[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Boh Yap]

hi Red1,

point taken, Adempiere is not 'yours', but I perceive you as its
symbolic head, and definitely someone that has major contribs. to
drive its success...

and yes, I'm still guessing ;-)

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:02 PM, red1  wrote:
>
> You are a devil alright and mostly right!
> One little point though is that please do not associate adempiere as
> mine, irrespective of my neckhold on it. I very much wants it to be a
> Malaysian pride and might. All your ideas can make it happen faster.
>
> I this week am at Park Royal attending the International Software
> Testing Qualification Board and met up with a very interesting contact
> that can turn the whole project worldwide around. Strange how Karma
> works, so i would leave it mysteriously at that :) (to leave the devil
> guessing)
>
> Boh Yap wrote:
>> hi all,
>>
>> yes, let's discuss on open lists, this is after all an 'open
>> community'. And Red1 has been honest and open in sharing his fetish in
>> this thread (see last few posts ;-)
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/#search/fetish/12445fea336919fc
>>
>> Also I agree with Red1, let's outgrow our 'kiasu' attitude! From my
>> experiance, this 'kiasu' atitude is not a monopoly of Malaysia or even
>> Singapore. This exists even for example, with China
>>
>> Red1, again I want to play devil's advocate,
>>
>> 1. you can't build a national IT policy on just ONE PRODUCT
>>     ALONE, ERP, altho it has wide applications (yes, any business
>>     entity would require an ERP, but you're missing many other
>> opportunities... read on)
>>
>> 2. I would also like to push the healthcare IT agenda, for MSC8, the
>>     following reasons:
>>     - Everybody needs healthcare, more so with our deteriorating
>>       health standards, and hence a very wide market.
>>
>>     - Healthcare is not a price sensitive market, when did you last
>>       bargain with yr doctor?, as opposed to someone bargaining for a
>>       cheaper ERP solution..
>>
>>     - There is a wide range of high-end services under the healthcare
>>       umbrella, hence investment/biz development opportunity..
>>       ie: Medical imaging, in today's Star Clinical Trials - all highly IT
>>       intensive.
>>
>>     - We have an opportunity to be world-class, especially in LHR
>>       (Lifelong Health Record) by leveraging(reviving?) our smartcard
>>       NRIC.
>>
>>     - and to correct a perception - healthcare is not ERP. Although
>>       there is some overlap, like in areas of inventory, asset
>>       management, logistics, the rest are not.
>>
>>     - Potential to provide world-class services, Healthcare has some
>>       very strong and complex standards, HL7, Snomed, LOINC, ...
>>       and experts and solutions for these earn big consultg bucks..
>>
>>     - Huge potential to do joint research with foreign Uni's, there are
>>       FOSS projects from anything like Medical Imaging (think, 3D
>>       games applied to medical), to LHR done by Uni like UCLA, MIT,
>>       Harvard Med School, Imperial College etc...
>>
>> PS http://www.mscmalaysia.my/topic/Enhanced+Health+Services
>>   If you go to the above URL, you'll see that MSC talks about Health
>>   Services and has a list of 'services' - LHR is one of them!
>>   But other than MyHealth, the rest is vapourware?
>>
>>   And my question of MyHealth: is this the only outcome of the $$M
>>   spent on the 'telemedicine flagship'?, its nothing more than a
>>   brochureware portal!
>>    Its forums are unmoderated, nobody seems to be answering,
>>    and its littered with MLM guys pushing bogus? healthcare
>>    products...
>>
>>
>> 3. Lets not also forget the 'sexy' (in politicians and investors mind)
>>     sectors like BioTech and GreenTech. (And these sectors have $$)
>>     Both these sectors require a lot of IT, and to leave this out of a
>>     MSC8 plan is just dumb. Here's why we shld work with these
>>     parties.
>>
>>    Biotech -
>>      relies heavilly on genetics engineering, and genetic sequencing
>>      and workg with genetic database would not be possible without
>>      IT.
>>      Also sophisticated Lab machinery depends heavilly on
>>      computer control snd programming, again requiring IT skills.
>>
>>    GreenTech -
>>       Also requires a lot of IT, for the initial CAD/CAM engineering
>>       design & fabrication (CNC (Computerised Numerial Control)
>>       machine tools, robotics, etc...)
>>       Also most GreenTech, be it Water Recycling, Wind Energy,
>>       etc... require a lot of automated controls, needing expertise in
>>       embedded systems design and programming... again another
>>       aspect of IT!
>>
>> 4. Education: always been my bitch and pitch...
>>      We HAVE TO revamp education, otherwise ALL of the above
>>      including ERP is a pipe dream! The original MSC failed largely
>>      because of education (can't produce the manpower, where are
>>      the 1,000 Java programmers, the 80 PHDs in data/radio
>>      comm.),

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[red1]

You are a devil alright and mostly right!
One little point though is that please do not associate adempiere as 
mine, irrespective of my neckhold on it. I very much wants it to be a 
Malaysian pride and might. All your ideas can make it happen faster.

I this week am at Park Royal attending the International Software 
Testing Qualification Board and met up with a very interesting contact 
that can turn the whole project worldwide around. Strange how Karma 
works, so i would leave it mysteriously at that :) (to leave the devil 
guessing)

Boh Yap wrote:
> hi all,
>
> yes, let's discuss on open lists, this is after all an 'open
> community'. And Red1 has been honest and open in sharing his fetish in
> this thread (see last few posts ;-)
> https://mail.google.com/mail/#search/fetish/12445fea336919fc
>
> Also I agree with Red1, let's outgrow our 'kiasu' attitude! From my
> experiance, this 'kiasu' atitude is not a monopoly of Malaysia or even
> Singapore. This exists even for example, with China
>
> Red1, again I want to play devil's advocate,
>
> 1. you can't build a national IT policy on just ONE PRODUCT
> ALONE, ERP, altho it has wide applications (yes, any business
> entity would require an ERP, but you're missing many other
> opportunities... read on)
>
> 2. I would also like to push the healthcare IT agenda, for MSC8, the
> following reasons:
> - Everybody needs healthcare, more so with our deteriorating
>   health standards, and hence a very wide market.
>
> - Healthcare is not a price sensitive market, when did you last
>   bargain with yr doctor?, as opposed to someone bargaining for a
>   cheaper ERP solution..
>
> - There is a wide range of high-end services under the healthcare
>   umbrella, hence investment/biz development opportunity..
>   ie: Medical imaging, in today's Star Clinical Trials - all highly IT
>   intensive.
>
> - We have an opportunity to be world-class, especially in LHR
>   (Lifelong Health Record) by leveraging(reviving?) our smartcard
>   NRIC.
>
> - and to correct a perception - healthcare is not ERP. Although
>   there is some overlap, like in areas of inventory, asset
>   management, logistics, the rest are not.
>
> - Potential to provide world-class services, Healthcare has some
>   very strong and complex standards, HL7, Snomed, LOINC, ...
>   and experts and solutions for these earn big consultg bucks..
>
> - Huge potential to do joint research with foreign Uni's, there are
>   FOSS projects from anything like Medical Imaging (think, 3D
>   games applied to medical), to LHR done by Uni like UCLA, MIT,
>   Harvard Med School, Imperial College etc...
>
> PS http://www.mscmalaysia.my/topic/Enhanced+Health+Services
>   If you go to the above URL, you'll see that MSC talks about Health
>   Services and has a list of 'services' - LHR is one of them!
>   But other than MyHealth, the rest is vapourware?
>
>   And my question of MyHealth: is this the only outcome of the $$M
>   spent on the 'telemedicine flagship'?, its nothing more than a
>   brochureware portal!
>Its forums are unmoderated, nobody seems to be answering,
>and its littered with MLM guys pushing bogus? healthcare
>products...
>
>
> 3. Lets not also forget the 'sexy' (in politicians and investors mind)
> sectors like BioTech and GreenTech. (And these sectors have $$)
> Both these sectors require a lot of IT, and to leave this out of a
> MSC8 plan is just dumb. Here's why we shld work with these
> parties.
>
>Biotech -
>  relies heavilly on genetics engineering, and genetic sequencing
>  and workg with genetic database would not be possible without
>  IT.
>  Also sophisticated Lab machinery depends heavilly on
>  computer control snd programming, again requiring IT skills.
>
>GreenTech -
>   Also requires a lot of IT, for the initial CAD/CAM engineering
>   design & fabrication (CNC (Computerised Numerial Control)
>   machine tools, robotics, etc...)
>   Also most GreenTech, be it Water Recycling, Wind Energy,
>   etc... require a lot of automated controls, needing expertise in
>   embedded systems design and programming... again another
>   aspect of IT!
>
> 4. Education: always been my bitch and pitch...
>  We HAVE TO revamp education, otherwise ALL of the above
>  including ERP is a pipe dream! The original MSC failed largely
>  because of education (can't produce the manpower, where are
>  the 1,000 Java programmers, the 80 PHDs in data/radio
>  comm.), and MSC8 too will fail if edu doesn't change.
>
>  Yes Red1, I know your plans include a Adempiere Research
>  Center, that is well and good, but if basic technical skills is
>  not part of the core curriculum we still have a problem, eventho
>  you have have 100's ERP consultants... these will be just
>  business processes people.

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Boh Yap]

hi all,

yes, let's discuss on open lists, this is after all an 'open
community'. And Red1 has been honest and open in sharing his fetish in
this thread (see last few posts ;-)
https://mail.google.com/mail/#search/fetish/12445fea336919fc

Also I agree with Red1, let's outgrow our 'kiasu' attitude! From my
experiance, this 'kiasu' atitude is not a monopoly of Malaysia or even
Singapore. This exists even for example, with China

Red1, again I want to play devil's advocate,

1. you can't build a national IT policy on just ONE PRODUCT
ALONE, ERP, altho it has wide applications (yes, any business
entity would require an ERP, but you're missing many other
opportunities... read on)

2. I would also like to push the healthcare IT agenda, for MSC8, the
following reasons:
- Everybody needs healthcare, more so with our deteriorating
  health standards, and hence a very wide market.

- Healthcare is not a price sensitive market, when did you last
  bargain with yr doctor?, as opposed to someone bargaining for a
  cheaper ERP solution..

- There is a wide range of high-end services under the healthcare
  umbrella, hence investment/biz development opportunity..
  ie: Medical imaging, in today's Star Clinical Trials - all highly IT
  intensive.

- We have an opportunity to be world-class, especially in LHR
  (Lifelong Health Record) by leveraging(reviving?) our smartcard
  NRIC.

- and to correct a perception - healthcare is not ERP. Although
  there is some overlap, like in areas of inventory, asset
  management, logistics, the rest are not.

- Potential to provide world-class services, Healthcare has some
  very strong and complex standards, HL7, Snomed, LOINC, ...
  and experts and solutions for these earn big consultg bucks..

- Huge potential to do joint research with foreign Uni's, there are
  FOSS projects from anything like Medical Imaging (think, 3D
  games applied to medical), to LHR done by Uni like UCLA, MIT,
  Harvard Med School, Imperial College etc...

PS http://www.mscmalaysia.my/topic/Enhanced+Health+Services
  If you go to the above URL, you'll see that MSC talks about Health
  Services and has a list of 'services' - LHR is one of them!
  But other than MyHealth, the rest is vapourware?

  And my question of MyHealth: is this the only outcome of the $$M
  spent on the 'telemedicine flagship'?, its nothing more than a
  brochureware portal!
   Its forums are unmoderated, nobody seems to be answering,
   and its littered with MLM guys pushing bogus? healthcare
   products...


3. Lets not also forget the 'sexy' (in politicians and investors mind)
sectors like BioTech and GreenTech. (And these sectors have $$)
Both these sectors require a lot of IT, and to leave this out of a
MSC8 plan is just dumb. Here's why we shld work with these
parties.

   Biotech -
 relies heavilly on genetics engineering, and genetic sequencing
 and workg with genetic database would not be possible without
 IT.
 Also sophisticated Lab machinery depends heavilly on
 computer control snd programming, again requiring IT skills.

   GreenTech -
  Also requires a lot of IT, for the initial CAD/CAM engineering
  design & fabrication (CNC (Computerised Numerial Control)
  machine tools, robotics, etc...)
  Also most GreenTech, be it Water Recycling, Wind Energy,
  etc... require a lot of automated controls, needing expertise in
  embedded systems design and programming... again another
  aspect of IT!

4. Education: always been my bitch and pitch...
 We HAVE TO revamp education, otherwise ALL of the above
 including ERP is a pipe dream! The original MSC failed largely
 because of education (can't produce the manpower, where are
 the 1,000 Java programmers, the 80 PHDs in data/radio
 comm.), and MSC8 too will fail if edu doesn't change.

 Yes Red1, I know your plans include a Adempiere Research
 Center, that is well and good, but if basic technical skills is
 not part of the core curriculum we still have a problem, eventho
 you have have 100's ERP consultants... these will be just
 business processes people.

5. Need to create a Hacker Culture
By this I mean we gotta change public perception of what a
hacker (and here I mean a good programmer, not a malicious
criminal that works with computers) is. That a 'hacker' is a
honourable and well paying job. Its as prestigous as a lawyer or
engineer.. . and parents would encourage their kids to be
programmers, instead of just lawyers and doctors...

How? Perhaps Rafe's idea of a widely publicised programming
competition is a good start. Perhaps there should be regular an
inter-school coding, website-design, security hacking
competition...

Perhaps a local production company will produce a short series
on hackers... c'mon lets come out w

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Its never wrong or right to share ideas to public. Its all depend on
people perspective.

We need to compile all our proposal into one single big and thick
proposal and then
past it to any athority that we want to work with. Linuxvarsiti,
Penguin Masuk Kampung,
OSDC.my Conference, Adempire Excellence center and many more.

We work as one then I believe they will look at us and listen.

Lets stop "bullshiting" any party. We do have friends, but to help
them and make our points
we need to show that we are strong...

(apa yang aku merepek ni)

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:57 AM, red1  wrote:
>
> Sorry i took you wrong (i admit) because you asked in public list. You
> should ask in private email to me :)
> Anyway thanks for your understanding. I did ask Hadi/Hafiz who are new
> aquantances from UKM to meet me in private (ex-siswazah now handling
> some business there who are interested in ICONity and have written to me
> in private emails describing their ideas and challenges.
>
> Private meetings are ok for distinct reasons to listen to them and find
> out how they can join our big picture and struggle. They also belanja me
> one small coffee of the day. I teach them how to order (hehe, there is
> always first time) and they pay.
>
> But one principle i followed is from www.cluetrain.com is to keep things
> open. That is why i encourage them to write openly and gather moss. Of
> course when i saw your reply here i felt upset and feel that this may
> scare back our ppl. U know how kiasu we guys/gals are, sometimes.
>
> By learning to write and smash each other, we learn. Just like what i am
> learning from you here. I learnt to be less bitchy and more pitchy! :)
>
> Kind regards
> red1
>
> Nasrul Amri Samsudin wrote:
>>
>> Just asking red1,  don't take me wrong. If I think you spamming, I
>> will set rule in gmail to put in trash rather than ask admin to remove
>> it. yet,  I still receive ur email.
>> Take it easy sifuu.
>>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[red1]

Sorry i took you wrong (i admit) because you asked in public list. You 
should ask in private email to me :)
Anyway thanks for your understanding. I did ask Hadi/Hafiz who are new 
aquantances from UKM to meet me in private (ex-siswazah now handling 
some business there who are interested in ICONity and have written to me 
in private emails describing their ideas and challenges.

Private meetings are ok for distinct reasons to listen to them and find 
out how they can join our big picture and struggle. They also belanja me 
one small coffee of the day. I teach them how to order (hehe, there is 
always first time) and they pay.

But one principle i followed is from www.cluetrain.com is to keep things 
open. That is why i encourage them to write openly and gather moss. Of 
course when i saw your reply here i felt upset and feel that this may 
scare back our ppl. U know how kiasu we guys/gals are, sometimes.

By learning to write and smash each other, we learn. Just like what i am 
learning from you here. I learnt to be less bitchy and more pitchy! :)

Kind regards
red1

Nasrul Amri Samsudin wrote:
>
> Just asking red1,  don't take me wrong. If I think you spamming, I 
> will set rule in gmail to put in trash rather than ask admin to remove 
> it. yet,  I still receive ur email.
> Take it easy sifuu.
>
 

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[red1]

Haris,
I am not discussing. I am promoting. 
(local lingo > i m not bitching, i am pitching)

kind regards,
red1

Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:

  Red1,

Kita buat list kita sendiri membincang isu berat sebegini mcm mana?
Sekali sekala kita update ke list ni. Banyak sebenarnya saya nak tulis
dan balas balik tapi dah nature saya bila list ni ramai orang saya
berbahasa dan kawal diri. Susah lak rasanya.

Jika kita ada list sendiri. Much more free. Later on siapa yang minat
boleh review our archive. Hendak gunakan IRC payah sebab we not always
can online.

If you ok saya create aje terus dengan google or yahoogroup...

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Nasrul Amri Samsudin
 wrote:
  
  
Just asking red1,  don't take me wrong. If I think you spamming, I will set
rule in gmail to put in trash rather than ask admin to remove it. yet,  I
still receive ur email.
Take it easy sifuu.

Sent using Android

On Nov 15, 2009 10:06 AM, "red1"  wrote:


Thank you for your own opinion, but i do have mine. My answer is i think
we need to use the society's maillist, social engineering, use the web,
kick ass, bla-bla to propagate true support for our cause from members.
So far it is working, i got my target groups of siswazah contacting me,
unless you got better ideas? And also i m not forcing - the admin can
delist me if you find this distasteful or spam. I will just rely on the
more closed facebook :).

Kind regards,
red1

Nasrul Amri Samsudin wrote: > > Hi red1, don't you think it's better to sent
private email to hadi...

  
  

 

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Red1,

Kita buat list kita sendiri membincang isu berat sebegini mcm mana?
Sekali sekala kita update ke list ni. Banyak sebenarnya saya nak tulis
dan balas balik tapi dah nature saya bila list ni ramai orang saya
berbahasa dan kawal diri. Susah lak rasanya.

Jika kita ada list sendiri. Much more free. Later on siapa yang minat
boleh review our archive. Hendak gunakan IRC payah sebab we not always
can online.

If you ok saya create aje terus dengan google or yahoogroup...

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Nasrul Amri Samsudin
 wrote:
> Just asking red1,  don't take me wrong. If I think you spamming, I will set
> rule in gmail to put in trash rather than ask admin to remove it. yet,  I
> still receive ur email.
> Take it easy sifuu.
>
> Sent using Android
>
> On Nov 15, 2009 10:06 AM, "red1"  wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for your own opinion, but i do have mine. My answer is i think
> we need to use the society's maillist, social engineering, use the web,
> kick ass, bla-bla to propagate true support for our cause from members.
> So far it is working, i got my target groups of siswazah contacting me,
> unless you got better ideas? And also i m not forcing - the admin can
> delist me if you find this distasteful or spam. I will just rely on the
> more closed facebook :).
>
> Kind regards,
> red1
>
> Nasrul Amri Samsudin wrote: > > Hi red1, don't you think it's better to sent
> private email to hadi...

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Nasrul Amri Samsudin]

Just asking red1,  don't take me wrong. If I think you spamming, I will set
rule in gmail to put in trash rather than ask admin to remove it. yet,  I
still receive ur email.
Take it easy sifuu.

Sent using Android

On Nov 15, 2009 10:06 AM, "red1"  wrote:


Thank you for your own opinion, but i do have mine. My answer is i think
we need to use the society's maillist, social engineering, use the web,
kick ass, bla-bla to propagate true support for our cause from members.
So far it is working, i got my target groups of siswazah contacting me,
unless you got better ideas? And also i m not forcing - the admin can
delist me if you find this distasteful or spam. I will just rely on the
more closed facebook :).

Kind regards,
red1

Nasrul Amri Samsudin wrote: > > Hi red1, don't you think it's better to sent
private email to hadi...

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[red1]

Thank you for your own opinion, but i do have mine. My answer is i think 
we need to use the society's maillist, social engineering, use the web, 
kick ass, bla-bla to propagate true support for our cause from members. 
So far it is working, i got my target groups of siswazah contacting me, 
unless you got better ideas? And also i m not forcing - the admin can 
delist me if you find this distasteful or spam. I will just rely on the 
more closed facebook :).

Kind regards,
red1

Nasrul Amri Samsudin wrote:
>
> Hi red1,  don't you think it's better to sent private email to hadi n 
> hafiz instead of public? Because other would like or doesn't wanton to 
> know at all.
>
> Regards,
>
 

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Nasrul Amri Samsudin]

Hi red1,  don't you think it's better to sent private email to hadi n hafiz
instead of public? Because other would like or doesn't wanton to know at
all.

Regards,

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On Nov 15, 2009 8:18 AM, "red1"  wrote:


HusnulHadi, Hafiz
Thanks to both of you coming from UKM Bangi to spend time in Starbucks
The Curve last week with Yun also to brainstorm about what we can focus
and work on. Yes we may not have the right resources, but it is
resourcefulness that we have.
Memberi sesuatu kepada orang lain lebih baik dari menerimanya. Dengan
memberi kepada teman-teman kat varsiti seluruh negara boleh membawa satu
evolusi perubahan bahawa menerusi sumber terbuka kita kini sudah merdeka.

Hadi Kamarudin wrote:
> Yah, sure to use all the resources! =D
>
> sy akn brpulun d ukm n apply mak bpk grant gk hahaa, tq sifu! hait!
>
> On 12 Nov, 09:41, red1  wrote:
>
>> Kini kertas kerja hambo sudah hampiak siap. Namun sudah boleh kasi
panas-panas ke sesiapa makhluk bukan asing di luar sini supaya disuahakan
secara berkelompok.http://red1.org/MSC8.pdfhttp://red1.org/MSC8.zip
>> Sesiapa yang ingin mengambil bahagian menjayakan di universiti masing2 -
komisen dua puluh persenn!! (take part as Business Development Head or i
trained as Centre Head of respective university)
>> This can also be a paper for apa-apa mak bapak grant to the govt. Please
go ahead and exploit this. It is declared under Creative Commons 3.5 ala
GPLv3.
>> red1On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, red1wrote:After a
short struggle this year long, i can now smile that at least few people can
now come up to me and say, "Mr. Redhuan. I finally am enlightened of what
the hell you been screaming about. FOSS is not about the code. It is about
branding in a blue ocean." Inspired by such new taliban, I spent these 2
days writing up a simple plan for us to consider as Malaysia's Gift to the
world.http://www.red1.org/MSC8.pdfIt is exported from AppleMac Keynote
(manyak dasyot the animation, so if you really wana see the movie, belanja
me free teh tarik). So please discuss or vote for acceptance and make it our
key flagship. Whether it become reality or not we leave to Allah. Our tugas
is done. WARNING: If you do not vote or counter then your tugas to
Allah/Karma/Tao/Money is not done. In a few years its 2012, possibly a
magnetic pole shift, sending chaos and 90% world population to alam lain.
Mana tahu, Malaysia is the next superpower to continue in the new alam. :)
red1
>>
>>
>>
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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[red1]

HusnulHadi, Hafiz
Thanks to both of you coming from UKM Bangi to spend time in Starbucks 
The Curve last week with Yun also to brainstorm about what we can focus 
and work on. Yes we may not have the right resources, but it is 
resourcefulness that we have.
Memberi sesuatu kepada orang lain lebih baik dari menerimanya. Dengan 
memberi kepada teman-teman kat varsiti seluruh negara boleh membawa satu 
evolusi perubahan bahawa menerusi sumber terbuka kita kini sudah merdeka.

Hadi Kamarudin wrote:
> Yah, sure to use all the resources! =D
>
> sy akn brpulun d ukm n apply mak bpk grant gk hahaa, tq sifu! hait!
>
> On 12 Nov, 09:41, red1  wrote:
>   
>> Kini kertas kerja hambo sudah hampiak siap. Namun sudah boleh kasi 
>> panas-panas ke sesiapa makhluk bukan asing di luar sini supaya disuahakan 
>> secara berkelompok.http://red1.org/MSC8.pdfhttp://red1.org/MSC8.zip
>> Sesiapa yang ingin mengambil bahagian menjayakan di universiti masing2 - 
>> komisen dua puluh persenn!! (take part as Business Development Head or i 
>> trained as Centre Head of respective university)
>> This can also be a paper for apa-apa mak bapak grant to the govt. Please go 
>> ahead and exploit this. It is declared under Creative Commons 3.5 ala GPLv3.
>> red1On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, red1wrote:After a short 
>> struggle this year long, i can now smile that at least few people can now 
>> come up to me and say, "Mr. Redhuan. I finally am enlightened of what the 
>> hell you been screaming about. FOSS is not about the code. It is about 
>> branding in a blue ocean." Inspired by such new taliban, I spent these 2 
>> days writing up a simple plan for us to consider as Malaysia's Gift to the 
>> world.http://www.red1.org/MSC8.pdfIt is exported from AppleMac Keynote 
>> (manyak dasyot the animation, so if you really wana see the movie, belanja 
>> me free teh tarik). So please discuss or vote for acceptance and make it our 
>> key flagship. Whether it become reality or not we leave to Allah. Our tugas 
>> is done. WARNING: If you do not vote or counter then your tugas to 
>> Allah/Karma/Tao/Money is not done. In a few years its 2012, possibly a 
>> magnetic pole shift, sending chaos and 90% world population to alam lain. 
>> Mana tahu, Malaysia is the next superpower to continue in the new alam. :) 
>> red1
>>
>>
>>  
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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Hadi Kamarudin]

Yah, sure to use all the resources! =D

sy akn brpulun d ukm n apply mak bpk grant gk hahaa, tq sifu! hait!

On 12 Nov, 09:41, red1  wrote:
> Kini kertas kerja hambo sudah hampiak siap. Namun sudah boleh kasi 
> panas-panas ke sesiapa makhluk bukan asing di luar sini supaya disuahakan 
> secara berkelompok.http://red1.org/MSC8.pdfhttp://red1.org/MSC8.zip
> Sesiapa yang ingin mengambil bahagian menjayakan di universiti masing2 - 
> komisen dua puluh persenn!! (take part as Business Development Head or i 
> trained as Centre Head of respective university)
> This can also be a paper for apa-apa mak bapak grant to the govt. Please go 
> ahead and exploit this. It is declared under Creative Commons 3.5 ala GPLv3.
> red1On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, red1wrote:After a short 
> struggle this year long, i can now smile that at least few people can now 
> come up to me and say, "Mr. Redhuan. I finally am enlightened of what the 
> hell you been screaming about. FOSS is not about the code. It is about 
> branding in a blue ocean." Inspired by such new taliban, I spent these 2 days 
> writing up a simple plan for us to consider as Malaysia's Gift to the 
> world.http://www.red1.org/MSC8.pdfIt is exported from AppleMac Keynote 
> (manyak dasyot the animation, so if you really wana see the movie, belanja me 
> free teh tarik). So please discuss or vote for acceptance and make it our key 
> flagship. Whether it become reality or not we leave to Allah. Our tugas is 
> done. WARNING: If you do not vote or counter then your tugas to 
> Allah/Karma/Tao/Money is not done. In a few years its 2012, possibly a 
> magnetic pole shift, sending chaos and 90% world population to alam lain. 
> Mana tahu, Malaysia is the next superpower to continue in the new alam. :) 
> red1
>
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[red1]

Kini kertas kerja hambo sudah hampiak siap. Namun sudah boleh kasi
panas-panas ke sesiapa makhluk bukan asing di luar sini supaya
disuahakan secara berkelompok. http://red1.org/MSC8.pdf
http://red1.org/MSC8.zip

Sesiapa yang ingin mengambil bahagian menjayakan di universiti masing2
- komisen dua puluh persenn!! (take part as Business Development Head
or i trained as Centre Head of respective university)

This can also be a paper for apa-apa mak bapak grant to the govt.
Please go ahead and exploit this. It is declared under Creative Commons
3.5 ala GPLv3.

red1

  
  




  
  
  
  

  

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, red1  wrote:

  
After a short struggle this year long, i can now smile that at least few
people can now come up to me and say,

"Mr. Redhuan. I finally am enlightened of what the hell you been
screaming about. FOSS is not about the code. It is about branding in a
blue ocean."

Inspired by such new taliban, I spent these 2 days writing up a simple
plan for us to consider as Malaysia's Gift to the world.
http://www.red1.org/MSC8.pdf

It is exported from AppleMac Keynote (manyak dasyot the animation, so if
you really wana see the movie, belanja me free teh tarik).

So please discuss or vote for acceptance and make it our key flagship.
Whether it become reality or not we leave to Allah. Our tugas is done.

WARNING: If you do not vote or counter then your tugas to
Allah/Karma/Tao/Money is not done. In a few years its 2012, possibly a
magnetic pole shift, sending chaos and 90% world population to alam
lain. Mana tahu, Malaysia is the next superpower to continue in the new
alam. :)

red1


  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  







  
  
  
  
  
  



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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

nampaknya "apt-get install adempiere" dah nak jadi kenyataan :)

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
wrote:

> zam has posted a blog of his experience on installing adempiere on centos
>
> http://software.krimnet.com/open-source/how-to-install-adempiere-linux-centos-5.htm
>
> what we need is to reduce all those lines into :
>
> yum install adempiere
>
> or
>
> apt-get install adempiere
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Azrul Hasni MADISA 
> wrote:
>
>> I was quite intimate with UNIX in the late nineties and later Linux.
>> People say the same thing about "real" OS. That "real" OS is complex and
>> downplaying that complexity will lead you to DM!! (followed by an evil
>> laugh MUHAHAHA!!!) . And yet, Mark Shuttleworth proves that it does  not
>> have to be all complex all the time. In some use cases, it shoud/can be
>> simple for some use cases.
>>
>> And thus, advance R&D need to be done on what can be simplified, what can
>> not. How to simplify. Is simplicity really safe etc. etc. and thus the
>> justification for the Center
>>
>>
>> Azrul Sensei
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ERP itself is never  "simplicity" as in a next->next->next->wizard setup.
>>> "ERP for the rest of us" is just downplaying the complexity of what it
>>> really is.
>>> Making it easy will just end up having it pre-configured with a lot of
>>> settings that would not be usable for the next client. As for license
>>> pricing and services,
>>> yeah that one should be as simple as possible.
>>>
>>> marcus.
>>>
>>>
>>> Boh Yap wrote:
>>>
>>> hi Red1
>>>
>>> I've always supported you, and I've also been yr devil's advocate.
>>>
>>> I agree with Azrul, its 'simplicity' that sells. Adempiere as it is
>>> now is too complex, granted that ERP is complex, but Mat Din Sdn Bhd
>>> just needs soemthng that works without having to spend 3 mths training
>>> and 6 mths implementation.
>>>
>>> I one-click install CD is required, and due to the very wide usage of
>>> ERP, perhaps that install CD should prompt the user with a few
>>> questions - then create the config that he needs. Perhaps we can use a
>>> few 'templates' for different industry and/or business types/profiles.
>>> ie: templates for:
>>>
>>> 1. single outlet retail shop - your regular mom-pop grecery store with a POS
>>> 2. multi-outlet retail shop with centralised/distributed store.
>>> 3. manufacturer, that needs te usual pls supply-chain, MRP
>>> 4. export manf. that needs all of above + foreign currency accounting
>>> 5. some gov organisation
>>> 
>>> and the list goes on.
>>>
>>> Notice what is needed is:
>>>
>>> - Market knowledge - which of the above profiles are most in demand
>>>   (or most profitable - in terms of revenue, startgic importance etc...)
>>>
>>> - Domain knowledge - someone who knows enough about each of those
>>> insdustry from the biz. perspective.
>>>
>>> - Technical knowhow - to develop/code the 'smart configurator'.
>>>   Or maybe make these into plugin modules so different ppl can
>>> contribute 'configurators' for different business types, perhaps even
>>> 'sell, make money' from licensing these!!
>>>
>>> Now bundle Adempiere, together with a bunch of 'smart configurators'
>>> on a CD and I'm sure it'll be a success. Also copy Canonical, by
>>> sending a CD to anyone who emails in for one
>>>
>>> Also may set up a "Configurator App Store" like an iPhone store, and
>>> let others contribute and sell... of course there will be offers for
>>> paid consultancy etc
>>>
>>> (my take on OSS is like IKEA furniture, it comes in a flat box with
>>> "some assembly required", you have to fiddle with it to assemble it.
>>> If you can't or are too lazy to read the instructions and do it
>>> yourself, then you can pay someone to do it for you, but unfortunately
>>> Msian's are too lazy and too ignorant... don't understand the concept
>>> of RTFM, for OSS... no?)
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 Questions to yr proposal...
>>>
>>> 1. Why restrict it to ERP?
>>> If anything, healthcare is even more important! As per my presentation
>>>
>>> "FOSS + Healthcare = lives" ... its about saving lives.
>>>
>>> And we as Masians have a shot at this... I'll tell you why when we 
>>> meet...
>>>
>>> And from a politcal and social responsibility POV, has a better chance 
>>> of
>>> getting funding.
>>>
>>> 2. Can't really claim Adempiere as a Msian product right?
>>> How many Msian developers in there? ...;-)
>>> ...hence M'sian gift to the world?
>>> (maybe need another branding, like Ubuntu & Linux? - MyDempiere &
>>> Adempiere ;-)
>>>
>>> As I've always said and Azrul has pointed out, Msia needs more
>>> technical ppl,
>>> hard-core coders, who can develop real kick-ass applications.
>>> But sadly, few wanna be coders... even in the MyGOSSCON BOF,
>>> not many attended the 'real technical' BOF sessions! by us Python guys 
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> (or because they were not into

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

zam has posted a blog of his experience on installing adempiere on centos
http://software.krimnet.com/open-source/how-to-install-adempiere-linux-centos-5.htm

what we need is to reduce all those lines into :

yum install adempiere

or

apt-get install adempiere





On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Azrul Hasni MADISA wrote:

> I was quite intimate with UNIX in the late nineties and later Linux. People
> say the same thing about "real" OS. That "real" OS is complex and
> downplaying that complexity will lead you to DM!! (followed by an evil
> laugh MUHAHAHA!!!) . And yet, Mark Shuttleworth proves that it does  not
> have to be all complex all the time. In some use cases, it shoud/can be
> simple for some use cases.
>
> And thus, advance R&D need to be done on what can be simplified, what can
> not. How to simplify. Is simplicity really safe etc. etc. and thus the
> justification for the Center
>
>
> Azrul Sensei
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>
>>
>> ERP itself is never  "simplicity" as in a next->next->next->wizard setup.
>> "ERP for the rest of us" is just downplaying the complexity of what it
>> really is.
>> Making it easy will just end up having it pre-configured with a lot of
>> settings that would not be usable for the next client. As for license
>> pricing and services,
>> yeah that one should be as simple as possible.
>>
>> marcus.
>>
>>
>> Boh Yap wrote:
>>
>> hi Red1
>>
>> I've always supported you, and I've also been yr devil's advocate.
>>
>> I agree with Azrul, its 'simplicity' that sells. Adempiere as it is
>> now is too complex, granted that ERP is complex, but Mat Din Sdn Bhd
>> just needs soemthng that works without having to spend 3 mths training
>> and 6 mths implementation.
>>
>> I one-click install CD is required, and due to the very wide usage of
>> ERP, perhaps that install CD should prompt the user with a few
>> questions - then create the config that he needs. Perhaps we can use a
>> few 'templates' for different industry and/or business types/profiles.
>> ie: templates for:
>>
>> 1. single outlet retail shop - your regular mom-pop grecery store with a POS
>> 2. multi-outlet retail shop with centralised/distributed store.
>> 3. manufacturer, that needs te usual pls supply-chain, MRP
>> 4. export manf. that needs all of above + foreign currency accounting
>> 5. some gov organisation
>> 
>> and the list goes on.
>>
>> Notice what is needed is:
>>
>> - Market knowledge - which of the above profiles are most in demand
>>   (or most profitable - in terms of revenue, startgic importance etc...)
>>
>> - Domain knowledge - someone who knows enough about each of those
>> insdustry from the biz. perspective.
>>
>> - Technical knowhow - to develop/code the 'smart configurator'.
>>   Or maybe make these into plugin modules so different ppl can
>> contribute 'configurators' for different business types, perhaps even
>> 'sell, make money' from licensing these!!
>>
>> Now bundle Adempiere, together with a bunch of 'smart configurators'
>> on a CD and I'm sure it'll be a success. Also copy Canonical, by
>> sending a CD to anyone who emails in for one
>>
>> Also may set up a "Configurator App Store" like an iPhone store, and
>> let others contribute and sell... of course there will be offers for
>> paid consultancy etc
>>
>> (my take on OSS is like IKEA furniture, it comes in a flat box with
>> "some assembly required", you have to fiddle with it to assemble it.
>> If you can't or are too lazy to read the instructions and do it
>> yourself, then you can pay someone to do it for you, but unfortunately
>> Msian's are too lazy and too ignorant... don't understand the concept
>> of RTFM, for OSS... no?)
>>
>>
>> 2 Questions to yr proposal...
>>
>> 1. Why restrict it to ERP?
>> If anything, healthcare is even more important! As per my presentation
>>
>> "FOSS + Healthcare = lives" ... its about saving lives.
>>
>> And we as Masians have a shot at this... I'll tell you why when we 
>> meet...
>>
>> And from a politcal and social responsibility POV, has a better chance of
>> getting funding.
>>
>> 2. Can't really claim Adempiere as a Msian product right?
>> How many Msian developers in there? ...;-)
>> ...hence M'sian gift to the world?
>> (maybe need another branding, like Ubuntu & Linux? - MyDempiere &
>> Adempiere ;-)
>>
>> As I've always said and Azrul has pointed out, Msia needs more
>> technical ppl,
>> hard-core coders, who can develop real kick-ass applications.
>> But sadly, few wanna be coders... even in the MyGOSSCON BOF,
>> not many attended the 'real technical' BOF sessions! by us Python guys 
>> ;-)
>>
>> (or because they were not into Python and are PHP, Java... c'mon get over
>> the language issues, its the core concepts, that count.)
>>
>> And I'll definitely say, its not easy being a programmer, you need
>> a fair level
>> of intelligence, hard-work and creativity. Oh, I think M'sians

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Azrul Hasni MADISA]

I was quite intimate with UNIX in the late nineties and later Linux. People
say the same thing about "real" OS. That "real" OS is complex and
downplaying that complexity will lead you to DM!! (followed by an evil
laugh MUHAHAHA!!!) . And yet, Mark Shuttleworth proves that it does  not
have to be all complex all the time. In some use cases, it shoud/can be
simple for some use cases.

And thus, advance R&D need to be done on what can be simplified, what can
not. How to simplify. Is simplicity really safe etc. etc. and thus the
justification for the Center


Azrul Sensei

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Marcus  wrote:

>
> ERP itself is never  "simplicity" as in a next->next->next->wizard setup.
> "ERP for the rest of us" is just downplaying the complexity of what it
> really is.
> Making it easy will just end up having it pre-configured with a lot of
> settings that would not be usable for the next client. As for license
> pricing and services,
> yeah that one should be as simple as possible.
>
> marcus.
>
>
> Boh Yap wrote:
>
> hi Red1
>
> I've always supported you, and I've also been yr devil's advocate.
>
> I agree with Azrul, its 'simplicity' that sells. Adempiere as it is
> now is too complex, granted that ERP is complex, but Mat Din Sdn Bhd
> just needs soemthng that works without having to spend 3 mths training
> and 6 mths implementation.
>
> I one-click install CD is required, and due to the very wide usage of
> ERP, perhaps that install CD should prompt the user with a few
> questions - then create the config that he needs. Perhaps we can use a
> few 'templates' for different industry and/or business types/profiles.
> ie: templates for:
>
> 1. single outlet retail shop - your regular mom-pop grecery store with a POS
> 2. multi-outlet retail shop with centralised/distributed store.
> 3. manufacturer, that needs te usual pls supply-chain, MRP
> 4. export manf. that needs all of above + foreign currency accounting
> 5. some gov organisation
> 
> and the list goes on.
>
> Notice what is needed is:
>
> - Market knowledge - which of the above profiles are most in demand
>   (or most profitable - in terms of revenue, startgic importance etc...)
>
> - Domain knowledge - someone who knows enough about each of those
> insdustry from the biz. perspective.
>
> - Technical knowhow - to develop/code the 'smart configurator'.
>   Or maybe make these into plugin modules so different ppl can
> contribute 'configurators' for different business types, perhaps even
> 'sell, make money' from licensing these!!
>
> Now bundle Adempiere, together with a bunch of 'smart configurators'
> on a CD and I'm sure it'll be a success. Also copy Canonical, by
> sending a CD to anyone who emails in for one
>
> Also may set up a "Configurator App Store" like an iPhone store, and
> let others contribute and sell... of course there will be offers for
> paid consultancy etc
>
> (my take on OSS is like IKEA furniture, it comes in a flat box with
> "some assembly required", you have to fiddle with it to assemble it.
> If you can't or are too lazy to read the instructions and do it
> yourself, then you can pay someone to do it for you, but unfortunately
> Msian's are too lazy and too ignorant... don't understand the concept
> of RTFM, for OSS... no?)
>
>
> 2 Questions to yr proposal...
>
> 1. Why restrict it to ERP?
> If anything, healthcare is even more important! As per my presentation
>
> "FOSS + Healthcare = lives" ... its about saving lives.
>
> And we as Masians have a shot at this... I'll tell you why when we meet...
>
> And from a politcal and social responsibility POV, has a better chance of
> getting funding.
>
> 2. Can't really claim Adempiere as a Msian product right?
> How many Msian developers in there? ...;-)
> ...hence M'sian gift to the world?
> (maybe need another branding, like Ubuntu & Linux? - MyDempiere &
> Adempiere ;-)
>
> As I've always said and Azrul has pointed out, Msia needs more
> technical ppl,
> hard-core coders, who can develop real kick-ass applications.
> But sadly, few wanna be coders... even in the MyGOSSCON BOF,
> not many attended the 'real technical' BOF sessions! by us Python guys ;-)
>
> (or because they were not into Python and are PHP, Java... c'mon get over
> the language issues, its the core concepts, that count.)
>
> And I'll definitely say, its not easy being a programmer, you need
> a fair level
> of intelligence, hard-work and creativity. Oh, I think M'sians are
> smart enough,
> at least to avoid being a programmer! (sic)
>
> And so long as this situation remains, we'll be 2nd class citizens
> in the internet world, we are only consumers, we'll never be creators
> of technology. And those of us who are in the programming craft, as
> Azrul sez, will eventually find work outside of M'sia, (although, with
> the internet, we don't have to leave, but may continue to live here...
> ;-)
>
> (this has alway

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Marcus]

ERP itself is never  "simplicity" as in a
next->next->next->wizard setup. "ERP for the rest of us" is
just downplaying the complexity of what it really is. 
Making it easy will just end up having it pre-configured with a lot of
settings that would not be usable for the next client. As for license
pricing and services,
yeah that one should be as simple as possible. 

marcus. 


Boh Yap wrote:

  hi Red1

I've always supported you, and I've also been yr devil's advocate.

I agree with Azrul, its 'simplicity' that sells. Adempiere as it is
now is too complex, granted that ERP is complex, but Mat Din Sdn Bhd
just needs soemthng that works without having to spend 3 mths training
and 6 mths implementation.

I one-click install CD is required, and due to the very wide usage of
ERP, perhaps that install CD should prompt the user with a few
questions - then create the config that he needs. Perhaps we can use a
few 'templates' for different industry and/or business types/profiles.
ie: templates for:

1. single outlet retail shop - your regular mom-pop grecery store with a POS
2. multi-outlet retail shop with centralised/distributed store.
3. manufacturer, that needs te usual pls supply-chain, MRP
4. export manf. that needs all of above + foreign currency accounting
5. some gov organisation

and the list goes on.

Notice what is needed is:

- Market knowledge - which of the above profiles are most in demand
  (or most profitable - in terms of revenue, startgic importance etc...)

- Domain knowledge - someone who knows enough about each of those
insdustry from the biz. perspective.

- Technical knowhow - to develop/code the 'smart configurator'.
  Or maybe make these into plugin modules so different ppl can
contribute 'configurators' for different business types, perhaps even
'sell, make money' from licensing these!!

Now bundle Adempiere, together with a bunch of 'smart configurators'
on a CD and I'm sure it'll be a success. Also copy Canonical, by
sending a CD to anyone who emails in for one

Also may set up a "Configurator App Store" like an iPhone store, and
let others contribute and sell... of course there will be offers for
paid consultancy etc

(my take on OSS is like IKEA furniture, it comes in a flat box with
"some assembly required", you have to fiddle with it to assemble it.
If you can't or are too lazy to read the instructions and do it
yourself, then you can pay someone to do it for you, but unfortunately
Msian's are too lazy and too ignorant... don't understand the concept
of RTFM, for OSS... no?)


2 Questions to yr proposal...

1. Why restrict it to ERP?
If anything, healthcare is even more important! As per my presentation

"FOSS + Healthcare = lives" ... its about saving lives.

And we as Masians have a shot at this... I'll tell you why when we meet...

And from a politcal and social responsibility POV, has a better chance of
getting funding.

2. Can't really claim Adempiere as a Msian product right?
How many Msian developers in there? ...;-)
...hence M'sian gift to the world?
(maybe need another branding, like Ubuntu & Linux? - MyDempiere &
Adempiere ;-)

As I've always said and Azrul has pointed out, Msia needs more
technical ppl,
hard-core coders, who can develop real kick-ass applications.
But sadly, few wanna be coders... even in the MyGOSSCON BOF,
not many attended the 'real technical' BOF sessions! by us Python guys ;-)

(or because they were not into Python and are PHP, Java... c'mon get over
the language issues, its the core concepts, that count.)

And I'll definitely say, its not easy being a programmer, you need
a fair level
of intelligence, hard-work and creativity. Oh, I think M'sians are
smart enough,
at least to avoid being a programmer! (sic)

And so long as this situation remains, we'll be 2nd class citizens
in the internet world, we are only consumers, we'll never be creators
of technology. And those of us who are in the programming craft, as
Azrul sez, will eventually find work outside of M'sia, (although, with
the internet, we don't have to leave, but may continue to live here...
;-)

(this has always been my rant.. Msians must develop the skills... but
are too afraid to do so.)

As Alan Kay (inventor of the GUI, concept of notebook, Smalltalk.. and
a super geek) says:

"In the future if someone doesn't know how to use a computer, it will
be like being illiterate, the world of knowledge will be shut off from
him. But if you he does not know how to program, its like he does not
know how to write, he will not be able to create..."

He said this in the early-mid 80's, and its this quote that got me
back into being a programmer after I had been a 'manager' for a while.
;-)


..there, did my rant prevent 2012 from massive volcanic eruptions, and
an cataclysmic asteroid colision?



On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:43 PM, red1  wrote:
  
  
Azrul, thanks for the Ubuntu proof. In a way before Mark S

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[red1]

I put the first two slides animation in a quicktime movie. 
http://red1.org/MSC8.zip

Why MSC8? It stands for 'The 8th Flagship of MSC" which was mooted when 
i was the webmaster of Siti Nurhaliza in 2000 and this concept was 
presented to Dr. Mahathir and launched by Dr. Siti Hasmah. It means 
there is a missing link in the MSC masterplan, i.e. the humanware - 
there should be a community involved. That is now missing in MSC.

red1 wrote:
> After a short struggle this year long, i can now smile that at least few 
> people can now come up to me and say,
>
> "Mr. Redhuan. I finally am enlightened of what the hell you been 
> screaming about. FOSS is not about the code. It is about branding in a 
> blue ocean."
>
> Inspired by such new taliban, I spent these 2 days writing up a simple 
> plan for us to consider as Malaysia's Gift to the world. 
> http://www.red1.org/MSC8.pdf
>
> It is exported from AppleMac Keynote (manyak dasyot the animation, so if 
> you really wana see the movie, belanja me free teh tarik).
>
> So please discuss or vote for acceptance and make it our key flagship. 
> Whether it become reality or not we leave to Allah. Our tugas is done.
>
> WARNING: If you do not vote or counter then your tugas to 
> Allah/Karma/Tao/Money is not done. In a few years its 2012, possibly a 
> magnetic pole shift, sending chaos and 90% world population to alam 
> lain. Mana tahu, Malaysia is the next superpower to continue in the new 
> alam. :)
>
> red1
>   
 

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[red1]

Advocate Boh,
I hope 2012 will be prevented by one more devil. (That its actually just 
some magnetic pole shift casued by constellation alignment recharging 
that makes the earth changes its poles again and big flood, earthquakes 
etc. In another sense, 2012 is probably fated to do mankind alot of 
good. That is why the Great HitchHiker took Michael Jackson first!)

Back to your post. I noted some nice points:
 >IKEA style. I wonder if we can start putting prices even on our wares. 
Download - USD10 per annum subscription / Hi-bandwidth USD2000 p.a. 
(Freedom license included for u to modify and send back guarantee)
 >ERP including Health. Indeed, you are not left out but sitting on top 
of the stack as a vertical. See my slides on the differentiaition by 
each university. ERP is just a horizontal. Dont complicate the 
battlefield even before the battle has begun. :)
 >ADempiere as M'sian product. Precisely the reason why i want to 
reclaim it via this proposal. Born in my farm, raised as a worldwide 
empire, can't I, its emperor raise my own army on my own soil and nuke 
Berlin?

red1

Boh Yap wrote:
> hi Red1
>
> I've always supported you, and I've also been yr devil's advocate.
>
> I agree with Azrul, its 'simplicity' that sells. Adempiere as it is
> now is too complex, granted that ERP is complex, but Mat Din Sdn Bhd
> just needs soemthng that works without having to spend 3 mths training
> and 6 mths implementation.
>
> I one-click install CD is required, and due to the very wide usage of
> ERP, perhaps that install CD should prompt the user with a few
> questions - then create the config that he needs. Perhaps we can use a
> few 'templates' for different industry and/or business types/profiles.
> ie: templates for:
>
> 1. single outlet retail shop - your regular mom-pop grecery store with a POS
> 2. multi-outlet retail shop with centralised/distributed store.
> 3. manufacturer, that needs te usual pls supply-chain, MRP
> 4. export manf. that needs all of above + foreign currency accounting
> 5. some gov organisation
> 
> and the list goes on.
>
> Notice what is needed is:
>
> - Market knowledge - which of the above profiles are most in demand
>   (or most profitable - in terms of revenue, startgic importance etc...)
>
> - Domain knowledge - someone who knows enough about each of those
> insdustry from the biz. perspective.
>
> - Technical knowhow - to develop/code the 'smart configurator'.
>   Or maybe make these into plugin modules so different ppl can
> contribute 'configurators' for different business types, perhaps even
> 'sell, make money' from licensing these!!
>
> Now bundle Adempiere, together with a bunch of 'smart configurators'
> on a CD and I'm sure it'll be a success. Also copy Canonical, by
> sending a CD to anyone who emails in for one
>
> Also may set up a "Configurator App Store" like an iPhone store, and
> let others contribute and sell... of course there will be offers for
> paid consultancy etc
>
> (my take on OSS is like IKEA furniture, it comes in a flat box with
> "some assembly required", you have to fiddle with it to assemble it.
> If you can't or are too lazy to read the instructions and do it
> yourself, then you can pay someone to do it for you, but unfortunately
> Msian's are too lazy and too ignorant... don't understand the concept
> of RTFM, for OSS... no?)
>
>
> 2 Questions to yr proposal...
>
> 1. Why restrict it to ERP?
> If anything, healthcare is even more important! As per my presentation
>
> "FOSS + Healthcare = lives" ... its about saving lives.
>
> And we as Masians have a shot at this... I'll tell you why when we meet...
>
> And from a politcal and social responsibility POV, has a better chance of
> getting funding.
>
> 2. Can't really claim Adempiere as a Msian product right?
> How many Msian developers in there? ...;-)
> ...hence M'sian gift to the world?
> (maybe need another branding, like Ubuntu & Linux? - MyDempiere &
> Adempiere ;-)
>
> As I've always said and Azrul has pointed out, Msia needs more
> technical ppl,
> hard-core coders, who can develop real kick-ass applications.
> But sadly, few wanna be coders... even in the MyGOSSCON BOF,
> not many attended the 'real technical' BOF sessions! by us Python guys ;-)
>
> (or because they were not into Python and are PHP, Java... c'mon get over
> the language issues, its the core concepts, that count.)
>
> And I'll definitely say, its not easy being a programmer, you need
> a fair level
> of intelligence, hard-work and creativity. Oh, I think M'sians are
> smart enough,
> at least to avoid being a programmer! (sic)
>
> And so long as this situation remains, we'll be 2nd class citizens
> in the internet world, we are only consumers, we'll never be creators
> of technology. And those of us who are in the programming craft, as
> Azrul sez, will eventually find work outside of M'sia, (although, with
> the internet, we don

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Boh Yap]

hi Red1

I've always supported you, and I've also been yr devil's advocate.

I agree with Azrul, its 'simplicity' that sells. Adempiere as it is
now is too complex, granted that ERP is complex, but Mat Din Sdn Bhd
just needs soemthng that works without having to spend 3 mths training
and 6 mths implementation.

I one-click install CD is required, and due to the very wide usage of
ERP, perhaps that install CD should prompt the user with a few
questions - then create the config that he needs. Perhaps we can use a
few 'templates' for different industry and/or business types/profiles.
ie: templates for:

1. single outlet retail shop - your regular mom-pop grecery store with a POS
2. multi-outlet retail shop with centralised/distributed store.
3. manufacturer, that needs te usual pls supply-chain, MRP
4. export manf. that needs all of above + foreign currency accounting
5. some gov organisation

and the list goes on.

Notice what is needed is:

- Market knowledge - which of the above profiles are most in demand
  (or most profitable - in terms of revenue, startgic importance etc...)

- Domain knowledge - someone who knows enough about each of those
insdustry from the biz. perspective.

- Technical knowhow - to develop/code the 'smart configurator'.
  Or maybe make these into plugin modules so different ppl can
contribute 'configurators' for different business types, perhaps even
'sell, make money' from licensing these!!

Now bundle Adempiere, together with a bunch of 'smart configurators'
on a CD and I'm sure it'll be a success. Also copy Canonical, by
sending a CD to anyone who emails in for one

Also may set up a "Configurator App Store" like an iPhone store, and
let others contribute and sell... of course there will be offers for
paid consultancy etc

(my take on OSS is like IKEA furniture, it comes in a flat box with
"some assembly required", you have to fiddle with it to assemble it.
If you can't or are too lazy to read the instructions and do it
yourself, then you can pay someone to do it for you, but unfortunately
Msian's are too lazy and too ignorant... don't understand the concept
of RTFM, for OSS... no?)


2 Questions to yr proposal...

1. Why restrict it to ERP?
If anything, healthcare is even more important! As per my presentation

"FOSS + Healthcare = lives" ... its about saving lives.

And we as Masians have a shot at this... I'll tell you why when we meet...

And from a politcal and social responsibility POV, has a better chance of
getting funding.

2. Can't really claim Adempiere as a Msian product right?
How many Msian developers in there? ...;-)
...hence M'sian gift to the world?
(maybe need another branding, like Ubuntu & Linux? - MyDempiere &
Adempiere ;-)

As I've always said and Azrul has pointed out, Msia needs more
technical ppl,
hard-core coders, who can develop real kick-ass applications.
But sadly, few wanna be coders... even in the MyGOSSCON BOF,
not many attended the 'real technical' BOF sessions! by us Python guys ;-)

(or because they were not into Python and are PHP, Java... c'mon get over
the language issues, its the core concepts, that count.)

And I'll definitely say, its not easy being a programmer, you need
a fair level
of intelligence, hard-work and creativity. Oh, I think M'sians are
smart enough,
at least to avoid being a programmer! (sic)

And so long as this situation remains, we'll be 2nd class citizens
in the internet world, we are only consumers, we'll never be creators
of technology. And those of us who are in the programming craft, as
Azrul sez, will eventually find work outside of M'sia, (although, with
the internet, we don't have to leave, but may continue to live here...
;-)

(this has always been my rant.. Msians must develop the skills... but
are too afraid to do so.)

As Alan Kay (inventor of the GUI, concept of notebook, Smalltalk.. and
a super geek) says:

"In the future if someone doesn't know how to use a computer, it will
be like being illiterate, the world of knowledge will be shut off from
him. But if you he does not know how to program, its like he does not
know how to write, he will not be able to create..."

He said this in the early-mid 80's, and its this quote that got me
back into being a programmer after I had been a 'manager' for a while.
;-)


..there, did my rant prevent 2012 from massive volcanic eruptions, and
an cataclysmic asteroid colision?



On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:43 PM, red1  wrote:
> Azrul, thanks for the Ubuntu proof. In a way before Mark Shuttleworth throw
> in some dimes into the Linux pot, it was a world devoid of Ubuntu. Imagine
> that IBM was a heavy investor of Linux but where did the money or focus go?
> Of course into heavy server-side that it holds dearly close to its money
> chest but not for the simple user in the street.
>
> Thus it proves very clearly that a single 1 shot can do wonders, what IF the
> same happens with ADempiere? 

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[red1]

Azrul, thanks for the Ubuntu proof. In a way before Mark Shuttleworth
throw in some dimes into the Linux pot, it was a world devoid of
Ubuntu. Imagine that IBM was a heavy investor of Linux but where did
the money or focus go? Of course into heavy server-side that it holds
dearly close to its money chest but not for the simple user in the
street.

Thus it proves very clearly that a single 1 shot can do wonders, what
IF the same happens with ADempiere? If a millionaire just say, 'heck,
here is some dimes' to us.

In fact ADempiere enjoys that in some way. Kai Schaeffer who was here
on MDec's ticket was such millionaire businessman who donated to host
ADempiere Berlin Conferences. He also contributed the Windows Installer
where its truly next, next, finish for us. He forms the ADempiere
Deutschland e.V when i asked him to.

As for here in Malaysia, thank Allah that there is hope. I am confident
the few unis taking their grants and backing me (thus the CREATE idea
is actually for them). I have a good offer now, but i am not
desperate.. just a few more slides and i shall nail it. Your name is in
it too! :)

On your supportive pitch to MDec, thanks alot. I was trying to give
some merdeka joy to them. It is this extra mile or 14 miles to be exact
to reach the Kuang farm!

I am not a good salesman. If there is some way i can tell MDec to tell
the PM that MDec has done too much. It only has to change one small
wire and THIS IS IT!

If this gets to the PM it is not nice as it can be seen as potong
jalan. I have retired from politics. I just want to bring up my
country. Period.

Azrul Hasni MADISA wrote:
One market we should also focus on is the small time
organization market (note it doesn't have to be SMEs, it could be your
Persatuan Pekebun Kecil whatever somewhere). I really hope Adempiere
could follow the ubuntu model. Call it "The ERP for the rest of us".
  
1) Single CD + a few clicks install
2) Dead simple to use 
3) Integrated with online services (for example, for organizations, a
link to ROS, for SME, maybe to LHDN etc.)
4) Mobile components
5) Dead simple addons - ala Android Marketplace
  
Then, just like Ubuntu skyrocketed Linux from the backwaters of OSS,
can Adempiere make most Malaysian realize the importance of an ERP.
  
And thus the Center Red1 proposes.
  
And frankly, just like Canonical has fulltime employees, so should the
Center. Volunteers have done wonders for Adempiere, imagine what people
can put in if they focus 100% of their working energy on it.
  
  
This is a once in a lifetime oppurtunity for MDeC*. I, as an
individual, do not necessarily need this center. I can earn my living,
work my way the usual way and have a happy life and family. Worst case
scenario, I just move out of this country (and lately I've been
thinking more and more about doing just this) and I'm sure any talented
Malaysian dev. out there are in the same situation. MDeC, please
listen... and I'll try to be as polite as possible, we, as developers
can survive well enough if Red1's center is not created. We'll find
jobs, we'll raise our family and earn enough to pay for a vacation once
in a while.  We do not need the center per se, but Malaysia, as a
country, and MDeC as the caretaker of the country's ICT, SOOO DO NEED
IT. If not, 100 years from now, in our history books, MDeC would
probably be just a footnote somewhere instead of a whole chapter if
this center is not set up. Frankly, I'll be patient and see if MDeC
takes the challenge that Red1 proposed, but this is probably the final
straw. If not, a whole bunch of us are probably would leave the
Malaysian OSS scene and probably the county.
  
*If you are an MDeC employee, please do not think of my rant as an
attack on you personally. I do think that people in MDeC are also
individuals who choose to work with MDeC when they can pour their
talent somewhere else. Heck, I know a few good people in MDeC who were
courted by oversea companies and yet they decline the offer for the
love of the country. If anything, they are more into it then us
developers. I believe that people in MDeC are heroes but some of the
policies are real time-wasters.
  
Azrul Sensei
  
  
  
  On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, red1 
wrote:
  
After a short struggle this year long, i can now smile that at least few
people can now come up to me and say,

"Mr. Redhuan. I finally am enlightened of what the hell you been
screaming about. FOSS is not about the code. It is about branding in a
blue ocean."

Inspired by such new taliban, I spent these 2 days writing up a simple
plan for us to consider as Malaysia's Gift to the world.
http://www.red1.org/MSC8.pdf

It is exported from AppleMac Keynote (manyak dasyot the animation, so if
you really wana see the movie, belanja me free teh tarik).

So please discuss or vote for acceptance and make it our key flagship.
Whether it become reality or not we leave to Allah. Our tugas is done.

WARNING: If you do not vote o

[osdcmy-public] Re: Proposal Akhir Zaman

[Azrul Hasni MADISA]

One market we should also focus on is the small time organization market
(note it doesn't have to be SMEs, it could be your Persatuan Pekebun Kecil
whatever somewhere). I really hope Adempiere could follow the ubuntu model.
Call it "The ERP for the rest of us".

1) Single CD + a few clicks install
2) Dead simple to use
3) Integrated with online services (for example, for organizations, a link
to ROS, for SME, maybe to LHDN etc.)
4) Mobile components
5) Dead simple addons - ala Android Marketplace

Then, just like Ubuntu skyrocketed Linux from the backwaters of OSS, can
Adempiere make most Malaysian realize the importance of an ERP.

And thus the Center Red1 proposes.

And frankly, just like Canonical has fulltime employees, so should the
Center. Volunteers have done wonders for Adempiere, imagine what people can
put in if they focus 100% of their working energy on it.


This is a once in a lifetime oppurtunity for MDeC*. I, as an individual, do
not necessarily need this center. I can earn my living, work my way the
usual way and have a happy life and family. Worst case scenario, I just move
out of this country (and lately I've been thinking more and more about doing
just this) and I'm sure any talented Malaysian dev. out there are in the
same situation. MDeC, please listen... and I'll try to be as polite as
possible, we, as developers can survive well enough if Red1's center is not
created. We'll find jobs, we'll raise our family and earn enough to pay for
a vacation once in a while.  We do not need the center per se, but Malaysia,
as a country, and MDeC as the caretaker of the country's ICT, SOOO DO NEED
IT. If not, 100 years from now, in our history books, MDeC would probably be
just a footnote somewhere instead of a whole chapter if this center is not
set up. Frankly, I'll be patient and see if MDeC takes the challenge that
Red1 proposed, but this is probably the final straw. If not, a whole bunch
of us are probably would leave the Malaysian OSS scene and probably the
county.

*If you are an MDeC employee, please do not think of my rant as an attack on
you personally. I do think that people in MDeC are also individuals who
choose to work with MDeC when they can pour their talent somewhere else.
Heck, I know a few good people in MDeC who were courted by oversea companies
and yet they decline the offer for the love of the country. If anything,
they are more into it then us developers. I believe that people in MDeC are
heroes but some of the policies are real time-wasters.

Azrul Sensei



On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, red1  wrote:

>
> After a short struggle this year long, i can now smile that at least few
> people can now come up to me and say,
>
> "Mr. Redhuan. I finally am enlightened of what the hell you been
> screaming about. FOSS is not about the code. It is about branding in a
> blue ocean."
>
> Inspired by such new taliban, I spent these 2 days writing up a simple
> plan for us to consider as Malaysia's Gift to the world.
> http://www.red1.org/MSC8.pdf
>
> It is exported from AppleMac Keynote (manyak dasyot the animation, so if
> you really wana see the movie, belanja me free teh tarik).
>
> So please discuss or vote for acceptance and make it our key flagship.
> Whether it become reality or not we leave to Allah. Our tugas is done.
>
> WARNING: If you do not vote or counter then your tugas to
> Allah/Karma/Tao/Money is not done. In a few years its 2012, possibly a
> magnetic pole shift, sending chaos and 90% world population to alam
> lain. Mana tahu, Malaysia is the next superpower to continue in the new
> alam. :)
>
> red1
>
> >
>

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