Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Dear Martin and all you others, most of the multiple day os events I have been involved in start with a regular introduction on Day 1 (the other type is presented further down). No repetition of the introductions on the following days. (Once the os has started the system will invariable take care of people that were not present during the introduction. My take on this is, that leadership begins to spread already during the introduction. The first window for that is provided through the part of the introduction often called focusing the group. This has nothing to do with the facilitator focusing on the group but making an intervention very early in the introduction for the participants to focus on each other. To repeat the introduction simply cancels that effect, it takes away space for the manifestation of selforganisation.) Also, from the very beginning the full schedule of times and places for break out sessions for Day 1 and 2 is shown on the Bulletin Board (this increases transparency, shows the whole range of opportunities, allows for folks inclined that way to strategically post their issues...) In the introduction I point out that there will be additional opportunities to post issues: Anytime during the event, in the evening news of Day 1 and in the morning announcements of Day 2. (Whether this slows down or speeds up the process of posting is a mystery and probably of no importance... folks will post whenever its the right time for them. Chances to adapt the structure to this fact of life should not be missed... it seems the result is a more relaxed crowd.) There is also a rough overview of the entire event, including Day 3 with Action Planning, Closing Circle. And for each day a more detailed overview of that particular day is pointed to during morning announcements. (For my professional career as a full time os-facilitator it was useful to change the times right on the poster as they varied from the planned time using a marker with a different color... in processing the event afterwards it provided continuous data on variations that often could be matched to the size of the group, distances to walk to various parts of the venue, etc... and also allowed assumptions on the observation that deviations increased as the event went on...) Now, a different animal are multiple day os events with an input every morning and perhaps no action planning in the traditional sense on Day 3. These events (Practice of Peace Program, or the New York gathering, or the Wave Rider event) have an overall theme. However, the inputs in the morning, so is my experience, do generate issues also in response to the input. Now, when you have a new input on Day 2, etc. that input has an impact on the issues offered on Day 2 and following days. This does not necessarily make a new introduction necessary but for various reasons it is done and as reported and experienced it works and is good. This might be, because the input is an intervention that in a way takes folks out of the os-mindset. Having a new introduction is like a reminder that the event continues in the os format. It also seems that in the first mentioned design, roles appear to be more clearly defined: there is a client, a planning team, a business or an NGO or some other kind of more or less defined organisation, facilitation is paid for, etc. The input design seems to be something for our gatherings, bent a bit more on experimenting, playing, paying attention to both content and form, and the procedure. However, WOSonOSes that I have been too dont follow the input design. I gather that paying attention to another principle - form follows function - might be a key on deciding on which way to go... keeping in mind that it is rarely either/or... but more either/either/either...or/or/or Have a great weekend greetings from Berlin mmp PS:Quite a bit of what I wrote about is visualised (actual photos of actual manisfestations) in the about 100 pictures in Meine open space Praxis (text is German) both as hard copy: http://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis and ebook: http://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis-E-Book 3.01.2015 17:45, Martin Roell via OSList wrote: Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Dear Martin and all you others, most of the multiple day os events I have been involved in start with a regular introduction on Day 1 (the other type is presented further down). No repetition of the introductions on the following days. (Once the os has started the system will invariable take care of people that were not present during the introduction. My take on this is, that leadership begins to spread already during the introduction. The first window for that is provided through the part of the introduction often called focusing the group. This has nothing to do with the facilitator focusing on the group but making an intervention very early in the introduction for the participants to focus on each other. To repeat the introduction simply cancels that effect, it takes away space for the manifestation of selforganisation.) Also, from the very beginning the full schedule of times and places for break out sessions for Day 1 and 2 is shown on the Bulletin Board (this increases transparency, shows the whole range of opportunities, allows for folks inclined that way to strategically post their issues...) In the introduction I point out that there will be additional opportunities to post issues: Anytime during the event, in the evening news of Day 1 and in the morning announcements of Day 2. (Whether this slows down or speeds up the process of posting is a mystery and probably of no importance... folks will post whenever its the right time for them. Chances to adapt the structure to this fact of life should not be missed... it seems the result is a more relaxed crowd.) There is also a rough overview of the entire event, including Day 3 with Action Planning, Closing Circle. And for each day a more detailed overview of that particular day is pointed to during morning announcements. (For my professional career as a full time os-facilitator it was useful to change the times right on the poster as they varied from the planned time using a marker with a different color... in processing the event afterwards it provided continuous data on variations that often could be matched to the size of the group, distances to walk to various parts of the venue, etc... and also allowed assumptions on the observation that deviations increased as the event went on...) Now, a different animal are multiple day os events with an input every morning and perhaps no action planning in the traditional sense on Day 3. These events (Practice of Peace Program, or the New York gathering, or the Wave Rider event) have an overall theme. However, the inputs in the morning, so is my experience, do generate issues also in response to the input. Now, when you have a new input on Day 2, etc. that input has an impact on the issues offered on Day 2 and following days. This does not necessarily make a new introduction necessary but for various reasons it is done and as reported and experienced it works and is good. This might be, because the input is an intervention that in a way takes folks out of the os-mindset. Having a new introduction is like a reminder that the event continues in the os format. It also seems that in the first mentioned design, roles appear to be more clearly defined: there is a client, a planning team, a business or an NGO or some other kind of more or less defined organisation, facilitation is paid for, etc. The input design seems to be something for our gatherings, bent a bit more on experimenting, playing, paying attention to both content and form, and the procedure. However, WOSonOSes that I have been too dont follow the input design. I gather that paying attention to another principle - form follows function - might be a key on deciding on which way to go... keeping in mind that it is rarely either/or... but more either/either/either...or/or/or Have a great weekend greetings from Berlin mmp PS:Quite a bit of what I wrote about is visualised (actual photos of actual manisfestations) in the about 100 pictures in Meine open space Praxis (text is German) both as hard copy: http://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis and ebook: http://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis-E-Book 3.01.2015 17:45, Martin Roell via OSList wrote: Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Dear Martin and all you others, most of the multiple day os events I have been involved in start with a regular introduction on Day 1 (the other type is presented further down). No repetition of the introductions on the following days. (Once the os has started the system will invariable take care of people that were not present during the introduction. My take on this is, that leadership begins to spread already during the introduction. The first window for that is provided through the part of the introduction often called focusing the group. This has nothing to do with the facilitator focusing on the group but making an intervention very early in the introduction for the participants to focus on each other. To repeat the introduction simply cancels that effect, it takes away space for the manifestation of selforganisation.) Also, from the very beginning the full schedule of times and places for break out sessions for Day 1 and 2 is shown on the Bulletin Board (this increases transparency, shows the whole range of opportunities, allows for folks inclined that way to strategically post their issues...) In the introduction I point out that there will be additional opportunities to post issues: Anytime during the event, in the evening news of Day 1 and in the morning announcements of Day 2. (Whether this slows down or speeds up the process of posting is a mystery and probably of no importance... folks will post whenever its the right time for them. Chances to adapt the structure to this fact of life should not be missed... it seems the result is a more relaxed crowd.) There is also a rough overview of the entire event, including Day 3 with Action Planning, Closing Circle. And for each day a more detailed overview of that particular day is pointed to during morning announcements. (For my professional career as a full time os-facilitator it was useful to change the times right on the poster as they varied from the planned time using a marker with a different color... in processing the event afterwards it provided continuous data on variations that often could be matched to the size of the group, distances to walk to various parts of the venue, etc... and also allowed assumptions on the observation that deviations increased as the event went on...) Now, a different animal are multiple day os events with an input every morning and perhaps no action planning in the traditional sense on Day 3. These events (Practice of Peace Program, or the New York gathering, or the Wave Rider event) have an overall theme. However, the inputs in the morning, so is my experience, do generate issues also in response to the input. Now, when you have a new input on Day 2, etc. that input has an impact on the issues offered on Day 2 and following days. This does not necessarily make a new introduction necessary but for various reasons it is done and as reported and experienced it works and is good. This might be, because the input is an intervention that in a way takes folks out of the os-mindset. Having a new introduction is like a reminder that the event continues in the os format. It also seems that in the first mentioned design, roles appear to be more clearly defined: there is a client, a planning team, a business or an NGO or some other kind of more or less defined organisation, facilitation is paid for, etc. The input design seems to be something for our gatherings, bent a bit more on experimenting, playing, paying attention to both content and form, and the procedure. However, WOSonOSes that I have been too dont follow the input design. I gather that paying attention to another principle - form follows function - might be a key on deciding on which way to go... keeping in mind that it is rarely either/or... but more either/either/either...or/or/or Have a great weekend greetings from Berlin mmp PS:Quite a bit of what I wrote about is visualised (actual photos of actual manisfestations) in the about 100 pictures in Meine open space Praxis (text is German) both as hard copy: http://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis and ebook: http://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis-E-Book 3.01.2015 17:45, Martin Roell via OSList wrote: Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Facts of life I love it!!! thanks mmp *Certified Professional Facilitator* Office: Via A. Volta 6 - 20121 Milano – Italy Phone: +39 3293281343 Fax: +39 02 87151318 Skype: gerardodeluz xge(at)loci.it *www.loci.it * http://www.loci.it* http://www.flickr.com/photos/geniusloci/* http://www.scuolafacilitazione.it *Please consider the environment before deciding to print this e-mail* This e-mail (and any attachment(s)) is strictly confidential and for use only by intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient(s), please notify it via e-mail at i...@loci.it https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/blocked::mailto:i...@loci.it promptly 2015-01-22 21:55 GMT+01:00 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org: Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 403 resident Open Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Michael has really said it all for me, but just to underline a point or two -- The job of the facilitator in Open Space is simple and quick: Enable the space to open and quickly retire in an unobtrusive fashion. As I said somewhere, Be totally present and absolutely invisible. This isn't about face time for the facilitator, nor is it about sharing the glories and burdens of facilitation. It is all about the participants, their passions and needs which require some real space/time. Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Harrison Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093 Summer Address 189 Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 Websites www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -Original Message- From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Michael M Pannwitz via OSList Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:55 PM To: Harold Shinsato; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the _participants_! And remember, the space is always open! Except, I guess, when the facilitator is speaking! Hihi! So now, after these words of introduction, let me explain to you the *principles of Open Space*! You have all heard these before, but what the hell, as I am standing here now and Facilitator A has given me the responsibility I never got this facilitation on what-is-not-the-first-day. What does it take more than to say: Hi folks - anyone got any new topics? and sit down? Love, Martin -- Martin Röll, mar...@roell.net, +49 1784984743 Twitter, Skype: martinroell | http://www.roell.net ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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I've enjoyed the dialog from everyone - very thought provoking - thank you Martin, Harrison, Gerardo, Chris, John, and Michael. Martin - thanks for your perspective. Going over the principles again the second and third days might seem redundant. I know that Paul Levy doesn't even mention them in many spaces he opens. And it's also true that in multiple day events, some people new to OST show up on the second or third days. But perhaps they can get the gist of it from everyone else. Have you been at any multi day OST's where they just got on with it at the openings, and didn't run through the law principles? How did it work? John - I like your resistance to the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation'. Would you to speak more about it? I feel conflicted even calling myself an open space 'facilitator', but I'm not sure there's better language for the role. Michael Harrison - thanks for your thoughts on the matter. I especially found thought provoking how Larry Peterson's uncharismatic presence was more effective at opening space than something more flashy. And I also sense that splitting the facilitation can take longer - and my first gut reaction was 'uh oh' - but I was quite surprised at how well it worked last week in NYC. Harold On 1/23/15 11:45 AM, Martin Roell via OSList wrote: Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the _participants_! And remember, the space is always open! Except, I guess, when the facilitator is speaking! Hihi! So now, after these words of introduction, let me explain to you the *principles of Open Space*! You have all heard these before, but what the hell, as I am standing here now and Facilitator A has given me the responsibility I never got this facilitation on what-is-not-the-first-day. What does it take more than to say: Hi folks - anyone got any new topics? and sit down? Love, Martin -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Michael, what you described with Larry Peterson is also what I experienced with Gail West in Taiwan at my first WOSonOS in Taiwan in 2009. A simplicity and holding of space throughout that made room for so much to emerge. I cherish the memory of it still in my soul. Suzanne On Jan 22, 2015 8:17 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 403 resident Open Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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Harold... Doubtless it worked (in NYC). But then again I find myself asking, Worked for whom? And for what purpose? My intent in any Open Space is always to insure that space opens as effectively, expeditiously, and fulsomely as possible. With these hopes in mind I have concluded that the less of me, the more space available for everybody else. Things seem to work best when I practice Less is More with a vengeance, and always search for one more thing not to do. The simple fact of the matter is that I take up an awful lot of space. It is also true that I actually enjoy doing that under certain circumstances - Doing a Good Show can be very satisfying and even useful. And for a story teller such as myself (some might call me a born ham) the temptation is a real and present danger... to which I have often succumbed J. But when opening space, Show Time belongs to everybody else. My time is Exit Left - quickly and quietly. I think. Harrison Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093 Summer Address 189 Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 Websites www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harold Shinsato via OSList Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:39 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation I've enjoyed the dialog from everyone - very thought provoking - thank you Martin, Harrison, Gerardo, Chris, John, and Michael. Martin - thanks for your perspective. Going over the principles again the second and third days might seem redundant. I know that Paul Levy doesn't even mention them in many spaces he opens. And it's also true that in multiple day events, some people new to OST show up on the second or third days. But perhaps they can get the gist of it from everyone else. Have you been at any multi day OST's where they just got on with it at the openings, and didn't run through the law principles? How did it work? John - I like your resistance to the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation'. Would you to speak more about it? I feel conflicted even calling myself an open space 'facilitator', but I'm not sure there's better language for the role. Michael Harrison - thanks for your thoughts on the matter. I especially found thought provoking how Larry Peterson's uncharismatic presence was more effective at opening space than something more flashy. And I also sense that splitting the facilitation can take longer - and my first gut reaction was 'uh oh' - but I was quite surprised at how well it worked last week in NYC. Harold On 1/23/15 11:45 AM, Martin Roell via OSList wrote: Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the _participants_! And remember, the space is always open! Except, I guess, when the facilitator is speaking! Hihi! So now, after these words of introduction, let me explain to you the *principles of Open Space*! You have all heard these before, but what the hell, as I am standing here now and Facilitator A has given me the responsibility I never got this facilitation on what-is-not-the-first-day. What does it take more than to say: Hi folks - anyone got any new topics? and sit down? Love, Martin -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush
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Facts of life I love it!!! thanks mmp *Certified Professional Facilitator* Office: Via A. Volta 6 - 20121 Milano – Italy Phone: +39 3293281343 Fax: +39 02 87151318 Skype: gerardodeluz xge(at)loci.it *www.loci.it * http://www.loci.it* http://www.flickr.com/photos/geniusloci/* http://www.scuolafacilitazione.it *Please consider the environment before deciding to print this e-mail* This e-mail (and any attachment(s)) is strictly confidential and for use only by intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient(s), please notify it via e-mail at i...@loci.it https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/blocked::mailto:i...@loci.it promptly 2015-01-22 21:55 GMT+01:00 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org: Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 403 resident Open Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
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Michael has really said it all for me, but just to underline a point or two -- The job of the facilitator in Open Space is simple and quick: Enable the space to open and quickly retire in an unobtrusive fashion. As I said somewhere, Be totally present and absolutely invisible. This isn't about face time for the facilitator, nor is it about sharing the glories and burdens of facilitation. It is all about the participants, their passions and needs which require some real space/time. Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Harrison Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093 Summer Address 189 Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 Websites www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -Original Message- From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Michael M Pannwitz via OSList Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:55 PM To: Harold Shinsato; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently
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Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the _participants_! And remember, the space is always open! Except, I guess, when the facilitator is speaking! Hihi! So now, after these words of introduction, let me explain to you the *principles of Open Space*! You have all heard these before, but what the hell, as I am standing here now and Facilitator A has given me the responsibility I never got this facilitation on what-is-not-the-first-day. What does it take more than to say: Hi folks - anyone got any new topics? and sit down? Love, Martin -- Martin Röll, mar...@roell.net, +49 1784984743 Twitter, Skype: martinroell | http://www.roell.net ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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I've enjoyed the dialog from everyone - very thought provoking - thank you Martin, Harrison, Gerardo, Chris, John, and Michael. Martin - thanks for your perspective. Going over the principles again the second and third days might seem redundant. I know that Paul Levy doesn't even mention them in many spaces he opens. And it's also true that in multiple day events, some people new to OST show up on the second or third days. But perhaps they can get the gist of it from everyone else. Have you been at any multi day OST's where they just got on with it at the openings, and didn't run through the law principles? How did it work? John - I like your resistance to the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation'. Would you to speak more about it? I feel conflicted even calling myself an open space 'facilitator', but I'm not sure there's better language for the role. Michael Harrison - thanks for your thoughts on the matter. I especially found thought provoking how Larry Peterson's uncharismatic presence was more effective at opening space than something more flashy. And I also sense that splitting the facilitation can take longer - and my first gut reaction was 'uh oh' - but I was quite surprised at how well it worked last week in NYC. Harold On 1/23/15 11:45 AM, Martin Roell via OSList wrote: Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the _participants_! And remember, the space is always open! Except, I guess, when the facilitator is speaking! Hihi! So now, after these words of introduction, let me explain to you the *principles of Open Space*! You have all heard these before, but what the hell, as I am standing here now and Facilitator A has given me the responsibility I never got this facilitation on what-is-not-the-first-day. What does it take more than to say: Hi folks - anyone got any new topics? and sit down? Love, Martin -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush
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Michael, what you described with Larry Peterson is also what I experienced with Gail West in Taiwan at my first WOSonOS in Taiwan in 2009. A simplicity and holding of space throughout that made room for so much to emerge. I cherish the memory of it still in my soul. Suzanne On Jan 22, 2015 8:17 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 403 resident Open Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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Harold... Doubtless it worked (in NYC). But then again I find myself asking, Worked for whom? And for what purpose? My intent in any Open Space is always to insure that space opens as effectively, expeditiously, and fulsomely as possible. With these hopes in mind I have concluded that the less of me, the more space available for everybody else. Things seem to work best when I practice Less is More with a vengeance, and always search for one more thing not to do. The simple fact of the matter is that I take up an awful lot of space. It is also true that I actually enjoy doing that under certain circumstances - Doing a Good Show can be very satisfying and even useful. And for a story teller such as myself (some might call me a born ham) the temptation is a real and present danger... to which I have often succumbed J. But when opening space, Show Time belongs to everybody else. My time is Exit Left - quickly and quietly. I think. Harrison Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093 Summer Address 189 Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 Websites www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harold Shinsato via OSList Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:39 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation I've enjoyed the dialog from everyone - very thought provoking - thank you Martin, Harrison, Gerardo, Chris, John, and Michael. Martin - thanks for your perspective. Going over the principles again the second and third days might seem redundant. I know that Paul Levy doesn't even mention them in many spaces he opens. And it's also true that in multiple day events, some people new to OST show up on the second or third days. But perhaps they can get the gist of it from everyone else. Have you been at any multi day OST's where they just got on with it at the openings, and didn't run through the law principles? How did it work? John - I like your resistance to the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation'. Would you to speak more about it? I feel conflicted even calling myself an open space 'facilitator', but I'm not sure there's better language for the role. Michael Harrison - thanks for your thoughts on the matter. I especially found thought provoking how Larry Peterson's uncharismatic presence was more effective at opening space than something more flashy. And I also sense that splitting the facilitation can take longer - and my first gut reaction was 'uh oh' - but I was quite surprised at how well it worked last week in NYC. Harold On 1/23/15 11:45 AM, Martin Roell via OSList wrote: Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the _participants_! And remember, the space is always open! Except, I guess, when the facilitator is speaking! Hihi! So now, after these words of introduction, let me explain to you the *principles of Open Space*! You have all heard these before, but what the hell, as I am standing here now and Facilitator A has given me the responsibility I never got this facilitation on what-is-not-the-first-day. What does it take more than to say: Hi folks - anyone got any new topics? and sit down? Love, Martin -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush
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Facts of life I love it!!! thanks mmp *Certified Professional Facilitator* Office: Via A. Volta 6 - 20121 Milano – Italy Phone: +39 3293281343 Fax: +39 02 87151318 Skype: gerardodeluz xge(at)loci.it *www.loci.it * http://www.loci.it* http://www.flickr.com/photos/geniusloci/* http://www.scuolafacilitazione.it *Please consider the environment before deciding to print this e-mail* This e-mail (and any attachment(s)) is strictly confidential and for use only by intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient(s), please notify it via e-mail at i...@loci.it https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/blocked::mailto:i...@loci.it promptly 2015-01-22 21:55 GMT+01:00 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org: Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 403 resident Open Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
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Michael has really said it all for me, but just to underline a point or two -- The job of the facilitator in Open Space is simple and quick: Enable the space to open and quickly retire in an unobtrusive fashion. As I said somewhere, Be totally present and absolutely invisible. This isn't about face time for the facilitator, nor is it about sharing the glories and burdens of facilitation. It is all about the participants, their passions and needs which require some real space/time. Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Harrison Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093 Summer Address 189 Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 Websites www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -Original Message- From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Michael M Pannwitz via OSList Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:55 PM To: Harold Shinsato; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently
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Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the _participants_! And remember, the space is always open! Except, I guess, when the facilitator is speaking! Hihi! So now, after these words of introduction, let me explain to you the *principles of Open Space*! You have all heard these before, but what the hell, as I am standing here now and Facilitator A has given me the responsibility I never got this facilitation on what-is-not-the-first-day. What does it take more than to say: Hi folks - anyone got any new topics? and sit down? Love, Martin -- Martin Röll, mar...@roell.net, +49 1784984743 Twitter, Skype: martinroell | http://www.roell.net ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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I've enjoyed the dialog from everyone - very thought provoking - thank you Martin, Harrison, Gerardo, Chris, John, and Michael. Martin - thanks for your perspective. Going over the principles again the second and third days might seem redundant. I know that Paul Levy doesn't even mention them in many spaces he opens. And it's also true that in multiple day events, some people new to OST show up on the second or third days. But perhaps they can get the gist of it from everyone else. Have you been at any multi day OST's where they just got on with it at the openings, and didn't run through the law principles? How did it work? John - I like your resistance to the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation'. Would you to speak more about it? I feel conflicted even calling myself an open space 'facilitator', but I'm not sure there's better language for the role. Michael Harrison - thanks for your thoughts on the matter. I especially found thought provoking how Larry Peterson's uncharismatic presence was more effective at opening space than something more flashy. And I also sense that splitting the facilitation can take longer - and my first gut reaction was 'uh oh' - but I was quite surprised at how well it worked last week in NYC. Harold On 1/23/15 11:45 AM, Martin Roell via OSList wrote: Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the _participants_! And remember, the space is always open! Except, I guess, when the facilitator is speaking! Hihi! So now, after these words of introduction, let me explain to you the *principles of Open Space*! You have all heard these before, but what the hell, as I am standing here now and Facilitator A has given me the responsibility I never got this facilitation on what-is-not-the-first-day. What does it take more than to say: Hi folks - anyone got any new topics? and sit down? Love, Martin -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush
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Michael, what you described with Larry Peterson is also what I experienced with Gail West in Taiwan at my first WOSonOS in Taiwan in 2009. A simplicity and holding of space throughout that made room for so much to emerge. I cherish the memory of it still in my soul. Suzanne On Jan 22, 2015 8:17 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 403 resident Open Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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Harold... Doubtless it worked (in NYC). But then again I find myself asking, Worked for whom? And for what purpose? My intent in any Open Space is always to insure that space opens as effectively, expeditiously, and fulsomely as possible. With these hopes in mind I have concluded that the less of me, the more space available for everybody else. Things seem to work best when I practice Less is More with a vengeance, and always search for one more thing not to do. The simple fact of the matter is that I take up an awful lot of space. It is also true that I actually enjoy doing that under certain circumstances - Doing a Good Show can be very satisfying and even useful. And for a story teller such as myself (some might call me a born ham) the temptation is a real and present danger... to which I have often succumbed J. But when opening space, Show Time belongs to everybody else. My time is Exit Left - quickly and quietly. I think. Harrison Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093 Summer Address 189 Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 Websites www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harold Shinsato via OSList Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:39 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation I've enjoyed the dialog from everyone - very thought provoking - thank you Martin, Harrison, Gerardo, Chris, John, and Michael. Martin - thanks for your perspective. Going over the principles again the second and third days might seem redundant. I know that Paul Levy doesn't even mention them in many spaces he opens. And it's also true that in multiple day events, some people new to OST show up on the second or third days. But perhaps they can get the gist of it from everyone else. Have you been at any multi day OST's where they just got on with it at the openings, and didn't run through the law principles? How did it work? John - I like your resistance to the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation'. Would you to speak more about it? I feel conflicted even calling myself an open space 'facilitator', but I'm not sure there's better language for the role. Michael Harrison - thanks for your thoughts on the matter. I especially found thought provoking how Larry Peterson's uncharismatic presence was more effective at opening space than something more flashy. And I also sense that splitting the facilitation can take longer - and my first gut reaction was 'uh oh' - but I was quite surprised at how well it worked last week in NYC. Harold On 1/23/15 11:45 AM, Martin Roell via OSList wrote: Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: Facilitators taking up un-needed space/time defeats the purpose. I think. Hello, and welcome to the third-day of this Open Space. Facilitator A who had spoken on day 1 has given the responsibility to open the space to me: let me introduce myself: I am Facilitator C from X in Z. It is a great honor to be opening space for you today, after Facilitator A has already delegated so nicely to Facilitator B yesterday, and didn't he do a marvellous job? Thank you B, for opening space yesterday, and thank you A for having delegated this important responsibility! And thank you all for showing up today, after all, it is _you_ who this is about, isn't it? It is all about the _participants_! And remember, the space is always open! Except, I guess, when the facilitator is speaking! Hihi! So now, after these words of introduction, let me explain to you the *principles of Open Space*! You have all heard these before, but what the hell, as I am standing here now and Facilitator A has given me the responsibility I never got this facilitation on what-is-not-the-first-day. What does it take more than to say: Hi folks - anyone got any new topics? and sit down? Love, Martin -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush
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Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 403 resident Open Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org
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I have a locus of resistance against the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation', so I feel almost like saying no (or N/A), but yes I have invited others to perform elements of the formal/process bits (that I otherwise may have done myself) numerous times. And also been one of those 'others' on occasion myself. Mostly in smaller, more informal gatherings, especially those with an informal collaborative organising group. It is easy in this context to ask who wants to do a bit or who is the best person here to do the next bit. I guess in these situations holding the space is shared, and it is much easier to share tasks, even if someone is present as 'the facilitator'. I have probably gotten worse at this over the years as I come to believe *I* am the best person, confusing capability with desireability. hmmm... Thanks for prompting the reflection Harold. *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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Isn't that a gesture of genuine sharing and collective caring ? Or rather joining our resources and forces to collaborate effectively to open that space ... As such it feels quite natural to me. And the sign of resonance and desire to share in the opening of the circle, someway or other, feels like the energy is already expanding...Chris PastedGraphic-3.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document Chris M. AltmikusChemin de la Bovarde 37CH-1091 Grandvauxph +41 21 799 31 34m +41 78 935 31 34chris.altmi...@idea-link.eu Le 23 janv. 2015 à 01:52, John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org a écrit :I have a locus of resistance against the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation', so I feel almost like saying no (or N/A), but yes I have invited others to perform elements of the formal/process bits (that I otherwise may have done myself) numerous times. And also been one of those 'others' on occasion myself.Mostly in smaller, more informal gatherings, especially those with an informal collaborative organising group. It is easy in this context to ask "who wants to do a bit" or "who is the best person here to do the next bit". I guess in these situations holding the space is shared, and it is much easier to share tasks, even if someone is present as 'the facilitator'.I have probably gotten worse at this over the years as I come to believe I am the best person, confusing capability with desireability. hmmm...Thanks for prompting the reflection Harold.John BaxterCocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas "Tom" Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do "one less thing", including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ___OSList mailing listTo post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.orgTo subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
[OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 403 resident Open Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
I have a locus of resistance against the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation', so I feel almost like saying no (or N/A), but yes I have invited others to perform elements of the formal/process bits (that I otherwise may have done myself) numerous times. And also been one of those 'others' on occasion myself. Mostly in smaller, more informal gatherings, especially those with an informal collaborative organising group. It is easy in this context to ask who wants to do a bit or who is the best person here to do the next bit. I guess in these situations holding the space is shared, and it is much easier to share tasks, even if someone is present as 'the facilitator'. I have probably gotten worse at this over the years as I come to believe *I* am the best person, confusing capability with desireability. hmmm... Thanks for prompting the reflection Harold. *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Isn't that a gesture of genuine sharing and collective caring ? Or rather joining our resources and forces to collaborate effectively to open that space ... As such it feels quite natural to me. And the sign of resonance and desire to share in the opening of the circle, someway or other, feels like the energy is already expanding...Chris PastedGraphic-3.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document Chris M. AltmikusChemin de la Bovarde 37CH-1091 Grandvauxph +41 21 799 31 34m +41 78 935 31 34chris.altmi...@idea-link.eu Le 23 janv. 2015 à 01:52, John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org a écrit :I have a locus of resistance against the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation', so I feel almost like saying no (or N/A), but yes I have invited others to perform elements of the formal/process bits (that I otherwise may have done myself) numerous times. And also been one of those 'others' on occasion myself.Mostly in smaller, more informal gatherings, especially those with an informal collaborative organising group. It is easy in this context to ask "who wants to do a bit" or "who is the best person here to do the next bit". I guess in these situations holding the space is shared, and it is much easier to share tasks, even if someone is present as 'the facilitator'.I have probably gotten worse at this over the years as I come to believe I am the best person, confusing capability with desireability. hmmm...Thanks for prompting the reflection Harold.John BaxterCocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas "Tom" Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do "one less thing", including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ___OSList mailing listTo post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.orgTo subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
[OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Dear Harold, One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life). When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself: In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold more freely. Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be. Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess. My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other words my time to deal with my issues was decreased. I remember, however, that my own experience as a participant/sponsor/facilitator (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without words and plenty of pantomine. In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in replicating it, that is I did not add any of it. In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes and we practiced this many times. The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK. At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring, non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control, with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as close to invisible and still with utter presence... Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in Krakow/Poland in September mmp On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany ++49 - 30-772 8000 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 403 resident Open Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
I have a locus of resistance against the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation', so I feel almost like saying no (or N/A), but yes I have invited others to perform elements of the formal/process bits (that I otherwise may have done myself) numerous times. And also been one of those 'others' on occasion myself. Mostly in smaller, more informal gatherings, especially those with an informal collaborative organising group. It is easy in this context to ask who wants to do a bit or who is the best person here to do the next bit. I guess in these situations holding the space is shared, and it is much easier to share tasks, even if someone is present as 'the facilitator'. I have probably gotten worse at this over the years as I come to believe *I* am the best person, confusing capability with desireability. hmmm... Thanks for prompting the reflection Harold. *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
Isn't that a gesture of genuine sharing and collective caring ? Or rather joining our resources and forces to collaborate effectively to open that space ... As such it feels quite natural to me. And the sign of resonance and desire to share in the opening of the circle, someway or other, feels like the energy is already expanding...Chris PastedGraphic-3.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document Chris M. AltmikusChemin de la Bovarde 37CH-1091 Grandvauxph +41 21 799 31 34m +41 78 935 31 34chris.altmi...@idea-link.eu Le 23 janv. 2015 à 01:52, John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org a écrit :I have a locus of resistance against the terms 'actual facilitation' and 'delegation', so I feel almost like saying no (or N/A), but yes I have invited others to perform elements of the formal/process bits (that I otherwise may have done myself) numerous times. And also been one of those 'others' on occasion myself.Mostly in smaller, more informal gatherings, especially those with an informal collaborative organising group. It is easy in this context to ask "who wants to do a bit" or "who is the best person here to do the next bit". I guess in these situations holding the space is shared, and it is much easier to share tasks, even if someone is present as 'the facilitator'.I have probably gotten worse at this over the years as I come to believe I am the best person, confusing capability with desireability. hmmm...Thanks for prompting the reflection Harold.John BaxterCocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas "Tom" Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do "one less thing", including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ___OSList mailing listTo post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.orgTo subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
[OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation
I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014 Opening Space for Peace High Performance had different facilitators, and so did the one this year - including different people for the evening news. I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked really well. Kudos to Tom Brown. Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers or to the actual circle itself? Thanks! Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush
