RE: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

2011-05-12 Thread Greg Keogh
I saw the demo running and I was also amazed by the smooth and rich
experience and wondered how it was done. Viewing the page source only showed
some frames with no clue about what was in them. Right-clicking produced
application context menus. I could find no direct evidence for Silverlight
or Flash driving the thing. I was totally stumped by how it was done.
Perhaps it was GTK, but it seemed better than the best stuff I've seen done
in GTK.

 

I just went to their contact web page and posted a question asking them how
their developers created the UI. Let's see if they respond and reveal their
magic!

 

Greg



Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

2011-05-12 Thread Joseph Cooney
Gtk or gwt?

On 12/05/2011, at 4:39 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 I saw the demo running and I was also amazed by the smooth and rich 
 experience and wondered how it was done. Viewing the page source only showed 
 some frames with no clue about what was in them. Right-clicking produced 
 application context menus. I could find no direct evidence for Silverlight or 
 Flash driving the thing. I was totally stumped by how it was done. Perhaps it 
 was GTK, but it seemed better than the best stuff I’ve seen done in GTK.
 
  
 
 I just went to their contact web page and posted a question asking them how 
 their developers created the UI. Let’s see if they respond and reveal their 
 magic!
 
  
 
 Greg


Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

2011-05-12 Thread David Richards
Actually, long-press is the replacement for right click.  WinMo has
it, Android has it, I've seen it used in ios apps but I'm not sure
it's considered standard there.  Not sure about WP7.


David

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama


On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 17:02, Richard Blackman
richard.black...@itvision.com.au wrote:
 Multi touch is becoming a replacement for right clicking as on the latest
 macbooks.



 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo
 Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 1:39 PM



 Fair enough. As we move into an environment where touch is more important,
 right-clicking someone loses it's meaning anyway I guess.

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com
 wrote:



Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

2011-05-12 Thread Sam Lai
On 12 May 2011 17:06, David Richards ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com wrote:
 Actually, long-press is the replacement for right click.  WinMo has
 it, Android has it, I've seen it used in ios apps but I'm not sure
 it's considered standard there.  Not sure about WP7.

It's used in Safari for opening links in a new page, so that's at
least tacit approval by Apple, even if it isn't in the HIG.


 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama


 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 17:02, Richard Blackman
 richard.black...@itvision.com.au wrote:
 Multi touch is becoming a replacement for right clicking as on the latest
 macbooks.



 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo
 Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 1:39 PM



 Fair enough. As we move into an environment where touch is more important,
 right-clicking someone loses it's meaning anyway I guess.

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com
 wrote:




Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

2011-05-12 Thread Stephen Price
Long press opens context menus in various places on WP7.

So yeah, long press looks popular.

Having just got myself an eee slate EP121 (loving it so far!) I'm
discovering all the joys of non tablet friendly apps. Windows 7 is not
bad for it but hear Windows 8 will be improved in the touch
department.

Bigger buttons, gestures, all that sort of stuff. Tablets are the new
mobile. (ie you know how so many web sites are not mobile friendly.
same deal with touch)

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:06 PM, David Richards
ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com wrote:
 Actually, long-press is the replacement for right click.  WinMo has
 it, Android has it, I've seen it used in ios apps but I'm not sure
 it's considered standard there.  Not sure about WP7.


 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama


 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 17:02, Richard Blackman
 richard.black...@itvision.com.au wrote:
 Multi touch is becoming a replacement for right clicking as on the latest
 macbooks.



 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo
 Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 1:39 PM



 Fair enough. As we move into an environment where touch is more important,
 right-clicking someone loses it's meaning anyway I guess.

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com
 wrote:




Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

2011-05-12 Thread Filip Kratochvil
Looking at the code through Google dev tools I found a reference to
www.coolite.com - .NET controls built on top of ExtJS (Sencha).
Sencha - www.sencha.com, have JavaScript framework called ExtJS - check out
the demos, there is also Sencha Touch for mobile devices
Steep learning curve for ExtJS, but the API is quite nice and once you know
ExtJS, developing with Sencha Touch is pretty much the same.
Visually, ExtJS 4 is highly customisable with the use of Compass/SASS/CSS3.

HTH,
Filip


On 12 May 2011 14:14, Kirsten Greed kirst...@jobtalk.com.au wrote:

  Hi All

 I recently started playing with a web based project management solution
 www.smartsheet.com

 The user interface is very smooth for something running on the web

 Can anyone tell me what it could be written in?

 Thanks

 Kirsten







RE: [OT] Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition

2011-05-12 Thread Greg Keogh
Oh well, it seems that the Harris price is on the low end for SAO MSDN Premium 
with VS2010, so I've begrudgingly paid for the upgrade so I can get the Office 
and Expression suites and kits on top of the SDKs, DBs and OSs (I'm begrudged 
because for the same price I can get a week long holiday on 5-star private 
island resort in Fiji). The subscription is petty cash for a large company, but 
it hurts a bit when you're a one man business. However my wife reminded me that 
it's a tax deduction so I would feel better -- Greg



Re: [OT] Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition

2011-05-12 Thread Les Hughes

Greg Keogh wrote:

Oh well, it seems that the Harris price is on the low end for SAO MSDN Premium 
with VS2010, so I've begrudgingly paid for the upgrade so I can get the Office 
and Expression suites and kits on top of the SDKs, DBs and OSs (I'm begrudged 
because for the same price I can get a week long holiday on 5-star private 
island resort in Fiji). The subscription is petty cash for a large company, but 
it hurts a bit when you're a one man business. However my wife reminded me that 
it's a tax deduction so I would feel better -- Greg
  
What about our Fiji.NET 1.5 week conference at the Hyatt Suva, where we 
have daily development talks situated at the bar in the swimming pool?


:))
--
Les Hughes
l...@datarev.com.au


In Melbourne in June, who's interested in a geek dinner?

2011-05-12 Thread David Kean
I'm back in Melbourne for 4 weeks starting 10th June. Anyone interested in 
getting together for a geek dinner/drinks?


RE: SSD minimum size question

2011-05-12 Thread Tony Wright
Personally I decided on the 256G. And I've got the same for 3 laptops now. I
don't want to have to waste my time dealing with the possibility of running
out of space. 

 

BTW, there are a number of 3rd gen SSDs out now, not just the Crucial M4,
although they use newer technology which is apparently not as good (cheaper
but not better performing). Some of the 2nd gen drives are pretty awesome if
you can get them for a good price, such as the Crucial C300 (the only 2nd
gen I would buy)

I read the following forum on tom's hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266789-32-foot-race-vertex3-intel-crucial

And a comparison site written in French (no I can't read it but google
translate is my friend. If you know of a better comparison, please post it
as I'm interested)

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/830-7/comparatif-ssd-2011-crucial-m4-ocz-ver
tex-3-intel-510-320.html

 

T.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Matt Siebert
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 10:22 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: SSD minimum size question

 

I got a 120 GB SSD about 2 months ago (107 GB usable) and have been running
with around 43 GB free space for most of that time.

 

I'm careful to keep my documents and photos on another drive but I do have a
frequently used XP VM on there occupying about 8 GB.

 

If I did a cleanup I could probably get away with a 60 GB drive if I had to,
but for a development machine I'd really want 120 GB.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Incidentally, Windows 7 SP1 now installs OK on his system.

It's a pity that the installer didn't give an appropriate message, instead
of just terminating with some unrelated or incomprehensible message. How
hard is it to say you're out of disk space, dude? 

I wouldn't have thought a 60Gb SSD was too small, though. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:18 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

 

We were looking for something like that, Joseph - I'll pass it on. Wading
through the Power Settings didn't make that clear. 

(just found the same advice from Hanselman, too)

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 



RE: SSD minimum size question

2011-05-12 Thread Tony Wright
Found the tom's hardware review:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ssd-320-crucial-m4-realssd-c400,29
08-6.html

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 12:28 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

 

Personally I decided on the 256G. And I've got the same for 3 laptops now. I
don't want to have to waste my time dealing with the possibility of running
out of space. 

 

BTW, there are a number of 3rd gen SSDs out now, not just the Crucial M4,
although they use newer technology which is apparently not as good (cheaper
but not better performing). Some of the 2nd gen drives are pretty awesome if
you can get them for a good price, such as the Crucial C300 (the only 2nd
gen I would buy)

I read the following forum on tom's hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266789-32-foot-race-vertex3-intel-crucial

And a comparison site written in French (no I can't read it but google
translate is my friend. If you know of a better comparison, please post it
as I'm interested)

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/830-7/comparatif-ssd-2011-crucial-m4-ocz-ver
tex-3-intel-510-320.html

 

T.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Matt Siebert
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 10:22 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: SSD minimum size question

 

I got a 120 GB SSD about 2 months ago (107 GB usable) and have been running
with around 43 GB free space for most of that time.

 

I'm careful to keep my documents and photos on another drive but I do have a
frequently used XP VM on there occupying about 8 GB.

 

If I did a cleanup I could probably get away with a 60 GB drive if I had to,
but for a development machine I'd really want 120 GB.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Incidentally, Windows 7 SP1 now installs OK on his system.

It's a pity that the installer didn't give an appropriate message, instead
of just terminating with some unrelated or incomprehensible message. How
hard is it to say you're out of disk space, dude? 

I wouldn't have thought a 60Gb SSD was too small, though. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:18 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

 

We were looking for something like that, Joseph - I'll pass it on. Wading
through the Power Settings didn't make that clear. 

(just found the same advice from Hanselman, too)

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 



RE: In Melbourne in June, who's interested in a geek dinner?

2011-05-12 Thread Greg Keogh
I'm back in Melbourne for 4 weeks starting 10th June. Anyone interested in
getting together for a geek dinner/drinks?

 

Just try and keep me away from any dinner and drinks! Let us know when, when
you know-- Greg



DDD Melbourne

2011-05-12 Thread David Burstin
Hi all,

I can't go anymore, so I have a FREE ticket to give away for DDD Melbourne
on 28th of May (normally $25).

Goes to the first reply I get in my inbox.

Please only take the ticket if you will DEFINITELY use it.

Cheers
Dave


Re: In Melbourne in June, who's interested in a geek dinner?

2011-05-12 Thread Les Hughes

Greg Keogh wrote:


I’m back in Melbourne for 4 weeks starting 10^th June. Anyone 
interested in getting together for a geek dinner/drinks?


Just try and keep me away from any dinner and drinks! Let us know 
when, when you know-- Greg



Yep. Keep us all updated :)
--
Les Hughes
l...@datarev.com.au


Re: In Melbourne in June, who's interested in a geek dinner?

2011-05-12 Thread David Connors
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Just try and keep me away from any dinner and drinks! Let us know when,
 when you know--


I'll be in Melbourne that long weekend of the 10th/13th (have another
birthday to go to so may not be able to make it depending on when you want
to have the dinner).

-- 
*David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
Software Engineer
Codify Pty Ltd
Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
189 363
V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact


Re: DDD Melbourne - Ticket gone

2011-05-12 Thread David Burstin
Sorry folks (except one of you), the ticket is gone.

On 13 May 2011 13:34, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I can't go anymore, so I have a FREE ticket to give away for DDD Melbourne
 on 28th of May (normally $25).

 Goes to the first reply I get in my inbox.

 Please only take the ticket if you will DEFINITELY use it.

 Cheers
 Dave



Re: JetBrains enters the .NET decompilation business

2011-05-12 Thread Greg Kennedy
The JetBrains one is probably a stand alone version of what they seem to
have planned for resharper 6. -
http://blogs.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2011/02/resharper-6-bundles-decompiler-free-standalone-tool-to-follow/

Decompiler built into a tool which so many developers already use could
spell the beginning of the end for Reflector unless they keep inovating
which they won't if the free one remains stagnant.

Greg

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.comwrote:

 All these alternatives, still love Reflector, JetBrains one looks
 pretty crap in terms of usability and flow, the Telerik one is a good
 competition so is the ILSpy one, interesting point, Telerik and ILSpy
 both leverage the Mono Cecil library for the magic, but doesn't seem
 like JetBrains do.

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Geoff Appleby geoff.appl...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  There's also an open source one floating around now too.
  http://www.ilspy.net/
 
  On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Stephen Price 
 step...@littlevoices.com
  wrote:
 
  Just to note on that that RedGate have had a reversal in their
  decision to not provide a free version.
  Short version is there will be a free version that won't get further
  updates, which I'm assuming will not be timebombed.
 
  Jetbrains and Telerik have released decompilers. Competition is a good
  thing. I'm betting RedGate wished they kept things as they were. It's
  like when a super hero creates their evil nemissis in a tragic
  accident in a chemical lab. Hmm my spider-sense is tingling... I think
  David is going green about this thread springing up again. ;)
 
  On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Joseph Clark jcl...@atlassian.com
  wrote:
   For those who haven't seen it, looks like the RedGate debacle has
 given
   some
   room for others to try and muscle in on the business. JetBrains
   (ReSharper,
   et al.) have released a new decompiler product for C#:
   http://www.jetbrains.com/decompiler/
  
  
  
 
 
 
  --
  Geoff Appleby
  Blog: http://www.crankygoblin.com/geoff
  Twitter: http://twitter.com/g_appleby
  Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/geoff.appleby
 



Govt .net jobs?

2011-05-12 Thread Winston Pang
For a nice little friday discussion, I was wondering, where someone
would actually go to look for full time govt based jobs in the .NET
area? Actualy, do they even exist? I'm talking about Sydney based
ones.


Re: [OT] Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition

2011-05-12 Thread mike smith
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote:
 Greg Keogh wrote:

 Oh well, it seems that the Harris price is on the low end for SAO MSDN
 Premium with VS2010, so I've begrudgingly paid for the upgrade so I can get
 the Office and Expression suites and kits on top of the SDKs, DBs and OSs
 (I'm begrudged because for the same price I can get a week long holiday on
 5-star private island resort in Fiji). The subscription is petty cash for a
 large company, but it hurts a bit when you're a one man business. However my
 wife reminded me that it's a tax deduction so I would feel better -- Greg


 What about our Fiji.NET 1.5 week conference at the Hyatt Suva, where we have
 daily development talks situated at the bar in the swimming pool?

Is there an extended conference?  I can feel an attack of stupidity coming on :)


 :))
 --
 Les Hughes
 l...@datarev.com.au




-- 
Meski

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills


Re: [OT] Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition

2011-05-12 Thread Grant Molloy
Maybe the local MS Vendor could come up with a special on MSDN subscriptions
and offer an extended service from FIJI...


On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote:

 Greg Keogh wrote:

 Oh well, it seems that the Harris price is on the low end for SAO MSDN
 Premium with VS2010, so I've begrudgingly paid for the upgrade so I can get
 the Office and Expression suites and kits on top of the SDKs, DBs and OSs
 (I'm begrudged because for the same price I can get a week long holiday on
 5-star private island resort in Fiji). The subscription is petty cash for a
 large company, but it hurts a bit when you're a one man business. However my
 wife reminded me that it's a tax deduction so I would feel better -- Greg


 What about our Fiji.NET 1.5 week conference at the Hyatt Suva, where we
 have daily development talks situated at the bar in the swimming pool?

 :))
 --

 Les Hughes
 l...@datarev.com.au