RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as cited, there was plenty of people informed who thought it would be an upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references to what made your guess informed. Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so shocked anymore ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |yeah, so i said what i said... rumours | |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have been |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not |be happening | |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way but |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else | | | |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like | dead donkey), | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | Yes this is what you said: | |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people |seem | to so upset, | everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while | would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update | wp7 device to | wp8 | | To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns | about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't | be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was | speculation both ways. | | I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP | between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them | probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps | until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | | |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the | |argumet | | | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, | | | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself | | | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I | read/saw/listened | |to a year+ ago | | | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they | |are | going to | |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all | running the | |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the | abilities/features | |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity | |stuff | etc | |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe | |this | will be | |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if | |it is | correct i | |don't know | | | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their | |box | | | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice | |cover | and claim | |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory | |in | china with, | |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers | | | | | | | | | | | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy | |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au | wrote: | | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, | | and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia | | would be upgradable to win8 | | | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. | | Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when | | there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: | | http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-ge | | t-a | | pollo | | | | Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that | | it would upgrade. | | | | And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 | | running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any | | speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. | | | | But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim | | people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. | | Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average | | consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a | | Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. |
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as cited, there was plenty of people informed who thought it would be an upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references to what made your guess informed. Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so shocked anymore ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |yeah, so i said what i said... rumours | |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have been |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not |be happening | |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way but |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else | | | |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like | dead donkey), | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | Yes this is what you said: | |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people |seem | to so upset, | everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while | would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update | wp7 device to | wp8 | | To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns | about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't | be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was | speculation both ways. | | I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP | between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them | probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps | until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | | |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the | |argumet | | | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, | | | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself | | | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I | read/saw/listened | |to a year+ ago | | | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they | |are | going to | |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all | running the | |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the | abilities/features | |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity | |stuff | etc | |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe | |this | will be | |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if | |it is | correct i | |don't know | | | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their | |box | | | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice | |cover | and claim | |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory | |in | china with, | |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers | | | | | | | | | | | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy | |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au | wrote: | | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, | | and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia | | would be upgradable to win8 | | | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. | | Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when | | there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: | | http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-ge | | t-a | | pollo | | | | Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that | | it would upgrade. | | | | And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 | | running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any | | speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. | | | | But I think the key point I'm
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
but i am glad you scoured the complete internet and analisyed everything as I said before the podcast I listen to has a guy who has mates in the phone team, he has been saying for months and months he did not think would be able to upgrade and offered many reasons... so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in the supermarket On 27 June 2012 13:42, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as cited, there was plenty of people informed who thought it would be an upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references to what made your guess informed. Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so shocked anymore ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |yeah, so i said what i said... rumours | |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have been |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not |be happening | |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way but |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else | | | |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like | dead donkey), | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | Yes this is what you said: | |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people |seem | to so upset, | everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while | would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update | wp7 device to | wp8 | | To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns | about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't | be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was | speculation both ways. | | I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP | between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them | probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps | until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | | |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the | |argumet | | | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, | | | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself | | | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I | read/saw/listened | |to a year+ ago | | | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they | |are | going to | |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all | running the | |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the | abilities/features | |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity | |stuff | etc | |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe | |this | will be | |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if | |it is | correct i | |don't know | | | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their | |box | | | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice | |cover | and claim | |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory | |in | china with, | |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers | | | | | | | | | | | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy | |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au | wrote: | | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, | | and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia | | would be upgradable to win8 | | | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. | | Let's jump forward a couple
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Hi David Thiessen, |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in |the supermarket | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? over a telephone??? I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi David Thiessen, |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in |the supermarket | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Why don't you two get a room? :) In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at home in the draw somewhere. Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news. As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. And Go. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? over a telephone??? I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi David Thiessen, |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in |the supermarket | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
your, not you're :) Mike On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: No you're face is a chicken. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: Why don't you two get a room? :) In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at home in the draw somewhere. Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news. As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. And Go. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? over a telephone??? I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi David Thiessen, |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in |the supermarket | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to make |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't think |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a draw |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you are |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) and no |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at home |in the draw somewhere. | |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will take. I'm |kinda stunned that's news. | |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't care. It's |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking about |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. | |And Go. | |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? | | you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? | | over a telephone??? | | I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks | | | On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | | Hi David Thiessen, | | |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think | |it | is | | | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not | |buy him a | lollie in | |the supermarket | | | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | | | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe | | | Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss | this face to face feel free to email me directly at | b...@totalenviro.com | |
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Damn you. You had to bring my face into it and make it personal! On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: No you're face is a chicken. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Why don't you two get a room? :) In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at home in the draw somewhere. Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news. As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. And Go. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? over a telephone??? I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi David Thiessen, |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in |the supermarket | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to make |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't think |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a draw |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you are |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) and no |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at home |in the draw somewhere. | |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will take. I'm |kinda stunned that's news. | |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't care. It's |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking about |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. | |And Go. | |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? | | you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? | | over a telephone??? | | I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks | | | On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | | Hi David Thiessen, | | |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think | |it | is | | | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not | |buy him a | lollie in | |the supermarket | | | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i
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you're face is a chicken :) --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: your, not you're :) Mike On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: No you're face is a chicken. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Why don't you two get a room? :) In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at home in the draw somewhere. Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news. As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. And Go. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? over a telephone??? I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi David Thiessen, |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in |the supermarket | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
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What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't |have to make |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I |don't think |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in |a draw |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing |(if you are |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of |the contract |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the |option to |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old |then phones |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay |elsewhere) and no |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I |have at home |in the draw somewhere. | |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that |will take. I'm |kinda stunned that's news. | |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I |don't care. It's |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp |breath, and |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people |walking about |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. | |And Go. | |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? | | you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? | | over a telephone??? | | I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks | | | On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy
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For Microsoft it will hurt phone sales. Depending how well WinRT tablets sell will be the pre-curser to the phone moving again. I think it will be a bit of a mixed bag with Windows 8. There'll probably be some push back from desktop based environments, but the exception to that will be businesses using a lot of devices where the phone and tablet do a make a compelling reason to standardise on the platform. With Windows 8, again a lot of people think Microsoft could have made it a lot better experience for Windows users without sacrificing any of the immersive experience for tablet users. For Windows Phone 8, many also think Microsoft could have done a lot better job. The Windows 8 core should however, combined with the negative feedback they've got on the lack of upgrade, really make it a lot less likely the same mistakes will be made again. As to the discussion on this list, I think it would have been over long ago if it weren't for some claiming everyone should have known better, or others claiming it was okay due to starving people elsewhere in the world ;) It would have been nice to see some technical discussion as to what the hurdles are to providing the upgrade to existing devices. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 9:25 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they |abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my |laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It |actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere |saying to bad, I'm on my own there. | |My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I |could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of |their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it |work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? | |I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be |the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. | |The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on |this list or go and do something about it? | |Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) | |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | Hi Stephen, | | Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months | or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm | pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the | length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a | current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in | that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect | to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates | of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence | you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been | all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also | moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy |II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. | | Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of | my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend | to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. | It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be | worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the | new devices out the better. | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price | |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | | | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't | |have to | make | |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. | |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I | |don't | think | |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer | improved | |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in | |a | draw | |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing | |(if you | are | |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of | |the | contract | |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the | |option | to | |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old | |then | phones | |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay | |elsewhere) | and no | |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | | | |I, for example, have
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HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't |have to make |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I |don't think |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in |a draw |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing |(if you are |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of |the contract |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the |option to |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old |then phones |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay |elsewhere) and no |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I |have at home |in the draw somewhere. | |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that |will take. I'm |kinda stunned that's news. | |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I |don't care. It's |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp |breath, and |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people |walking about |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. | |And Go. | |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | what you not happy
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hehe. found it. I should apologise to HP, it is actually a Toshiba Pocket PC e740. (which is why Toshiba is also on my shit list.). I did own a Palm III before the Toshiba, had no probs with that for what it was. Black and white device. Maybe I should be pissed at Microsoft that it won't run Windows 8? They didn't think this through did they? You'll probably tell me that Windows 8 will install on the Toshiba yeah? awesome... That *would* be impressive! On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't |have to make |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I |don't think |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in |a draw |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing |(if you are |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of |the contract |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the |option to |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old |then phones |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay |elsewhere) and no |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I |have at home |in the draw somewhere. | |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that |will take. I'm |kinda stunned that's news. | |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I |don't care. It's |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp
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Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something that old. So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows Phone? Odd Disclaimer: I work for HP Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't |have to make |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I |don't think |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a |newer improved |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up |in a draw |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing |(if you are |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of |the contract |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the |option to |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old |then phones |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay |elsewhere) and no |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I |have at home |in
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Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing support where I have a choice. I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up about it. Disclaimer: I'm human. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something that old. So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows Phone? Odd Disclaimer: I work for HP Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June
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Apparently XP printer drivers for LJ1000 work in Vista :) http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/itprovistaprinting/thread/9 0bbd29f-6ab8-4192-8bbc-923558781cb5/ http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Printer-All-in-One-Software/HP-Laserjet-1000-to -work-under-VISTA-OS-or-replace-drivers/td-p/313905 HTH Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing support where I have a choice. I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up about it. Disclaimer: I'm human. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something that old. So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows Phone? Odd Disclaimer: I work for HP Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone
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No, Bill wrong again read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for months after they used to wipe the floor becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again, you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not your problem? lol ;) and if you read what i posted on this subject and what I said, you have no case period, if you like it or not you seem to think you can just imply someone is lying about things becuase they looked/read/listened to different information than you obviouly have and came up with a different conclusion Not a lot to discuss, the phone is not upgradable, thats it if you are upset about it, thats fine... but no need to vent your anger on me, I am not Microsoft On 27 June 2012 19:24, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing support where I have a choice. I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up about it. Disclaimer: I'm human. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something that old. So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows Phone? Odd Disclaimer: I work for HP Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps
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p.s. i was not picking any fights if you care to read back but nice attempt at a smear On 27 June 2012 19:55, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: No, Bill wrong again read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for months after they used to wipe the floor becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again, you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not your problem? lol ;) and if you read what i posted on this subject and what I said, you have no case period, if you like it or not you seem to think you can just imply someone is lying about things becuase they looked/read/listened to different information than you obviouly have and came up with a different conclusion Not a lot to discuss, the phone is not upgradable, thats it if you are upset about it, thats fine... but no need to vent your anger on me, I am not Microsoft On 27 June 2012 19:24, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing support where I have a choice. I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up about it. Disclaimer: I'm human. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something that old. So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows Phone? Odd Disclaimer: I work for HP Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They Aww. (cries) abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. You mean the printers that rely on most of their s/w functionality being in the computer, rather than PS or PDL in the printer? My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I've got a 10.1 Samsung, possibly I don't want ICS if it makes it unstable. If Samsung introduce it, I guess I'll go for it. I wouldn't buy that size again, it's uncomfortable size to use as a ebook. I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. Sniff. speak for yourself :) The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to make |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't think |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a draw |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you are |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) and no |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at home |in the draw somewhere. | |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will take. I'm |kinda stunned that's news. | |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't care. It's |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking about |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. | |And Go. | |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | what you not happy
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. Want one for spares? snipt old emails -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.comwrote: No, Bill wrong again read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for months after they used to wipe the floor becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. As opposed to a party that thinks policy is saying no. i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again, you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not your problem? lol ;) Supporter? No, but I would argue that she represents the lesser of two evils. S -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
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so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next time but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT? On 27 June 2012 21:48, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.comwrote: No, Bill wrong again read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for months after they used to wipe the floor becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. As opposed to a party that thinks policy is saying no. i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again, you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not your problem? lol ;) Supporter? No, but I would argue that she represents the lesser of two evils. S -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
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I thought this was ozdotnet, not ozdotpolitics. Anyway, if you want to argue politics, at least have some statistics to back it up. You wouldn't write code that accepted unverified input to produce an output would you? So why expect anything less of anyway else. /peace out Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:13 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next time but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT? much snippage /
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You dont write code like that? ... umm.. oh crap, i'm doing it wrong :D hehehe Yeah, maybe its time to call Time of Thread Death on this one. Watching you guys haggle this out via forum with nobody from Microsoft jumping in to clarify is like watching two mullet bogans at a bathurst track arguing over Ford vs Holden. It doesn't matter which is right, you just can't but help stare at the mullets. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I thought this was ozdotnet, not ozdotpolitics. ** ** Anyway, if you want to argue politics, at least have some statistics to back it up. You wouldn’t write code that accepted unverified input to produce an output would you? So why expect anything less of anyway else.** ** ** ** /peace out ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:13 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced ** ** so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next time but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT? much snippage /
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Yes this thread will not be upgradable to future versions of this list... Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 8:52 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced You dont write code like that? ... umm.. oh crap, i'm doing it wrong :D hehehe Yeah, maybe its time to call Time of Thread Death on this one. Watching you guys haggle this out via forum with nobody from Microsoft jumping in to clarify is like watching two mullet bogans at a bathurst track arguing over Ford vs Holden. It doesn't matter which is right, you just can't but help stare at the mullets. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I thought this was ozdotnet, not ozdotpolitics. Anyway, if you want to argue politics, at least have some statistics to back it up. You wouldn't write code that accepted unverified input to produce an output would you? So why expect anything less of anyway else. /peace out Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:13 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next time but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT? much snippage /
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Bill, I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. You can pay extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the draw getting a phone on contract. The ACCC tried to enforce it, but the ACCC didn't have a leg to stand on. As for the commentary on whether 1st 2nd gen handsets would get the update, let's have a discussion about this. Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 new device for a minute. The silicon running that device is 2+ years old, single core, no expandable memory, 16GB of flash, with 512MB of RAM. As for the reason why existing devices couldn't be upgraded, you only need to look at the Shared Core features to realise that WP8 Core has been re-written from the ground up. Basically putting existing gen 1 gen 2 device manufacturers Microsoft in a position, where they need to create new bootloaders to support Secure Boot bitlocker encryption, even if they could magically do that, they've then got to repartition the NAND which stores the OS, RIL firmware, and even the separate update partition. Try bundling that up into an update and pushing it out to existing devices. Short answer is you can't. To repartition the NAND you need to supply a complete device image (FFU), inside the FFU the partition maps are picked up by updatewp aka Zune and your device is repartitioned ready for the update. One little tidbit, you've just lost your ENTIRE OS image, data, SMS messages and the Plants vs Zombie saved games you were hanging onto because you'd gotten past the first level. And we all know that you can't backup anything with WP7+ devices :) Now that you've got a device image, you have one, there are 15+ devices out there, each device has the possibility of having a DIFFERENT image for each Mobile Operator, with 300+ MO's out there, you are looking at creating 4500+ complete device images. Do you have any idea how long it takes to create complete device images? Even once you've created one, the MO needs to TEST the image, they find an issue, it's sent back to the handset maker to fix, if it's Microsoft issue, then it goes back up the chain to fix a core issue, then another image is created, and you repeat the process, over over over again. Miraculously the MO's have tested and approved the update, you have to cross your fingers, legs, toes basically anything else when the END USERS are performing a COMPLETE device re-flash. If there was one little stuff up, the user failed to download the update correctly, user was updating his/her device with a shitty 3rd party microUSB cable, they've now got a brick, a brick that can't be recovered. The only possibility of a recover is if they didn't stuff up the bootloader flash, which is generally the first thing that gets flashed, which if something was to go wrong, is the first thing to break. Even having the ability to JTAG a device, it won't recover it (if you are lucky to have a device that it's JTAG isn't locked). Now, you've got a bricked device, that's out of warranty, but bricked because Microsoft the Handset manufacturers decided to push down an update, even though you ticked a million boxes saying updating it was your fault, the end user still has a whinge, complains to 10+ people about shitty company X Y because they bricked their phone, they'll also complain to the MO and most likely move to another carrier. If the update was somehow successful, how many people was that end user tell and phrase Microsoft to? Your answer is 1-2. But you are still going to whinge about losing your Plants vs Zombie game saves! Now you've got a commercial issue which is really a cluster f**k of a decision and I've got no idea on how they make those. Make sense? -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 9:13 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there
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Hi Bill, Have you actually read it? Telstra has decided to do what's right and fair for consumers, and has been negotiating with manufacturers to bring in warranty periods that last for the length of a consumer's contract They key word, negotiating. If you want the 24 month warranty, you need to PAY for that extra feature if the handset manufacturer doesn't offer the 24 month policy. HTC do. http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile-phones/premium-care-mobile-insurance/?red=/mobile/premium-care-mobile-insurance.html Nice little bit about the Excluding Apple scenario. Bet the iFanBoys aren't crying about it. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:05 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced HI Chris, |I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for |the length |of the contracts | |Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract |they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. ACCC issues warning to telcos: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/924924 Telstra takes steps to strengthen warranties: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/950648/fromItemId/142 Optus provides 24 month warranties: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/966482 Vodafon: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/909293/fromItemId/142 |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 9:22 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Bill, | |I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for |the length |of the contracts | |Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract |they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. You |can pay |extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the |draw getting a phone on contract. The ACCC tried to enforce it, but |the ACCC didn't |have a leg to stand on. | |As for the commentary on whether 1st 2nd gen handsets would get the update, |let's have a discussion about this. | |Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 new device for a minute. The |silicon running that device is 2+ years old, single core, no expandable memory, |16GB of flash, with 512MB of RAM. | |As for the reason why existing devices couldn't be upgraded, you only |need to |look at the Shared Core features to realise that WP8 Core has been re-written |from the ground up. Basically putting existing gen 1 gen 2 device |manufacturers Microsoft in a position, where they need to create new |bootloaders to support Secure Boot bitlocker encryption, even if |they could |magically do that, they've then got to repartition the NAND which |stores the OS, |RIL firmware, and even the separate update partition. Try bundling |that up into |an update and pushing it out to existing devices. Short answer is you can't. To |repartition the NAND you need to supply a complete device image (FFU), inside |the FFU the partition maps are picked up by updatewp aka Zune and |your device |is repartitioned ready for the update. One little tidbit, you've just |lost your |ENTIRE OS image, data, SMS messages and the Plants vs Zombie saved |games you were hanging onto because you'd gotten past the first level. |And we all know |that you can't backup anything with WP7+ devices :) | |Now that you've got a device image, you have one, there are 15+ devices |out there, each device has the possibility of having a DIFFERENT image |for each Mobile Operator, with 300+ MO's out there, you are looking at |creating 4500+ |complete device images. Do you have any idea how long it takes to |create complete device images? Even once you've created one, the MO |needs to TEST the image, they find an issue, it's sent back to the |handset maker to fix, if it's |Microsoft issue, then it goes back up the chain to fix a core issue, |then another |image is created, and you repeat the process, over over over again. | |Miraculously the MO's have tested and approved the update, you have to cross |your fingers, legs, toes basically anything else when the END USERS |are performing a COMPLETE device re-flash. If there was one little |stuff up, the user |failed to download the update correctly, user was updating his/her |device with a |shitty 3rd party microUSB cable, they've now got a brick, a brick that can't be |recovered. The only possibility of a recover is if they didn't stuff |up the |bootloader flash, which is generally the first thing that gets flashed, which if |something was to go wrong, is the first thing to break. Even having |the ability to |JTAG a device, it won't recover it (if you are lucky to have a device |that it's JTAG |isn't locked). | |Now, you've
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On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.comwrote: Hmmm, Microsoft, can you say bridesmaid ? :) But it has to run Android :-P Really, that doesn't matter. What matters is that you can pick it up and use it easily, and that it has a large app market. iOS and Android both qualify here, W8, probably will soon. When there's a tablet available that runs it? -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
