Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Petition
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Petition Thanks Debby and Justine Thanks for the advice, we have collected well over 100 signatures petitioning for VBAC to be accepted into Birth Centres. It is all the more urgent now that Flinders Med. have made a reversal of this right for vbac women 8 weeks ago. We have women who were going to birth in the birth centre up until they were 30+ weeks and have been told, no sorry you are not eligible and now you have the pleasure of labouring with continues ctg, bung inserted and restrictions on nutrional intake (water only?). So our little petition was just an idea, to try and get WCH to accept vbac, but now it is appearing to be imperative. Something about these new perinatal protocols? We hadn't considered presenting the petition to parliament it was just the hospitals were our focus, but I think we need to possibly change the petition we have to incorporate this. I have heard that it is very depressing to hear parliament read out the multitudes of petitions, but one of our most successful petitions was the Women's Suffrage petition of 1894 in SA so there is hope. Any opinions on whether it is worth approaching parliament? Thanks again, anyone who has our petition please hold off on getting it signed. Carolyn CARES SA Justine Caines wrote: Jan and Jo (and anyone else who wants to raise petitions eg. in support of NMAP), Don't know if you have seen this site but you can easily raise online petitions here at no cost. http://www.petitionpetition.com/literature/freepetitions/index.html Debby Debby and all Just some advice on petitions, if one wants the petition to be tabled in any parliament then you must conform with the particular parliaments conventions on petitons (you need to say dumb stuff like I pray etc etc. I did not see the posting on what the petition is about but its just useful advice, especially in these new times of NMAP and being in governments face about the lack of midwife care. The Federal Government has a petitions officer in the tables office and information could be obtained by the Clerk in State Parliaments. Because if the correct words are not adhered to it cannot be tabled, typical bureaucracy!!. Hope this helps Justine Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here http://g.msn.com/1HM1ENAU/c152??PI=44314 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Language
Does anyone know the first tiem the term confinement was used to describe childbirth? Thanks Sally
Re: [ozmidwifery] Language
not sure about the first time, but it probably came from the south east asian custom of the 40 days of confinement of the mother... or the 'mother roasting' custom. Jo Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
Re: [ozmidwifery] News from the Prix Italia!
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] News from the Prix Italia! On 23/9/02 3:04 PM, Aviva Sheb'a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friends, colleagues and family, It's with great excitement I'm informing you that my radio play, Soft of Hearing, received a Special Mention in the Radio Drama category of the Prix Italia, judged in Palermo, Italy, last week! In case you didn't know, Soft of Hearing was based on my book manuscript, This is a War Zone, Baby -- Improvise! and was produced by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's Radio National; broadcast around Australia in May this year. It was one of 7 entries which were praised as part of the rich treasury of entries in this particular category. The winner for original drama was Brick from Croatia, and the winner of adapted drama was Aura from Japan. For anyone in Adelaide (or who plant to come to Adelaide) I'm doing one performance of my stage show, This is a War Zone, Baby -- Improvise! on Friday October 18th at Nexus Cabaret, Lion Arts Centre, Adelaide. As in the performances in Fringe 2000, I'll be backed by Hung Phan and the band, No See Dolly. The new lead singer/violinist with No See Dolly is an eighteen year-old lass, Juliet Hunter, who will add a gorgeous dimension to the show. If you'd like more details, please email me. Link to my web site: http://www.chariot.net.au/~aviva My very best wishes to you all, and my you all be as happy as I am today!! Aviva All the best for your show Aviva .. Hope it will be just as successful as the launch of NMAP. Ill pass this on to my son-in-law as he has family in Adelaide. Regards Jan Robinson
Re: [ozmidwifery] Senate Inquiry into childbirth procedures 1999
I just have to find it on my discs! It was basically to say that where there was increased midwifery input into care in a private hospital, outcomes could be improved. My Prof Doctorate is the story of a maternity unit I set up in 1997-98. It has been running for almost 5 years now and the outcomes are good - very good compared to prvate hospitals across the country generally. They could be better, and we will work on that, but we are also not immune to the insurance crisis and I feel it has certainly made an impact on the way doctors view and provide care. My research (when I can get it to happen!) relates to the model of care, the outcomes, and whether the model could be exported to other units. Anyway, I will look through my discs tonight and find the file, and email it to you. I wrote it three years ago, and haven't read it since then, so it's possible some of the views I express may have changed with the experiences of the past three years. No one contacted us (apart from a letter of thanks from the govt), so I assume they were not particularly interested in what we had to say, but it was worth a shot - the fact that the unit was very new may have had something to do with it too The sad thing is that nothing has been acted on apart from the ultrasound issue - and I would hazard a guess that was only because the govt could save some quick (and big) dollars by making the change. Lesley Barclay would also be a good person to contact. She holds the Professorial Chair in Midwifery at UTS in Sydney, but it out of the country every time you blink! Time for me to get ready for work! Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Alphia Garrety [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Senate Inquiry into childbirth procedures 1999 Hi Lynne, can I have a copy of that submission? Trying to get a better handle of these transcripts- they are driving me slightly insane :-) Thanks Alphia At 07:40 PM 23/09/02 +1000, you wrote: I sent in a submission on behalf of the unit where I work, if that helps, Alphia.. - Original Message - From: Alphia Garrety [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Senate Inquiry into childbirth procedures 1999 Hi everyone, I was wondering if any of you were involved in the Inquiry into childbirth practices that was held Australia wide in 1999. I am currently analysing the transcripts and am looking for some of the reports that were submitted. Also, I am interested in speaking or corresponing with any of you who took part to get your overall feeling of what happened at the Inquiry. If anyone can help me I would really appreciate it. Thanks Take care Alphia Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] test
Title: Message Sue McKee (Director of Nursing). We are also a Supervised Practice centre for QNC if that helps - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Fantastic. Who do I contact? - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test You would be welcome at Selangor, Marilyn! - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test I have to complete 114 hours of supervised practice first. Mareeba Hospital (which is an approved supervision site) has agreed to do the supervision, I have to have the paper work processed through Queensland Nursing Council first, so the authorisation is still in process. It will happen in the next few weeks. Because it is still in process I was keeping it off list, but yes, it is happening. So, where will I work? I really don't know, I am still reconnecting.At this momentI am open, but probably somewhere north of Townsville. marilyn - Original Message - From: Jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Wow! Great news for QLD. Marilyn, where do you think you'll work? Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Dear Marilyn I understand congratulations are in order Qld is to gain a dedicated direct entry midwfe whilst NSW missed out Denise - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test I am getting your messages and the posters arrived. Lovely. marilyn - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] test I just realized I havn't got any ozmid for a week, so just testing if others are getting my messages... can someone send me a message at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to confirm. ta. Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn KleidonSent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BMJ Stories Mg Sulphate is routinely used in Hospitals at least in Washington state and California in the USA for PE. It is one of the drugs I was licensed to carry in case of PE. I don't know of any midwife who ever used it but we all carried it. We did have one mum who we transferred for exhaustion and prolonged labour who ended up with HELLP syndrome a couple of hours after admission. She had Mag sulphate IV and went on to have a spontaneous vaginal birth and the mag suphate made her feel yucky but really managed the complication well. marilyn ps with hindsight, we were very glad we had all decided to make the transfer, she had no signs of rising BP until we got to the hospital, and still it wasn't bad, the OB on call just did some liver function tests to be sure (and apologised for doing them) and was very surprised with the results. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BMJ Stories
Re: [ozmidwifery] Chronic Fatigue and Pregnancy
We admitted a woman last week about 10 days postnatal with mastitis and some breastfeeding difficulties. She had had a homebirth and she said that it it gone very well. She said that she just slept between contractions and that was how she was able to cope with the physical work of labour - said she could cope with most things as long as she could take her time and rest along the way. She was struggling much more with the physical work of caring for the baby - the demanding and relentless nature of it. She was unable to carry the baby or hold it for very long. Her partner was very supportive and was doing most of the physical work and was planning to be a full time carer. They were also going to see if they could get some homehelp. Sorry there's not much wisdom here for you. The best thing we were able to do was support her breastfeeding - at least that is quality parenting that she could do lying down! Sandra - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Chronic Fatigue and Pregnancy Have people had experience of birthing with women with severe chronic fatigue. I'd love to hear your wisdom. Sally Westbury -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats
It's very quiet out there... hope everyone is well?? Alec weighed in at 19lb 10oz, or 8.9kg at his 6 days earlier than 6mo weigh-in on Wednesday. He is heavier than Nick and 1cm longer, but with a littler head! Clinic sister astounded to learn it was all breast and no solids. She referred us to an optometrist for his head tilt (he holds his head tilted to the left periodically - I had already taken him to the doctor to have torticollis ruled out), and optometrist says tilt is not to do with his eyes as they align well in all directions. Tilt may be purely behavioural - we shall see... Thinking about introducing solids, and bought a jar of babyfood in the supermarket today... was almost in tears (me, this is). What is wrong with me?? I'm so enjoying feeding him, and I know we have a long way to go still, but maybe I feel it's the earliest beginnings of weaning (or maybe I can't be bothered feeding him real food!!) Must make Fred make the scanner work and send a pic. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B at Birth
Hep B immunisation at birth was introduced in May 2000 for all babies. When we were getting inservice prior to the introduction of the new schedule we were told another recommendation of the advisory body was that flu vax was recommended for all pregnant women! It wasn't included on the "free" list and so wasn't being pushed at that time but we were told that this would be the next step! Just keeps getting scarier and scarier doesn't it? Sandra - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B at Birth I nearly fell off my chair when I read about Hep B at Birth. It occurred to me long ago that if you bombard a baby's immune system with foreign bodies before it even has a chance to develop, surely it will go haywire. I had the opportunity of bailing up Dr. Adrian Baume (I think I have the name right), then (don't know about now) head of the federal government's health body that was pushing compulsory vaccinations against everything possible -- at the same congress where I delivered the paper on mothers, babies, weight gain and subsequent self-image. I asked him if this bombardment could be connected with immune problems later in life. The answer? Shuffling of well-studied feet and oh I must run, I'm late, goodbye. My son became asthmatic at the age of 4 -- when I succumbed to pressure and had him immunised with MMR. I think we need to spend squillions on researching a condom that fits over the entire baby in utero, so it will be born in a safe environment. Aviva in disbelief, dismay and disgust. - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B at Birth Hear hear!!! Well said Denise!!! I actually had a 'discussion' recently with a mum who said she was happy her baby had hep B at birth -(i told her about 2of my kids being rescusitated after vaccinations -one as an infant and one 19 year old who had cut his hand on rusty iron at work - the others remain unvaccinated)it is insurance she said --?? as protection against all those risky behaviours?? Perhaps they arevery advanced for their age!! Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B at Birth Go for it! Those babies will have to learn to stop those risky behaviours of unprotected sex, being bitten by and needle sharing with possible Hep B carriers then they won't need those risk free injections which our government is funding no questions asked!!!Denise
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B at Birth
We have certainly considered delaying the firstdose until discharge and some of the parentsalready elect to do that.It is still a major concern though if we are giving it just before we send them home and not observing the effects.We are in the process at the moment of working out how and when to observe the babes so we can make a clearer judgement about the effectand to furnish the sort of proof that would be needed to get the whole schedule reconsidered. Wehave always supported parents in their decision to refuse it altogether.We discuss the risks of their baby contracting Hep B with parents in the antenatal period and many parents make that informed decision not to have it. Many more though go along with it because they don't believe it would be recommended by the gov't if it was harmful! One of the midwives from our unitrecently attended a training session for immunisation endorsement andcame under attack by the Director of Public Health because our unit has a relatively low immunisation rate at birth - ours is not as low as 50% though so I guess we have a bench mark now! We'll have to see how low we can go! Sandra - Original Message - From: Vance Edwina To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Hep B at Birth We also give Hep B on d/c or with the day 3 stuff (weigh, cord clamp removal, etc). We have done this since the beginning of Hep B at birth, it would be interesting to see if the community midwives who visit post d/c have noticed any effect on b/f since Hep B introduction. Interestingly we only have about 50% of parents consenting to Hep B at birth it depends on which doctor they have! - Edwina -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lois WattisSent: Wednesday, 25 September 2002 10:49 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B at Birth Dear Sandra - what an interesting observation. Very thought provoking. I can only add that the hospital where I worked when the Hep.B. directive was received initially gave it at birth at the same time as the Vit. K (one in each leg, poor little mites). Then the paed. expressed concerns that it was a double whammy, and given before the babe has even been properly assessed/observed. The decision was made to give the Hep. B on discharge i.e. Day 2 or 3 for vaginal births, Day 5 C.S.(with parental consentof course), and to my knowledge that is what still happens in that hospital. Maybe it's a worthwhile strategy to consider, and continue to observe your babes as thoughtfully as you obviously do. Well done. I haven't given an IM Vit.K or Hep. B. since working in the Community. We give oral Vit. K if the parents want it at all, and the Hep. B is commenced at the 2 month immunisation visit if the parents decide to go with immunisation. If they want the Hep.B injection sooner they can go to their doctor. Best wishes, Lois From: Sandra J. Eales To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:56 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hep B at Birth Have been cogitating about this for a while and thought I would throw it out to the list to see if it rings any bells with anyone else out there. I work in a small unit where we tend to get to know the mother's and babies pretty well and follow their progress with interest. We have low intervention rates and low usage of intrapartum narcotics and have well established baby friendly breastfeeding practices. However I have been conscious for some time ofan increase in babies that display problems feeding day 2-3...babe's that feed well initially..but a day or 2 later and they don't seem to know what they are doing...uptight, irritable ..uncoordinated suck...some just downrightcranky and bordering on breast refusal. Initially I thought that it was perhaps just normal disinclination to feed whilst recovering from birth (perhaps a little cerebral oedema peaking 24 -48 hrs post birth related to molding) that had been compounded by mishandling by midwives and anxious mothers trying to force the babe to the breast when it wasn't ready and creating problems for the babe. Many of these babes though haven't had any obvious cause for the often extreme behaviour ie no excessive molding, or obvious birth trauma, no drugs in labour. I have been thinking for a while that I should do a bit of a research project to try and explain what I have been seeing, thenthinking about the timeframein which we have noticed these problems it suddenly dawned on me that the only real systemic change we have had has been the
Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats
Jo, Its so lovely to hear you so enjoying Alec. What a precious bond. You know, your tears are normal - mothers need to be weaned gently too! An osteopath may help the neck tilt. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jo Slamen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Midwifery List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats It's very quiet out there... hope everyone is well?? Alec weighed in at 19lb 10oz, or 8.9kg at his 6 days earlier than 6mo weigh-in on Wednesday. He is heavier than Nick and 1cm longer, but with a littler head! Clinic sister astounded to learn it was all breast and no solids. She referred us to an optometrist for his head tilt (he holds his head tilted to the left periodically - I had already taken him to the doctor to have torticollis ruled out), and optometrist says tilt is not to do with his eyes as they align well in all directions. Tilt may be purely behavioural - we shall see... Thinking about introducing solids, and bought a jar of babyfood in the supermarket today... was almost in tears (me, this is). What is wrong with me?? I'm so enjoying feeding him, and I know we have a long way to go still, but maybe I feel it's the earliest beginnings of weaning (or maybe I can't be bothered feeding him real food!!) Must make Fred make the scanner work and send a pic. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] has any one information
Rebecca, thanks for that information Cheryl - Original Message - From: Rebecca O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] has any one information It is not a website but you may like to talk to someone from the Young Parents Program at the Brisbane Royal Women's Hospital. Switch is 07 3636 8111 - hopefully they could put you through to the relevant people. Regards Rebecca. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of CHERYL JONES Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 1:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] has any one information has any one information as to which web site I can access for another essay I'm doing on adolscent mothers and breast feeding/ their babies. Or counselling/communicating with the adolscents mothers. has any one have any ideas? Many thanks Cheryl -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Fw: [ozmidwifery] has any one information
Jen, I've not seen Trish David's paper I'd be really interested to see it. many thanks Cheryl - Original Message - From: Jen Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] has any one information Hi Cheryl, I'm a student of Trish David actually just finished reading a paper she wrote on the adolescent pregnancy the midwife. A good paper that also had heaps of sources. I think Trish is on this list so she may respond. If she doesn't you still need help, email me I'll see if I can track her down for you. Good luck! Jen --- CHERYL JONES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has any one information as to which web site I can access for another essay I'm doing on adolscent mothers and breast feeding/ their babies. Or counselling/communicating with the adolscents mothers. has any one have any ideas? Many thanks Cheryl __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Chronic Fatigue and Pregnancy
Sandra This reminds me - unwell mothers with bubs are able to receive a nanny through centrelink in home care - it is FREE but it isnt publicised - mothers in Melbourne can go through International Nanny Services -apparently there are a few agencies around the country who are accredited to do assessments/ accept these clients. You can enquire through centrelink. Before I had James (my youngest ) at 39, I had been ill for 4 years with (supposedly) Chronic fatigue syndrome -It actually started with Thyroiditis triggered by a virus -but had all the symptoms -weak muscles/ just pegging washing on the line etc was an enormous task that made my arms ache and I had to pace myself/ rest often . When I became pregnant I remember thinkingnow I will die - I honestly thought I wouldnt be able to push a baby out. A friend just commented the other day how she had thought - that will be the end of Pinky I have no idea how pregnancy affected my body but I gradually became healthier and stronger during my pregnancy I had an eight year gap up to my next child so was able to rest a lot. -I actually think the hormones somehow triggered a better functioning thyroid even tho by then my readings had been within normal range for a while, so it may have been something different. My labour was short (about an hour and a half) and the older kids did lots of baby carrying etc .Ireligiously took vitamin supplements and rested lots but have never been back to that utterly awful debilitated state again - These days I am hardly able to believe I was ever so unwell, but I do appreciate my good health - and these days I LOVE a kinesiology tune up. I also wonder if this tiredness is sometimes due to things like thyroid function or depression. I didnt have any depression symptoms - sleeplessness / panic/ anxiety/ sadness/ low mood but one of our sons was diagnosed with chronic fatigue as he did his VCE and I took him for IV vitamin therapy (we nearly all starved to pay for it) I now wonder if he in fact had depression -he has since been diagnosed with bi-polar disorder - he went on to have some whacking great manias with slumps between - and his depression doesnt present with sadness, although anxiety/ fragility is often a part of it, along with exteme exhaustion. At the time the IV VItamins (B and C) did help as well as an allergy diet and zinc plus some other expensive supplements (I cant remember what as we got them from the doctor in powder form)-in fact his asthma reduced incredibly so there were benefits to the treatment (he was the only one fed formula in the nursery/ separated at birth etc etc -the other kids are devastatingly healthy). Pinky - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Chronic Fatigue and Pregnancy We admitted a woman last week about 10 days postnatal with mastitis and some breastfeeding difficulties. She had had a homebirth and she said that it it gone very well. She said that she just slept between contractions and that was how she was able to cope with the physical work of labour - said she could cope with most things as long as she could take her time and rest along the way. She was struggling much more with the physical work of caring for the baby - the demanding and relentless nature of it. She was unable to carry the baby or hold it for very long. Her partner was very supportive and was doing most of the physical work and was planning to be a full time carer. They were also going to see if they could get some homehelp. Sorry there's not much wisdom here for you. The best thing we were able to do was support her breastfeeding - at least that is quality parenting that she could do lying down! Sandra - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Chronic Fatigue and Pregnancy Have people had experience of birthing with women with severe chronic fatigue. I'd love to hear your wisdom. Sally Westbury -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Sorry - a mistake
Sorry for all I sent a message to Vicki to show her a picture of her Poster that I took here in Porto Alegre - Brasil I also sent the picture of the homebirth I helped 2 hours before. But I sent to Ozmidwifery, and I fear that it became a big message, because it has 4 photos... Sorry... It was supposed to go only to Vicki, but since I was so happy (and sleepy) I sent to you all... Anyway... enjoy it... Kisses Ric, from Brasil -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats
Hello Pinky and List, Pinky, thanks for your lovely message and the comment re osteopath. I do apologise though, as you all must think I'm such a gusher, I didn't mean to send this to Ozmid! I meant to send it to another list of breastfeeding, co-sleeping Mums that was started when we all got together from another baby website when all our 1st children were born in May '99. One press of the wrong button and I feel a twit! Red-faced Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] test
Title: Message Interesting, you weren't on the list I was sent. - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Sue McKee (Director of Nursing). We are also a Supervised Practice centre for QNC if that helps - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Fantastic. Who do I contact? - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test You would be welcome at Selangor, Marilyn! - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test I have to complete 114 hours of supervised practice first. Mareeba Hospital (which is an approved supervision site) has agreed to do the supervision, I have to have the paper work processed through Queensland Nursing Council first, so the authorisation is still in process. It will happen in the next few weeks. Because it is still in process I was keeping it off list, but yes, it is happening. So, where will I work? I really don't know, I am still reconnecting.At this momentI am open, but probably somewhere north of Townsville. marilyn - Original Message - From: Jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Wow! Great news for QLD. Marilyn, where do you think you'll work? Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Dear Marilyn I understand congratulations are in order Qld is to gain a dedicated direct entry midwfe whilst NSW missed out Denise - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test I am getting your messages and the posters arrived. Lovely. marilyn - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] test I just realized I havn't got any ozmid for a week, so just testing if others are getting my messages... can someone send me a message at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to confirm. ta. Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn KleidonSent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BMJ Stories Mg Sulphate is routinely used in Hospitals at least in Washington state and California in the USA for PE. It is one of the drugs I was licensed to carry in case of PE. I don't know of any midwife who ever used it but we all carried it. We did have one mum who we transferred for exhaustion and prolonged labour who ended up with HELLP syndrome a couple of hours after admission. She had Mag sulphate IV and went on to have a spontaneous vaginal birth and the mag suphate made her feel yucky but really managed the complication well. marilyn ps with hindsight, we were very glad we had all decided to make the transfer, she had no signs of rising BP until we got to the hospital, and still it wasn't bad, the OB on call
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Petition
Carolyn, Just a thought but something you may want to try. When I was trying to get the Birth Centre/midwifery care for Claire's birth I also contacted the Women's Legal Service to find out what the legal position of such policies were. Anyway it came back that the hospitals could basically make any policies they wanted but they still have to be careful to be able to justify their policies so as not to break any of the federal legislation. Given that (at the time anyway) there were still Birth Centres in Australia that would allow VBAC women the lawyer I spoke to seemed to think there would be a case for discrimination on the basis of disability. The argument went like this: A VBAC woman has a scar on her uterus and it is as a result of this scar that she is denied access to certain services. Thus she can be classified under the legislation as having an impairment. Discrimination against a person, where such discrimination cannot be adequately justified is illegal under the Disability Discrimination Act. If there are other Birth Centres in Australia that will allow VBAC deliveries and the one for which you are seeking entry does not then there is a good chance that you can raise a discrimination case against that hospital on the basis of the Act. I actually had letters from two other Birth Centres in Australia that said they would take VBAC women that I was going to use to place a claim of discrimination against RWH through HREOC (Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission). The lawyer also advised that a Ministerial could be entered for the discrimination claim(but I wasn't bothered with this as Wendy Edmonds office is about as useful as "tits on a bull" when it come to this sort of advocacy) or alternatively a private case could be raised but this would of course cost big dollars - so HREOC was going to be my only option. As it turned out RWH offered me a suitable compromise before I had submitted any claims or statements - but it may be something your ladies who want to use the Birth Centre may wish to consider. DebbyChat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats
Excuse me Jo, just a comment from a midwife out here. I don't think you could give your boy any food "realer" than breast milk. You are doing so well at this stage and both of you are obviously happy with breast feeding and Alex is thrivinghe will let you know when he wants something other than breast milk, so speaking from experience...enjoy while you can. Jenny From: "Jo Slamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Midwifery List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:56:49 +1000 It's very quiet out there... hope everyone is well?? Alec weighed in at 19lb 10oz, or 8.9kg at his 6 days earlier than 6mo weigh-in on Wednesday. He is heavier than Nick and 1cm longer, but with a littler head! Clinic sister astounded to learn it was all breast and no solids. She referred us to an optometrist for his head tilt (he holds his head tilted to the left periodically - I had already taken him to the doctor to have torticollis ruled out), and optometrist says tilt is not to do with his eyes as they align well in all directions. Tilt may be purely behavioural - we shall see... Thinking about introducing solids, and bought a jar of babyfood in the supermarket today... was almost in tears (me, this is). What is wrong with me?? I'm so enjoying feeding him, and I know we have a long way to go still, but maybe I feel it's the earliest beginnings of weaning (or maybe I can't be bothered feeding him real food!!) Must make Fred make the scanner work and send a pic. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
