[ozmidwifery] Melbourne Parent, Babies and Childrens Expo

[Andrea Bilcliff]

Hello,
If anyone out there is willing and able to h*lp out for a hour or 2 at the
Melbourne Parent, Babies and Children's Expo this weekend, Fri 25th to Sun
27th Oct 10am - 5pm, please can you call me on: 0415 196 741 or Anne Leahy
on: 0411 606 325. We have a table promoting choices in childbirth,
midwifery, Maternity Coalition etc.
It's a great way to see the show for free!
Thanks,
Andrea Bilcliff


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Oh what a night...

[Joy Cocks]

Dear Tania,
How beautiful.brings smiles to my face and warmth to my heart to
know you and other midwives like you are out there.
Love,
Joy

Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC
BRIGHT Vic 3741
email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: "Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 8:34
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oh what a night...


> I just wanted to share with the list that I attended the most amazing and
> special birth last night.  For those of you who don't know me (and that's
> probably most, as I'm a bit of a lurker here!) I'm a newly qualified
midwife
> (May last year), with 2 littlies of my own, and I've been practicing in
> partnership with another midwife here in Adelaide since April this year,
> attending women planning homebirths mainly in the Adelaide Hills area.
>
> Enough about me, yesterday morning I got a call from Wendy (the midwife)
and
> arrived at Jess's house at 6.30am, and after an extremely emotional, hard
> work, up and down, lots of walking, lots of sleeping, lots of swinging and
> swaying (we nearly resorted to KC and the sunshine band Vicki!), lots of
> yelling, lots of beconing this baby into the world kind of labour (where I
> think I carried the entire weight of my car in water), Jess had a lovely
> baby girl at 1120 last night, and 3 hours later, when the placenta decided
> it was good and ready, so were we (and Jess, believe me!).  She shared
this
> wonderful time with us, her partner and both sets of parents, who waited
> quietly down the other end of the house for what must have seemed an
> eternity before we gave them the signal that the baby was finally on its
> way.
>
> I've attended 4 births with Wendy, and each one teaches me something new,
> something I didn't even know I didn't know - if that makes any sense. (And
> there's plenty I don't know!!) It was such a hard and long journey for
Jess
> yesterday, and it was just such an amazing experience to be with another
> midwife who supported me, and the woman, and such a privilege to be there
> for such a powerful birth (which they all are, in different ways).
>
> Enough rambling, I've had a good 3 hours sleep, now to try and convince my
1
> year old that it's time to go back to bed!
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Tania
> x
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Seeking dopplers ...

[Jane Palmer]

Dear Sue

I quite like my doppler which I purchased from Huntleigh Diagnostics - I
purchased the Aqua Dopplex - waterproof probe - great for waterbirths. I
have this phone number (I hope it is still correct) 1800 072 040

Cheers

Jane Palmer

Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond
Caring, Professional Midwifery Services
Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au



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[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Sue Cookson
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 7:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Seeking dopplers ...


Hi all you northern midwives,
looking for a new doppler and finding the name of suppliers a bit difficult.
Anyone  able to help in the Brisbane area??


Or anyone out there with a doppler for sale??

Thanks,
Sue

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Canberra Birth Centre?

[Leanne Meddemmen]

Ho Monica 
Sorry this has taken so long in the replying. I have been privileged to be 
with some amazing women and families during their birthing. 
The primary midwifery teams (2 teams) have 4 midwives each . They have 
their "own" women and back each other up for annual leave, weekends off (one per 
month), sleeping etc. They provide the women pregnancy, labour and postnatal 
care (7-14 days) and also education sessions. They are on call 24/24 and work 
roughly 12/24 at one time without a break (OH&S) if some one is in labour. 
Though they may have worked during the day doing pregnancy care or postnatal 
visits. The fulltime Midwives have 4 women a month. This is decreased at annual 
leave times, 7 wks PA (worked out well in advance to help with booking families 
on the program), part time midwives have less families depending on what hours 
they work (some 3 days a week some 64 hrs f/n). Both teams have 2 fulltime 2 
part-time midwives.
Pregnancy care visits - initial @ 14-16/40, 20 with Obstetric Registrar, 
26/40 with GLT if having, 30/40, 33/40 primips or 34/40 multips, 36/40 primip, 
38/40 primip and multip and 40/40 primip and multip and 41/40 again for 
induction DISCUSSION and choices - IOL @ 41+3 or ultrasound for AFI & 
biophysical "profile" and await labour. Informed decision nothing 
mandatory.
We don't have exclusion criteria except major medical issues, though some 
women will birth in Delivery Suite "routinely" - Initial VBAC, twins, Induction 
with synto, vaginal breech birth (not common but do happen) PE with medication. 
Salary "package", reimbursement of work use of own vehicle, mobile phone 
provided, arranges own daily workload and keeping hours down if over because of 
long labour/birth. Women aware that visits may need to be rearranged at short 
notice.
Woman can choose their midwife if they have birthed before with them or we 
will ask them if they have birthed in the Birth Centre before, who cared for 
them and if they want to be with that Midwife again (if on PM teams) though some 
of the team midwives occasionally PM women they have been with, though harder to 
arrange as they have a 6 wk rotating roster.
Union involved in salary negotiation and what is now our award. Those who 
were on the Committee worked extremely hard and had alot of moments of 
frustration but kept at it. Think about what women want and work out what your 
Midwives can/will offer the women and work from there. We did a couple of 
Midwife surveys as well and also asked who wanted to do the Primary Model care. 
Please don't call it caseloading (poor connotations and language choice) One 
woman rang the Birth Centre wanting to speak to her Midwife as she was one of 
her CASES.
Hope this helps. If you need further info email me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) again 
or if you want ring the Birth Centre (02) 62443145.
Leanne ;o )

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Monica Hook 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 7:46 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Canberra Birth 
  Centre?
  
  


  
 
Hi Leanne,
I would be very interested in learning more about your primary 
midwifery model. I work in a tertiary referral hospital in Sydney and as 
a consequence of the GMT2 thing going on here we have been asked by 
the  Area Stream Director (a gynaecologist who has no connection in 
any way with obstetric practice) to develop proposals for midwifery led 
care. I feel quite out of my depth and though I'm on the committee I 
don't feel as if I can contribute much. It would be great to see how 
others have instituted such models. We have a long-standing Team 
Midwifery program but its long hours of rostering don't make it a  
viable proposition for most of our midwives. Not all of us are able to 
make ourselves available for 12 hour on call shifts etc. There must be 
other models running though, I'd love to hear how yours works, 
especially as a couple I looked after a few weeks ago described with a 
wealth of gratitude and nostalgia the wonderful birth experience they 
had had in Canberra with their last baby- obviously you are doing 
something right!
Many thanks, 
Monica---Original Message---
 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, 04 
October 2002 09:51:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 
[ozmidwifery] Canberra Birth Centre?
 
Hi Mary,
My name is Leanne and I am a Midwife at the 
Birth Centre at Canberra Hospital, we would love to see you and give you 
a gander around. The Birth Centre has a Primary Midwifery model and a 
team Mid model for women. I'm not sure about bookings in May. if you 
would like to email me ([EMAIL PROTECTED])   
and give me an address or ask specific questions I woul

RE: [ozmidwifery] Oh what a night...

[JanellePm]

Dear Tania
Love to hear more about the care you and Wendy are providing for women I also a 
midwife and live in the Adelaide Hills.If you have time my phone number is 82782212. 
thanks Janelle

"Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I just wanted to share with the list that I attended the most amazing and
>special birth last night.  For those of you who don't know me (and that's
>probably most, as I'm a bit of a lurker here!) I'm a newly qualified midwife
>(May last year), with 2 littlies of my own, and I've been practicing in
>partnership with another midwife here in Adelaide since April this year,
>attending women planning homebirths mainly in the Adelaide Hills area.
>
>Enough about me, yesterday morning I got a call from Wendy (the midwife) and
>arrived at Jess's house at 6.30am, and after an extremely emotional, hard
>work, up and down, lots of walking, lots of sleeping, lots of swinging and
>swaying (we nearly resorted to KC and the sunshine band Vicki!), lots of
>yelling, lots of beconing this baby into the world kind of labour (where I
>think I carried the entire weight of my car in water), Jess had a lovely
>baby girl at 1120 last night, and 3 hours later, when the placenta decided
>it was good and ready, so were we (and Jess, believe me!).  She shared this
>wonderful time with us, her partner and both sets of parents, who waited
>quietly down the other end of the house for what must have seemed an
>eternity before we gave them the signal that the baby was finally on its
>way.
>
>I've attended 4 births with Wendy, and each one teaches me something new,
>something I didn't even know I didn't know - if that makes any sense. (And
>there's plenty I don't know!!) It was such a hard and long journey for Jess
>yesterday, and it was just such an amazing experience to be with another
>midwife who supported me, and the woman, and such a privilege to be there
>for such a powerful birth (which they all are, in different ways).
>
>Enough rambling, I've had a good 3 hours sleep, now to try and convince my 1
>year old that it's time to go back to bed!
>
>Thanks for listening,
>
>Tania
>x
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[Dr Penelope A Barrett]

* Big Smile*

> I can show you some beautiful bougainvillias and other spectacular tress
> growing around Sydney where I know some home birth placentas were used
> wisely and not wasted.
> 
> Jan Robinson 
> 


PennyB.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[Dr Penelope A Barrett]

In the 70s and 80s, we used to rub the vernix into our hands after births -
I always thought this was true. But then of course, they invented Hep B and
HIV in the 80s so this practice had to cease. As an aside, I was also
reminded in the labour ward at Guy's Hospital in London in 1979 that I
should (being an Australian) be fully aware of the 'Australia antigen' for
hepatitis. 

It wouldn't surprise me as babies have such amazingly soft skin and they're
in liquid all the time until after they're born.

Penny B.

On 23/10/02 4:06 PM, "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that
> human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if she
> said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm... I'll
> have to double check.
> 
> Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: annoying medical crap

[Aviva Sheb'a]

Hi, All,
 
Rather than send a load of emails, I'm combining all my replies into one 
whopper. 
 
Thanks to Monica Hook for you very pertinent reply; I'm forwarding it 
to my student. 
 
Uierzalf is a Dutch product an Australian 
vegetarian friend I've known since our Amsterdam days (we met in 1977 over 
there; she now lives close to me in Adelaide after 25 years away...my how we 
collect stories) anyway, she used it for years thinking it was a salve made 
(somehow) from onions. She nearly dropped the container when I pointed out that 
while "ui" is onion, 'uier' is udder! We read the label, and it was in fact a 
glorified version of Vaseline! I have a lipstick that does wonders for my lips, 
taste delicious, stays on all day and it must have lasted me at least 15 years. 
I was lamenting to Rosie (my daughter) its imminent empty container and the fact 
that they don't seem to make lippy like that any more, and her retort was, 
'well, they don't use whale blubber do they'. Stopped me in my tracks. Wonder if 
contains placenta? I'll bow down to it as I use the last of it. I buried the 
placenta I shared with my son between three gum trees struggling to grow 
together. Apparently those trees have thrived. 
 
Maybe we should Senator Knowles email address and give 
her the facts.

Yep
 
teenagers...time to enlighten her 
about Parent Abuse! Naturally, stamp out child abuse, but how come no one 
talks about stamping out Mother Abuse? Children respond really well to that 
idea, from a very early age. It's good in supermarkets! I've told kids to stop 
abusing me, a shopper who has done them no harm. Ought to see the parents' faces 
when their kids stop running around, whingeing etc.! 
 
Hearty Congratulations and giant hugs, Tania, on the 
beautiful birth! (Cluck Cluck)
 With love to all,
Aviva

RE: [ozmidwifery] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage

[Carol Thorogood]

Hi



I wouldn't bother about Senator Sue.  This delightful woman was on the 
Rocking the Cradle Senate Committee and you only have to read her 
dissenting comments in the final document to realise that she is far too 
gone for any logical debate.  I gave evidence in front of her and watched 
what she did while other people gave theirs. If there was a medico she 
smiled and smarmed and asked lots of questions and if it was a midwife you 
could almost hear the snores and she couldn't be bothered. It was so 
obvious even someone as nervous as I was could tell just how disinterested 
she was in anything we had to say. All she wanted was pm tea.  I just 
don't think it is worth it. I reckon we should keep on with people like 
Aiden Ridgeway Meg Lees etc (both are really supportive) and, pleasant.

Carol





Carol Thorogood

Visiting Midwifery Scholar
School of Nursing and Midwifery
Flinders University, Adelaide, 5001

Telephone: 08 8201 3924
Fax:   08 8201 3410


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[Ross W Timbs]

I'm fairly sure Ella Bache used to make a placenta mask/cream - more than 10
years ago.  Don't know whether they still do.
Jacky

- Original Message -
From: "Lesley Kuliukas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream


> Hi
> In England we used to send them off to cosmetic companies to do I don't
know
> what with but after HIV it all stopped.
> Lesley
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:06 AM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
>
>
> > I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that
> > human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if she
> > said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm... I'll
> > have to double check.
> >
> > Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?
> >
> > Jen
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
> >
> >
> > > sheep's placenta cream, which is
> > > very good for dermatitis and eczema.  Interesting!
> >
> >
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[Janet Glaser]

Absolutely
I remember as a student midwife in Cornwall, England in the 70's, all
placentas were frozen in big cartons and sold to Elizabeth Arden for
cosmetic manufacture.
I have never bought their lipstick!!!
Janet

-Original Message-
From: Jan Robinson [mailto:midwife@;ozemail.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 8:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

On 23/10/02 5:19 PM, "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Jen!
> 
> I have heard of this, if only vaguely... Can't remember where/when...
but it
> sounds very familliar. :)
> 
> Jo
> 
> --
> Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:06 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
> 
> 
>> I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that
>> human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if
she
>> said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm...
I'll
>> have to double check.
>> 
>> Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?
>> 
>> Jen
> 
> 
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Hi Jo

Yes I have heard of placental face creams manufactured in Europe.
I actually found a plastic container of placental shampoo washed up on a
beach off the coast of NSW once upon a time so I assumed that the some
of
the "boaties" in the area had been using it.

With the AIDs scares over the last few decades I don't know whether
these
placental products have continued to be produced but it makes sense to
use
the placenta to restore vitality to human skin when you consider it
contains
every hormone and enzyme known to be beneficial to humankind.

You'd think at least we would find a use for the placenta as fertilizer
-
(animal placentas go into the manufacturing of "blood and bone" type
products I believe.)

I can show you some beautiful bougainvillias and other spectacular tress
growing around Sydney where I know some home birth placentas were used
wisely and not wasted.

Jan Robinson 

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[ozmidwifery] Oh what a night...

[Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood]

I just wanted to share with the list that I attended the most amazing and
special birth last night.  For those of you who don't know me (and that's
probably most, as I'm a bit of a lurker here!) I'm a newly qualified midwife
(May last year), with 2 littlies of my own, and I've been practicing in
partnership with another midwife here in Adelaide since April this year,
attending women planning homebirths mainly in the Adelaide Hills area.

Enough about me, yesterday morning I got a call from Wendy (the midwife) and
arrived at Jess's house at 6.30am, and after an extremely emotional, hard
work, up and down, lots of walking, lots of sleeping, lots of swinging and
swaying (we nearly resorted to KC and the sunshine band Vicki!), lots of
yelling, lots of beconing this baby into the world kind of labour (where I
think I carried the entire weight of my car in water), Jess had a lovely
baby girl at 1120 last night, and 3 hours later, when the placenta decided
it was good and ready, so were we (and Jess, believe me!).  She shared this
wonderful time with us, her partner and both sets of parents, who waited
quietly down the other end of the house for what must have seemed an
eternity before we gave them the signal that the baby was finally on its
way.

I've attended 4 births with Wendy, and each one teaches me something new,
something I didn't even know I didn't know - if that makes any sense. (And
there's plenty I don't know!!) It was such a hard and long journey for Jess
yesterday, and it was just such an amazing experience to be with another
midwife who supported me, and the woman, and such a privilege to be there
for such a powerful birth (which they all are, in different ways).

Enough rambling, I've had a good 3 hours sleep, now to try and convince my 1
year old that it's time to go back to bed!

Thanks for listening,

Tania
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[Jan Robinson]

On 23/10/02 5:19 PM, "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Jen!
> 
> I have heard of this, if only vaguely... Can't remember where/when... but it
> sounds very familliar. :)
> 
> Jo
> 
> --
> Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:06 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
> 
> 
>> I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that
>> human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if she
>> said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm... I'll
>> have to double check.
>> 
>> Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?
>> 
>> Jen
> 
> 
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Hi Jo

Yes I have heard of placental face creams manufactured in Europe.
I actually found a plastic container of placental shampoo washed up on a
beach off the coast of NSW once upon a time so I assumed that the some of
the "boaties" in the area had been using it.

With the AIDs scares over the last few decades I don't know whether these
placental products have continued to be produced but it makes sense to use
the placenta to restore vitality to human skin when you consider it contains
every hormone and enzyme known to be beneficial to humankind.

You'd think at least we would find a use for the placenta as fertilizer -
(animal placentas go into the manufacturing of "blood and bone" type
products I believe.)

I can show you some beautiful bougainvillias and other spectacular tress
growing around Sydney where I know some home birth placentas were used
wisely and not wasted.

Jan Robinson 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[alastair tawns]

aha...then it wasn't an urban myth..it really did go into lipstick!
Mel
- Original Message -
From: "Lesley Kuliukas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream


> Hi
> In England we used to send them off to cosmetic companies to do I don't
know
> what with but after HIV it all stopped.
> Lesley
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:06 AM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
>
>
> > I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that
> > human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if she
> > said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm... I'll
> > have to double check.
> >
> > Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?
> >
> > Jen
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
> >
> >
> > > sheep's placenta cream, which is
> > > very good for dermatitis and eczema.  Interesting!
> >
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP on Natioanl TV

[DebSlater]

Denise

Do you have the snailmail address that you used to contact George Negus.  I will write as a follow up to your letter (in my capacity as Chair of CMWA), so that he has a contact at CMWA.  I will also make sure that Summer is involved.

Debbie 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[Lesley Kuliukas]

Hi
In England we used to send them off to cosmetic companies to do I don't know
what with but after HIV it all stopped.
Lesley
- Original Message -
From: "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:06 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream


> I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that
> human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if she
> said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm... I'll
> have to double check.
>
> Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?
>
> Jen
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
>
>
> > sheep's placenta cream, which is
> > very good for dermatitis and eczema.  Interesting!
>
>
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Intuitive Midwifery Workshop

[Vicki Chan]

Title: Message



Thanks 
Robyn... We appreciate your thoughts...We have been and come home from Melb (had 
a wonderful time)... so maybe next time we'll get together? 
Lucky 
we are all planning to be very old women so we can get all we need to do, 
done! All the best, Vicki xox

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robyn 
  ThompsonSent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:40 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Intuitive 
  Midwifery Workshop
  Dear 
  Nic and Vicki
  Just 
  a short note to say congratulations on your workshops.  I am just 
  managing to keep my head above water at present.  I love to be with 
  my family and grandchildren and my work keeps me more than happily occupied, 
  tired and sometimes exhausted.  To this end I must limit what I can 
  do for my own peace and sanity.  Keep up the good work for women and 
  midwives.  I sometimes fear I am running out of time to complete all the 
  things I need to. If you are around call me and if I am not with a birthing 
  woman I will arrange to meet you or you can come over here.  
   
   
  Lots 
  of Love  Robyn
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vicki 
ChanSent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:30 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Intuitive 
Midwifery Workshop
Thank you all to the wonderful women who joined us on Saturday!!! 
What a day!!
 
We 
have one more workshop this Saturday at Nambour! A couple of places 
left!
For information, call me on 0402 140769 or to book call Nic on 0412 
020836
 
After that, I'm planning one big sleep!!!
 
Love to allVicki

  
  -Original Message-From: elizabeth 
  mcalpine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 
  20, 2002 8:52 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [birthnews] intuitive 
  workshop
  Hello listers,
   
  Yesterday, I attended Vicki Chan & Nic 
  Edmonstone's 'Intuitive Workshop'.    What a beautiful, 
  emotive, empowering, enlightening and fun 
  day.   
   
  A day which - 
  reinforced my commitment to change childbirth 
  practices 
  refueled my passion to stop the conditioning 
  which the medical model propagates.
   
  But yup, I have to stop being like a bull in 
  a china shop and follow Vicki and Nic's 
  example of a gentle opening of the mind towards deconditioning & 
  understanding.
  To end, with their words.
   
   
  "A better world..
     Where 
  birth is sacred..
      
          Life is treasured..
      
          Death is honoured..
      
          Peace at Birth..
          
              
          Peace on Earth"
   
   
  Thank you Vicki and Nic and all you beautiful 
  women who shared the day with me.
   
  Much, much love.   
  Liz
   
   
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[Kirsten Blacker]

there is a facial cream here in the USA , sold at Walmart (big department
store) which has placenta in it. I'm always torn between how GOOD it might
be and the gross factor! I'll look at the ingredient list again next time
I'm there and let y'all know
Kirsten
- Original Message -
From: "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream


> I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that
> human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if she
> said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm... I'll
> have to double check.
>
> Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?
>
> Jen
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
>
>
> > sheep's placenta cream, which is
> > very good for dermatitis and eczema.  Interesting!
>
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[elizabeth mcalpine]

Denise, 
this is uncanny - George Negus and Dimensions is on 
my list of things to do/people to contact.
Liz

[ozmidwifery] Re: [birthnews] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage

[elizabeth mcalpine]

Alphia
Very interesting and good to know who's on our side -  must be Alan
Ridgeway.
Senator Knowles has no idea, what a bletherer!!! and an idiot!!!  Hers and
the government response to Rocking the Cradle, 1999 - childbirth procedures,
as well as any other 'medical procedure' are outside the jurisdiction of
both state/territory and federal responsibility.   "Decisions are clinical,
to be made by doctors and patients"--
Sounds like the same worn speech
Liz

--- Original Message -
From: "Alphia Possamai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:14 PM
Subject: [birthnews] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage


> I thought you all might be interested in the fact that Parliament was
> discussing indemnity coverage for private practicing midwives and
midwifery
> students today.  On my way home from work I was listening to ABC radio and
> lo and behold there it was.  A Senator Ridgeway (please excuse my
spelling)
> gave an accurate picture of the dire circumstances that Australian society
> is facing in relation to the indemnity crisis.  He quoted the WHO and NMAP
> and was an obvious supporter of midwives.  The next speaker was a Senator
> Knowles (spelling again I am not sure of)- I am not sure of who she is-
but
> I do know that she is from WA.  Unfortunately her discussion stemmed
around
> that she believed it was not the responsibility of the central or national
> goverment but rather the states themselves to supply assistance to
> midwives.  She also went on to say that the reason this small amount of
> midwives was not being covered was because the insurance companies viewed
> them as "too risky".  Needless to say the driver in front of me believed I
> was conducting some form of private roadrage.  I arrived home before much
> else was divulged.  For those of you who are interested I am sure the
> transcripts will be available tomorrow onthe following
> website:  www.aph.gov.au  I believe if you go to Hansard Transcripts there
> will be something ready.  What frustrated me was the purely economic
> rationality that Senator Knowles was proposing.  She neglected to point
out
> how the neglect to provide indemnity coverage for the above mentioned
> midwives was going to affect the population of Australian society.  the
> restrictions that it actually causes.Anyway I thought I would pass it
on.
>
> Take care everyone
> Regards
> Alphia
>
>
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RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard

[Robyn Thompson]

Would love to hear from you later, sorry you are not settled, maybe
Melbourne next?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard


No i am unsettled in Sydney
Another story later
Take care
Thank You denise
- Original Message -
From: Robyn Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:49 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard


> Hi Denise
> How are you, I imagine you have settled into NSW by now.  I have forwarded
> this email to Joanne I am not sure when she will read it she has really
high
> work committments.  She can be contacted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
> www.mariewilson.com or www.musicbus.net
>
> regards,   Robyn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
>
>
> Robyn
> Any idea of cost?
> Denise
> - Original Message -
> From: Robyn Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
>
>
> > My daughter has Mobile Billboards in Melbourne.  You could talk to her
> about
> > your needs by calling 0419 315 948 and mention her mum sent you.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:09 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
> >
> >
> > How do we get a billboard for NMAP and some one to pay for it??
> > Denise
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Sally Westbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:22 PM
> > Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
> >
> >
> > >
> > > That billboard is right near where I used to live!!
> > > Sally
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: barbara glare & chris bright [mailto:zacdan@;datafast.net.au]
> > > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 7:16 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > If you're driving through Geelong, keep an eye out for the billboard
on
> > > your
> > > left just past the North Geelong Railway station.
> > >
> > > If your not anticipating a drive to Geelong, check it out on
> > > www.breastfeeding.asn.au
> > >
> > > Love, Barb
> > > ABA calendar and poster orders to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard

[Denise Hynd]

No i am unsettled in Sydney
Another story later
Take care
Thank You denise
- Original Message -
From: Robyn Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:49 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard


> Hi Denise
> How are you, I imagine you have settled into NSW by now.  I have forwarded
> this email to Joanne I am not sure when she will read it she has really
high
> work committments.  She can be contacted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
> www.mariewilson.com or www.musicbus.net
>
> regards,   Robyn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
>
>
> Robyn
> Any idea of cost?
> Denise
> - Original Message -
> From: Robyn Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
>
>
> > My daughter has Mobile Billboards in Melbourne.  You could talk to her
> about
> > your needs by calling 0419 315 948 and mention her mum sent you.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:09 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
> >
> >
> > How do we get a billboard for NMAP and some one to pay for it??
> > Denise
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Sally Westbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:22 PM
> > Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
> >
> >
> > >
> > > That billboard is right near where I used to live!!
> > > Sally
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: barbara glare & chris bright [mailto:zacdan@;datafast.net.au]
> > > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 7:16 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > If you're driving through Geelong, keep an eye out for the billboard
on
> > > your
> > > left just past the North Geelong Railway station.
> > >
> > > If your not anticipating a drive to Geelong, check it out on
> > > www.breastfeeding.asn.au
> > >
> > > Love, Barb
> > > ABA calendar and poster orders to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > BirthNews is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore & the Birth Issues Journal.
> > > www.capersbookstore.com.au
> > >
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[ozmidwifery] NMAP on Natioanl TV

[Denise Hynd]

Dear list and NMAP 
supporters
 
 As George did a 
reasonable job about the PI situation ( I had trouble with the reference back to 
a doctor and the medical PI situation) and his personal expereince of the value 
of midwfery care I feel he may do more justice to our need for NMAP 
publicity.
So I ask you all to write to 
him and new sdimensions.
My letter to him is below if you want to adapt it 
feel free
 
Denise 
Hynd23rd October, 2002
New Dimensions
ABC TV
Dear George Negus, 
At the close of tonight’s New Dimensions you asked for innovative topics for 
further programs, my recommendation is to look at the history, structure, 
function and outcomes of the Community Midwifery Program WA (CMP-WA) in 
Perth.
The reasons why this is innovative subjects are; 

  This program was originally funded in 1996 under the Commonwealth’s 
  Alternative Birthing Services (ABS), due to a collaborative application by the 
  Fremantle based Birthplace Support group and UK experienced midwives. Unlike 
  most other ABS funded projects this one has continued due to its community 
  support and 2 independent assessments which have secured equal funding from 
  the WA government. CMWA and the 
  CMWA is the template of the National Maternity Action Plan (NMAP). NMAP 
  has been prepared through collaboration by Maternity Coalition, Australian 
  Society of Independent Midwives and Community Midwifery WA Inc. Maternity 
  Coalition is an umbrella organisation of individuals and groups who share a 
  commitment to improving the care of women in pregnancy, birth and the 
  postnatal period. The NMAP campaign of Maternity Coalition calls on both 
  Federal and State governments to introduce primary midwifery care within the 
  public health system throughout urban and regional Australia as an answer to 
  many of the problems within Australian maternity services (see attached NSW 
  document). 
  NMAP has been adopted part of the health policies of the Democrat and 
  Greens parties in each state and nationally. 
  CMWA offers each woman the choice of having her own midwife care for her 
  throughout her pregnancy, birth and the first few weeks of her life with her 
  new baby. This choice is available to women in the UK, Canada, the Netherlands 
  and New Zealand. 
  Evidence shows that adoption of CMWA/NMAP across Australia would 
  make internationally recognized best practice available for all pregnant 
  women, help solve the professional indemnity crisis in maternity services, 
  reduce costs to the taxpayers and improve outcomes for mothers and 
babies.
For these reasons and more, such as the positive experiences of the women, 
babies, families, community and midwives (even when there is a sad outcome!) who 
have access to the Community Midwifery Program WA, I would ask that your program 
share this information with the rest of Australia! 
You can contact the program’s office in Perth on (08) 9339 0021.
Yours sincerely,
Denise Hynd RN, RM, BApSc(Nsg), IBCLC.
PS I admit my personal interest in this story;, it is I have experienced the 
joy of working on CMWA and am now againexperiencing the too often sadness of 
hospital birth and pregnancy, whilst working for 
NMAP!

Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[alastair tawns]

hello there, yes I have heard of this along with what may be another great
urban myth that some constituent of the placenta is used in lipstick...or
was!
 I cant decide whether I should be glad of the attempts to recycle  or
whether , in the case of lipstick , it constitutes some form of cannibalism
if one should swallow itforgive me I am rambling , but I am trying to
hide from a scary  teenaged daughtersome of you musst know
what THEY can do to their poor mothers
yours
Mel
- Original Message -
From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream


> Hi Jen!
>
> I have heard of this, if only vaguely... Can't remember where/when... but
it
> sounds very familliar. :)
>
> Jo
>
> --
> Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:06 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
>
>
> > I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that
> > human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if she
> > said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm... I'll
> > have to double check.
> >
> > Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?
> >
> > Jen
>
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[ozmidwifery] Seeking dopplers ...

[Sue Cookson]

Hi all you northern midwives,
looking for a new doppler and finding the name of suppliers a bit difficult.
Anyone  able to help in the Brisbane area??


Or anyone out there with a doppler for sale??

Thanks,
Sue

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[ozmidwifery] exposure in the media

[Sheena Johnson]

Dear List
 
I forwarded the article by Meg Lees that was 
posted on the list, to our local paper the Wimmera Mail Times, but I really need 
some back up, from someone knowledgeable, for them to print, such as a 
contact no. so they can speak to someone with more expertise than me about 
these issues. I am still first year part time midwifery and can't vocalise our 
concerns very well yet, especially since I haven't worked in the clinical 
setting, roll on next year. I have a contact at the paper who is always 
interested in a good story so if anyone can help, contact me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 
Sheena Johnson

RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard

[Robyn Thompson]

Hi Denise
How are you, I imagine you have settled into NSW by now.  I have forwarded
this email to Joanne I am not sure when she will read it she has really high
work committments.  She can be contacted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
www.mariewilson.com or www.musicbus.net

regards,   Robyn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard


Robyn
Any idea of cost?
Denise
- Original Message -
From: Robyn Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard


> My daughter has Mobile Billboards in Melbourne.  You could talk to her
about
> your needs by calling 0419 315 948 and mention her mum sent you.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:09 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
>
>
> How do we get a billboard for NMAP and some one to pay for it??
> Denise
> - Original Message -
> From: Sally Westbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:22 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
>
>
> >
> > That billboard is right near where I used to live!!
> > Sally
> > -Original Message-
> > From: barbara glare & chris bright [mailto:zacdan@;datafast.net.au]
> > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 7:16 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If you're driving through Geelong, keep an eye out for the billboard on
> > your
> > left just past the North Geelong Railway station.
> >
> > If your not anticipating a drive to Geelong, check it out on
> > www.breastfeeding.asn.au
> >
> > Love, Barb
> > ABA calendar and poster orders to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > BirthNews is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore & the Birth Issues Journal.
> > www.capersbookstore.com.au
> >
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage

[Robyn Thompson]

Maybe we should Senator Knowles email address and give her the facts.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Alphia
Possamai
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage


I thought you all might be interested in the fact that Parliament was
discussing indemnity coverage for private practicing midwives and midwifery
students today.  On my way home from work I was listening to ABC radio and
lo and behold there it was.  A Senator Ridgeway (please excuse my spelling)
gave an accurate picture of the dire circumstances that Australian society
is facing in relation to the indemnity crisis.  He quoted the WHO and NMAP
and was an obvious supporter of midwives.  The next speaker was a Senator
Knowles (spelling again I am not sure of)- I am not sure of who she is- but
I do know that she is from WA.  Unfortunately her discussion stemmed around
that she believed it was not the responsibility of the central or national
goverment but rather the states themselves to supply assistance to
midwives.  She also went on to say that the reason this small amount of
midwives was not being covered was because the insurance companies viewed
them as "too risky".  Needless to say the driver in front of me believed I
was conducting some form of private roadrage.  I arrived home before much
else was divulged.  For those of you who are interested I am sure the
transcripts will be available tomorrow onthe following
website:  www.aph.gov.au  I believe if you go to Hansard Transcripts there
will be something ready.  What frustrated me was the purely economic
rationality that Senator Knowles was proposing.  She neglected to point out
how the neglect to provide indemnity coverage for the above mentioned
midwives was going to affect the population of Australian society.  the
restrictions that it actually causes.Anyway I thought I would pass it
on.

Take care everyone
Regards
Alphia

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream

[JoFromOz]

Hi Jen!

I have heard of this, if only vaguely... Can't remember where/when... but it
sounds very familliar. :)

Jo

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- Original Message -
From: "Jennifer Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:06 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream


> I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that
> human placentas are actually made in to cream.  I can't remember if she
> said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported.  Hmmm... I'll
> have to double check.
>
> Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this?
>
> Jen


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