RE: [ozmidwifery] ?Cx shut down
I have recently had a client at 8cm with buldging membranes who after transfer to hospital and ARM was 5cm. The doctor then abused me and told me that I was misleading him about how far along she was. What would be the point of that!! Cervix do change Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife In any society, the way a woman gives birth and the kind of care given to her and the baby, points as sharply as an arrowhead to the key values of the culture. ~Sheila Kitzinger-Women as Mothers
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions
I find this perpetual arguement from mothers ( fathers) within the hospital system that if the midwives opinions and practices differ from each other - the parents get terribly confused - and sleeping positions is one of them! The parents read and are told that back sleeping is the only way to go. Then the midwives (myself included) place infants on their side, even after the parents have put them in the cot on their back. And the parents question - as they should. I'm talking purely night-duty here, having seen at least 3 babies post LUSCS (in my short years) obstruct badly, it was very fortunate to say the least that both of the midwives were literally outside the door doing the 'rounds' at those wee hours of the night. Mum was post-surg and in an exhausted sleep, didn't even realize that we had picked the baby up and after immediate airway clearance still needed to literally run down the ward with this baby navy blue in the arms to a resus cot suction etc. All of these babies were rugged up and on their back. So from bad experience, I ALWAYS put them on their side. My own three children lie wherever the wind blows - in our bed, in the cot, back, side and even rarely tummy. Their favourite spot is co-sleeping in either my husbands or my arms though - and who could blame them!! Cheryl p.s. What do other hospitals policies and practice with post-LUSCS babies in that first 12-24 hours. In bed with Mum, in cot beside Mum, in nursery, with midwife ?? From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:57:40 +1100 Have witnessed this when visiting with the Maternal Child Health Service, happened thank goodness right before our eyes. The young Dad responded quickly and cleared the baby's airway. I can talk at length about the problems associated with baby's sleeping on their backs. Will put some of my experiences on my website When? I can find the time. Robyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'a Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions cat among pigeons here -- suppose baby threw up while lying on back and choked? aviva, ducking - Original Message - From: janet To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions I agree that many women are afraid about placing their babies on their tummies - I think there is so much literature around about the SIDS recommended position to put babies to sleep on their back that they have to be reminded to allow tummy time during wake times. Also I heard that some children are ultimately suffering from misshapen heads, one woman was telling me that her son had to have a special helmet made to correct the shape of his head. Consequently when she had her second child she ignored the SIDS recommendations and placed her baby from side to side to sleep. Janet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] no subject I have noticed that mums are even afraid to put their babies on their tummies to tie up their nightie. I assure them it is ok and even beneficial for babies to spend time on their tummies, just that you need to be observing them. Of course I slept all of my girls on their tummies, but I was picky about having clear breathing space, I also used a NZ lambskin for all 3, but pulled a sheet tight across the area under their face. So, I am not surprised that babies may not spending enough time on their tummies to use their neck muscles, though I think it is a good idea that they sleep on their babcks, and am increasingly surprised at how easy it is to do this. marilyn - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] no subject Dear friends, I don't know if this topic has been discussed in the group already, but it interests me. The sleeping rules for babys (not on their tummy anymore) causes a lot of problems with back and neck muscles of children 3-4 months of age and later, because the parents are made so anxious that they even in daytime don't put their baby on the tummy anymore. On the website of midwifery today is a study (in Englisch :-)) Baby's Bedding: Is It Creating Toxic Nerve Gasses? by Joanne B. Quinn, RMA, PhD (http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/bedding.asp It's an New zealand and UK study. In our country it is unknown. Do you all know more or have some toughts about it? Greetings Lieve
Re: [ozmidwifery] Weekend Australian
But then today in the Inquirer section was an article on NMAP. Quotes from Barb Vernon and Sally Tracy, and then some quote from someone at RANZCOG saying that "homebirth was not as safe as a hospital birth". Well that may be his opinion, but not soundly based on evidence, and anyway NMAP is not about homebirth. Yet another letter on it's way. Debbie
RE: [ozmidwifery] ?Cx shut down
I recall a time when I was in Saudi, the woman was 9 cm with a high and floating head. The doctors agreed and took her to the OR for a controlled ARM. Success but then with the main pressure off the cervix it went back to 6 cm but she dilated up quickly and birthed ok. Judy From: "Sally Westbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] ?Cx shut down Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:37:05 +0800 I have recently had a client at 8cm with buldging membranes who after transfer to hospital and ARM was 5cm. The doctor then abused me and told me that I was misleading him about how far along she was. What would be the point of that!! Cervix do change Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "In any society, the way a woman gives birth and the kind of care given to her and the baby, points as sharply as an arrowhead to the key values of the culture. ~Sheila Kitzinger-Women as Mothers MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Find our more. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation help
That's exactly how we were/are instructed to midwife at a breech birth at Seattle Midwifery school, unfortunately there isn't much opportunity for hands on except in the developing world except for the occassional undiagnosed breech, assisted at one such birth arrived with poo(mec) coming out of mum's vagina, confirmed it was a breech: testicles just inside her vagina, other midwife sat mum on de buy birth stool, I set up the oxygen, baby eased out crying as soon as his mouth cleared the peri, handed to mum all 9lb 2oz of him, 2hr labour, baby #2; baby #1 had been a 3hr labour. Too perfect. We were s pleased we missed the presentation. Some things are meant to be. marilyn - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation help I was taught the same by the older medical practitioners who just sat patiently and waited and waited. HANDS OF THE BREECH WAS THE CATCH CRY. Even the arms may descend without interference then LET THE BODY HANG KEEP IT WARM AND WAIT FOR THE HAIRLINE AT THE BASE OF THE SKULL TO APPEAR, again the baby may descend on it's own if not gentle manoeuvre only. Robyn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lynne StaffSent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation help I know - when I was a student midwife, I worked with an older ob who used to say "Sis, Hands off the breech until the mother has brought the baby down to its armpits - then, if assistance is required, do so." I was fortunate to "grow up" with this way of knowing breech birth - it is fast becoming extinct. The fact of matter is that breech birth is most probably more dangerous now than it has ever been, because the "Professionals" have never had the experience of breech birth apart from caesarean or (ugh) Breech Extraction (a forcible birth, and not a pretty sight, often with fetal and maternal injury). As for physiological breechwell! - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation help "Wouldn't it be nice if she could just be supported to give birth with the baby breech? I read with sadness the responses all suggesting ECV, and thought this is a sure sign of the times. Big sigh." Lynn, My thoughts exactly, but the reality is that she will not be supported in birthing a breech baby, and may not be supported by her Ob if she decides to have an ECV, which will have to be in the public system, with another Ob. What a fragmented and crazy system it is, when a woman fears retribution from her maternity care provider for seeking the help of a specialist who may give her the chance to have the birth she has worked so hard to mentally and physically prepare for. Even bigger Sigh... Tania
[ozmidwifery] Good Story
Hello All Just thought I'd send a follow-up on my friend who had the terrible rash and was close to giving up b/feeding etc. We ended up with a preparation of Purslane (a small succulent 'weed', common name pig weed) juice and instructed to mix in cool water dip a face cloth in and place over affected areas. My buddy said as she put the face cloth on she could feel the heat being drawn out and 3 days later it's all but gone! She is now convinced I'm a mystic healer!! (as I went and found the plant and we brewed a new batch up as it grows everywhere up here). She is most impressed with that list of midwives you have and will be my number one supporter of one to one midwifery care in the Hunter! She sadly described her birth as horrendous and terrifying and was so upset when the midwife she had bonded with finished her shift! She now understands the amazing value of the care of one midwife! You live and learn eh. Thanks for all the prompt replies. In solidarity Justine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] swanhill homebirth
october love jan - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] swanhill homebirth Jan, Swan hill is two hours past Echuca and 2 1/2 from Mildura. Haven't heard of anyone there who is working outside the hospital but you never know. When is she due?Andrea QuanchiOn Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 01:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A client wants me to go to swanhill for a birth now thats a long way whos theere and what midwifery models are available jan
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions
My first baby was having nappy changed in hospital - approx. 3 days old, lying on back and choked on vomit. It wasn't until I was running around to the nurses station holding him face down along my arm that the vomit started coming out of nose and mouth and he was able to begin breathing again. After a traumatic birth and +10% weight loss - this really did my confidence in utterly. As a result was afraid to sleep him on his back for fear of choking on vomit, and even #2 baby has side slept pretty much all the time. This event also primed me for co-sleeping as I was afraid to leave him where I couldn't see him - the whole choking thing was silent. Jo - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions I find this perpetual arguement from mothers ( fathers) within the hospital system that if the midwives opinions and practices differ from each other - the parents get terribly confused - and sleeping positions is one of them! The parents read and are told that back sleeping is the only way to go. Then the midwives (myself included) place infants on their side, even after the parents have put them in the cot on their back. And the parents question - as they should. I'm talking purely night-duty here, having seen at least 3 babies post LUSCS (in my short years) obstruct badly, it was very fortunate to say the least that both of the midwives were literally outside the door doing the 'rounds' at those wee hours of the night. Mum was post-surg and in an exhausted sleep, didn't even realize that we had picked the baby up and after immediate airway clearance still needed to literally run down the ward with this baby navy blue in the arms to a resus cot suction etc. All of these babies were rugged up and on their back. So from bad experience, I ALWAYS put them on their side. My own three children lie wherever the wind blows - in our bed, in the cot, back, side and even rarely tummy. Their favourite spot is co-sleeping in either my husbands or my arms though - and who could blame them!! Cheryl p.s. What do other hospitals policies and practice with post-LUSCS babies in that first 12-24 hours. In bed with Mum, in cot beside Mum, in nursery, with midwife ?? From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:57:40 +1100 Have witnessed this when visiting with the Maternal Child Health Service, happened thank goodness right before our eyes. The young Dad responded quickly and cleared the baby's airway. I can talk at length about the problems associated with baby's sleeping on their backs. Will put some of my experiences on my website When? I can find the time. Robyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'a Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions cat among pigeons here -- suppose baby threw up while lying on back and choked? aviva, ducking - Original Message - From: janet To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions I agree that many women are afraid about placing their babies on their tummies - I think there is so much literature around about the SIDS recommended position to put babies to sleep on their back that they have to be reminded to allow tummy time during wake times. Also I heard that some children are ultimately suffering from misshapen heads, one woman was telling me that her son had to have a special helmet made to correct the shape of his head. Consequently when she had her second child she ignored the SIDS recommendations and placed her baby from side to side to sleep. Janet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] no subject I have noticed that mums are even afraid to put their babies on their tummies to tie up their nightie. I assure them it is ok and even beneficial for babies to spend time on their tummies, just that you need to be observing them. Of course I slept all of my girls on their tummies, but I was picky about having clear breathing space, I also used a NZ lambskin for all 3, but pulled a sheet tight across the area under their face. So, I am not surprised that babies may not spending enough time on their tummies to use their neck muscles, though I think it is a good idea that they sleep on their babcks, and am increasingly surprised at how easy it is to do
[ozmidwifery] Fw: rope story
The Rope Story Eleven people were hanging on a rope under a helicopter, ten men and one woman. The rope was not strong enough to carry them all, so they decided that one has to drop off. Otherwise they are all going to fall. They were not able to choose that person, but then the woman made a very touching speech. She said that she would voluntarily let go of the rope, because as a woman she was used to giving up everything for her husband and kids, and for men in general, without ever getting anything in return. As soon as she finished her speech, all the men started clapping their hands... SEND THIS STORY TO AN INTELLIGENT WOMAN, SO THAT SHE HAS SOMETHING TO SMILE ABOUT TODAY. -- This mobile message sent using PocketMail. Sign up for unlimited e-mail at www.PocketMail.com. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Women Against War
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