Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: implanon and breastfeeding
It's been suggested to me that perhaps my gyn HAS punctured a uterus and therefore makes for a worst case scenario? Kate - Original Message - From: Larissa Inns To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: implanon and breastfeeding Is there reallya 10% risk of uterine puncture? I've not seen that stat yet ( or did I have my eyes shut? LOL). As for the vasectomy - nothing is fool proof and I personally know 2 people who had failed vasectomies where they magically regrew back together (the body is very clever!). Hugs,Larissa the Mirena was recommended. But my gyn gave me a 10% risk of uterine puncture, which made me decide against it. Oral contraceptives are not an option for me, which is serously narrowing the choices. That vasectomy is looking good! Kate
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative
Hi Helen, We circulated this document at the Future Birth event in 1996 when Marsden Wagner was on the speaking team. It has been adapted in several countries to reflect local conditions, the most recent one that I saw was for Thailand where the Childbirth and Breastfeeding Foundation of Thailand prepared a variation for use in Cambodia, where they were presenting training workshops for maternity professionals (about 18 months ago now). The original version is specifically designed for the US scene (see the point about circumcision, as an example) and so would need to be adapted for use in OZ. Personally, I think that the NMAP takes its place here, and because this document is aimed at strengthening midwifery practise, it follows that the resultant care would be more mother friendly. Cheers Andrea At 05:36 PM 20/03/2005, you wrote: Found this online whilst surfing and wondered if Australia is looking to implement this kind of idea too (or an adaptation of same). I have only heard of the WHO/UNICEF Baby friendly Hospital Initiative which is very much in use in Australia. Can anyone fill me in? It sounds like a great idea to me and should give ammunition to those midwives working in hospitals striving to make improvements in their care/minimize interventions. Maybe maternity coalition may be able to formulate something similar or maybe they have already! - if so, excuse my ignorance... Helen Cahill http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/steps/http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/steps/ The Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative Ten Steps of the Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative for Mother-Friendly Hospitals, Birth Centers, and Home Birth Services To receive CIMS designation as mother-friendly, a hospital, http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#BCenterbirth center, or home birth service must carry out our philosophical principles by fulfilling the Ten Steps of Mother-Friendly Care: A mother-friendly hospital, birth center, or home birth service: * Offers all birthing mothers: * Unrestricted access to the birth companions of her choice, including fathers, partners, children, family members, and friends; * Unrestricted access to continuous emotional and physical support from a skilled woman-for example, a http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#douladoula or labor-support professional: * Access to professional midwifery care. (http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/1/References) * Provides accurate descriptive and statistical information to the public about its practices and procedures for birth care, including measures of interventions and outcomes.(http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/2/References) * Provides culturally competent care -- that is, care that is sensitive and responsive to the specific beliefs, values, and customs of the mother's ethnicity and religion.(http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/3/References) * Provides the birthing woman with the freedom to walk, move about, and assume the positions of her choice during labor and birth (unless restriction is specifically required to correct a complication), and discourages the use of the lithotomy (flat on back with legs elevated) position.(http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/4/References) * Has clearly defined policies and procedures for: * collaborating and consulting throughout the perinatal period with other maternity services, including communicating with the original caregiver when transfer from one birth site to another is necessary; * linking the mother and baby to appropriate community resources, including prenatal and post-discharge follow-up and breastfeeding support.(http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/5/References) * Does not routinely employ practices and procedures that are unsupported by scientific evidence, including but not limited to the following: * shaving; * enemas; * IVs (intravenous drip); * withholding nourishment; * early http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#Rupturerupture of membranes; * electronic fetal monitoring; Other interventions are limited as follows: * Has an http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#Inductioninduction rate of 10% or less; * Has an http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#Episiotomyepisiotomy rate of 20% or less, with a goal of 5% or less; * Has a total cesarean rate of 10% or less in community hospitals, and 15% or less in tertiary care (high-risk) hospitals; * Has a VBAC (vaginal birth after cesarean) rate of 60% or more with a goal of 75% or more.(http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/6/References) * Educates staff in non-drug methods of pain relief and does not promote the use of analgesic or anesthetic drugs not specifically required to correct a complication. (http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/7/References) *
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative
Dear Andrea It is on the national agenda for the NMAP document to be updated for example to cover hospital based 1-2-1 midwifery and the ACMI Giudelines for Referral Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative Hi Helen, We circulated this document at the Future Birth event in 1996 when Marsden Wagner was on the speaking team. It has been adapted in several countries to reflect local conditions, the most recent one that I saw was for Thailand where the Childbirth and Breastfeeding Foundation of Thailand prepared a variation for use in Cambodia, where they were presenting training workshops for maternity professionals (about 18 months ago now). The original version is specifically designed for the US scene (see the point about circumcision, as an example) and so would need to be adapted for use in OZ. Personally, I think that the NMAP takes its place here, and because this document is aimed at strengthening midwifery practise, it follows that the resultant care would be more mother friendly. Cheers Andrea At 05:36 PM 20/03/2005, you wrote: Found this online whilst surfing and wondered if Australia is looking to implement this kind of idea too (or an adaptation of same). I have only heard of the WHO/UNICEF Baby friendly Hospital Initiative which is very much in use in Australia. Can anyone fill me in? It sounds like a great idea to me and should give ammunition to those midwives working in hospitals striving to make improvements in their care/minimize interventions. Maybe maternity coalition may be able to formulate something similar or maybe they have already! - if so, excuse my ignorance... Helen Cahill http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/steps/http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/steps/ The Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative Ten Steps of the Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative for Mother-Friendly Hospitals, Birth Centers, and Home Birth Services To receive CIMS designation as mother-friendly, a hospital, http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#BCenterbirth center, or home birth service must carry out our philosophical principles by fulfilling the Ten Steps of Mother-Friendly Care: A mother-friendly hospital, birth center, or home birth service: * Offers all birthing mothers: * Unrestricted access to the birth companions of her choice, including fathers, partners, children, family members, and friends; * Unrestricted access to continuous emotional and physical support from a skilled woman-for example, a http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#douladoula or labor-support professional: * Access to professional midwifery care. (http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/1/References) * Provides accurate descriptive and statistical information to the public about its practices and procedures for birth care, including measures of interventions and outcomes.(http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/2/References) * Provides culturally competent care -- that is, care that is sensitive and responsive to the specific beliefs, values, and customs of the mother's ethnicity and religion.(http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/3/References) * Provides the birthing woman with the freedom to walk, move about, and assume the positions of her choice during labor and birth (unless restriction is specifically required to correct a complication), and discourages the use of the lithotomy (flat on back with legs elevated) position.(http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/4/References) * Has clearly defined policies and procedures for: * collaborating and consulting throughout the perinatal period with other maternity services, including communicating with the original caregiver when transfer from one birth site to another is necessary; * linking the mother and baby to appropriate community resources, including prenatal and post-discharge follow-up and breastfeeding support.(http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/5/References) * Does not routinely employ practices and procedures that are unsupported by scientific evidence, including but not limited to the following: * shaving; * enemas; * IVs (intravenous drip); * withholding nourishment; * early http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#Rupturerupture of membranes; * electronic fetal monitoring; Other interventions are limited as follows: * Has an http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#Inductioninduction rate of 10% or less; * Has an
[ozmidwifery] European Midwifery
Hi everyone thankyou to everyone that replied before, but I have another request. I have just about finished planning the tour, but am struggling with info on Danish or Swedish or somewhere in that area (!) midwifery services and midwives. Any ideas on where I can get this info in English, when I do a web search, I get some info, but the websites are in that country's language. I tried a website translator but it did not work well with the websites. So if anyone can impart location detail etc or anything that you think may help I would be greatful!!! thanks Katrina :-) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: implanon and breastfeeding
Yep ..forget the vasectomy as foolproof..we have baby number six 9 years after the vasectomyand a lovely little boy he is too !! Melanie Gregory 2 John Street, Shenton Park Perth 6008 WA home tel.(08) 93817970 From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Larissa Inns Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:49 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: implanon and breastfeeding Is there reallya 10% risk of uterine puncture? I've not seen that stat yet ( or did I have my eyes shut? LOL). As for the vasectomy - nothing is fool proof and I personally know 2 people who had failed vasectomies where they magically regrew back together (the body is very clever!). Hugs,Larissa the Mirena was recommended. But my gyn gave me a 10% risk of uterine puncture, which made me decide against it. Oral contraceptives are not an option for me, which is serously narrowing the choices. That vasectomy is looking good! Kate
Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding
No they both coexist. Implanon being iseerted in the arm and i think its life in oz is 2 yrs or maybe 3yrs (need to reread the pamphlett from Family Planning), there was one in the USA called Norplant which lasted 5yrs. Mirena is the IUD which is implanted with progesterone and also a very ngood option. marilyn - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding Just out of curiosity Is implanon theone you get inserted in your arm? What is it's recommended life? Has this replaced the Mireana (IUD)? Kiwi Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/22/05 15:55:09 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding BTW is implanon now approved in Australia for breastfeeding mothers?? I was told it was. It didn't affect my milk supply. I had it inserted at 8 weeks, and removed after a year (due to intolerable side-effects!) Kate
Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding
wow! where does that 10 % risk of uterine puncture come from - insertion technique? One of my daughters uses the Mirena and after years of painful periods with the other IUD is very thrilled with the Mirena, she also cannot use other hormonal contraceptives, but thought the Mirena was worth trying as the progesterone is thought to act only locally on the uterine lining and not be systemic. apparently this is so as she has experienced only good side effects. marilyn - Original Message - From: Kate /or Nick To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding Yes it was in my arm. LIfe is 3 years. I gave it a year before I decided to have it removed due to side effects (very long, frequent,heavy menses. I washaving a 10-12 day period, a 3 day gap, andother 10-12 day perioda 5 day gap and then the cycle began again. Certainly very effective contraception!) In my case, once it was removed, the Mirena was recommended. But my gyn gave me a 10% risk of uterine puncture, which made me decide against it. Oral contraceptives are not an option for me, which is serously narrowing the choices. That vasectomy is looking good! Kate - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding Just out of curiosity Is implanon theone you get inserted in your arm? What is it's recommended life? Has this replaced the Mireana (IUD)? Kiwi Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/22/05 15:55:09 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding BTW is implanon now approved in Australia for breastfeeding mothers?? I was told it was. It didn't affect my milk supply. I had it inserted at 8 weeks, and removed after a year (due to intolerable side-effects!) Kate
RE: [ozmidwifery] European Midwifery
Dear Katrina Yes, you're right - not many websites translated into English concerning the Scandinavian Midwifery. The Scandinavians do have a long tradition of midwifery, however, I'm not too enthusiatic about the present code of conduct. Spoiled? - I don't think so. I do not know much about the other Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden and Finland, where the Nordic countries as a whole consists of the Scandinavian + Faroe Islands and Iceland + Greenland which in this matter still is a part of Denmark). I do believe, the Danish Midwives for the most part have conformed to the obstetric model, but the few we have that are really working for women are angels - and we still have some quite remarkable ones as such! My husband did a quick search on google on midwifery services originating from Denmark and below are his results, that are in English. Besides that, I can tell you, that our Danish Midwifery Association just celebrated it's 100 year anniversary in 2002 and has 2070 members (April 2004). Our General Guidelines for Pregnancy, Birth and Maternity holds a huge role for midwifery care and respect for the women's choices. In practice, though, our situation sounds pretty much like yours - lacking informed choice, bullying from obs to push correct care (screening for no use and lots of frustation, inventions and almost none midwifery based maternity care, but nurse maternity care up til 24 months through frequent visits) and a growing rate of post birth problems and depressions. We consult a midwife during pregnancy, but the chance you see the same again on later visits or during birth or after is slim. you have a better chance of consulting your GP or Ob more than twice. Most of our midwives are trained to perform acupuncture during pregnancy and birth for the most frequent disorders. If we're lucky and persistent enough or know how to find our good midwife, we do waterbirths. Where available (only in a few districts and if you know about it, though we have a legal right) homebirths are an luxory, even though it's stated in the law that it's our right. The right is, however, handicapped by poor information to all pregnants, and also to the fact that most midwives will acknowledge our right despite their nonexistant or poorly based experience in helping mothers birth outside hospital setting. Transfer rate of homebirths (national rate less than one per cent) is around one third if you ask the women and much less (due to other causes) if you check the statistics. But we're struggling to waive our right to have a care according to womens needs and wishes. During this Spring we'll stage a conference about the issues above for the mother to be, parents in spe, birthing professionals and legislative and executing bodies. This conference will be held in connection to the Midwifery Today Conference in Copenhagen - as always a Midwifery Conference is worth while attending - Copenhagen is at it's best in May (remember our royal wedding last year - our crown prince maarying May of Tasmania) and great speakers to fill your heart with new and enthralling wisdom and knowledge. Danish Midwifery School Copenhagen has just one page in English with nonfunctioning links http://jord.cvuoeresund.dk/index.php?newlang=eng http://www.midwiferytoday.com/conferences/denmark2005/ Circulars and guidelines in English http://www.dadj.dk/index.dsp?page=515. DADJ = Danish Midwives Association Including: The Scope of Practises Duties Circular on the Obligation of Midwives to Keep Organised Records(keeping records). 1. Introduction 2. Fields of midwifery 2.1. Examination - consultancy, etc. 2.2. Midwifery at uncomplicated deliveries 2.3. Complicated deliveries, conditions of illness, etc. 2.4. Necessary midwifery assistance 2.5. Home births 2.6. Baptism in case of emergency 3. The midwife's use of medicaments, etc. 3.1. Independent use of medicaments 3.2. Prescription or authority given by the doctor 3.3. Blood samples 4. Care and Conscientiousness 5. Information and consent 6. Professional secrecy 7. Obligation to record keeping 8. Obligation to report 8.1. Birth notification 8.1.2. Notifications to the health authorities 8.1.2.1. Notification of births in hospitals 8.1.2.2. Notification of births outside the hospital 8.1.3. Notification to the civil authorities 8.1.3.1. Birth notification in Denmark outside North Schleswig and on the Faeroe Islands 8.1.3.2. Birth in North Schleswig 8.2. Forms for birth notification 8.3. Notification of cleft lip/palate A personal experience of midwifery in Denmark http://www.intermid.co.uk/cgi-bin/go.pl/library/article.cgi?uid=7952 (Have to be a member.) Kim Godsman British Journal of Midwifery, Vol. 9, Iss. 7, 05 Jul 2001, pp 434 - 437 Having secured a scholarship to explore midwifery in Denmark, the author visited Copenhagen in February 1999. She undertook a study period to explore midwifery care at a midwifery led unit in Hvidovre Hospital. Care provision was effective, in particular
Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding
i have mirena which i can recomend to anyone. the reason i have one is not for contraception but for a problem with heavy menses which left me anemic. my ob gave me a choice of a mirena which i paid 300 for or a hysterectomy. i chose the mirena now iam glad to say it is available on the pbs a lot cheaper and therefore women have easier acess to this device. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding No they both coexist. Implanon being iseerted in the arm and i think its life in oz is 2 yrs or maybe 3yrs (need to reread the pamphlett from Family Planning), there was one in the USA called Norplant which lasted 5yrs. Mirena is the IUD which is implanted with progesterone and also a very ngood option. marilyn - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding Just out of curiosity Is implanon theone you get inserted in your arm? What is it's recommended life? Has this replaced the Mireana (IUD)? Kiwi Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/22/05 15:55:09 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] implanon and breastfeeding BTW is implanon now approved in Australia for breastfeeding mothers?? I was told it was. It didn't affect my milk supply. I had it inserted at 8 weeks, and removed after a year (due to intolerable side-effects!) Kate
RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery models support group
Dear all, Just to let you know that the College has recently established a number of communication tools to help people exchange ideas and experiences around developing new models of midwifery care. We've recently created a discussion board, which has a number of categories to it, aimed at helping people have contact with one another and exchange ideas. You don't need to be a member of the College to participate (though we would of course welcome your joining). The discussion groups are brand new, and we're in the process now of writing to members and midwives more widely to let people know about this option. Just click on the link below to go to the relevant page on the College's website. We would welcome your involvement in making the discussion board a useful forum for specific discussions about establishing new models of care and other things. http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=40283 This facility is not intended to compete with the fabulous ozmidwidery list. Rather it's purpose is to provide a site where some discussion over time about specific issues between communities of midwives (such as new graduates, rural midwives, caseload birth centre midwives, etc) can be developed. If you've got ideas about how these discussion groups can be better targeted, or changed/added to, I'd love to hear from you. Kind regards, Barb. 'The College of Midwives: Working hard to help create a bright future for Australian midwives and women' Dr Barbara Vernon Executive Officer Australian College of Midwives Ph +61 2 6230 7333 Mob 0438 855 529 'Midwifery: Pathways to Healthy Nations' 27th Congress of the International Confederation of Midwives Brisbane Convention Centre, 24-28 July 2005 http://www.midwives2005.com/index.shtml www.midwives2005.com/index.shtml From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 15 March 2005 5:21:50 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re:Midwifery models support group Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au I agree whole heartedly Anne that what you suggested is essential. The reason the Obcollege is so powerful is all because of unity and toeing the party line. My only concern is could this not be an ACMI thing? I know many are not part of ACMI and perhaps there should be discussion as to why this is the case- perhaps an initiative like this might be something that you can work with ACMI as well as MC and oz mid??? Just asking! ;o) Jo -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf OfSandra J. Eales Sent:Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:27 PM To:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject:[ozmidwifery] Re:Midwifery models support group Anne I think this is a great idea to support and progress development of midwifery models. Sandra Eales Mareeba - Original Message - From: Anne Clarke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent:Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:45 AM Subject:Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Dear All, If anyone knows or would like to let a unit know that is has a Midwifery model of care or who would like their unit to be a Midiwfery model of care, I am going a little step further than Jo who is putting together a list of Midwifery led care. Since Midwifery is now starting to grow in some areas I am suggesting to put together a Newsletter and further communication lines with Midwives that is a little different than the ozmid list of general discussion. I am happy to coordinate this initially. Of cours ozmid will still be a part of our lines of communication. The purpose is to let colleagues know of what types of Midwifery led care is out there, act as a mentor, listening post, exchange ideas, problems etc etc etc. on a one to one, unit to unit basis. It can be very useful when introducing this model of care (in its many forms) brainstorm problems, new ideas, and not reinvent the wheel if someone has already gone through the process. Get the idea? So it is up to you all to get back to me with: 1. names 2. locations 3. contact numbers 4. contact addresses 5. snail mail 6. email contact 7. Summary of your model of care I will put together a format - it will probably be through email attachment: winmail.dat
[ozmidwifery] FW: vasectomy
Title: FW: vasectomy Hi all, Having just done the research, my beloved says he found the suggested fail rate of a vasectomy quoted as being between 1 in 500 to 1 in 1000. Most instances were due to not having waited long enough or getting confirmation with a second test. I also have a girlfriend having her third baby, 2 1/2 yrs after a vasectomy. Having said that I have heard a tubal ligation has a fail rate of 1 in 200, with the risk of an ectopic pregnancy very high as a result. Looking better for the blokes than us girls. If you really think there is a risk (as in Jo's hubbys case) get him to have a sperm count done, it should rule out if he is fertile. Could be worth having done every so often to see what is happening? Or , look at that if you get another baby, then thats a bit special too. Cheers Megan (Looking forward to life post-vasectomy very soon. LOL)
RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: vasectomy
Title: FW: vasectomy Megan Dean said it would be not so bad if we could get a girlbut as you can well understandfour boys would just push e over the edge! Ha ha Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan and Larry Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:19 AM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: vasectomy Hi all, Having just done the research, my beloved says he found the suggested fail rate of a vasectomy quoted as being between 1 in 500 to 1 in 1000. Most instances were due to not having waited long enough or getting confirmation with a second test. I also have a girlfriend having her third baby, 2 1/2 yrs after a vasectomy. Having said that I have heard a tubal ligation has a fail rate of 1 in 200, with the risk of an ectopic pregnancy very high as a result. Looking better for the blokes than us girls. If you really think there is a risk (as in Jo's hubbys case) get him to have a sperm count done, it should rule out if he is fertile. Could be worth having done every so often to see what is happening? Or , look at that if you get another baby, then thats a bit special too. Cheers Megan (Looking forward to life post-vasectomy very soon. LOL) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: vasectomy
Title: FW: vasectomy I love this thread, even though I am okay about not having any more, you know its time to start being not so broke all the time (studies). my partner only wanted two but we have four which we are very happy about, but there is a part of me that would be really happy if the vasectomy 'failed' !People think I am mad! what we did for 15 years was I said I didn't mind having more so I told my partner he could take charge of contraception, hence four (nearly five) babies. Then when he really felt that was enough (he is 10 years older than me and feels he is getting too old) he went and got a vasectomy Belinda - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: vasectomy Megan Dean said it would be not so bad if we could get a girlbut as you can well understandfour boys would just push e over the edge! Ha ha Jo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan and LarrySent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:19 AMTo: ozmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] FW: vasectomy Hi all, Having just done the research, my beloved says he found the suggested fail rate of a vasectomy quoted as being between 1 in 500 to 1 in 1000. Most instances were due to not having waited long enough or getting confirmation with a second test. I also have a girlfriend having her third baby, 2 1/2 yrs after a vasectomy. Having said that I have heard a tubal ligation has a fail rate of 1 in 200, with the risk of an ectopic pregnancy very high as a result. Looking better for the blokes than us girls. If you really think there is a risk (as in Jo's hubbys case) get him to have a sperm count done, it should rule out if he is fertile. Could be worth having done every so often to see what is happening? Or , look at that if you get another baby, then thats a bit special too. Cheers Megan (Looking forward to life post-vasectomy very soon. LOL) --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: implanon and breastfeeding
Mmm. Glad I didn't know these vas facts when I was in my reproductive years! Cheers all. Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 0835 0419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Melanie Gregory To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:11 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: implanon and breastfeeding Yep ..forget the vasectomy as foolproof..we have baby number six 9 years after the vasectomyand a lovely little boy he is too !! Melanie Gregory 2 John Street, Shenton Park Perth 6008 WA home tel.(08) 93817970 From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Larissa InnsSent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:49 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Re: implanon and breastfeeding Is there reallya 10% risk of uterine puncture? I've not seen that stat yet ( or did I have my eyes shut? LOL). As for the vasectomy - nothing is fool proof and I personally know 2 people who had failed vasectomies where they magically regrew back together (the body is very clever!). Hugs,Larissa the Mirena was recommended. But my gyn gave me a 10% risk of uterine puncture, which made me decide against it. Oral contraceptives are not an option for me, which is serously narrowing the choices. That vasectomy is looking good! Kate
RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: vasectomy
Title: FW: vasectomy I did meet a man in New Zealand who had, had two vasectomies, they were on the their sixth child, as both vasectomies had failed. They decided that it must be the Will of God. Who can argue with that??? Cheers Lindsay From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan and Larry Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:49 AM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: vasectomy Hi all, Having just done the research, my beloved says he found the suggested fail rate of a vasectomy quoted as being between 1 in 500 to 1 in 1000. Most instances were due to not having waited long enough or getting confirmation with a second test. I also have a girlfriend having her third baby, 2 1/2 yrs after a vasectomy. Having said that I have heard a tubal ligation has a fail rate of 1 in 200, with the risk of an ectopic pregnancy very high as a result. Looking better for the blokes than us girls. If you really think there is a risk (as in Jo's hubbys case) get him to have a sperm count done, it should rule out if he is fertile. Could be worth having done every so often to see what is happening? Or , look at that if you get another baby, then thats a bit special too. Cheers Megan (Looking forward to life post-vasectomy very soon. LOL)
RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative
Hi all I have talked with Andrea over the years about the idea of Maternity Coalition taking up the Mother-Friendly Childbirth material. I discovered it independently in 1997 or so and we ran an MC workshop using it as a basis. In 1998 we also organised a lunchtime session at the Birth amongst Friends conference in Canberra at which anthropologist Robbie Davis-Floyd talked about the processes of dialogue which finally produced the CIMS (Coalition for improving maternity services)consensus statement that MFCI now is. Robbie had been closely involved in it all along and I have talked with her since then about its limited but important role in the US as a model for hospitals to aspire to. At that time, '98, though there seemed little interest from midwives, possibly for reasons to do with time and place. Andrea, I think rightly, pointed out to me that the dialogue about desirable goals needed to happen at the Australian level. I think NMAP and midwifery developments have now facilitated that, and I for one (not speaking for MC at all) would like to see us develop a similar 'steps' type program. What I think MFCI offers is a set of goals clearly spelt out that can be useful in a variety of settings, including private. It is women-focused rather than midwife/professional focused which is both philosophically important but also strategically useful with obs/managers. That it's used elsewhere can also be valuable, but yes, it needs local development. Who else thinks it useful as a basis and is interested in getting such a process going? Cheers Kerreen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 8:38 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative Dear Andrea It is on the national agenda for the NMAP document to be updated for example to cover hospital based 1-2-1 midwifery and the ACMI Giudelines for Referral Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative Hi Helen, We circulated this document at the Future Birth event in 1996 when Marsden Wagner was on the speaking team. It has been adapted in several countries to reflect local conditions, the most recent one that I saw was for Thailand where the Childbirth and Breastfeeding Foundation of Thailand prepared a variation for use in Cambodia, where they were presenting training workshops for maternity professionals (about 18 months ago now). The original version is specifically designed for the US scene (see the point about circumcision, as an example) and so would need to be adapted for use in OZ. Personally, I think that the NMAP takes its place here, and because this document is aimed at strengthening midwifery practise, it follows that the resultant care would be more mother friendly. Cheers Andrea At 05:36 PM 20/03/2005, you wrote: Found this online whilst surfing and wondered if Australia is looking to implement this kind of idea too (or an adaptation of same). I have only heard of the WHO/UNICEF Baby friendly Hospital Initiative which is very much in use in Australia. Can anyone fill me in? It sounds like a great idea to me and should give ammunition to those midwives working in hospitals striving to make improvements in their care/minimize interventions. Maybe maternity coalition may be able to formulate something similar or maybe they have already! - if so, excuse my ignorance... Helen Cahill http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/steps/http://www.motherfriendly.o rg/MFCI/steps/ The Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative Ten Steps of the Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative for Mother-Friendly Hospitals, Birth Centers, and Home Birth Services To receive CIMS designation as mother-friendly, a hospital, http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#BCenterbirth center, or home birth service must carry out our philosophical principles by fulfilling the Ten Steps of Mother-Friendly Care: A mother-friendly hospital, birth center, or home birth service: * Offers all birthing mothers: * Unrestricted access to the birth companions of her choice, including fathers, partners, children, family members, and friends; * Unrestricted access to continuous emotional and physical support from a skilled woman-for example, a http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#douladoula or labor-support professional: * Access to professional midwifery care. (http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/references/1/References) * Provides accurate descriptive and
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I am very keen to get on board with this. I have been lying low the last few years doing my PhD (I have just referenced you Kerreen!) but the end is in sight (!!!)and I have looked at the mfhi stuff before. I get regular info from WABA as well which has this type of work in mind and although a breastfeeding organization they are well aware of the influence of poor birthing practices etc Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kerreen Reiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative Hi all I have talked with Andrea over the years about the idea of Maternity Coalition taking up the Mother-Friendly Childbirth material. I discovered it independently in 1997 or so and we ran an MC workshop using it as a basis. In 1998 we also organised a lunchtime session at the Birth amongst Friends conference in Canberra at which anthropologist Robbie Davis-Floyd talked about the processes of dialogue which finally produced the CIMS (Coalition for improving maternity services)consensus statement that MFCI now is. Robbie had been closely involved in it all along and I have talked with her since then about its limited but important role in the US as a model for hospitals to aspire to. At that time, '98, though there seemed little interest from midwives, possibly for reasons to do with time and place. Andrea, I think rightly, pointed out to me that the dialogue about desirable goals needed to happen at the Australian level. I think NMAP and midwifery developments have now facilitated that, and I for one (not speaking for MC at all) would like to see us develop a similar 'steps' type program. What I think MFCI offers is a set of goals clearly spelt out that can be useful in a variety of settings, including private. It is women-focused rather than midwife/professional focused which is both philosophically important but also strategically useful with obs/managers. That it's used elsewhere can also be valuable, but yes, it needs local development. Who else thinks it useful as a basis and is interested in getting such a process going? Cheers Kerreen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 8:38 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative Dear Andrea It is on the national agenda for the NMAP document to be updated for example to cover hospital based 1-2-1 midwifery and the ACMI Giudelines for Referral Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative Hi Helen, We circulated this document at the Future Birth event in 1996 when Marsden Wagner was on the speaking team. It has been adapted in several countries to reflect local conditions, the most recent one that I saw was for Thailand where the Childbirth and Breastfeeding Foundation of Thailand prepared a variation for use in Cambodia, where they were presenting training workshops for maternity professionals (about 18 months ago now). The original version is specifically designed for the US scene (see the point about circumcision, as an example) and so would need to be adapted for use in OZ. Personally, I think that the NMAP takes its place here, and because this document is aimed at strengthening midwifery practise, it follows that the resultant care would be more mother friendly. Cheers Andrea At 05:36 PM 20/03/2005, you wrote: Found this online whilst surfing and wondered if Australia is looking to implement this kind of idea too (or an adaptation of same). I have only heard of the WHO/UNICEF Baby friendly Hospital Initiative which is very much in use in Australia. Can anyone fill me in? It sounds like a great idea to me and should give ammunition to those midwives working in hospitals striving to make improvements in their care/minimize interventions. Maybe maternity coalition may be able to formulate something similar or maybe they have already! - if so, excuse my ignorance... Helen Cahill http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/steps/http://www.motherfriendly.o rg/MFCI/steps/ The Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative Ten Steps of the Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative for Mother-Friendly Hospitals, Birth Centers, and Home Birth Services To receive CIMS designation as mother-friendly, a hospital, http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/glossary/#BCenterbirth center, or home birth service must carry out our philosophical principles by fulfilling the Ten Steps of Mother-Friendly
RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: vasectomy
Miriam and you are amazing...me I would be just plain nuts! I think I would like to just get Sam off to school, get a real job, earn some money and work on my teenage goals of being a materialistic high flyerNOT! Love Jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative
Hi Kerreen As per my earlier email I love the idea as being a concrete platform on which to develop policy. I also like the fact that the initiative is woman focussed and not midwife/health professional focussed as once the parameters are set into place, the assessor evaluating the health care facility doesn't have to be a health professional. This helps to keeps the whole thing objective and independent. I think it works pretty well with the Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative (BFHI). I'd love to see it happen, given the success of the BFHI and think MC would be the best placed to develop it and oversee it. Helen Cahill - Original Message - From: Kerreen Reiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative Hi all I have talked with Andrea over the years about the idea of Maternity Coalition taking up the Mother-Friendly Childbirth material. I discovered it independently in 1997 or so and we ran an MC workshop using it as a basis. In 1998 we also organised a lunchtime session at the Birth amongst Friends conference in Canberra at which anthropologist Robbie Davis-Floyd talked about the processes of dialogue which finally produced the CIMS (Coalition for improving maternity services)consensus statement that MFCI now is. Robbie had been closely involved in it all along and I have talked with her since then about its limited but important role in the US as a model for hospitals to aspire to. At that time, '98, though there seemed little interest from midwives, possibly for reasons to do with time and place. Andrea, I think rightly, pointed out to me that the dialogue about desirable goals needed to happen at the Australian level. I think NMAP and midwifery developments have now facilitated that, and I for one (not speaking for MC at all) would like to see us develop a similar 'steps' type program. What I think MFCI offers is a set of goals clearly spelt out that can be useful in a variety of settings, including private. It is women-focused rather than midwife/professional focused which is both philosophically important but also strategically useful with obs/managers. That it's used elsewhere can also be valuable, but yes, it needs local development. Who else thinks it useful as a basis and is interested in getting such a process going? Cheers Kerreen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 8:38 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative Dear Andrea It is on the national agenda for the NMAP document to be updated for example to cover hospital based 1-2-1 midwifery and the ACMI Giudelines for Referral Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:Mother Friendly Childbirth Initiative Hi Helen, We circulated this document at the Future Birth event in 1996 when Marsden Wagner was on the speaking team. It has been adapted in several countries to reflect local conditions, the most recent one that I saw was for Thailand where the Childbirth and Breastfeeding Foundation of Thailand prepared a variation for use in Cambodia, where they were presenting training workshops for maternity professionals (about 18 months ago now). The original version is specifically designed for the US scene (see the point about circumcision, as an example) and so would need to be adapted for use in OZ. Personally, I think that the NMAP takes its place here, and because this document is aimed at strengthening midwifery practise, it follows that the resultant care would be more mother friendly. Cheers Andrea At 05:36 PM 20/03/2005, you wrote: Found this online whilst surfing and wondered if Australia is looking to implement this kind of idea too (or an adaptation of same). I have only heard of the WHO/UNICEF Baby friendly Hospital Initiative which is very much in use in Australia. Can anyone fill me in? It sounds like a great idea to me and should give ammunition to those midwives working in hospitals striving to make improvements in their care/minimize interventions. Maybe maternity coalition may be able to formulate something similar or maybe they have already! - if so, excuse my ignorance... Helen Cahill http://www.motherfriendly.org/MFCI/steps/http://www.motherfriendly.o rg/MFCI/steps/ The Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative Ten Steps of the Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative for Mother-Friendly Hospitals, Birth Centers, and Home Birth Services To receive CIMS designation as mother-friendly, a hospital,
