[ozmidwifery] Appropriate birth video

[Mrs Joanne M Fisher]

Can anyone recommend a birth video that may be appropriate for 
both caucasian clients and indigenous women?  A midwife friend of mine 
on Thursday Island (QLD) is asking.  Thanks.
 
Cheers, Joanne.

[ozmidwifery] ICM

[Cheryl LHK]

Just need some more info.
Have sent (and paid) the application to attend the ICM in Brisbane in July.  
But have received no further information regarding the four days, which 
lectures I can choose from etc, jsut the confirmation e-mail and receipt.  
Has anyone else recieved more than this, or are they still processing 
things?

Cheryl
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[ozmidwifery] Article by Dr Cindy Pan

[Barb Glare & Chris Bright]

Hi,


The article below was in the "Body and Soul" section of the Sydney Sunday
Telegraph and the Melb Herald Sun
Talk about damning with faint praise

Barb
> Feeding a baby for the first six months of his or her life should be easy,
> but that's not always the case.
>
> Dr Cindy Pan
> mother's milk
>
> Heard the expressing "breast is best"?  For some this is with religious
> fervour.  For others, it's an oppressive, distress-inducing edict
> responsibile for inflicting near-fatal levels of "mother-guilt"!
> Fortunately, most of us fall somewhere between these two extremes.  And
> while breastfeeding can have benefits for mother and baby, it may not be
the
> best option for some mums and bubs, for many reasons.
>
> What are the pros?
> 1. Breastmilk provides all the fluid and nutrients the baby needs in the
> right proportions.
> 2. It contains anti-bodies which can help protect the baby from some
> illnesses, it's also thought to be beneficial for babies where there's a
> family history of allergies and eczema.
> 3. The protein in breastmilk is more easily digested than cow's milk
protein
> and allergy to breastmilk is very rare.
> 4. Breastmilk requires no preparation, it is always at the right
> temperature, is highly economical (free!) and babies seem to love the
taste
> (although adults who have tasted it usually find this inexplicable).
> 5. The babies suckling helps the mother's uterus contract and return to it
> pre-pregnant state more quickly.
> 6. Some people also say breastfeeding helps the mother regain her figure.
> 7. Breastfeeding is good for bonding and babies find sucking comforting
and
> very soothing.'
> 8. Hormones released such as oxytocin and prolactin can stimulate
nurturing
> behaviour and feelings of warmth and love.  These hormones also help the
> mother relax.
> 9. Breastfeeding exclusively (as in no supplementing with bottle-feeding
or
> solids) can delay the return of ovulation and menstruation which is
helpful
> if the woman wishes to delay conceiving again.
> 10. Breastfed babies poos are considered by many to be less offensive to
the
> nose!
>
> What are the cons?
> 1. Some women have great difficulty breastfeeding.
> 2. Some women develop problems such as mastitis, grazed nipples, nipple
> thrush, blocked ducts and even breast abscesses as a result of problems
> relating to breastfeeding.
> 3. Some women simply don't enjoy breastfeeding or don't wish to.
> 4. Some babies refuse the breast and actually seem to thrive on the
bottle.
> 5. Some women find breastfeeding inconvenient, especially if they want to
> return to work (when the breast becomes engorged with milk it can be
painful
> until the milk is expressed).
> 6. No-one else can feed the baby except the mother (unless she can express
> her breastmilk beforehand for someone else to bottle-feed).  And some
> partners (and Grandmothers)
> can feel a little left out of that "enchanted circle").
> 7.  Some women have great difficulty expressing milk while other simply
find
> the procedure unpleasant, uncomfortable, fiddly and a hassle.
> 8. A lot of medications can't be taken while breastfeeding.  And some
women
> may find it imposes dietary restrictions on them when they find that
certain
> foods or drinks have adverse effects on their baby.
> 9. There may be the issue of transmitting infection from mother to child
via
> breastmilk.
> 10. Profusely leaking nipples, the need to wear breastpads, nursing bras
and
> clothing that can easily be removed to expose the breasts, and feeling
like
> a milk bar that's expected to remain open for trading 24 hours a day, 7
days
> a week can become rather annoying.
>
> Irrefutably, in the vast majority of cases, breast is, indeed, by far the
> best.  Nonetheless, there are many valid reasons why some women prefer not
> to breastfeed.  Tied up with these is, almost inevitably a degree of
guilt.
>
> When the woman attempts through gritted teeth to persevere in spite of the
> problems, she may succeed, but may feel resentful.
>
> Unfortunately this resentment is likely to engender further feelings of
> guilt and unworthiness.  The mothers mood and self-esteem are important in
> themselves, and they're also critical determinants of the baby's
well-being.
> So it's vital that the mother's feelings and preferences are considered.
> Theoretical benefits must be carefully weighed against practical concerns.
>
> What's best for each individual baby, a mother and family is something
that
> should ideally be decided between the woman and the person or people she
> trusts, whether that's her doctor, a midwife or lactation consultant, her
> partner, her mum, or her best friend or her neighbour.  It's important not
> to judge women negatively about choosing not to breastfeed.
>


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Article by Dr Cindy Pan

[JoFromOz]

Barb Glare & Chris Bright wrote:
Hi,
The article below was in the "Body and Soul" section of the Sydney Sunday
Telegraph and the Melb Herald Sun
Talk about damning with faint praise
Barb
 

 

That article was in something else, too... the West Australian or Sunday 
Times - can't remember.  I didn't like it at all, either and the point:

8. A lot of medications can't be taken while breastfeeding.
Isn't true... SOME medications can't be taken while breastfeeding - many that 
can't have viable alternatives that CAN.
The whole thing was disappointing, I thought.
Jo (RM)
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[ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding

[Justine Caines]

Title: FW: Breastfeeding



FYI

My letter to Cindy Pan

JC
xx
-- Forwarded Message
From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:28:46 +1000
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Breastfeeding

Dear Cindy

I read your recent article on infant feeding and was very disappointed.

As you say “Breast is indeed by far best” so why not promote breastfeeding and a woman’s amazing ability to nurture a child?  Your piece did nothing to improve women’s confidence or ability to fall into the mother guilt trap.  In fact you trod the tired road of those with vested interests. What I read did not empower women, promoting their wonderful capable bodies, it erred on undermining them.  Feeling like a milk bar etc.

But I think you really excelled when saying

    “it's vital that the mother's feelings and preferences are considered. Theoretical benefits 
must be carefully weighed against practical concerns.”

Theoretical benefits??

As a mother of 4.  I ask the theoretical benefit of being able to instantly soothe my infant and not wait for the formula to be made at the right temperature.  I ask what is the theoretical benefit of reduced admission to hospital for breast-fed babies? 

Why not look at the support women need to successfully breastfeed?  Post-natal support in Australia (other than highly specialist crisis care such as Trescillian and Karitane, also nearly impossible to access) is virtually non-existent.  Australia’s maternity health system is very broken and is based on the needs of practitioners and organisations, rather than women and their families. The huge increase in surgical birth has a direct impact on breastfeeding success.  It is very difficult to bond when recovering from major surgery with a morphine drip in-situ. Any artificial hormone such as oxytocics or pain medication interferes with the amazing cocktail of natural oxytocin that assists a woman fall in love with her baby (see Michel Odent’s work).

I can say with authority that when this natural love hormone is maintained the results are amazing.

Lovely experiences don’t sell papers, books or infant formula do they?

They just negate mother guilt and assist in the development of a happy and healthy human race.

I know what’s more important.

I hope this helps

Kind regards

Justine Caines

Mother to 4
Ruby 5, Clancy 4, William 2 and Tobias 14 months
And the last little one due December
(Someone who loves mothering, birthed her babies under her own steam and fed each in excess 
 of 12 months and feels no guilt!)

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding

[Barry & Sonja]

Title: FW: Breastfeeding



How wonderful Justine!  
Great letter and fabulous to hear of another 
gorgeous baby for you!!!
Sonja 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Justine Caines 
  To: OzMid List 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:32 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: 
  Breastfeeding
  FYIMy letter to Cindy 
  PanJCxx-- Forwarded MessageFrom: Justine Caines 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 
  Tue, 17 May 2005 21:28:46 +1000To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: 
  BreastfeedingDear CindyI read your recent article on 
  infant feeding and was very disappointed.As you say “Breast is 
  indeed by far best” so why not promote breastfeeding and a woman’s amazing 
  ability to nurture a child?  Your piece did nothing to improve women’s 
  confidence or ability to fall into the mother guilt trap.  In fact you 
  trod the tired road of those with vested interests. What I read did not 
  empower women, promoting their wonderful capable bodies, it erred on 
  undermining them.  Feeling like a milk bar etc.But I think you 
  really excelled when saying   “it's vital that the mother's feelings and 
  preferences are considered. Theoretical benefits 
  must be carefully weighed against practical 
  concerns.”Theoretical 
  benefits??As a mother of 4.  I ask the theoretical benefit of 
  being able to instantly soothe my infant and not wait for the formula to be 
  made at the right temperature.  I ask what is the theoretical benefit of 
  reduced admission to hospital for breast-fed babies? Why not look at 
  the support women need to successfully breastfeed?  Post-natal support in 
  Australia (other than highly specialist crisis care such as Trescillian and 
  Karitane, also nearly impossible to access) is virtually non-existent. 
   Australia’s maternity health system is very broken and is based on the 
  needs of practitioners and organisations, rather than women and their 
  families. The huge increase in surgical birth has a direct impact on 
  breastfeeding success.  It is very difficult to bond when recovering from 
  major surgery with a morphine drip in-situ. Any artificial hormone such as 
  oxytocics or pain medication interferes with the amazing cocktail of natural 
  oxytocin that assists a woman fall in love with her baby (see Michel Odent’s 
  work).I can say with authority that when this natural love hormone is 
  maintained the results are amazing.Lovely experiences don’t sell 
  papers, books or infant formula do they?They just negate mother guilt 
  and assist in the development of a happy and healthy human race.I know 
  what’s more important.I hope this helpsKind 
  regardsJustine CainesMother to 4Ruby 5, Clancy 4, 
  William 2 and Tobias 14 monthsAnd the last little one due 
  December(Someone who loves mothering, birthed her babies under her own 
  steam and fed each in excess  of 12 months and feels no 
  guilt!)

Re: [ozmidwifery] ICM

[Jan Robinson]

Hi Cheryl
Usually all the programs are in the Congress satchel that you pick up at the Registration Desk when you arrive. 
It's a good idea to go along and register the evening before the Congress officially opens so you have plenty of time to decide what programs you want to attend the next day.
Email the organisers and ask them to clarify this.

If you or any of your colleagues are coming to Sydney first Robyn Thompson and myself would love to show you the beautiful coast of NSW (as well as meet Australian midwives along the way) through our Midwifery Australia pre-congress Professional Tour.  Check out   www.midwiferyaustralia.com.auif you are interested in exploring this option further.

Jan Robinson
Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner
National Coordinator  Australian Society of Independent Midwives
8 Robin Crescent   South Hurstville   NSW   2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350
e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
On 17 May, 2005, at 19:25, Cheryl LHK wrote:

Just need some more info.

Have sent (and paid) the application to attend the ICM in Brisbane in July.  But have received no further information regarding the four days, which lectures I can choose from etc, jsut the confirmation e-mail and receipt.  Has anyone else recieved more than this, or are they still processing things?

Cheryl


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 hi i know this is off the track but i would like to know if it is common 
practice in all SCBU that you do a rectal temp on neonates when they are 
admitted. i know that there is evidence to state this practice is not good and 
that we should be doing tympanic temps as they are far more accurate also can 
anyone point me in the right direction to find this as ive tried looking but 
can find the trial to print out 
thanks sharon
 Anne Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Dear Joanne,
> 

> 
The dose for evening primrose oil for overdue women as per Birth Centre 
Induction of Labour booklet! 
> 
Take Evening Primrose oil (gel-caps 500mg) orally 3 times per day and insert 2 
in the vagina at   bedtime--you must stay laying down on your side or else the 
caps may fall out (only try this as long as the bag of waters is intact). 
> 

> 

> 
It doesn't START labour, only prepares the cervix. You can buy Evening Primrose 
oil at just about any health food/vitamin/herbal type store or supermarket. You 
can start taking about2 - 3 capsules orally daily at almost 38 weeks.
> 

> 
 
> 


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[ozmidwifery] cindy pan

[Tim & Rochelle]

In the past I have found Dr Pan's articles / 
attitudes to pregnancy, labour & birth somewhat disapointing 
too.
Rochelle.

RE: [ozmidwifery] ICM

[Dr Barbara Vernon]

Dear Cheryl,

 

The full program for the Congress, including the social program, is
available on the Congress website.  It includes details of all the
presenters and papers, together with the abstracts for each one.  Just click
on the Congress address below and choose the Congress Program button from
the left hand menu.  

 

Regards Barb.   

 

Dr Barbara Vernon
Executive Officer
Australian College of Midwives
Ph +61 2 6230 7333

'Midwifery: Pathways to Healthy Nations'
27th Congress of the International Confederation of Midwives
Brisbane Convention Centre, 24-28 July 2005
www.midwives2005.com/index.shtml

  _  

From: "Cheryl LHK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 17 May 2005 7:25:57 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] ICM
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au

Just need some more info.

Have sent (and paid) the application to attend the ICM in Brisbane in July.
But have received no further information regarding the four days, which
lectures I can choose from etc, jsut the confirmation e-mail and receipt.
Has anyone else recieved more than this, or are they still processing
things?

Cheryl


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil

[Lindsay Kennedy]

Hi,
I work in the neonatal unit, and we never do rectal temps.  Nor do we do
tympanic temps, they are all axilla.  My opinion is that this must have
varying levels of accuracy, depending on how careful you are with placement
of the thermometer (have seen some very poor practice at times).  One of the
nurses at our NICU is doing research into tympanic vs traditional temp
monitoring at present.  
Cheers
Lindsay

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2005 8:21 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil

 hi i know this is off the track but i would like to know if it is common
practice in all SCBU that you do a rectal temp on neonates when they are
admitted. i know that there is evidence to state this practice is not good
and that we should be doing tympanic temps as they are far more accurate
also can anyone point me in the right direction to find this as ive tried
looking but can find the trial to print out 
thanks sharon
 Anne Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Dear Joanne,
> 

> 
The dose for evening primrose oil for overdue women as per Birth Centre
Induction of Labour booklet! 
> 
Take Evening Primrose oil (gel-caps 500mg) orally 3 times per day and insert
2 in the vagina at   bedtime--you must stay laying down on your side or else
the caps may fall out (only try this as long as the bag of waters is
intact). 
> 

> 

> 
It doesn't START labour, only prepares the cervix. You can buy Evening
Primrose oil at just about any health food/vitamin/herbal type store or
supermarket. You can start taking about2 - 3 capsules orally daily at
almost 38 weeks.
> 

> 
 
> 


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Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding

[Emily]

sounds like someone may have some mother guilt of their own and are looking to bend facts in order to ease their own guilts from the past. shame she had to publish it so widely..is she a GP or an obs? either way, im embarrassed to be in the same profession as her..
 
on a happier note did anyone catch the article on doulas in sunday telegraph sunday magazine may 8th? what a wonderful article and great to see it in a publication with such a wide audience. it constantly amazes me to see how many people dont even know what the word doula means!
love emily
Barry & Sonja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




How wonderful Justine!  
Great letter and fabulous to hear of another gorgeous baby for you!!!
Sonja 

- Original Message - 
From: Justine Caines 
To: OzMid List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding
FYIMy letter to Cindy PanJCxx-- Forwarded MessageFrom: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:28:46 +1000To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: BreastfeedingDear CindyI read your recent article on infant feeding and was very disappointed.As you say “Breast is indeed by far best” so why not promote breastfeeding and a woman’s amazing ability to nurture a child?  Your piece did nothing to improve women’s confidence or ability to fall into the mother guilt trap.  In fact you trod the tired road of those with vested interests. What I read did not !
 empower
 women, promoting their wonderful capable bodies, it erred on undermining them.  Feeling like a milk bar etc.But I think you really excelled when saying   “it's vital that the mother's feelings and preferences are considered. Theoretical benefits must be carefully weighed against practical concerns.”Theoretical benefits??As a mother of 4.  I ask the theoretical benefit of being able to instantly soothe my infant and not wait for the formula to be made at the right temperature.  I ask what is the theoretical benefit of reduced admission to hospital for breast-fed babies? Why not look at the support women need to successfully breastfeed?  Post-natal support in Australia (other than highly specialist crisis care such as Trescil!
 lian and
 Karitane, also nearly impossible to access) is virtually non-existent.  Australia’s maternity health system is very broken and is based on the needs of practitioners and organisations, rather than women and their families. The huge increase in surgical birth has a direct impact on breastfeeding success.  It is very difficult to bond when recovering from major surgery with a morphine drip in-situ. Any artificial hormone such as oxytocics or pain medication interferes with the amazing cocktail of natural oxytocin that assists a woman fall in love with her baby (see Michel Odent’s work).I can say with authority that when this natural love hormone is maintained the results are amazing.Lovely experiences don’t sell papers, books or infant formula do they?They just negate mother guilt and assist in the development of a happy and healthy human race.I know what’s more important.I hope this helpsKind
 regardsJustine CainesMother to 4Ruby 5, Clancy 4, William 2 and Tobias 14 monthsAnd the last little one due December(Someone who loves mothering, birthed her babies under her own steam and fed each in excess  of 12 months and feels no guilt!)
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Re: [ozmidwifery] ICM

[Ann Grieve]

The full program is still being processed and will be available in due course.
Please be patient.
Ann Grieve
ACMI/ICM 2005 Organising Committee

Cheryl LHK wrote:

> Just need some more info.
>
> Have sent (and paid) the application to attend the ICM in Brisbane in July.
> But have received no further information regarding the four days, which
> lectures I can choose from etc, jsut the confirmation e-mail and receipt.
> Has anyone else recieved more than this, or are they still processing
> things?
>
> Cheryl
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil to pr temps.

[Miriam Hannay]

hi there,

it is standard practice in our scbu, for all
admissions.

i have questioned this practice several times and the
answer is usually that 'its necessary to establish
patency'!?! had a babe come from theatre last week
covered in mec and the midwife asks me to do a pr
temp! i question again, and she backtracks saying 'its
the best way of establishing accurate core temp'. 

this is so clearly not evidence based practice - i
find it so frustrating! i'm thinking of doing a lit
review on it for uni and would be interested in other
people's opinions/experiences/information.

regards miriam 2nd year bmid fusa

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Re: [ozmidwifery] temperature

[Emily]

hi all
there is a systematic review on the topic of rectal vs infrared ear temps in children on cochrane database
the conclusion is as follows:
'The authors concluded that although the mean differences between rectal temperature measurements and ear temperature measurements were small, the wide CIs mean that ear temperature is not a good approximation of rectal temperature. They suggest that when body temperature needs to be measured with precision, infrared ear thermometry should not be used in preference to rectal measurement, which is the established method'
 
personally i think its a very invasive and (for older children) embarassing thing for them to go through and as it says above should be done when the temp needs to be known with precision ie when they are very ill, not just as a routine measure. im not sure why they didnt include axilla temps..
love emily
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[ozmidwifery] Re: where are babies from.

[Barbara Stokes]

“had a
babe come from theatre last week”  

I have just joined this list, rural
midwife, and I thought and see babes coming from mothersJ

Barbara Stokes

 

[ozmidwifery] Epidural top-up Policy

[Barbara Stokes]

Does anyone have a policy covering epidural top-ups using
Pethidine/Saline please?

I would also be interested in hearing from any midwife,
regarding yearly accreditation requirements for epidural top-ups.

Our hospital policy requires yearly accreditation based on
top-ups using marcain/fentanyl ie
BP readings every 5 minutes for 30mins.

I have had copy of ?where that pethidine/saline top-ups have
pre top-up bp/pulse, check site etc, then in 5
minutes and infurther 15minutes.

This copy has been taken from our unit.

Looking forward to your reply.

Barbara Stokes, Parkes NSW

Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidural top-up Policy

[Justine Caines]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidural top-up Policy



Gee, why should midwives have ANYTHING to do with epidurals??

I thought midwifery was about well women and normal childbirth.

Shouldn’t this be left to the Drs! Perhaps if midwives said this we would see a change in practice!

Can women in Parkes access deep warm water for pain relief?

I am astounded that the majority of women can access Pethidine and an epidural and yet a tiny majority have access to deep water
(sorry showers don’t count!)

Natural pain relief, that’s the domian of midwifery

JC

Justine Caines
National President  Maternity Coalition Inc
PO Box 105
MERRIWA  NSW  2329
Ph: (02) 65482248
Fax: (02)65482902
Mob: 0408 210273
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidural top-up Policy

[swilliams14]

Unfortunately this is what women want/expect even. (see thread on dramatic 
women) however, out here at Casey we don't offer epidurals as a first line of 
pain relief at all, consequently out of the 54 births we have so far, have had 
no epidurals at all...funnily enough, these women managed well with very little 
pain relief at all, just good midwifery care, support and encouragement.

Sally




Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> Gee, why should midwives have ANYTHING to do with epidurals??
> 
> I thought midwifery was about well women and normal childbirth.
> 
> Shouldn’t this be left to the Drs! Perhaps if midwives said this we 
> would see a change in practice!
> 
> Can women in Parkes access deep warm water for pain relief?
> 
> I am astounded that the majority of women can access Pethidine and an 
> epidural and yet a tiny majority have access to deep water
> (sorry showers don’t count!)
> 
> Natural pain relief, that’s the domian of midwifery
> 
> JC
> 
> Justine Caines
> National President  Maternity Coalition Inc
> PO Box 105
> MERRIWA  NSW  2329
> Ph: (02) 65482248
> Fax: (02)65482902
> Mob: 0408 210273
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.maternitycoalition.org.au

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Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding

[Carina]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding



Could someone please point out where to find the article. I am interested to read it.

Thanks

Carina Brown


On 18/5/05 9:14 AM, "Emily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

sounds like someone may have some mother guilt of their own and are looking to bend facts in order to ease their own guilts from the past. shame she had to publish it so widely..
is she a GP or an obs? either way, im embarrassed to be in the same profession as her..
 
on a happier note did anyone catch the article on doulas in sunday telegraph sunday magazine may 8th? what a wonderful article and great to see it in a publication with such a wide audience. it constantly amazes me to see how many people dont even know what the word doula means!
love emily

Barry & Sonja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How wonderful Justine!  
Great letter and fabulous to hear of another gorgeous baby for you!!!
Sonja 
- Original Message - 
From: Justine Caines   
To: OzMid List   
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding

FYI

My letter to Cindy Pan

JC
xx
-- Forwarded Message
From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:28:46 +1000
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Breastfeeding

Dear Cindy

I read your recent article on infant feeding and was very disappointed.

As you say “Breast is indeed by far best” so why not promote breastfeeding and a woman’s amazing ability to nurture a child?  Your piece did nothing to improve women’s confidence or ability to fall into the mother guilt trap.  In fact you trod the tired road of those with vested interests. What I read did not ! empower women, promoting their wonderful capable bodies, it erred on undermining them.  Feeling like a milk bar etc.

But I think you really excelled when saying

   “it's vital that the mother's feelings and preferences are considered. Theoretical benefits 
must be carefully weighed against practical concerns.”

Theoretical benefits??

As a mother of 4.  I ask the theoretical benefit of being able to instantly soothe my infant and not wait for the formula to be made at the right temperature.  I ask what is the theoretical benefit of reduced admission to hospital for breast-fed babies? 

Why not look at the support women need to successfully breastfeed?  Post-natal support in Australia (other than highly specialist crisis care such as Trescil! lian and Karitane, also nearly impossible to access) is virtually non-existent.  Australia’s maternity health system is very broken and is based on the needs of practitioners and organisations, rather than women and their families. The huge increase in surgical birth has a direct impact on breastfeeding success.  It is very difficult to bond when recovering from major surgery with a morphine drip in-situ. Any artificial hormone such as oxytocics or pain medication interferes with the amazing cocktail of natural oxytocin that assists a woman fall in love with her baby (see Michel Odent’s work).

I can say with authority that when this natural love hormone is maintained the results are amazing.

Lovely experiences don’t sell papers, books or infant formula do they?

They just negate mother guilt and assist in the development of a happy and healthy human race.

I know what’s more important.

I hope this helps

Kind regards

Justine Caines

Mother to 4
Ruby 5, Clancy 4, William 2 and Tobias 14 months
And the last little one due December
(Someone who loves mothering, birthed her babies under her own steam and fed each in excess 
 of 12 months and feels no guilt!)


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Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding

[Carina]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding



Some food for thought,

 What about the women who simply cannot breastfeed and cannot produce enough milk The wet nurse is still in existence in many tribal cultures where formulary has no influence. It’s very easy to be passionate about something and sing it’s praises when you have experienced success, but what about those women who don’t succeed despite months of trying and perseverance. I, like all many midwives of course believe that breast is best and should be promoted as optimum nutrition for a baby but sometimes I believe that in trying to get this message across we need to be careful not to make other women lose their ‘confidence ands fall into the motherhood guilt trap’. 

Carina

sounds like someone may have some mother guilt of their own and are looking to bend facts in order to ease their own guilts from the past. shame she had to publish it so widely..
is she a GP or an obs? either way, im embarrassed to be in the same profession as her..
 
on a happier note did anyone catch the article on doulas in sunday telegraph sunday magazine may 8th? what a wonderful article and great to see it in a publication with such a wide audience. it constantly amazes me to see how many people dont even know what the word doula means!
love emily

Barry & Sonja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How wonderful Justine!  
Great letter and fabulous to hear of another gorgeous baby for you!!!
Sonja 
- Original Message - 
From: Justine Caines   
To: OzMid List   
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding

FYI

My letter to Cindy Pan

JC
xx
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From: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:28:46 +1000
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Breastfeeding

Dear Cindy

I read your recent article on infant feeding and was very disappointed.

As you say “Breast is indeed by far best” so why not promote breastfeeding and a woman’s amazing ability to nurture a child?  Your piece did nothing to improve women’s confidence or ability to fall into the mother guilt trap.  In fact you trod the tired road of those with vested interests. What I read did not ! empower women, promoting their wonderful capable bodies, it erred on undermining them.  Feeling like a milk bar etc.

But I think you really excelled when saying

   “it's vital that the mother's feelings and preferences are considered. Theoretical benefits 
must be carefully weighed against practical concerns.”

Theoretical benefits??

As a mother of 4.  I ask the theoretical benefit of being able to instantly soothe my infant and not wait for the formula to be made at the right temperature.  I ask what is the theoretical benefit of reduced admission to hospital for breast-fed babies? 

Why not look at the support women need to successfully breastfeed?  Post-natal support in Australia (other than highly specialist crisis care such as Trescil! lian and Karitane, also nearly impossible to access) is virtually non-existent.  Australia’s maternity health system is very broken and is based on the needs of practitioners and organisations, rather than women and their families. The huge increase in surgical birth has a direct impact on breastfeeding success.  It is very difficult to bond when recovering from major surgery with a morphine drip in-situ. Any artificial hormone such as oxytocics or pain medication interferes with the amazing cocktail of natural oxytocin that assists a woman fall in love with her baby (see Michel Odent’s work).

I can say with authority that when this natural love hormone is maintained the results are amazing.

Lovely experiences don’t sell papers, books or infant formula do they?

They just negate mother guilt and assist in the development of a happy and healthy human race.

I know what’s more important.

I hope this helps

Kind regards

Justine Caines

Mother to 4
Ruby 5, Clancy 4, William 2 and Tobias 14 months
And the last little one due December
(Someone who loves mothering, birthed her babies under her own steam and fed each in excess 
 of 12 months and feels no guilt!)


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