[ozmidwifery] Sheila K @ HB conference

[Julie Garratt]

Hi All,
How many times has Sheila been to Australia? I saw her in Adelaide once in 
the mid eighties then again in about 1990 or 91. Does anyone remember the 
dates?

Cheers, Julie:)
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Re: [ozmidwifery] hep b @ birth

[Julie Garratt]

What, so we give it on day 3 so the baby's are grumpy when they get home and 
we don't have to be super nannie on postnatal?

Just stirring...
we do it to. but I will warn parents better about the possible side effects 
from now on.

(Many decline anyway)
Cheers, Julie:)

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From: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hep b @ birth



Our unit gives it at the same time as the neonatal screen for
that very reason.
Cheers
Judy

--- Lyle Burgoyne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hi ,

A number of staff in our unit have commented that babies who
have Hep B
immunisation just after birth seem much more unsettled for the
first
24-48 hrs than those babies who don't have the immunisation
.Has anyone
else noticed this or are we just imaging things ?? Our unit
has only
recently changed to offering Hep B immunisation after birth at
the same
time as the Konakion,we used to give it on day 3 or 4.
Interested in any
comments or if anyone knows if any studies have been done .

Thanks
Lyle

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Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all,
We have a co-sleeping policy where I work so women who haven't got lots of 
pain relief on board are encouraged to cuddle up with their babies.
I have long thought that we get a glimse of the race memory of co-sleeping 
when we have a cat or dog on the bed and we often dont move or feel the 
strong urge not to disturb them if that makes sence.
I explain to new mums that humans would have died out as a species if they 
couldn't safely sleep with their babies.
My boys are big now (15, 16, 21) but I remember the sublime pleasure of 
holding them as babies and falling asleep together.
Cheers, Julie 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Mary,

Mt Barker hospital in the Adelaide hills do waterbirth. Most of the Midwives 
are ok to do them but there is still a few who aren't comfy with the idea. We 
have about 400 births annually, a six bed ward and one corner bath in a 
separate bathroom. 

Women are given the labour and birth in water guideline brochure antenataly and 
if we get the chance, we get them to google waterbirth and do a bit of research 
before they come in.

Nice to see that quite a few of the smaller units have been mentioned, 
 Cheers, Julie:) 

I
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Murphy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:20 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth


  Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember 
the answer.  Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially 
do waterbirth?  I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions.  
Thanks, MM

[ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Lisa,
  The birth center 
was run by Americans and bulb suctioning was I must admit a bit of a thing with 
them, don't know why. (they also put Erythromycin into all the babies eyes 
within one hour of birth to guard against gonorrheal conjunctivitis, apparently 
this is required by law in all 50 USA states!)  I only suction now if there 
is mec or at resus. I did bring back a little suction pot like the one your 
talking about and its in my kit so I know what you mean, looks like its meant to 
be disposable, has a non return valve two tubes and holds 20 mls. The brand is 
argyle, I've looked but I cant find a picture link. They must be lots 
cheaper than a twin o vac. 
Julie:)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Andrea 
  Quanchi 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:27 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM at 
  crowning
  A twin o vac new costs around $900 and then there is the annual 
  cost of hiring the O2 cylinder which is relatively inexpensive.  
  Andrea Quanchi
  
  On 06/06/2006, at 11:41 PM, Lisa Barrett wrote:
  
Hi, Julie,
 
I am an independent midwife and 
I use bi manual suction.  I have a suction tube with a little pot and 
none returnable valve, I suck on end and the other goes into the baby's 
mouth.  I'm from Wales and this was common practice at home in the 
community and in theatre where there was no wall suction.  That's quite 
a recent addition to some establishments.  Do you know how expensive a 
twinivac is!
 
Saying all that I hardly ever 
use it.  It has no foundation to be of any  benefit.  Born in 
the Caul though I could see it may help a lot.
Lisa

  - Original Message 
  -
  From: 
  Julie 
  Garratt
  To: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Sent: 
  Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:39 PM
  Subject: 
  [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning
  
  Hi all,
      
  I worked at a birth center in the Philippines last year where there was no 
  intervention in labour including ARM, most women had a srom shortly before 
  the birth of the head and others who had a srom early in labour often had 
  less than perfect fetal positioning associated with this. There was 
  often a rather exiting time where you hold a towel as the head is 
  crowning with bulging membranes at the 
  introitus awaiting  an almighty 
  splash with the next contraction. We used a a bulb syringe 
  on these babies as they were a bit "wet" and gurgley when they came out. 
  The traditional birth attendants told me that they suction with their own 
  mouths!  A few babies, maybe five percent were born in the caul, 
  they looked like little bank robbers with stockings over their heads. 
   I particularly remember one who drew the membranes into his 
  mouth gasping as I was frantically trying to break them with my hands. Not 
  surprisingly these babys seemed to have particually tough 
  membranes. As far as controlling the head went, I cant remember it being a 
  problem as hands were poised most of the time and we had fairly good 
  perineal outcomes.
  Hope this helps, 
  Julie:)
   
   
   

[ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all,
    I worked 
at a birth center in the Philippines last year where there was no intervention 
in labour including ARM, most women had a srom shortly before the birth of the 
head and others who had a srom early in labour often had less than perfect fetal 
positioning associated with this. There was often a rather exiting time 
where you hold a towel as the head is crowning with bulging membranes at 
the introitus awaiting  an almighty 
splash with the next contraction. We used a a bulb syringe on 
these babies as they were a bit "wet" and gurgley when they came out. The 
traditional birth attendants told me that they suction with their own mouths! 
 A few babies, maybe five percent were born in the caul, they looked 
like little bank robbers with stockings over their heads.  I particularly 
remember one who drew the membranes into his mouth gasping as I was 
frantically trying to break them with my hands. Not surprisingly these 
babys seemed to have particually tough membranes. As far as 
controlling the head went, I cant remember it being a problem as hands were 
poised most of the time and we had fairly good perineal outcomes. 
Hope this helps, Julie:)
 
 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Lieve Huybrechts 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:52 
PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] ARM at 
  crowning
  
  
  Hoi 
  Zoë,
   
  I once attended a 
  hospital birth. Woman did a beautifull job. She also had intact memebranes. 
  The gyn arrived when the baby was crowning and she almost got in panic to have 
  the water broken before the birth of the baby. I asked a colleague of mine who 
  wordks in the hospital with that gyn and I asked why the gyn was clearly in 
  panic by the idea of a baby born with intact membranes. The midwife told that 
  the gyn once experienced a amniotic embolie in a birth and the mother died. 
  She blaimes it on the membranes breaking at the birth of the baby. I wonder if 
  there is any research regarding a correlation between an amniotic embolie and 
  baby born in intact membranes.
  I never brake the 
  membranes and I often have baby’s born ‘with the helmeth’ as we call 
  it.
   
  Greetings
  Lieve
   
  
  Lieve Huybrechts
  vroedvrouw
  0477740853
   
  -Oorspronkelijk 
  bericht-Van: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens islipsVerzonden: dinsdag 6 juni 2006 
  7:44Aan: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: [ozmidwifery] ARM at 
  crowning
   
  
  Happened to see a beautiful 
  delivery over the weekend. Womans 3rd baby came in spont labour and was the 
  most amazingly in control person i have ever seen. very quick ( 50mins ) but 
  no change in contractions ( 5minutely ) and no indication that birth was 
  imminent. Managed to get knickers off - bulging membranes coming first. I was 
  not conducting the birth and the midwife did an ARM. baby crowning at the same 
  time . Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on leaving them intact or 
  breaking them so you have more 'control' over the head ? As i work in 
  private health it is not very often a woman gets this far without someone 
  breaking them for her / or srom.
  
  Thanks
  
  Zoe

[ozmidwifery] :)

[Julie Garratt]

A Doctor, 
a Midwife and a 
ShredderA midwife was leaving the 
hospital one evening when she found the doctor standing in front of a shredder 
with a piece of paper in his hand."Listen", said the doctor, "this is 
important and my assistant has left. Can you make this thing 
work?""Certainly", said the midwife, flattered that the doctor had asked 
her for help.She turned the machine on, inserted the paper and pressed 
the start button."Excellent! Excellent!" said the doctor as his paper 
disappeared inside the machine. "I need two copies of 
that"

Re: [ozmidwifery] travel knowlege

[Julie Garratt]

Hi,
 find out if the train will stop and let you 
off and on at Lara or Corio station, I cant remember which name is 
right. I lived in Lara for seven years and often took the Adel Mel train. It 
always stopped here for me and its ten minutes out of Geelong. Julie 
Garratt:)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 11:28 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] travel 
  knowlege
  
  
  Thanks for the 
  info.  I am sure that the local supporters will NOT want to take me to 
  the station at 5.30am.  I can catch a cab.  Cheers, 
  MM
   
  
  
  
  
  
  sorry -to clarify (night duty 
  blur) 
  
   
  
  to railway is 
  abt 5 mins by 
  bus
  
  to melb is the one hr by 
  train
  
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] working in a private hospital ?

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Wonderful wise midwives,
 
An interesting discussion, thank you for your 
replies on and off the list!
 
I'm trying to decide what to do after my graduate 
position ends this month. One option is to stay on as 
a casual where I work but realistically I need more income security 
that casual offers.  Unfortunately there are no 
contracts positions available because it is a rural 
hospital that has limited opportunities at this stage for non 
nurse midwives. This aside, Its crunch time and although I'm happy and 
comfortable where I am I may need to look further field. Any 
suggestions at this stage would be welcome. I live in Adelaide. Shamless 
advertising of great places to work would be welcome :)
 

From what I'm hearing NO midwife would want to 
work in a private hospital but clearly, many do. Who are these mythical 
creatures and what motivates them? Apparently not money or job 
satisfaction!  I think that it is clear to me now that its not a 
direction I should pursue.
 
Thank you all again for the sound and very 
enlightening advice, I'm sure there is more to this story :) Cheers, 
Julie
 
 
 
 

  
    From: 
Julie Garratt 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:31 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] working in a 
private hospital ?

Dear wise Midwives,
  
I'm wanting to get an idea on what the disadvantages and benefits are to 
working in a private hospital . I must admit, as a direct entry midwife, I 
probably have a less than positive view of the private system having been 
told by lecturers that doing clinical placement there would be a waste of 
time. ( You become very "birth centric"' when you have to catch 40 babies to 
register). I think I'm asking for a balanced view here if one exists. 

Julie, longtime daily lurker 
  :)

[ozmidwifery] working in a private hospital ?

[Julie Garratt]

Dear wise women,
  
I'm wanting to get an idea on what the disadvantages and benefits are to working 
in a private hospital . I must admit, as a direct entry midwife, I probably have 
a less than positive view of the private system having been told by lecturers 
that doing clinical placement there would be a waste of time. ( You become very 
"birth centric"' when you have to catch 40 babies to register). I think I'm 
asking for a balanced view here if one exists. 
Julie, longtime daily lurker 
:)

Re: [ozmidwifery] telemetry ctg machine?

[Julie Garratt]

Wow, The bath, what brand was it?
- Original Message - 
From: "Ken WArd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] telemetry ctg machine?



I have also used one in the bath

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kathy
McCarthy-Bushby
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 11:15 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] telemetry ctg machine?


I find using telemitry units helpful for women planning vbac birth, where
the hospital policy requires the woman to be continually monitored in
labour, but the telemitry unit allows the woman to be mobile as well. I
guess it could be considered a compromise.
kathy
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From: "Julie Garratt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:01 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] telemetry ctg machine?


Hi wise midwives,
Do any of you know any compelling reasons or
research on the advantages or disadvantages of using telemetry ctg 
machines
as apposed to the usual ones? I'm trying to get my head around whether 
they

are a good or bad thing to have in a practice setting and how having one
avaliable for use changes how midwives care for women in labour.
Thank you, Julie:)



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[ozmidwifery] telemetry ctg machine?

[Julie Garratt]

Hi wise midwives,
 
Do any of you know any compelling reasons or research on the advantages or 
disadvantages of using telemetry ctg machines as apposed to the usual ones? I'm 
trying to get my head around whether they are a good or bad thing to have in a 
practice setting and how having one avaliable for use changes how midwives care 
for women in labour. 
Thank you, Julie:)
 
 

[ozmidwifery] Blue patches on neonate

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone can tell me why a newborn 
baby, only minutes old can sometimes have blue patches on its torso. 

I've seen it only once before and it 
was fairly transient, lasting an hour or so. 
The baby I caught today was alert and active after 
a totally drug free birth but had funny blue patches in a quiet symmetrical 
pattern on its body ( over kidneys ect,) . It was also rather 
acrocyanosed.
 Has anyone else seen this? 
I imagine it has something to do with transition 
from neonatal circulation but would really appreciate it if someone can explain 
the physiology of what is happening or even what its called so I can look it 
up.
Looking forward to your wisdom,
Julie:)

[ozmidwifery] Fw: [OBnurses] Marsden Wagner critique of hospital birth

[Julie Garratt]

OOps forgot to say that it was cool that the 
OBnurses were looking at birth in Australia website acegraphics, I know you have 
probably all read the article before but this excerpt is my favorite and good to 
remember. Julie:)
 

Excerpt:  Obstetricians, as members of society, tend to blind faith in 
technology and the mantra: technology = progress = modern. The other side of the 
coin is the lack of faith in nature, best expressed by a Canadian obstetrician: 
'Nature is a bad obstetrician.' So the idea is to conquer nature and results in 
the widespread application of attempts to improve on nature before scientific 
evaluation. This has led to a series of failed attempts in the twentieth century 
to improve on biological and social evolution. Doctors replaced midwives for low 
risk births, then science proved midwives safer. Hospital replaced home for low 
risk birth, then science proved home as safe with far less unnecessary 
intervention. Hospital staff replaced family as birth support, then science 
proved birth safer if family present. Lithotomy replaced vertical birth 
positions, then science proved vertical positions safer. Newborn examinations 
away from mothers in the first 20 minutes replaced leaving babies with mothers, 
then science proved the necessity for maternal attachment during this time. 
Man-made milk replaced woman-made milk, then science proved breast milk 
superior. The central nursery replaced the mother, then science proved 
rooming-in superior. The incubator replaced the mother's body for care of 
low-weight newborns, then science proved the kangaroo method better in many 
cases. If more doctors experienced an earthquake or volcano, they would realize 
their ideas of controlling nature are nothing more than stories to rewrite 
insignificance. 

[ozmidwifery] Fw: [OBnurses] Marsden Wagner critique of hospital birth

[Julie Garratt]

 

Too good not to pass on:) Julie.
 
Subject: Marsden Wagner critique of hospital 
birth

Article by Marsden Wagner, M.D.
http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/wagner03.html
 
Excerpt:  Obstetricians, as members of society, tend to blind faith in 
technology and the mantra: technology = progress = modern. The other side of the 
coin is the lack of faith in nature, best expressed by a Canadian obstetrician: 
'Nature is a bad obstetrician.' So the idea is to conquer nature and results in 
the widespread application of attempts to improve on nature before scientific 
evaluation. This has led to a series of failed attempts in the twentieth century 
to improve on biological and social evolution. Doctors replaced midwives for low 
risk births, then science proved midwives safer. Hospital replaced home for low 
risk birth, then science proved home as safe with far less unnecessary 
intervention. Hospital staff replaced family as birth support, then science 
proved birth safer if family present. Lithotomy replaced vertical birth 
positions, then science proved vertical positions safer. Newborn examinations 
away from mothers in the first 20 minutes replaced leaving babies with mothers, 
then science proved the necessity for maternal attachment during this time. 
Man-made milk replaced woman-made milk, then science proved breast milk 
superior. The central nursery replaced the mother, then science proved 
rooming-in superior. The incubator replaced the mother's body for care of 
low-weight newborns, then science proved the kangaroo method better in many 
cases. If more doctors experienced an earthquake or volcano, they would realize 
their ideas of controlling nature are nothing more than stories to rewrite 
insignificance. 

[ozmidwifery] belly dancing midwives:)

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all,
I've just started work as a midwife and I think I 
need some exercise to strengthen my back, feeling a bit stiff after catching 
babies in the shower, bath, floor, birth stool ect. I think it is a 
sustainability issue of practice, a good strong back. I don't ever want my 
physical ability to dictate how a woman wants to birth. Anyone tried pilates or 
belly dancing? Any other good suggestions?
Ta Julie:)

[ozmidwifery] Let baby decide birth date

[Julie Garratt]

So, I was chatting 
with a family friend who breeds show horses.> Talking about postdates, 
etc. He laughed at me. Apparently, any horse> breeder worth his salt 
knows that 1) the foal initiates birth, 2) any> breeder who induces labor 
is a fool, 3) foals that come from induced> labors are inferior (have 
long term health difficulties, etc), 4)> induced labors are hard on both 
foal and mare, and 5) some foals just> take longer, and  gestational 
dates are just a guess.>> If this is "common knowledge" amongst 
horse breeders,> fercryingoutloud, why isn't it for human 
breeders>

[ozmidwifery] RM birth announcement:)

[Julie Garratt]

Well I am happy to announce the safe arrival 
of my university transcript closely followed by my registration and cute little 
badge after a three year labour at Flinders university.
 Many thanks to the midwives, my fellow 
students, lecturers and the BMid collective and Ozmid list for their help 
and support.
 
I start work on an early at Mt Barker Hospital 
tomorrow and I cant wait. Yarho!
Julie Garratt RM :)
 
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] interesting article FYI

[Julie Garratt]

You would think that 10,000 + generations of evidence that its perfect would 
be enough wouldn't you. I am proud that I fed all my three boys till they 
were almost three years old, I just loved every minute of it:)

Cheers Julie Garratt

- Original Message - 
From: "Megan & Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] interesting article FYI



I'm still, more or less, the only source of food for my 14mth old and have
to say am not surprised by this article. Why else would I have a healthy,
well nourished child?
I know not everything natural is good for us, but why do they presume that
this high fat content could be harmful.
Again the question of "would mother nature get it so wrong" comes to mind.

Megan and a happy, happy Hugo.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of leanne wynne
Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2005 7:39 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] interesting article FYI

Fat Content of Breast Milk Increases with Time By Amanda Gardner HealthDay
Reporter TUESDAY, Sept. 6 (HealthDay News) -- The longer a mother
breast-feeds, the higher the fat and energy content of her breast milk .

However, experts are not sure what this finding, which appears in the
September issue of Pediatrics, signifies.

"This is the first study to analyze the fat and energy content of breast
milk of mothers who breast-feed for longer than a year," said study
co-author Dr. Ronit Lubetzky, who is with the department of pediatrics at
Dana Children's Hospital at Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center in Israel.
"There are more and more women who choose to breast-feed for longer time
periods, and not many studies about the nutritional value of their milk
during this prolonged lactation."

"This is a nicely done study which looked at a question that really needed
to be answered," added Dr. Ruth Lawrence, a professor of pediatrics at the
University of Rochester School of Medicine and a member of the executive
committee of the American Academy of Pediatrics' section on 
breast-feeding.
"I think many people's general impression is if you continue to 
breast-feed

beyond a year, probably the nutrient value drops, and this is quite
different information and very important."

No one is sure how long mothers should breast-feed, although the American
Academy of Pediatrics recommends that "breast-feeding continue for at 
least

12 months, and thereafter for as long as mutually desired."

A reduction in cardiovascular risks in adulthood is one oft-cited benefit 
of
this practice. Others, however, have said it might have the opposite 
effect.


To determine the fat and energy content of human breast milk at longer
periods, Lubetzky and colleagues sampled the breast milk of 34 mothers who
had been breast-feeding for 12 to 39 months, and compared that with the 
milk

of 27 mothers who had been breast-feeding for only two to six months.

They found a startling difference: the fat content in the mothers who had
breast-fed for longer periods of time was 17.5 percent, versus only 5
percent in the short-term group.

The researchers said that, while it was possible that something other than
duration might be affecting the findings, they still felt this was the 
most

likely explanation for the difference.

It's not clear what the effects of this higher energy and fat content are 
on

a child's health.

"We showed that the milk of mothers who breast-fed more than a year had a
very high fat content," Lubetzky said. "That contradicts the claim that
breast-feeding at this stage has no nutritional contribution. On the other
hand, the long-term effect of such a high-fat intake has not been 
studied."


"The constituents of fat and human milk are very different than what we
provide in formula today. One of the most important constituents of human
milk is cholesterol. Formula does not," Lawrence said. "There are many
people who think that probably one of the problems with cholesterol today
occurs because infants have not had any cholesterol in the first few 
months

of life; perhaps the body doesn't learn to deal with it. There are studies
that show that young adults have much lower cholesterol levels if they 
were

breast-fed than if they were bottle-fed."

Still, Lawrence added, this is an area that needs to be researched 
further.


Lubetzky agreed. "Further studies should analyze this milk fat
qualitatively, and try to sort out the influence of prolonged 
breast-feeding

on cardiovascular issues," she said.

Another study in the same issue of the journal found, not surprisingly, 
that

American hospitals designated as "Baby Friendly" by the World Health
Organization (WHO) and the United Nations Children's Fund had higher
breast-feeding

Re: [ozmidwifery] Subchorionic Haematoma

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Fiona, 
One of my follow-through women had this happen 
and the blood apparently irritated her uterus causing her to go into premature 
labour at 33 weeks. Because theater could be set up quickly where she was, she 
was able to birth vaginaly which was fantastic. I cared for her during 
her next pregnancy and thankfully she went to term with no further problems. 

Hope this helps, Julie G, 3rd year BMid 
FUSA

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jenny 
  Cameron 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:10 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Subchorionic 
  Haematoma
  
  Hi Fiona
   
  Sub-chorionic haematoma is the medical term 
  for a collection of blood under the placenta, that is between the placenta and 
  the wall of the womb. If it is small it won't interfere significantly with the 
  function of the placenta and thus the growth of the baby. In my experience 
  some women have what is called an edge-bleed from the placenta. For some 
  reason the edge of the placenta lifts and continues to bleed on & off 
  through the pregnancy. Generally it causes no long term problems for the 
  mother or the baby. Occasionally the bleeding can be severe. I looked after a 
  woman recently who bled on & off since early pregnancy then had a big 
  bleed at 31 weeks, baby was born by emerg C/S and did well after a short 
  period in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit. Most women I have cared for with 
  edge bleeding have carried to term. The bleeding has been more of a nuisance 
  factor. Repeated light bleeds with admissions to hosp. The bleeding sometimes 
  leaves no trace on ultrasound, others may leave a sub-chorionic haematoma. 
  Your friend needs to obtain some more info from her Ob about why he thinks 
  baby might come at 24 weeks. Hope this helps.
  Jenny
  Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs 
  NT 0835
   
  0419 528 717
  
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From: 
D & F 
Gorrel 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:44 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Subchorionic 
Haematoma


  
  

  Dear ozmidders
   
  Would anyone have info re subchoroionic haemotoma?  My 
  friend has bled since week 12 as is now at 20 weeks.  
  OB says she may make it 24-26 weeks.  Bub still growing 
  beautifully at this stage. Any info would be appreciated.  
  Her biggest fear is a massive bleed leading to a hysterectomy.  
  Is this common? Is the condition common?  Will this be likely in 
  any subsequent pregnancies.
   
  With thanks
   
  Fiona
   
  

  


  
  
   



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[ozmidwifery] Doctor dystocia

[Julie Garratt]

Doctor dystocia... Definition, when the private 
obstetrician walks into the room, the baby can no longer fit through the 
pelvis!
 
 Well that's what I feel after spending a 
shift in one of Adelaide's "best' private hospitals over the weekend. Their 
stats for the last 12 mths confirmed this, around a 50 to 55% caesarean 
rate every month and shockingly  35 % of the women left had either ventouse 
or forceps! Can someone please tell me why this is hapening? Lots of epidurals? 
are the doctors in a hurry?
 
No wonder ranzcog think childbirth is dangerous, in 
some places it really is! Time to do some media 
on the safety of obstetric care .?! Absolutely!
I know that I'm preaching to the converted, buy I'm 
horrified that so many women think that this is the best care 
available.
Julie, 3rd year BMid FUSA
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords

[Julie Garratt]

Did any one notice that the Star Wars "Midwife" had 
scoops for hands??? what was all that about? 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Ken 
  WArd 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:42 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] evil 
  overlords
  
  It's 
  not a midwifery scene. The heroine is pregnant. Looks anywhere from just to 
  about 30/40  in the various scenes.  Then she's knocked to the 
  ground, unconscious. Taken to a medical centre where they have to save the 
  baby, ( at this stage she's not looing too pregnant.)  It appears to be a 
  vaginal birth, even though it's life-threatening. And wonders of all wonders, 
  she is 'delivered' (only way to describe it)  of 
  twins!!    They look to be about ten pound each, quite 
  mature..    The reference to babies being abandon and raised by 
  animals properly=y refers to Tarzan, and Romulus and Ramus 
  (sic).
  
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overlords

That makes me laugh 
Jo, I might get my Star Wars crazed husband to “please explain””!  
Apparently there’s a pretty appalling midwifery scene in the new movie, not 
sure if it fits the context…
 
Tania
 




From: 
owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Dean & JoSent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 4:08 
PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] evil 
overlords
 
This is not meant to be taken 
seriously…just a laugh-
 
My hubby just sent me a site 
that lists “the 100 things I would do if I was ever an evil overlord” (don’t 
ask –were having marital troubles as it is with star wars being 
released!)
 
The basis is to list the 100 
things you would or would not do based on all the typical things evil 
overlords have done (and thus failed) in the past. Things like getting all 
of the evil overlords soldiers to be able to shoot straight 
etc.
 
One person has 
listed:
 
All midwives will be banned from the realm. All 
babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals. Orphans will be placed 
in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the 
wild.
 
I am not sure what movies they would be referring to 
with this but as anyone could contribute to the list I wondered if there was 
a doctor out there who fancies himself as an evil overlord?  Perhaps 
there is a few??  It just made me laugh… 

 
Cheers 

jo
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Fw: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Mim and Joanne,
I as Mim says I've seen evening primrose oil used to ripen the cx of post 
date women in the Philippines 40+1-2 weeks. What we did was pierce a hole in 
the gel capsule (one) and squirt the contence around high in the vagina. 
Either these overdue women would have gone into labour anyway, it was 
placebic/psychological or just another excuse to stir things up a bit I cant 
be sure of unless someone does the research. Seemed to work, no side that I 
saw. Sorry I cant be more specific, I have been meaning to look this up but 
haven't had the reason or opportunity since I've been back. I read the list 
every day and have done for several years now, I find this midwifery 
collective consciousness invaluable:) Look forward to what you uncover.
Julie (3rd year BMid fusa)


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To: 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil


--- Hi Joanne, I have no experience with this method
but spoke some months ago to a fellow Bmid student who
came across it while on a clinical placement at a free
standing birth centre in the Phillipines.
Apparently the capsule is pierced then inserted into
the vagina where the contents are squirted around the
cervix, i'm not aure of dose etc but the student
(Julie) is aporadically onlist I think so i'll text
her and ask her to post more specific details.
hope you have good luck with it! regards, miriam (2nd
yr bmid fusa).
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Hi all,
Has anyone used/advised evening primrose oil vaginally to ripen the cervix 
of overdue women?  If so, what dose?  Is the capsule of oil opened first or 
does it dissolve once inserted.  Any studies done on this procedure at all? 
What are the possible side effects and hazards?  How "overdue" do you 
recommend to use it?  How often can it be inserted?  What time of the day is 
best to insert it?  I've heard that a tampon can be used to help keep it in 
place, is this so?  Thanks heaps.

Cheers Joanne 

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RE: [ozmidwifery] MORE ACTIVE MANGAEMENT

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all, 
When a placenta fails to birth in a reasonable amount of time??? Do you
"rub up a contraction or is this "fundus fiddling" going to interfere
with the process maybe leading to no contraction at all. I'm asking
because I've read both points of views and I'm a bit confused.
 Julie, Student midwife.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M
Fisher
Sent: 02 March 2005 21:57
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] MORE ACTIVE MANGAEMENT

Hi Sue,

You mentioned adding "an ice pack to her uterus".  How does this work?
I'm
guessing it is meant to decrease the blood flow to that area, but how
does
this help the placenta birth?

Cheers, Joanne.

> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sue Cookson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] MORE ACTIVE MANGAEMENT
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I would definitely treat this woman like all others and assume
> > physiological 3rd stage is sufficient.
> > I have never actively managed a 3rd stage, and have given
syntometrine 3
> > times only after placentas were born - all in my early days of
homebirth.
> > I always prefer to;
> > a) make sure women are well hydrated going into 2nd stage so they
can
> > tolerate volume loss
> > b) if bleeding is serious go into "deliver placenta mode"
> > I always catch and therefore can measure blood loss at a glance
> > I engage the mother first and tell her she's bleeding and that I
need
> > her to focus and deliver her placenta
> > I always give herbs as a first line of attack- shepherd's purse has
> > always been my first choice
> > I would rub up a ctxn, add an ice pack to her uterus if one
available
> > Then with her assistance pushing I would apply cord traction and see
if
> > the placenta would come
> > Repeat this maybe twice
> > Then contemplate manual removal if necessary (not had to yet...)
> >
> > I have managed 5 large haemorrhages (over 1.5 litres measured) in
this
> > manner and have not had to transfer anyone yet.(I have a
> > haemoglobinometer with which I can measure Hbs on the spot over the
next
> > few weeks if necessary..)
> > This management regime was taught to me by John Stevenson and always
> > seems to work.Up until very recently, I have always worked alone.
> >
> > Isn't it interesting all the different ways we'd handle this
depending
> > on our personal experiences?
> >
> > By the way, late last year I witnessed the worst PPH I'd ever seen -
> > mainly because of the management in the hospital (it was a hospital
> > support not a homebirth), and with all the hands you could ever
imagine
> > -I'd say too many - the woman was severley depleted. Drips in etc
etc
> > but too much too late. A cord pulling midwife, and then no
> > acknowledgement of when she needed help (irrespective of my pleas)
plus
> > she underestimated the blood loss by more than 100% (she thought
600ml,
> > and it was measured by weight (? accuracy) to be more like 1400ml)
and
> > then the woman was taken to theatre - more time, more blood, why not
a
> > manual removal then and there??
> >
> > Aaaah. Expect no PPH but stay on your toes ...always my motto.
> >
> > Sue


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[ozmidwifery] Preconception care?

[Julie Garratt]

Hello all you wonderful, wise people. 

I was wondering what your thoughts are on midwives providing
preconception care.

 Is it in our
scope of practice as we are told at university or does our role really only beginning
in the antenatal period? 

If we are involved, what are we telling couples other than to
take folic acid supplements and have sex in the middle of the menstrual cycle.

I am beginning my final year of Midwifery at Flinders University and would
like to explore and research this area further.

Cheers, Julie Garratt (champion Ozmid lurker and learnerJ 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Post rupture discussion

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Lovely JoJ

I was wondering if you were lurking coz I
wanted to share a bit of advice I heard a very young doctor give a women in
antenatal clinic yesterday, it takes the cake! He said and I quote, “In
this hospital we have about a 25% caesarean rate, this means if a women gets
pregnant four times she will need an operation to safely deliver at least one
of her babies”  Well as you
can imagine we had a chat about this in private afterwards. He hadn’t
factored in VBAC, repeat sections ect,
he just assumed that childbirth was dangerous and I suppose this is why he misinterpreted
the statistics. Just a dumb mistake I suppose and it would have been funny if
he hadn’t said it to a pregnant woman.

Cheers, Julie GarrattJ

 

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From:
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Behalf Of Dean & Jo
Sent: 13 October 2004 20:43
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] Post
rupture discussion

 

Hi everyone, 

I was offline kind of when the
uterine rupture thing was discussed. So sorry this is a tad old! Lol

 

 As the co-ordinator of CARES here in SA
you can imagine how familiar I am with this case and the repercussions of
it.  VBAC was allowed in the birth
centre at Flinders Medical Centre until July/August of 2001.  The refusal came just 5 weeks after I
had my vbac in the BC at Flinders which was an amazing near water birth. I
cried for days after hearing it.  We
now no longer recommend FMC for VBAC. (Sorry FMC midwives on this list,  but we cant and wont whilst W&CH
will accept them with OB approval
which they have done and when TQEH was accepting VBACs even after 2cs before
their unit closed.) 

  The ‘arguments’ for removing
the right to birth in the BC after cs given to me by the head of OB during
correspondence included the outcomes of the case in question. He probably
wished he hadn’t brought it up as I made it clear to him that if the
woman in question was in the BC then she would not have endured what she
did.  He then fell back on the need
for continuous monitoring reason for barring birth centre
VBAC….don’t they LOVE that one!!  The reality of the new policy was that
the vbac pendulum was given a right royal shove back into the negative with the
release of the findings regarding this case.  I did read the comment about the
complacency of VBAC that had occurred during the last few years with
interest…I could see how that could be viewed.  BUT could it be the ever creeping obstetric
interventions imposed upon VBACS that led to the increased rupture
outcomes?  Do you know what I mean?

 

It concerns me greatly when outcomes
from the management (or mismanagement) of vbac in the labour ward setting,
(i.e. the medical model of vbac care), are used to negate the options of birth
centre care of vbacs.  Has anyone
actually studied the outcomes of VBAC in BC and compared outcomes with the
medical model?  Not to my knowledge
here in Aust.  There is only one
study that was a US study in 1997 and the VBAC rate was 98%.  Lynne Staff has a brilliant VBAC
outcomes in her unit also but do these ever get acknowledged when looking at
safe vbac management?  

 

Anyway, there’s my 2 cents
worth ~ there were a few people wondering why I hadn’t made any comments
to date.  Lol!

Seriously though, it is a very
interesting topic and one in which I relish being apart of!

 

Cheers Jo 








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[ozmidwifery] Doppler anyone....?

[Julie Garratt]

 

 

 

This is from an advertisement at this Australian site
http://www.firstbeats.com.au/index3.html
where anyone can hire or buy a
Doppler!  I always thought that they were a
bit dangerous so I'm amazed
that it's ok for anyone to own them. Sad that women have so little faith in
their bodies ):

 
It says..."Your Pregnant, "But like most
mums-to-be, it's understandable
that you may still be very nervous.
So imagine the excitement, joy and peace of mind
you could get from
being able to hear your baby's heartbeat and
movements.
Well now you can by renting or buying a First
Beats Fetal Heart Doppler.
Just like the ones used by your doctor or midwife,
it allows you to
monitor your baby's heartbeat at home or when
you're out.
Dopplers are safe and simple to use, and can pick
up your baby's
heartbeat from as early as 10 to 12 weeks into your pregnancy."
 
Cheers, Julie Garratt BMid Flinders.



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[ozmidwifery] From womb to tomb!

[Julie Garratt]

This looks interesting…….


Human reproductive
health through the ages: Womb to Tomb, Adelaide
Convention Centre, 7-10 March 2006

The
South Australian Regional Committee of RANZCOG, in conjunction with the University of Adelaide, will be celebrating the contributions of senior South
Australian distinguished scientists and clinicians to reproductive medicine as
part of the 2006 Adelaide Festival of the Arts.

The
conference - Human
Reproductive Health through the Ages: Womb to Tomb -
will be attended by a host of international and national guests, including Lord
Robert Winston (UK), David Barker (UK), Peter Gluckman
(NZ), Abagail Fownden (UK),
David Philips (UK), Ian Fraser (NSW), David Henderson-Smart (NSW), John Newnham (WA), Kerin O'Dea (NT),
Alison Venn (Tas), Cindy Farquhar
(NZ), Alan Trounsen (Vic), Rod Baber
(NSW), Susan Davis (Vic) and Roger Short (Vic).

For a
copy of the full programme, click here
or contact Bronwen Paine, secretariat, Department of
Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of Adelaide,
Women's and Children's Hospital, tel +61 8 8161 7676
or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] 4th degree tear

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Leanne,
The fear factor for this woman of pushing out this baby will undoubtedly
be huge, As a student Midwife am I missing something? surely if the babe
is happy the slower and gentler she births the better it will be for her
mind and her peri. 
Cheers, Julie Garratt 


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Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2004 12:21 PM
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] 4th degree tear

Hi All,
I have an antenatal client whose first birth was an emergency C/S for
APH. 
Seven years later (2003) she had a VBAC but had a forceps delivery and 
consequently a 4th degree tear. Now she is pregnant again and the 
obstetrician is scaring her with the possibility of another 4th degree
tear 
and therefore a higher chance of suffering faecal incontince as a 
consequence.
Does anyone have any evidence-based information on the liklihood of
another 
4th degree tear and subsequent faecal incontinence.
What frustrates me is the fact that the forceps delivery was because the

obstetrician put a time-limit on how long this woman was allowed to
'push'!!
I appreciate any info anyone can give me.
Thanks,
Leanne.

Leanne Wynne
Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children

[Julie Garratt]

Apparently putting Vaseline on the door
knob stops littlies from coming in to the bedroom at inopportune moments LOL. 

 



Cheers, Julie Garratt a



 

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Co-sleeping and older children

 



I loved reading your story Helen -
thank you for sharing your experience.





 





I wonder how our sex life would be
by now if we didn't have any children? Would we be less zealous because of
familiarity, our age or pure comfort. my guess with my husband and I - is
that our sex life is profoundly affected by exhaustion and SEVERE sleep
deprivation... and then marginally affected by the above factors also.





I know one thing... we wouldn't have
to worry about being quiet... or checking for the pitter patter of footsteps...
peering eyes or the baby waking for a feed!!! It's almost like we are back
being teenagers again - not wanting to get caught!





 





kindest regards,





Nicole





 





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From: Graham and Helen 





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Sent: Sunday,
March 21, 2004 2:47 PM





Subject:
[ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children 





 





I have a personal experience to
share about co-sleeping as a child.  My father died when I was four and I
had 3 older brothers and sisters between the ages of 8 and 12.  I slept
with Mum, without question, from the day that Dad died and continued to do so
most nights until I was about 15.  Mum never ever had a relationship
again which was very sad and hopefully not because of me!!!  I
actually think Mum would have been comforted by my being there (as was
I).  The others all stayed in their beds but soon after...the oldest
2 (boys) were sent to boarding school as Mum thought they needed a male
influence...but that is another story.





 





I certainly don't class myself to be
clingy/dependent as I have lived away from home and travelled
extensively since I was 17 when I started nursing.    I still
do, however, have a very close emotional bond to Mum who is now in her
eighties.  





 





I found out a few years ago that my
older brother was a bit worried that I was still sleeping with Mum when I was
fourteen.  At that stage Mum and I were living alone as my
sister had moved out by then.  She didn't tell me at the time
and when I heard I thought it was a bit of a laugh.  





 





So anyway, when it came to
co-sleeping with our child it seemed only natural, despite the fact that I had
no preconcieved ideas about how we would handle it.  I did recognize
that my situation with Mum would no doubt have been quite different if Dad
had still been alive.  He used to let us get in to the bed in the
night, but we were still predominantly in the cot when he was
around.  





 





We certainly find our child needs to
co-sleep as part of his emotional security and it is predominantly a
beautiful bond strengthening experience alround, but admit as per my recent
postings on the subject, that it can be "challenging to say the
least" and does, at times, interfere with our sex lives.  We
don't seem to be as energetic, imaginative or motivated as we were early in our
relationship.  I wonder if it is also an age/familiarity related
thing...again that is another story.  





 





I too have really enjoyed the recent
discussions on this subject and thanks those who have give us an insight into
their lives when the sun goes down.





 





Helen Cahill





 





 





 





 





 

[ozmidwifery] Chunging" to Turn a Posterior Baby?

[Julie Garratt]

In my internet travels to find a solution for one of my
follow throughs OP baby (number 2 and desperately wants a VBAC) I came across this.
What do you think?

From…

http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/position.html

 

"Chunging" to Turn
a Posterior Baby



















To the
new doctor's amazement...the pregnant woman was placed on the blanket and then
thrown into the air by the four men, each at one corner of the blanket, then
caught again. 







I found
the article. It is in The Birth Gazette, March '87 Vol 3 No. 3, page 22. There
is a picture of Leo Sorger on the cover. 

Ask The Midwife 
The following letter comes from Debbie "Chung" Marin, from Coconut
  Grove, Florida: 

I read an article some years ago written by an American obstetrician
who had traveled the back country of China,
far from civilization. He observed that when a woman was having a long and
difficult labor, the midwives would "Chung"
the mother. "Chung" means that two or three women would shake the laboring woman very vigorously all over. The obstetrician
said it worked every time. 

I was
attending a woman's birth, and she was having a long and difficult labor. We tried everything: long walks, jeep rides over
bumpy roads, blue cohosh tea. Suddenly remembered the
article and told everyone there what to "Chung" is. The three of us
shook the laboring woman all over as hard and as long
as we could while she was standing, leaning over a dresser with her arms
braced. I thought it would hurt, since she was having such strong contractions.
To our surprise, she said it felt good! We laughed and continued to shake her
until our arms were sore. The woman went to 10 centimeters
and delivered a 6 lb. 3 oz. boy four hours later. I feel the "Chung"
did the trick.

Debbie "Chung" Marin 
  Coconut Grove, Florida 







IMG: I
have "Chunged" women in labor
before, although I never used this word for it, or even knew that anyone else
had ever done such a thing. The first birth during which
remember using this method was the thirty-sixth birth attended. As with
most of the others, this mother was having her first baby. She was a soft
spoken person, who usually kept her feelings very much to herself. She was happy
about being pregnant and didn't seem very much frightened about going into labor. 

It wasn't
that her labor took very long. What was a little
unusual about it, in my experience, was that she stayed at 4-5 cm for a couple
of hours, with her rushes coming stronger each time. She was being very brave,
but the intensity was incredible. I deep massaged her legs, working to keep her
thigh and calf muscles as relaxed as possible during and between rushes. My
husband stopped by to see how the labor was progressing.
Noticing how the mother was doing, he suggested that shake her legs instead of
squeezing or holding her muscles. Keeping eye contact with her so I could tell
easily whether I was helping or hurting, I took one of her thighs between my
hands and shook it with a sort of rotary motion as her uterus contracted and
she kept up her deep breathing. It was obvious right away that the shaking
during a rush made it easier for her to relax. We were soon past the stuck
place, and she pushed her baby out with no real trouble. 

After
that, I found that used this shaking method only now and then. Mostly it seemed
useful to help a well muscled woman who was having trouble relaxing the muscles
of the pelvic floor. The shaking forces her to give up to it, since the rhythm
is insistent and impossible not to notice. She goes with it in the same way you
go with the hammock when it's swinging. 

Dr.
Palmer Findley's "The Story of Childbirth, " published in 1933,
contains an interesting reference to shaking the mot her during labor: "Engelmann mentions a peculiar custom practiced
by some of our Western Indians in which the woman is tossed in a blanket, the
four corners of which are held by four stout men, the idea being to correct any
malposition of the baby and shake it out of the womb." 

Does
anyone else out there ever find "Chunging"
useful? If so, let us know when you use it and how. 







 

CHEERS,

Julie
Garratt (:

 








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RE: [ozmidwifery] Adelaide Resources?

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Rochelle,

I wonder whether she would like to be
followed through by a midwifery student? Either way I
can provide support and continuity as well as contact with Birth matters and
the Home birth network regardless of her choiceJ please feel free to give her my contact information.

0438391033 or home 83897887

 



CHEERS,

Julie Garratt (:



 

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From:
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Behalf Of Tim & Rochelle
Sent: Friday, 30 January 2004 5:47
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Adelaide
Resources?

 



Hello,





 





I thought I would put a call out to
those on the list in Adelaide. I have friend who is 8 weeks pregnant first baby
and is keen for information. I have sent her my old copies of Birth Matters
Magazine SA and told her of the coffee mornings, and suggested prenatal yoga,
active birth workshops and that she check out the birth centre at womens
and childrens especially now that the team midwifery has just started there. At
8 weeks she already has an Ob (female) and had 1 u/s due to some pain and
spotting. I am sensing she is not thrilled with the level of care from Ob, so
hopefully investigates her options further. 





 





I guess what I want to know is if
there is a resource centre or a centralised place to borrow books on pregnancy
and birth and gather information, available to women in the community?
Does the Womens and Children's Hospital offer a library service? I have
also given her a couple of copies of the Homebirth Network SA Mag, and I
believe they have a collection of books for lending? So she will have contact
details for someone from this group.





 





I will send her a list of good
websites and another friend is buying her Janet Balaskas' "New Active
Birth"  so that will be a good start.





 





Thank You





Rochelle in Perth. Very excitedly
expecting our second baby and first home birth with the Fab Community
Midwifery Program.





 





 










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[ozmidwifery] full of C/S doctors on holiday!

[Julie Garratt]

Merry Christmas :)

> Definitely use sound for this one, and follow the instruction at the
> bottom of the screen.
>
> http://ww10.e-tractions.com/snowglobe/globe.htm
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> I love snowdomes.
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[ozmidwifery] effects of contractions on the fetus???

[Julie Garratt]

Greetings wise ones,

I’m trying to write a paper
for uni on the effects of contractions on the fetus and I’m wondering if
there is any knowledge out there concerning the differences to the baby of
labour with or without intact membranes. ? 

 I’m
thinking that Pascals principal dictates that “when pressure is applied
to any point of an enclosed fluid (intact membranes)
it is transmitted undiminished to every portion of the fluid (surrounding the fetus) and to the walls (uterus) of the containing vessel ect…

The only thing I can find that is even close to a
reference is [Dunn, (1978), describes the beneficial effect of
intact membranes when the presence of amniotic fluid ensures an even pressure
on the fetus during uterine contractions, those isometric uterine contractions
prevent impairment of utero-placental circulation due to retraction of the
placental site.] 

REF= Dunn, PM. (1978). 'Problems
associated with fetal monitoring during labour', Sixth European Congress of Perinatal
Medicine, Vienna, 1978.

Cited in one of Caroline Flint’s
essays, unfortunately it’s a bit old and not available online as far as I
can see.

 HELP, I’ve
spent hours stuck on this, Am I on the right track, does it really matter to
the baby? 

CHEERS, and thanks
in advanceJ

Julie
Garratt 

 








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RE: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all,
My understanding is that the body of Jayden Leskey was identified using
the DNA from his heel prick test. Apparently the police can have access
to the information in exceptional cases. Makes you wonder about how else
this information could be used in the future doesn't it! 

CHEERS,
Julie Garratt (:


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marilyn
Kleidon
Sent: Sunday, 26 October 2003 11:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA

You know I've heard or read that somewhere to...maybe on this list!???
Does
anyone know if it is true, don't want to start any urban legends.

marilyn
- Original Message - 
From: "Christina & Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA


> A couple in an Antenatal class today said that they had read of plans
that
> the hospitals will be keeping the heelprick DNA information for a
government
> database of all newborn babies. Apparently the DNA info will be kept
> indefinitely. Has anyone heard anything about this?
> Christina
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marilyn Kleidon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, 20 October 2003 4:19
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea -
MJA
>
>
> I wince at compulsory testing too. Surely as Sally says, encouragement
from
> midwives for the test to be done and good education on the benefits of
> screening, ensurance that the test is not omitted through
pratitioner/health
> system neglect, a domicillary midwifery effort to document and collect
the
> tests not done in hospital, and perhaps compulsory submission of
unfilled
> sample papers (by practitioners) should parents truly decline to have
their
> baby screened. However, I think we must support parents' right to make
> decisions we may not agree with.
>
> marilyn
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jo Bourne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea -
MJA
>
>
> We passed on pretty much everything but this test and it was a
complete
> non-event, my daughter fed through the test without even wincing, I
can't
> really understand why you wouldn't do it. But the idea of making it
> compulsory scares me, I wonder what would be next - many people can't
> understand why I wouldn't vaccinate.
>
> At 12:06 +1000 20/10/03, Sally Williams wrote:
> >Personally, I believe that parents should be encouraged to have this
test
> on their babies. Surely a moment's discomfort is worth a lifetime of
> illness, or no life at all!
> >
> >Sally
> >
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> >To:
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> >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:35 AM
> >Subject: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA
> >
> >Hi everyone
> >
> >Found this snippet this morning.  Going to be published in MJA this
week.
> Will make for some interesting conversation at work.  I hope I have
pasted
> the link correctly.  The word mandatory always sends shivers down my
spine.
> >
> >
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<http://news.ninemsn.com.au/Health/story_52510.asp>http://news.ninemsn.c
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> >Michelle
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RE: [ozmidwifery] first catch at home...

[Julie Garratt]

WOW Tania,

Congratulations to all, the flinders BMids
are all blown away (I don’t think I missed telling anyone LOL) I can’t
would love to watch the video just to see the look on your face when those
little feet came out!

 



CHEERS,

Julie Garratt (:



 

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Message-
From:
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On Behalf Of Tom, Tania and Sam
Smallwood
Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 4:45
PM
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] first catch
at home...

 



Well I'm quite elated and
a little bit tired, after being called out at 3am this morning, and then my
Midwife colleague being called away for another birth (isn't that something
that never happens...?), I caught my first baby as a RM, at home, and this baby
decided to come into the world feet first.  WOW!!  Can't tell you how
many things were going around in my head during the birth, but I think I
remained calm on the exterior, or so I'm told!  Result - 3.4kg baby girl,
2 3/4 hour established labour, SROM in water with some fresh thin mec, and
then out came the feet, stood up, body, arms, and then after one little push, a
gorgeous round 36cm head, all caught on video by a wonderful friend of the
woman.  And I was wonderfully supported by a midwife friend who came to
act as a spare pair of hands/photographer, water carrier.what a joy and
comfort it was to share it with her!





 





Gotta sleep, but wanted
to share, what an amazing experience for us all!!





 





Tania










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Fw: [ozmidwifery] Fw: SOY IS BAD IN PREGNANCY AND INFANCY

[Julie Garratt]

 
- Original Message - 
From: Julie 
Garratt 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: SOY IS BAD IN PREGNANCY AND 
INFANCY

Dear Denise, 
The South Australian Government use to subsidise 
prescriptions of Soy based  formulary for babies that were deemed lactose 
intolerant. Because of the subsidy I was aware that many mothers in the early 
nineties were going to their Doctors for prescriptions because they were so much 
cheaper than buying milk based formulary off the shelf $ 2.50 as compared to 10 
or 12 dollars. I did hear that there was going to be a move towards hospital 
based testing before giving prescriptions and I suppose this was because 
there was a huge increase in lactose intolerant babies! I hate to think how much 
damage has been done and I wonder if there will be a study done on the children 
tahr received those prescriptions? It would be an easy way to identify the 
target group for research. 
I will keep an eye on this one and I hope that 
someone here picks it up as I think it could be a very interesting study. 

Cheers, Julie G'',
 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:36 
AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: SOY IS BAD IN 
  PREGNANCY AND INFANCY
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  "Infant feeding with soy formula milk: effects on the testis 
  and on blood testosterone levels in marmoset monkeys during the period of 
  neonatal testicular activity." See   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12093826&dopt=Abstract  In 
  short, it reduces male infants' testosterone by up to 
  70%.
  
  
  WOULD YOU ALLOW THAT TO BE DONE TO 
  YOUR SON? Because products in your local supermarkets could do 
  it!
  
  
   
  "Dietary Flavonoids  
  Induce Cleavage in the MLL gene and may contribute to Infant Leukemia" 
  See  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10758153&dopt=Abstract
   
  "Exposure to genistein during gestation and lactation 
  demasculinizes the reproductive system in rats". See  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12629420&dopt=Abstract
   
   
  Valerie James  for www.soyonlineservice.co.nz 
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: SOY IS BAD IN PREGNANCY AND INFANCY

[Julie Garratt]

Dear Denise, 
The South Australian Government use to subsidise 
prescriptions of Soy based  formulary for babies that were deemed lactose 
intolerant. Because of the subsidy I was aware that many mothers in the early 
nineties were going to their Doctors for prescriptions because they were so much 
cheaper than buying milk based formulary off the shelf $ 2.50 as compared to 10 
or 12 dollars. I did hear that there was going to be a move towards hospital 
based testing before giving prescriptions and I suppose this was because 
there was a huge increase in lactose intolerant babies! I hate to think how much 
damage has been done and I wonder if there will be a study done on the children 
tahr received those prescriptions? It would be an easy way to identify the 
target group for research. 
I will keep an eye on this one and I hope that 
someone here picks it up as I think it could be a very interesting study. 

Cheers, Julie G'',
 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:36 
AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: SOY IS BAD IN 
  PREGNANCY AND INFANCY
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  "Infant feeding with soy formula milk: effects on the testis 
  and on blood testosterone levels in marmoset monkeys during the period of 
  neonatal testicular activity." See   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12093826&dopt=Abstract  In 
  short, it reduces male infants' testosterone by up to 
  70%.
  
  
  WOULD YOU ALLOW THAT TO BE DONE TO 
  YOUR SON? Because products in your local supermarkets could do 
  it!
  
  
   
  "Dietary Flavonoids  
  Induce Cleavage in the MLL gene and may contribute to Infant Leukemia" 
  See  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10758153&dopt=Abstract
   
  "Exposure to genistein during gestation and lactation 
  demasculinizes the reproductive system in rats". See  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12629420&dopt=Abstract
   
   
  Valerie James  for www.soyonlineservice.co.nz 
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in India

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Laraine and all,
We're planning to go for four or five weeks. Id 
love you to pass on your friends info as it would be great to know someone when 
we get there. Please feel free to email me privately with any non list info but 
if its mid related I think we're all probably interested:)
I did wonder about the culture shock of being there 
and coming home, you sum it up quite well I imagine.
Thankyou, Julie'',

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Laraine 
  Hood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in 
  India
  
  Hi Julie, I spent 3 weeks in India at the 
  beginning of this year on a volunteer medical mission - hoping to see 
  home births etc.  Unfortunately there was a huge push to have the rural 
  women birth in the hospitals, with them being offered 'family planning 
  operations' after their 2nd baby.   Often cash incentives 
  accompanied this 'offer'.  I also have a friend who is currently there 
  and I will get her details of the hospital etc and forward them to you.  
  It will be an amazing, eye opening experience for you and well worth 
  it. How long are you going for?? Also, be prepared for culture shock when you go but an even bigger one 
  when you come back as you will all have changed but those around you at home 
  won't have.  It will be really important for you to debrief well, as a 
  group, and as individuals. It was an incredible experience for me that taught 
  me a lot about me and how fortunate we are to live in Oz. Good luck and keep 
  us posted, Laraine----- Original Message - 
  
From: 
Julie Garratt 
To: Ozmid ; Bmid 
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:27 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in 
India

Hello wise people:)
   
A few of the Bmid students and I are planing a trip to India this Christmas 
to experience midwifery in another culture. What we're wondering is have any 
of you been over there and had any birth experiences with Indian women. 

Do you think we could volunteer at a hospital 
or midwifery clinic? 
Does anyone have any contacts?
Were only in the planning stages at the 
moment and your input would be great.
Cheers, 
Julie'', 

[ozmidwifery] midwifery in India

[Julie Garratt]

Hello wise people:)
   
A few of the Bmid students and I are planing a trip to India this Christmas to 
experience midwifery in another culture. What we're wondering is have any of you 
been over there and had any birth experiences with Indian women. 

Do you think we could volenteer at a hospital or 
midwifery clinic? 
Does anyone have any contacts?
Were only in the planning stages at the 
moment and your imput would be great.
Cheers, Julie'', 

[ozmidwifery] do prems have prems?

[Julie Garratt]

Greetings wise people,
 
I'm hoping that someone can answer my question, One of the women that I'm 
involved with was born three months premature as was her brother. 
She seems convinced that her first baby is going to 
come early. My Question is, If you were a prem baby does it mean that you have a 
higher chance of having a prem baby your self?  
I need to support her and I cant find any evidence 
or information on this anywhere. 
Thankyou in anticipation, 
Julie'',

Re: [ozmidwifery] Sex Handout

[Julie Garratt]

Title: I Don't Think So ...



Hi all.
I'm sure that most of the girls that read this in 
the 60's thought this was a hoot like we all do.
 I think the old duck that wrote this may have 
taught me at convent school in the 70's. I remember her also instructing young 
ladies that "congress???(tell me more?)" was only for procreation otherwise it 
was a SIN!
 And what does it mean when it says"more 
unusual practices?and does silence mean you just don't moan?, 
Thanks for the best laugh I've had in ages. 
Julie'',
 
Original Message - 

  From: 
  Julie 
  Clarke 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:54 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sex Handout
  
  
  Hi Everyone I’m 
  working on a handout on sexuality for my classes at the moment – Would you 
  mind proof reading it for me?
  
   
  
This 
is an actual extract from a sex education school textbook for girls, printed 
in the early 60's in the 
UK, written by a 
woman!
"When 
retiring to the bedroom, prepare yourself for bed as promptly as 
possible.  Whilst feminine hygiene is of the utmost importance, your 
tired husband does not want to queue for the bathroom, as he would have to 
do for his train.  But remember to look your best when going to 
bed.
Try 
to achieve a look that is welcoming without being obvious.  If you need 
to apply face-cream or hair-rollers wait until he is asleep as this can be 
shocking to a man last thing at night.  When it comes to the 
possibility of intimate relations with your husband it is important to 
remember your marriage vows and in particular your commitment to obey 
him.  If he feels that he needs to sleep immediately then so be 
it.  In all things be led by your husband's wishes; do not pressure him 
in any way to stimulate intimacy.  Should your husband suggest congress 
then agree humbly all the while being mindful that a man's satisfaction is 
more important than a woman's.  When he reaches his moment of 
fulfilment a small moan from yourself is encouraging to him and quite 
sufficient to indicate any enjoyment that you may have 
had.
Should 
your husband suggest any of the more unusual practices be obedient and 
uncomplaining but register any reluctance by remaining silent.  It is 
likely that your husband will then fall promptly asleep so adjust your 
clothing, freshen up and apply your night-time face and hair care 
products.  You may then set the alarm so that you can arise shortly 
before him in the  morning.  This will enable you to have his 
morning cup of tea  ready when he 
awakes."
  
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] close babies!

[Julie Garratt]

Well what do you want to know?
My youngest are ten months apart and I had no 
probs, but I do have a few funny stories to tell :)
Ill see you at uni, so if the women wants to know 
what its like to have babies that close I would be glad to talk to her.  

OH, If you do find anything written Id love to read 
it. Love Julie'',
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  J 
  Stewart 
  To: ozmid ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 3:21 
PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] close 
babies!
  
  hello all!
   
  just wondering if anyone knows of any 
  journal articles, research etc etc that has been done on women having babies 
  within a very small time frame, ie one of the women im am following, 
  when she births in may, will have 2 with a age gap of 10months and 1 
  week.
   
  thanks in advance!
   
  love 
jessica.  

[ozmidwifery] Fw: I'm coming back as a Bear... :)

[Julie Garratt]

Sounds tempting,
Love Julie'',

> In this life I'm a woman. In my next life, I'd like to
> come back as a bear.
> 
>   When you're a bear, you get to hibernate. You do
> nothing but sleep for six months. I could deal  with
> that.
> 
> Before you hibernate, you're supposed to eat yourself
> stupid.I could  deal with that, too.
> 
> When you're a girl bear, you birth your children (who
> are the size of walnuts) while you're sleeping and
> wake to partially grown, cute cuddly cubs. I
> definitely can deal with that.
> 
> If you're a mama bear, everyone knows you mean
> business. You swat anyone who bothers your cubs. If
> your cubs get out of line, you swat them too. I could
> definitely deal with that.
> 
> If you're a bear, your mate EXPECTS you to wake up
> growling. He EXPECTS that you will have hairy legs and
> excess body fat.
> 
> Yup...gonna be a bear. :)
> 
> 
> > 


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Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together

[Julie Garratt]

Love and strength to you lieve,

There are many of us thinking of Lars,his family and you at the moment and I
think that there is good power in that.
 We send our blessings from afar and wish we could give you a hug,
Julie.

- Original Message -
From: "Lieve Huybrechts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together


> Dear friends,
>
> For those that weren't at the list at my first posting:
> When Nele was 22 weeks pregnant, ultrasound showed a severe heartdefect.
The
> baby wouldn't have any chance to live and was inoperable. They already
> choose for a homebirth. Against a lot of advice to quit the pregnancy at
> that time, they choose to give the baby the life he could have. They
stayed
> with their choice for homebirth.
>
> Nele gave birth today to a beautifull son Lars. She had a very fast labor
> and birth. There were a lot of emotions involved. We didn't know before
how
> the baby would react and how much time we would have with him. I have
> beautifull videomoments. The first half hour the mother stayed in bad,
where
> Lars was born, we didn't dare to transfer her to the coach. Lars started
to
> suckle his tumb and apgar stayed 9. So we moved to the coach and there he
> started breastfeeding.
> After a while they called the family and asked to come and see the baby.
You
> know most of the people advised to quit the pregnancy as soon as they knew
> the baby couldn't live long. It was beautifull to see how they reacted on
> the baby and started to love him.
> Now he lives already for 11 hours. He slept a while and drank again. His
> colour stays a little blueish, but not so bad. We don't know how long he
> stays like that. The parents are happy and enjoying the baby, although
they
> are very realistic. His older brother is at home to and talking to and
> cuddling the baby.
> Tomorrow we will have to think again. What do we have to do when he stays
in
> the same good condition? Do we have to go to the hospital? What will
happen
> there? What is the best thing to do?
> It was a strange day, I enjoyed the beautifull birth and the happiness of
> the parents between our tears of knowing we will have to let him go again.
> It will be a strange night. I am home now, they live in my street, two
> minutes walking. It will be a strange day tomorrow, I don't know what will
> come.
>
> Thank you all for being there and listen
> Lieve
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Re: [ozmidwifery] A puzzle???

[Julie Garratt]

DOH! I get it, Silly me LOL :)
- Original Message -
From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] A puzzle???


> Julie: if you follow the litle example given ie # =23 then 2+3 = 5 then
> 23 -5 = 18 do the same for all numbers 20 through 29 they all = 18.
> Similarly think of a thirty something #: 36 then 3+6 = 9 then 36-9 = 27
and
> for all of the thirty somthing numbers the answer equals 27. There is a
> different number for each decade and these numbers all had the same
symbol.
> So unless you just thought of any old number and tried to psych the
computer
> into displaying its symbol without doing the little sum, if you followed
the
> rules the trick worked.
>
> marilyn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Julie Garratt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] A puzzle???
>
>
> > Lieve,
> > I think your clever just for understanding your sons explanation LOL Its
> > been explained to me and I still don't get it!
> > When birth and death come together; How is the women and her family
> getting
> > on? I have been looking at ethics allot in the past week and my thoughts
> > turn to them often. Anyway,I hope things are going as well as they
> possibly
> > can . Love Julie'',
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Lieve Huybrechts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] A puzzle???
> >
> >
> > > It  changes the symbols every time and the same symbol is on
> > > 9,18,27,36,45,54,63,72,91. One of those numbers is always the result
> :-))
> > > Don't think I am so clever, I needed my son to explain...
> > >
> > > Lieve
> > >
> > >
> > > On 15-03-2003 04:31, "Julie Garratt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry its not mid but its too fun not to share:)
> > > > Love Julie:)
> > > >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] attending the birth from a distance?...

[Julie Garratt]

Maybe the youngest person ever to communicate OS by 
mobile:)
 (good for 
nothing blokes can be very helpful when making babies 
LOL)
You two are so cool. love Julie''

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom, Tania and Sam 
  Smallwood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:32 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] attending the 
  birth from a distance?...
  
  Just wanted to share a lovely story about a birth I attended 
  last night, where the woman planned to birth in hospital (having a VBAC) after 
  labouring for as long as she could at home, with myself and Wendy, the midwife 
  I work with.  This woman's husband was unfortunately not here, as he 
  is travelling overseas for work due home tomorrow. We managed not only to take 
  heaps of photos and video footage (with a fantastic machine with a 'night 
  vision' switch so you can literally see in the dark!), but we managed to get 
  her husband on the phone (oops, forgot you're not supposed to use a moblie in 
  hospitals :)) and he heard his baby boy being born, and take his first breath 
  and let out his first little cry. What an amazing experience for us 
  all, feeling all a bit emotional about the whole thing at the 
  moment, with my husband also out of the country for a few weeks (good for 
  nothing blokes!)
   
  Just had to share, 
   
  Tania
   
   
  ~Go after the thing you most hate,
  Doing what you most love, 
  Using the skills you 
have...~ 

Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Allowing' to push

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all,
   A women very 
keen to have a "natural birth" with her first baby, brillante labour, 
full dilation but the babes head not fully engaged was told to push way 
before she felt the need to. The outcome was lots of poo (very unpleasant for 
her and off-putting!) but maybe the reason that the head was high and the 
Doctor coming in and feeling what she described as a "fat lip!" and off we all 
went to theatre ): By the time we arrived she was very!!! ready to push but this 
was ignored as the intervention cascade was in full flood and despite a good FHR 
a section was preformed.
 Wisdom here please! what am I missing? 
Julie.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 8:05 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Allowing' to 
  push
  
  Mary said:As 
  for "allowing"  What does that mean?  The woman will push when she 
  has to and no amount of "not allowing" will stop her.  
  
   
  The major concern is for those mothers who are 
  told to push when they don't need to.  There really is no way a woman can 
  be told not to push; but the damage that can because when forced to push is 
  hugely ignored.  When I had my second baby (first vbac) the hospital 
  midwife said to my Independent midwife "don't you teach your women to 
  push!"   Hmm kinda says alot
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAwww.cares-sa.org.au[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 
  6918birth with trust, faith & love...
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:56 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] research @ 
uni

Jen, What a wonderful research question!  As a homebirth midwife I 
do not routinely do V.E's to confirm full dialtion before "allowing" a woman 
to push.  Many primiparous women do not have V.E's at home and progress 
without harm, to the birth of their babies.  The only time I do a 
V.E in that situation  is when the women is saying that it "really 
hurts" when she pushes. That is often a signal and  means 
that she isn't yet in 2nd stage or that there is a hand lying alongside the 
head (not proven until birthing). It shouldn't hurt so badly when in 
 normal 2nd stage. If I suspect a woman is not really in 2nd stge, 
I ask her to try and breathe through the contractions to the best of 
her ability until the head descends some more.  Occasionally there is 
an "anterior lip".   As for "allowing"  What does that 
mean?  The woman will push when she has to and no amount of "not 
allowing" will stop her.  Multiparous women at home never have a V.E to 
'Prove' full dilation.  Why would you?  Also there is that lovely 
"red/purple line" that appears.  I think that is a really good guide to 
full dilation, but I don't always see it.  
In the research question, are you going to differentiate between 
Primips or multips?  I would suggest just using primips.  If it is 
entrenched behaviour or routine, you might not get the numbers in hospitals 
so think about involving a homebirth or birthcentre practice.  Also, if 
you haven't already, do your literature search in homebirth/midwives 
magazines.  Midwifery today etc.  Love to hear how you are going 
with it and what you decide.  
MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] A puzzle???

[Julie Garratt]

Lieve,
I think your clever just for understanding your sons explanation LOL Its
been explained to me and I still don't get it!
When birth and death come together; How is the women and her family getting
on? I have been looking at ethics allot in the past week and my thoughts
turn to them often. Anyway,I hope things are going as well as they possibly
can . Love Julie'',

- Original Message -
From: "Lieve Huybrechts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] A puzzle???


> It  changes the symbols every time and the same symbol is on
> 9,18,27,36,45,54,63,72,91. One of those numbers is always the result :-))
> Don't think I am so clever, I needed my son to explain...
>
> Lieve
>
>
> On 15-03-2003 04:31, "Julie Garratt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Sorry its not mid but its too fun not to share:)
> > Love Julie:)
> >
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[ozmidwifery] A puzzle???

[Julie Garratt]

Sorry its not mid but its too fun not to share:)
Love Julie:)


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[ozmidwifery] Barbie's for us all!

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Pinkey and all,
You will appreciate this:)
Julie'',


> Finally a Barbie I can relate to. At long last, here
> are some NEW Barbie dolls to coincide with her and OUR
> aging gracefully. These are a bit more realistic...
>  
> 1. Bifocals Barbie. Comes with her own set of
> blended-lens fashion frames in six wild colours
> (half-frames too!), neck chain, and large-print
> editions of Vogue and Martha Stewart Living.
>  
> 2. Hot Flash Barbie. Press Barbie's bellybutton and
> watch her face turn beet red while tiny drops of
> perspiration appear on her forehead. Comes with
> handheld fan and tiny tissues.
>  
> 3. Facial Hair Barbie. As Barbie's hormone levels
>  shift, see her whiskers grow. Available with teensy
> tweezers and magnifying mirror. 
>  
> 4. Flabby Arms Barbie. Hide Barbie's droopy triceps
> with these new,roomier-sleeved gowns. Good news on the
> tummy front, two-Muumuus with tummy-support panels are
> included.
>  
> 5. Bunion Barbie. Years of disco dancing in stiletto
> heels have definitely taken their toll on Barbie's
> dainty arched feet. Soothe her sores with the pumice
> stone and plasters, then slip on soft terry mules. 
>  
> 6. No-More-Wrinkles Barbie. Erase those pesky
> crow's-feet and lip lines with a tube of Skin
> Sparkle-Spackle, from Barbie's own line of exclusive
> age-blasting cosmetics.
>  
> 7. Soccer Mom Barbie. All that experience as a
> cheerleader is really paying off as Barbie dusts off
> her old high school megaphone to root for Babs and
> Ken, Jr. Comes with minivan in robin-egg blue or white
> and cooler filled with doughnut holes and fruit punch.
>  
> 8. Mid-life Crisis Barbie. It's time to ditch Ken.
> Barbie needs a change, and Alonzo (her personal
> trainer) is just what the doctor ordered, along with
> Prozac. They're hopping in her new red Miata and
> heading for the Napa Valley to open a B&B. Includes a
> real tape of "Breaking Up Is Hard to Do." 
>  
> 9. Divorced Barbie. Sells for$ 199.99. Comes with
> Ken's house, Ken's car, and Ken's boat.
>  
> 10. Recovery Barbie. Too many parties have finally
> caught up with the ultimate party girl. Now she does
> Twelve Steps instead of dance steps.  Clean and sober,
> she's going to meetings religiously. Comes with a
> little copy of The Big Book and a six-pack of Diet
> Coke.
>  
> 11. Post-Menopausal Barbie. This Barbie wets her pants
> when she sneezes, forgets where she puts things, and
> cries a lot. She is sick and tired of Ken sitting on
> the couch watching the tube, clicking through the
> channels. Comes with Depends and Kleenex. As a bonus
> this year, the book "Getting In Touch with Your Inner
> Self" is included.
>  
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> 
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[ozmidwifery] baby wanted

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all,
 I need some wisdom for a young women who was 
tears telling me how desperately she wants to get pregnant, she has been trying 
for about 5 months.
 
She is 21, had an abortion at 16 and three recent 
miscarriages. She also has huge guilt that her past may have permanently damaged 
her body.
 
 Her doctor  told her that she is 
"low in estrogen" and that is why he put her on a contraceptive 
pill that had a high estrogen level in the past?
 

He also said that she has to have several more 
miscarriages before they will do any tests (cruel unthinking bastard!) 

 
 She is very slight in stature (maybe wears 
size 6 jeans) but otherwise healthy and has a good diet. 
 
 If you clever people can help with some 
advise so she can do something proactive I think it will be a great comfort to 
her.
 
All tips, tricks and recommendations 
welcome:)
 
Thankyou, Julie'',

Re: [ozmidwifery] re Do Women Matter??

[Julie Garratt]

Hi, 
It sounds interesting where can I access a 
copy?
Julie'',

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy Giesaitis 
  To: Ozmidwifery (E-mail) 
  Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:34 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] re Do Women 
  Matter??
  
  Things really 
  haven't changed at all!!  I am currently re reading "The Unfortunate 
  Experiment" of the CIN studies in Auckland and things really haven't changed 
  too much in the 20+ years since the inquiry.   Women treated by the 
  medical system, unless they are extremely articulate and/or very careful in 
  their choice of health care provider are still treated with distain by the so 
  called healing profession
   
  Damn their 
  eyes!!   Judy
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] obstetric language!

[Julie Garratt]

He should "BE HUNG UND FLOGGED!" 
She should sue him for abuse, that is just 
unbelievable.
Good on you for having a go at him.
Julie.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Trudie de 
  keijzer 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:25 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] obstetric 
  language!
  This is what I overheard an obstetrician say to a birthing 
  woman recently, whilst applying a ventouse:' stop screamingit is 
  all mind over matter...I don't mind and you don't matter'if I had not 
  heard it my self I would not have believed it ..we had quite a heated 
  discussion later outside the labour wardwith woman...and honoring of 
  midwivestrudiehttp://www.homebirthservices.com.auTrudie 
  de Keijzerphone 02 47574744mobile 0438 
572337

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture

[Julie Garratt]

Hi,Me again;)
I've found a picture and some info on Midge, worth 
a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm
It is suggested in this story that "Midge can help 
parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of the 
reproductive process".
Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" 
I think this is a real hoot!
 Pinky your definitely going to have fun with 
this one, keep us posted.
Julie'',
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" 
  
  
  Hi ladies,
  Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is 
  the paediatrician) -arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you 
  sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do 
  some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birth etc. 
   
  After a discussion with Andrea and lots of 
  thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the 
  media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking 
  about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 
  .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In 
  Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to 
  turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth to 
  their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some 
  serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!)
   
  The fact is, this doll is going to be out there 
  anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even 
  though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off 
  (ridiculous!!I agree - my son immediately tipped her upside down to see 
  how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina - a 
  teachable moment!!) - I think we can use this launch as a trigger 
  for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when 
  the phone lines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are 
  people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled 
  from the shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote 
  that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie 
  arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be some great 
  debate.
   
  What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear 
  shaped Barbie for years!!
  Would she be a collectors item?
  Pinky 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie"

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all,
Any word on who the father is? LOL 
When the belly comes off is there a 
baby?
Is she a size six or eight like 
Barbie?
Why can't Barbie be a Midwife?
I don't know if they are collectors items yet but I 
did hear that after they were removed from sale at Walmart they were selling 
hotly at increased prices on EBay.
Intrigued and curious, Julie'',

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" 
  
  
  Hi ladies,
  Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is 
  the paediatrician) -arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you 
  sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do 
  some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birth etc. 
   
  After a discussion with Andrea and lots of 
  thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the 
  media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking 
  about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 
  .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In 
  Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to 
  turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth to 
  their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some 
  serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!)
   
  The fact is, this doll is going to be out there 
  anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even 
  though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off 
  (ridiculous!!I agree - my son immediately tipped her upside down to see 
  how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina - a 
  teachable moment!!) - I think we can use this launch as a trigger 
  for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when 
  the phone lines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are 
  people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled 
  from the shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote 
  that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie 
  arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be some great 
  debate.
   
  What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear 
  shaped Barbie for years!!
  Would she be a collectors item?
  Pinky 

Re: [ozmidwifery] ??sleep question

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Pinky,
In my other life as a Babycharmer :)LOL I found 
that slowly acclimatising babies to change works best. Can the parents safely 
tie the hammock in the cot and slowly lower it until it lies flat on the bottom? 
Might work. Julie'',
 
 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:30 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] ??sleep 
  question
  
  Hi all - anyone?? Any suggestions?
  A question from a parent that has me a bit 
  baffled - I get several every day and most are totally straightforward. 
  Interestingly most babies parents enquire about are sleeping long 
  stretches - mine never slept 12 hours -at any age!!
   
   
  The challenge 
  we are currently faced with is moving (baby) from a babyhammock to a 
  cot. (baby)  is now 6 months old and has been 
  sleepingsuccessfully in a hammock for the last 4 months averaging around 
  12 hourssleep solid for that time. We are currently reaching a point that 
  he willout grow his hammock so we will have to put him into a cot. We have 
  triedthis a few times with the same result. He will go to sleep on his 
  back andstay there for about 20 minutes and then because he can roll now 
  he rolls inhis sleep and wakes himself up. We are both unsure of what to 
  do.Pinky

[ozmidwifery] we survived!

[Julie Garratt]

Title: Message



I think this might give 
you all a smile.
Grin, 
Julie'',

 

> Congratulations are in order if you lived as a 
child 
> in the 60's, 70's or even early 80's. 

> (or earlier for some, but I won't go there !!) 

> 
> Looking back, it's hard to believe that we have 
lived 
> as long as we have... 
> 
> As children, we would ride in cars with no seat 
belts 
> or air bags. Riding in the back of a ute on a warm 
day 
> was always a special treat. 
> 
> Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored 

> lead-based paint. We had no childproof lids on 

> medicine bottles, doors, or cabinets, and when we 
rode 
> our bikes, we had no helmets. (Not to mention 

> hitchhiking as a young kid!) 
> 
> We drank water from the garden hose and not from a 

> bottle. Horrors. 
> 
> We would spend hours building our go-carts out of 

> scraps and then rode down the hill, only to find 
out 
> we forgot the brakes. After running into the 

> bushes a few times we learned to solve the problem. 

> 
> We would leave home in the morning and play all 
day, 
> as long as we were back before dinner time. No one 
was 
> able to reach us all day. No mobile phones. 

> 
> Unthinkable. 
> 
> We played dodgeball and sometimes the ball would 

> really hurt. We got cut and broke bones and broke 

> teeth, and there were no law suits from these 

> accidents. They were accidents. 
> No one was to blame, but us. Remember accidents? 

> 
> We had fights and punched each other and got black 
and 
> blue and learned to get over it. 
> 
> We ate cupcakes, bread and butter, and drank sugar 

> soft drink but we were never overweight... 

> we were always outside playing. We shared one soft 

> drink with four friends, from one bottle and no one 

> died from this. 
> 
> We did not have Playstations, Nintendo 64, X-Boxes, 

> video games at all, 99 channels on pay TV, video 
tape 
> movies, surround sound, personal mobile phones, 

> Personal Computers, Internet chat rooms ... we had 

> friends. We went outside and found them. We rode 
bikes 
> or walked to a friend's home and knocked on the 
door, 
> or rung the bell or just walked in and talked to 
them. 
> 
> Imagine such a thing. Without asking a parent! By 

> ourselves! Out there in the cold cruel world! 
Without 
> a guardian. 
> 
> How did we do it? 
> 
> We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and 
ate 
> worms and although we were told it would happen, we 

> did not put out very many eyes, nor did the worms 
live . 
> inside us forever. 
> 
> We played footy down the park and not everyone got 

> picked to play. Those who didn't, had to learn to 
deal 
> with disappointment. Some students weren't 

> as smart as others so they failed a grade and were 

> held back to repeat the same grade.Horrors. 

> Tests were not adjusted for any reason. 

> 
> Our actions were our own. Consequences were 
expected. 
> No one to hide behind. The idea of a parent bailing 
us 
> out if we broke a law was unheard of. 

> They actually sided with the law, imagine that! 

> 
> This generation has produced some of the best 

> risk-takers and problem solvers and inventors, 
ever. 
> The past 50 years has been an explosion of 
innovation 
> and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and 

> responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it 
all. 
> 
> And you're one of them. 
> 
> Congratulations! 
> 
> Please pass this on to others who have had the luck 
to 
> grow up as kids, before lawyers and government 

> regulated our lives, for our own good. 





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Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together

[Julie Garratt]

Love and joy to you and your special family, This angel baby will affect so many lives, I feel that his memory will have a profound effect on all that hear about him. He is a little blessing and may have more influence in his short life than many people ever do. Babies love to hear music in utero he chose his mother well, smart baby I think :)      Christmas greetings, Julie'',    - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2002 9:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together  Hi Sally,We are doing fine. I had 5 wonderfull births this month and two to go.The mother and her husband are doing a wonderfull job. She started workingagain. She is a music teacher and gives gitar lessons. She explained thesituation to all her students (range from 12y to adults) herself and hadsome wonderfull reactions.She comes every week to the birthcentre to the postnatal talkgroup. Some ofthe other mothers are pregnant as well and due for the same time. At first Iwas a littlebit afraid for the reactions and feelings of the other mothers,but they learned me some lessons about the strength and caring force ofwomen :-)The last scan of the baby proved that the left side of the heart  almostdisapeared, that confirmed that the baby will not live long after birth.She enjoys the feeling of the baby, he is very active. We listen to theheartbeat and she can perfect say in what position he is lying.Her oldest child is 1 1/2y old and had some anxiety in the night and woke upoften. We helped him with bachflowers and it worked well.The one thing that concerns me is that I don't know how her gyn will behaveat the end. The parents are strong enough to make their own choices, but hecan spoil the peace they have now.We don't have a good relation. He refuses to work with independent midwivesand even refuses to talk to us. At this moment he was suprisingly supportivefor homebirth and maybe I am too suspicious, but I don't know if he ishonest or has some tricks in his hands.We will see, maybe this is a chance to get some entrance for a kind ofworking together. Let's hope.I wish you all warm Christmas days with a lot of friendship. I want to thankyou all for the support and knowledge that you shared with me. I will keepin touch through the new year and I wish you all to get connected with otherstrong women. Happy hollydaysLieveOn 22-12-2002 09:35, "Sally Westbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Hi Lieve,> > I was just thinking about you and your wonderful mother to be. Wondering> how you all were going.> > In peace and joy> > Sally Westbury> > > --> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.> Visit  to subscribe or unsubscribe.> --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit  to subscribe or unsubscribe.Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

[ozmidwifery] Aviva/belly dancing for midwives

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all'   I just had my first Belly dancing lesson with our own Aviva in Adelaide It was magical and should be compulsory Mid training (mainly coz its fun). There was a Midwife from England called Patricia who is going to join our list when she gets home in January and Merry who is a midwife at Mt Barker Hospital also a soon to be a lister, so we can look forward to input from these two wonderful women.   Any other Belly dancing queens out there? Preggie pelvic rockers maybe? Women power on, wow!    It may take me a while to calm down :)    LOL Julie'',           .Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

[ozmidwifery] dam H2O filtration

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Pete,    My husband runs a water filtration plant in the Adelaide hills he suggests that you may be able to use a swimming pool pump or your pressure pump with a paper cartridge filter attached for turbidity (maybe you can borrow one from a pool shop) and use something like Milton's baby solution to kill the bacteria. This contains chlorine and again you may be able to get the water tested by the pool shop it may not be perfect but it would have to be better than nothing. Good luck, I hope all goes well.  Julie'',     .Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together

[Julie Garratt]

  Hi Lieve, Maybe when this baby's being borne you can tell us and we can all pray or think special thoughts in our own way to help this child on its journey. I hope that this may be of some support. I'm thinking of you, wishing you strength and wisdom. Love Julie'',   .  - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:13 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come togetherHoi Mary and others of the list,That's a thing that is of our concern. We don't know how long the baby hasto live, nobody can forsay that and the parents are also  worried on how thebaby is going to die.I am glad that you gave this information.Maybe in my messages it sounds if I have worked it all trough, but I amdreaming of it at night, and sometimes a lot of doubts are my share too.I try to listen to them and give my support. We also find a lot offriendship and support in our birthcentre, especially in the postnataltalkgroup. It's amazing how the other mothers are acting towards the mother.It gives a very good feeling.On the operation it's not only the matter of survival but also the questionon quality of life. They forsay that if the baby would survive surgery, hehas to stay for at least 2 years in the hospital and will have a lot ofoperations during his life.I hope we can give the baby love and warmth and I hope that the parents willafterwards have a warm feeling about it, without doubts of having actedwell.Warm greetingsLieve --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 26/11/02Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth

[Julie Garratt]

Thankyou Jane, I've added your site to my favourites. I will read the rest when I have more time.     Julie'',       .    - Original Message - From: Jane Palmer Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2002 8:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth    Dear Julie   I have an article on my website about lotus birth by Sarah Buckley - thought you might be interested. Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au/Lotus_birth.htm   Cheers   Jane Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

[ozmidwifery] lotus birth

[Julie Garratt]

Hi fellow listers,      Where can I find information on Lotus Birth? is there any dangers? what are the implications for the mother/child? I've heard of them and I'd love some more info. Sounds really spiritual and karmic.    Thankyou for yet again feeding my curiosity. Julie'',Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together

[Julie Garratt]

Dear Lieve,   There is a wonderful Australian video called "Some Babies Die" It was produced in Sydney in the early nineties and It is available from the library in Mt Barker SA.  It mainly follows the journey of one family who give birth to a dear baby who lived only hours. The doctor and midwives involved are awe-inspiring to say the least. They continually bring the little babe in to the mother and family in the days following death and allow them to get to know and say goodbye to him. They also take photos of him and keep them aside if they are wanted later. This may sound strange but they say that these mementos often have huge value later for the parents. The Doctor who started the program had lost several of his own children shortly after birth and he is just lovely to watch, a wonderful gifted man. I will post more details tomorrow so people can track it down as It is truly excellent and has won several awards.   I hope all goes well for this brave family and every body involved. It is always so sad to think of anyone one losing a child and this one is obviously so very loved.    Julie'',  .   - Original Message -  From: Lieve Huybrechts Sent: Sunday, 1 December 2002 1:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together  Dear list,I have a mother due in march. During  the ultrasound on 22 weeks the gyndiscovered something was wrong with the heart of the baby. The expertiseultrasound showed that the left side of the heart is not developed. The babywill die soon after birth when the function of cord and placenta will stop.We had a lot of talks then and I was happy to support them in their choicesand to give them information.The parents decided to go on with the pregnancy  and to have a homebirth.They enjoy the baby as long as he has to live. She comes to the birthcentreevery week and talks with the other moms and they are also very supportivefor her. I was wondering if someone has excperience with a likely situation and canshare it with me. Warm greetings Lieve--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit  to subscribe or unsubscribe.Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] Old wives tales, big babies

[Julie Garratt]

  Hi,  I was never warned about drinking stout but I was warned about reaching high above my head when putting the clothes on the line when pregnant or the baby would be able to turn and become a breach! hey maybe it could work the other way round LOL. I love these stories, any more?   Julie'',  - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD WAS big baby fear?  This just made me remember a story my ex-mother in law used to tell about her mother's 14lb baby. The lived out in Western Queensland and the time would have been ~1915 or so. It was her mother's second pregnancy having successfully birthed a 7to 8lb boy the first time. Apparently there were these maternity centers at outposts around Queensland where women could come in for"confinement", they were sataffed by midwives. For some reason that I no longer remember her mother had taken to drinking a bottle of stout with every evening meal with this baby - some worry with nutrition. Anyway when she arrived at the maternity center, apparently she was very drawn and very huge. She overheard one of the midwives say to another "here comes death". This of course did not sit well with her, but she went on to birth her 14 lb baby without complications (sorry but other details were not handed down). The 14 lb baby grew into a slender, fit man of about 5 feet 7 inches tall, one of the smaller of his other 6 brothers and 2 sisters and lived a long and productive life. All other babies were in the 7 to 8 lb range with mum avoiding stout. The stout and the unfortunate (to say the least) comment of the midwife were the essence of the story handed down. This story, of course was told to me when I was prenant with my 1st daughter, I suppose to make sure I avoided the stout, and to prepare me for the possibility of a truly huge baby. Mine was a miniscule 6lber.   marilyn      - Original Message -  From: rem & melissa bruijn  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD WAS big baby fear? -->From: Sarah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> I just find it disheartening to hear someone say that they were glad that > they had a c-section because their baby was 'large'. I mean fair enough if > it was 12lb or something (although I have heard that's possible!) > > Anyway, I'm not yet a midwife and there's probably more to it than this > like for instance cephalopelvic disproportionSarah - check out the International Caesarean Awareness Network (ICAN) website (www.ican-online.org).  In their FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) section, they discuss when a c/sec is TRULY indicated with a CPD diagnosis.  According to ICAN, true CPD is extremely rare and only associated with a pelvic deformity or an incorrectly healed pelvic break.  That description does not apply to any of the women that I know who were sliced open for "CPD".Melissa Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] big baby fear? true knots

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Mary,   I really don't know if they knew before birth or not, I assume the knot might have somehow compromised the fetal heartbeat? Or just another piece of information that was misinterpreted by confused parents! something was going on though because there was enough concern about the baby to have a very late c/s as she was needing to push on the way to theatre. I wasn't present during this her first birth so Im a bit hazy on the facts.  Can you tell if a cord is knotted before birth? anyone know? how common is it and is it usually a problem? Lots of questions (sorry) but I love the info and wisdom on this list.   Julie'',    From: Mary Murphy  Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] big baby fear?  You wrote: "the baby having a full knot in the cord" I have birthed a number of babies safely that after the birth, were discovered to have full knots in the cord.  Can one diagnose these by u/s?  How did they know before her c/s that is what was present? MMGet more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] big baby fear?

[Julie Garratt]

Hi Ken,     the Caesar was offered because she her first baby 18 months earlier that way! and not due to her body but the baby having a full knot in the cord! gives me the irits that such an invasive procedure can be just offered for no good reason if you've had one before. (scar in good order, healthy young mum and all!) Big babies? My first baby weighed 4060 at birth, I had an easy time of it but his shoulders were like the Sydney Harbour Bridge OUCH! thanks for the info.  Julie'',      - Original Message - From: Ken Ward Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2002 2:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] big baby fear?    Big baby would, in my books, be over 4000. A lot does depend on the size of the mother.  Why the caesar? Hopefully not for 'big baby'  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Julie GarrattSent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:33 AMTo: ozmidSubject: [ozmidwifery] big baby fear? Hi all, I'm concerned that saying to a mother that their having a "nice big baby" can be a bit terrifying as my niece just told me that she was so glad she had a caesarean because he was such a big baby. He was actually only... weight 2980, length 49.5cm head circumference 35.5cm. I asked her why she thought this was big as its her second child and second ceasar. Her reply was that all through her pregnancy she was told that he was a big baby, even a very big baby! maybe it was because my niece is very overweight that this was said, I don't know? I'm sure the Midwives meant that he was a healthy baby not to huge to be birthed. What is a big baby anyway?    Curious as always Julie'',      Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

[ozmidwifery] big baby fear?

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all, I'm concerned that saying to a mother that their having a "nice big baby" can be a bit terrifying as my niece just told me that she was so glad she had a caesarean because he was such a big baby. He was actually only... weight 2980, length 49.5cm head circumference 35.5cm. I asked her why she thought this was big as its her second child and second ceasar. Her reply was that all through her pregnancy she was told that he was a big baby, even a very big baby! maybe it was because my niece is very overweight that this was said, I don't know? I'm sure the Midwives meant that he was a healthy baby not to huge to be birthed. What is a big baby anyway?    Curious as always Julie'',    Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Should Kids Witness A Birth ?

[Julie Garratt]

There was another funny story a bit like this one. A mother gave birth with the help of paramedics in her car in front of her amazed four year old. The local news interviewed the family a few days later and the child was asked by the reporter " I bet you know were babies come from" yes she said from under the car seats. cute ha! and a true story:)     Julie'',    - Original Message - From: Rhonda Sent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Should Kids Witness A Birth ?    Stay Happy Rhonda. Subject:  should kids witness birth?Should kids witness a birth? A true  story:  Short and VERY funny!It was late at night  and Heidi, who was expecting her second child washome alone with  her 3-year old daughter Katelyn. When Heidi started going into labor, she called "911".Due to a power outage at the time,  only one paramedic responded to thecall.  The house was very,  very dark, so the paramedic asked Katelyn tohold a flashlight high over her mommy so he could see while he helped deliverthe baby. Very diligently, Katelyn did as she was asked.Heidi  pushed and pushed, and after a little while Connor was born. Theparamedic lifted him by his little feet and spanked him on his bottom.Connor began to cry.The paramedic then thanked Katelyn for her help and asked the wide-eyed3-year old what she thought about what she had just witnessed.Katelyn quickly responded, "He shouldn't have  crawled in there in thefirst place. Spank him  again!"    IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: READ - TAKE HEED !!!

[Julie Garratt]

Hi :) Not a bad idea to photocopy all your travellers checks , plane tickets and your passport when going OS. Then leave a copy with your family at home in case you have any trouble.      Julie'',    - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 4:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: READ - TAKE HEED !!!  as an Aussie existing in the USA, can I just say that our tax file numberdoesn't even begin to equal the value of the SS number. You can't even getthe PHONE connected without a SS number (I kid you not).  One of the thingsthat annoys me constantly is when I go to inservice I have to give my SSnumber along with my name when I sign attendance records. Of course I'm theonly idiot who doesn't know their SSN off by heart cos I've only had it fora year!!Kirstenwho only has 8 months to go- Original Message -From: "Brian White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:16 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: READ - TAKE HEED !!!> This is obviously American advice - Australian's don't> have Social Security numbers. I guess the closest thing> is the Tax File Number.>> However - the photocopying everything is *good* advice.>> I have heard similar advice about going overseas, which> I follow - I always take several photocopies of the> front page of my passport, and take one with me and> leave one here with someone I can contact easily. If> I then lose my passport or have it stolen it is then> much easier to replace.>> Regs>> Brian White> ( The list's lurking geek ... )>> At 23:26 14/11/2002, Rhonda wrote:> >> >I am not sure if these numbers work from Australia but the advice is good> >in this day and age.  I would never have thought to photocopy what was in> >my purse.> >Regards> >Rhonda.> >> >I don't know if a corporate attorney actually sent this out, but itsounds> >like good advice.> >A corporate attorney sent this out to the employees in his company...> >> >Place the contents of your wallet on a photocopy machine, do both sidesof> >each license, credit card, etc.> >You will know what you had in your wallet> >and all of the account numbers and phone numbers to call and cancel.Keep> >the photocopy in a safe place.> >> >We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed against us in> >stealing a name, address, Social Security, credit cards, etc.Unfortunately> >I, an attorney, have firsthand knowledge because my wallet was stolenlast> >month.  Within a week, the thieve(s) ordered an expensive monthly cellphone> >package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit line approved tobuy a> >Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to change my drivingrecord> >information online, and more.> >> >But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case thishappens> >to you or someone you know: We have been told we should cancel yourcredit> >cards immediately.  But the key is having the toll free numbers and yourcard> >numbers handy so you know whom to call.  Keep those where you can findthem> >easily.> >> >File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction where it was stolen,> >this proves to credit providers you were diligent, and is a first steptoward> >an investigation (if there ever is one).> >> >But here's what is perhaps most important: (I never ever thought to dothis)> >Call the three national credit reporting organizations immediately toplace a> >fraud alert on your name and Social Security number. I had never heard of> >doing that until advised by a bank that called to tell me an applicationfor> >credit was made over the Internet in my name.> >> >The alert means any company that checks your credit knows yourinformation> >was stolen and they have to contact you by phone to authorize new credit.By> >the time I was advised to do this, almost ! ! ! two> >weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done.> >> >There are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves'> >purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert.> >Since then, no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my> >wallet away this weekend (someone turned it in).  It seems to havestopped> >them in their tracks.> >> >The numbers are:> >Equifax: 1-800-525-6285> >Experian (formerly TRW): 1-888-397-3742> >Trans Union: 1-800-680-7289> >Social Security Administration (fraud line): 1-800-269-0271> >> >We pass along jokes; we pass along just about everything.  Do think about> >passing this information along.  It could really help someone.> >> >> >> >> >1438a9.jpg> >IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved -> >Click Here>> -> Brian White> Step Two Designs Pty Ltd> Knowledge Management Consultancy, SGML & XML> Phone: +612-93197901> Web:   http://www.steptwo.com.au/> Email: [E

Re: [ozmidwifery] salad tongs, crotchet hooks and the hover!

[Julie Garratt]

How about they give themselves a frontal lobotomy with a set of salad tongs before using forceps.   This sounds like a plan!   Julie'',  - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2002 4:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM and crotchet hooks  and perhaps be proficient at vacuuming an entire house (unprompted, ofcourse!) before touching a Ventouse!!!Love it!Tania- Original Message -From: Larry & Megan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:53 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] ARM and crotchet hooks> Yesterday my lovely Mum was teaching me how to crotchet and it got me> thinking about artificial rupturing of membranes. I thought it appropriate> that before any practitioner was let loose on a woman to perform this> procedure, they had to first make a baby rug or something and master the> crotchet hook.> What do you think?> hehehe> Megan.>> --> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.> Visit  to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit  to subscribe or unsubscribe.Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.

[Julie Garratt]

Hi,
  He is a GP in Sydney.
   Julie'',






From: "Aviva Sheb'a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:36:28 +1030

so, did he become a fisherman, my daughter Rosie wants to know! (gorgeous 
story)
aviva
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From: Julie Garratt
To: ozmid
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.




  - Original Message -
  From: Julie Garratt
  Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 5:19 PM
  To: BMid
  Subject: Born in the sea.

  Hi all,
I think with all this cascade of intervention stuff happening. I 
would like to tell you very quickly about the birth of my dear friend. He 
is from PNG and lived by the water in a very hot climate. After his mother 
had sent her husband to get her sister to help and support her while she 
gave birth. She decided that she would go and sit on the beach where it was 
cool and the water would ease her pain. It was apparently a long way to the 
next village and when the father and the sister had returned to find that 
she wasn't labouring in their house as expected the sister was drawn by 
some unknown force down to the beach. The mother turned around and 
acknowledged the arrival of her sister just as a glistening wet baby 
dropped onto the sand. The now aunty and mother were laughing as they 
washed the sand from him in the sea water because they thought that this 
meant he was going to be a fisherman and not a farmer like his father.

  I was charmed by this birth story and I'm so glad he shared it with me. 
Its funny though because my friend doesn't seem to think its that special, 
he did say that as far as he knows babies aren't usually born in the ocean 
in his village. He also said that there were no midwives just mothers, 
friends and sisters to support women to give birth. He also said that it 
was definitely women's business then in the next breath he told me how much 
he enjoyed watching all of his babies being born here in Australia. Its a 
funny world!
 Julie'',


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.

[Julie Garratt]

Hi,
  He is a GP in Sydney.
   Julie'',






From: "Aviva Sheb'a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:36:28 +1030

so, did he become a fisherman, my daughter Rosie wants to know! (gorgeous 
story)
aviva
----- Original Message -
From: Julie Garratt
To: ozmid
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.




  - Original Message -
  From: Julie Garratt
  Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 5:19 PM
  To: BMid
  Subject: Born in the sea.

  Hi all,
I think with all this cascade of intervention stuff happening. I 
would like to tell you very quickly about the birth of my dear friend. He 
is from PNG and lived by the water in a very hot climate. After his mother 
had sent her husband to get her sister to help and support her while she 
gave birth. She decided that she would go and sit on the beach where it was 
cool and the water would ease her pain. It was apparently a long way to the 
next village and when the father and the sister had returned to find that 
she wasn't labouring in their house as expected the sister was drawn by 
some unknown force down to the beach. The mother turned around and 
acknowledged the arrival of her sister just as a glistening wet baby 
dropped onto the sand. The now aunty and mother were laughing as they 
washed the sand from him in the sea water because they thought that this 
meant he was going to be a fisherman and not a farmer like his father.

  I was charmed by this birth story and I'm so glad he shared it with me. 
Its funny though because my friend doesn't seem to think its that special, 
he did say that as far as he knows babies aren't usually born in the ocean 
in his village. He also said that there were no midwives just mothers, 
friends and sisters to support women to give birth. He also said that it 
was definitely women's business then in the next breath he told me how much 
he enjoyed watching all of his babies being born here in Australia. Its a 
funny world!
 Julie'',


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact

[Julie Garratt]

What if you were Jewish or Muslim? Or anyone else that doesn't like the whole idea generally? How did you find out it was made from Pig semen anyway? Just curious, Julie.      - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact  Thank you, Rhonda, I'll pass this on. Pig semen? I'll bet if women knew what's in it, they'd be jumping up and down about it instead of using it! (Now there's an idea for induction...sorry, sometimes humour's a good thing). Aviva - Original Message -  From: Rhonda  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact  I suggest tjhat you allow her to be angry and to vent her pain and her anger towards those who caused it.   Support her in complaining to the hospital and insisting upon answers as lame as they may be.  If she were to ask why was the induction needed?  Was the baby in distress (at the time of the first insertion of gel - a horrible substance called prostin made from Pig seamen. Lovely!) Was her placenta failing?  What was the indication that at 10 days over she needed to be induced anyway? Then once they have wormed out of that she should ask for explanations as to why all of the intervention and what caused it and why was it all needed.   Give her lots of love and support to do this as nothing will change and it will keep happening unless women are encouraged to complain and conplain and complain!   Even if she personally gets little satisfaction fron the complaint it is just one more brick to add - eventually we will built a wall to protect women from this - brick by brick.   You need to complain first to the registra at the hospital but at the same time go directly to the medical practitioners board and make sure it outlines that the initial induction was not called for and the following intervention could have been avoided.  Also any poor bedside manner should be outlines clearly if they were rude to her which it seems they were not supportive and gentle from your description.   I wish her love and luck in her recovery - if she needs someone to talk to you are welcome to give her my email.    The problem is this happens every day and it is not looked at as torture or as something that needs to be changed.  The only way it will be seen as a problem is if they are inundated with complaints about this sort of thing.   Luv Rhonda.    IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

[ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.

[Julie Garratt]

     - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 5:19 PM To: BMid Subject: Born in the sea.   Hi all,   I think with all this cascade of intervention stuff happening. I would like to tell you very quickly about the birth of my dear friend. He is from PNG and lived by the water in a very hot climate. After his mother had sent her husband to get her sister to help and support her while she gave birth. She decided that she would go and sit on the beach where it was cool and the water would ease her pain. It was apparently a long way to the next village and when the father and the sister had returned to find that she wasn't labouring in their house as expected the sister was drawn by some unknown force down to the beach. The mother turned around and acknowledged the arrival of her sister just as a glistening wet baby dropped onto the sand. The now aunty and mother were laughing as they washed the sand from him in the sea water because they thought that this meant he was going to be a fisherman and not a farmer like his father.  I was charmed by this birth story and I'm so glad he shared it with me. Its funny though because my friend doesn't seem to think its that special, he did say that as far as he knows babies aren't usually born in the ocean in his village. He also said that there were no midwives just mothers, friends and sisters to support women to give birth. He also said that it was definitely women's business then in the next breath he told me how much he enjoyed watching all of his babies being born here in Australia. Its a funny world!    Julie'',  Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)

[Julie Garratt]

OH MY GOD!!,   This awful thing happened to me also I was in the QVH and the date was the 10/5/90 I had a hind leak so I was told that because of the risk of infection that I would have to be induced I was 4 weeks early!. A Curly haired GIT of a doctor came in and said that he had to rupture my waters properly to speed things up. "I was only telling this story at birth matters the other day!!!" IT WAS AGONY I thought at the time that this must be what Rape and toucher is like. I remember that he had very big hands and that my husband who could see how much pain I was in wanted to hit him. I have never experienced PAIN like that in my life. Maybe I should find out what his name was, I suppose it would be in the hospital notes. What if it's the same Doctor? we should find out. This vile thing shouldn't ever be allowed to happen again.   If you want to take it further I'm right beside you!   Julie Garratt.    - Original Message - From: Larry & Megan Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2002 11:26 PM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)  Can I burrow some wisdom from the list?I have just visited my friend and her new baby in hospital. Her doctorsuggested she be induced a week early because her baby was looking likebeing a good 9lb plus?(her first was 9lb). She trusted his wisdom and wentahead, having gels late evening and the following morning, nothinghappening. At 1pm he broke her waters. This bit I am appaled at. He has verylarge hands, and the agony it caused her was awful, even to the point ofscreaming at him to stop. He didn't. Eventually labour started and late thatevening with the aid of an epidural she birthed a lovely little boy,weighing only 8lb5oz. Mum and baby doing well.I asked her if he commented on the weight , of course he hasn't and theydon't want to say anything. She was induced for no good reason. Shedescribed the ARM as what she imagines being raped would feel like, (I guessphysically and emotionally) this will also not be passed on to him.I feel that she was raped and there is nothing I can do about it. I can'tforce her to acknowledge what happened, her and hubby are relatively happyand she has a beautiful baby that neeeds her. It is safer for them to thinkof it as a medical procedure because if you acknowledge it as rape, who isgoing to help them deal with it all. How many women and men experience this?This doctor will never know how he made her feel and can continue topractice like this because the silence says it is OK. I am so frustrated andsad that she had to experience it at all.It reinforces my belief in NMAP and the need for women to have the very bestof care.thanks, I just needed to vent off, my husbands ears are tired,Megan.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit  to subscribe or unsubscribe.Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy

[Julie Garratt]

Hi all,    My child who is now 12 has a few teeth with little enamel on them because I needed to take antibiotics during pregnancy for recurrent uti's. I think its referred to as Hyperplastic teeth. Also my husband runs the water treatment plant that services the Adelaide hills and I know for a fact that Fluoride is added to the municipal water supply as  " Mass Medication!" I will ask him to find out what the current knowledge is on the subject of safety in Pregnancy. Julie Garratt:)    - Original Message - From: Rhonda Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy      I did a study on Flouridation in the water a long time ago - during my HSC, but I do remember that it is only of some benefit to children aged 5 to 13 yrs and after the age of 13 it begins to build up in the body and may become a carsinogen or cause calcifying of the bones and joints - hence arthritis. So i can't see it being of benefit to a developing baby or the mother.  I think for healthy teeth and bones it would be far better to increase or make sure that the bodies intake of calcium is adequate. They used to say that women lost teeth from childbirth but this is more due to a lack of calcium than flouride. It has been removed from the water supply in many places around the world after trials caused adverse affects.  I think Japan was one place that introduced it and then removed it again.  (That is just from memory of my studies - so I may be wrong??)   And to note on the discolouration, I ask my dentist if I should give Katelyn flouride being born prem her teeth from both the prematurity and the drugs  came through with little to no enamel on a few of them.  The dentist said that her second teeth would probably be fine - (so far the ones that have come through now are great!)  And too much flouride causes white spots to develop on the teeth and so it is not really a good idea.  So I guess discolouring of teeth may be a direct result of flouride. Hope all that helps.   regards Rhonda.   ---Original Message---    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 12:42:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy   I can only speak from personal experience.  I lived in PNG when I was a young woman and had my babies there.  we drank only rain water and the big push in australia was for fluoride supplements.  I took them with one of my children and gave them all childrens doses when they were growing.   When his teeth came through he was the only one with discoloured teeth.  For that and all the other reasons about fluoride being a poison, I wouldn't recommend it. MM                          IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

[ozmidwifery] Re: [BMidStudentCollective] Jessdelirious.

[Julie Garratt]

WOW !,  Life doesn't get much more Amazing than that, and fancy this, one day you'll actually get paid to feel that good! "Jess, the all dancing all singing Midwife". I can see it now.  Congrats... Julie:)     Jess wrote. dear All,I am happy, stoked, proud, thrilled and woohoo-ed to announce that today saw the arrival of a baby, which coinsided with me assisting at my very first live birth!i rushed to the hospital at 3am this morning and at 12.40 in the afternoon mr 9.5pounds reared his [HUGE] head!! i cried!i was able to get really envolved, it was amazing! mum was EXCELLENT! 13hrs of labour, strong contractions and using only the gas. however, her dialation seemed to halt around 9cm which was frustrating. but to cut a long story short, the big beautiful head was born then within minutes the even bigger shoulders then he was here! im suprised you didnt all hear me singing and dancing around with joy!mum and bub are fine, student midwife dancing around the room like a crazy person!just had to share!take care!!love [a delirious] Jess[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Yahoo! Groups Sponsor  ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com