Re: [ozmidwifery] Recurring Severe Blocked Duct - Help for Me

[Sally]

I had recurrent blocked ducts, especially with my second baby. I have a duct
that has the outlet slightl off my nipple and matilda just didn't drain it.
It was really a pain. I can sypathise. The only think that made any
difference to me was to decrease caffiene level.

Sally


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[ozmidwifery] Wangaratta

[Sally]

Anyone from Wangaratta 
online?
 
I'm 
looking for information about caseloading.
 
Thanks 
friends.
 
Sally 
Westbury
 

[ozmidwifery] Homebirth Conference

[Sally]

When and where is the next homebirth conference 
going to be?
 
love Sally

[ozmidwifery] melbourne

[Sally]

Hi Folks,

I'm going to be in melbourne for the next 3 weeks. If anyone would like to
have a yarn about midwifery stuff with me while i'm over ease let me know.

Any study/conference/networking opportunities over east please also alert me
to.

Love Sally Westbury
Homebirth Midwife
Community Midwifery Program
Western Australia

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction

[sally]

Indeed, this has happened to me a couple of times. 
Once a baby had a full on fit about 5 mins after the injection, then went on to 
fit more in NBS, and a baby born by elective LUSCS had a respiratory 
arrest.
 
Both times the docs denied it could possibly have 
had anything to do with the vaccine!
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nicole 
  Carver 
  To: ozmid ; Maternity Coalition 
  Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:48 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine 
  reaction
  
  Hi All,
  Have just had a scary experience when a baby 
  became floppy and stopped breathing three times after the Hep B vaccine. 
  She is ok, but being observed for 24 hours in special care. It just reinforces 
  my belief that giving all babies Hep B prior to discharge from hospital is 
  unnecessary, and where there are no risk factors present, more dangerous than 
  not giving it.
  Nicole 
Carver.

[ozmidwifery] email address

[sally]

Does somebody have Leslie Arnotts email address>
 
thanks
 
Sally
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] caseload

[sally]

Check out the ANF with regards to this

Sally
- Original Message -
From: "Justine Caines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "OzMid List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] caseload


> Hi Monica
>
> Would love to chat off list as to where this is and how MC can support you
> and hopefully line up some consumers!
>
> Although our work with MC does not touch the professional issues of
midwives
> and we work closely with ACMI as a former trade union official I am very
> concerned at the pay structure for caseload (the loading is simply not
> enough).  If a caseload model is not met with medical interference and
> midwives deal solely with the majority of births they should they will be
> saving the health system (state and fed) many many millions of dollars. To
> my mind caseload midwives should be paid per birth (this can be
annualised).
>
> Midwives should be paid around $3,000 per birth which makes a caseload of
40
> /annum worth $120,000.  I think that for this money they may be providing
> their own vehicle etc.  This could happen, or there could be a reduction
for
> a vehicle and mobile etc.  None the less caseload care should be
remunerated
> appropriately.
>
> I think the NSW Nurses Association would be very interested in the 24/7 on
> call!  It seems a group practice of 3 enables considerable continuity with
> on-call relief.
>
> Can we talk further?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Justine
>
> Justine Caines
> National President  Maternity Coalition Inc
> PO Box 105
> MERRIWA  NSW  2329
> Ph: (02) 65482248
> Fax: (02)65482902
> Mob: 0408 210273
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Re: [ozmidwifery] email address

[sally]

Thanks Sally-Anne

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally-Anne Brown 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] email 
  address
  
  Hi Sally, 
   
  Here tis
   
   
  Leslie ArnottE-mail Address(es):[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   
  Sally-Anne
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
sally 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:50 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] email 
address

Does somebody have Leslie Arnotts email address>
 
thanks
 
    Sally
 



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[ozmidwifery] Re: Advocacy Update 12 April 2005

[sally]

Title: Message



For goodness sake...the same argument rehashed for 
the gazillionth time...when will the docs realize we are not wanting to step 
into their shoes.
 
I am s tired of this

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:10 
  PM
  Subject: Advocacy Update 12 April 
  2005
  
  
   
  
  AUSTRALIAN  
  COLLEGE  
  OF  MIDWIVES 
   Advocacy 
  Update
   12 April 
  2005
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  Obstetrician attacks 
  midwifery care as dangerous
   
  The following letter 
  to the Editor of The Australian has been sent this morning in response to an 
  article in The Australian Newspaper on Saturday which attacks the Ryde 
  Hospital in Sydney and the Midwifery care its provides.  The article in 
  The Australian is available here.  
  
   
  Re: ‘Battlefield 
  birth’
   
  The alarmist claim from a 
  Victorian obstetrician, Dr Pieter Mourik (The Australian 9 April 05) that the Ryde maternity unit 
  in Sydney is a “disaster waiting to happen” is misinformed.  
   No midwives, not least those working at Ryde hospital “think they can do 
  without obstetricians” as Dr Mourik alleges.  
  Midwives are committed to 
  professional collaboration with obstetricians to achieve the best outcomes for 
  mothers and babies.  Midwives at Ryde and other midwifery-led services 
  across Australia use the Australian College of Midwives National Guidelines 
  for Consultation and Referral (2004), to assist with making evidence based 
  decisions about when to consult with doctors about the care of an individual 
  woman and her baby.  
  As experts in normal birth, 
  midwives do not seek to provide obstetric care to women. They collaborate with 
  obstetricians--the recognized experts in complications- -as the needs of each 
  mother and baby dictate. Rather than criticize Ryde for transferring women to 
  obstetric care when they are identified as being at risk of a complication, Dr 
  Mourik and others should be applauding this service for working 
  collaboratively with doctors in the best interests of mothers and babies. 
  
  Since, as Dr Mourik himself 
  says, only around 30% of women develop obstetric problems, it’s time 
  obstetricians like Dr Mourik showed the same commitment to professional 
  collaboration and embraced midwives providing care to the healthy 70%-80% of 
  women.  
  Services like Ryde provide a 
  much needed option for healthy women to access one-to-one care from a midwife, 
  with the minority of these women also receiving obstetric care.  What 
  could be more sensible than that? 
  Dr Barbara 
  Vernon
  Executive 
  Officer
  Australian College of Midwives
   
   
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[ozmidwifery] Re: bathing babies

[sally]

Pardon my ignorance, but what would be the risk of infection?
I think as long as the babe's temp is ok and it hasn't been compromised in
any way it doesn't really matter. As long as the parents are happy. I
certainly wouldn't be bathing the baby if the parents were unable to
participate, at any stage after the birth.
A bath is a bath, I don't think we need guidelines or a rationale, surely?
( I seem to remember posts about this subject earlier in the year, am I
right?)

Sally
- Original Message -
From: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ozmid" 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:50 PM


> Dear fellow list members,
>
> What is your practice regarding the timing of the first bath, in a
hospital
> setting? One of my colleagues is re-examining our current practice of
> delaying the first bath until approx 24hrs, and after babe's temp is
> confirmed to be normal. We are keen to know the rationale for other
> midwives' practice, including it's impact on the infant's temperature and
> risk of infection.
>
> Your input would be most appreciated.
>
> Nicole Carver.
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: bathing babies

[sally]

Hi Nicole,

Agree with the Hep B, Hep C thing and HIV where it is apparent...but then
one could ask 'are we really sure of the women's status at birth, even if
they have tested negative?'
I guess, if there is an inordinate amount of blood on any baby it would be
better to wash it off, even if this is just with a face washer and warm
water, rather than a bath, then go ahead as normal with the full bath 24
plus hours later.

What do you think?

Sally
MMmm,
- Original Message -
From: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: bathing babies


> Hi Sally,
> I am passing on the message on behalf of someone else. However, one
possible
> reason for concern about infection might be if mum is a Hep B or C
carrier.
> Currently we bath babes of these women as soon as we can. Others we wait
for
> at least 24 hours to do first bath.
> Nicole.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sally
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:57 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: bathing babies
>
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but what would be the risk of infection?
> I think as long as the babe's temp is ok and it hasn't been compromised in
> any way it doesn't really matter. As long as the parents are happy. I
> certainly wouldn't be bathing the baby if the parents were unable to
> participate, at any stage after the birth.
> A bath is a bath, I don't think we need guidelines or a rationale, surely?
> ( I seem to remember posts about this subject earlier in the year, am I
> right?)
>
> Sally
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "ozmid" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:50 PM
>
>
> > Dear fellow list members,
> >
> > What is your practice regarding the timing of the first bath, in a
> hospital
> > setting? One of my colleagues is re-examining our current practice of
> > delaying the first bath until approx 24hrs, and after babe's temp is
> > confirmed to be normal. We are keen to know the rationale for other
> > midwives' practice, including it's impact on the infant's temperature
and
> > risk of infection.
> >
> > Your input would be most appreciated.
> >
> > Nicole Carver.
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing

[Sally]

Isis,
 
I think that you really should talk to Maree 
Dell the midwifery manager at the hospital. She is a good woman and very woman 
friendly. She needs to know that this is how you were treated at the Geelong 
Hospital.
 
There are lots and lots of stories about women 
having terrrible tearing surviving and being transformed by a second birth. 

 
I was with a woman last year with her second 
baby at home after 4th degree tear who had her next baby with tear that did need 
suturing but really happy. 
 
I also know women who choose to have a C/S. 

 
It all depends upon what you really want. Do you 
choose major abdominal surgery to avoid possible problems post vaginal birth? It 
is a really hard decision. There are no simple answers.
 
What is the real risk or re-tearing? Take 
into consideretion that you are having 'traditional' labour ward 
management? Do you have a birth plan? Have you made it really clear that you 
want 2nd stage without active pushing and without hurring the birth of the head. 
As with many hospitals there are midwives who are comfortable with that and 
others who are really frightened by a baby 'on the perineum'. 
 
Considering your 'need' visit Maree Dell and 
sugest that you need a midwife you know to be with you so that you don't have to 
negotiate this with a midwife on the day. They have been known to caseload for 
women with special needs and I would say that you are one of these. You can 
ask Maree for a midwife who would be comfortable with your needs. It is 
possible.
 
If you have a C/S and have 
complications can you live with that 
decision?
 
If you have a VB and have complications can you 
live with that decision?
 
Go talk with Maree. Tell her I told you to 
come.
 
Love Sally
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Isis and 
  Andrew Caple 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:33 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall 
  tearing
  
  
  I am actually under 
  the care of the midwives clinic attached to the Geelong Hospital and I have loved all 
  the midwives that I have met so far. They are all very supportive of my wishes 
  and ideas. I had a laugh with the last midwife I saw about the fact that I 
  would be propositioned by the OB at this appointment 
  to have a c-sec. But I didn’t dream that I would face what I did.. I 
  understand about liability, responsibility, ‘harm minimisation’ and all the 
  stuff that makes up hospital policy- but I never expected to feel so ridiculed 
  by someone who should be glad that I am willing to take responsibility for my 
  body and the birth of our child.. Informed choices, informed decisions are 
  what we are told to make these days- but ‘they’ forgot to mention that if 
  these choices/decisions aren’t what is recommended, then shock tactics may be 
  introduced.
   
  If anyone out there 
  does know of a woman who has experienced a tear like mine, then gone on to 
  ‘survive’ a subsequent VB, I would really appreciate hearing their story. Even 
  any of you lovely ladies out there that have cared for women like me, I would 
  love to hear a positive story/outcome.. 
   
   
   
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry & 
  MeganSent: Wednesday, 16 
  July 2003 10:52 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall 
  tearing
   
  
  My heart 
  goes out to you, I'm not a midwife but I know enough to know youv'e been 
  bullied. 
  
  I had a 
  second degree tear with my first which I think was brought on by obs coaching 
  to push my baby out. Second baby was born at home in the water, wonderful 
  midwife and only my breath and involuntary pushing to birth my baby, small 
  first degree tear, no stitching required. Third baby at home, same results. I 
  also had a physiological third stage for both bubs at home. 
  
  
  I truly 
  believe that you must have faith in what you are trying to do and must also 
  have faith in those supporting you. I don't know what options you have 
  regarding who you birth with, but it may be worth seeking other care 
  providers. We did our homework, and were greatly supported by our midwife, we 
  accepted the associated risks and birthed as best we 
  could.
  
  It is 
  important to be informed of possible adverse outcomes, but this can't be your 
  focus, or your carers. 
  
  Nows a 
  good time to be with like minded people, reading positive birth stories, 
  be kind to yourself and take a breath to get back on track for the birth 
  of your baby.
  
  I hope 
  you are feeling better, and your birth goes well,
  
  love 
  Megan
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Isis and Andrew 
  CapleSent: Wednesday, 16 
  July 2003 9:27To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] vag

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing

[Sally]

phone me if you want to talk with me about 
this.
 
Sally Westbury
0894304496

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Isis and 
  Andrew Caple 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:33 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall 
  tearing
  
  
  I am actually under 
  the care of the midwives clinic attached to the Geelong Hospital and I have loved all 
  the midwives that I have met so far. They are all very supportive of my wishes 
  and ideas. I had a laugh with the last midwife I saw about the fact that I 
  would be propositioned by the OB at this appointment 
  to have a c-sec. But I didn’t dream that I would face what I did.. I 
  understand about liability, responsibility, ‘harm minimisation’ and all the 
  stuff that makes up hospital policy- but I never expected to feel so ridiculed 
  by someone who should be glad that I am willing to take responsibility for my 
  body and the birth of our child.. Informed choices, informed decisions are 
  what we are told to make these days- but ‘they’ forgot to mention that if 
  these choices/decisions aren’t what is recommended, then shock tactics may be 
  introduced.
   
  If anyone out there 
  does know of a woman who has experienced a tear like mine, then gone on to 
  ‘survive’ a subsequent VB, I would really appreciate hearing their story. Even 
  any of you lovely ladies out there that have cared for women like me, I would 
  love to hear a positive story/outcome.. 
   
   
   
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry & 
  MeganSent: Wednesday, 16 
  July 2003 10:52 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall 
  tearing
   
  
  My heart 
  goes out to you, I'm not a midwife but I know enough to know youv'e been 
  bullied. 
  
  I had a 
  second degree tear with my first which I think was brought on by obs coaching 
  to push my baby out. Second baby was born at home in the water, wonderful 
  midwife and only my breath and involuntary pushing to birth my baby, small 
  first degree tear, no stitching required. Third baby at home, same results. I 
  also had a physiological third stage for both bubs at home. 
  
  
  I truly 
  believe that you must have faith in what you are trying to do and must also 
  have faith in those supporting you. I don't know what options you have 
  regarding who you birth with, but it may be worth seeking other care 
  providers. We did our homework, and were greatly supported by our midwife, we 
  accepted the associated risks and birthed as best we 
  could.
  
  It is 
  important to be informed of possible adverse outcomes, but this can't be your 
  focus, or your carers. 
  
  Nows a 
  good time to be with like minded people, reading positive birth stories, 
  be kind to yourself and take a breath to get back on track for the birth 
  of your baby.
  
  I hope 
  you are feeling better, and your birth goes well,
  
  love 
  Megan
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Isis and Andrew 
  CapleSent: Wednesday, 16 
  July 2003 9:27To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall 
  tearing
  
I 
apologize in advance for rehashing an old topic of discussion, but I need to 
get this off my chest.
 
I had 
a 36 week ANC appointment with one of the hospital OB’s yesterday and I left 
the appointment shaking with anger. I also left questioning my own wishes 
and plans. I was asked if I realized the risks of a VB due to my tear. I 
answered to the affirmative. I was asked if I truly appreciated the ‘great’ 
possibilities of incontinence if I had a VB. I answered yes, but didn’t 
engage in a debate over the actual research done and what may cause the 
incontinence.. I was then asked how I felt in the event of a successful VB, 
with no tear, still meaning that 10-20-30-40 years down the track I would 
most likely still need a colostomy bag due to the damage to the perineal 
nerves/muscles- all linking back to my ‘ungiving’ scar tissue and my adamant 
wish to have a VB. How does he expect me to feel, with this doom and gloom 
prediction being spouted in an extremely patronizing tone of voice?  He 
went on and on for about 6-7 minutes about how I must realize the risks that 
my choices could entail. I felt my face getting hot, I felt sweat beading on 
my upper lip, I started shaking. The only part of my wishes that he actually 
‘approved’ was the possibility of an episiotomy..  Then he started on 
my wish for a physiological 3rd stage- again predicting doom and 
gloom. His exact wording was ‘Sure it is great to have a natural delivery of 
the placenta, but you can also die naturally from massive blood loss. Did 
you know that a PPH can mean that blood is run

RE: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant, powerful Birth!!

[Sally]

Dearest Isis,

 

That is so good
to hear.

 

Love Sally

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Isis and Andrew Caple
Sent: Friday, 15 August 2003 1:02
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant,
powerful Birth!!

 





Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you all know that I
gave birth to a beautiful, bonny, baby boy on the 11th August.
Nathan Michael weighed in at 8lb, 8oz/3860g, HC- 36cm, length- 54cm. My labour
was fast, powerful and so very, very satisfying. It lasted little under 2
hours, I emerged with a neat 2nd degree tear and easily birthed the
placenta with no man-made help!! My milk has come in and I am looking forward
to it settling, but so far this whole experience has made me feel so powerful.

 

I wanted to thank all of you for being so
supportive after my experience with the evil hospital consultant, I wish I
could have seen him straight after the birth.. I would have laughed in his face
for being so wrong about my body. I had a beautiful experience, with a beautiful
midwife (Lynne Pyke) to help me. Not that I needed it really J

 

I am living proof that a woman who sustains
a fourth degree tear can birth another baby (a bigger one by 660g, 2 cm length
and 3.5cm HC!!) if she feels she is able to.

 

Thank you all again for being wonderful
people!

 

Cheers-  Isis

RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: previous fractured coccyx

[Sally]

Dear Liz,

From the
perspective of this woman understanding/trusting her body I would recommend ‘the
pink kit’. This is a great tool for self discovery. After working with
this I am really sure that she trust herself to take the instinctively ‘right
(rite)’ positions to birth her baby.

Love Sally

P.  S. Give Terry, Annie and Helen and kiss
and a hug from me if you see them.

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lynne Staff
Sent: Sunday, 17 August 2003 6:27
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:
previous fractured coccyx

 



Dear Liz





Last year I was midwife for the
second time to a woman who had previously fractured her coccyx prior to her
first birth. Her babe didn't come down despite her doing everything in her
power. Her coccyx broke as the baby was born (ventouse) - very painful for her
postnatally.





 





Her second birth was just amazing.
She was leaning forward in the tub - didn't look at me (face-hiding time!)
but said "the baby's stuck" When I asked her what she was feeling,
she told me the baby was stuck at the spines (her words), after the next
contraction. I suggested a couple of moves for the next few contractions, and
after three contractions she (still face hiding) said "here she
comes", and so she did!





 





Afterwards, she was talking to me
about the birth and she said where she was feeling the baby was being
'held up' was completely different feeling to the first time.





 





Hope this helps





Regards, Lynne







- Original Message - 





From: Liz Ekins 





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Sent: Saturday,
August 16, 2003 8:07 PM





Subject:
[ozmidwifery] Fw: previous fractured coccyx





 





 





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From: Liz Ekins 





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Sent: 07 August,
2003 9:57 PM





Subject: previous
fractured coccyx







 





Dear experienced people out there 





Does anyone have a story re labour
outcome for a woman with a previous fractured coccyx? My niece has a newly
pregnant friend who has been advised to have a cesarean anyway and needs to
hear of others' experiences. 





many thanks 





Liz.

RE: [ozmidwifery] I have typed up and pasted below an editorial comment in the August ANZJOG regarding breech birth. G

[Sally]

This is heartening from our new obs.

Sally

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maternity
Ward Mareeba Hospital
Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] I have typed up and pasted below an editorial
comment in the August ANZJOG regarding breech birth. G

I have typed up and pasted below an editorial comment in the August
ANZJOG regarding breech birth. Good comment from an obstetrician. What
we have all been saying for years. 
Cheers
Judy

Australian and New Zealand Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology 2003;
43: 261

Editorial comment


The current relentless drive for 'evidence-based care' in medicine has
aims which must be applauded. However, the consequences are not always
beneficial to all, with a clear tendency, at time, for the 'evidence' to
be applied inappropriately. 
Two manuscripts in this issue address the increasingly difficult
subject of breech presentation. 1, 2 The 'Term Breech' 3 study did show
that Caesarean section birth is associated with a higher likelihood of a
quality outcome for singleton term babies than vaginal breech birth. The
short-term maternal outcomes reported appeared to show that the
increased use of Caesarean section was not to the detriment of the
mothers. 
However, it did not examine longer term issues arising from
Caesarean section, such as puerperal depression after discharge from
hospital, future changes in fertility, and increasing morbidity and
mortality in subsequent pregnancies. Equally, it did not (and could not)
examine the consequences of the study being applied to other breech
situations, such as multiple birth and preterm breech birth, and the
effect upon the training and experience of obstetricians who will,
inevitably, be faced with clinical situations such as the unexpected
rapidly progressing vaginal breech birth and the woman who exercises her
autonomous right to make and informed decision to attempt a term vaginal
breech birth. 
Kaushik and Gudgeon 2 rightly remind us tat, if we are to follow
'the evidence' and advise all women with breech presentations that
Caesarean section is the preferred mode of delivery, we have a
responsibility to temper this advice with explanation of alternatives,
including external cephalic version where appropriate. By implication,
methods of training obstetricians in the techniques of vaginal breech
birth must be found, to replace the experiential model used in the past.


Michael HUMPHREY
MB BS, PhD, FRANZCOG, FRCOG
References

1 Phipps H, Roberts CL, Nassar N,  Raynes-Greenow CH,  Peat B,  Hutton
EK.  The management of breech pregnancies in Australia and New Zealand.
Aust NZ J Obstet Gynaecol. 2003; 43: 294-297.

2 Kaushik V, Gudgeon G.  Caesarean for breech: A paradigm shift?  Aust
NZ J Obstet Gynaecol. 2003; 43: 298-301.

3 Hannah ME, Hannah WJ, Hewson SA, Hodnett ED. Saigon S, Willan AR.
Planned caesarean section versus planned vaginal birth for breech at
term; a randomised multi-centre trial. Term Breech Trial Collaborative
Group. Lancet. 2000; 356: 1375-1383.







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RE: [ozmidwifery] questions regarding cs states.

[Sally]

Title: Message









I believe that
the C/S rate for community midwifery is around 12%

 

Love Sally

 

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questions regarding cs states.

 



Jo, re.
Netherland's stats... I obtained the most recent stats available for an article
I wrote for Natural Parenting and their rate has gone up from 9.8 per cent in
1998 to 12 per cent in 2000. These were obtained by the Netherland's
statistical bureau. This figure is still within the recommended limits set by
the World Health Organisation and is a far cry from the stats our own country
has. The WHO organisation website may contain information on Australia's
caesarean rate compared to other countries but further digging may be
required.





 





Cheers,





 





Cas.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Virus

[Sally]

Even with Norton Antivirus with continual updates I have just lost
everything with a Trojan horse virus. What a nightmare!!

Sally
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From: "Dierdre Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Virus


> As a computer tech, some virus's get past virus checkers, even if their up
> to date. The infectors are getting smarter and have the new software to
hide
> it in side another program and then it will unpackage it self. Try a few
> diference virus checker if your unsure,www.webattack.com has free
> software to try out. It wouldnt hurt.
>
> Dierdre bowman (husband)
>
> Francis
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[ozmidwifery] contact details

[Sally]

Could someone let me know how to get in touch with Nicky Leap &/or Pat
Brodie?

Thanks
Sally

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Re: [ozmidwifery] birth centres in Melbourne & suburbs

[sally]

Moorabbin birth centre is relocating back to Monash 
Medical Centre Clayton campus as of mid Jan of next year.
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Clare Lane 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:28 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth centres 
  in Melbourne & suburbs
  
  Hi Jayne
   
  To my knowledge the Mercy,the Women's, Moorrabin,the Angliss in ferntree Gully 
  and Geelong or Frankston have birth centres. Regards Clare Lane
  
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From: 
jayne 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:51 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] birth centres in 
Melbourne & suburbs

Is there a list of  birthcentres in 
Melbourne and suburbs?  Or could someone please let me know which ones 
they know are still open.
 
Thanks
 
Jayne
 
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] closure of Moorabin birth centre (Melbourne)

[sally]

In response to these postings.
 
I just want to let you know 
how difficult the midwives who work at Clayton are finding these 
changes.
 
We are working under considerable pressure and 
feeling frustrated and sad that women are now faced with such awful birth 
experiences. 
 
Many of the midwives from Moorabbin chose not to 
come to Clayton, a very sad indictment of how they feel about the 
system there. 
 
I know there is a great deal of anger withing the 
community, but please be aware that there are many midwives here that feel the 
same way as you.
 
Sally 

Re: [ozmidwifery] closure of Moorabin birth centre (Melbourne)

[sally]

great idea Andrea

Sally
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[ozmidwifery] waterbirth article

[sally]

Apparently there is a positive article on 
waterbirth in a British obstetric journal, does anyone know about this? If they 
do could you please send on details?
 
thanks 
 
Sally

Re: [ozmidwifery] midwife is a midwife...?

[sally]

Jo,
 
I totally agree with you! Working in a tertiary 
setting I know first hand that what you say is true, and unfortunately it is 
these 'ob nurses' that seem to have the loudest voice, so sabotaging any effort 
to create midwifery led care in any form. Which I find sad and 
frustrating.
 
I cringe with disbelief at some of the things I see 
and hear, but am mostly ignored by these people when confronted. I am thankful, 
however, that many of our managers and educators are fearless and persistant in 
their attemnpts to change things.
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 1:25 
PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwife is a 
  midwife...?
  
  I read this today and wanted to chat about this 
  without fear of being lynched! lol
   
  And given a birth I attended last week with the worst hospital midwife I 
  have ever met who was SO much less good than the obstetrician I am totally off 
  the idea of a midwife is a midwife
   
  I am totally off the idea of a midwife is a 
  midwife
   
   
  I would like to hazard a discussion that one of 
  the problems we encounter is that there ARE a proportion of midwives who do 
  not support what our definition of a midwives role/responsibility and so forth 
  and these midwives are firmly entrenched in the system...so when a woman 
  births in a hospital (as so many do) and go down the ob model (as so many do) 
  they encounter some of these midwives and leave the woman thinking the midwife 
  was "awful".  
   
  I know a that there are those wonderful woman 
  focused midwives who still work labour ward and so on, so I am not suggesting 
  they are all 'bad'; but would you say that the midwives who do fit our 
  definition are the ones who put their hands up for birth centre care and so 
  on, thus leaving the 'obstetric nurse type'  who are less supportive to 
  actively assisting the woman in any other way other than increasing the drip 
  or topping up the drugs.
   
  In a long winded, public holiday type way I am 
  saying that : there are a few people who would read a sticker like "I chose 
  carefully: I chose a midwife" and say "the midwife I had was a bitch! I would 
  never chose her!"  The public are almost blind to the fact midwives are 
  midwives not nurses, so to then extend that understanding to the two types of 
  midwives (which I call ob nurses -"yes doctor, no doctor type" and the with 
  woman midwife) is an ask.  
   
  Perhaps we need to suggest a system that does 
  define the midwife from the obstetric nurse??   I have heard from 
  practicing midwives that they are not supportive to things like case load or 
  community midwifery because "...don't want that type of responsibility" 
  (actual quote).  I have no idea of how this would be done and not 
  suggesting it would even work; but we must be aware when addressing the 
  general public we are aware that there is a difference between those midwives 
  who see women as someone to be empowered and those who see the woman 
  as someone to be rescued: but do the general public??
   
  "My Midwife empowered me to 
  birth beautifully!"
   
  (awaiting the hate mail! lol) 
  
  Jo 
Bainbridge

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

[sally]

My view is, whilst I don't condone illicit drug use, or in fact ANY
persisitant drug use, during pregnancy, surely we should be looking at why
these women succumb in the first place. Many women have been taking drugs
for a long time, many were sexually or physically abused as children, drugs
were the way out of the physical and emotional pain. Many women who take
drugs become pregnant through abuse and rape, and don't have the means to
procure legal abortion, thus creating a vicious circle. I have worked with
many women with a drug dependency, most of them have the strength to turn
their lives around because of the baby they are carrying. There will always
be those who, apparently, don't care.but do we really know why they
don't care. Do we ever find out? So before you all start tub thumping about
locking up or even charging drug dependent women, take a long hard look at
what they have probably gone through to be in the situation in the first
place.

Sally
- Original Message -
From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH


> > Maybe this could deter illegal drug use in pregnancy though...
>
> I agree that this is what they are trying to do, but it still seems
ironic,
> that a woman can choose to have her baby killed but a woman can't
> "accidentally" kill her baby by drug use.
> I know we all have differing views on abortion, but other people have got
to
> see the ridiculousness of this. I mean, abortion is a violent act
resulting
> in the death of a babysurely, that is equal to a drug addict
> causing the death of her newborn.
> I just find it hypocritical. Thousands of women choose to have their
babies
> killed and it's fine, sometimes the government pays for it to happen. Yet
> this woman who is a drug addict, "accidentally" causes the death of her
baby
> and she is facing life in prison??? I just don't think it makes sense.
> I think too, that there are heaps of other ways of deterring drug use eg
> support before, during and after pregnancy, better info etc etc.
>
> Love Abby
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: drug use in pregnancy

[sally]

Unfortunately drugs and violence are a fact of life, we see it every day on
the TV and in the papers, so it goes without saying that women and children
are affected. We need to give these women and children the best possible
care, to give them the best possible chance to help them change their lives.
Yes, it is very confronting, but as midwives being 'with women', are in the
best postion to provide this essential care.

We have a service specifically for drug and alcohol dependent women at the
hospital I work, and I have had the honour or working with the the two most
amazing and dedicated midwives who provide this service.

I have also worked as an Independent midwife.so I know what it is
like on both sides of the fence.The divide between the women accessing these
services is practically insurmountable  but equally so, so important.

Sally
- Original Message -
From: "Nicole Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: drug use in pregnancy


> Thank you Belinda - I too hope that she recieves the extra support you
> mentioned (and that it is actually available here!) - both ante and
> post-natally ...for both her AND her baby
> kindest regards,
> Nicole
> ps. I have dreams and aspirations of undertaking the direct entry Bach. of
> Midwifery at UTS when my 2 little ones are older (at least 4 years
> away)but would find this kind of thing VERY difficult ...(ie. drug use
> in pregnancy/violent homes)...
>
>
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> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:22 AM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: drug use in pregnancy
>
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Nicole,
> > I work at the Royal Women's Hospital in melb and we see a lot of women
> with
> > drug problems. They are asked in clinic if they smoke/drink or take
drugs
> > and they are usually very honest about this. We have a special clinic
that
> > look after young Mums and another especially for women with drug
problems.
> > They are given extra support and are followed up more thoroughly too.
> > I hope she sees the light now she is pregnant.
> > Take care Belinda.
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[ozmidwifery] Video

[sally]

Title: Let's Keep the Pressure Up



Could somebody please remind me of the name of the 
video by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone that was shown at the opening of the ACMI 
conference.
 
I would like to order a copy for the library at 
work. This is very exciting because I work in a tertiary hospital...things 
are looking up.
 
Sally
 
PS. Where do I order it from? 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Video

[sally]

Title: Let's Keep the Pressure Up



Could some one give me Vicki's email address as the 
birthfire website is currently parked!
 
My brain is failing me, i just can't remember the 
name of the new video!!
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:37 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Video
  
  There were two new videos that I haven't seen before, as well as the two 
  you mentioned Joy.  Maybe you need to contact Vicki or Nic...or maybe Lyn 
  Staff.  MM
  
I don't know which video was shown at the ACMI conference, 
but their 2 videos are "In Union" (showing lots of different birth pictures, 
each one merging into the next) and "In a Simple Way...A Child is 
Born".  I'm sure you could get them through Birth International or 
Capers or directly from Nic and Vicki.  Try www.birthfire.com
Joy
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] FFP

[sally]

My sentiments entirely, well said!

Sally
- Original Message -
From: "Miriam Hannay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FFP


> I believe all midwives and midwifery students should
> first ask themselves whether or not they want support
> from and association with any party that endorses a
> candidate who claims on national radio/print media/TV
> that all lesbians are witches and should be burnt at
> the stake. Maybe time to tread lightly, miriam
>
>  Marilyn Kleidon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Abby and Philippa and all:
> >
> > I looked at the FFP website this morning and
> > actually sent off an email via
> > their contact button. I kind of melded a few of the
> > letters that we were
> > sending to the politicians prior to the election. I
> > will paste it below. I
> > don't have the credentials to write a religious
> > letter so it has no such
> > content, purely secular. All the best.
> >
> > Dear Andrea:
> >
> >
> >
> > Since your party may now hold the balance of power
> > in the Australian Senate
> > I am writing to you to bring to your attention the
> > issue of Safe,
> > Sustainable Maternity Care and the National
> > Maternity Action Plan (NMAP).
> >
> >
> >
> > Re: Safe, Sustainable Maternity Care and the
> > National Maternity Action Plan
> > (NMAP).
> >
> >
> >
> > I write to you as a concerned mother, midwife, and
> > member of the Maternity
> > Coalition. I support the campaign for choice and
> > evidence based practice in
> > maternity care for all Australian women.
> >
> >
> >
> > Safe, affordable maternity care is of major
> > importance.  Childbirth is the
> > single most important reason for hospitalization in
> > Australia.  Australian
> > maternity care is out of step with available
> > evidence and the needs of
> > women.  In New Zealand, Canada, some states of the
> > USA, and the United
> > Kingdom, women are able to choose the care of a
> > midwife throughout their
> > pregnancy and birth.  In the 10 years since New
> > Zealand women were able to
> > choose, midwifery care increased from 14% to over
> > 70%.
> >
> >
> >
> > The relationship that is formed when midwives care
> > for women is well
> > documented. The World Health Organisation recognizes
> > the midwife as the most
> > 'appropriate' and 'cost effective' carer for healthy
> > women. I am aware that
> > 80-85% of Australian women are healthy and are best
> > cared for by midwives,
> > however, less than 1% of women can access continuous
> > midwifery care
> > throughout their pregnancy.
> >
> >
> >
> > Midwifery care has the potential to:
> >
> >
> >
> > ü   Re-open many maternity services that have
> > closed in recent years
> >
> > ü   Provide much needed support to GP's and
> > specialist Obstetricians and
> > enable them to provide services to those with
> > medical conditions, rather
> > than healthy women
> >
> > ü   Reduce Australia's over medicalisation of
> > childbirth (particularly
> > the unacceptable caesarean section rate of around
> > 30%) and in the process
> > save money.
> >
> > ü   Help address post-natal depression that has
> > been linked to surgical
> > birth
> >
> > ü   Through greater participation in healthcare
> > and a focus on wellness
> > promote self responsibility and address consumer
> > litigation issues
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I ask you to acknowledge the wealth of evidence that
> > proves the care of a
> > known midwife as the most appropriate and cost
> > effective maternity care for
> > the majority of women. I also ask that you pursue
> > this as an important issue
> > and support the establishment of commonwealth
> > funding for on-going community
> > midwifery programs in metropolitan, regional and
> > rural Australia to enhance
> > current maternity care and provide a sustainable
> > maternity services
> > framework.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Maternity Care: Choice and Equity for Australian
> > Women
> >
> >
> >
> > I write to support Maternity Coalition's campaign
> > seeking urgent assistance
> > 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals

[sally]

My Goodness!!! A PCA in labour, that's absolutely 
appalling.
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michelle Windsor 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:29 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals
  
  While on the subject of epidurals I read an article recently about a 
  study involving ewes which had epidurals during their labour.  They 
  wouldn't mother their young.  A new term I learnt this year while doing a 
  short contract in a private hospital was the "cold epidural" - the 
  epidural you have put in prior to the start of your induction!  Not sure 
  how common this is in other places.  Of course if there is any problem 
  getting the epidural in you can always have a PCA of morphine.  You can 
  imagine the results of that - one very "stoned" mother totally uninterested in 
  her narcotised baby.  Sad but true.
   
  Cheers 
  Michelle
   
   
  
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose

[sally]

I agree with you Nicole, however, I believe this topic was discussed on the
list not that long ago and became quite heated. This is a subject on which
some people have very strong views. I believe this is not the most
appropriate forum to discuss it, and before anyone gets hurt/offended again,
feel that we should not post anymore on the subject.
What do others think?

Sally
- Original Message -
From: "Nicole Cousins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right
to Choose


> I don't support abortion but I don't believe that I should be making that
> decision for other people.  I use to work in a unit were we did many
> terminations for many reasons and 80% were for fetal abnormality that was
> not compatable with life.  Do we force these women to go to term with
these
> babies because they are still living at the time of the termination.  I
> don't think women make these choices lightly.  I would hate to see womens
> lives lost because we stopped women from having safe terminations and they
> had to start to do there own back yard jobs.  Which would be worse?  The
> fetus may be a life but so is the woman, a choice has to be made.  I
worked
> with psyc patients who where cutting them selves up trying to get the baby
> out, what do we do with these women.  I wish the answer was as clear cut
as
> the baby has rights and its a life but there is more to it.
>
> Lets hope we don't become a society where we are forced to go through
things
> against our own wishes.  God help the woman who are rapped and falls
> pregnant, 9 months is a long time to be continually reminded of what you
> were put through.
>
> Just one other thing, who is going to care for all of these children,
these
> lives when the country can't cope with the ones it has now.  I wonder how
> many people would adopt extra children just so they could live.  And there
> is definatly not 12 babies needed for adoption, do we go back to
puting
> children in institutions again because there not wanted, how sad.  We
can't
> even house all of our aging population imagin if we add 12 children to
> that.
>
> Nicole
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's
Right
> to Choose
>
>
> > > and how dare anyone take that right away.
> > >
> > > Nicole
> >
> > How dare anyone take away the right to live. It is a life being
> > "terminated". If I was about to be killed because someone decided I
should
> > be, then I sure hope someone would speak out for me.
> >
> > Love Abby
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Glucose Challenge Testing

[sally]

The whole point of the glucose challenge is for it 
to be a random glucose sample. No fasting before hand, only nothing for the hour 
after the drink has been taken.
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Abby and Toby 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:21 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Glucose Challenge 
  Testing
  
  Hi,
   
  Couple of questions about this-
   
  1) Is this application normal or necessary, the 
  fasting for so long I mean - "My midwife wants me to have a glucose challenge test that involves 12 
  hours fasting then a blood test, drinking a sugary drink, 1hr later another 
  blood test, drinking another drink and then another hour later another blood 
  test."
   
  I have never 
  heard of someone having to fast for that long beforehand?? Seems like a 
  strange thing to ask a pregnant woman to do. Any insight would be 
  great.
   
  2) Does anyone have any info, links, research etc about the accuracy, 
  relevance/importance, evidence etc for the glucose test?
   
  Thanks in advance.
  Love Abby
   
  (P.S. Still working on the `evidence` about controlled crying, 
  nutrition etc)  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Glucose Challenge Testing

[sally]

PS a glucose challeng is differnet from the glucoes 
tolerance test
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Abby and Toby 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:21 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Glucose Challenge 
  Testing
  
  Hi,
   
  Couple of questions about this-
   
  1) Is this application normal or necessary, the 
  fasting for so long I mean - "My midwife wants me to have a glucose challenge test that involves 12 
  hours fasting then a blood test, drinking a sugary drink, 1hr later another 
  blood test, drinking another drink and then another hour later another blood 
  test."
   
  I have never 
  heard of someone having to fast for that long beforehand?? Seems like a 
  strange thing to ask a pregnant woman to do. Any insight would be 
  great.
   
  2) Does anyone have any info, links, research etc about the accuracy, 
  relevance/importance, evidence etc for the glucose test?
   
  Thanks in advance.
  Love Abby
   
  (P.S. Still working on the `evidence` about controlled crying, 
  nutrition etc)  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breast reduction

[sally]

We have had quite a few women on the ward that I 
work on that have had breast reductions. Whilst most have been keen to breast 
feed, many have not been all that successful, especially if they have had there 
nipples 'taken off' and replaced. Often the surgeons give these women un 
realistic expectations, saying that the surgery will not impede their ability to 
breast feed at all. Often, too, the woman's nipples are very sensitive making it 
very uncomfortable for the woman to breastfeed directly or to express. In most 
cases we have been as supportive as we can encouraging the woman to do what 
feels right for her, but at the same time not expecting the success of a woman 
who hasn't had a reduction.
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nicole 
  Carver 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:08 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breast 
  reduction
  
  Hi Barb,
   
  I think unfortunately this is a case of staff not 
  having enough knowledge or experience of working with women who are breast 
  feeding after breast surgery. Is there a lactation consultant at the hospital 
  where these women had their babies? Were they involved in the women's care? 
  
   
  As you seem to know, depending on the techniques 
  used in the surgery, women can often breast feed successfully after breast 
  reduction, although some do have to comp feed a little. The 
  management of the hospital concerned might be prepared to do an education 
  session for their staff. Perhaps the women could be assisted to contact the 
  Unit Manager to discuss the matter, which would help them feel at least this 
  would not happen to another woman, and the staff would benefit from some 
  education.
   
  Kind regards,
  Nicole Carver,
  IBCLC.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Barb 
Glare 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:44 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breast 
reduction

Hi,
 
does anyone have protocols at their place of 
work for working with mothers who have had breast reduction surgery and wish 
to breastfeed?
Some mothers have reported that the staff have 
had very negative opinions of the mother's ability to breastfeed after a 
breast reduction, and have been happy to share those opinions with the 
mother.  The mothers, whilst realising it may not be easy or possible 
to exclusively breastfeed are reporting that these opinions have left them 
feeling very discouraged, and have really knocked their confidence.  
They feel their attemps are not valued or appreciated.
Any 
suggestions?

Re: [ozmidwifery] midwives vs obstetricians

[sally]

Isn't it a shame that the birthing experience isn't 
the other way around? It should be how much experience in normal, non 
interventionist births should I have before working in a level 3 birth suite. 
Then at least midwives would have had the chance to see what unadulterated birth 
is all about!
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nicole Hmelnitsky 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:49 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwives vs 
  obstetricians
  
  
  I’m hoping to get some advice and 
  words of support from midwives working in Sydney metro area. I am a new grad 
  midwife of 6 months that is currently working on a postnatal ward and about to 
  rotate to the birthing unit (of a large tertiary referral hospital in the 
  south west Sydney area). My fear is the conflict I 
  have with obstetricians who love to make decisions on behalf of women without 
  any concern/respect/autonomy such as blanket decisions with comments like: “if 
  she is 5cm rupture her membranes” and “if not established put up the Synto” 
  etc etc or not allowing a primip to at least have a fair go at pushing before 
  the ventouse or forceps come out. I know that obstetricians have their place 
  but I am already feeling the stress thinking about trying to fight these Men 
  and their decisions. 
   
  It is true, the later a woman 
  presents to hospital, the better it is for her because there is less time to 
  intervene. 
   
  My question is this:- How much 
  birthing unit experience do I need before I am eligible to apply for a birth 
  centre or another lower risk delivery suite – and does anyone know of anything 
  coming up!
   
  Thanks 
  Nicole

Re: [ozmidwifery] caseload

[sally]

Title: Message



Congratulations,Dawn,
 
I'll see you there, have also just taken a postion 
as ANUM at Casey, will be leaving Monash at last!!
 
Sally

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dawn 
  Worgan 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:30 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] caseload
  
  Dear 
  Sally, I was in the caseload model at the Angliss in Victoria until it's 
  demise. I have dug out an old pay slip, after about a year of recording all 
  our hours the 5 of us were very similar on the number of weekends nights 
  etc, we negotiated an annualised salary of 54,178 we got paid Grade 3B 
  Assoc charge and our caseload was 6 women per month, we also had 8 weeks 
  annual leave,( 2 weeks of that were unofficial), we were on call unless we 
  chose to have time off for a special occasion or time out in which case one of 
  the others would take our calls. We carried phones and pagers which we paid 
  for but they did give us a few cents per km for petrol when we were doing home 
  visits, I hope this helps, let me know, I have just left the Angliss ( 
  actually yesterday) to take up a role as ANUM at the new Casey hospital and am 
  hoping to set up caseload or team there. Good luck Dawn 
  Worgan
  

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally 
WestburySent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:44 AMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] 
caseload

 
Another call for 
assistance.
 
Is anyone 
able/willing to share what salary they have negotiated for publicly funded, 
caseload midwifery. 
 
Also what caseload 
has been negotiated.
 
Sally 
Westbury
Homebirth 
Midwife
 
"It 
takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and 
sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman 
to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower 
her."    -Judy Slome Cohain
 

protest rally re insurance

[sally]

Hi all
SA is hosting the health ministers' conference on Wednesday. It will be
at the Stamford Plaza Hotel on North Terrace, opposite Parliament House.
A rally, advertised thanks to an article in the Sunday Mail, has been
organised for Friday at 12 noon outside Dean Brown's office , 11
Hindmarsh Square and this will go ahead, but we also need bodies at the
meeting on Wednesday.

It goes without saying that we need as many people as can possibly
manage to be  at both actions. I don't know yet what time the ministers
will be arriving at their meeting, will update when I find out.
Please disseminate this information far and wide.
This is our chance to seize the moment and push for birth reform!
ABC Radio National, Life Matters, also read my letter re affect of
insurance loss on women this am. Please phone talk-back radion about
this issue and get media interest up throughout the week. Media releases
will go out Wed and Fri mornings.

Yours in the revolution!
Sally Amazon
The Homebirth Network SA Inc


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rally

[sally]

NEW DETAILS for rallies protesting demise of women's birth rights:

Health  Ministers' Meeting:
Wednesday 1st August at Stamford Grand, GLENELG
(not city as previous message said).
Meet at 1pm.
The Democrats will issue a press release on Wed am and Sandra Kanck MLC
and Meg Lees Federal Health Spokesperson will be there to lend support.

Friday 3rd August at Department of Human Services Offices,
11 Hindmarsh Square, City .
Meet at 12noon.



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Re: protest rally re insurance

[sally]

Please note the change of venue and time for Wednesday's picket outside
Health Ministers' Meeting:
The rally in SA is NOT at the Stamford Plaza, city.
It's at the Stamford Grand Glenelg, at 1pm.

Corresponding rallies around the country may be better to coincide with
Friday's rally at 12noon in the city?
(Great idea by the way - get organising!)
regards,
Sally

Diane Gosden wrote:

> 31/7/01
> In regard to Sally's message (below) -
> What if we also did somthing similar in other cities and met outside
> Parliament House. I'm happy to be there tomorrow in Sydney at 12 noon in
> front of Parliament House in Macquarie St.
>
> Hi all
> SA is hosting the health ministers' conference on Wednesday. It will be
> at the Stamford Plaza Hotel on North Terrace, opposite Parliament House.
> A rally, advertised thanks to an article in the Sunday Mail, has been
> organised for Friday at 12 noon outside Dean Brown's office , 11
> Hindmarsh Square and this will go ahead, but we also need bodies at the
> meeting on Wednesday.
>
> It goes without saying that we need as many people as can possibly
> manage to be  at both actions. I don't know yet what time the ministers
> will be arriving at their meeting, will update when I find out.
> Please disseminate this information far and wide.
> This is our chance to seize the moment and push for birth reform!
> ABC Radio National, Life Matters, also read my letter re affect of
> insurance loss on women this am. Please phone talk-back radion about
> this issue and get media interest up throughout the week. Media releases
> will go out Wed and Fri mornings.
>
> Yours in the revolution!
> Sally Amazon
> The Homebirth Network SA Inc
>
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invitation to SA Minister for Health

[sally]

Sally Amazon
PO Box 93
Mylor   5153

Hon Dean Brown
Minister for Human Services
45 Pirie Street
Adelaide   5000

Tuesday 31st August 2001

Dear Minister

I am writing on behalf of a number of consumer and professional groups
in South Australia.

We wish to invite you to address a gathering of parents, midwives,
consumer groups, childbirth educators, children and all interested
citizens who believe in our community’s right to better birth choices.

Your response following the demise of professional indemnity insurance
for self employed community midwives in South Australia, was to say that
that ‘Midwives in private practice cannot really expect the Government
to cover them.’ (Sunday Mail July 29 2001) We feel you may misunderstand
this issue, which really has much deeper implications for the birthing
public and their families.

No, we don’t want you to arrange insurance for private midwives.  Women
of South Australia want guaranteed access to publicly funded, community
based maternity services provided by qualified midwives.  We want
continuity of carer throughout pregnancy, labour birth and the postnatal
period.  We believe these are basic rights.

The immediate consequence of the loss of insurance is to leave women who
have chosen to pay this cost and ensure one-on-one care with a midwife,
distressed and uncertain about the future at a time when they should be
rejoicing in their approaching motherhood.  Many women have called me
saying they had planned to become pregnant, but will now choose not to
if they will have to go to hospital and endure a medically-managed
birth.  Others fear entering a system where they will not know the
person who cares for them during labour.


Your government appears to be turning its back on all research and
recommendations from world respected bodies, which show that midwives
are the most appropriate birth attendant in the majority of cases.  I
know you have been given this same information over and over and have
access to the results of evidence-based research and various inquiries
which all point to the same thing.  New Zealand, Canada and the UK are
implementing maternity service provision to reflect this.  Australia’s
failure to do so suggests that women are receiving sub-standard
maternity services and that massive amounts of resources are being
squandered on forcing women into unnecessary obstetrically managed
care.  Even if you ignore the benefit to women, their families and to
the community, the economics of midwife-based care alone must surely
persuade you.

We will gather at the Department’s offices at 11 Hindmarsh Square on
Friday 3rd August at 12 noon.  We would appreciate it if you could join
the other speakers in addressing the various issues raised here and
informing us of your vision, as Health Minister, of the future of birth
rights in South Australia.

This is a wonderful opportunity for the South Australian Department of
Human Services to lead Australia in appropriate, innovative and
evidence-based maternity service reform.

I apologise for the short notice and look forward to your immediate
reply.

Yours sincerely,
Sally Amazon

For The Birth Network
Bringing together the Homebirth Network of SA Inc, Birth Matters, CARES
SA, AMALG, Transitions and all interested citizens who believe in our
community’s right to better birth

Contact details:
Ph  (08) 8388 5659
Mob  0411 962 548
Email  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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re comment

[sally]

Being new to this list, I am obviously under the mistaken impression
that it was a means of communication for anyone interested in midwifery
issues.
As a consumer (and therefore unable to join the ACMI) I feel that I
perhaps am being told that I am not qualified to raise for fight for
issues which affect me and all birthing women.
Is this really true??!

Sally Amazon

"Women and Midwives in Partnership"

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rally in adelaide

[sally]

Dear Ozmidders,

I am just home, stupendously knackered after the rally held outside the
Health Minister's office here in Adelaide.
Last night's media releases caused 4 radio stations to ring for
interviews this morning re the rally. During one of these, the
interveiwer declared that, surprise, surprise, Dean Brown Health
Minister has just called in, would, you like to discuss this with him?!
Needless to say, I did. However, I was at the time standing outside a
locked public toilet where I had been about to take my daughter to do a
wee, two other children in the car on the other side of the car park,
daughter finally having to pull down her pants and wee in the gutter...
Still, I think I managed to gat a few points across though I can't
remember everything about the conversation. He mentioned on the radio
that a task-force would be set up but that in the shorter term two
insurance companies were looking at taking over the insurance of
midwives Hopefully we'll hear tonight exactly what's planned.

Ch 10 Adelaide and ABC National news were at the rally. ABC are putting
the story together in Canberra apparantly so there should be national
coverage (unless of course something much more sensational happens in
the meantime...) Once we hear the official response from the Health
Minister, we'll plan our next move.

The rally itself was wonderful - everyone wearing purple, with purple
balloons and streamers, gorgeous babies and in the perfect spot for a
rally (thanks Dept of Human Services) - lawn, fountain and safe for
children. Mr Brown's secretary did send his apologies and wished us well
so we were officially acknowledged. This was a very successful rally -
it got our Health Minister on the back foot. He is having to justify
himself and to realise that we mean business.

On the revolution!

Sally Amazon

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jacob's daughter

[sally]

Dear Robin - my eight year old daughter is a big fan of the soundtrack
of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat (Andrew Lloyd Webber)
but always complained that someone who had so many sons must surely have
also had at least one daughter, yet nowhere in the whole musical was any
daughter mentioned. When I discovered The Red Tent, I was able to tell
my daughter Dinah's story, and what a story...
(Not so convinced they'd all love the sex so much tho'!)
Sally

Robin Moon wrote:

> Would someone be kind enough to tell me what 'The Red Tent' is all
> about? Thank you, Robin.

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RE: What should I do?

[Sally]

Hi Fran,

 

In my humble
opinion. 2 years in a centre that has a ‘normal’ focus is really
valuable. 2 years in a busy centre with an interventionist approach is
damaging. 

 

When I
started to work with my midwife/mentor the advice the other homebirth midwives
gave me was ‘the longer you stay in the system the more you have to
unlearn’. I believe that.

 

Funnily enough
my background was also ICU/CCU.  If you
are Fremantle direction give me a call!

 

In peace and joy

 

Sally Westbury

FW: Birthing under trees!

[Sally]

There is the dream. To birth under the trees. Birthing in ones own
power. Embraced by the beloved. Supported by the wise woman. The magical
things that happen when one birth in touch with nature.

I witnessed a woman birthing under the trees. The onset of intense
labour was heralded by an eagle flying low over us. When the baby was
about to enter the world a kangaroo came and scratched at the window and
witnessed the birth before he hopped away. Truly amazing.

I witnessed a woman birthing under the trees. In a tepee, down the
forest path away from the sleeping children. When the baby was about to
enter the world her 3 children woke and walked down the path to enter
the tepee to see their brother born. 

I witnessed a woman birthing under the trees. She knelt on her husbands
knees, facing him and birth their daughter into his hands.

Everyday miracles.

In peace and joy
Sally Westbury

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RE: language

[Sally]

Thanks Kerreen for this little reminder. 

In peace and joy
Sally Westbury

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RE: PI Insurance expires

[Sally]

Now I have been thinking with the government stepping in to assist the
doctors that perhaps there is a road to travel on. The road is one of
discrimination. That the government has quickly stepped in to assist the
medical profession while independent midwives' practices disintegrate.
For those with more political sense than I has this been explored? 

Sally Westbury

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RE: menstruation

[Sally]

Megan,

 

Who would be
more expert than you, a woman about menstruation???

 

In peace and
joy

 

Sally 

 

 

RE: question re menstruation

[Sally]

The info about pregnancy and breastfeeding reminds me of a lovely woman
I have helped with 2 homebirths. The first baby was born beautifully and
breastfed all was beautiful in their little world. No sign of return of
menstrual cycle. About 8 months after the first little fellows' arrival
I get a call saying. Will you help me with another birth I'm already 6
months pregnant. Her lack of period and general tiredness and weight she
all didn't give much thought to until her new little boy kicked her one
day. I think she could have fainted!!

She went on to have another beautiful baby boy only 10 months apart.

In peace and joy
Sally

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RE: re menstruation

[Sally]

Pinky,

 

I remember
that feeling. Of telling my man just to help yourself..
I had him laughing hysterically when I told him. Jump on and I’ll lay
here and moan. Then he just could stop laughing to be serious at all!!

 

In peace and
joy

Sally

RE: lactation/menstruation

[Sally]

I'm struggling with this theme of links between breast feeding and
weight. I am a large woman. I feel that there are more difficulties with
how society view large people than the health issues for many of us. I
am healthy and active. I don't eat excessively (not even in secret which
is what people think happens). 

I feel a little uncomfortable with the thought that something must have
gone wrong that some children are built like sticks and that is better
that the poor unfortunate child who is a 'big' girl.

This is not meant as a personal attack but it is an example of how
society as a whole view 'big' women. Poor unfortunate souls, who really
must yearn and crave to be like models. Think carefully about the
complex issues here. 

In peace and joy

Sally



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FW: RWH Bris Birth Centre Update

[Sally]

Funny that
was my immediate response as well. Don’t they know how to clean
properly??

 

Sally

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of megan davidson
Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2002 6:47
To: Debby M;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RWH Bris Birth Centre
Update

 



Congratulations Debbie,
on achieving the rare goal of negotiating your care (sucessfully) with a large
hospital. I am very pleased to see that it can be done.





 





There is just one thing,
however, that concerns me





 





"Pat indicated that
some of the patients who go to the labour suite have dubious cleanliness habits
and she would prefer I don't labour with ROM in those baths but the BC baths
are not used as often and the clientelle is different"





 





Don't they clean the baths
between clients? Who is to be considered as possesing "dubious cleanliness
habits"? I am sure that we have had clients in our birthing unit which may
have been seen as dubious, however that has never prevented them or any of our
other "clean" clients from using the bath. Surely the birthing center
should be using their bath more? What makes their clients so different?





 





Yours in "dubious
cleanliness"





Megan







- Original Message - 





From: Debby M 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Friday,
June 14, 2002 8:05 PM





Subject: RWH Bris
Birth Centre Update





 







Hi Lynn and the other ladies and gents on the board,

Well some interesting occurrences in my battle to
achieve a minimal to non intervention birth at Royal Women's Brisbane.

I received a letter from Stephen Ayres one of the
admin type OBs late last week that basically told me to go jump and there was
no way I could go to the Birth Centre.  That the policy review was a
generic one not a Birth Centre specific one and that was that.

Telling me out and out no is never a good idea - I'm
too stubborn to accept that - so via Kevin Forbes I sent the hospital back an
email that was a major dummy spit basically saying if they wouldn't compromise
with me then I wasn't going to compromise with them either and listing a whole
heap of standard protocols with which I would fail to provide any consent.

The next day I received a call from Pat Schneider
(head of nursing services at RWH), who some of you probably know, and we
arranged to meet this morning.  She indicated on the phone that she felt
she could offer me some good compromises and was apologetic that the issue had
taken so long to come to any sort of resolution.

So off I toddled to my ante natal visit with Anne Mc-T
(my doula) who some of you also probably know and we had a lovely chat with
Pat.  The compromises she has offered me were fantastic.  Although I
still cannot be admitted to the Birth Centre as a birth centre patient I am
getting basically a birth centre birth right next door (literally).  

Pat has arranged for one of the BC midwives to be my
midwife for the remainder of my pregnancy and for my delivery - so I get my
continuity of care.  She also offered to be on call herself in case there
were any issues.

The room they are going to try to save for me is the
one right next to the entrance to the BC so that my support team and I will
have full access to the BCs general facilities as would a BC patient.

I have full permission to rearrange the room how I
please (nesting big time) to make the environment as unclinical (read
unthreatening) as I need including putting the standard hospital bed away and
putting the bed mattress on the floor - dim lights, music, any personal items
the works. (This may seem odd but with my first VBAC I had a failure to
progress for about 6 hrs that started when I got to hospital and the only thing
I can put it to was being tensed up by the hospital clinical environment).

The midwife I have been assigned is trained in
supporting women in labour and also in water birth.  There is a bath in
the room I am being assigned which I can use anytime up to ROM, and if I still
wish to use water after ROM then I may be allowed to labour in one of the BC
baths for a while. (Pat indicated that some of the patients who go to the
labour suite have dubious cleanliness habits and she would prefer I don't
labour with ROM in those baths but the BC baths are not used as often and the
clientelle is different).

I will not be forced to have CTG at all but if it is
felt that it is needed at any point - ie. dubious doppler readings - it will be
discussed with me and any question of fetal distress will be confirmed with
fetal ph testing.

I also do not have to have a drip or a bung although I
have agreed to sign a disclaimer to this effect but that doesn't worry me as I
did the same thing with the OB who did my first VBAC.

I think Pat will be a breath of fresh air for the
hospital.  >From a few other things she told us she is very pro making
bot

RE: slogan for NMAP

[Sally]

Actually I
think that the babies are born, pizzas are delivered is not about midwives vs
doctors but rather about women’s power. 

 

Babies are
born by their mothers’ power vs babies are delivered by other peoples’
power. 

 

There is some
importance in the changing of language usage.

 

But I do
agree about it not becoming a doctor vs midwife issue.

 

So.. lets think media … will
the media pick up… Midwives and
Women Labouring Together for a Better Birthing Future  

 

 

I’m
doubtful…  

 

I sort of like  NMAP - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' 

 

Because it
gets the NMAP into the public mind and has that women’s focus and the
media will pick up on the push for birth reform theme I think.

 

But what about a visual icon to go with that???

 

In peace and
joy

 

Sally
Westbury.

 

 

Slogan

[Sally]

Hi Barb. 

I was thinking that if we came up with a slogan and postcard design that
it would be great to have this nationwide for the NMAP launch.

"NMAP - for a better birthing future"

In peace and joy

Sally

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slogan

[Sally]

NMAP –
Birthing the Future

SLOGAN

[Sally]

The ones that
I really like are.

 

STAND UP FOR
BIRTH REFORM

 

PUSH FOR
BIRTH REFORM

 

NMAP –A
BRIGHT FUTURE FOR BIRTH

 

Look who's labouring for a better future! –NMAP-

RE:

[Sally]

STAND UP FOR
BIRTH

 

RE: slogan

[Sally]

What about

 

Happier Birthdays?

 

Support
National Maternity Action Plan

RE: slogan

[Sally]

Want a
Happier Birthday?

 

Support the
National Maternity Action Plan

RE: slogan

[Sally]

For Many Happy Birthdays

 

Support the
National Maternity Action Plan

RE: Dr Karl's mythinformation

[Sally]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Dr Karl’s email from the ABC website

FW: slogan

[Sally]

RECLAIM YOUR BIRTHDAY

 

NATIONAL
MATERNITY ACTION PLAN

 

I think this
one rocks!!

 

In peace and
joy

Sally
Westbury

 

-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 23
 June 2002 12:07
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: slogan

 



I'm PLEASED TO SEE EVERYONE HAVING A
GO i LIKE THE WORD RECLAIMING so you creative people come up with
something 





 





ie NMAP RECLAIMING
BIRTH  

RE: Dr Karl's mythinformation

[Sally]

Any possibility of posting the article from Karl here so that
people from other states can see it. 

 

Thanks

 

Sally
Westbury

RE: NMAP Slogans to date!!

[Sally]

What about 

 

COME OUT

Naturally

NMAP

RE: NMAP Slogans to date!!

[Sally]

Actually I
fully expected that response to the come out slogan.. just keeping my mind
ticking over.

FW: insurance

[Sally]

 

 

Dearest Joy,

 

I can only imagine how it would be and the pain it would cause me
to stop being with women at their births: 
so my heart goes out to you.

 

In peace and joy

 

Sally Westbury

RE: slogan for NMAP

[Sally]

Sally’s
shortlist.

 

(Remember what
we are aiming to do is make a postcard.. with a strong visual image as well. So
that people will turn the postcard over in order to read some information about
NMAP)

 

Reclaim your
birthday with NMAP

 

Birth –
I did it Myself

 

Birth –
I did it with NMAP

 

Babies are
born – Pizzas are delivered.

 

NMAP for real
Birthday choices.

 

Push for
Birth Reform NMAP.

 

Push for
Birth with NMAP

 

Look who’s
Labouring for a Better Future - NMAP

 

Advance Australia -  Fair Birthing
Options – NMAP

 

Giving Birth
to a Bright Future – NMAP

 

 

So what do
you folks think..

 

In peace and joy

Sally
Westbury

FW: slogan

[Sally]

On Behalf Of Carroll Elizabeth
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:49
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: re: slogan


How about something like:  "Getting it right from the start?"


I like that... but I'm trying to steer away from right or wrong. Or
making any kind of implied promises... 

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RE: my story

[Sally]

The pink kit is found at 

http://www.commonknowledgetrust.com/index.htm

I would recommend it to all midwives and women.

Wintergreen is wonderful.

In peace and joy
Sally Westbury

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RE: my story

[Sally]

I agree with Macha. What does your pelvis have to do with the tear. 

I would really recommend you get a hold of the  'PINK KIT' which has the
most fantastic perineal massage in it. (not like the perineal massage I
have seen described in most books) I have see the most amazing results
from women who do this massage.

Leaves to say that I would recommend that you find your own midwife. I
would love to know why you are not birthing at home this time. What
about a midwife support in hospital?

Good borning.

Sally

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RE: ear infections

[Sally]

Macha

I have seen homeopathies work really well with ear infections.
Eliminating the need for grommets. Find a good homeopath and try it. 

In peace and joy

Sally

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RE: [ozmidwifery] looking for homebirth midwife

[Sally]

Hi Pauline. How’s
it going there. Life is good in WA. Keep up the good work

 

Love Sally

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: midwifery history

[Sally]

I have just been organising a collection of midwifery/obstetric books
which were donated to the Resource Centre (Fremantle). There are some
amazing books there but not for loan.. maybe you could visit us and read
for many many days the collection. If there are specific areas then I
could try to photocopy some things for you.

In peace and joy
Sally Westbury


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RE: [ozmidwifery] looking for midwife IN WA

[Sally]

Hi Jan,

 

The areas you
have mentioned are within the ‘zoning’ for WA mid program. So the
best thing she could do is to call the office on 08 93390021 or for more info. www.communitymidwifery.iinet.net.au

 

In peace and joy

Sally

RE: [ozmidwifery] Insurance

[Sally]

http://www.communitymidwifery.iinet.net.au/nmapcampaign/nmapindex.html

 

This link is
for NMAP

 

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Insurance

[Sally]

The only
exceptions to this are midwifes working with Community Midwifery Program (WA)
who hare covered through a contractual arrangement with the health department.

 

This is such
a huge issue and I hope that everyone will get behind the National Maternity
Action Plan. If we were able to get this happening the women will have no cost access
to a midwife as the primary care giver in the place of birth that suits the
woman. The professional indemnity insurance could be covered in a similar way
to here in WA and then we will really start to make change here in Australia!!

 

How active
are people being in understanding what the NMAP is all about? Promoting it to
clients, activists, colleagues? Lets
get behind NMAP and push!

 

In peace and joy

 

Sally
Westbury

RE: [ozmidwifery] Insurance

[Sally]

Denise the
slogan has been left for the state representative to make a decision upon when they
are formalised.

 

Denise my email.

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [ozmidwifery] water birth

[Sally]

That is
amazing Laraine!! I can’t wait to hear the long story!! 

 

In peace and joy

Sally 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery model of care in hospitals

[sally]

Not in Melbourne, but nearby in Geelong the Family Birthing Unit there
is a great midwifery led unit. Wonderful midwifery team, very empowering
and empowered midwives.

In peace and joy

Sally Westbury

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RE: [ozmidwifery] OP labours (long)

[sally]

I’m
with Jacki and Vicki.

 

It’s
not such a big deal given time, space and support. 

 

In peace and joy

 

Sally
Westbury

 

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] OPs , POPs and the need for CS.

[sally]

Just to be clear,

I certainly tell women what position their baby is in and give them
information to encourage their babies into a better postion but if the
baby won't be encouraged then it is a variation upon normal and many
many women have had normal vaginal births beginning labour in a
posterior position. Given time, space and support.

In peace and joy

Sally Westbury
Mother of 3 posteriorly positioned babies.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] OPs , POPs and the need for CS.

[sally]

Hi Lois,

I think the strongest indicator for something being 'not right' is the
woman saying it. One of our strengths in working closely with women,
developing trust is that the woman trusts us to tell us 'stuff' and we
trust and believe her. 

What an amazing journey.

I'm again in awe of the knowledge that comes through this list and the
open sharing of our different views and understanding to gain a wider
perspective of being with birthing women.

An aboriginal elder says

' Varied perspectives are the key to understanding,
Understanding is the key to harmony
Harmony is the key to Joy
Joy is the key to enlightenment"

But it all begins with being able to look from many varied perspectives.

In peace and joy

Sally

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RE: [ozmidwifery] story help

[sally]

I know of many women who have eaten placenta, as medicine, for postnatal
depression.

I usually cut the placenta up into bite sized morsels and freeze it so
the women can eat it if they feel they need to.

In peace and joy

Sally Westbury

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[ozmidwifery] Warrnambool

[sally]

Any homebirth action in Warrnambool? There is a woman looking for a
homebirth midwife in that area.

Sally Westbury

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Warrnambool

[sally]

I helped with a homebirth in Warrnambool late last year. My
friend/client contacted I the hope that I might know someone else who
would go to Warrnambool.
I will pass on the information to April and her friend.

Thanks Barb

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Warrnambool

[sally]

Barb, 

I'm in Fremantle now.. so it is a little bit far to come now!

In peace and joy

Sally Westbury

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: "The Doula Craze"

[Sally Westbury]

Well said Tina.

 

That continuity of care is the key. If we
as midwives are not able or willing to work in such a way then I see only a
growth in doula’s supporting women in birth. Then
midwives will loose jet another aspect of their work. So what will we do? We
won’t be providing the hands on holding, massaging supporting (the doula stands there and rightly so if she is the one who
knows the woman), we won’t be catching the baby (the obs
stands there), what will we be doing Keeping the paperwork in order?? Cleaning the rooms when the birth is over. (maybe a cleaner would be employed).

 

We need to become clearer about what we
really believe a midwife is and be willing to fight for it. At the moment I
feel like we are walking on the edge. We stand clear and become midwives. Or we
watch passive as our profession is splintered into nothing.  Thinking about the way that the Nurses
Board in Victoria has a clause that can deregister any midwife who works without
professional indemnity insurance I feel that the possibility of us loosing our
dreams of professional standing as midwives is close. So it is happening in Victoria. Who will stand against this tide. When
it has happened there who will be next? NSW? TAS, WA??
When will you decide to take action. When it is you??
And who will stand beside you and support you if you watch your sister being
destroyed. She won’t be able to!  Conversely we jump the other way support
each other, support what women want and we have NMAP. A clear road to birth
reform but it is only possible if midwive want this
and if birthing woman are given the power and information to demand it.

 

My rant for today.

 

Sally Westbury

 

 

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

[Sally Westbury]

“Doing the US vaginally
rather than abdominally just means you don't need to bother with a full bladder
I expect.”

 

I think we need to be careful about thinking this is a ‘just’
situation. Having something place in my vagina is an incredibly intimate and
private act. There is nothing just about it.. If you
would just take your pants off, I’ll just put this in your vagina. 

 

I guess this is just a slip of the keyboard, but if we are
not careful about the use of language and how that empowers and disempowers then who will. Huge power issues here.

 

There is an incredible powerlessness if this became routine.
I would rather have a full bladder than have a foreign object placed into my
vagina by a doctor. Even if the doctor was someone I respected and trusted. I
would still prefer not!

 

Sorry I’m ranting.

 

Sally Westbury

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls

[Sally Westbury]

Geelong Hospital have them in all their birthing suites.

 

Sally Westbury

[ozmidwifery] Our Bodies Our Babies

[Sally Westbury]

For a review of this book go to

 

http://www.mup.unimelb.edu.au/catalogue/0_522_84982_2.html

 

Really excellent read.

 

In peace and joy

 

Sally Westbury

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re:training of Ambo's

[Sally Westbury]

Conversly,

We had a woman arrive with bottom in the air, and a cord prolaspe
suspected.. really well managed. These ambo's saved that babies life.

Sally

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RE: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?

[Sally Westbury]

The ABA
response really is in line with all that Kerreen Reiger said in her book   Our Bodies, Our Babies  The Forgotten Women's Movement 

I highly recommend this book especially in light of the current
political climate. She write about how the ABA made decisions to remain apolitical. So
it is disappointing that they remain in the same place and will not support a
movement that is obviously pro-breastfeed!! Sheesh!!!
She also write about how the homebirth movement
deconstructed.

 

Really worth a read.

 

Sally Westbury

[ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria

[Sally Westbury]

Tina, or anyone else who know,

 

I’m curious to know how (or if) the
insurance issues for the Midwifery students has been
resolved.

 

 

I would also urge people to be careful
about naming any midwife in Victoria who may be attending homebirths. It is my understanding that the
Nurses Board of Victoria will deregister anyone who attends a homebirth with out
the professional indemnity insurance that we cannot get, if they are informed
of it. This information could come from any person. Say someone who doesn’t
like homebirths reads in the newspaper or on ozmidwifery that a midwife has
been publically thanked for her help, they ring the board and tell them.. the board can deregister them.

 

Sound like a witch hunt to me. I’m
glad I’m not there but am really worried who will be next. 

 

What action is happening in Victoria to discuss this with the Board at present? What help do you need
in Victoria?

 

Sally Westbury

Re: [ozmidwifery] horrified

[Sally Williams]

  This sounds awful!! I also work in a level 3 referral hospital and we 
  NEVER do any of these things!!
   
  Sally
   
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Monday, 09 
  September 2002 05:47:53 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
  horrified
   
  Dear All
  Having moved from a relatively large regional 
  hospital with ?midwifery care to a large city referral hospital, I  
  am becoming more and more amazed at interventions that some midwives see 
  as normal.  Women come to the postnatal ward following a forceps 
  delivery of their baby and our handover is given as a NVD.  No 
  mention of episi or forceps until you read the notes.  For some 
  bizarre reason, I don't think that there is anything normal about 
  forceps!!
   
  Further to this, the practice here is to 
  strongly recommend that babies receive a comp feed of formula via a bottle 
  if they haven't fed for 5 hours.  Apparently, the reason being that 
  babies need to feed at least this often!  At my other place of 
  employment these babies were monitored a bit more closely, never given a 
  bottle, and sure enough when these cherubs worked out what the breast was 
  all about they tended to feed quite often and well.
   
  Also, at this new place of employment I have 
  had numerous women ask me to put their baby to their breast for them like 
  the last midwife did.  I always let them know that they can't take 
  the midwife home with them and so they need to try themselves and that I 
  will be back in 5 minutes to see how they are going.  Low and behold 
  5 minutes later mum has baby to the breast suckling beautifully.  
  When I told an experienced midwife how I go about this she said "don't 
  they complain that you are not helping them".  Well not to my 
  knowledge, but who knows.
  Why do we need to further deplete our women's 
  confidence with offering bottles and putting babies to breasts for 
  them.  Isn't their confidence shattered enough after their babes are 
  delivered!!! in clinical controlled environments.  
   
  Finally, why are midwives their own worst 
  enemy!  I am astounded by the amount of midwives that go to private 
  obs, and recommend that their daughters do the same.  How can we 
  educate women to use midwifery centred care when many midwives don't 
  believe in it themselves.
   
  Love this list because it helps me feel a 
  little less lonely in my beliefs. I keep battling on and learning as much 
  as I can from women.
  newly graduated Midwife
  Sonia
   


















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RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech

[Sally Westbury]

I hope that she is advised to sue. This is
gross negligence.

 

Sally Westbury

RE: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

[Sally Westbury]

My routine practice is not to weigh babies at birth. I do this for many
reasons but primarily to slow things down for the newly born soul. I
weigh the next day or so. 

I also advise the families not to dress the baby but just a nappy and
baby wraps for the same reason. This means that in the first day there
is a lot of skin to skin contact (whenever breast feeding). It is really
beautiful.

Sally Westbury

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FW: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births???

[Sally Westbury]

At
home.

 

Sally Westbury

 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002
7:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Where are
the 'natural' births???

 

Dear All,
A bunch of us direct entry midwives from Flinders Uni in South Oz have been
following women through their pregnancies.  We have been taught all about
'natural' birth but most of us are yet to see one.  We can't believe the
amount of interventions that happen (and we are only allowed to go to public
hospitals at the moment!!)  I shudder to think what it will be like in the
private sector.  Where are all of these non-interventionist births
happening??   Some of us have seen some horrific, sometimes avoidable
things happening to women.   We can't wait until we graduate and can
have a say in what goes on.  Keep up the fight

Johanna

FW: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria

[Sally Westbury]

I’m astounded by the silence on this
issue… 

 

-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Sally Westbury
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2002 2:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery
in Victoria

 

Tina, or anyone else who know,

 

I’m curious to know how (or if) the
insurance issues for the Midwifery students has been resolved.

 

 

I would also urge people to be careful
about naming any midwife in Victoria who may be attending homebirths. It is my understanding that the
Nurses Board of Victoria will deregister anyone who attends a homebirth with
out the professional indemnity insurance that we cannot get, if they are
informed of it. This information could come from any person. Say someone who
doesn’t like homebirths reads in the newspaper or on ozmidwifery that a
midwife has been publically thanked for her help, they ring the board and tell
them.. the board can deregister them.

 

Sound like a witch hunt to me. I’m
glad I’m not there but am really worried who will be next. 

 

What action is happening in Victoria to discuss this with the Board at present? What help do you need
in Victoria?

 

Sally Westbury

FW: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria

[Sally Westbury]

They gave themselves this right by adding
a clause last year.

 

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Behalf Of Jayne
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 5:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
Midwifery in Victoria

 



I'd really like to know what is officially going on. 
Does anybody really know?





 





And if it is true that the Vic Nurse's Board can deregister
a midwife attending a homebirth in Victoria
without  PI insurance, who gives them this right?





 





Jayne





 





 







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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:19 PM





Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
Midwifery in Victoria





 





Sally the vic borad of nursing has never publically
suggested in any shape or form that independant mws have a problem when and if
they do we can act Is this niave?





Where does your information come from ?





 jan







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From: Sally
Westbury 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:03 AM





Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery]
Midwifery in Victoria





 



I’m astounded by the silence on this
issue… 

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Sally Westbury
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2002 2:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery
in Victoria

 

Tina, or anyone else who know,

 

I’m curious to know how (or if) the
insurance issues for the Midwifery students has been resolved.

 

 

I would also urge people to be careful
about naming any midwife in Victoria who may be attending homebirths. It is my understanding that the
Nurses Board of Victoria will deregister anyone who attends a homebirth with
out the professional indemnity insurance that we cannot get, if they are
informed of it. This information could come from any person. Say someone who
doesn’t like homebirths reads in the newspaper or on ozmidwifery that a
midwife has been publically thanked for her help, they ring the board and tell
them.. the board can deregister them.

 

Sound like a witch hunt to me. I’m
glad I’m not there but am really worried who will be next. 

 

What action is happening in Victoria to discuss this with the Board at present? What help do you need
in Victoria?

 

Sally Westbury

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[Sally Westbury]

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