Well said, Sue. There are 2 sides to the face of the choice coin...we may not agree with some women's choices, but if they are adamant and they have been given all the pros and cons then, really, who are we to dictate to them about what they choose?
 
Sally
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Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

Choice is an interesting concept: if we truly support choice then surely even 'bad' choices should be respected?  One of our obs has joked about having a sign made for the ANC saying 'please do not ask for an induction as a refusal often offends' because the request comes so often.
However, the other obs will often agree to a woman's request without too much argument.  I have seen instances where the Ob has told the woman - you are not ready to birth, there is no reason to induce and if we try you will have a lengthy and horrible labour.  The reply was "I DONT CARE- I WANT TO BE INDUCED" How can the ob refuse in this instance?  The reverse is not true - if a woman reaches T+10 she is booked for IOL - there is little 'choice' within our policy for anyone who wishes to wait longer - despite the evidence or the individual circumstances.   Occasionally requests for 'social' induction can be for very valid personal reasons and such instances should also be respected.
 I have discussed with some of our obs the mentality of agreeing to elective C/S for no other reason than maternal request, given that we are a public hospital - should we be wasting taxpayers money on non-essential surgery etc etc.  Again the question of choice. If a woman demands an elective C/S despite discussion of the pros and cons, the usual route is to go with her wishes - presumably for fear of litigation if the birth does not go well.  I did challenge one ob who agreed without hesitation to a woman's request for repeat C/S and asked him what his attitude would have been if she had asked for VBAC - did not get much in the way of response!
Not saying that I agree with this you understand but it does cause some tricky moral dilemmas.
I feel the key issue is one of respect and honest discussion - ah but that is all too often missing within the medical model of care. That and education - women don't know that they have choices to challenge the usual practice of whoever their care provider happens to be, sadly those who do challenge are often seen as 'troublesome radicals' if their challenge is against 'routine' interventions. (Of course they are not seen the same way if their challenge is to request unecessary interventions! :-))
Sue
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From: Emily
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

hi all
i have just finished the 'obstetrics' term of my course and over the 9 weeks i repetitively brought up my disgust with the use of CTGs against all the very high quality evidence that is out there against them, that noone refutes they just ignore. the wonderful obstetrician who was my supervisor (only one ive ever met that i like) agreed and said it is only collective inertia and fear that has led to everyone still using it. the fact that it has sneakily become the best practice standard. in the big cochrane review on the subject the only benefit seen was a reduction in neonatal seizures seen in the CTG group. this was used as evidence that it may reduce the incidence of cerebral palsy in this group also. actually, there was follow up studies done on all the studies included in the review some years later and it actually showed no difference in cerebral palsy rates in most studies. one study amazingly actually showed a higher rate of cerebral palsy in the CTG group !! this has been conveniently forgotten. CTGs are still sold to women as being a safety net to prevent cerebral palsy despite the fact that there is absolutely no evidence whatesoever of this being the case
all that remains to be the benefit of CTGs is for care providers. it makes many people feel safe to have a neat little print off documenting what has been happening. the other thing is that apparently in the court system, parents can only be 'compensated' if a no fault verdict is made and that requires a CTG.
anyway i wrote a huge article about this titled 'the irony of obstetric risk analysis'  and handed it in with my end of term work. i am waiting with bated breath to hear the feedback and whether i will fail for being so blatently anti-obstetrics to my obstetric supervisors!!! but i figured theres less harm saying it all now, on my way out :)
the reason im writing this is that the (good) obstetrician wants me to put together my views on social inductions and social elective caesars and how we should respond to women who sometimes demand these things and whether it is ethical to refuse. im really struggling with it because if we all always say inform and then follow the mothers wishes, what right do we have to refuse this? it is often for what i see as ridiculous reasons (ie the woman recently who demanded an induction so she wouldnt birth on 6/6/06 and threatened to kill herself if we didnt) but who am i to judge women's choices like others judge non-interventionalist choices?
id love to know everyones thoughts on this one
love emily


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