Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Good Morning Midwives For those wondering, Selangor's address is 62 Netherton St, Nambour, QLD, 4560. Telephone 07 5450 4359. Our new Maternity Unit Manager, Sue Foyle (wonderful woman), has recently commenced work there, and we are verry happy to have her skills and expertise to take us to the next level (1000 births per annum and increasing). The maternity unit is being extended - building work is taking place now. Regards, Lynne PS Warm water immersion reference lists will be sent to those who have requested them. Still working with corporate on making the waterbirth learning package available too. - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Or perhaps the Sunshine Coast? Gail McKenzie wrote: Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Selangor is located at Nambour on the sunshine coast in QLD :) It IS a great place! :) - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Thank you so much. I live at the Gold Coast. I'll pay a visit. :) From: Dan Rachael Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:49:42 +1000 Selangor is located at Nambour on the sunshine coast in QLD :) It IS a great place! :) - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Me too please thankyou sharon _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Friday, 12 January 2007 7:16 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Good Morning all To all those Ozmidders who requested a copy of the Warm Water Immersion workbook, pleasewatch this space. It is copyrighted by Ramsay Healthcare (Selangor's owners). I put your requests to the DOH and she is conferring with RHC re this. Watch this space! And thank youall for your interest. If anyone is interested, I can forward the reference list though. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Lynne Staff To: HYPERLINK mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Helen and Graham To: HYPERLINK mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Lynne Staff To: HYPERLINK mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: HYPERLINK mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can’t remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. HYPERLINK http://www.eset.comhttp://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 12/01/2007 2:04 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 12/01/2007 2:04 PM
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Good Morning all To all those Ozmidders who requested a copy of the Warm Water Immersion workbook, pleasewatch this space. It is copyrighted by Ramsay Healthcare (Selangor's owners). I put your requests to the DOH and she is conferring with RHC re this. Watch this space! And thank youall for your interest. If anyone is interested, I can forward the reference list though. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
hi lynne i would love a copy of the reference list please [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Me too please [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIA Wendy - Original Message - From: nicole and gareth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth hi lynne i would love a copy of the reference list please [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Waterbirth guidelines and references
Hi, I know lots of you are interested in developing policies for implementing water birth into your units. These are the guidelines used in the UK - might be a useful starting point for your deliberations: http://www.acegraphics.com.au/product/book/bk887.html Andrea -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Lynne, May I have a copy to thanks, Megan - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Hi lynne could I have a copy also Chris meg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lynne, May I have a copy to thanks, Megan - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Dear Sue Ah! Wipe that smirk off your face!!! My big plan does not involve me being pregnant!!! Many congrats on finishing the Bmid, after 23 years of an apprenticeship eh!! JC xx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Lynne, could you please send me one too? Thanks Sue [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
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Pardon my ignorance, but where is Selangor? I too would be interested in published outcomes Luv, Gail _ Advertisement: Mobiles, computers, handsets, iPODs and more! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etradingpost%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsearch%2Fcat%5FPhones%5Fns%5FTrue%5Foff%5F0%5Fsect%5FAutomotive%5Fsort%5FotRZSQ1BJDZfdRZSQSearchDisplayPriorityIndAVSCotRZSQ1BJDZfdRZSQFirstPublished%5Fsqt%5F2%5Fsrch%5Fmobile%2Bphones%5Fsrchtype%5Fint%5Fstate%5F9%5Fstpg%5F1%5Fsubs%5FUsed%2BCars%5F%3Freferrer%3Dplacement13_t=759568604_r=Email_Tagline1_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Lynne, Would you be willing to send me a copy of your learning package? Sally - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 31/12/2006 12:47 PM
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Lynn Could I be bold and ask for a copy of your learning package too? It is still early days yet but starting to write policy allowing women to labour and birth in water at Wangaratta. TIA Wendy - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 12/31/2006
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Hi Lynne and all Me too please!! The Upper Hunter of NSW is one hell of a back water for birthing. Water immersion? Is that Greek? A couple of wonderful midwives still hanging on need to write a policy here too. Great to share what¹s already been successful . Happy New Year to all. I have a very big dream for 2007 that I will share soon JC Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au
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Hi Lynne Thanks heaps for that - sounds like I timed that request pretty well! Look forward to reading the published results... And a happy New Year to you too. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Helen When I get to work tomorrow, I will send you the reference list from my recently updated (Oct 2006) warm water immersion in labour and birth learning package for midwives. This may be helpful - re publishing our figures - this is a goal for 2007! Warm regards, and a happy and fruitful 2007! - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 1950 (20061231) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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TRIPLETS THIS TIME JUSTINE??? smirking, Sue Hi Lynne and all Me too please!! The Upper Hunter of NSW is one hell of a back water for birthing. Water immersion? Is that Greek? A couple of wonderful midwives still hanging on need to write a policy here too. Great to share what’s already been successful . Happy New Year to all. I have a very big dream for 2007 that I will share soon JC / /Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au __ NOD32 1.1454 (20060321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hello Sue, I hope that your bathrooms also have a ventilation unit and scavenger units for the N2O2 - this is dangerous stuff to use in unventilated areas - see this for more info: http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/andrea27.html More to the point - while I know that it is common in the UK for almost every woman (in the bath or even giving birth at home) to use nitrous oxide, I always question its use, especially when water and baths are freely available as a safer alternative. The provision of this gas sends a powerful message that not even warm water will ease the pain and that a little something may/will also be needed. When will we (midwives, supporters) stop sending these messages that encourage dependence on drugs for labouring women? Regards Andrea At 11:17 PM 26/12/2006, you wrote: Just a fairly good size ordinary bath Mary, but quite deep, not what we would have chosen had we midwives been allowed to have any input into the upgrades. The new renovations are good on the whole - all our birth rooms now have a good size en-suite shower and toilet, and the bathroom (when we can use it) has piped N2O2. The ward bathrooms are new also and a great improvement on the old ones! Happy New year to all Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, what sort of bath is it? A proper one with good depth and width or a larger ordinary bath? MM -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 11:56 PM To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Amy Yes, that's the place. The policy is written, now apparently awaiting executive approval, then no doubt they'll find another reason to prevent us using the bath. Watch this space!! I'm tempted to wrap the door up in red tape as that is what seems to be happening. sigh Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]adamnamy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, Can I ask, do you work at Swans? I saw in the local paper that they have upgraded the facilities and have installed and new bath. It would be a bit mean (not to mention misleading) to market it and then tell women they can't use it. Amy -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I agree Andrea and confess I was a little surprised to see the N2O2 in place as I also thought that water immersion was preferable and an option to medication. Yes, there is a scavenger (I think!!) As we are still not allowed to use the bath all this is yet to be tried out. Thanks for the info Sue - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hello Sue, I hope that your bathrooms also have a ventilation unit and scavenger units for the N2O2 - this is dangerous stuff to use in unventilated areas - see this for more info: http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/andrea27.html More to the point - while I know that it is common in the UK for almost every woman (in the bath or even giving birth at home) to use nitrous oxide, I always question its use, especially when water and baths are freely available as a safer alternative. The provision of this gas sends a powerful message that not even warm water will ease the pain and that a little something may/will also be needed. When will we (midwives, supporters) stop sending these messages that encourage dependence on drugs for labouring women? Regards Andrea At 11:17 PM 26/12/2006, you wrote: Just a fairly good size ordinary bath Mary, but quite deep, not what we would have chosen had we midwives been allowed to have any input into the upgrades. The new renovations are good on the whole - all our birth rooms now have a good size en-suite shower and toilet, and the bathroom (when we can use it) has piped N2O2. The ward bathrooms are new also and a great improvement on the old ones! Happy New year to all Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, what sort of bath is it? A proper one with good depth and width or a larger ordinary bath? MM -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 11:56 PM To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Amy Yes, that's the place. The policy is written, now apparently awaiting executive approval, then no doubt they'll find another reason to prevent us using the bath. Watch this space!! I'm tempted to wrap the door up in red tape as that is what seems to be happening. sigh Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]adamnamy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, Can I ask, do you work at Swans? I saw in the local paper that they have upgraded the facilities and have installed and new bath. It would be a bit mean (not to mention misleading) to market it and then tell women they can't use it. Amy -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version
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Just a fairly good size ordinary bath Mary, but quite deep, not what we would have chosen had we midwives been allowed to have any input into the upgrades. The new renovations are good on the whole - all our birth rooms now have a good size en-suite shower and toilet, and the bathroom (when we can use it) has piped N2O2. The ward bathrooms are new also and a great improvement on the old ones! Happy New year to all Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, what sort of bath is it? A proper one with good depth and width or a larger ordinary bath? MM -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 11:56 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Amy Yes, that's the place. The policy is written, now apparently awaiting executive approval, then no doubt they'll find another reason to prevent us using the bath. Watch this space!! I'm tempted to wrap the door up in red tape as that is what seems to be happening. sigh Sue - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, Can I ask, do you work at Swans? I saw in the local paper that they have upgraded the facilities and have installed and new bath. It would be a bit mean (not to mention misleading) to market it and then tell women they can't use it. Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
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Hi Amy Yes, that's the place. The policy is written, now apparently awaiting executive approval, then no doubt they'll find another reason to prevent us using the bath. Watch this space!! I'm tempted to wrap the door up in red tape as that is what seems to be happening. sigh Sue - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, Can I ask, do you work at Swans? I saw in the local paper that they have upgraded the facilities and have installed and new bath. It would be a bit mean (not to mention misleading) to market it and then tell women they can't use it. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
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Sue, what sort of bath is it? A proper one with good depth and width or a larger ordinary bath? MM _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 11:56 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Amy Yes, that's the place. The policy is written, now apparently awaiting executive approval, then no doubt they'll find another reason to prevent us using the bath. Watch this space!! I'm tempted to wrap the door up in red tape as that is what seems to be happening. sigh Sue - Original Message - From: adamnamy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, Can I ask, do you work at Swans? I saw in the local paper that they have upgraded the facilities and have installed and new bath. It would be a bit mean (not to mention misleading) to market it and then tell women they can't use it. Amy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M _ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM _ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
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Hello All, Late to the conversation, the palace of possibilities has been busy! We have lovely big baths at Belmont and many women choose to stay in them to give birth, some who never wanted a 'waterbirth' and many who did/do. What is very interesting is that the midwives who work at Belmont (a wonderful group of women) in moving from fragmented to relationship based midwifery care, have all fallen in love with birth physiology and leave it alone, supporting the whole woman and her process and so many of the women also have physiological third stages with all the attendant benefits that brings mothers and babies. love, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
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Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM
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Hi Women's and Childrens hospital in Adelaide offer waterbirth.. Just in the process of upskilling all staff, they have created a education package for staff ect. There's some info on the SA PPG's http://www.health.sa.gov.au/ppg/Default.aspx?tabid=189 Thanks Fiona --- Julie Garratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mary, Mt Barker hospital in the Adelaide hills do waterbirth. Most of the Midwives are ok to do them but there is still a few who aren't comfy with the idea. We have about 400 births annually, a six bed ward and one corner bath in a separate bathroom. Women are given the labour and birth in water guideline brochure antenataly and if we get the chance, we get them to google waterbirth and do a bit of research before they come in. Nice to see that quite a few of the smaller units have been mentioned, Cheers, Julie:) I - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Wch in Adelaide do have a waterbirth policy and are offering waterbirth provided the midwife is accredited and is competent to facilitate the water birth. The protocol can be accessed under the perinatal protocols south Australia, cheers sharon _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 1:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can’t remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM
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Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
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Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
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Sue, Can I ask, do you work at Swans? I saw in the local paper that they have upgraded the facilities and have installed and new bath. It would be a bit mean (not to mention misleading) to market it and then tell women they can't use it. Amy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M _ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
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What about John Flynn - they even have a DVD out which I purchased. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
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My daughter had a beautiful waterbirth at Monash medical centre - my son and partner are expecting and have been told no waterbirths' at RWH in Melbourne - why??? Pinky - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Wch in Adelaide do have a waterbirth policy and are offering waterbirth provided the midwife is accredited and is competent to facilitate the water birth. The protocol can be accessed under the perinatal protocols south Australia, cheers sharon -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 1:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can’t remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM
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The Gold Coast Hospital Birth Centre in Southport Queensland also do waterbirth. Regards, Anne Clarke
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Sue, I asked the 'powers to be' again as to why we can't use the bath. The response was that it is very dangerous What a uphill battle everything always is!! I also asked why we then don't have a policy on how to have a shower in labour. The response was walking off in a huff! Melissa P.S We only got the bath because we wrote a letter to Jim McGinty, which we got in trouble for, and interestingly enough when he came for a tour of the ward renovations last week the sign on the door which says do not use until further notice was gone. I also asked about this. Maybe Mr McGinty needs to know that the bath that he instructed to be installed is still not in use! - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
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Is there any chance of a complete list being collated? Consumers would find that very useful : ) J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
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Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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I've just gotta say that I'm gobsmacked at the number of hospitals/birth centres that are actually offering waterbirths as a real option! That's great! I don't get to hear much positive stuff about hospitals and birth these days. Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Is there any chance of a complete list being collated? Consumers would find that very useful : ) J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM
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I'm guessing Royal Womens Hospital, Randwick Sydney... From: "Mary Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirthDate: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:50:08 +0900 Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I cant remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MMAdvertisement: Meet Sexy Singles Today @ Lavalife - Click here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Dear Mary, Yes, the Birth Centre at the Royal in Brisbane officially do waterbirth. Regard, Anne Clarke - Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM
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Hi Mary, In northern NSW/southern Qld two centres offer waterbirths: Mullumbimby Hospital which is a small unit for low risk women, about 130 births/annum John Flynn Private Hospital in Cooloangatta Qld offer water births, don't know numbers also just read that Coffs Harbour Health Campus do waterbirths, 850 births/annum Sue Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can’t remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1.1454 (20060321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Also the Birth Centre at King Edwards in Perth can 'unofficially' do them - if you get the right MW with you ;-) From: "Kristin Beckedahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirthDate: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:46:26 +0800 I'm guessing Royal Womens Hospital, Randwick Sydney... From: "Mary Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirthDate: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:50:08 +0900 Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I cant remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM Advertisement: Meet Sexy Singles Today @ Lavalife - Click here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. 50% off all leading brand cosmetics and free delivery at Strawberrynet ... click here to find out more -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Wyong does Di - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1932 (20061220) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Hi Mary, Mt Barker hospital in the Adelaide hills do waterbirth. Most of the Midwives are ok to do them but there is still a few who aren't comfy with the idea. We have about 400 births annually, a six bed ward and one corner bath in a separate bathroom. Women are given the labour and birth in water guideline brochure antenataly and if we get the chance, we get them to google waterbirth and do a bit of research before they come in. Nice to see that quite a few of the smaller units have been mentioned, Cheers, Julie:) I - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Yes Mary, Rosebud Campus (Peninsula Health Network) Casey Hospital (Southern Health Network) officially 'do' waterbirths ie have a formalised P P regarding them. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM
[ozmidwifery] Waterbirth in Melb SW Suburbs
Sorry if this has double posted but my emails have been playing up. Have a really keen woman wanting a waterbirth in a birth centre or hospital Can anyone tell me of any hospitals in the SW suburbs of Melbourne that allow waterbirths? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth in Melb SW Suburbs
Monash Medical centre birth centre - just ask Pinky, whose daughter had a fab waterbirth Barb - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth in Melb SW Suburbs Sorry if this has double posted but my emails have been playing up. Have a really keen woman wanting a waterbirth in a birth centre or hospital Can anyone tell me of any hospitals in the SW suburbs of Melbourne that allow waterbirths? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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Ive supported a beautiful waterbirth there too - but unfortunately its too far for this woman to travel. L Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2006 11:42 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth in Melb SW Suburbs Monash Medical centre birth centre - just ask Pinky, whose daughter had a fab waterbirth Barb - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth in Melb SW Suburbs Sorry if this has double posted but my emails have been playing up. Have a really keen woman wanting a waterbirth in a birth centre or hospital Can anyone tell me of any hospitals in the SW suburbs of Melbourne that allow waterbirths? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
[ozmidwifery] Waterbirth in Melb SW Suburbs
Can anyone tell me of any hospitals in the SW suburbs of Melbourne that allow waterbirths? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth at birth centre
Speaking of birth centres, my daughter is booked to have her baby at monashBirth centre, Melboune, late April (first grandchild!! Shes asked me to be there -Im excited!) - she would love awaterbirth but there is only one pool - any suggestions? How busy is the centre? Is it worth hirng a pool? will midwives give preference if she makes it clear she really wants to labour in water/ waterbirth? ie in comparison to somebody else who may not mind/ isnt assertive? Pinky
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Hi Sharon, Yes, we will do a workshop in Adelaide on: "Waterbirths minus the Mystery", a 'how to' for you ! I'm happy to respond, this is my area of speciality.I assume you aren't just after general knowledge as there is plenty of that available by googling on the net. You are in Adelaide if you'd like to get together a group of students or colleagues I could run a workshop for you on waterbirth. Perhaps if you do some homework re nice venues (ie roomy good energy) get an idea of numbers of your colleagues/peers interested ( 8 - 10 minimum) we could then fix a definite date. Some suggestions: Community house, approach local hospital, local clinic, your own or a friendshome, you just need a roomy lounge. They aregood fun we do a lot of hands on role play which is a great very effective way to learn . We do tend to remember things we've seen acted out as well as retain the info. Plus it gives you a chance to trouble-shoot regarding your particular situation. Also we find it helps to visualise problems how to overcome them retools, props,scenes, settings, emergencies etc. Look forward to hearing from you. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
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Hi Brenda, Not sure if you are aware, but SA is in the throes of releasing a government directed waterbirth policy for all public hospitals, it might be a great time for you to approach the maternity heads and offer to do some education along those lines, now that there is (nearly) an official policy on it. Just thought Id give you the heads up if no-one else had, your workshop sounds great, Id love to attend myself! Tania PS what are the costs involved? From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 5:15 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Sharon, Yes, we will do a workshop in Adelaide on: Waterbirths minus the Mystery, a 'how to' for you ! I'm happy to respond, this is my area of speciality.I assume you aren't just after general knowledge as there is plenty of that available by googling on the net. You are in Adelaide if you'd like to get together a group of students or colleagues I could run a workshop for you on waterbirth. Perhaps if you do some homework re nice venues (ie roomy good energy) get an idea of numbers of your colleagues/peers interested ( 8 - 10 minimum) we could then fix a definite date. Some suggestions: Community house, approach local hospital, local clinic, your own or a friendshome, you just need a roomy lounge. They aregood fun we do a lot of hands on role play which is a great very effective way to learn . We do tend to remember things we've seen acted out as well as retain the info. Plus it gives you a chance to trouble-shoot regarding your particular situation. Also we find it helps to visualise problems how to overcome them retools, props,scenes, settings, emergencies etc. Look forward to hearing from you. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
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Some students would definitely be interested - cost permitting. Kate - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Sharon, Yes, we will do a workshop in Adelaide on: "Waterbirths minus the Mystery", a 'how to' for you ! I'm happy to respond, this is my area of speciality.I assume you aren't just after general knowledge as there is plenty of that available by googling on the net. You are in Adelaide if you'd like to get together a group of students or colleagues I could run a workshop for you on waterbirth. Perhaps if you do some homework re nice venues (ie roomy good energy) get an idea of numbers of your colleagues/peers interested ( 8 - 10 minimum) we could then fix a definite date. Some suggestions: Community house, approach local hospital, local clinic, your own or a friendshome, you just need a roomy lounge. They aregood fun we do a lot of hands on role play which is a great very effective way to learn . We do tend to remember things we've seen acted out as well as retain the info. Plus it gives you a chance to trouble-shoot regarding your particular situation. Also we find it helps to visualise problems how to overcome them retools, props,scenes, settings, emergencies etc. Look forward to hearing from you. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
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Title: Message The ACMI SA education sessions often address water birth. I know there will be a session on waterbirth at next April's Port Pirie information weekend. Perhaps contactACMI SA and ask if there is something closer. cheers Jo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharonSent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:57 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005
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thanks tania. - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth You could always come along to a homebirth network meeting, there are always lots of women who have laboured and birthed in water there, and believe me, youll learn more from them than you will from any class or seminar! There are usually a couple of homebirth midwives there too, Wendy and I make it a date not to miss unless were at a birth. Next meeting is next Fri, 10-12 at the Eastwood community centre contact me if you need any further info Tania xx From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sharonSent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 12:57 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
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Tania, I replied to you off line about this but I'm not sure the email at the birth centre is working well. Would you email me off line about it ? I would like to ask some questions. I usually charge per head cover travel costs. Thanks. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:12 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Brenda, Not sure if you are aware, but SA is in the throes of releasing a government directed waterbirth policy for all public hospitals, it might be a great time for you to approach the maternity heads and offer to do some education along those lines, now that there is (nearly) an official policy on it. Just thought Id give you the heads up if no-one else had, your workshop sounds great, Id love to attend myself! Tania PS what are the costs involved? From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanningSent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 5:15 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Sharon, Yes, we will do a workshop in Adelaide on: "Waterbirths minus the Mystery", a 'how to' for you ! I'm happy to respond, this is my area of speciality.I assume you aren't just after general knowledge as there is plenty of that available by googling on the net. You are in Adelaide if you'd like to get together a group of students or colleagues I could run a workshop for you on waterbirth. Perhaps if you do some homework re nice venues (ie roomy good energy) get an idea of numbers of your colleagues/peers interested ( 8 - 10 minimum) we could then fix a definite date. Some suggestions: Community house, approach local hospital, local clinic, your own or a friendshome, you just need a roomy lounge. They aregood fun we do a lot of hands on role play which is a great very effective way to learn . We do tend to remember things we've seen acted out as well as retain the info. Plus it gives you a chance to trouble-shoot regarding your particular situation. Also we find it helps to visualise problems how to overcome them retools, props,scenes, settings, emergencies etc. Look forward to hearing from you. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth
can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth presentation
Title: Bericht Hoi Robyn, where in the UK will you give your presentation and willmidwives from other countrysbe free to attend? I am very interested. greetings Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477/740853 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Robyn ThompsonVerzonden: vrijdag 5 augustus 2005 10:13Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - The Natural State Hi Barb My apologies for this Conference, I will be in the UK doing a presentation on Waterbirth. I would love to present an abstract for the next breastfeeding conference on the data collected at Darebin and a DVD I have al most completed on preventing nipple trauma and innate breastfeeding. Have a great Conference. Robyn Thompson -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb GlareSent: Friday, 5 August 2005 5:49 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - The Natural State 2005 INTERNATIONAL BREASTFEEDING CONFERENCE, Hobart, Tasmania, 28 - 30September.Please note early bird full registrations close on 19 AUGUST. Internet registration is available atwww.cdesign.com.au/aba2005. The online Registration Form is secured forcredit card transactions.Who should attend this conference? Midwives Maternal Child Health Nurses Lactation Consultants Other Health Care Professionals All those interested and passionate about the art and science of breastfeedingTo give you a glimpse, here are the backgrounds of some of the keynotespeakers and their main topics. They also have presentations in theconcurrent sessions. For the full programme, please see the website.James McKenna - Normal sleep - mother and baby together for better.Reducing the risk of SIDS.James received his undergraduate degree in Anthropology in 1970, his MastersDegree in 1972, and his PhD in Biological Anthropology in 1975. Since 1997he has chaired the Anthropology Department at the Notre Dame University, anddirects the Mother-Baby Behavioural Sleep Laboratory on campus.His research and publications concern the relationship between infant andchildhood sleeping arrangements, breastfeeding, and the Sudden Infant DeathSyndrome (SIDS). Indeed, he is best known internationally for his pioneeringstudies of the physiology and behaviour of mother-infant co-sleeping.He has published over 130 refereed articles in anthropological, medical andpsychology journals and his list of publications includes two book lengthmonographs on SIDS and Infant Sleep, and an edited book entitledEvolutionary Medicine (published by Oxford in 1999).He is currently writing a parenting book for the wider market with atentative title of: Why parents, infants and children have sleep problems tosolve.Brian Palmer- The importance of breastfeeding to orofacial development.Health consequences related to bottle and dummy use.Brian graduated from dental school in 1970. After a one-year hospitalresidency, he set up a full-time family dental practice in Kansas City.Since about 1975 he has been doing self-funded research trying to determinethe reasons for the collapse of the oral cavity and airway.As a former physical education major and professional football player, hehas always been interested in health and fitness. He developed dissectingskills as a human anatomy lab assistant in the mid-60s and has taken veryinteresting and unique illustrations of both foetus and adult airwaydissections.He has evaluated 600 prehistoric skulls, including many at the Smithsonian.He has done extensive research on the importance of breastfeeding as itrelates to total health and has given presentations on breastfeeding issuesfor the International Lactation Consultant Association and La Leche LeagueInternational.In June of 2004, he presented at the International Conference for theAcademy of Dental Sleep Medicine (ADSM), an international group ofhealth-care providers interested in the research and treatment of snoring,obstructive sleep apnoea (OSA) and sleep disordered breathing (SDB) - majorcontributing factors to many of the health problems in our society today.His current objective is to encourage funded researchers to set upscientifically based research to demonstrate how breastfeeding can reducethe risk of snoring and OSA / SDB.Christa Herzog - Born with a cleft - giving baby the best start to feeding.Christa Herzog lives in Lucerne, Switzerland. She is a paediatric nurse,lactation consultant, educator and mother of four children. She works at achildren's and maternity clinic, is member of a cleft team, teaches at theEuropean Lactation Institute and teaches at several midwifery and nursingschools. She gives talks
Re: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth thread - maternity initiatives!
Good points and I agree with all aforementioned . I was one of the team for our (now closed) Family Birth Centre, and while it was a fabulous service in many ways, it was also badly thought out, much opposed by the obs(no surprise there) and working conditions werequite difficult forthe few of us who did work in it. It was not based on case loading and required a lot of on-call which made having a life outside very hard! It was also quite an expensive option and not used sufficiently which made it hard for us to argue for its continuation. Must say that I felt quite 'burned out' after 18months, and I was only working 0.5, but the experience gained was incredible. We had at that time, a 3-tier system which many women found confusing 1. Obstetric care as either private or public patient in rooms, with no guarantee that "your" obs would be the one on call when your birth happened (unless induced to suit!) but managed under the preferences of "your" doctor for pregnancy care and under the preferences of on-call doctor for labour. (Standing orders and telephone contact - call in prn and for delivery) 2. GP/Midwife public care for low-risk women, with obstetric back-up when needed - this occasionally was a cause of conflict as you may guess when obs disagreed with management and made life quite difficult at times ( I remember one lovely lady GP being reduced to tears and forced to assist at C/S under most unpleasant bullying tactics) Ante-natal care by midwives and GP's (2 GP visits as standard, more as indicated, consultation to obs if indicated) Early discharge or full stay as desired. 3. FBC midwife led care which was essentially very similar to option 2 but with a far more personalised mode of care with a team of 3 midwives, birth in private FBC room and a lot more freedom of choice.With the same back up as above, discharge within 24 hours and EDP by the same midwives. Now we have only one option, the obstetricians have been taken on staff and have largely given up their private practices, their indemnity iscovered by the hospitaland they are earning a very large salary for providing 24-hour cover on-site. The GP's were told they were no longer required (they are quite justifiably upset by this and are directing their patients to other areas which is having a bad effect upon our booking numbers) We still have our midwife clinic and perform a great deal of the ante-natal care for the majority of low-risk women, this has also helped improve the assessment skills of our midwives. Since this change our C/S rate has increased significantly as has our intervention rate. I questioned whether, as a public hospital, we could endorse elective C/S, or 'social' induction for no medical reason- i.e. maternal request, and was told that we had to support 'informed choice' (would be funny if it wasn't so sad eh?) Obs insist on being called for delivery in even spontaneous normal labours (although not all of them feel compelled to attend) which naturally has an impact on the whole situation, and midwife job satisfaction has decreased accordingly. If we challenge any practice we are 'put back in our box' and getting them to agree to any sensible protocol, even among themselves, is nigh on impossible, as they have all been too used to doing their own thing and are really not into team playing. Some are obviously more reasonable than others but the balance of power is definitely medical! Meantime they are on a very cushy number indeed and as the majority are counting down to retirement, are very unlikely to want to change that! With regards to refresher courses happening - several of my colleagues and I are undertaking the Enhanced Role of the Midwife course which is just getting underway. I think that quite a few of my colleagues would like to work in a midwifery-led model, but I know that just as many would resist it strongly! Hope this helps add to the general info about what is happening 'out there' Sue - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth thread - maternity initiatives! Hi everyone I've been followingthis thread with great interest. I am a bit confusedas to this new initiative and whether it in fact, means anything at all? Is tomorrow going to come and go and things continue to stay the same?? Some say that this whole 'initiative'it is just a tokengesture to calm the waters andat the end of the day.. the old boys have all the control and are not going to hand this over to midwives? Like Tina, I have too trained in the BMid model andfeel quite equipped to offer care across the whole continuum and work in a caseload model. The problem is... there
Re: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth thread - maternity initiatives!
Thanks Sue! It is saddening to hear what is happening and the power issues that are going on. You would think we have gone back 20 or 30 years and how come theseguys can get awaywith this!!! It's not on! I guess you hit thenail on the head with regards to what happened at your centre- badly thought out= disaster or unsustainable practice in the least. We simply can't afford to not get it right from the beginning. I think it's a good idea (previous thread)tonetwork accordingly to getsuch problemsironed out for future programs.You can understand why midwives would not want to work in that type of model that is so draining and difficult to maintain.We also know that it can be so terrific and rewarding and like Tina pointed out, not asdifficult as shift work if it isstructured properly Where are you doing yourEnhanced role ofthe midwife course?? I'd really like to know so I can spread the word. Must get back to CSI! Sad life I know!! Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/15/05 20:07:33 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth thread - maternity initiatives! Good points and I agree with all aforementioned . I was one of the team for our (now closed) Family Birth Centre, and while it was a fabulous service in many ways, it was also badly thought out, much opposed by the obs(no surprise there) and working conditions werequite difficult forthe few of us who did work in it. It was not based on case loading and required a lot of on-call which made having a life outside very hard! It was also quite an expensive option and not used sufficiently which made it hard for us to argue for its continuation. Must say that I felt quite 'burned out' after 18months, and I was only working 0.5, but the experience gained was incredible. We had at that time, a 3-tier system which many women found confusing 1. Obstetric care as either private or public patient in rooms, with no guarantee that "your" obs would be the one on call when your birth happened (unless induced to suit!) but managed under the preferences of "your" doctor for pregnancy care and under the preferences of on-call doctor for labour. (Standing orders and telephone contact - call in prn and for delivery) 2. GP/Midwife public care for low-risk women, with obstetric back-up when needed - this occasionally was a cause of conflict as you may guess when obs disagreed with management and made life quite difficult at times ( I remember one lovely lady GP being reduced to tears and forced to assist at C/S under most unpleasant bullying tactics) Ante-natal care by midwives and GP's (2 GP visits as standard, more as indicated, consultation to obs if indicated) Early discharge or full stay as desired. 3. FBC midwife led care which was essentially very similar to option 2 but with a far more personalised mode of care with a team of 3 midwives, birth in private FBC room and a lot more freedom of choice.With the same back up as above, discharge within 24 hours and EDP by the same midwives. Now we have only one option, the obstetricians have been taken on staff and have largely given up their private practices, their indemnity iscovered by the hospitaland they are earning a very large salary for providing 24-hour cover on-site. The GP's were told they were no longer required (they are quite justifiably upset by this and are directing their patients to other areas which is having a bad effect upon our booking numbers) We still have our midwife clinic and perform a great deal of the ante-natal care for the majority of low-risk women, this has also helped improve the assessment skills of our midwives. Since this change our C/S rate has increased significantly as has our intervention rate. I questioned whether, as a public hospital, we could endorse elective C/S, or 'social' induction for no medical reason- i.e. maternal request, and was told that we had to support 'informed choice' (would be funny if it wasn't so sad eh?) Obs insist on being called for delivery in even spontaneous normal labours (although not all of them feel compelled to attend) which naturally has an impact on the whole situation, and midwife job satisfaction has decreased accordingly. If we challenge any practice we are 'put back in our box' and getting them to agree to any sensible protocol, even among themselves, is nigh on impossible, as they have all been too used to doing their own thing and are really not into team playing. Some are obviously more reasonable than others but the balance of power is definitely medical! Meantime they are on a very cushy number indeed and as the majority are counting down to retirement, are very unlikely to want to change that! With regards to refresher courses happening - several of my colleagues and I are undertaking the Enhanced Role of the Midwife course which is just getting underway. I think that quite a few of my colleagues would like to work in a
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Keep the faith Tina. You are awesome. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her. -Judy Slome Cohain
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Hi Jan, In Victoria there is about to be an announcement of allocation of funding, tomorrow I think,to hospitals who have expressed interest in caseload midwifery. The funding is limited, but will be extended over the next 5-10 years. I think this round of funding will be allocated to one hospital per region. Small steps Nicole. - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi TinaI'm so upset to hear that this is how most of you wonderful B Mid women have ended up.It seems like the Bachelor of Midwifery courses are turning out similar end-products to the old post-grad Diploma courses - i.e., swelling the numbers for the existing hospital work force.The maternity administrators who are forward-thinking enough to bring in case load practice are not acting quickly enough to enroll potential midwifery graduates . Administrators should already be in contact with those students planning to graduate this year, offering them the opportunity experience in a midwifery case load program before their B Mid studies are completed and they have to start to hunt around for 'shifts' in fragmented care programs. I don't see many hospitals advertising that they are going to set up Community Midwifery Programs this year either. Where is the leadership and vision amongst the rank and file? Perhaps some one can email ozmidwifery and tell me that I am dead wrong? I hope so.ASIM will be offering a scholarship to final year UTS students when the current course gets towards it's end stage. That way the independent midwives and the home birth community will ensure that the most motivated midwifery students obtain valuable home birth experience during the last year of their course and will be able to work with independent practitioners when they graduate.JanPS Please let the Society know if you ever intend to re-locate up into NSW Tina.JanJan Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 14 Mar, 2005, at 14:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/14/2005 1:52:01 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload.Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die.JanHello Jan and everyone. Jan I couldn't agree more!!As a recently graduated midwife, educated via a Bachelor of Midwifery (predicated on continuity and woman-centred care) I am now working fulltime shift-work across my scope of practice (rotating thu pregnancy, birth and after birth care) and I can't believe that midwives feel that full-time shift work is a wonderful way work!! Having just completed my midwifery studies with full time uni and a caseload of between 10-15 women a year across the 3 years of the B Mid...I was NO WHERE nearly as tired I am now with doing the full-time shift work.it sucks big time!!!Where I work is a large regional midwifery unit in Victoria, and the move is towards implementing one-to-one midwifery care for women, with a known midwife throughout their pregnancy, birthing and early parenting journey - caseload. However, this move is being met with strenuous opposition from many of the midwives who WILL NOT even contemplate that perhaps there is another way to be 'with woman' than the current fear based, institution focused, inflexible rostered based system of maternity care. So like Jennifairy, I too am also working with a MIPP to keep my skills up of supporting women in their on own power to birth at home on a partime basis where I am sharing a small caseload of women with another midwifery colleague, while continuing to work to educate midwives on the benefits of one-one midwifery care with known womenwhilst continuing to practice the bulk of my midwifery in what now seems like on planet Mars!!Yours in reforming midwiferyTina Pettigrew.
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Dear Tina I have these responses from midwives and they are excuses for their fear of change really!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth In a message dated 3/14/2005 3:30:31 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i applaude you for doing what u want to. but however in the current climate bieng a bach of mid grad we are still un accepted by some midwives who have years of expereince or rather indocrination of working in hospitals. one day hopefully we can be accepted more by our collegues as being their equal. shift work can be frustrating but at the hospital where i am they gave us the choice of what we wanted to do ie 3 days to 5 days per week and all the interim. cheers sharonHi Sharon thanks for your comments...the simple point I am trying to make is that the arguement I get from most midwives re: caseloadand their unwillingness to participate, is that its "too hard" "too demanding" "harder than shift work"having worked both ways myself now, caseload while it can be more unpredicible than shift work in terms of when you work and your availablity, I have found it FAR less tiring and a great deal more flexible in how I choose to organise my day (and my family) in partnership with the women in my care! When your rostered to work on shiftwell that's it your rostered on and gone for upto 10 hours a day.at least with caseload other than if I am with a birthing womanmy day is my own, negotiated with the women concerned...and if I only feel like working four hours today and 6 tomorrow.well, that's what I'll do! Much more woman and midwife friendly!Cheers Tina P
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Hi all, Once a student has completed the Bmid, is it feasible to go straight into Independant Practice without working in a hospital? Cheers Jo Hunter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 14 March 2005 4:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth In a message dated 3/14/2005 3:30:31 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i applaude you for doing what u want to. but however in the current climate bieng a bach of mid grad we are still un accepted by some midwives who have years of expereince or rather indocrination of working in hospitals. one day hopefully we can be accepted more by our collegues as being their equal. shift work can be frustrating but at the hospital where i am they gave us the choice of what we wanted to do ie 3 days to 5 days per week and all the interim. cheers sharonHi Sharon thanks for your comments...the simple point I am trying to make is that the arguement I get from most midwives re: caseloadand their unwillingness to participate, is that its "too hard" "too demanding" "harder than shift work"having worked both ways myself now, caseload while it can be more unpredicible than shift work in terms of when you work and your availablity, I have found it FAR less tiring and a great deal more flexible in how I choose to organise my day (and my family) in partnership with the women in my care! When your rostered to work on shiftwell that's it your rostered on and gone for upto 10 hours a day.at least with caseload other than if I am with a birthing womanmy day is my own, negotiated with the women concerned...and if I only feel like working four hours today and 6 tomorrow.well, that's what I'll do! Much more woman and midwife friendly!Cheers Tina P
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The BMid grads that I know who have gone into private practice have done so in an apprenticeship arrangement with a practicing independent. Cheers Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jo Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi all, Once a student has completed the Bmid, is it feasible to go straight into Independant Practice without working in a hospital? Cheers Jo Hunter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 14 March 2005 4:04 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth In a message dated 3/14/2005 3:30:31 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i applaude you for doing what u want to. but however in the current climate bieng a bach of mid grad we are still un accepted by some midwives who have years of expereince or rather indocrination of working in hospitals. one day hopefully we can be accepted more by our collegues as being their equal. shift work can be frustrating but at the hospital where i am they gave us the choice of what we wanted to do ie 3 days to 5 days per week and all the interim. cheers sharon Hi Sharon thanks for your comments...the simple point I am trying to make is that the arguement I get from most midwives re: caseloadand their unwillingness to participate, is that its too hard too demanding harder than shift workhaving worked both ways myself now, caseload while it can be more unpredicible than shift work in terms of when you work and your availablity, I have found it FAR less tiring and a great deal more flexible in how I choose to organise my day (and my family) in partnership with the women in my care! When your rostered to work on shiftwell that's it your rostered on and gone for upto 10 hours a day.at least with caseload other than if I am with a birthing womanmy day is my own, negotiated with the women concerned...and if I only feel like working four hours today and 6 tomorrow.well, that's what I'll do! Much more woman and midwife friendly! Cheers Tina P -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005
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Dear All, If anyone knows or would like to let a unit know that ishas aMidwifery model of care orwho would like their unitto be a Midiwfery model of care, I am going a little step further than Jo who is putting together a list of Midwifery led care. Since Midwifery is now starting to grow in some areas I am suggesting to put together a Newsletter and furthercommunication lines with Midwives that is a little different than the ozmid list of general discussion. I am happy to coordinate this initially. Of cours ozmid will still be a part of our lines of communication. The purpose is to let colleagues know of what types of Midwifery led care is out there, act as a mentor, listening post, exchange ideas, problems etc etc etc. on a one to one, unit to unit basis. It can be very useful when introducing this model of care (in its many forms) brainstorm problems, new ideas, and not reinvent the wheel if someone has already gone through the process. Get the idea? So it is up to you all to get back to me with: 1. names 2. locations 3. contact numbers 4. contact addresses 5. snail mail 6. email contact 7. Summary of your model of care I will put together a format - it will probably be through email
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um, as a new graduate of the 3 year BMid who has had the opportunity to 'apprentice' with an independant midwife, I guess the answer is 'well, yeah'. I must admit to some anxious feelings when I was considering this option, but I spoke to people like Nicky Leap, Shea Caplice, some others who told me that thats what they had done never regretted it. I feel that I still have enormous gaps in my knowledge experience base, but I want those gaps to be filled by 'normal' birth experiences. I know that the current midwifery scope of practice includes things like setting up epidurals synt infusions etc, I am not going to be 'consolidating my practice' in those areas while I practice independantly, but I can live with that for now. I have just done 3 years of fulltime study as a sole parent, with no family or other reliable support structures, being student rep for over 2 years of that having my 'fingers in a lot of pies', so full-time shift work, even in a grad program, only seemed like a valid option if I didnt mind the thought of being scraped up off the floor at the end of it (by my kids probably!) Unfortunately, there are not very many MIPPs around now to mentor or apprentice new grads who want to work independantly, even of those who are around, there is no identified 'process' for this to happen. In talking to midwives who have worked with more experienced mids before going 'out on their own', there is a lot of diversity in process. The midwife that I am working with is taking a few months long-service leave from her job as Community Midwife doing postnatal home visits, is using this time to take on some private clients (she has worked as a MIPP for years before this), so my 'apprenticeship' will probably be shorter than I would like it to be. There are no other MIPPs here that I know of who are willing to take on an apprentice. Jan, the program you have mentioned from ASIM sounds absolutley wonderful I only wish there were something like it here in SA. Northern Womens have taken on one grad this year, but as far as I know the Group Practice at WCH has not taken any, these are the only midwifery-led practices that offer either continuity of care or carer in the metropolitan region. It seems to me that the pathway for a midwife who wants to work independantly is not easily identified, accessed or facilitated. Happy to be wrong on any of this! Jennifairy jo wrote: Hi all, Once a student has completed the Bmid, is it feasible to go straight into Independant Practice without working in a hospital? Cheers Jo Hunter *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, 14 March 2005 4:04 PM *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth In a message dated 3/14/2005 3:30:31 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i applaude you for doing what u want to. but however in the current climate bieng a bach of mid grad we are still un accepted by some midwives who have years of expereince or rather indocrination of working in hospitals. one day hopefully we can be accepted more by our collegues as being their equal. shift work can be frustrating but at the hospital where i am they gave us the choice of what we wanted to do ie 3 days to 5 days per week and all the interim. cheers sharon Hi Sharon thanks for your comments...the simple point I am trying to make is that the arguement I get from most midwives re: caseloadand their unwillingness to participate, is that its too hard too demanding harder than shift workhaving worked both ways myself now, caseload while it can be more unpredicible than shift work in terms of when you work and your availablity, I have found it FAR less tiring and a great deal more flexible in how I choose to organise my day (and my family) in partnership with the women in my care! When your rostered to work on shiftwell that's it your rostered on and gone for upto 10 hours a day.at least with caseload other than if I am with a birthing womanmy day is my own, negotiated with the women concerned...and if I only feel like working four hours today and 6 tomorrow.well, that's what I'll do! Much more woman and midwife friendly! Cheers Tina P -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hello Tina Bear in mind that our midwifery workforce is ageing, avg age is 48. I am 51 and if I was young and at the beginning of my mid career I would be into caseloading big time. I have just started a new job (in a mid hospital) and it is hard making even that change to another hospital. Finding out where everything is etc. It is never easy I have worked in many different institutions and it gets harder each time.Also in this and most hospitals midwives are expected to look after general patients.I think this would be enough to swing midwives towards caseloading. I accept that most Australian midwives do not realise that caseloading is easier to manage than set shifts. I heard Caroline Flint talk on this issue and she clarified it well. I would like to do it in principle, but at the moment I want some time free for me after 35 years of busy caring. I believe things are changing but it is slow and we need to keep up our education of the public. In particular I think we (midwives) should be in the primary schools and kinders introducing the role of the midwife and talking about how to have a healthy society through healthy childbearing and parenting. Tina, hang in there, it is happening, albeit slowly. You will probably be writing all this up as part of the history of Australian midwifery one daya Masters project perhaps?!! Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 0835 0419 528 717 Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 0835 0419 528 717 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth In a message dated 3/14/2005 1:52:01 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload.Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die.JanHello Jan and everyone. Jan I couldn't agree more!!As a recently graduated midwife, educated via a Bachelor of Midwifery (predicated on continuity and woman-centred care) I am now working fulltime shift-work across my scope of practice (rotating thu pregnancy, birth and after birth care) and I can't believe that midwives feel that full-time shift work is a wonderful way work!! Having just completed my midwifery studies with full time uni and a caseload of between 10-15 women a year across the 3 years of the B Mid...I was NO WHERE nearly as tired I am now with doing the full-time shift work.it sucks big time!!!Where I work is a large regional midwifery unit in Victoria, and the move is towards implementing one-to-one midwifery care for women, with a known midwife throughout their pregnancy, birthing and early parenting journey - caseload. However, this move is being met with strenuous opposition from many of the midwives who WILL NOT even contemplate that perhaps there is another way to be 'with woman' than the current fear based, institution focused, inflexible rostered based system of maternity care. So like Jennifairy, I too am also working with a MIPP to keep my skills up of supporting women in their on own power to birth at home on a partime basis where I am sharing a small caseload of women with another midwifery colleague, while continuing to work to educate midwives on the benefits of one-one midwifery care with known womenwhilst continuing to practice the bulk of my midwifery in what now seems like on planet Mars!!Yours in reforming midwiferyTina Pettigrew.
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Hi Jo As long as the newly graduated BMId is are working with another experienced midwife and can be adequately supervised for at least twelve months. Definitely it is the best way to go but you need supervision. In the UK they have designated supervisors for all midwives. Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 0835 0419 528 717 - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi all, Once a student has completed the Bmid, is it feasible to go straight into Independant Practice without working in a hospital? Cheers Jo Hunter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 14 March 2005 4:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth In a message dated 3/14/2005 3:30:31 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i applaude you for doing what u want to. but however in the current climate bieng a bach of mid grad we are still un accepted by some midwives who have years of expereince or rather indocrination of working in hospitals. one day hopefully we can be accepted more by our collegues as being their equal. shift work can be frustrating but at the hospital where i am they gave us the choice of what we wanted to do ie 3 days to 5 days per week and all the interim. cheers sharonHi Sharon thanks for your comments...the simple point I am trying to make is that the arguement I get from most midwives re: caseloadand their unwillingness to participate, is that its "too hard" "too demanding" "harder than shift work"having worked both ways myself now, caseload while it can be more unpredicible than shift work in terms of when you work and your availablity, I have found it FAR less tiring and a great deal more flexible in how I choose to organise my day (and my family) in partnership with the women in my care! When your rostered to work on shiftwell that's it your rostered on and gone for upto 10 hours a day.at least with caseload other than if I am with a birthing womanmy day is my own, negotiated with the women concerned...and if I only feel like working four hours today and 6 tomorrow.well, that's what I'll do! Much more woman and midwife friendly!Cheers Tina P
[ozmidwifery] Waterbirth thread - maternity initiatives!
Hi everyone I've been followingthis thread with great interest. I am a bit confusedas to this new initiative and whether it in fact, means anything at all? Is tomorrow going to come and go and things continue to stay the same?? Some say that this whole 'initiative'it is just a tokengesture to calm the waters andat the end of the day.. the old boys have all the control and are not going to hand this over to midwives? Like Tina, I have too trained in the BMid model andfeel quite equipped to offer care across the whole continuum and work in a caseload model. The problem is... there are very few vacancies for us to work in the model we have been trained for. Icertainly hope this will improve. The hospital I am at is keen to offer caseload butthere are a fewhurdles in our way. I'd be interested to know whether this applies to other hospitals as well.. 1.Lack of committed and skilled staff - or should I say, a huge fear that working caseload is going to impose on our lives too much! 2. Lack of obstetric/medial support when needed. There are lots of power struggles going on and obstetricans playing bullies! 3. How to fund this type of program with no additionalfunding? - I realise there are grants available of which I understand we have been turned down for on our last attempt? I believe we are alsowaiting for the ANFto decide on salary packages for caseload type work. Another concernthat I see is not only the opposition or fear of caseload by many midwives,but also the knowledge gapthat existsin the antenatal segment. I am not sure ifpreconception and antenatal care and education has been part of traditional midwifery training... and I realise it is not rocket science but I have also seen manymidwives who have become reliant on doctors instead of using their own extensive knowledge and skill base. Together we have a wealth of knowledge that we need to share with each other. I am sure you all agree and I hope you can understand where I am coming from. We know how to fill in pathology forms, how to do a bishop score etc, but we have not been 'alllowed' to perform such tasks. There are many more I can think of when midwives have been required to call in a doctor to follow protocols! Is it the unknown or lack of confidence/skillsin this area that is contributing to the fearfactor?If so, what are we doing about it? If and when these types of models of care are initiated, how will westaff them with the current state of our workforce and lack of midwives? I believe each and everyone one of us has it in us to work to our full potential and it should be our right to move in and out of different models to suit our individual situations but I believe we are on the back-foot preparing and supporting each other to do this. I don't believe in my area that we would have adequate numbers to undertake Caseload in this area effectively and efficiently. It would be shame to start and burn out because it were not set upproperly. I can imagine who would be laughing too andsaying "I told you so!" How do the rest of you feel in the areas you live in? Is this a rural thing or does it apply to the metropolitan areas also? I'm in rural Victoria. I have heard through the grapevine that there is money available for refreshing/reskilling of midwiveswhatever you would like to call it, but how and when is this going to take place? Do any of you know of any refresher type programs that are currently availbable? Shouldn't this already be happening in preparation for our day in the sun? I also think the idea of independent midwives mentoring grad midwives is terrific in theory, but again. finding midwives who are still managing to work in these models is another difficulty in itself. I worked with a beautiful midwife yesterday (relatively new) who said she had never seen physiological 3rd stage. I wonder if she has ever truely seen a normal birth? How canwe expect midwives to facilitatenormal births when they have not had the opportunities to witness them? We need more MIPPS to help keep this balance with student midwives. We all know we need more support to encourage and support independent midwifery!!! I hope that this post is not offensiive to anyone as that is not my intention at all. I'm only new myself so full of passion and ideas but lacking in the experience department. I see that we can all offer each other so much and I really feel passionate that we need to begin working together and supporting one another in the drive for better employment options. I'dlike to see this happenbefore I die as well! Someone please tell me that this is going to happen...? I'm only in my 30's! Your in midwifery and forever learning so forgiveness please for my foot in mouth disease!! Kiwi Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/15/05 14:12:14 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hello Tina Bear in min
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Hi In the last edition of MIDIRS there was an interesting article called 'Giving Birth the Swedish Way' written by a third year midwifery student from the UK who did an elective placement in Sweden. She quotes: ...although hydrotherapy is highly recognised in Sweden for its effectiveness during labour and birth, water birth is no longer legal. When I asked a midwife why this is, I was told that around 12 years ago a baby died from asphyxia following a water birth and since then there has been no water birth in Sweden. No-one has ever appeared to challenge this. New, s. 2004 MIDIRS Midwifery digest vol14, no4, Dec 2004 p445 Cheers Lesley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Robertson Sent: 13 March 2005 15:17 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Belinda, I am sitting here with Susanna Houd (from Denmark) and she says that Swedish women would never allow waterbirths to be banned it has been a part of the birth scene for years. South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea At 01:48 AM 12/03/2006, you wrote: I had an antenatal class yesterday and when they asked about waterbirth I discussed it along with hospital policy basically letting them know the benefits of it but that there are many practitioners who don't support it etc. One woman in the class said she was from Sweden and that they have recently banned waterbirth? Does anyone know anything about this?? Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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'South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea' Does anyone have access to this document I would dearly love to see it. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I will see when it is being released Cheers Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Westbury Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth 'South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea' Does anyone have access to this document I would dearly love to see it. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Sally, Anne Nixon at Women's and Children's Hospital in Adelaide, or Mark Kierse at Flinders will have the details. If I hear of it on a website I'll post the details to the list. Andrea At 10:28 PM 13/03/2005, you wrote: 'South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea' Does anyone have access to this document I would dearly love to see it. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Andrea and listers During the ICM held in Norway some years ago the Minister for Health ( a tall, beautiful blond woman) came to the Congress and told us thatwhen those men (the doctors) came along and said all baths had to be removed from our local maternity unit - THAT IS WHEN I WENT INTO POLITICS! I remember the Prime Minister (also female) was equally impressive when she delivered her speech. They both came across as powerful women who would not waiver in their views on women's birth choices. It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload. Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 13 Mar, 2005, at 18:17, Andrea Robertson wrote: Hi Belinda, I am sitting here with Susanna Houd (from Denmark) and she says that Swedish women would never allow waterbirths to be banned it has been a part of the birth scene for years. South Australia has recently adopted Statewide policy (in consultation with consumers, midwives, doctors, paediatricians) on waterbirths that means that women anywhere in the State can have a water births. Regards, Andrea At 01:48 AM 12/03/2006, you wrote: I had an antenatal class yesterday and when they asked about waterbirth I discussed it along with hospital policy basically letting them know the benefits of it but that there are many practitioners who don't support it etc. One woman in the class said she was from Sweden and that they have recently banned waterbirth? Does anyone know anything about this?? Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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In a message dated 3/14/2005 1:52:01 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload. Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die. Jan Hello Jan and everyone. Jan I couldn't agree more!! As a recently graduated midwife, educated via a Bachelor of Midwifery (predicated on continuity and woman-centred care) I am now working fulltime shift-work across my scope of practice (rotating thu pregnancy, birth and after birth care) and I can't believe that midwives feel that full-time shift work is a wonderful way work!! Having just completed my midwifery studies with full time uni and a caseload of between 10-15 women a year across the 3 years of the B Mid...I was NO WHERE nearly as tired I am now with doing the full-time shift work.it sucks big time!!! Where I work is a large regional midwifery unit in Victoria, and the move is towards implementing one-to-one midwifery care for women, with a known midwife throughout their pregnancy, birthing and early parenting journey - caseload. However, this move is being met with strenuous opposition from many of the midwives who WILL NOT even contemplate that perhaps there is another way to be 'with woman' than the current fear based, institution focused, inflexible rostered based system of maternity care. So like Jennifairy, I too am also working with a MIPP to keep my skills up of supporting women in their on own power to birth at home on a partime basis where I am sharing a small caseload of women with another midwifery colleague, while continuing to work to educate midwives on the benefits of one-one midwifery care with known womenwhilst continuing to practice the bulk of my midwifery in what now seems like on planet Mars!! Yours in reforming midwifery Tina Pettigrew.
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i applaude you for doing what u want to. but however in the current climate bieng a bach of mid grad we are still un accepted by some midwives who have years of expereince or rather indocrination of working in hospitals. one day hopefully we can be accepted more by our collegues as being their equal. shift work can be frustrating but at the hospital where i am they gave us the choice of what we wanted to do ie 3 days to 5 days per week and all the interim. cheers sharon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth In a message dated 3/14/2005 1:52:01 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload.Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die.JanHello Jan and everyone. Jan I couldn't agree more!!As a recently graduated midwife, educated via a Bachelor of Midwifery (predicated on continuity and woman-centred care) I am now working fulltime shift-work across my scope of practice (rotating thu pregnancy, birth and after birth care) and I can't believe that midwives feel that full-time shift work is a wonderful way work!! Having just completed my midwifery studies with full time uni and a caseload of between 10-15 women a year across the 3 years of the B Mid...I was NO WHERE nearly as tired I am now with doing the full-time shift work.it sucks big time!!!Where I work is a large regional midwifery unit in Victoria, and the move is towards implementing one-to-one midwifery care for women, with a known midwife throughout their pregnancy, birthing and early parenting journey - caseload. However, this move is being met with strenuous opposition from many of the midwives who WILL NOT even contemplate that perhaps there is another way to be 'with woman' than the current fear based, institution focused, inflexible rostered based system of maternity care. So like Jennifairy, I too am also working with a MIPP to keep my skills up of supporting women in their on own power to birth at home on a partime basis where I am sharing a small caseload of women with another midwifery colleague, while continuing to work to educate midwives on the benefits of one-one midwifery care with known womenwhilst continuing to practice the bulk of my midwifery in what now seems like on planet Mars!!Yours in reforming midwiferyTina Pettigrew.
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Hi Tina I'm so upset to hear that this is how most of you wonderful B Mid women have ended up. It seems like the Bachelor of Midwifery courses are turning out similar end-products to the old post-grad Diploma courses - i.e., swelling the numbers for the existing hospital work force. The maternity administrators who are forward-thinking enough to bring in case load practice are not acting quickly enough to enroll potential midwifery graduates . Administrators should already be in contact with those students planning to graduate this year, offering them the opportunity experience in a midwifery case load program before their B Mid studies are completed and they have to start to hunt around for 'shifts' in fragmented care programs. I don't see many hospitals advertising that they are going to set up Community Midwifery Programs this year either. Where is the leadership and vision amongst the rank and file? Perhaps some one can email ozmidwifery and tell me that I am dead wrong? I hope so. ASIM will be offering a scholarship to final year UTS students when the current course gets towards it's end stage. That way the independent midwives and the home birth community will ensure that the most motivated midwifery students obtain valuable home birth experience during the last year of their course and will be able to work with independent practitioners when they graduate. Jan PS Please let the Society know if you ever intend to re-locate up into NSW Tina. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 14 Mar, 2005, at 14:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/14/2005 1:52:01 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It concerns me that Australian midwives are so slow to see the advantages in forming partnerships with women, listen to them and work with them to provide the types of birth services women want. It is difficult in many areas to convince midwives to even contemplate taking on their own caseload. Perhaps time will alleviate my concerns. I hope I see all Australian midwives working 'with women' before I die. Jan Hello Jan and everyone. Jan I couldn't agree more!! As a recently graduated midwife, educated via a Bachelor of Midwifery (predicated on continuity and woman-centred care) I am now working fulltime shift-work across my scope of practice (rotating thu pregnancy, birth and after birth care) and I can't believe that midwives feel that full-time shift work is a wonderful way work!! Having just completed my midwifery studies with full time uni and a caseload of between 10-15 women a year across the 3 years of the B Mid...I was NO WHERE nearly as tired I am now with doing the full-time shift work.it sucks big time!!! Where I work is a large regional midwifery unit in Victoria, and the move is towards implementing one-to-one midwifery care for women, with a known midwife throughout their pregnancy, birthing and early parenting journey - caseload. However, this move is being met with strenuous opposition from many of the midwives who WILL NOT even contemplate that perhaps there is another way to be 'with woman' than the current fear based, institution focused, inflexible rostered based system of maternity care. So like Jennifairy, I too am also working with a MIPP to keep my skills up of supporting women in their on own power to birth at home on a partime basis where I am sharing a small caseload of women with another midwifery colleague, while continuing to work to educate midwives on the benefits of one-one midwifery care with known womenwhilst continuing to practice the bulk of my midwifery in what now seems like on planet Mars!! Yours in reforming midwifery Tina Pettigrew.
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Anyone got rights and responsibility documents they would like to share??? Id love a copy of the one from Barwon Health which I quite liked when I worked there. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her. -Judy Slome Cohain
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In a message dated 3/14/2005 3:30:31 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i applaude you for doing what u want to. but however in the current climate bieng a bach of mid grad we are still un accepted by some midwives who have years of expereince or rather indocrination of working in hospitals. one day hopefully we can be accepted more by our collegues as being their equal. shift work can be frustrating but at the hospital where i am they gave us the choice of what we wanted to do ie 3 days to 5 days per week and all the interim. cheers sharon Hi Sharon thanks for your comments...the simple point I am trying to make is that the arguement I get from most midwives re: caseloadand their unwillingness to participate, is that its "too hard" "too demanding" "harder than shift work"having worked both ways myself now, caseload while it can be more unpredicible than shift work in terms of when you work and your availablity, I have found it FAR less tiring and a great deal more flexible in how I choose to organise my day (and my family) in partnership with the women in my care! When your rostered to work on shiftwell that's it your rostered on and gone for upto 10 hours a day.at least with caseload other than if I am with a birthing womanmy day is my own, negotiated with the women concerned...and if I only feel like working four hours today and 6 tomorrow.well, that's what I'll do! Much more woman and midwife friendly! Cheers Tina P
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Dear Sally and all on list check out theHomebirth Australia website for both bill of rights and responsibilities.. http://www.homebirthaustralia.org/homebirth.html also...in New Zealand the Maternity Services Consumer Council - Choices for childbirth have a link for a woman's rights . http://www.maternity.org.nz/choices.shtml#rights also leilah mccracken has a list of rights on the midwifery today link below http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/declaration.asp I am not sure how many people are aware that Sally Westbury and the women and midwives of the CMP WA have been successful in retaining their services in the community and no longer have to relocate to the King Edward. Congratulations to one and all on an amazingly successful, politically strategic and inspiring campaign to keep home birth an option for the women of Fremantle where it belongs...in the community. It should also be noted that Carmen Lawrence was once again instrumental in the last minute outcome negotiated as usual a week or so outside of the WA state election. And in doing so, Carmen supported the women and midwives to uphold a woman's right to birth at home. Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Anyone got rights and responsibility documents they would like to share??? Id love a copy of the one from Barwon Health which I quite liked when I worked there. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth
I had an antenatal class yesterday and when they asked about waterbirth I discussed it along with hospital policy basically letting them know the benefits of it but that there are many practitioners who don't support it etc. One woman in the class said she was from Sweden and that they have recently banned waterbirth? Does anyone know anything about this?? Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I am german and I dont know about Sweden, but I could forward your question to the midwifery research list if you want. Clarissa I had an antenatal class yesterday and when they asked about waterbirth I discussed it along with hospital policy basically letting them know the benefits of it but that there are many practitioners who don't support it etc. One woman in the class said she was from Sweden and that they have recently banned waterbirth? Does anyone know anything about this?? Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. [EMAIL PROTECTED] oo in Berlin: Clarissa Schwarz Markgrafenstr. 5 D-10969 Berlin Tel: +49 (0)30-251 86 44 in Magdeburg: Clarissa Schwarz, MPH ISMHE Institute of Social Medicine and Health Economics Institut für Sozialmedizin und Gesundheitsökonomie Medizinische Fakultät, Otto-von-Guericke Universität Magdeburg Leipziger Str. 44 D-39120 Magdeburg Tel: +49 (0)391 - 532 80 57 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I and most other homebirth midwives have been facilitating water labour and waterbirth for 20yrs or more. We have had no problems related to the water in all that time. the hospitals here (WA)are afraid of water and there are no hospitals or birthcentres who allow planned waterbirth. I have not heard of any place that has banned waterbirth on the evidence. MM etc. One woman in the class said she was from Sweden and that they have recently banned waterbirth? Does anyone know anything about this?? Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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South Australia dept of Health is just about to release their water birth policy which I hear is quite supportive...when that happens we will let you know and that might be useful for those wanting water birth in institutions. Cheers Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 11:32 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth I and most other homebirth midwives have been facilitating water labour and waterbirth for 20yrs or more. We have had no problems related to the water in all that time. the hospitals here (WA)are afraid of water and there are no hospitals or birthcentres who allow planned waterbirth. I have not heard of any place that has banned waterbirth on the evidence. MM etc. One woman in the class said she was from Sweden and that they have recently banned waterbirth? Does anyone know anything about this?? Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I would love a copy of waterbirth policies too. Thanks, Di (a long time lurker!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Spam Alert: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth Policy Can people share their waterbirth policy from their units please. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain
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Email address. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks wendy Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her. -Judy Slome Cohain
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth in a mainstream mag!
From the MC Vic list: The Wollies/Safeway Australian Parents magazine Oct/Nov 04 ed has a great article about home/waterbirth pg 29-31 - especially considering it's a mainstream magazine (with normally boring mainstream stuff in it!). Maybe you have heard of them?? Mum Christina, 1st child (Paolo) water labour at birth centre. 2nd child water birth at home. Midwives Sheryl and Shea. Next time you're in a Safeway/Wollies store, have a look! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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The BMJ article on lbaouring in water can be found at http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7435/314?maxtoshow=HITS=10hits=10RESULTFORMAT=1andorexacttitle=andtitleabstract=water+birthandorexacttitleabs=andandorexactfulltext=andsearchid=1078364451058_4545stored_search=FIRSTINDEX=0sortspec=relevancefdate=1/1/2004resourcetype=1,2,3,4 the reference is Elizabeth R Cluett, Ruth M Pickering, Kathryn Getliffe, and Nigel James St George Saunders Randomised controlled trial of labouring in water compared with standard of augmentation for management of dystocia in first stage of labourBMJ 2004; 328: 314-0 cheers, David - Original Message - From: sally To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth article Apparently there is a positive article on waterbirth in a British obstetric journal, does anyone know about this? If they do could you please send on details? thanks Sally
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Many thanks! JenElissa and David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BMJ article on lbaouring in water can be found at http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7435/314?maxtoshow=HITS=10hits=10RESULTFORMAT=1andorexacttitle=andtitleabstract=water+birthandorexacttitleabs=andandorexactfulltext=andsearchid=1078364451058_4545stored_search=FIRSTINDEX=0sortspec=relevancefdate=1/1/2004resourcetype=1,2,3,4 the reference is Elizabeth R Cluett, Ruth M Pickering, Kathryn Getliffe, and Nigel James St George Saunders Randomised controlled trial of labouring in water compared with standard of augmentation for management of dystocia in first stage of labourBMJ 2004; 328: 314-0 cheers, David Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth article
Apparently there is a positive article on waterbirth in a British obstetric journal, does anyone know about this? If they do could you please send on details? thanks Sally
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc
Hi Diane, I am interested in buying the video. Thanks Michelle - Original Message - From: Diane Gardner To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc The video available on the www.waterbirth.orgsite titled Birth Into Being: The Russian Waterbirth Experienceis well worth buying. I show it to all my couples during my classes. It depicts beautiful birth in both birthing pools and also in the Black Sea. I usually buy them in a pack of 10 and they work out much cheaper. I am about to place another order again if anyone is interested. I think if you buy them singly they are around US$40 plus postage butI can buy them and sell them for AU$50incl. postage. Let me know and I will let you know when they arrive. Diane - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Great resource... http://www.waterbirth.org/spa/content/view/72/87/
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Ooppps, I mean NTSC - most later model VCRs bought in Australia DO play NTSC. Some may have a setting that needs changing but with the 3 VCRs I use, you just pop in and play NTSC videos. My VCRs were bought in the past 2 1/2 years. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Hi Jayne, It is the US NTSC version of videotapes that most Australian VCRs cannot play and unless you specify that you want a PAL version when you order from the US they will automatically send the NTSC type. Cheers Andrea At 10:15 AM 19/01/2004, jayne wrote: Not necessarily these days because most VCRs bought in Australia in the past couple of years also play PAL videos. Check your instruction booklet that came with the VCR if not sure. Regards Jayne If you order from the US you have to remember to order the PAL version, which will cost more Cheers Andrea At 12:58 PM 18/01/2004, Diane Gardner wrote: The video available on the http://www.waterbirth.orgwww.waterbirth.org site titled http://www.waterbirth.org/spa/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3 5Birth Into Being: The Russian Waterbirth Experience is well worth buying. I show it to all my couples during my classes. It depicts beautiful birth in both birthing pools and also in the Black Sea. I usually buy them in a pack of 10 and they work out much cheaper. I am about to place another order again if anyone is interested. I think if you buy them singly they are around US$40 plus postage but I can buy them and sell them for AU$50 incl. postage. Let me know and I will let you know when they arrive. Diane - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jen Semple To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Great resource... http://www.waterbirth.org/spa/content/view/72/87/http://www.waterbirth.or g/spa/content/view/72/87/ - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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To add my bit, ran into this very problem with a pregnancy yoga video, my In-laws could play it so tried to tape it, no way, it has security stuff on it to prevent you from doing so. Check before you buy, Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jayne Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2004 6:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Ooppps, I mean NTSC - most later model VCRs bought in Australia DO play NTSC. Some may have a setting that needs changing but with the 3 VCRs I use, you just pop in and play NTSC videos. My VCRs were bought in the past 2 1/2 years. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Hi Jayne, It is the US NTSC version of videotapes that most Australian VCRs cannot play and unless you specify that you want a PAL version when you order from the US they will automatically send the NTSC type. Cheers Andrea At 10:15 AM 19/01/2004, jayne wrote: Not necessarily these days because most VCRs bought in Australia in the past couple of years also play PAL videos. Check your instruction booklet that came with the VCR if not sure. Regards Jayne If you order from the US you have to remember to order the PAL version, which will cost more Cheers Andrea At 12:58 PM 18/01/2004, Diane Gardner wrote: The video available on the http://www.waterbirth.orgwww.waterbirth.org site titled http://www.waterbirth.org/spa/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3 5Birth Into Being: The Russian Waterbirth Experience is well worth buying. I show it to all my couples during my classes. It depicts beautiful birth in both birthing pools and also in the Black Sea. I usually buy them in a pack of 10 and they work out much cheaper. I am about to place another order again if anyone is interested. I think if you buy them singly they are around US$40 plus postage but I can buy them and sell them for AU$50 incl. postage. Let me know and I will let you know when they arrive. Diane - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jen Semple To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Great resource... http://www.waterbirth.org/spa/content/view/72/87/http://www.waterbirth.or g/spa/content/view/72/87/ - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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just to add to the confusion... I brought a couple of dozen tapes with me back from the US in July that were NTSC. Then bought a new VCR to play them all. I found that I had to make a small adjustment to my TV set settings as well to get a good picture colour but now all is fine Kirsten - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:39 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc To add my bit, ran into this very problem with a pregnancy yoga video, my In-laws could play it so tried to tape it, no way, it has security stuff on it to prevent you from doing so. Check before you buy, Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jayne Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2004 6:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Ooppps, I mean NTSC - most later model VCRs bought in Australia DO play NTSC. Some may have a setting that needs changing but with the 3 VCRs I use, you just pop in and play NTSC videos. My VCRs were bought in the past 2 1/2 years. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Hi Jayne, It is the US NTSC version of videotapes that most Australian VCRs cannot play and unless you specify that you want a PAL version when you order from the US they will automatically send the NTSC type. Cheers Andrea At 10:15 AM 19/01/2004, jayne wrote: Not necessarily these days because most VCRs bought in Australia in the past couple of years also play PAL videos. Check your instruction booklet that came with the VCR if not sure. Regards Jayne If you order from the US you have to remember to order the PAL version, which will cost more Cheers Andrea At 12:58 PM 18/01/2004, Diane Gardner wrote: The video available on the http://www.waterbirth.orgwww.waterbirth.org site titled http://www.waterbirth.org/spa/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3 5Birth Into Being: The Russian Waterbirth Experience is well worth buying. I show it to all my couples during my classes. It depicts beautiful birth in both birthing pools and also in the Black Sea. I usually buy them in a pack of 10 and they work out much cheaper. I am about to place another order again if anyone is interested. I think if you buy them singly they are around US$40 plus postage but I can buy them and sell them for AU$50 incl. postage. Let me know and I will let you know when they arrive. Diane - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jen Semple To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Great resource... http://www.waterbirth.org/spa/content/view/72/87/http://www.waterbirth.or g/spa/content/view/72/87/ - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
