Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
Hi Jo, I'm pretty sure she got the photo's from a cosmetic surgery site!! They were examples only, to give us a kind of idea of something to be aware of. I had never heard of this previously, and would also be interested to learn more. I could see what I can come up with, and post it on the list later, if you would like. I'll see if she can point me in the right direction. We go back to class in a couple of weeks, regards. Astra Quoting Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would be fascinated to see these pictures as it sounds a lot like what my breasts looked like before breastfeeding for the first time - which started EXTREMELY badly and took a very long time to get sorted out (8 weeks to turn a corner and know it would eventually get better, 3 months to start really settling down). Evidently I had enough glandular tissue for adequate supply but our issues were in large part to do with the physiological shape/structure of my breasts. At 8:44 AM +1000 14/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about this subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about it, and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester in a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted to contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants would have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their area of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a particular shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue inside the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal breast development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right up to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this type of tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the sternum, if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast was around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this infrormation was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but obviously we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this is new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware?? Anyway, I hope this helps, Regards, Astra Quoting Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
Hi Astra, What others have said is correct. Marked asymmetry of breasts; lack of breast tissue, together with a wide space between the breasts; as well as the tubular breasts with swollen-looking areolars are all red flags when it comes to being able to produce enough milk. However, as each woman is different, none of these are definitive, but they indicate that we need to closely monitor the baby for adequate intake. Whilst these women may not produce enough milk to satisfy their babies, they may be able to partially breastfeed. Are you able to get a copy of Breastfeeding and Human Lacation (Jan Riordan) for a look? Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' Hi Jo, I'm pretty sure she got the photo's from a cosmetic surgery site!! They were examples only, to give us a kind of idea of something to be aware of. I had never heard of this previously, and would also be interested to learn more. I could see what I can come up with, and post it on the list later, if you would like. I'll see if she can point me in the right direction. We go back to class in a couple of weeks, regards. Astra Quoting Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would be fascinated to see these pictures as it sounds a lot like what my breasts looked like before breastfeeding for the first time - which started EXTREMELY badly and took a very long time to get sorted out (8 weeks to turn a corner and know it would eventually get better, 3 months to start really settling down). Evidently I had enough glandular tissue for adequate supply but our issues were in large part to do with the physiological shape/structure of my breasts. At 8:44 AM +1000 14/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about this subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about it, and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester in a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted to contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants would have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their area of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a particular shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue inside the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal breast development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right up to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this type of tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the sternum, if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast was around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this infrormation was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but obviously we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this is new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware?? Anyway, I hope this helps, Regards, Astra Quoting Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about this subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about it, and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester in a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted to contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants would have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their area of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a particular shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue inside the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal breast development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right up to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this type of tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the sternum, if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast was around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this infrormation was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but obviously we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this is new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware?? Anyway, I hope this helps, Regards, Astra Quoting Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
Well for those who continue to say the list is working properly I have received this message bit have never seen another post on the subject from Kelly which I would be interested to read Andrea Q On 14/07/2006, at 8:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about this subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about it, and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester in a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted to contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants would have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their area of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a particular shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue inside the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal breast development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right up to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this type of tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the sternum, if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast was around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this infrormation was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but obviously we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this is new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware?? Anyway, I hope this helps, Regards, Astra Quoting Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
I would be fascinated to see these pictures as it sounds a lot like what my breasts looked like before breastfeeding for the first time - which started EXTREMELY badly and took a very long time to get sorted out (8 weeks to turn a corner and know it would eventually get better, 3 months to start really settling down). Evidently I had enough glandular tissue for adequate supply but our issues were in large part to do with the physiological shape/structure of my breasts. At 8:44 AM +1000 14/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about this subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about it, and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester in a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted to contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants would have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their area of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a particular shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue inside the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal breast development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right up to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this type of tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the sternum, if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast was around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this infrormation was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but obviously we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this is new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware?? Anyway, I hope this helps, Regards, Astra Quoting Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
'what everyone thought onthe topic'. that she is absolutely right it's a very under-diagnosed condition. Whenever a woman says: "oh my breasts didn't change at all with my pregnancy" the alarm bells should ring ! With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
Mine barely changed at all, in fact they shrank LOL plus I have PCOS which is meant to make you "at risk" for the glandular stuff. I've bfed 2 1/2 yrs so far : ) J - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' 'what everyone thought onthe topic'. that she is absolutely right it's a very under-diagnosed condition. Whenever a woman says: "oh my breasts didn't change at all with my pregnancy" the alarm bells should ring ! With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybellycom.au/birth-support
RE: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
Thanks Brenda, I was hoping to get an idea of how prevalent it really is as some sites say its rare and some say its not of course I wouldnt be the one to diagnose this, but what sort of symptoms or signs do you notice when this is the case? Of course I would refer a mum to a lactation consultant, but I just love any knowledge as you can tell LOL. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Friday, 7 July 2006 4:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' 'what everyone thought on the topic'. that she is absolutely right it's a very under-diagnosed condition. Whenever a woman says: oh my breasts didn't change at all with my pregnancy the alarm bells should ring ! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
It's great when there are exceptions to the rule. Makes us all realise we know absolutely nothing I don't really know why we bother With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' Mine barely changed at all, in fact they shrank LOL plus I have PCOS which is meant to make you "at risk" for the glandular stuff. I've bfed 2 1/2 yrs so far : ) J - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' 'what everyone thought onthe topic'. that she is absolutely right it's a very under-diagnosed condition. Whenever a woman says: "oh my breasts didn't change at all with my pregnancy" the alarm bells should ring ! With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybellycom.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
She posted the exact same post on my forums today too : ) - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the topic. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybellycom.au/birth-support
