Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[Joy Cocks]

Hi Astra,
What others have said is correct.  Marked asymmetry of breasts; lack of
breast tissue, together with a wide space between the breasts; as well as
the tubular breasts with swollen-looking areolars are all "red flags" when
it comes to being able to produce enough milk.  However, as each woman is
different, none of these are definitive, but they indicate that we need to
closely monitor the baby for adequate intake.  Whilst these women may not
produce enough milk to satisfy their babies, they may be able to partially
breastfeed.
Are you able to get a copy of "Breastfeeding and Human Lacation" (Jan
Riordan) for a look?
Regards,
Joy

Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC
BRIGHT Vic 3741
email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular
development in the breast'


Hi Jo, I'm pretty sure she got the photo's from a cosmetic surgery site!!
They
were examples only, to give us a kind of idea of something to be aware of. I
had never heard of this previously, and would also be interested to learn
more.
I could see what I can come up with, and post it on the list later, if you
would like. I'll see if she can point me in the right direction. We go back
to
class in a couple of weeks,
regards. Astra




Quoting Jo Bourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I would be fascinated to see these pictures as it sounds a lot like what
my
> breasts looked like before breastfeeding for the first time - which
started
> EXTREMELY badly and took a very long time to get sorted out (8 weeks to
turn
> a corner and know it would eventually get better, 3 months to start really
> settling down). Evidently I had enough glandular tissue for adequate
supply
> but our issues were in large part to do with the physiological
> shape/structure of my breasts.
> At 8:44 AM +1000 14/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much
about
> this
> >subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there
about
> it,
> >and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last
semester
> in
> >a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you
wanted
> to
> >contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in
some
> >detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but
what I
> >can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts
work
> >and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of
the
> >anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants
> would
> >have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their
> area
> >of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a
> particular
> >shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue
> inside
> >the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area
around
> >the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal
> breast
> >development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends
right
> up
> >to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this
> type of
> >tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape
(whether
> >small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the
> sternum,
> >if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many
of
> >the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the
breast
> was
> >around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of
this
> >shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate
> >desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this
> infrormation
> >was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but
> obviously
> >we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe
this
> is
> >new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were
unaware??
> >Anyway, I hope this helps,
> >Regards, Astra
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Quoting "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted
on
> >> my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought
on
> >> the topic.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746

Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[ajoynt]

Hi Jo, I'm pretty sure she got the photo's from a cosmetic surgery site!! They
were examples only, to give us a kind of idea of something to be aware of. I
had never heard of this previously, and would also be interested to learn more.
I could see what I can come up with, and post it on the list later, if you
would like. I'll see if she can point me in the right direction. We go back to
class in a couple of weeks,
regards. Astra




Quoting Jo Bourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I would be fascinated to see these pictures as it sounds a lot like what my
> breasts looked like before breastfeeding for the first time - which started
> EXTREMELY badly and took a very long time to get sorted out (8 weeks to turn
> a corner and know it would eventually get better, 3 months to start really
> settling down). Evidently I had enough glandular tissue for adequate supply
> but our issues were in large part to do with the physiological
> shape/structure of my breasts.
> At 8:44 AM +1000 14/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about
> this
> >subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about
> it,
> >and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester
> in
> >a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted
> to
> >contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some
> >detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I
> >can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work
> >and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the
> >anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants
> would
> >have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their
> area
> >of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a
> particular
> >shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue
> inside
> >the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around
> >the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal
> breast
> >development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right
> up
> >to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this
> type of
> >tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether
> >small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the
> sternum,
> >if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of
> >the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast
> was
> >around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this
> >shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate
> >desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this
> infrormation
> >was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but
> obviously
> >we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this
> is
> >new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware??
> >Anyway, I hope this helps,
> >Regards, Astra
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Quoting "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on
> >> my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on
> >> the topic.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Kelly Zantey
> >> Creator,   BellyBelly.com.au
> >> Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
> >>  
> >>  BellyBelly Birth Support -
> >> http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[Jo Bourne]

I would be fascinated to see these pictures as it sounds a lot like what my 
breasts looked like before breastfeeding for the first time - which started 
EXTREMELY badly and took a very long time to get sorted out (8 weeks to turn a 
corner and know it would eventually get better, 3 months to start really 
settling down). Evidently I had enough glandular tissue for adequate supply but 
our issues were in large part to do with the physiological shape/structure of 
my breasts.

At 8:44 AM +1000 14/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about this
>subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about it,
>and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester in
>a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted to
>contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some
>detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I
>can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work
>and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the
>anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants would
>have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their area
>of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a particular
>shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue inside
>the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around
>the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal breast
>development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right up
>to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this type 
>of
>tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether
>small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the sternum,
>if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of
>the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast was
>around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this
>shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate
>desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this infrormation
>was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but obviously
>we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this is
>new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware??
>Anyway, I hope this helps,
>Regards, Astra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Quoting "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on
>> my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on
>> the topic.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Kelly Zantey
>> Creator,   BellyBelly.com.au
>> Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
>>  
>>  BellyBelly Birth Support -
>> http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[Andrea Quanchi]

Well for those who continue to say the list is working properly I  
have received this message bit have never seen another post on the  
subject from Kelly which I would be interested to read

Andrea Q

On 14/07/2006, at 8:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know  
much about this
subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out  
there about it,
and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last  
semester in
a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you  
wanted to
contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was  
discussed in some
detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it,  
but what I
can recall is this: information and understanding about how the  
breasts work
and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our  
understanding of the
anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation  
consultants would
have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's  
their area
of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of  
a particular
shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the  
tissue inside
the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the  
area around
the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In  
normal breast
development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue  
extends right up
to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have  
this type of
tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape  
(whether
small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across  
the sternum,
if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast.  
In many of
the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of  
the breast was
around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts  
of this

shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate
desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this  
infrormation
was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for,  
but obviously
we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem.  
Maybe this is
new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were  
unaware??

Anyway, I hope this helps,
Regards, Astra















Quoting "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has  
posted on
my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone  
thought on

the topic.



http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator,   BellyBelly.com.au
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
 
 BellyBelly Birth  
Support -

http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support








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Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[ajoynt]

Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about this
subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about it,
and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester in
a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted to
contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some
detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I
can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work
and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the
anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants would
have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their area
of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a particular
shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue inside
the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around
the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal breast
development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right up
to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this type of
tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether
small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the sternum,
if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of
the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast was
around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this
shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate
desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this infrormation
was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but obviously
we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this is
new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware??
Anyway, I hope this helps,
Regards, Astra















Quoting "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on
> my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on
> the topic.
>
>
>
> http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kelly Zantey
> Creator,   BellyBelly.com.au
> Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
>  
>  BellyBelly Birth Support -
> http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
>
>
>
>



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Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[brendamanning]

It's great when there are 
exceptions to the rule.
Makes us all realise we 
know absolutely nothing & I don't really know why we bother 

 
With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation 
  failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
  
  Mine barely changed at all, in fact 
  they shrank LOL plus I have PCOS which is meant to make you "at risk" for the 
  glandular stuff. I've bfed 2 1/2 yrs so far : )
  J
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
brendamanning 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:11 
PM
    Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation 
failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

'what everyone 
thought onthe topic'.
that she is 
absolutely right & it's a very under-diagnosed condition.
 
Whenever a woman 
says: "oh my breasts didn't change at all with my pregnancy" the alarm bells 
should ring !
 
With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly 
  @ BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:49 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation 
  failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
  
  
  Does anyone have any 
  experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her 
  experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on the 
  topic.
   
  http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746
  Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, 
  BellyBelly.com.au 
  Gentle Solutions 
  From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
  Support - http://www.bellybellycom.au/birth-support
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

Thanks Brenda, I was hoping to get an idea
of how prevalent it really is as some sites say its rare and some say its not –
of course I wouldn’t be the one to diagnose this, but what sort of
symptoms or signs do you notice when this is the case? Of course I would refer
a mum to a lactation consultant, but I just love any knowledge as you can tell
LOL.

 



Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of brendamanning
Sent: Friday, 7 July 2006 4:12 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'



 



'what
everyone thought on
the topic'.





that she is
absolutely right & it's a very under-diagnosed condition.





 





Whenever a
woman says: "oh my breasts didn't change at all with my pregnancy"
the alarm bells should ring !





 





With kind regards
Brenda Manning 
www.themidwife.com.au







- Original Message - 





From: Kelly @
BellyBelly 





To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 





Sent: Friday, July 07,
2006 3:49 PM





Subject: [ozmidwifery]
'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'





 



Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman
has posted on my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone
thought on the topic.

 

http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746

Best
Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[Janet Fraser]

Mine barely changed at all, in fact 
they shrank LOL plus I have PCOS which is meant to make you "at risk" for the 
glandular stuff. I've bfed 2 1/2 yrs so far : )
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation 
  failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
  
  'what everyone thought 
  onthe topic'.
  that she is absolutely 
  right & it's a very under-diagnosed condition.
   
  Whenever a woman says: 
  "oh my breasts didn't change at all with my pregnancy" the alarm bells should 
  ring !
   
  With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Kelly @ 
BellyBelly 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:49 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation 
failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'


Does anyone have any experiences 
to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I 
was wondering what everyone thought on the 
topic.
 
http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746
Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, 
BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions 
From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
Support - http://www.bellybellycom.au/birth-support
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[brendamanning]

'what everyone thought 
onthe topic'.
that she is absolutely 
right & it's a very under-diagnosed condition.
 
Whenever a woman says: 
"oh my breasts didn't change at all with my pregnancy" the alarm bells should 
ring !
 
With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:49 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure 
  caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
  
  
  Does anyone have any experiences 
  to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I 
  was wondering what everyone thought on the topic.
   
  http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746
  Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, 
  BellyBelly.com.au 
  Gentle 
  Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
  Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[Janet Fraser]

She posted the exact same post on my 
forums today too : )

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:49 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure 
  caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
  
  
  Does anyone have any experiences 
  to share with this? A woman has posted on my site about her experience and I 
  was wondering what everyone thought on the topic.
   
  http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746
  Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, 
  BellyBelly.com.au 
  Gentle 
  Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
  Support - http://www.bellybellycom.au/birth-support