subject:"Re\: \[ozmidwifery\] Lotus Birth"

Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

2002-10-08 Thread Jan Robinson

On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jan wrote
> "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around lunch
> time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his placenta was
> born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's")
> 
> Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in the
> case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept with the
> baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely interested.
> 
> thankyou
> Megan.
> 
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Hello Megan
I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your information,
Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand
mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed
daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil on
the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful with
calendula cream that stopped it drying out.

Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's little bag
lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a special
sealed container with her photograph on the outside.

With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and
allowed to "drip dry"for an hour or two.
After that, Scott and I removed any blood clots from the maternal surface
and the placenta was wrapped in white chux towels that were changed
frequently during the first 24 hours. By that time the placenta had shrunk
dramatically to about one third it's original size and the cord had
shriveled too.

The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any
transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the next
few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very brittle as
all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see the two
arteries and the vein coursing through the clear, dry cord tissue.

On day four the brittle cord broke so that was the end of the Lotus
connection between AJ and his placenta. The small amount of cord stump
remained until he was a week old.

Scott and Rachel are waiting until AJ's umbilicus has completely sealed over
with new skin before he gets to shower with his father.

What a lucky baby AJ is - he could not have gotten off to a better start.
He goes for walks each day in the fresh air in his "Hug - a - bub" and after
that he usually spends the rest of the rather hot days we are having here in
Sydney reclining semi-naked on a bean bag. Nights are spent tucked in with
his mother and father.

Oh what a beautiful feeling to be so honoured to be involved with such a
special family.

Jan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

2002-10-08 Thread Vicki Chan

Love to you, Jan ... And love and warm wishes to Rachel and Scott... I
met them at Katoomba and again when Nic and I came for "Singing the
Bones"...Blessings, Vicki

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jan Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Shivam Rachana
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jan wrote
> "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around 
> lunch time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his 
> placenta was born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was 
> Stella's")
> 
> Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in 
> the case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept

> with the baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am 
> genuinely interested.
> 
> thankyou
> Megan.
> 
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Hello Megan
I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your information,
Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand
mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed
daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil
on the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful
with calendula cream that stopped it drying out.

Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's little
bag lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a
special sealed container with her photograph on the outside.

With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and
allowed to "drip dry"for an hour or two. After that, Scott and I removed
any blood clots from the maternal surface and the placenta was wrapped
in white chux towels that were changed frequently during the first 24
hours. By that time the placenta had shrunk dramatically to about one
third it's original size and the cord had shriveled too.

The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any
transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the
next few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very
brittle as all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see
the two arteries and the vein coursing through the clear, dry cord
tissue.

On day four the brittle cord broke so that was the end of the Lotus
connection between AJ and his placenta. The small amount of cord stump
remained until he was a week old.

Scott and Rachel are waiting until AJ's umbilicus has completely sealed
over with new skin before he gets to shower with his father.

What a lucky baby AJ is - he could not have gotten off to a better
start. He goes for walks each day in the fresh air in his "Hug - a -
bub" and after that he usually spends the rest of the rather hot days we
are having here in Sydney reclining semi-naked on a bean bag. Nights are
spent tucked in with his mother and father.

Oh what a beautiful feeling to be so honoured to be involved with such a
special family.

Jan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

2002-10-09 Thread Larry & Megan

Thankyou Jan,
I appreciate how busy you are.
It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus birth is
a beautiful gift for a baby born still.
We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries and
vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see.
If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know what
the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby, in
regards to the placenta?

thanks again
Megan.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:30
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Shivam Rachana
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jan wrote
> "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around
lunch
> time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his placenta was
> born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's")
>
> Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in the
> case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept with
the
> baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely
interested.
>
> thankyou
> Megan.
>
> --
> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.
> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Hello Megan
I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your information,
Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand
mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed
daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil on
the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful with
calendula cream that stopped it drying out.

Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's little bag
lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a special
sealed container with her photograph on the outside.

With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and
allowed to "drip dry"for an hour or two.
After that, Scott and I removed any blood clots from the maternal surface
and the placenta was wrapped in white chux towels that were changed
frequently during the first 24 hours. By that time the placenta had shrunk
dramatically to about one third it's original size and the cord had
shriveled too.

The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any
transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the next
few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very brittle as
all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see the two
arteries and the vein coursing through the clear, dry cord tissue.

On day four the brittle cord broke so that was the end of the Lotus
connection between AJ and his placenta. The small amount of cord stump
remained until he was a week old.

Scott and Rachel are waiting until AJ's umbilicus has completely sealed over
with new skin before he gets to shower with his father.

What a lucky baby AJ is - he could not have gotten off to a better start.
He goes for walks each day in the fresh air in his "Hug - a - bub" and after
that he usually spends the rest of the rather hot days we are having here in
Sydney reclining semi-naked on a bean bag. Nights are spent tucked in with
his mother and father.

Oh what a beautiful feeling to be so honoured to be involved with such a
special family.

Jan

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

2002-10-09 Thread Kirsten Blacker


Often the placenta of a stillborn baby goes to pathology for examination to
try and find a cause for the FDIU

Kirsten


- Original Message -
From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:22 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth


> Thankyou Jan,
> I appreciate how busy you are.
> It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus birth
is
> a beautiful gift for a baby born still.
> We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries and
> vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see.
> If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know what
> the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby, in
> regards to the placenta?
>
> thanks again
> Megan.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:30
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Shivam Rachana
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
>
>
> On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jan wrote
> > "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around
> lunch
> > time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his placenta
was
> > born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's")
> >
> > Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in the
> > case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept with
> the
> > baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely
> interested.
> >
> > thankyou
> > Megan.
> >
> > --
> > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.
> > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
>
> Hello Megan
> I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your information,
> Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand
> mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed
> daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil on
> the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful with
> calendula cream that stopped it drying out.
>
> Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's little
bag
> lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a special
> sealed container with her photograph on the outside.
>
> With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and
> allowed to "drip dry"for an hour or two.
> After that, Scott and I removed any blood clots from the maternal surface
> and the placenta was wrapped in white chux towels that were changed
> frequently during the first 24 hours. By that time the placenta had shrunk
> dramatically to about one third it's original size and the cord had
> shriveled too.
>
> The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any
> transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the next
> few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very brittle
as
> all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see the two
> arteries and the vein coursing through the clear, dry cord tissue.
>
> On day four the brittle cord broke so that was the end of the Lotus
> connection between AJ and his placenta. The small amount of cord stump
> remained until he was a week old.
>
> Scott and Rachel are waiting until AJ's umbilicus has completely sealed
over
> with new skin before he gets to shower with his father.
>
> What a lucky baby AJ is - he could not have gotten off to a better start.
> He goes for walks each day in the fresh air in his "Hug - a - bub" and
after
> that he usually spends the rest of the rather hot days we are having here
in
> Sydney reclining semi-naked on a bean bag. Nights are spent tucked in with
> his mother and father.
>
> Oh what a beautiful feeling to be so honoured to be involved with such a
> special family.
>
> Jan
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

2002-10-09 Thread Lynne Staff


For those births I have been there for, it was what the mother wished - I
still ask them about what they want to do for the labour and the birth,
their wishes for the baby. the placenta and afterwards. I have worked with
some strong women giving birth to stillborn babes, and their partners too. I
find it incredible how the women do what they need to do for their babe to
be born, when they know that their babe is not going to open its eyes, take
a breath, stretch and explore its space, once born, nuzzle at the breast.

For those of you who know me, I talk about smelling the baby about 20-40
minutes before it can be seen and if I don't smell anything, the baby isn't
coming out without some help - can't explain it - it just happens (and it's
not liquor, blood, vaginal mucus). The last birth I was at where we knew the
babe had been dead for a few days prior to the birth, I could still smell
him, and it surprised me - I don't know what I was expecting in this case,
but I was crouched next to the woman on the floor and that beautiful (but
beyond description) smell came to me and I knew he would be there soon. I
told the mother and father - she was scared to give birth to him - I think
we have all seen women hugging their baby inside them, knowing that while
they are inside still, no-one can get to the babe and it is still "theirs",
and maybe, just maybe, it will be alive..and when I told her I could
smell the baby, she nodded and quietly said to me "OK, my son - it's time
for me to meet you"
- Original Message -
From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:22 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth


> Thankyou Jan,
> I appreciate how busy you are.
> It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus birth
is
> a beautiful gift for a baby born still.
> We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries and
> vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see.
> If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know what
> the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby, in
> regards to the placenta?
>
> thanks again
> Megan.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:30
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Shivam Rachana
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
>
>
> On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jan wrote
> > "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around
> lunch
> > time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his placenta
was
> > born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's")
> >
> > Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in the
> > case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept with
> the
> > baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely
> interested.
> >
> > thankyou
> > Megan.
> >
> > --
> > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.
> > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
>
> Hello Megan
> I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your information,
> Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand
> mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed
> daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil on
> the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful with
> calendula cream that stopped it drying out.
>
> Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's little
bag
> lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a special
> sealed container with her photograph on the outside.
>
> With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and
> allowed to "drip dry"for an hour or two.
> After that, Scott and I removed any blood clots from the maternal surface
> and the placenta was wrapped in white chux towels that were changed
> frequently during the first 24 hours. By that time the placenta had shrunk
> dramatically to about one third it's original size and the cord had
> shriveled too.
>
> The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any
> transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the next
> few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very brittle
as
> all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see the two
> arteries and the vein coursing through the cle

Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

2002-10-09 Thread Jan Robinson


On 10/10/02 12:31 AM, "Kirsten Blacker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Often the placenta of a stillborn baby goes to pathology for examination to
> try and find a cause for the FDIU
> 
> Kirsten
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
> 
> 
>> Thankyou Jan,
>> I appreciate how busy you are.
>> It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus birth
> is
>> a beautiful gift for a baby born still.
>> We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries and
>> vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see.
>> If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know what
>> the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby, in
>> regards to the placenta?
>> 
>> thanks again
>> Megan.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Robinson
>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:30
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Cc: Shivam Rachana
>> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Jan wrote
>>> "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around
>> lunch
>>> time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his placenta
> was
>>> born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's")
>>> 
>>> Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in the
>>> case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept with
>> the
>>> baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely
>> interested.
>>> 
>>> thankyou
>>> Megan.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.
>>> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
>> 
>> Hello Megan
>> I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your information,
>> Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand
>> mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed
>> daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil on
>> the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful with
>> calendula cream that stopped it drying out.
>> 
>> Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's little
> bag
>> lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a special
>> sealed container with her photograph on the outside.
>> 
>> With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and
>> allowed to "drip dry"for an hour or two.
>> After that, Scott and I removed any blood clots from the maternal surface
>> and the placenta was wrapped in white chux towels that were changed
>> frequently during the first 24 hours. By that time the placenta had shrunk
>> dramatically to about one third it's original size and the cord had
>> shriveled too.
>> 
>> The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any
>> transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the next
>> few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very brittle
> as
>> all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see the two
>> arteries and the vein coursing through the clear, dry cord tissue.
>> 
>> On day four the brittle cord broke so that was the end of the Lotus
>> connection between AJ and his placenta. The small amount of cord stump
>> remained until he was a week old.
>> 
>> Scott and Rachel are waiting until AJ's umbilicus has completely sealed
> over
>> with new skin before he gets to shower with his father.
>> 
>> What a lucky baby AJ is - he could not have gotten off to a better start.
>> He goes for walks each day in the fresh air in his "Hug - a - bub" and
> after
>> that he usually spends the rest of the rather hot days we are having here
> in
>> Sydney reclining semi-naked on a bean bag. Nights are spent tucked in with
>> his mother and father.
>> 
>> Oh what a beautiful feeling to be so honoured to be involved with such a
>> special family.
>> 
>> Jan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Dear Megan
With Stella we took samples from the placenta for investigations and also
blood samples from her mother - Neither showed anything unusual.
Jan

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

2002-10-10 Thread Lynne Staff


Andrea told me a couple of years ago that Beatrix Smulders can too. It took
me a long time to tell anyone for fear they would think I was...well, you
know! One of the obs I work with says he thinks he can nearly smell it
too
- Original Message -
From: "Sally Westbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:42 AM
Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth


> Hi Lynne,
>
> You absolutely startled me. I thought I was the only one!! I smell
> babies and know they are coming in a very similar time frame. It is an
> astonishing experience and a gift.
>
> Love Sally
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff
> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 5:40 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
>
> For those births I have been there for, it was what the mother wished -
> I
> still ask them about what they want to do for the labour and the birth,
> their wishes for the baby. the placenta and afterwards. I have worked
> with
> some strong women giving birth to stillborn babes, and their partners
> too. I
> find it incredible how the women do what they need to do for their babe
> to
> be born, when they know that their babe is not going to open its eyes,
> take
> a breath, stretch and explore its space, once born, nuzzle at the
> breast.
>
> For those of you who know me, I talk about smelling the baby about 20-40
> minutes before it can be seen and if I don't smell anything, the baby
> isn't
> coming out without some help - can't explain it - it just happens (and
> it's
> not liquor, blood, vaginal mucus). The last birth I was at where we knew
> the
> babe had been dead for a few days prior to the birth, I could still
> smell
> him, and it surprised me - I don't know what I was expecting in this
> case,
> but I was crouched next to the woman on the floor and that beautiful
> (but
> beyond description) smell came to me and I knew he would be there soon.
> I
> told the mother and father - she was scared to give birth to him - I
> think
> we have all seen women hugging their baby inside them, knowing that
> while
> they are inside still, no-one can get to the babe and it is still
> "theirs",
> and maybe, just maybe, it will be alive..and when I told her I could
> smell the baby, she nodded and quietly said to me "OK, my son - it's
> time
> for me to meet you"
> - Original Message -
> From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:22 PM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
>
>
> > Thankyou Jan,
> > I appreciate how busy you are.
> > It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus
> birth
> is
> > a beautiful gift for a baby born still.
> > We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries
> and
> > vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see.
> > If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know
> what
> > the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby,
> in
> > regards to the placenta?
> >
> > thanks again
> > Megan.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Robinson
> > Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:30
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: Shivam Rachana
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
> >
> >
> > On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Jan wrote
> > > "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water
> around
> > lunch
> > > time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his
> placenta
> was
> > > born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's")
> > >
> > > Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in
> the
> > > case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept
> with
> > the
> > > baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely
> > interested.
> > >
> > > thankyou
> > > Megan.
> > >
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> > Hello Megan
> > I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your
> information,
> > Stella's place

Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

2002-10-10 Thread Robin Moon


I cant smell, but I do have a brilliant sense of intuition for the same
issues.
Could this maybe be related in some way? Is this ( smelling) a learn-ed
response  to our heightened abilities
to forsee the immediate future ?
In a similar vein, I can ' tell' without laying a finger on a women whether
she is going to make it through her labour without c/s or excessive
intervention. I can also 'tell'  how dilated a woman is without touching
her. Sometimes I think this is more of a spiritual awareness of the whole
process than  simply years of experience. Or maybe i'm just full-of-it and
just guess lucky.

I'm so intrigued.

Robin


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From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth


> Andrea told me a couple of years ago that Beatrix Smulders can too. It
took
> me a long time to tell anyone for fear they would think I was...well, you
> know! One of the obs I work with says he thinks he can nearly smell it
> too
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sally Westbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:42 AM
> Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
>
>
> > Hi Lynne,
> >
> > You absolutely startled me. I thought I was the only one!! I smell
> > babies and know they are coming in a very similar time frame. It is an
> > astonishing experience and a gift.
> >
> > Love Sally
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 5:40 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
> >
> > For those births I have been there for, it was what the mother wished -
> > I
> > still ask them about what they want to do for the labour and the birth,
> > their wishes for the baby. the placenta and afterwards. I have worked
> > with
> > some strong women giving birth to stillborn babes, and their partners
> > too. I
> > find it incredible how the women do what they need to do for their babe
> > to
> > be born, when they know that their babe is not going to open its eyes,
> > take
> > a breath, stretch and explore its space, once born, nuzzle at the
> > breast.
> >
> > For those of you who know me, I talk about smelling the baby about 20-40
> > minutes before it can be seen and if I don't smell anything, the baby
> > isn't
> > coming out without some help - can't explain it - it just happens (and
> > it's
> > not liquor, blood, vaginal mucus). The last birth I was at where we knew
> > the
> > babe had been dead for a few days prior to the birth, I could still
> > smell
> > him, and it surprised me - I don't know what I was expecting in this
> > case,
> > but I was crouched next to the woman on the floor and that beautiful
> > (but
> > beyond description) smell came to me and I knew he would be there soon.
> > I
> > told the mother and father - she was scared to give birth to him - I
> > think
> > we have all seen women hugging their baby inside them, knowing that
> > while
> > they are inside still, no-one can get to the babe and it is still
> > "theirs",
> > and maybe, just maybe, it will be alive..and when I told her I could
> > smell the baby, she nodded and quietly said to me "OK, my son - it's
> > time
> > for me to meet you"
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:22 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
> >
> >
> > > Thankyou Jan,
> > > I appreciate how busy you are.
> > > It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus
> > birth
> > is
> > > a beautiful gift for a baby born still.
> > > We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries
> > and
> > > vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see.
> > > If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know
> > what
> > > the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby,
> > in
> > > regards to the placenta?
> > >
> > > thanks again
> > > Megan.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Rob

Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth

2002-10-14 Thread Jan Robinson


On 8/10/02 9:05 PM, "Vicki Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Love to you, Jan ... And love and warm wishes to Rachel and Scott... I
> met them at Katoomba and again when Nic and I came for "Singing the
> Bones"...Blessings, Vicki
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jan Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Shivam Rachana
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
> 
> 
> On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Jan wrote
>> "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around
>> lunch time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his
>> placenta was born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was
>> Stella's")
>> 
>> Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in
>> the case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept
> 
>> with the baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am
>> genuinely interested.
>> 
>> thankyou
>> Megan.
>> 
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> 
> Hello Megan
> I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your information,
> Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand
> mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed
> daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil
> on the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful
> with calendula cream that stopped it drying out.
> 
> Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's little
> bag lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a
> special sealed container with her photograph on the outside.
> 
> With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and
> allowed to "drip dry"for an hour or two. After that, Scott and I removed
> any blood clots from the maternal surface and the placenta was wrapped
> in white chux towels that were changed frequently during the first 24
> hours. By that time the placenta had shrunk dramatically to about one
> third it's original size and the cord had shriveled too.
> 
> The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any
> transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the
> next few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very
> brittle as all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see
> the two arteries and the vein coursing through the clear, dry cord
> tissue.
> 
> On day four the brittle cord broke so that was the end of the Lotus
> connection between AJ and his placenta. The small amount of cord stump
> remained until he was a week old.
> 
> Scott and Rachel are waiting until AJ's umbilicus has completely sealed
> over with new skin before he gets to shower with his father.
> 
> What a lucky baby AJ is - he could not have gotten off to a better
> start. He goes for walks each day in the fresh air in his "Hug - a -
> bub" and after that he usually spends the rest of the rather hot days we
> are having here in Sydney reclining semi-naked on a bean bag. Nights are
> spent tucked in with his mother and father.
> 
> Oh what a beautiful feeling to be so honoured to be involved with such a
> special family.
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
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Dear Vicki
Rachel and  Scott have some great video footage of her lotus waterbirth.
Are you still looking for stuff?
Love
Jan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth

2002-12-02 Thread Robyn Thompson





 
Sarah is a GP who has had 4 
homebirths and writes wonderful articles, she has written quite a lot about 
Lotus Birth.  Good Luck
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  Hi fellow listers, 
      
  Where can I find information on Lotus Birth? is there any dangers? what are 
  the implications for the mother/child? I've heard of them and I'd love some 
  more info. Sounds really spiritual and karmic.  
   Thankyou for yet again feeding my curiosity. 
  Julie'',
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth

2002-12-02 Thread Andrea Bilcliff




Julie,
There is a book compiled by Shivam Rachana called "Lotus 
Birth" that has lots of info & stories. It's available to buy through Birth 
International (Ace Graphics).
Hope that helps.
Andrea Bilcliff

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie Garratt 

  
  Hi fellow listers, 
      
  Where can I find information on Lotus Birth? is there any dangers? what are 
  the implications for the mother/child? I've heard of them and I'd love some 
  more info. Sounds really spiritual and karmic.  
   Thankyou for yet again feeding my curiosity. 
Julie'',

Re: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth

2002-12-03 Thread rem & melissa bruijn

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth



Hi, Julie...there is a lot of info on the Birthlove website (www.birthlove.com). It is a pay site - not v expensive, and SO worthwhile - heaps of info on it.  Leilah McCracken, who runs it, has 8 kids : the first 5 hospital births, incl one c/sec, and the rest home births (last one unassisted).  I also think Sarah Buckley has done some articles about it...in fact I think it is her articles on the Birthlove website.  Hope that helps, 

Melissa (who is supposed to have unsubscribed to Ozmid but was just taking one last peak!)

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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 1:25 PM


Hi fellow listers, 
 
Where can I find information on Lotus Birth? is there any dangers? what are the implications for the mother/child? I've heard of them and I'd love some more info. Sounds really spiritual and karmic.  
 
 Thankyou for yet again feeding my curiosity. Julie'',



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RE: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth

2002-12-03 Thread Jane Palmer

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth



Dear 
Julie
 
I have 
an article on my website about lotus birth by Sarah Buckley - thought you 
might be interested. Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au/Lotus_birth.htm
 
Cheers
 
Jane
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Re: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth

2002-12-04 Thread Julie Garratt

Thankyou Jane, I've added your site to my favourites. I will read the rest when I have more time.     Julie'',       .    - Original Message - From: Jane Palmer Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2002 8:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth    Dear Julie   I have an article on my website about lotus birth by Sarah Buckley - thought you might be interested. Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au/Lotus_birth.htm   Cheers   Jane Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-18 Thread jo









Hi Anne,

 

I coordinate Homebirth Access Sydney and
our last issue of Birthings magazine focused on Lotus Birth. It has a few birth
stories in it and other information regarding the practice, how to care for the
placenta, the reasons why women choose this option etc. I do have a few copies
left so if you would like me to send you one just email me your address and I’ll
pop it in the post.

 

You may also like to try

 

www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_lotus_birth.pdf

 

www.humantransformation.com.au

 

 

Good luck

 

Jo









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Anne Peter Moore
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005
8:30 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth



 



There has been discussion on a committee I am involved with
regarding the practice of Lotus Birth and whether women should be
"allowed" this, I am familiar with this practice but a couple
of issues were raised  :





 What evidence is available to support this practice ?





Why do women choose to do this?





 Is there an increased risk of infection etc ?





When will the cord/placenta separate? 





I believe in informed choice and I am keen to present this
in an evidenced based manner to allow women the choice.I have my own experience
and thoughts but additional research/ evidence would be appreciated.





Many Thanks Anne





Brisbane.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-18 Thread Belinda

There is nothing but empirical evidence that i know of. There are some 
good web sites that give great stories around this issue by women who 
have had lotus births. There is also a book that Tania S might be able 
to talk more about.
I believe it is to do with womens beliefs around the spiritual 
connection a baby has with the placenta and the gentle way of separation 
from it. the placenta is drained initially by sitting it in a sieve then 
you put salt and lavender in generous quantities. it is then placed in a 
bag or wrapped in a nappy and put in a special bag that is later a 
keepsake. It takes about three to four days to separate although like 
cords this is variable.
I have a woman who is choosing this and it is intimately tied to her 
need to heal from the trauma of her first birth and her complete lack of 
control over the way the placenta birthed.
I have real issues with always having to find evidence to 'allow' women 
anything just ask where the evidence is for continuous monitoring or 
traceviews etc... if only these were taken away until evidence of its 
benefits were found..

Belinda

Anne Peter Moore wrote:

There has been discussion on a committee I am involved with regarding 
the practice of Lotus Birth and whether women should be "allowed" 
this, I am familiar with this practice but a couple of issues were 
raised  :

 What evidence is available to support this practice ?
Why do women choose to do this?
 Is there an increased risk of infection etc ?
When will the cord/placenta separate?
I believe in informed choice and I am keen to present this in an 
evidenced based manner to allow women the choice.I have my own 
experience and thoughts but additional research/ evidence would be 
appreciated.

Many Thanks Anne
Brisbane.



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RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-18 Thread wump fish

We should have evidence to back up any intervention we offer ie. active 
third stage and cutting the cord. It could be argued that a Lotus Birth is 
not an intervention, because essentially it involves  doing nothing. So, I 
guess the onus is on the counter arguement to demonstrate that alternative 
interventions improve outcomes.

Rachel



From: "Anne Peter Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: 
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:30:14 +1000

There has been discussion on a committee I am involved with regarding the 
practice of Lotus Birth and whether women should be "allowed" this, I am 
familiar with this practice but a couple of issues were raised  :

 What evidence is available to support this practice ?
Why do women choose to do this?
 Is there an increased risk of infection etc ?
When will the cord/placenta separate?
I believe in informed choice and I am keen to present this in an evidenced 
based manner to allow women the choice.I have my own experience and 
thoughts but additional research/ evidence would be appreciated.

Many Thanks Anne
Brisbane.


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-18 Thread Janet Fraser




I'm planning to put lotus 
birth on my list of "must haves" for my next birth in case of hospital transfer. 
I've heard of a few women getting LB after c-secs because the hospy assumed it 
was a religious custom and didn't challenge it. For me, were I unfortunate 
enuogh to have a c-sec, it would be the only way to ensure my child had really 
finished with their placenta. Whether or not we maintained a true lotus 
transition or not, it would cushion the blow for our baby. Lots of women on 
Natural Parenting have done it and there is a lot of info and discussion there 
around it.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Anne Peter Moore 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:30 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth
  
  There has been discussion on a committee I am 
  involved with regarding the practice of Lotus Birth and whether women should 
  be "allowed" this, I am familiar with this practice but a couple 
  of issues were raised  :
   What evidence is available to support this 
  practice ?
  Why do women choose to do this?
   Is there an increased risk of infection etc 
  ?
  When will the cord/placenta separate? 
  
  I believe in informed choice and I am keen to 
  present this in an evidenced based manner to allow women the choice.I have my 
  own experience and thoughts but additional 
  research/ evidence would be appreciated.
  Many Thanks Anne
  Brisbane.

RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-18 Thread Tania Smallwood

Here here Belinda!  This notion that anyone has the right to "allow" or
"disallow" women to do or not do anything when it comes to their birth, is
just not cricket!

Before we start debating the semantics of lotus birth, we need to all be
going in to bat for women and their right to birth the way they need and
want to.  If this means wearing a polka dotted clown suit, or singing Dixie
at the top of her voice, (or God forbid, not cutting the cord), and that's
what she truly needs to be able to birth in her own way, then we need to
respect that!  

Now that's enough from me for tonight...

Tania
Xx

PS  I have a copy of Shivam Rachana's Lotus Birth book, very interesting,
lots of gorgeous photos, and certainly made me think twice before cutting
the cord of my babies, we ended up leaving it for a few hours and then it
just seemed right for us to cut, but I can see how and why for some families
it just seems right to leave it.  A bit like birth, if all's well, leave
well alone...



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RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-18 Thread Vedrana Valčić

Just being curious, does anyone know what other mammals do? I suppose they cut 
the cord with their teeth, but I don't know when.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania Smallwood
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:34 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

Here here Belinda!  This notion that anyone has the right to "allow" or
"disallow" women to do or not do anything when it comes to their birth, is
just not cricket!

Before we start debating the semantics of lotus birth, we need to all be
going in to bat for women and their right to birth the way they need and
want to.  If this means wearing a polka dotted clown suit, or singing Dixie
at the top of her voice, (or God forbid, not cutting the cord), and that's
what she truly needs to be able to birth in her own way, then we need to
respect that!  

Now that's enough from me for tonight...

Tania
Xx

PS  I have a copy of Shivam Rachana's Lotus Birth book, very interesting,
lots of gorgeous photos, and certainly made me think twice before cutting
the cord of my babies, we ended up leaving it for a few hours and then it
just seemed right for us to cut, but I can see how and why for some families
it just seems right to leave it.  A bit like birth, if all's well, leave
well alone...

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-18 Thread Catherine Pearson


Hello all,
Just thought I'd let you know that in my limited experience, my beagle 
recently had pups (her first) and she nawed off the cord almost immediately 
after the birth of each pup.No dramatic haemorrhages, infections were 
noticed ! Also, a friend of mine just had her fourth daughter ( a home 
birth ) and chose to have a lotus birth. She told me the placenta separated 
on day 3, no problems. As for why, she said she was just curious to see how 
this baby's transition into extrauterine life would be.

Catherine Pearson.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vedrana Valčić" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth


Just being curious, does anyone know what other mammals do? I suppose they 
cut the cord with their teeth, but I don't know when.




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-18 Thread Andrea Quanchi

I cant imagine any animal doing this as it would be too dangerous. A 
dragging placenta would attract to many predators and one sitting in a 
nest or a den would be attractive to flies etc which would bring their 
own problems.



Andrea Quanchi
On 18/10/2005, at 11:01 PM, Vedrana Valčić wrote:

Just being curious, does anyone know what other mammals do? I suppose 
they cut the cord with their teeth, but I don't know when.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania 
Smallwood

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:34 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

Here here Belinda!  This notion that anyone has the right to "allow" or
"disallow" women to do or not do anything when it comes to their 
birth, is

just not cricket!

Before we start debating the semantics of lotus birth, we need to all 
be
going in to bat for women and their right to birth the way they need 
and
want to.  If this means wearing a polka dotted clown suit, or singing 
Dixie
at the top of her voice, (or God forbid, not cutting the cord), and 
that's
what she truly needs to be able to birth in her own way, then we need 
to

respect that!

Now that's enough from me for tonight...

Tania
Xx

PS  I have a copy of Shivam Rachana's Lotus Birth book, very 
interesting,
lots of gorgeous photos, and certainly made me think twice before 
cutting
the cord of my babies, we ended up leaving it for a few hours and then 
it
just seemed right for us to cut, but I can see how and why for some 
families
it just seems right to leave it.  A bit like birth, if all's well, 
leave

well alone...



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-19 Thread Joy Cocks

I might be wrong, but I think many mammals eat the placenta.  I'm trying to
remember from when my family had goats when I was a young girl.  I certainly
remember being absolutely fascinated watching a goat give birth even though
my parents tried to tear me away - I couldn't do anything but watch!
Joy

Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC
BRIGHT Vic 3741
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From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 14:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth


I cant imagine any animal doing this as it would be too dangerous. A
dragging placenta would attract to many predators and one sitting in a
nest or a den would be attractive to flies etc which would bring their
own problems.


Andrea Quanchi
On 18/10/2005, at 11:01 PM, Vedrana Valčić wrote:

> Just being curious, does anyone know what other mammals do? I suppose
> they cut the cord with their teeth, but I don't know when.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania
> Smallwood
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:34 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth
>
> Here here Belinda!  This notion that anyone has the right to "allow" or
> "disallow" women to do or not do anything when it comes to their
> birth, is
> just not cricket!
>
> Before we start debating the semantics of lotus birth, we need to all
> be
> going in to bat for women and their right to birth the way they need
> and
> want to.  If this means wearing a polka dotted clown suit, or singing
> Dixie
> at the top of her voice, (or God forbid, not cutting the cord), and
> that's
> what she truly needs to be able to birth in her own way, then we need
> to
> respect that!
>
> Now that's enough from me for tonight...
>
> Tania
> Xx
>
> PS  I have a copy of Shivam Rachana's Lotus Birth book, very
> interesting,
> lots of gorgeous photos, and certainly made me think twice before
> cutting
> the cord of my babies, we ended up leaving it for a few hours and then
> it
> just seemed right for us to cut, but I can see how and why for some
> families
> it just seems right to leave it.  A bit like birth, if all's well,
> leave
> well alone...
>
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth

2005-10-19 Thread Tina Pettigrew




Hi everyone,
as a midwifery student, one of the women I followed 
thru planned a lotus birth at home thru water...as her birth unfolded, she 
required transfer to hospital and an em luscs, but we still managed to negotiate 
with a very curious O&G registar for her to have a lotus birth c/s.the 
c/s went well and the placenta was the 'neatest' c/s placentaI have ever 
seen...the reg taking great carehowever what was disappointing was that the 
midwives on the PN floor caring for the woman afterwards refused to care for and 
her baby unless the placenta still attached to the baby was put in one of those 
yellow 'hazardous waste bags'yes believe it or not!! The woman had the 
placenta in a handmade velvet bag and it was not 'exposed'...we had salted the 
placenta, but still staff refusedso day 2 (<48 hours post c/s) the 
woman's midwife and I took her home and continued her recovery 
there..
 
Yours in reforming midwifery
Tina Pettigrew.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robyn Dempsey 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:07 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth
  
  I have attended several women choosing lotus 
  birth. We've had no infections, and no problems. The hardest time seems to be 
  the first 24hours as mum gets use to handling bub with the cord 
  attached.
  The cord goes tough like a piece of wire, so it's 
  good to bend it to a more manageable angle for breastfeeding.
  Lotus birth allows for a very special time 
  indeedit makes mummy rest and stops the 'pass the parcel' of the baby ( 
  relatives usually aren't keen to handle bub and placenta).
  It is every woman's right to give birth where, 
  how  and with whom they choose.
   
  Now for the caregiver..recently I waited 
  8 hours for a placenta, as the mother was choosing lotus birth, which means no 
  synto, no cord clamp and NO fiddling with the fundus or cord. I can cope with 
  this , can you?
   
  On another note.animals are smart, they eat 
  the cord and placenta not only to ward off predators as Andrea said, but to 
  replace all the goodies/nutrients they may have lost from the birth. It's 
  interesting to note that when my guinea pigs give birth, if one of the babies 
  has something wrong, or has died, the mother doesn't eat that cord and 
  placenta. Aren't they just amazing how they 'know'!
   
  Cheers
  Robyn 
Dempsey

Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-19 Thread Anne Peter Moore

Thankyou everyone I will gather all the information etc and present this in 
the forum.The priority is the woman and her right to choose, I have attended 
women at a home LB with no problems, but unfortunatly in my position and 
this environment  I need to make  sure that they have no reason to implement 
unacceplble guidelines on the women,

Many Thanks,
Anne
- Original Message - 
From: "Kathy McCarthy-Bushby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Ozmidwifery" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth






Hi  Anne,
There is a book on lotus birth called "Lotus Birth" compiled by Shivam
Rachana, Greenwood Press, Steeds Creek, Australia, 2000. I think i got my
copy from acegraphics. The book covers some information on medical 
evidence

with articles by Dr. Sarah Buckley "Leaving well alone. A natural approach
to the third stage of labour" as well as some story telling by women who
chose lotus birth and that's what i call women's evidence. Both forms of
evidence as just as valid as each other.
cheers
kathy
- Original Message -

From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth


> Hi Anne,
>
>
>
> I coordinate Homebirth Access Sydney and our last issue of Birthings
> magazine focused on Lotus Birth. It has a few birth stories in it and
other
> information regarding the practice, how to care for the placenta, the
> reasons why women choose this option etc. I do have a few copies left 
> so

if
> you would like me to send you one just email me your address and I'll

pop

it
> in the post.
>
>
>
> You may also like to try
>
>
>
> www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_
> <http://www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_lotus_birth.pdf>

lotus_birth.pdf

>
>
>
> www.humantransformation.com.au <http://www.humantransformation.com.au/>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> Jo
>
>   _
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Peter
Moore
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 8:30 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth
>
>
>
> There has been discussion on a committee I am involved with regarding

the
> practice of Lotus Birth and whether women should be "allowed" this, I 
> am

> familiar with this practice but a couple of issues were raised  :
>
>  What evidence is available to support this practice ?
>
> Why do women choose to do this?
>
>  Is there an increased risk of infection etc ?
>
> When will the cord/placenta separate?
>
> I believe in informed choice and I am keen to present this in an

evidenced

> based manner to allow women the choice.I have my own experience and
thoughts
> but additional research/ evidence would be appreciated.
>
> Many Thanks Anne
>
> Brisbane.
>
>




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-19 Thread Belinda

I know you are probably thinking this, but my screaming position is what 
the hell gives them the right to deny this!!

Belinda

Anne Peter Moore wrote:

Thankyou everyone I will gather all the information etc and present 
this in the forum.The priority is the woman and her right to choose, I 
have attended women at a home LB with no problems, but unfortunatly in 
my position and this environment  I need to make  sure that they have 
no reason to implement unacceplble guidelines on the women,

Many Thanks,
Anne
- Original Message - From: "Kathy McCarthy-Bushby" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Ozmidwifery" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth






Hi  Anne,
There is a book on lotus birth called "Lotus Birth" compiled by Shivam
Rachana, Greenwood Press, Steeds Creek, Australia, 2000. I think i 
got my
copy from acegraphics. The book covers some information on medical 
evidence
with articles by Dr. Sarah Buckley "Leaving well alone. A natural 
approach

to the third stage of labour" as well as some story telling by women who
chose lotus birth and that's what i call women's evidence. Both forms of
evidence as just as valid as each other.
cheers
kathy
- Original Message -


From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth


> Hi Anne,
>
>
>
> I coordinate Homebirth Access Sydney and our last issue of Birthings
> magazine focused on Lotus Birth. It has a few birth stories in it and
other
> information regarding the practice, how to care for the placenta, the
> reasons why women choose this option etc. I do have a few copies 
left > so

if
> you would like me to send you one just email me your address and I'll


pop


it
> in the post.
>
>
>
> You may also like to try
>
>
>
> www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_
> <http://www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_lotus_birth.pdf>


lotus_birth.pdf


>
>
>
> www.humantransformation.com.au 
<http://www.humantransformation.com.au/>

>
>
>
>
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> Jo
>
>   _
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Peter
Moore
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 8:30 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth
>
>
>
> There has been discussion on a committee I am involved with regarding


the

> practice of Lotus Birth and whether women should be "allowed" 
this, I > am

> familiar with this practice but a couple of issues were raised  :
>
>  What evidence is available to support this practice ?
>
> Why do women choose to do this?
>
>  Is there an increased risk of infection etc ?
>
> When will the cord/placenta separate?
>
> I believe in informed choice and I am keen to present this in an


evidenced


> based manner to allow women the choice.I have my own experience and
thoughts
> but additional research/ evidence would be appreciated.
>
> Many Thanks Anne
>
> Brisbane.
>
>




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-19 Thread brendamanning




Hi JO,
 Please would you 
send me a copy of the Birthing Mag featuring "Lotus Birth" for the Midwives 
Clinic at our Unit. 
We have requests for info 
this would address & I'll copy the links you've suggested for women to look 
at.
 
Thank you.
 
With kind regardsBrenda Manning http://www.themidwife.com.au

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  jo 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:46 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus 
  Birth
  
  
  Hi 
  Anne,
   
  I coordinate 
  Homebirth Access Sydney and our last issue of Birthings magazine focused on 
  Lotus Birth. It has a few birth stories in it and other information regarding 
  the practice, how to care for the placenta, the reasons why women choose this 
  option etc. I do have a few copies left so if you would like me to send you 
  one just email me your address and Ill pop it in the 
  post.
   
  You may also like to 
  try
   
  www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_lotus_birth.pdf
   
  www.humantransformation.com.au
   
   
  Good 
  luck
   
  Jo
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Anne Peter MooreSent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 8:30 
  PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus 
  Birth
   
  
  There has been discussion on a 
  committee I am involved with regarding the practice of Lotus Birth and whether 
  women should be "allowed" this, I am familiar with this practice but a 
  couple of issues were raised  :
  
   What evidence is available 
  to support this practice ?
  
  Why do women choose to do 
  this?
  
   Is there an increased risk 
  of infection etc ?
  
  When will the cord/placenta 
  separate? 
  
  I believe in informed choice and I 
  am keen to present this in an evidenced based manner to allow women the 
  choice.I have my own experience and thoughts but additional research/ evidence 
  would be appreciated.
  
  Many Thanks 
  Anne
  
  Brisbane.

RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-19 Thread Jackie Doolan

Anne,
I wish you every success and after an extensive search not surprisingly
found little level one or two research on this. You have been given all
the sources I know - Perhaps the WHO Care of the Umbilical Cord: a
review  of the evidence may be helpful? If it should come to pass that
women are informed that lotus birth will not be performed and women
seeking this should birth elsewhere I am very concerned at how the new
Qld child safety laws could be (mis)used after this point. Fortunately
this legislation has no jurisdiction over the unborn baby but when a
lotus birth is demanded by a woman in a hospital that does not 'allow'
it,  will this then lead hospital management to threaten to envoke this
legislation, using the argument that the woman is unnecessarily putting
the child at risk of infection or salt absorption? I see this mandating
of what women can and can not choose as the  beginning of adverserial
relationships between women and health care professionals (reminiscent
of Qld woman refusing C/S and finding other hospital to access VBAC). 

In Queensland we desparately need the legal debate between woman's
rights versus neonatal rights (basis of child safety law) to be played
out. 

Jackie 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Peter
Moore
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:58 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth


Thankyou everyone I will gather all the information etc and present this
in 
the forum.The priority is the woman and her right to choose, I have
attended 
women at a home LB with no problems, but unfortunatly in my position and

this environment  I need to make  sure that they have no reason to
implement 
unacceplble guidelines on the women,
Many Thanks,
Anne
- Original Message - 
From: "Kathy McCarthy-Bushby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ozmidwifery" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth


>
>
>
> Hi  Anne,
> There is a book on lotus birth called "Lotus Birth" compiled by Shivam

> Rachana, Greenwood Press, Steeds Creek, Australia, 2000. I think i got

> my copy from acegraphics. The book covers some information on medical 
> evidence with articles by Dr. Sarah Buckley "Leaving well alone. A 
> natural approach to the third stage of labour" as well as some story 
> telling by women who chose lotus birth and that's what i call women's 
> evidence. Both forms of evidence as just as valid as each other.
> cheers
> kathy
> - Original Message -
>> From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth
>>
>>
>> > Hi Anne,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I coordinate Homebirth Access Sydney and our last issue of 
>> > Birthings magazine focused on Lotus Birth. It has a few birth 
>> > stories in it and
>> other
>> > information regarding the practice, how to care for the placenta, 
>> > the reasons why women choose this option etc. I do have a few 
>> > copies left so
>> if
>> > you would like me to send you one just email me your address and 
>> > I'll
> pop
>> it
>> > in the post.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You may also like to try
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_ 
>> > <http://www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_lotus_birth.pdf>
> lotus_birth.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > www.humantransformation.com.au 
>> > <http://www.humantransformation.com.au/>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Good luck
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jo
>> >
>> >   _
>> >
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne 
>> > Peter
>> Moore
>> > Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 8:30 PM
>> > To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>> > Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There has been discussion on a committee I am involved with 
>> > regarding
> the
>> > practice of Lotus Birth and whether women should be "allowed" this,

>> > I
>> > am
>> > familiar with this practice but a couple of issues were raised  :
>> >
>> >  What evidence is available to support this practice ?
>> >
>> > Why do women choose to do this?
>> >
>> >  Is there an increased risk of infection etc ?
>> >
>> > When will the cord/placenta separate?
>> >
>> > I believe in informed choice and I am keen to present this in an
> evidenced
>> > based manner to allow women the choice.I have my own experience and
>> thoughts
>> > but additional research/ evidence would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Many Thanks Anne
>> >
>> > Brisbane.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-20 Thread Anne Peter Moore


Dear Jackie,
the responses I received were no less than I expected and hoped for. If I 
can resolve this at source as I will try to do then it should not develop 
any further.
If there is no evidence then it has to be the woman's right to make an 
informed decision from any information/resource available ie women's 
experiences etc.

Many Thanks,
Anne

Original Message - 
From: "Jackie Doolan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth



Anne,
I wish you every success and after an extensive search not surprisingly
found little level one or two research on this. You have been given all
the sources I know - Perhaps the WHO Care of the Umbilical Cord: a
review  of the evidence may be helpful? If it should come to pass that
women are informed that lotus birth will not be performed and women
seeking this should birth elsewhere I am very concerned at how the new
Qld child safety laws could be (mis)used after this point. Fortunately
this legislation has no jurisdiction over the unborn baby but when a
lotus birth is demanded by a woman in a hospital that does not 'allow'
it,  will this then lead hospital management to threaten to envoke this
legislation, using the argument that the woman is unnecessarily putting
the child at risk of infection or salt absorption? I see this mandating
of what women can and can not choose as the  beginning of adverserial
relationships between women and health care professionals (reminiscent
of Qld woman refusing C/S and finding other hospital to access VBAC).

In Queensland we desparately need the legal debate between woman's
rights versus neonatal rights (basis of child safety law) to be played
out.

Jackie

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Peter
Moore
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:58 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth


Thankyou everyone I will gather all the information etc and present this
in
the forum.The priority is the woman and her right to choose, I have
attended
women at a home LB with no problems, but unfortunatly in my position and

this environment  I need to make  sure that they have no reason to
implement
unacceplble guidelines on the women,
Many Thanks,
Anne
- Original Message - 
From: "Kathy McCarthy-Bushby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Ozmidwifery" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth






Hi  Anne,
There is a book on lotus birth called "Lotus Birth" compiled by Shivam



Rachana, Greenwood Press, Steeds Creek, Australia, 2000. I think i got



my copy from acegraphics. The book covers some information on medical
evidence with articles by Dr. Sarah Buckley "Leaving well alone. A
natural approach to the third stage of labour" as well as some story
telling by women who chose lotus birth and that's what i call women's
evidence. Both forms of evidence as just as valid as each other.
cheers
kathy
- Original Message -

From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth


> Hi Anne,
>
>
>
> I coordinate Homebirth Access Sydney and our last issue of
> Birthings magazine focused on Lotus Birth. It has a few birth
> stories in it and
other
> information regarding the practice, how to care for the placenta,
> the reasons why women choose this option etc. I do have a few
> copies left so
if
> you would like me to send you one just email me your address and
> I'll

pop

it
> in the post.
>
>
>
> You may also like to try
>
>
>
> www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_
> <http://www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_lotus_birth.pdf>

lotus_birth.pdf

>
>
>
> www.humantransformation.com.au
> <http://www.humantransformation.com.au/>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> Jo
>
>   _
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne
> Peter
Moore
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 8:30 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth
>
>
>
> There has been discussion on a committee I am involved with
> regarding

the

> practice of Lotus Birth and whether women should be "allowed" this,



> I
> am
> familiar with this practice but a couple of issues were raised  :
>
>  What evidence is available to support this practice ?
>
> Why do women choose to do this?
>
>  Is there an increased risk of infection etc ?
>
> When will the cord/placenta separate?
>
> I believe in informed choice and I am keen to present this in an

evidenced

> based manner to allow women the choice.I have my own experience and
thoughts
> but a

Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-20 Thread Anne Peter Moore




Dear Jo,
can I e-mail you my address of list?
Many Thanks Anne
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:59 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus 
  Birth
  
  Hi JO,
   Please would you 
  send me a copy of the Birthing Mag featuring "Lotus Birth" for the 
  Midwives Clinic at our Unit. 
  We have requests for 
  info this would address & I'll copy the links you've suggested for women 
  to look at.
   
  Thank you.
   
  With kind regardsBrenda Manning http://www.themidwife.com.au
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
jo 

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:46 
    PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus 
Birth


Hi 
Anne,
 
I coordinate 
Homebirth Access Sydney and our last issue of Birthings magazine focused on 
Lotus Birth. It has a few birth stories in it and other information 
regarding the practice, how to care for the placenta, the reasons why women 
choose this option etc. I do have a few copies left so if you would like me 
to send you one just email me your address and Ill pop it in the 
post.
 
You may also like 
to try
 
www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_lotus_birth.pdf
 
www.humantransformation.com.au
 
 
Good 
luck
 
Jo




From: 
owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Anne Peter 
MooreSent: Tuesday, 18 
October 2005 8:30 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus 
Birth
 

There has been discussion on a 
committee I am involved with regarding the practice of Lotus Birth and 
whether women should be "allowed" this, I am familiar with this practice 
but a couple of issues were raised  
:

 What evidence is available 
to support this practice ?

Why do women choose to do 
this?

 Is there an increased risk 
of infection etc ?

When will the cord/placenta 
separate? 

I believe in informed choice and 
I am keen to present this in an evidenced based manner to allow women the 
choice.I have my own experience and thoughts but additional research/ 
evidence would be appreciated.

Many Thanks 
Anne

Brisbane.

RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth

2005-10-21 Thread jo









Sure. Can you do the same Brenda, thanks

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

jo









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Anne Peter Moore
Sent: Friday, 21 October 2005 4:52
PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus
Birth



 



Dear Jo,





can I e-mail you my address of list?





Many Thanks Anne





 







- Original Message - 





From: brendamanning 





To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 





Sent: Thursday, October
20, 2005 12:59 PM





Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
Lotus Birth





 





Hi JO,





 Please
would you send me a copy of the Birthing Mag featuring "Lotus Birth" for
the Midwives Clinic at our Unit. 





We have
requests for info this would address & I'll copy the links you've suggested
for women to look at.





 





Thank you.





 





With kind regards
Brenda Manning 
http://www.themidwife.com.au







- Original Message - 





From: jo 





To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 





Sent: Tuesday, October
18, 2005 8:46 PM





Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery]
Lotus Birth





 



Hi Anne,

 

I coordinate Homebirth Access Sydney and
our last issue of Birthings magazine focused on Lotus Birth. It has a few birth
stories in it and other information regarding the practice, how to care for the
placenta, the reasons why women choose this option etc. I do have a few copies
left so if you would like me to send you one just email me your address and
I’ll pop it in the post.

 

You may also like to try

 

www.womenofspirit.asn.au/docs/sb_lotus_birth.pdf

 

www.humantransformation.com.au

 

 

Good luck

 

Jo









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Anne Peter Moore
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005
8:30 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth



 



There has been discussion on a committee I am involved with
regarding the practice of Lotus Birth and whether women should be
"allowed" this, I am familiar with this practice but a couple
of issues were raised  :





 What evidence is available to support this practice ?





Why do women choose to do this?





 Is there an increased risk of infection etc ?





When will the cord/placenta separate? 





I believe in informed choice and I am keen to present this
in an evidenced based manner to allow women the choice.I have my own experience
and thoughts but additional research/ evidence would be appreciated.





Many Thanks Anne





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