Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question
Hi guys, I need to ask your advice again if you don't mind. I saw my twins couple again tonight and the mum was very tense. They had just gone to see their Ob and he discussed the birth with them. 1. He has told them that they must head for the hospital as soon as she is in labour as twins usually arrive in around 4 hours Is this correct or an Ob's imagination gone wild. 2. He also told her that she would be given an epidural when she was at 4cms and forceps would be used to deliver both babies quickly. 3. He said she would be induced early because the babies at this stage are already bigger than average size, he quoted 5lb 11oz (she has 6 weeks to go) and asked them to think about a date to be delivered. He is really programming in an early arrival for them and says it every time they visit him. How much of this is truth and how much is B.S This is only my 2nd twins couple but boy am I learning quickly. The first had no probs whatsoever but then they were delivered in a country hospital. Many thanks Diane Gardner -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question
All sounds like advance preparation for a C/S to me. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question
It certainly sounds like the ob is rubbing his hands together waiting for his c/section fee!! Probably by his management, his twins do arrive in 4 hours, hauled out or cut out. I've been around probably 6 sets of twins in my time, and also have John Stevenson's data on 12 sets he was involved with - mostly all at home. The labours are as unpredictable and unique as any labour is, but there is a bit of a pattern to the time between the births of the two. In John's 12 sets, the majority of second babies arrived within 20 minutes of the first. An hour later was the next usual time between, and then there were a few further apart than that. In one of the sets I was around, the babies were born 23 hours apart!! As far as size of babies and length of pregnancy goes, there is the usual variation, with quite a number of twins arriving 3 weeks early, but also some going over term. The first set I was privileged to attend were born at 42 weeks, and were 7lb 2oz and 8lb 1oz. John's sets had similar ranges. Sounds like this poor woman will need heaps of work to balance her fears after each visit to the ob. Better still, she should ditch him altogether or he will continue to undermine her trust and faith in herself totally. Is she hoping to birth them normally? Hope this helps, Sue Hi guys, I need to ask your advice again if you don't mind. I saw my twins couple again tonight and the mum was very tense. They had just gone to see their Ob and he discussed the birth with them. 1. He has told them that they must head for the hospital as soon as she is in labour as twins usually arrive in around 4 hours Is this correct or an Ob's imagination gone wild. 2. He also told her that she would be given an epidural when she was at 4cms and forceps would be used to deliver both babies quickly. 3. He said she would be induced early because the babies at this stage are already bigger than average size, he quoted 5lb 11oz (she has 6 weeks to go) and asked them to think about a date to be delivered. He is really programming in an early arrival for them and says it every time they visit him. How much of this is truth and how much is B.S This is only my 2nd twins couple but boy am I learning quickly. The first had no probs whatsoever but then they were delivered in a country hospital. Many thanks Diane Gardner -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question
Hi Dianne, I'm not sure whther it could help, but my book Parenting By Heart has a beautiful twins birth story(plus the awful lead up) - mum (a GP) had her first baby at a birth centre and was desperately upset to discover that risk management for twins (her next pregnancy) was an epidural and forceps. Her partner was studying obstetrics at the time and she had called every ob in Melbourne hearing pretty much the same story. By mid pregnancy she couldnt stop crying she was so upset, then luckily discovered Bruce Sutherland -chose her own midwife and ended up with a natural birth, acupuncture administered by hubby for pain relief. Its a lovely first person story that may ring some bells and help inspire a bit of confidence to your client - she already has the midwife! Perhaps because both these parents are doctors themselves it may help her see that all medical people dont necessarily take a medical approach and if she feels she would like to speak with this mum I am sure she would be happy to offer support.. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question It certainly sounds like the ob is rubbing his hands together waiting for his c/section fee!! Probably by his management, his twins do arrive in 4 hours, hauled out or cut out. I've been around probably 6 sets of twins in my time, and also have John Stevenson's data on 12 sets he was involved with - mostly all at home. The labours are as unpredictable and unique as any labour is, but there is a bit of a pattern to the time between the births of the two. In John's 12 sets, the majority of second babies arrived within 20 minutes of the first. An hour later was the next usual time between, and then there were a few further apart than that. In one of the sets I was around, the babies were born 23 hours apart!! As far as size of babies and length of pregnancy goes, there is the usual variation, with quite a number of twins arriving 3 weeks early, but also some going over term. The first set I was privileged to attend were born at 42 weeks, and were 7lb 2oz and 8lb 1oz. John's sets had similar ranges. Sounds like this poor woman will need heaps of work to balance her fears after each visit to the ob. Better still, she should ditch him altogether or he will continue to undermine her trust and faith in herself totally. Is she hoping to birth them normally? Hope this helps, Sue Hi guys, I need to ask your advice again if you don't mind. I saw my twins couple again tonight and the mum was very tense. They had just gone to see their Ob and he discussed the birth with them. 1. He has told them that they must head for the hospital as soon as she is in labour as twins usually arrive in around 4 hours Is this correct or an Ob's imagination gone wild. 2. He also told her that she would be given an epidural when she was at 4cms and forceps would be used to deliver both babies quickly. 3. He said she would be induced early because the babies at this stage are already bigger than average size, he quoted 5lb 11oz (she has 6 weeks to go) and asked them to think about a date to be delivered. He is really programming in an early arrival for them and says it every time they visit him. How much of this is truth and how much is B.S This is only my 2nd twins couple but boy am I learning quickly. The first had no probs whatsoever but then they were delivered in a country hospital. Many thanks Diane Gardner -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question
Dear Diane, I don't know if anecdotal evidence is what you are after, but my two friends who have had twins have both been post term. One was very angry after the event at being actively managed, and the other had a completely natural birth. The first was with the NHS (UK) and led by an ob, the second had an independent midwife who had very good relations with the hospital. Apparently when they got to hospital (which was very late she laboured mostly in her kitchen) the staff were itching to get into the room, but the midwife would only allow one other midwife into the room and told everyone else to stay outside. The other part about the weight of the babies must be questioned as the ultrasound is remarkably inaccurate at guessing weight of babies, isn't it? There is a good story on www.homebirth.org.uk in the stories section written by Emma Barker, although it is a uk story a lot of it looks the same kind of thing as here, and certainly sounds the same sort of thing that your client is going through. Hope this helps, Claire Saxby From: Diane Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:07:56 +1100 Hi guys, I need to ask your advice again if you don't mind. I saw my twins couple again tonight and the mum was very tense. They had just gone to see their Ob and he discussed the birth with them. 1. He has told them that they must head for the hospital as soon as she is in labour as twins usually arrive in around 4 hours Is this correct or an Ob's imagination gone wild. 2. He also told her that she would be given an epidural when she was at 4cms and forceps would be used to deliver both babies quickly. 3. He said she would be induced early because the babies at this stage are already bigger than average size, he quoted 5lb 11oz (she has 6 weeks to go) and asked them to think about a date to be delivered. He is really programming in an early arrival for them and says it every time they visit him. How much of this is truth and how much is B.S This is only my 2nd twins couple but boy am I learning quickly. The first had no probs whatsoever but then they were delivered in a country hospital. Many thanks Diane Gardner -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
