Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
I'm afraid that 24 is one program that I've never seen! - Original Message - From: Brent Harding bhard...@doorpi.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I wonder if Fox carries the descriptions for 24, even though they supposedly only have it, or at least it originates from the UK? That's one of my favorite shows, and a person misses a lot these days without the description. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I've heard that CSI is supposed to be described, or was! But maybe I'll have to see if someone sighted can help me get into the menus. Maybe, I'll ditch Comcast and go to ATT Uverse, when it becomes available in this area. With a TV on regular cable, I could hit the SAP button, and maybe some digital TV's can do this now, but mine doesn't because I don't think there's a SAP button on my cable remote. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Well, they're dependent on the local station to carry or not if the network makes it available. As for TCM, some movies have it , some do not and you will have to check that out with TCM's listings which will indicate which movies have that option. As for CBS, if I did not say it before, NCIS, Without a Trace, the original CSI, and Criminal Minds used to have DVS. Your cable system might carry that if the local channel did. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
I've heard that CSI is supposed to be described, or was! But maybe I'll have to see if someone sighted can help me get into the menus. Maybe, I'll ditch Comcast and go to ATT Uverse, when it becomes available in this area. With a TV on regular cable, I could hit the SAP button, and maybe some digital TV's can do this now, but mine doesn't because I don't think there's a SAP button on my cable remote. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Well, they're dependent on the local station to carry or not if the network makes it available. As for TCM, some movies have it , some do not and you will have to check that out with TCM's listings which will indicate which movies have that option. As for CBS, if I did not say it before, NCIS, Without a Trace, the original CSI, and Criminal Minds used to have DVS. Your cable system might carry that if the local channel did. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Direct TV is not an option, because there are too many trees on the south side of the house, and that would block the signal. - Original Message - From: Brent Harding bhard...@doorpi.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I wish there was a way I could get it, but I never found an option on Uverse to put it on. What I really need is DirecTV, but not too many complexes offer that that I know of. Everyone seems to be going to Dish for some reason. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Well, they're dependent on the local station to carry or not if the network makes it available. As for TCM, some movies have it , some do not and you will have to check that out with TCM's listings which will indicate which movies have that option. As for CBS, if I did not say it before, NCIS, Without a Trace, the original CSI, and Criminal Minds used to have DVS. Your cable system might carry that if the local channel did. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Yeah, my problem is more of the complex I'm in offering Dish instead of DirecTV. Maybe I could get one on the patio if I could get signal, but now I don't have a landline phone, just my cell. What I'm getting tired of is that ATT's site is lately giving me errors saying they can't connect to my box when it comes to wanting to record programs. It did it a few days several months ago, but the problem's back again. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Direct TV is not an option, because there are too many trees on the south side of the house, and that would block the signal. - Original Message - From: Brent Harding bhard...@doorpi.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I wish there was a way I could get it, but I never found an option on Uverse to put it on. What I really need is DirecTV, but not too many complexes offer that that I know of. Everyone seems to be going to Dish for some reason. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Well, they're dependent on the local station to carry or not if the network makes it available. As for TCM, some movies have it , some do not and you will have to check that out with TCM's listings which will indicate which movies have that option. As for CBS, if I did not say it before, NCIS, Without a Trace, the original CSI, and Criminal Minds used to have DVS. Your cable system might carry that if the local channel did. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
I wonder if Fox carries the descriptions for 24, even though they supposedly only have it, or at least it originates from the UK? That's one of my favorite shows, and a person misses a lot these days without the description. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I've heard that CSI is supposed to be described, or was! But maybe I'll have to see if someone sighted can help me get into the menus. Maybe, I'll ditch Comcast and go to ATT Uverse, when it becomes available in this area. With a TV on regular cable, I could hit the SAP button, and maybe some digital TV's can do this now, but mine doesn't because I don't think there's a SAP button on my cable remote. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Well, they're dependent on the local station to carry or not if the network makes it available. As for TCM, some movies have it , some do not and you will have to check that out with TCM's listings which will indicate which movies have that option. As for CBS, if I did not say it before, NCIS, Without a Trace, the original CSI, and Criminal Minds used to have DVS. Your cable system might carry that if the local channel did. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 3/6/2009 7:17 PM To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
What makes you think there wasn't feedback? I know, for example, for a fact that Dishnet got feedback when it dropped it's network DVS option. I would, therefore, believe that Congress got at least as much feedback if not more from individuals. - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:57 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Amen on this topic. I know I'll probably get yelled at but everyone who wants anything described should contact congress if there is some current legislation. Remember that this is the reason tv networks stopped describing programs because they never got feedback from people. There was a time when the networks were starting come around but because of the lack of feedback and the NFB this was short-lived. thanks bb - Original Message - From: Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Well, they're dependent on the local station to carry or not if the network makes it available. As for TCM, some movies have it , some do not and you will have to check that out with TCM's listings which will indicate which movies have that option. As for CBS, if I did not say it before, NCIS, Without a Trace, the original CSI, and Criminal Minds used to have DVS. Your cable system might carry that if the local channel did. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 3/6/2009 7:17 PM To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank
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I wish there was a way I could get it, but I never found an option on Uverse to put it on. What I really need is DirecTV, but not too many complexes offer that that I know of. Everyone seems to be going to Dish for some reason. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Well, they're dependent on the local station to carry or not if the network makes it available. As for TCM, some movies have it , some do not and you will have to check that out with TCM's listings which will indicate which movies have that option. As for CBS, if I did not say it before, NCIS, Without a Trace, the original CSI, and Criminal Minds used to have DVS. Your cable system might carry that if the local channel did. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank
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Well about three years ago, those of us who were interested formed a committee made up of interested blind people and deaf to help set up a system whereby there would be descriptive audio for movies using headsets, and a system where deaf individuals could watch using closed captioning. We got involved with a theater chain who we helped get this started in one of these theaters. It was indeed a collaboration with the theater and ourselves! We put up half of the money, along with the theater putting up the other half. It has been successful, and I'm able to hear the descriptions with nobody else the wiser. I think we would have liked to have had this in all the theaters in this area, but I'm at least satisfied that there's one place I can go to get this! - Original Message - From: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads my state office of the NLS sends VHS with DVs. I would have to travel 100 miles to catch something in a theater that is described. Dean - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:07 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads |I haven't seen this yet, but my State Library for the blind has descriptive | videos on DVD's, and they have them in such a way that when you put a DVD | in, the descriptions come up automatically. This sounds great, and I watch | these in a movie theater that has video description on headsets that are | provided that give these prescriptions. | | - Original Message - | From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com | To: j...@freelists.org | Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; | pc-audio@pc-audio.org | Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:41 PM | Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads | | | Hi, folks. | | I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. | But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than | some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm | writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on | iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I | hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. | | I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD | come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm | presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, | too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs | where action was described in the first place, should have that same | DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm | wondering about the following: | | 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the | download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good | source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about | this feature before I buy? | | 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is | there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a | menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the | descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media | Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. | | 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of | stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front | of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard | of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download | versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those | wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the | same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little | bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? | | Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for | others I may encounter. | | Kind regards, | | -Kane | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG. | Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 3/5/2009 | 7:54 AM | | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 3/6/2009 7:20 AM To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Great show. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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OK folks, let's get back to discussing audio. That's the main reason we are here. ** Original Message From: Kelly Pierce ** The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit
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Do you feel this way about all advocacy groups or just the NFB? Joining a mailing list isn't the same as joining an advocacy group, helping to set it's agenda and then working to implement that agenda. I don't always agree with the positions of the NFB or ACB, but I respect them as organizations and it's members who are willing to come together and work for the benefit of the blind. IMHO, if you don't like the positions of the NFB, ACB or some other group then you should join that group and help determine it's positions. It isn't like the NFB or ACB aren't made up of blind people and the positions they come up with aren't held by some blind people. I'm also a little confused about the opinions of some on the list. If I recall the history of this issue, there were no laws requiring described video when WGBH, the Department of Education and others were producing described video. The NFB didn't do anything to prevent any of this, they only opposed the passage of a law requiring it. I don't see how anything now is any different than what it was before this law was defeated. BTW, I don't think the NFB should as been as vocal as it was opposing this law, but I agree with the NFB that this should not be mandated via a law. Every time a law is passed mandating accessibility, there's a price to pay in things like public acceptance. For this and other reasons, passing such a law should not be done lightly. I've listened to quite a few movies with described video lately, mostly via the Blind Mice Movie Vault, and I find that movies I tended to enjoy when I watched them without described video are the same movies I tend to enjoy with described video. Movies I couldn't sit through when they weren't described, such as 2001 A Space odyssey, I still can't watch with described video. Listening to someone describe all of the interesting things that happen when you're in a weightless environment is only nominally more interesting than long passages of silence. I've also seen a big difference in the quality of described video, and I wonder how good the described video would be if it were mandated. Kelly Pierce wrote: The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j
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Amen on this topic. I know I'll probably get yelled at but everyone who wants anything described should contact congress if there is some current legislation. Remember that this is the reason tv networks stopped describing programs because they never got feedback from people. There was a time when the networks were starting come around but because of the lack of feedback and the NFB this was short-lived. thanks bb - Original Message - From: Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player
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Oops, sorry! I meant to send that privately. I guess I forgot to change the address. I beg forgiveness from the list and the moderator. Christopher Chaltain wrote: Do you feel this way about all advocacy groups or just the NFB? Joining a mailing list isn't the same as joining an advocacy group, helping to set it's agenda and then working to implement that agenda. I don't always agree with the positions of the NFB or ACB, but I respect them as organizations and it's members who are willing to come together and work for the benefit of the blind. IMHO, if you don't like the positions of the NFB, ACB or some other group then you should join that group and help determine it's positions. It isn't like the NFB or ACB aren't made up of blind people and the positions they come up with aren't held by some blind people. I'm also a little confused about the opinions of some on the list. If I recall the history of this issue, there were no laws requiring described video when WGBH, the Department of Education and others were producing described video. The NFB didn't do anything to prevent any of this, they only opposed the passage of a law requiring it. I don't see how anything now is any different than what it was before this law was defeated. BTW, I don't think the NFB should as been as vocal as it was opposing this law, but I agree with the NFB that this should not be mandated via a law. Every time a law is passed mandating accessibility, there's a price to pay in things like public acceptance. For this and other reasons, passing such a law should not be done lightly. I've listened to quite a few movies with described video lately, mostly via the Blind Mice Movie Vault, and I find that movies I tended to enjoy when I watched them without described video are the same movies I tend to enjoy with described video. Movies I couldn't sit through when they weren't described, such as 2001 A Space odyssey, I still can't watch with described video. Listening to someone describe all of the interesting things that happen when you're in a weightless environment is only nominally more interesting than long passages of silence. I've also seen a big difference in the quality of described video, and I wonder how good the described video would be if it were mandated. Kelly Pierce wrote: The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original
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One nice site where you can get quite a few movies (actually just the audio) including described video is the Blind Mice Movie Vault at http://www.blindmicemart.com/assets/product_images/movies2.html. Steve Matzura wrote: Presume no such thing. DVS on commercial video is quite rare. Would that this were not so. On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:41:59 -0500, you wrote: Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I think that our library has a described version about President Lincoln! I think they may have others too. - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus
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I think that ACB should try again to get this passed! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 3/5/2009 7:54 AM To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I haven't seen this yet, but my State Library for the blind has descriptive videos on DVD's, and they have them in such a way that when you put a DVD in, the descriptions come up automatically. This sounds great, and I watch these in a movie theater that has video description on headsets that are provided that give these prescriptions. - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 3/5/2009 7:54 AM To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Yes, all this partisanship is off topic for the pc audio list so please drop the political comments. Thanks, Tom ** Original Message From: Bruce Toews ** Is all this pardisanship not just a whole lot off-topic for this list? And no, I'm not a member of the NFB, nor am I even American. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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it is an email list. You can subscribe at blindmoviebuff-subscr...@yahoogroups.com At 12:05 AM 3/6/2009, you wrote: So, what is the URL of the Blind Movie Buff list, to save me a hunt, if you please? Thanks, Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I get tons of us tv that has been described by groups overseas, I know quite a bit of described dvd's can be purchased on amazon.uk More information can be found on the blind movie buff list. At 07:25 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get
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my state office of the NLS sends VHS with DVs. I would have to travel 100 miles to catch something in a theater that is described. Dean - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:07 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads |I haven't seen this yet, but my State Library for the blind has descriptive | videos on DVD's, and they have them in such a way that when you put a DVD | in, the descriptions come up automatically. This sounds great, and I watch | these in a movie theater that has video description on headsets that are | provided that give these prescriptions. | | - Original Message - | From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com | To: j...@freelists.org | Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; | pc-audio@pc-audio.org | Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:41 PM | Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads | | | Hi, folks. | | I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. | But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than | some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm | writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on | iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I | hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. | | I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD | come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm | presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, | too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs | where action was described in the first place, should have that same | DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm | wondering about the following: | | 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the | download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good | source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about | this feature before I buy? | | 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is | there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a | menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the | descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media | Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. | | 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of | stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front | of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard | of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download | versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those | wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the | same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little | bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? | | Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for | others I may encounter. | | Kind regards, | | -Kane | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG. | Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 3/5/2009 | 7:54 AM | | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Thanks for this! -Mac- - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads it is an email list. You can subscribe at blindmoviebuff-subscr...@yahoogroups.com At 12:05 AM 3/6/2009, you wrote: So, what is the URL of the Blind Movie Buff list, to save me a hunt, if you please? Thanks, Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I get tons of us tv that has been described by groups overseas, I know quite a bit of described dvd's can be purchased on amazon.uk More information can be found on the blind movie buff list. At 07:25 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've
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This is a private list. You are not supposed to be publically announcing it. THat is a violation of that lists rules. Rick - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads it is an email list. You can subscribe at blindmoviebuff-subscr...@yahoogroups.com At 12:05 AM 3/6/2009, you wrote: So, what is the URL of the Blind Movie Buff list, to save me a hunt, if you please? Thanks, Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I get tons of us tv that has been described by groups overseas, I know quite a bit of described dvd's can be purchased on amazon.uk More information can be found on the blind movie buff list. At 07:25 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't
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The ones at our library all come from a Canadian source. There's just no production in this country it would seem. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dean Masters Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:13 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads my state office of the NLS sends VHS with DVs. I would have to travel 100 miles to catch something in a theater that is described. Dean - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:07 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads |I haven't seen this yet, but my State Library for the blind has descriptive | videos on DVD's, and they have them in such a way that when you put a DVD | in, the descriptions come up automatically. This sounds great, and I watch | these in a movie theater that has video description on headsets that are | provided that give these prescriptions. | | - Original Message - | From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com | To: j...@freelists.org | Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; | pc-audio@pc-audio.org | Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:41 PM | Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads | | | Hi, folks. | | I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. | But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than | some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm | writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on | iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I | hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. | | I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD | come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm | presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, | too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs | where action was described in the first place, should have that same | DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm | wondering about the following: | | 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the | download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good | source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about | this feature before I buy? | | 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is | there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a | menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the | descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media | Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. | | 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of | stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front | of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard | of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download | versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those | wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the | same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little | bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? | | Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for | others I may encounter. | | Kind regards, | | -Kane | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG. | Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 3/5/2009 | 7:54 AM | | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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A lot come from Canada but some are from the US if you don't mind waiting five or more years to watch it. Dean - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads | The ones at our library all come from a Canadian source. There's just no | production in this country it would seem. | | -Original Message- | From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] | On Behalf Of Dean Masters | Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:13 AM | To: PC Audio Discussion List | Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads | | my state office of the NLS sends VHS with DVs. I would have to travel 100 | miles to catch something in a theater that is described. | | Dean | | - Original Message - | From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net | To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org | Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:07 AM | Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads | | ||I haven't seen this yet, but my State Library for the blind has descriptive || videos on DVD's, and they have them in such a way that when you put a DVD || in, the descriptions come up automatically. This sounds great, and I | watch || these in a movie theater that has video description on headsets that are || provided that give these prescriptions. || || - Original Message - || From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com || To: j...@freelists.org || Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; || pc-audio@pc-audio.org || Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:41 PM || Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads || || || Hi, folks. || || I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. || But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than || some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm || writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on || iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I || hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. || || I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD || come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm || presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, || too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs || where action was described in the first place, should have that same || DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm || wondering about the following: || || 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the || download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good || source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about || this feature before I buy? || || 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is || there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a || menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the || descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media || Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. || || 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of || stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front || of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard || of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download || versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those || wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the || same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little || bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? || || Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for || others I may encounter. || || Kind regards, || || -Kane || || To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: || pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org || || || -- || No virus found in this incoming message. || Checked by AVG. || Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: | 3/5/2009 || 7:54 AM || || || || || To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: || pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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If I'm not mistaken, 24 is only described in the UK. - Original Message - From: Brent Harding bhard...@doorpi.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads On DVD it seems to be rare, but on regular network TV, some of the top shows are described like CSI. I don't know if 24 is, but I thought someone said they had described episodes, but they're old. - Original Message - From: Steve Matzura numb...@speakeasy.net To: pc-audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org; ipod blindi...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Presume no such thing. DVS on commercial video is quite rare. Would that this were not so. On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:41:59 -0500, you wrote: Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Sorry, I assumed since it was easily found on the net and I've heard others mention it on other email lists, it would be okay to share. I apologize. At 12:16 PM 3/6/2009, you wrote: This is a private list. You are not supposed to be publically announcing it. THat is a violation of that lists rules. Rick - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads it is an email list. You can subscribe at blindmoviebuff-subscr...@yahoogroups.com At 12:05 AM 3/6/2009, you wrote: So, what is the URL of the Blind Movie Buff list, to save me a hunt, if you please? Thanks, Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I get tons of us tv that has been described by groups overseas, I know quite a bit of described dvd's can be purchased on amazon.uk More information can be found on the blind movie buff list. At 07:25 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen
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No problem, I just think they want to keep it quiet since it's quite sensitive what they have there. Who knows others have told me off list they don't care. So my apologies if this is now the case. Rick - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Sorry, I assumed since it was easily found on the net and I've heard others mention it on other email lists, it would be okay to share. I apologize. At 12:16 PM 3/6/2009, you wrote: This is a private list. You are not supposed to be publically announcing it. THat is a violation of that lists rules. Rick - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads it is an email list. You can subscribe at blindmoviebuff-subscr...@yahoogroups.com At 12:05 AM 3/6/2009, you wrote: So, what is the URL of the Blind Movie Buff list, to save me a hunt, if you please? Thanks, Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I get tons of us tv that has been described by groups overseas, I know quite a bit of described dvd's can be purchased on amazon.uk More information can be found on the blind movie buff list. At 07:25 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output
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Unfortunately most dvds of movies and tv are not desribed at least in the Unitted States I would be very surprized if itunes carried any dvs tracks for any video or movie bb - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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No worries, I did debate about mentioning it since there is specific content that we are asked not to mention outside the list. and thats all i'm gonna say since I'm obviously off topic lol Terese At 07:36 PM 3/6/2009, you wrote: No problem, I just think they want to keep it quiet since it's quite sensitive what they have there. Who knows others have told me off list they don't care. So my apologies if this is now the case. Rick - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Sorry, I assumed since it was easily found on the net and I've heard others mention it on other email lists, it would be okay to share. I apologize. At 12:16 PM 3/6/2009, you wrote: This is a private list. You are not supposed to be publically announcing it. THat is a violation of that lists rules. Rick - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads it is an email list. You can subscribe at blindmoviebuff-subscr...@yahoogroups.com At 12:05 AM 3/6/2009, you wrote: So, what is the URL of the Blind Movie Buff list, to save me a hunt, if you please? Thanks, Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I get tons of us tv that has been described by groups overseas, I know quite a bit of described dvd's can be purchased on amazon.uk More information can be found on the blind movie buff list. At 07:25 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could
Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Presume no such thing. DVS on commercial video is quite rare. Would that this were not so. On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:41:59 -0500, you wrote: Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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On DVD it seems to be rare, but on regular network TV, some of the top shows are described like CSI. I don't know if 24 is, but I thought someone said they had described episodes, but they're old. - Original Message - From: Steve Matzura numb...@speakeasy.net To: pc-audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org; ipod blindi...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Presume no such thing. DVS on commercial video is quite rare. Would that this were not so. On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:41:59 -0500, you wrote: Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en
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Yah, I understand at least one of the reasons Nfb stopped descriptive video here is that they objected to the fact that the little weather ticker at the bottom of the screen was not read. While this would be something to work for, I allways thought it was rather, pardon me, stupid to stop all descriptive video, especially if when you hear the beeps indicating bad wetehr you can allways turn on a weather radio or log on to your favorite weather website or turn on a am or fm radio! Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3911 (20090305) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hey, that's great! But seriously, if you can find descriptive video dvds, dvd audio extractor is the best computer program I've found to play them with. Steve - Original Message - From: Gary Metzler gmtra...@bellsouth.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I liken the NFB to the Borg on Star Trek. Its just one collective mind. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Funny, a NFB member told me different. Rick - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send
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Funny, a NFB member told me different. Rick - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Its gotta hurt to know that an organization in which you believe works against you, but the facts are there. NFB participated in the suit to illiminate it in the US. Sorry you don't like it, but facts are facts. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:28 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Is all this pardisanship not just a whole lot off-topic for this list? And no, I'm not a member of the NFB, nor am I even American. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Gary Metzler wrote: I liken the NFB to the Borg on Star Trek. Its just one collective mind. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Funny, a NFB member told me different. Rick - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email
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I liken the NFB to the Borg on Star Trek. Its just one collective mind. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Funny, a NFB member told me different. Rick - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr
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I get tons of us tv that has been described by groups overseas, I know quite a bit of described dvd's can be purchased on amazon.uk More information can be found on the blind movie buff list. At 07:25 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr
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Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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DVD Audio Extractor can extract the described video track of, for example, the Corner Gas videos, into various formats that will play in mdeia players - Wave, MP3, OGG Vorbis, etc., and it also has a preview feature which essentially lets you play the tracks without extracting. Corner Gas is the only commercial TV series I know of that has described video on the standard buy-them-in-the-stores DVD's. There might well be others, but these are the only ones I know of. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, KANE BROLIN wrote: Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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So, what is the URL of the Blind Movie Buff list, to save me a hunt, if you please? Thanks, Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Terese Ann Goren ter...@tgoren.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I get tons of us tv that has been described by groups overseas, I know quite a bit of described dvd's can be purchased on amazon.uk More information can be found on the blind movie buff list. At 07:25 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: Lots of UK stuff supports DVS from what I've heard. Rick - Original Message - From: Lauren lotusris...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I have to disagree and know that NFB did not at the very least help the cause to have DVS which I really find helpful. Back to the topic however, are there any programs from PBS or UK that contain DVS? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: David R. Stayer davidandlorista...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Shalom. I do not want to argue with you , but NFB did not do anything to destroy the availability of DVDS in the United ?States. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads No, I was referring to his sarcasm about what planet Cane was on; totally unnecessary! - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon rickhar...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Mac, If you are referring to the NFB statement he's correct. The NFB did everything within their ability to destroy DVS in the united states and succeeded in their task almost completely.. Rick - Original Message - From: Mac Norins macata...@cox.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane
