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Greetings, No Yahoo or Google please, have you considered emissives who use mailman? http://www.eMissives.com I have a group set up there and it has a very accessible interface for me, still using windows XP Home and I.E.8. There are loads of member options to use and virtually all are checkboxes. Members receive their own password and web interface links.
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There is a group that moved away from Emissives because it's currently supposedly having some problems. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Colin Howard Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 5:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Greetings, No Yahoo or Google please, have you considered emissives who use mailman? http://www.eMissives.com I have a group set up there and it has a very accessible interface for me, still using windows XP Home and I.E.8. There are loads of member options to use and virtually all are checkboxes. Members receive their own password and web interface links. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
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Greetings, Jim Hunt wrote: There is a group that moved away from Emissives because it's currently supposedly having some problems. Supposedly? I am running one and am a member of two others, there are always problems when setting up a group no matter who hostes, at least with Emissives, they actually respond in a rapid and helpful manner.
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I'm sorry to report but this isn't the case with me. Just now I had an email from them but it wasn't good news. In fact there has been no new information since the original enquiry, and all they wanted to know was how my lists are as of right now. On 05/12/2014 15:14, Colin Howard wrote: Greetings, Jim Hunt wrote: There is a group that moved away from Emissives because it's currently supposedly having some problems. Supposedly? I am running one and am a member of two others, there are always problems when setting up a group no matter who hostes, at least with Emissives, they actually respond in a rapid and helpful manner.
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how could yahoo groups suck? On 12/3/2014 12:37 PM, Aidan wrote: Please not google or yahoo groups. They sucks. On 03/12/2014, Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net wrote: That is truly unfortunate. I am on other freelists lists which work ok, though I don't know the behind-the-scenes conditions of the running of them, etc. -- Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:27:23 -0500 Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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It sucks in terms of accessibility. It's gotten better but not the same as say Mailman or the new Groups.io site. On 04/12/2014 18:28, Sunshine wrote: how could yahoo groups suck? On 12/3/2014 12:37 PM, Aidan wrote: Please not google or yahoo groups. They sucks. On 03/12/2014, Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net wrote: That is truly unfortunate. I am on other freelists lists which work ok, though I don't know the behind-the-scenes conditions of the running of them, etc. -- Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:27:23 -0500 Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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Yahoo groops not work very well because yahoo needs to upgrade their servers when I had atnt they told me thats the reason why I had so many problems with my email. I can't get subscribed to yahoo email list I have been tring to subscribe to the bardtalk list and I don't get a conformational email every time that I have tried to subscribe to the list and the mods have told me they can't do anything about this problem. The yahoo site is also very slow soiI don't want anything to do with yahoo they are real pain in the butt and they suck royally. Brian Sackrider On 12/3/2014 1:37 PM, Aidan wrote: Please not google or yahoo groups. They sucks. On 03/12/2014, Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net wrote: That is truly unfortunate. I am on other freelists lists which work ok, though I don't know the behind-the-scenes conditions of the running of them, etc. -- Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:27:23 -0500 Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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Hi all, I did receive one bounce message last night, but after replying to the confirmation I was able to receive messages again. Can't really tell you where to move to. I tried Freelists but what put me off was the admin interface. I was fiddling about with members and ended up unsubscribing myself. After that I no longer had access to the admin interface. This isn't the case with Mailman. So I prefer Mailman over Freelists. But it's your list so do what's right for you. On 02/12/2014 22:27, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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I agree. No Google, please! As long as Google only claims to be accessible, which I haven't tried, with Google Chrome, I'm using it as little as possible. Take care, Alexandra -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:29 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List yes, googlegroups has become more or less completely inaccessible for screenreader users, and it is extremely annoying. I run a group there, and doing any moderating has become just about impossible, but at the same time, for the same reasons, I can't get to anything which would give me any of the info I need to look at moving that group to a more accessible platform either. Simon - Original Message - From: Charles Krugman ckrug...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Did Google groups get their accessibility issues resolved? I thought that at one point there were challenges for screen reader users who were moderatinhg or establishing groups using Googlegroups. Chuck -Original Message- From: Nick Giannak Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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Hi ton, I have little or no experience of list management software, but what I do have experience of, is the value of this list to me, and other members I am sure. So whatever you do, wherever you take the list, thanks for what you do. Joe On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 17:27:23 -0500 Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo -- Joe Paton j...@vi-ability.demon.co.uk
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Mailman is much better, let us know if you can't find a hosting provider, I know of some private ones. Alexandra Grünauer al.gruena...@gmx.de wrote: I agree. No Google, please! As long as Google only claims to be accessible, which I haven't tried, with Google Chrome, I'm using it as little as possible. Take care, Alexandra -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:29 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List yes, googlegroups has become more or less completely inaccessible for screenreader users, and it is extremely annoying. I run a group there, and doing any moderating has become just about impossible, but at the same time, for the same reasons, I can't get to anything which would give me any of the info I need to look at moving that group to a more accessible platform either. Simon - Original Message - From: Charles Krugman ckrug...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Did Google groups get their accessibility issues resolved? I thought that at one point there were challenges for screen reader users who were moderatinhg or establishing groups using Googlegroups. Chuck -Original Message- From: Nick Giannak Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
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Hi Tom, This list really is of great value, so just do, what you think will be the best for this list to stay online. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Tom Sendt: 2. december 2014 23:27 Til: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Emne: Future Of The PC Audio List Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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As long as it remains an email-based system and doesn't require one to visit a web site all the time, I'll be happy where-ever it is. I'd also mention Groups.IO (www.groups.io) as an alternative provider; it's new, and run by an former Yahoo engineer (who left before the current management of Yahoo decided to break everything). -- rgds LAurence
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Google groups is fine for email subscribers. Their web interface is pretty ghastly though; I don't know what it's like to run a group there. As you didn't say, I take it you've alreday dismissed Yahoo groups? If you haven't, do. -- rgds LAurence
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Yes, I won’ continue to be a member if it goes to a place where you need to read on a web site. That makes it very difficult. From: Laurence Taylor Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 3:16 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List As long as it remains an email-based system and doesn't require one to visit a web site all the time, I'll be happy where-ever it is. I'd also mention Groups.IO (www.groups.io) as an alternative provider; it's new, and run by an former Yahoo engineer (who left before the current management of Yahoo decided to break everything). -- rgds LAurence
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Yep...that's kind of where I am; as I said last night, as long as I can get to it from Outlook 2013 and don't have to be visiting a website, I'll be there! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Taylor Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:17 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List As long as it remains an email-based system and doesn't require one to visit a web site all the time, I'll be happy where-ever it is. I'd also mention Groups.IO (www.groups.io) as an alternative provider; it's new, and run by an former Yahoo engineer (who left before the current management of Yahoo decided to break everything). -- rgds LAurence
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That is truly unfortunate. I am on other freelists lists which work ok, though I don't know the behind-the-scenes conditions of the running of them, etc. -- Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:27:23 -0500 Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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Please not google or yahoo groups. They sucks. On 03/12/2014, Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net wrote: That is truly unfortunate. I am on other freelists lists which work ok, though I don't know the behind-the-scenes conditions of the running of them, etc. -- Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:27:23 -0500 Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo -- Facebook: m.facebook.com/aidan.maher92 Skype: andries4451 Twitter: smarttalk7 Audioboo: www.audioboo.com/DjSpotlight
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I have a group on Yahoogroups as well with the same accessible but clunky interface. On 03/12/2014 18:37, Aidan wrote: Please not google or yahoo groups. They sucks. On 03/12/2014, Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net wrote: That is truly unfortunate. I am on other freelists lists which work ok, though I don't know the behind-the-scenes conditions of the running of them, etc. -- Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:27:23 -0500 Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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I've ran groups on Yahoogroups using the old format and I understand that the new web-based format is very confusing even for sighted people. I haven't had a group there for a while. Chuck -Original Message- From: Laurence Taylor Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Google groups is fine for email subscribers. Their web interface is pretty ghastly though; I don't know what it's like to run a group there. As you didn't say, I take it you've alreday dismissed Yahoo groups? If you haven't, do. -- rgds LAurence
Future Of The PC Audio List
Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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What about mail man, or is this list currently there? I'm asking as I'm not sure but I find them working well. I don't mind free lists though. On 03/12/2014, Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo -- Facebook: m.facebook.com/aidan.maher92 Skype: andries4451 Twitter: smarttalk7 Audioboo: www.audioboo.com/DjSpotlight
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Sure! Freelist for me sounds great! El 02/12/2014 04:27 p.m., Tom escribió: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo -- Enviado desde mi lap Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
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I think moving to free lists would be a good idea Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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What is the problem with Freelists from your point of view? From: Nick Giannak Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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Nick is 100% right. Although, I'm hearing some not-so-good things about dreamhost of late, maybe they've improoved, this was quite a while back. I've also stopped dealing with ultrahosts, though, they were ok for a while and then they stopped working and have been nothing but problematic ever since. Either way the pc-audio list is a valuable resource so please keep it around if possible. On 12/2/2014 5:55 PM, Nick Giannak wrote: Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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Tom, free list sounds good. earlier, Tom, wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo John
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I hope the list remains! It is a great source for information and interesting comments; please keep it, wherever it resides! - Original Message - From: Tom t...@pc-audio.org To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 5:27 PM Subject: Future Of The PC Audio List Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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I'll join the others who have expressed the hope that this list can remain. I hope you don't go to google groups; google's track record for accessibility and ease of use is, well, not all that wonderful. That's from the point of view of an end user. I have no idea what it is like for a manager. Mary
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did I miss something here? how do I subscribe to this list? At 06:13 PM 12/2/2014, you wrote: I'll join the others who have expressed the hope that this list can remain. I hope you don't go to google groups; google's track record for accessibility and ease of use is, well, not all that wonderful. That's from the point of view of an end user. I have no idea what it is like for a manager. Mary
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Did Google groups get their accessibility issues resolved? I thought that at one point there were challenges for screen reader users who were moderatinhg or establishing groups using Googlegroups. Chuck -Original Message- From: Nick Giannak Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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I guess if the place where it's at isn't working, then yeah. To free lists it must go. Blind cool Tech had theirs there. I thought from what everyone has been saying you were going to kill it off. To which I'd say oh no don't do that. This list is so epic! It's very helpful too. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 5:27 PM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Future Of The PC Audio List Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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I too vote for Freelists. Please don’t close the list. and as for using Twitter or Facebook for this sort of group, please don’t go that way. P. From: Hamit Campos Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:33 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Future Of The PC Audio List I guess if the place where it's at isn't working, then yeah. To free lists it must go. Blind cool Tech had theirs there. I thought from what everyone has been saying you were going to kill it off. To which I'd say oh no don't do that. This list is so epic! It's very helpful too. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 5:27 PM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Future Of The PC Audio List Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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I'd never heard of that, but it's not impossible. Something you can look at on your own, of course, before moving the domain. On 12/2/2014 7:18 PM, Charles Krugman wrote: Did Google groups get their accessibility issues resolved? I thought that at one point there were challenges for screen reader users who were moderatinhg or establishing groups using Googlegroups. Chuck -Original Message- From: Nick Giannak Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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DreamHost has had growing pains in the past. However, I can honestly say that getting an east coast datacenter was the best thing they ever did, because they could more effectively distribute their resources. I have become fond of DreamHost once again, and I've been with them since 2006. Even if not DH, other like hosts would be good, E.G. Site5. Just, don't blame Mailman for your problems...blame the guys running it. Bye bye, Ultrahost. On 12/2/2014 6:11 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote: Nick is 100% right. Although, I'm hearing some not-so-good things about dreamhost of late, maybe they've improoved, this was quite a while back. I've also stopped dealing with ultrahosts, though, they were ok for a while and then they stopped working and have been nothing but problematic ever since. Either way the pc-audio list is a valuable resource so please keep it around if possible. On 12/2/2014 5:55 PM, Nick Giannak wrote: Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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The problem with Freelists from my point of view is the lack of control associated with it. Freelists is exactly that. A free service. You have no idea when it will suddenly go to crap, and then that's a waste of a list...and a new mailing address to remember because you've chosen to move some place else. The domain is just too valuable, and I'm honestly shocked that more hasn't been done with it. If you moved to another webhost with mailman, there's transparency to the user. I firmly believe mailman is not at fault for the problems here. The webhost itself, on the other hand... On 12/2/2014 6:02 PM, Peter Scanlon wrote: What is the problem with Freelists from your point of view? From: Nick Giannak Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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Hello Tom, When you say (freelists), are you referring to the freelists.org site where the winamp mailing list and blind tech mailing lists are currently located? If so, that actually wouldn't be too bad. Of course it would mean that we'd have to re-signup for the list, but that's not any problem for me. Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 5:27 PM To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Future Of The PC Audio List Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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This is a good list, so whichever place it moves to, as long as my Outlook 2013 will deal with it, is fine by me; just let us know what we need to do! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:14 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List I'll join the others who have expressed the hope that this list can remain. I hope you don't go to google groups; google's track record for accessibility and ease of use is, well, not all that wonderful. That's from the point of view of an end user. I have no idea what it is like for a manager. Mary
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yes, googlegroups has become more or less completely inaccessible for screenreader users, and it is extremely annoying. I run a group there, and doing any moderating has become just about impossible, but at the same time, for the same reasons, I can't get to anything which would give me any of the info I need to look at moving that group to a more accessible platform either. Simon - Original Message - From: Charles Krugman ckrug...@sbcglobal.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Did Google groups get their accessibility issues resolved? I thought that at one point there were challenges for screen reader users who were moderatinhg or establishing groups using Googlegroups. Chuck -Original Message- From: Nick Giannak Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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Hi, Tom, I see no problem with Freelists. I send and receive quite a few message from folks on that list. I don't have much to say here most of the time, but I do say that your list is a valuable resource. Joe Giovanelli - Original Message - From: Tom t...@pc-audio.org To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 17:27 Subject: Future Of The PC Audio List Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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might as well, sounds good. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
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hostgator is also an option for hosting, I am not sure whether they have mailman or not. Nick Giannak n...@hkcradio.com wrote: Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
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Hi all, I have a group on Googlegroups. It's accessible but clunky to say the least. This is with NVDA. On 03/12/2014 00:18, Charles Krugman wrote: Did Google groups get their accessibility issues resolved? I thought that at one point there were challenges for screen reader users who were moderatinhg or establishing groups using Googlegroups. Chuck -Original Message- From: Nick Giannak Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 2:55 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Future Of The PC Audio List Honestly, Tom? I actually think it has something to do with your reliance on Ultrahost more than anything else. I'd be more apt to have you host your list's email somewhere else, before resorting to Freelists. The domain is too good to waste as such. I can host pC-Audio on my DreamHost hosting plan, as i have unlimited domains and unlimited...well, everything. I won't charge you, and we can see how you like it that way. Alternatively, subscribe to Google Apps pro, host your domain there and use Google Groups on said domain, and have rock solid lists for as long as you like. But please...no freelists. On 12/2/2014 5:27 PM, Tom wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, The hosting for the pc audio list and the domain name will expire at the end of December. The list software has been problematic for over a year. Not sending messages to some people, not allowing some people to send messages to the list, bouncing messages to valid e-mail addresses, a lot of trash etc. I'm considering taking the list to free lists. I don't mind paying for the domain name and hosting of the list but the support just has not been very good. I'm open to thoughts and opinions. t...@pc-audio.org Thank you. Tom Dimeo
