Re: .MP3 or .Wav

2007-07-24 Thread Jerry Richer
 There are several levels of MP3.  The larger the MP3 file is for a
given Wave file, the better the audio quality.  The largest file is the one
that is not compressed at all and is the original Wave file.  Now there are
several levels of Wave files also but the Wave file quality is determined at
recording time and once the recording is made the quality of the Wave file
can not be changed.  I can compress a given Wave file into any one of
several levels of MP3.  What level of MP3 I use depends on what sort of
audio quality I want and how much room I have on my hard drive.  I usually
compress my music to 128 Kilo Bits per Second MP3.  This shrinks a Wave file
down to one tenth of its original size.  With this level of compression,
some people can hear the loss in audio quality and some can't.  A CD quality
Wave file plays at 1378 Kilo Bits per Second.  I usually compress speech
down to 32 Kilo Bits per Second MP3.  This shrinks a Wave file down to one
fortieth its original size.  Music would sound bad at this level for most
anyone but speech quality here is good enough for me.
 I think most CD players these days can play MP3 files as well as
regular CDs.  Mine does and I bought it four years ago.  If I bought a new
CD player today though I would still check to be sure that it would play
MP3s.

   Jerry

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Re: .MP3 or .Wav

2007-07-24 Thread Morey Worthington
Hi Jerry,
Thank you very much for the detailed explanation which made absolute sense.
Will try to put information to good use.
Thank you again,
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Re: .MP3 or .Wav

2007-07-24 Thread DJ DOCTOR P
High Jerry,
I got a Sherwood 5 disc changer for my birthday for one of my vintage stereo 
systems.
I put a cd that was full of mp three files in it, but it wouldn't play it.
So I scanned the user manual in to Open Book to find out why it wouldn't 
play mp three cds, it has a list of types of cds that it will play.
It will play cdrs and cdrws, but it says it won't play mp three cds.
I guess you have to look closely for a hi fi cd player/changer that will 
play mp three cds as well as all of the others which is what I plan to do.
My best regards to you all!
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> There are several levels of MP3.  The larger the MP3 file is for a
> given Wave file, the better the audio quality.  The largest file is the 
> one
> that is not compressed at all and is the original Wave file.  Now there 
> are
> several levels of Wave files also but the Wave file quality is determined 
> at
> recording time and once the recording is made the quality of the Wave file
> can not be changed.  I can compress a given Wave file into any one of
> several levels of MP3.  What level of MP3 I use depends on what sort of
> audio quality I want and how much room I have on my hard drive.  I usually
> compress my music to 128 Kilo Bits per Second MP3.  This shrinks a Wave 
> file
> down to one tenth of its original size.  With this level of compression,
> some people can hear the loss in audio quality and some can't.  A CD 
> quality
> Wave file plays at 1378 Kilo Bits per Second.  I usually compress speech
> down to 32 Kilo Bits per Second MP3.  This shrinks a Wave file down to one
> fortieth its original size.  Music would sound bad at this level for most
> anyone but speech quality here is good enough for me.
> I think most CD players these days can play MP3 files as well as
> regular CDs.  Mine does and I bought it four years ago.  If I bought a new
> CD player today though I would still check to be sure that it would play
> MP3s.
>
>   Jerry
>
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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread Dane Trethowan

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If you're really worried about quality and you're not particularly 
concerned about disc space (perhaps you'd rather copy to DVD'S for your 
record collection rather than CD'S) then you may consider a lossless 
compression format such as FLAC.  A tipical 600 meg wave file will be 
compressed to 300 or 400 meg without any loss in quality, you can then 
decode the Flac file back to a wave file if you wish (again! with no loss 
in quality), this cannot be said for MP3, the more you convert or decode 
and re-encode your MP3 files then the more noticable the quality loss will be.

A plug-in for Winamp is available to allow it to play Flac files.

Many rippers will handle Flac files including Exact Audio Copy, Easy CD DA 
Extractor etc.  Nero will also handle Flac files, EAC cue sheets etc.

Allot of the portable players around (particularly those which allow 
firmware upgrading and direct programming through LINUX support the FLAC 
format.

So (I guess my point is in summarising (if you can) leave MP3, OGG etc behind.

If you're going to use MP3 then try the new LAME VBR settings, takes a 
while to compress but the results are outstanding! as far as MP3 goes, 
you'll get small files with great sound as LAME encodes each frame of each 
track according to the best bit-rate available for that frame rather than 
doing all the track at a set bit rate.

At 11:31 AM 27/08/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>I am copying my vinyl records to be put on a CD. Understanding that the
>quality of the record means much, the following question still pertains to
>quality.
>Which format has the better recording quality..mp3 or wav?
>If I recorded in .wav and then converted that .wav file to .mp3 would the
>quality change?
>I guess what I am asking, which format sounds better in the finished
>product?
>Thanks,
>Morey
>
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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread ron scott
Hi Morey, part of the answer might lay in the recording program you use.
If you are doing editing, gold wave, for example, only edits in wave files.
So noise reduction, pop and click removal, etc, has to be done in wave,
before converting to other formats.
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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread Matt
Your computer will record to wav format by default, but you can choose what 
format the recording is rendered to when it is saved.

I suggest that you choose to save your recording as an MP3, with a bit depth 
of at least 192 KBPS, and a sampling rate of 44100HZ. I tend to use 192 KBPS 
or higher for all my music.

The optimum would be 256 KBPS, because it's still pretty small, but it is 
very difficult for the human ear to pick up the compression errors at that 
bit depth. You might notice that something isn't quite right at 192 KBPS, 
but that's usually only on high frequency sounds like symbols etc.

Bit depths like 160, 128 and 112 KBPS are really not all that great for 
music.

If you choose to store your music in the Ogg format, you can choose a bit 
depth of say, 128 KBPS, or even 112 KBPS, because OGG quality is better than 
MP3 at lower bit depths.

You should remember however, that whatever format you choose in the end, you 
must make sure that everything is set to stereo when you save your 
recording! So many times I've recorded something, and forgotten that my last 
recording was a mono one, and I've gone and saved my lovely stereo recording 
as a mono one and had to start all over again!

Anyway, hope all that helps:
Regards,
Matt
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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread Matt
Beg to differ here.
As long as you do not change bit rates, encoding an MP3 from a wav file, and 
then going back to Wav from that same MP3 later on will not cause a loss in 
quality. That is to say, your newly rendered Wav file will be the same 
quality as your MP3 file, because a Wav file is a photographic image of your 
MP3.

You can go back to a new MP3 from your second Wav and so on, and there will 
be no noticeable loss of quality as long as your MP3 bit depth does not drop 
below 320 KBPS every time you encode back to MP3.

Of course there will eventually be a decay in the audio quality, but you'd 
have to swap back and forward an unlikely number of times before this 
happens, and hey ... Who's really gonna sit there and do that anyway? In 
terms of switching backwards and forwards 3 or 4 times though ... no 
problem. You just have to choose a bit depth of at least 224 KBPS when 
encoding each time, but preferably 320 KBPS.

Regards,
Matt

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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread doc
Can I get more information on "LAME VBR"?
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If you're really worried about quality and you're not particularly
concerned about disc space (perhaps you'd rather copy to DVD'S for your
record collection rather than CD'S) then you may consider a lossless
compression format such as FLAC.  A tipical 600 meg wave file will be
compressed to 300 or 400 meg without any loss in quality, you can then
decode the Flac file back to a wave file if you wish (again! with no loss
in quality), this cannot be said for MP3, the more you convert or decode
and re-encode your MP3 files then the more noticable the quality loss will
be.

A plug-in for Winamp is available to allow it to play Flac files.

Many rippers will handle Flac files including Exact Audio Copy, Easy CD DA
Extractor etc.  Nero will also handle Flac files, EAC cue sheets etc.

Allot of the portable players around (particularly those which allow
firmware upgrading and direct programming through LINUX support the FLAC
format.

So (I guess my point is in summarising (if you can) leave MP3, OGG etc
behind.

If you're going to use MP3 then try the new LAME VBR settings, takes a
while to compress but the results are outstanding! as far as MP3 goes,
you'll get small files with great sound as LAME encodes each frame of each
track according to the best bit-rate available for that frame rather than
doing all the track at a set bit rate.

At 11:31 AM 27/08/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>I am copying my vinyl records to be put on a CD. Understanding that the
>quality of the record means much, the following question still pertains to
>quality.
>Which format has the better recording quality..mp3 or wav?
>If I recorded in .wav and then converted that .wav file to .mp3 would the
>quality change?
>I guess what I am asking, which format sounds better in the finished
>product?
>Thanks,
>Morey
>
>
>
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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread Gary Wood
It sounds like the Lame encoders are a good thing for MP3's.  I have it with 
CDex, and it does sound like with Lame that the quality is about as good as 
the original wav file.
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Subject: mp3 or wav


Hello all,
I am copying my vinyl records to be put on a CD. Understanding that the
quality of the record means much, the following question still pertains to
quality.
Which format has the better recording quality..mp3 or wav?
If I recorded in .wav and then converted that .wav file to .mp3 would the
quality change?
I guess what I am asking, which format sounds better in the finished
product?
Thanks,
Morey

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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread Gary Wood
With CDex, I have Lame vbr.  It sounds like vbr is a good thing for MP3's, 
as like was mentioned, the quality of recordings can vary.  I'm wondering 
what is the best setting for vbr?  I have it set to 9, as that is the 
maximum.  Is that the best setting for vbr (variable bit rate)?
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Can I get more information on "LAME VBR"?
Doc Wright
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Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: mp3 or wav


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If you're really worried about quality and you're not particularly
concerned about disc space (perhaps you'd rather copy to DVD'S for your
record collection rather than CD'S) then you may consider a lossless
compression format such as FLAC.  A tipical 600 meg wave file will be
compressed to 300 or 400 meg without any loss in quality, you can then
decode the Flac file back to a wave file if you wish (again! with no loss
in quality), this cannot be said for MP3, the more you convert or decode
and re-encode your MP3 files then the more noticable the quality loss will
be.
A plug-in for Winamp is available to allow it to play Flac files.
Many rippers will handle Flac files including Exact Audio Copy, Easy CD DA
Extractor etc.  Nero will also handle Flac files, EAC cue sheets etc.
Allot of the portable players around (particularly those which allow
firmware upgrading and direct programming through LINUX support the FLAC
format.
So (I guess my point is in summarising (if you can) leave MP3, OGG etc
behind.
If you're going to use MP3 then try the new LAME VBR settings, takes a
while to compress but the results are outstanding! as far as MP3 goes,
you'll get small files with great sound as LAME encodes each frame of each
track according to the best bit-rate available for that frame rather than
doing all the track at a set bit rate.
At 11:31 AM 27/08/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Hello all,
I am copying my vinyl records to be put on a CD. Understanding that the
quality of the record means much, the following question still pertains to
quality.
Which format has the better recording quality..mp3 or wav?
If I recorded in .wav and then converted that .wav file to .mp3 would the
quality change?
I guess what I am asking, which format sounds better in the finished
product?
Thanks,
Morey

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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread Dane Trethowan

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I would imagine that's the best obtainable but the problem is that those 
programmes that rely on the GUI version of LAME (LAME.ENC.DLL) think its 
called, will most likely not be able to use all the settings which allow 
extra processing, if your ripper allows the use of the LAME command line 
utility (LAME.EXE) then you'll be far better off as you can customise the 
encoder for all the latest options, Exact Audio Copy and Easy CD DA 
Extractor are 2 rippers I know of which allow the use of external compressors.

At 03:06 PM 27/08/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>With CDex, I have Lame vbr.  It sounds like vbr is a good thing for MP3's, 
>as like was mentioned, the quality of recordings can vary.  I'm wondering 
>what is the best setting for vbr?  I have it set to 9, as that is the 
>maximum.  Is that the best setting for vbr (variable bit rate)?
>- Original Message - From: "doc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: mp3 or wav
>
>
>>Can I get more information on "LAME VBR"?
>>Doc Wright
>>http://wrightplaceinc.net
>>*Wouldn't it be nice if whenever we messed
>>up our life we could
>>simply press,'Ctrl Alt Delete' and
>>start all over? AMEN, AMEN !!
>>
>>- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" 
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 10:41 AM
>>Subject: Re: mp3 or wav
>>
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>>If you're really worried about quality and you're not particularly
>>concerned about disc space (perhaps you'd rather copy to DVD'S for your
>>record collection rather than CD'S) then you may consider a lossless
>>compression format such as FLAC.  A tipical 600 meg wave file will be
>>compressed to 300 or 400 meg without any loss in quality, you can then
>>decode the Flac file back to a wave file if you wish (again! with no loss
>>in quality), this cannot be said for MP3, the more you convert or decode
>>and re-encode your MP3 files then the more noticable the quality loss will
>>be.
>>
>>A plug-in for Winamp is available to allow it to play Flac files.
>>
>>Many rippers will handle Flac files including Exact Audio Copy, Easy CD DA
>>Extractor etc.  Nero will also handle Flac files, EAC cue sheets etc.
>>
>>Allot of the portable players around (particularly those which allow
>>firmware upgrading and direct programming through LINUX support the FLAC
>>format.
>>
>>So (I guess my point is in summarising (if you can) leave MP3, OGG etc
>>behind.
>>
>>If you're going to use MP3 then try the new LAME VBR settings, takes a
>>while to compress but the results are outstanding! as far as MP3 goes,
>>you'll get small files with great sound as LAME encodes each frame of each
>>track according to the best bit-rate available for that frame rather than
>>doing all the track at a set bit rate.
>>
>>At 11:31 AM 27/08/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Hello all,
>>>I am copying my vinyl records to be put on a CD. Understanding that the
>>>quality of the record means much, the following question still pertains to
>>>quality.
>>>Which format has the better recording quality..mp3 or wav?
>>>If I recorded in .wav and then converted that .wav file to .mp3 would the
>>>quality change?
>>>I guess what I am asking, which format sounds better in the finished
>>>product?
>>>Thanks,
>>>Morey
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread Gary Petraccaro
It's all up to you and the settings you pick.  For sure, if you picked .WAV,
it would be as complete a copy as you could get and you could always convert
from that to something else later.  On the other hand, you would still get
compression, saving space, even at 256 or 320 using MP3, and it would sound
great.  Could you tell the difference in a double blind test?  I doubt it.
Could you play MP3s on any cd player in case you wanted?  No.

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> Hello all,
> I am copying my vinyl records to be put on a CD. Understanding that the
> quality of the record means much, the following question still pertains to
> quality.
> Which format has the better recording quality..mp3 or wav?
> If I recorded in .wav and then converted that .wav file to .mp3 would the
> quality change?
> I guess what I am asking, which format sounds better in the finished
> product?
> Thanks,
> Morey
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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread Sun Sparkle
ihave edited an mp3 already with gold wave and it worked great
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> Hi Morey, part of the answer might lay in the recording program you use.
> If you are doing editing, gold wave, for example, only edits in wave
files.
> So noise reduction, pop and click removal, etc, has to be done in wave,
> before converting to other formats.
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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-27 Thread Sun Sparkle
i would either recomand either mp3 or mp4 i think the quality of mp4 is a
lot better then mp3
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> Hello all,
> I am copying my vinyl records to be put on a CD. Understanding that the
> quality of the record means much, the following question still pertains to
> quality.
> Which format has the better recording quality..mp3 or wav?
> If I recorded in .wav and then converted that .wav file to .mp3 would the
> quality change?
> I guess what I am asking, which format sounds better in the finished
> product?
> Thanks,
> Morey
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Re: mp3 or wav

2004-08-28 Thread Morey Worthington
Hello to Dane and all.
Thanks for all the fine pointers on my question. Will now have to put them
to use.
Thanks again,
Morey



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