Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Phil Stone wrote: Hi Atte, Now that you're on your way with sssad, there's a nice trick you should know. If you find that loading a preset causes dropouts, consider using a ram disk to hold your presets during performance. This solved all my dropout problems, and it's easy to do (I can post a script for OS X if anyone wants it). Hi Phil yes please post the script. thanks eni ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like python does with import. $ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined math.sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined import math math.sin(0.5) 0.47942553860420301 Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] standalone apps WAS: make money not art
H...cool! The standalone app option for Mac OS X sounds great! I like to know *.bat is the best way for standalone app for Windows (I expected there was a better way). Saludos! 2008/7/21 Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because app packages are so different for each platform, it wouldn't really be feasible to make one Pd app format for all platforms. It seems for Windows that .bat is the best way. WIth the soon-to-be-released Pd-extended version on Mac OS X, you can make an standalone app from the File menu. I am now sketching out how to do this for Debian. Basically, it would make a .deb package out of your patches and set up a .desktop file for things like a shortcut in the Applications menu and automatically configure the dependencies. .hc On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:43 AM, raul diaz wrote: Hi List! Sorry for the delayed answer... I find really interesting marius' topic. I was fighting with standalone application with processing+pd, but I only made a *.bat file which runs processing executable and pd. This *.bat allows to specify any pd configurations (audio rate, libraries, gui/nogui, etc..). But the problem of this kind of standalone based on bat file is that is only available for windows. I haven't knowledge on binaries packages and distributions for different OS. But I suposse some people on this list would have some experience with this kind of binary data and distributions, and I would like to know its opinion about possibilities for pd+gem or pd+processing standalone applications. That's a wonderfull way to build really interesting sound applications with friendly and nice interfaces. I'll wait for your ideas! Saludos! 2008/7/10 Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jul 7, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Enrique Erne wrote: marius schebella wrote: Hi, has someone experience in distributing and probably selling pd standalones? I was thinking of a combination of flash interface (or Gem?) and sound patch. right now I think the best way to do this would be to create an executable application for every platform and architecture including the used external libraries. The patch would start up in -nogui mode, although I am not sure how to handle sound settings from within the application. hi marius i love the puredataprocessing combunation that raul diaz has posted what do you think about that? http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-06/062706.html That would also be a really cool example project for the SVG GUI toolkit that was on this list a few days ago. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Raul Diaz Poblete * http://creaciodigital.upf.edu/~i50874/http://creaciodigital.upf.edu/%7Ei50874/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Barcelona [Spain] ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,' she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf -- Raul Diaz Poblete * http://creaciodigital.upf.edu/~i50874/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Barcelona [Spain] ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: because of prepend - list prepend ?? prepend should be deprecated, as it can be implemented in pure-pd language (with list route objects) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd, ubuntu 8.04, jack
hi, i have no problem using ubuntu 8.04 - 32bit - jack - pd. be sure to tweak jack (use qjackctl - setup...). Realtime, Buffer 256 for example. start pd with -rt - jack - sudo chmod +s /usr/local/bin/pd (be careful). is it working better? pat Julian Peterson wrote: Hello pd-ers. I'm having difficulties getting reliable performance out of pd with jack on latest ubuntu and am looking for advice. I have tried the pd version from ubuntu repositories and a build from latest vanilla sources (from M.P.'s site) and get the same behavior: 1) Pd works great with ALSA. 2) Jack works great with all other jack-apps. 3) Pd audio clicks and drops very frequently when using jack. I'm on 64bit ubuntu. Thanks, Julian ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like python does with import. $ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined math.sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined import math math.sin(0.5) 0.47942553860420301 Ciao is this a good idea? pd comes with a set of tools, I don't see a reason why I should import [bang] before I can use it. I (don't) want to be treated like a child in a sandpit here: mummy, can I have the shovel? say please please can I have the shovel? you know, my darling, this shovel is from toys r us... can you say, mummy please can I have the shovel from toys r us? please can I have the shovel from toys r us? cutie! say thank you thank you kiss mummy! kiss... marius. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released
* On 2008-07-22 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like python does with import. $ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined math.sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined import math math.sin(0.5) 0.47942553860420301 Ciao is this a good idea? pd comes with a set of tools, I don't see a reason why I should import [bang] before I can use it. I (don't) want to be treated like a child in a sandpit here: mummy, can I have the shovel? say please please can I have the shovel? you know, my darling, this shovel is from toys r us... can you say, mummy please can I have the shovel from toys r us? please can I have the shovel from toys r us? cutie! say thank you thank you kiss mummy! kiss... marius. Or the other version: mummy, can I have the shovel which shovel, dear, the red one or the blue one the blue one here you are dear Next time, you'll learn to ask for one of the specific shovels right away: red/shovel or blue/shovel. -- :wq ^X^Cy^K^X^C^C^C^C ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] bcr2000 and midi-feedback
Hi I have assigned a knob on my bcr2000 to a vertical slider in pd. Under the sliders properties, I have set send-symbol and receive-symbol to send and rec. I then have [ctlin 1] | [/ 127] | [s rec] [r send] | [* 127] | [ctlout 1] This basically works, the upper one is receiving from the bcr and moving the fader in pd, the lower one is updating the display on the bcr when the knob is moved in pd. The problem is that pd sends it's send-symbol, even if the fader is moved as a result of the receive-symbol. This means that the bcr get's the value right back, with a small delay, which causes the whole to be very reluctent to accept movements from the bcr. I could make some logic that doesn't send the value back if it was received from midi, but thought I'd ask if there was a simpler solution? For instance is it possible to have pd's knobs *not* send it's send-symbol if the fader was moved as a result of a receive-symbol? -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] freehand drawing on video in GEM
Le 22 juil. 08 à 02:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :Single buffered drawing won't work with what he is describing, unless he repaints all of the brush strokes. When a new video frame is drawn, it will overwrite everything. This can be worked around by playing with the Z values though...set the video to draw behind the brush strokes and then make sure that you do Z writes for the brushes. However, you won't be able to do alpha with this... Yes Mark, this the first patch join to this mail (paintandvideo.pd). The best way to do this would be to either cache the brushes or renderer the brushes to another render target with alpha. Then draw the video frame and draw the brush over top. You could also hand render the brushes to a texture with alpha and then just draw the quad. I don't know what the current set of GEM objects is though, so these 2 ideas might require creating some new objects. A dynamic system (heavy) in the second patch (paintandvideobuf0.pd) with 2 abstraction mycircle and my curve. I will try with texture next time.++Jack mycircle.pd Description: Binary data paintandvideo.pd Description: Binary data mycurve.pd Description: Binary data paintandvideobuf0.pd Description: Binary data Mark Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]07/21/2008 05:04 PM To "Spencer Russell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc pd-list@iem.at Subject Re: [PD] freehand drawing on video in GEM As suggested by Chris, single buffer rendering is the good choice. Then send a bang from [metro 1] (for exemple) to [gemhead] to force the rendering (to your [gemhead] with the movie and to your [gemhead] for the 'painting'). ++ Jack Le 21 juil. 08 à 23:51, Spencer Russell a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:28 PM, chris clepper > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Single buffer rendering can be used for 'painting' using a geos as >> various >> brush types. > > The difficulty though, is that I want to draw some parts in a freehand > single-buffer style, but I want it to be mixed and layered with video > that's drawn normally. > > thanks, > spencer > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] script.lua (in pdmtl abs)
Hello, I think I forgot to mention that I created a nice abstraction wrapper for [lua] and [luax]. It defaults to opening a *.pd_luax, but you can open a *.pd_lua by providing it the argument @luax 0. It is in the PdMtlAbstractions. Any comments welcome. Cheers, -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bcr2000 and midi-feedback
Hi, You can set the value of the slider without having it sent back with a 'set' message [ctlin 1] | [/127] | [set $1( | [s rec] cheers, Kristof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net http://myspace.com/xofxof At 15:31 2008-07-22, you wrote: Hi I have assigned a knob on my bcr2000 to a vertical slider in pd. Under the sliders properties, I have set send-symbol and receive-symbol to send and rec. I then have [ctlin 1] | [/ 127] | [s rec] [r send] | [* 127] | [ctlout 1] This basically works, the upper one is receiving from the bcr and moving the fader in pd, the lower one is updating the display on the bcr when the knob is moved in pd. The problem is that pd sends it's send-symbol, even if the fader is moved as a result of the receive-symbol. This means that the bcr get's the value right back, with a small delay, which causes the whole to be very reluctent to accept movements from the bcr. I could make some logic that doesn't send the value back if it was received from midi, but thought I'd ask if there was a simpler solution? For instance is it possible to have pd's knobs *not* send it's send-symbol if the fader was moved as a result of a receive-symbol? -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released
Ico Doornekamp wrote: * On 2008-07-22 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like python does with import. $ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined math.sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined import math math.sin(0.5) 0.47942553860420301 Ciao is this a good idea? pd comes with a set of tools, I don't see a reason why I should import [bang] before I can use it. I (don't) want to be treated like a child in a sandpit here: mummy, can I have the shovel? say please please can I have the shovel? you know, my darling, this shovel is from toys r us... can you say, mummy please can I have the shovel from toys r us? please can I have the shovel from toys r us? cutie! say thank you thank you kiss mummy! kiss... marius. Or the other version: mummy, can I have the shovel which shovel, dear, the red one or the blue one the blue one here you are dear Next time, you'll learn to ask for one of the specific shovels right away: red/shovel or blue/shovel. no, there is only one shovel, if I want to change the color, I send it a message [color 13(. The above examples are bad schoolmasterly ways of doing it. to me these conceptual and programming decisions are backround informations that I don't want to hassle with as a user. pushing the decision blue.shovel vs. red.shovel to the user is imho conservative and uncreative. and btw any categorisation system is outdated/wrong in so many cases. I want to see pd more as a colloquial language that I can actually use, as opposed to a philosophical one, where I have to explain every word. communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.I communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.will communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.pack communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.my communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.us-corporate.apple.macbookpro.laptop communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.and communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.leave communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.time.now. marius. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bcr2000 and midi-feedback
Am 22.07.2008 um 15:31 schrieb Atte André Jensen: Hi I have assigned a knob on my bcr2000 to a vertical slider in pd. Under the sliders properties, I have set send-symbol and receive-symbol to send and rec. I then have [ctlin 1] | [/ 127] | [s rec] [r send] | [* 127] | [ctlout 1] This basically works, the upper one is receiving from the bcr and moving the fader in pd, the lower one is updating the display on the bcr when the knob is moved in pd. The problem is that pd sends it's send-symbol, even if the fader is moved as a result of the receive-symbol. This means that the bcr get's the value right back, with a small delay, which causes the whole to be very reluctent to accept movements from the bcr. I could make some logic that doesn't send the value back if it was received from midi, but thought I'd ask if there was a simpler solution? i cant think of any probably you need to pit the send and receive out of the slider and do something with t b b and spigot... but that would be what you call the logic cheers luigi For instance is it possible to have pd's knobs *not* send it's send-symbol if the fader was moved as a result of a receive-symbol? -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list --- Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype:gigischinke ichat:gigicarlo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bcr2000 and midi-feedback
Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi This basically works, the upper one is receiving from the bcr and moving the fader in pd, the lower one is updating the display on the bcr when the knob is moved in pd. The problem is that pd sends it's send-symbol, even if the fader is i doubt that Pd sends it's send-symbol moved as a result of the receive-symbol. This means that the bcr get's the value right back, with a small delay, which causes the whole to be very reluctent to accept movements from the bcr. I could make some logic that doesn't send the value back if it was received from midi, but thought I'd ask if there was a simpler solution? For instance is it possible to have pd's knobs *not* send it's send-symbol if the fader was moved as a result of a receive-symbol? anyhow, under the link below [1] is the abstraction that we use in our CUBEmixer-application in order to interact with midi (using behringer-sh!t) among other things. use it like [ctlin 1] | [sendreceive send] | [ctlout 0] [r bla] | [ \ the abstraction depends on iemlib2 in order to have settable sends/receives but if you don't want this, just replace it by ordinary [s]/[r]. fgmasdr. IOhannes [1] https://iem.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/iem/spatialization/CUBEmixer/trunk/lib/abs/sendreceive.pd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bcr2000 and midi-feedback
thats cool i didn know/never used that Am 22.07.2008 um 15:50 schrieb kristof lauwers: Hi, You can set the value of the slider without having it sent back with a 'set' message [ctlin 1] | [/127] | [set $1( | [s rec] cheers, Kristof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net http://myspace.com/xofxof At 15:31 2008-07-22, you wrote: Hi I have assigned a knob on my bcr2000 to a vertical slider in pd. Under the sliders properties, I have set send-symbol and receive-symbol to send and rec. I then have [ctlin 1] | [/ 127] | [s rec] [r send] | [* 127] | [ctlout 1] This basically works, the upper one is receiving from the bcr and moving the fader in pd, the lower one is updating the display on the bcr when the knob is moved in pd. The problem is that pd sends it's send-symbol, even if the fader is moved as a result of the receive-symbol. This means that the bcr get's the value right back, with a small delay, which causes the whole to be very reluctent to accept movements from the bcr. I could make some logic that doesn't send the value back if it was received from midi, but thought I'd ask if there was a simpler solution? For instance is it possible to have pd's knobs *not* send it's send-symbol if the fader was moved as a result of a receive-symbol? -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list --- Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype:gigischinke ichat:gigicarlo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bcr2000 and midi-feedback
kristof lauwers wrote: You can set the value of the slider without having it sent back with a 'set' message Thanks alot, exactly what I was looking for. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 09:56:58AM -0400, marius schebella wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: $ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'sin' is not defined math.sin(0.5) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? NameError: name 'math' is not defined import math math.sin(0.5) 0.47942553860420301 as opposed to a philosophical one, where I have to explain every word. communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.and communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.leave In Python you can also say: from math import sin sin(0.5) 0.47942553860420301 or even from math import * so for your examples you'd say: from communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word import * and leave The reason for this is that if you import absolutely everything into your global namespace by default, you pollute it and cause conflicts and name clashes. This has been discussed several times on the list and is a terrible idea. This has also been solved 100% by languages like Python already, as illustrated by Frank above. Things like [bang] are core types of the language and should probably be imported into the global namespace by default. Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] freehand drawing on video in GEM
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 22 juil. 08 à 02:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Single buffered drawing won't work with what he is describing, unless he repaints all of the brush strokes. When a new video frame is drawn, it will overwrite everything. This can be worked around by playing with the Z values though...set the video to draw behind the brush strokes and then make sure that you do Z writes for the brushes. However, you won't be able to do alpha with this... Yes Mark, this the first patch join to this mail (paintandvideo.pd). paintandvideo.pd is exactly what I needed. Thanks Jack! I guess I was still fuzzy on how the buffering works, because I didn't realize that you could render something behind something else in single-buffer mode. -spencer ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bcr2000 and midi-feedback
The problem is that pd sends it's send-symbol, even if the fader is moved as a result of the receive-symbol. This means that the bcr get's the value right back, with a small delay, which causes the whole to be very reluctent to accept movements from the bcr. I had to solve a similar problem in a few patches with my bcr2000, so I wrote a few small helper abstractions. I wanted to be able to move the controller and have it update a UI element in pd, and vice versa -- and I needed them to be in sync all the time. You can get these two abstractions here: http://noisybox.net/computers/pd/ctrl_sync.pd http://noisybox.net/computers/pd/nrpn_sync.pd They basically encapsulate the logic around spigot as Luigi suggested. Input the signal from a UI element (slider/ui/etc) into the top and feed back the control output back to the UI element. They're simple, so you should hopefully be able to extend them easily. They're a little stupid in that they assume a control range with 0 at the low end...but they helped clean up some patches and keep things in sync. -jason ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] aka.wiiremote now gets data with bangs
I made a little progress with the aka.wiiremote port for Mac OS X. You can now get the accelerometer data using bangs. It seems that not much else works though. Try it out and see what you can do with it. It's compiled as a universal binary: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/objects.html .hc Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released
Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: In Python you can also say: from math import sin sin(0.5) 0.47942553860420301 or even from math import * so for your examples you'd say: from communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word import * and leave The reason for this is that if you import absolutely everything into your global namespace by default, you pollute it and cause conflicts and name clashes. This has been discussed several times on the list and is a terrible idea. This has also been solved 100% by languages like Python already, as illustrated by Frank above. I think, another issue is what Pd should be like: more like Python with it's huge set of builtin, importable libraries or more like Lua with a very small core of just the necessary tools to get things running. As my example showed, in Python *everything* has to be imported except the builtin operators. In Lua you can directly call math.sin(x) without importing. But in Lua, you cannot import xml.sax.xmlreader.IncrementalParser as in Python, because Lua doesn't ship with such things. Pd-extended obviously has the Python model in mind, while I would prefer a more minimalistic, Lua-like Pd, as the latter is much easier to maintain, especially with a chaotic artsy community like ours. Then there are other problems: I don't think, there's an import or require for Pd, that works. AFAICT there's not even an agreement on how it *should* work (see the declare -path discussion). Before such an agreement is reached, code is fruitless. Even dangerous, as it adds more variables to consider when making decisions. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Ram disk script for OS X (was Re: saving state of a patch)
Hi,
Enrique Erne wrote:
Phil Stone wrote:
Hi Atte,
Now that you're on your way with sssad, there's a nice trick you
should know. If you find that loading a preset causes dropouts,
consider using a ram disk to hold your presets during performance.
This solved all my dropout problems, and it's easy to do (I can post
a script for OS X if anyone wants it).
Hi Phil
yes please post the script.
thanks
eni
OK. Most of this script is error checking; three lines do all the real
work.
This creates the ram disk as a volume called RamDisk. You can change
that name, if you like, by editing the line that begins with DISK_NAME=...
#!/bin/bash
#echo Creating ramdisk...
if [ -n $2 ]; then ARG_ERR=ERR; fi
if [ -z $1 ]; then ARG_ERR=ERR; fi
if [ -n $ARG_ERR ];
then
echo 1 argument: size in MB
exit
fi
MB_SIZE=$1
let MB_SIZE *= 2048
echo Creating ${MB_SIZE} 512-blocks ramdisk
CREATED_RAMDISK=`hdiutil attach -nomount ram://${MB_SIZE}`
echo New block device: ${CREATED_RAMDISK}
DISK_NAME=RamDisk
echo Creating volume with label: ${DISK_NAME}
newfs_hfs -v ${DISK_NAME} ${CREATED_RAMDISK}
echo Mounting in /Volumes/${DISK_NAME}
diskutil mount ${CREATED_RAMDISK}
exit 0
___
In my case, I call this from another script, which copies the presets I
need into the ram disk:
#!/bin/bash
# Create a 2M ramdisk:
~/ramdisk 2
# Copy music data to it
cp -R ~/PD_Patches/Presets/ /Volumes/RamDisk/Presets/
cp -R ~/PD_Patches/Presets_Meta/ /Volumes/RamDisk/Presets_Meta/
cp -R ~/PD_Patches/Scales/ /Volumes/RamDisk/Scales/
exit 0
_
Note that this works well for presets, and would probably be okay with
small sound files. However, all that's really happening is that the
load time is shorter because of faster access to ram as opposed to hard
drive. If you load a big enough file, even from ram disk, and it takes
longer than one dsp cycle to load, you'll still get dropouts.
Phil Stone
pkstonemusic.com
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Re: [PD] pd clicking with jack/linux
Hello list. I am getting the exact same issue mentioned by Atte Jensen. Was there ever a solution? I've already tried all of the typical optimizations: rt-kernel, rt-priorities straight, tinkering with jack settings, etc. I get this even with the built-in test audio/midi patch. Atte-- are you running 64bit ubuntu? Thanks, JP Hi I get clicks and DIO errors at random intervals under linux/ubuntu with jack (no xruns). I have a 17ms latency setup with jack and a realtime patched kernel and the rest of my audio setup works great with jack. I installed pd from Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080628-ubuntu-gutsy-i386.deb Any one else running a similar pd with a similar setup and either have it working or experience the same problems? -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released
Frank Barknecht wrote: Pd-extended obviously has the Python model in mind, while I would prefer a more minimalistic, Lua-like Pd, A really nice thing in python is that it comes with batteries included. You might have to import something from a lib, but it's always there on any platform. For a beginner like me, something similar with pd makes it easier to get started... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Hi Can I expect $0 to always be the same in a given abstraction every time I load a patch? The reason I ask, is I'd like to use $0 as an unique identifier together with sssad... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:37 +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi Can I expect $0 to always be the same in a given abstraction every time I load a patch? The reason I ask, is I'd like to use $0 as an unique identifier together with sssad... from my experience: yeah, if you open your patches in the exact same order, then all $0 are the same. BUT: it is not documented anywhere, how $0 behaves in detail. it might be possible, that in a future versions of pd it starts counting from another value than 1000 (which is a pretty arbitrary decision anyway). DON'T rely on it. also i don't think, that it is a good idea to force yourself to open your patches always in the same order. your system will fail, as soon as you edit your patch only in the slightiest way. it is recommended to do your own counter, that only counts what really needs to be counted for your state saving. roman ___ Der fr�he Vogel f�ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] aka.wiiremote now gets data with bangs
There are already GNU/Linux and Windows objects for Pd: GNU/Linux: http://mikewoz.com/index.php?page=pd-stuff Windows: http://code.google.com/p/wiisense/ .hc On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Hugh Sung wrote: Thanks for working on this! Any chance that you will be developing a version for PC users? I'd love to incorporate the wii in future projects! On 7/22/08, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made a little progress with the aka.wiiremote port for Mac OS X. You can now get the accelerometer data using bangs. It seems that not much else works though. Try it out and see what you can do with it. It's compiled as a universal binary: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/objects.html .hc -- -- Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- Hugh Sung www.hughsung.com www.TabletPCMusician.com www.musicmeetstech.com All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] how should namespaces work WAS: Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: In Python you can also say: from math import sin sin(0.5) 0.47942553860420301 or even from math import * so for your examples you'd say: from communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word import * and leave The reason for this is that if you import absolutely everything into your global namespace by default, you pollute it and cause conflicts and name clashes. This has been discussed several times on the list and is a terrible idea. This has also been solved 100% by languages like Python already, as illustrated by Frank above. I think, another issue is what Pd should be like: more like Python with it's huge set of builtin, importable libraries or more like Lua with a very small core of just the necessary tools to get things running. As my example showed, in Python *everything* has to be imported except the builtin operators. In Lua you can directly call math.sin(x) without importing. But in Lua, you cannot import xml.sax.xmlreader.IncrementalParser as in Python, because Lua doesn't ship with such things. Pd-extended obviously has the Python model in mind, while I would prefer a more minimalistic, Lua-like Pd, as the latter is much easier to maintain, especially with a chaotic artsy community like ours. Then there are other problems: I don't think, there's an import or require for Pd, that works. AFAICT there's not even an agreement on how it *should* work (see the declare -path discussion). Before such an agreement is reached, code is fruitless. Even dangerous, as it adds more variables to consider when making decisions. I think python may be a bit too strict I think [math/sin] should always work without having to import (so I guess that's like Lua). To me a key difference between the Python and Lua approaches are a matter of scale. Python aims to be a platform for programs of any size. Lua aims for small scale programming and even just configuration. As for included libraries, what is most important to me is to reduce the time spent reinventing the wheel, and then also installing and managing libraries. When many libraries are included, then you spend much less time reinventing the wheel and managing libraries. But it means more work for the developers. If we can figure out how to better distribute the work, then Pd-extended will work better. .hc Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Attempt at Tcl/Tk 8.5 Building
On Jul 21, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Luke Iannini wrote: Yo, On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like something crashing in Tcl/Tk, but that could still be Pd's fault. Sorry, I don't have any ideas beyond that. My best guess when I gave up was that Pd was still being run by an 8.4.7 wish process... looking through the relevant Pd source code it struck me as possible but I didn't confirm it for sure. Is there a way to see the child processes being spawned by the Pd-extended executable? I opened it via XCode's Instruments (aka gdb) but was overwhelmed quickly There are two processes with Pd, the GUI and pd itself. On Windows and GNU/Linux, the GUI is called 'pd-gui' and pd is called 'pd'. On Mac OS X, the GUI is called 'Pd' for vanilla and 'Pd-extended' for Pd- extended, and pd is called 'pd'. Here is how it looks on my machine: Pd-extended: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd-extended -psn_0_32243713 /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../bin/pd - guiport 5600 Pd-vanilla: /Applications/Pd-0.41-4.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd -psn_0_32374785 /Applications/Pd-0.41-4.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../bin/pd - guiport 5601 .hc Any luck with this? I find [EMAIL PROTECTED] and irc:// irc.freenode.net/tcl to both be quite helpful. Thanks for the TCL list/irc tip, I will go consult with them and see if I can get anywhere. Best Luke .hc On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Luke Iannini wrote: Hi all, I thought I might try to get a build going with Tcl/Tk 8.5 to check out the possible GUI speed improvements. Making darwin_app_core seems to build fine without any changes, but I end up with a Bus error when try to run it (via the terminal) and the crash log is at the bottom of this email. I'm looking through http://wiki.tcl.tk/20361 but maybe someone has some immediate insight. Cheers Luke Process: Pd-0.42.0-test3 [41336] Path: /Users/LukeIannini/PdSVN/packages/darwin_app/build/Pd-0.42.0- test3.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd-0.42.0-test3 Identifier: org.puredata.pd.wish Version: 0.42.0 (2008.07.12) Code Type: X86 (Native) Parent Process: launchd [123] Date/Time: 2008-07-12 19:16:52.650 -0700 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.4 (9E17) Report Version: 6 Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x Crashed Thread: 0 Thread 0 Crashed: 0 ??? 00 0 + 0 1 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x09ec5460 TclpThreadDataKeyGet + 16 2 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x09ec445c Tcl_GetThreadData + 19 3 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x09eab7ea TclFreeObj + 105 4 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x09ed1cf9 Tcl_GetVar2Ex + 108 5 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x09ed1d40 Tcl_GetVar2 + 38 6 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x09ed1d7f Tcl_GetVar + 39 7 libPdTcl.dylib0x0992f8eb Pdtcl_Init + 43 (t_tkcmd.c:622) 8 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a07107f Tcl_LoadObjCmd + 2305 9 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a00e279 TclEvalObjvInternal + 716 10 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a04a1e2 TclExecuteByteCode + 4490 11 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a052e23 TclCompEvalObj + 154 12 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a0113de TclEvalObjEx + 1025 13 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a018636 Tcl_IfObjCmd + 786 14 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a00e279 TclEvalObjvInternal + 716 15 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a010a2a TclEvalEx + 1728 16 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a010d8c Tcl_EvalEx + 46 17 com.tcltk.tcllibrary 0x0a06cc61 Tcl_FSEvalFileEx + 616 18 com.tcltk.tklibrary 0x0b01f079 Tk_MainEx + 1680 19 org.puredata.pd.wish 0x000112df main + 41 20 org.puredata.pd.wish 0x0001125e _start + 228 (crt.c:272) 21 org.puredata.pd.wish 0x00011179 start + 41 Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit): eax: 0xa0976fa0 ebx: 0x09ec52f3 ecx: 0x4d555458 edx: 0x09efd200 edi: 0x esi: 0x0058 ebp: 0xbfffe828 esp: 0xbfffe7cc ss: 0x001f efl: 0x00010282 eip: 0x cs: 0x0017 ds: 0x001f es: 0x001f fs: 0x gs: 0x0037 cr2: 0x ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list - --- http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Roman Haefeli wrote: it is recommended to do your own counter, that only counts what really needs to be counted for your state saving. Thanks for the advice, I'll take this route. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Speed of messages (WII-OSC..etc)
On Jul 12, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: Hi dear List I have a question regarding my Wiimote-OSC experiments. The wiimote data gets into PD via OSC, either through OSculator or through a linuxbox running the wiimote external. So i have problems computing really really fast movements from the wiimote and i would like to ask if somebody knows about the speed of messages, be it in OSC, PD or Osculator 1) What do you think is a reasonable message-rate for fast motion- data ? I have the impression i need to slow down the data (with speedlim, pipe or resample) to be able to process it properly - any experience with that or recommendations ? Pd can handle all of the data that the wiiremote sends, that is not a problem, unless you are on a machine that is 300MHz or less, then it might start to be too much. 2) What would you consider the bottleneck ? Probably in the transmission rate and polling rate of bluetooth. 3) Could it be an advantage to transform incoming OSC-messages into a signal ? instead of dealing with floats ? I doubt it. The idea behind it is to combine x-y IR Data from the wii with the accelleration data (Mapping accelleration to velocity, but catch the note from the IR-Position) Did anybody find a good solution for that ? I'll bet there is code that does that already, but probably not in Pd. For example, in one of Johnny Chung Lee's projects. You could either grab some C code and make an external, or translate the code into Pd. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/ .hc Thanks Luigi --- Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype:gigischinke ichat:gigicarlo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] print all abstractions and externals
On Jul 11, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: João Pais wrote: I meant the latest usable (which I have installed) builds of pd-extended, and the last version of pd-vanilla-without-documentation-about-data-strucutures-and-so-on (also being unfair). I haven't being using pd too much these days for sound, but in the last builds of pd-ext I didn't notice anything that was behind pd-van. before I was using pd-van .41 because of the symbol grab feature in the data structures (which I only know about because I requested it, it's not documented). as this feature is now possible in the current build of pd-ext, I notice no differences between them. ok, but this seems to be a bit subjective evaluation. To add a rant to the subjective evaluation: For an installation I currently have to run Pd on a Mac. We chose pd-extended as it has a good integration into OS-X, and as some of the other installations that will be shown on that machine need the externals pd-extended has included. I don't need many externals, but the most important one isn't missing in pd-extended: pdlua, but as a hardcore user I could install it. But here we stumbled over another important difference between 0.40 and 0.41: EXTERN void class_set_extern_dir(t_symbol *s); was introduced to m_pd.h in 0.41, iirc. At least it's missing in 0.40. This function is used by pdlua to find lua-modules in the patch's directory instead of in the LUAPATH only, which becomes more important because it's overly complicated to start pd on OS-X (and on MS-Windows) from the command line in a certain working directory as I'm used to from Linux. Somehow I didn't manage to make the package.path trick work, which I myself suggested as a fix once on pd-list, so in the end we copied every lua-module to /usr/local/share/lua/5.1. As this installation involves 80-channel output, we also run jack, and cross our fingers that everything will hold up. In general I must say, working on the bloated OS-X is no joy for someone used to a snappy lean Linux system. If only the Fireface would support Linux... Hear, hear! I also recently had to use Mac OS X for an installation, that's why I wrote the standalone app generator. But I missed using Debian. It is so helpful to be able to uninstall every single piece of software that isn't necessary. The NY Times installation is the perfect example: it was a Linux kernel, busybox, Python and Pd. And basically nothing else :D .hc Rant end. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] sssad slowness
Hi Ok, so I'm playing with sssad, and it's really easy to work with. I saved some of the settings in my environment (a sssad save is here: http://atte.dk/download/test_alive.txt). Loading/saving the state itself is snappy, but loading the main patch is really slow (hogs the machine for 15 seconds, before the load is complete). With plans to add more things to the state, I figure something else must be done. So: 1) Is this normal behaviour of sssad? 2) Should I change something in my setup (backend, ramdisk)? I guess this is not is the part of the problem since loading a state is fast but regular load of the sssad-enabled patch is sloow, but what do I know... 3) Is something broken in my sssad install? I had problems, that I solved by moving sssad* to /usr/lib/pd/extra/ (from /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/), but that might have left some badness behind. BTW: sssad-example, (from which I copied stuff) also loads quite slow, maybe 2-3 seconds. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sssad slowness
hi Atte i'm pretty sure it's the singleton it dynamically creates stuff onload. i hacked together a ad (slim super simple state saving system) uhm what was the a and the d in the abbreviation for? Atte would you mind and test my version? please test for functionality and loading time. i might have overseen something. good luck eni (i removed the singleton and included persistence) Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi Ok, so I'm playing with sssad, and it's really easy to work with. I saved some of the settings in my environment (a sssad save is here: http://atte.dk/download/test_alive.txt). Loading/saving the state itself is snappy, but loading the main patch is really slow (hogs the machine for 15 seconds, before the load is complete). With plans to add more things to the state, I figure something else must be done. So: 1) Is this normal behaviour of sssad? 2) Should I change something in my setup (backend, ramdisk)? I guess this is not is the part of the problem since loading a state is fast but regular load of the sssad-enabled patch is sloow, but what do I know... 3) Is something broken in my sssad install? I had problems, that I solved by moving sssad* to /usr/lib/pd/extra/ (from /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/), but that might have left some badness behind. BTW: sssad-example, (from which I copied stuff) also loads quite slow, maybe 2-3 seconds. #N canvas 267 25 728 505 10; #X obj 153 54 inlet; #X obj 153 417 outlet; #X obj 153 395 list; #X obj 176 161 r SSSAD; #X obj 218 134 s SSSAD; #X obj 218 112 list prepend \$1; #X obj 176 189 list trim; #X obj 218 54 inlet; #X obj 56 308 r SSSAD_ADMIN; #X obj 56 356 b; #X obj 56 334 route set; #X obj 153 81 b; #X obj 176 252 route \$1; #X obj 191 282 s \$0-sssad-data; #X obj 372 302 list; #X obj 372 362 list prepend \$1; #X obj 372 389 list prepend persist; #X obj 372 412 s SSSAD_ADMIN; #X obj 372 190 r SSSAD_ADMIN; #X obj 372 236 route save; #X obj 372 258 b; #X obj 395 279 r \$0-sssad-data; #X obj 372 212 spigot; #X obj 508 154 loadbang; #X obj 508 208 f 1; #X obj 540 258 sel 1; #X obj 525 182 r SSSAD_\$1.test; #X obj 540 303 s SSSAD_\$1.test; #X obj 540 279 f 0; #X obj 508 234 t a a; #X obj 526 338 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 1; #X text 549 337 - first?; #X connect 0 0 11 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 3 0 6 0; #X connect 5 0 4 0; #X connect 6 0 12 0; #X connect 7 0 5 0; #X connect 8 0 10 0; #X connect 9 0 2 0; #X connect 10 0 9 0; #X connect 11 0 2 0; #X connect 12 0 2 1; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 14 0 15 0; #X connect 15 0 16 0; #X connect 16 0 17 0; #X connect 18 0 22 0; #X connect 19 0 20 0; #X connect 20 0 14 0; #X connect 21 0 14 1; #X connect 22 0 19 0; #X connect 23 0 24 0; #X connect 24 0 29 0; #X connect 25 0 28 0; #X connect 26 0 24 1; #X connect 28 0 27 0; #X connect 29 0 22 1; #X connect 29 0 30 0; #X connect 29 1 25 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:37:44PM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote: The reason I ask, is I'd like to use $0 as an unique identifier together with sssad... Is this so you can save and load different groups of pre-sets separately? I have been trying to think of a nice portable solution to that problem, using sssad. I have some ideas, but nothing concrete yet. Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Chris McCormick wrote: Is this so you can save and load different groups of pre-sets separately? I have been trying to think of a nice portable solution to that problem, using sssad. I have some ideas, but nothing concrete yet. No. I have an abstraction that counts the beats (or 1/8 notes or other note values) and sends out 0, 1, 2, 3 etc for every beat. The idea is to instantiate this for every instrument that needs to know about time. So in one piece it might be two in others 50. A convienient way to store them was simply to refer to $0, since I didn't have to worry about making some unique identifier up for each instance. Does it make sense? -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 07:25:58AM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote: Chris McCormick wrote: Is this so you can save and load different groups of pre-sets separately? I have been trying to think of a nice portable solution to that problem, using sssad. I have some ideas, but nothing concrete yet. No. I have an abstraction that counts the beats (or 1/8 notes or other note values) and sends out 0, 1, 2, 3 etc for every beat. The idea is to instantiate this for every instrument that needs to know about time. So in one piece it might be two in others 50. A convienient way to store them was simply to refer to $0, since I didn't have to worry about making some unique identifier up for each instance. I understand. You want throw-away auto-ids. I'm not sure if anyone has come up with a satisfactory way of doing that, but I will have a think about it. Incidentally, How I handle timing is I have a global timer [s-metro] that keeps going up and up, and I use [mod 4] to (for example) have a loop of 4 ticks or [mod 32] for 32 ticks. Sometimes I get crazy and add together two [mod]s to get some weird sounding rhythms. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sssad slowness
Enrique Erne wrote: i hacked together a ad (slim super simple state saving system) uhm what was the a and the d in the abbreviation for? Hmmm. Hacked... Atte would you mind and test my version? please test for functionality and loading time. i might have overseen something. Wow. Loads in no time (1 sec), and works perfectly. I had problems with somethings not being restored, but I was relying on $0 as unique identifier in those areas, so maybe that's what bid me. Shouldn't you and sssad's author (Chris?) get together and merge these improvements into sssad? I mean, I have no idea how much tape and chewinggum you used in your code, but it sure works :-) -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
