Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
OTOH, if "preferences" are left around from 0.53 to 0.54 that could potentially cause trouble if something that was appropriate for 0.53 somehow crashes 0.54 "Wrong" preferences should never crash Pd in the first place... It would be really great if Oliver would somehow manage to recreate the settings that led to the crash. Christof On 22.06.2023 21:17, Miller Puckette wrote: On 6/22/23 11:50, Lucas Cordiviola wrote: On 22/06/2023 15:41, oliver wrote: It seems to not overwrite the old installation completely, or so it seems to me. I think you runned the *new* installer whithout a prior uninstall (and you overwrited files). The new installer will (in the future) warn you and ask you to uninstall first. but this warning is not happening if you have Pd < 0.54 installed. I got a different ride... installing 0.54 on top of 0.53 the installer did give me the option to erase the old one. I tried it both with and without the "uninstall" option and had no trouble either way. Since the new one will overwrite any files it needs, it shouldn't be strictly necessary to uninstall 0.53 files that got renamed or removed in 0.54 - they should just hang around but not do anything. OTOH, if "preferences" are left around from 0.53 to 0.54 that could potentially cause trouble if something that was appropriate for 0.53 somehow crashes 0.54, which is what I think Oliver saw. If that's true, the only way to recreate Oliver's crash would be to re-establish the preferences he had in 0.53 and then install 0.54 on top of it without "uninstalling". Or perhaps something totally different from that was going wrong...? cheers Miller ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
On 6/22/23 11:50, Lucas Cordiviola wrote: On 22/06/2023 15:41, oliver wrote: It seems to not overwrite the old installation completely, or so it seems to me. I think you runned the *new* installer whithout a prior uninstall (and you overwrited files). The new installer will (in the future) warn you and ask you to uninstall first. but this warning is not happening if you have Pd < 0.54 installed. I got a different ride... installing 0.54 on top of 0.53 the installer did give me the option to erase the old one. I tried it both with and without the "uninstall" option and had no trouble either way. Since the new one will overwrite any files it needs, it shouldn't be strictly necessary to uninstall 0.53 files that got renamed or removed in 0.54 - they should just hang around but not do anything. OTOH, if "preferences" are left around from 0.53 to 0.54 that could potentially cause trouble if something that was appropriate for 0.53 somehow crashes 0.54, which is what I think Oliver saw. If that's true, the only way to recreate Oliver's crash would be to re-establish the preferences he had in 0.53 and then install 0.54 on top of it without "uninstalling". Or perhaps something totally different from that was going wrong...? cheers Miller ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
On 22/06/2023 15:41, oliver wrote: It seems to not overwrite the old installation completely, or so it seems to me. I think you runned the *new* installer whithout a prior uninstall (and you overwrited files). The new installer will (in the future) warn you and ask you to uninstall first. but this warning is not happening if you have Pd < 0.54 installed. -- Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas. ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Miller Puckette wrote: Are you using the "installer"? I've been trying it and can't get it to go wrong yet. Yes, i did use the official installer. It seems to not overwrite the old installation completely, or so it seems to me. (thanks for keeping the "portable" zipped version btw, saved my life on the road a couple of times ;-)) best oliver ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Are you using the "installer"? I've been trying it and can't get it to
go wrong yet.
thanks
Miller
On 6/22/23 10:57, Kylee Kennedy wrote:
Hi Oliver,
Good tip on uninstalling 0.53 and then install 0.54. I'm on WIN 10 and
noticed my audio interface selections were missing Rearoute channels
from Reaper when I installed 0.54 over the old pd app.
I reinstalled Reaper and they popped up. So far all my patches are
working fine but I think it might be good to uninstall them and do
a fresh install to be safe.
Thanks all for the work on getting this new release out, I'm looking
forward to playing with the new multi-channel routing.
Take Care,
Kylee Kennedy
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 6:42 AM oliver wrote:
just some more minor reports:
WIN 7 /64bit
i downloaded and installed PD 0.54.0-test1 and installed it over
PD 0.53
which didn't go down well at all.
The new audio engine (portaudio) would crash PD when selecetd and the
preferences interface was a hybrid of the old and new one ...
Only after a complete wiping of the old PD (and PD user settings)
a new
install would work as expected. Also no more crashes on portaudio.
Another strange thing:
When entering startup flags in the preferences window
("font-weight" and
"font-size" in my case): they can be set but the line is empty
after a
close and restart of PD.
The values are set correctly on startup though !
Best
Oliver
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Hi Oliver,
Good tip on uninstalling 0.53 and then install 0.54. I'm on WIN 10 and
noticed my audio interface selections were missing Rearoute channels from
Reaper when I installed 0.54 over the old pd app.
I reinstalled Reaper and they popped up. So far all my patches are working
fine but I think it might be good to uninstall them and do a fresh install
to be safe.
Thanks all for the work on getting this new release out, I'm looking
forward to playing with the new multi-channel routing.
Take Care,
Kylee Kennedy
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 6:42 AM oliver wrote:
> just some more minor reports:
>
> WIN 7 /64bit
>
> i downloaded and installed PD 0.54.0-test1 and installed it over PD 0.53
> which didn't go down well at all.
>
> The new audio engine (portaudio) would crash PD when selecetd and the
> preferences interface was a hybrid of the old and new one ...
>
> Only after a complete wiping of the old PD (and PD user settings) a new
> install would work as expected. Also no more crashes on portaudio.
>
> Another strange thing:
>
> When entering startup flags in the preferences window ("font-weight" and
> "font-size" in my case): they can be set but the line is empty after a
> close and restart of PD.
>
> The values are set correctly on startup though !
>
> Best
>
> Oliver
>
>
> Christof Ressi wrote:
> >> anyhow, this is not something i think worth spending my time on.
> > Agreed :)
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Am 22. Juni 2023 15:31:44 MESZ schrieb oliver :
>
>Another strange thing:
>
>When entering startup flags in the preferences window ("font-weight" and
>"font-size" in my case): they can be set but the line is empty after a close
>and restart of PD.
>
>The values are set correctly on startup though !
Could you please open an bugreport in the issue tracker?
https://bugs.puredata.info
Thx
mfg.sfg.jfd
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
just some more minor reports:
WIN 7 /64bit
i downloaded and installed PD 0.54.0-test1 and installed it over PD 0.53
which didn't go down well at all.
The new audio engine (portaudio) would crash PD when selecetd and the
preferences interface was a hybrid of the old and new one ...
Only after a complete wiping of the old PD (and PD user settings) a new
install would work as expected. Also no more crashes on portaudio.
Another strange thing:
When entering startup flags in the preferences window ("font-weight" and
"font-size" in my case): they can be set but the line is empty after a
close and restart of PD.
The values are set correctly on startup though !
Best
Oliver
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On 6/21/23 21:25, Christof Ressi wrote: Also, I just wiped my Pd preferences on macOS and started the new app. The preferences are indeed tabbed by default, ah thanks for confirming. good to know it works. but strangely "Tabbed preferences" is not ticked (unlike on Windows). the value is "unset/undefined/none" (as the user has not stated a preference yet). here on linux (and obviously on macOS as well), the unset value looks the same as "false", and on Windows it appears to look like "true". see also the "misc prefs" tab, where the radiobutton clearly displays the unset-ness. anyhow, this is not something i think worth spending my time on. mgfyd IOhannes OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
To make things more fun, the TclTk included in the mac/stuff/ (which is the version that most people will get when building the app themselves) is one that crashed for me. Side note: we should really update the prototypes for macOS and Windows at one point. msw/pdprototype.tgz still contains Tcl/Tk 8.5... Christof On 21.06.2023 18:57, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Am 21. Juni 2023 12:42:25 MESZ schrieb Dan Wilcox : I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. My code explicitly checks for TclTk<<8.6.12 (and >= 8.6), so I think I tested and it crashed with 8.6.11. To make things more fun, the TclTk included in the mac/stuff/ (which is the version that most people will get when building the app themselves) is one that crashed for me. Luckily, the version that is used for the app distributed by miller (and built on the iem premises), is a newer one, that is known to work. So most "users" should get a version that is good. The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. And please do not forget that we are still trying to support macOS versions (and possibly OSX versions) that are rather old and cannot use a newer TclTk. Or there is some signing/notarization issue (eg Apple refusing to notarize binaries that also contain 32bit intel code). The point is: it is not obviously simple to "just switch to the latest and greatest" if we want to keep our obsolescence doctrine. mfg.sfg.jfd IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Also, I just wiped my Pd preferences on macOS and started the new app. The preferences are indeed tabbed by default, but strangely "Tabbed preferences" is not ticked (unlike on Windows). Except for that little quirk everything seems to work as intended. Sorry again for the confusion! Christof On 21.06.2023 21:14, Christof Ressi wrote: maybe it's after all some weird configuration on your side? A... yes. I just started with -noprefs and now Pd opens with tabbed preferences enabled by default. Sorry for the noise! Anyway, nice work! :) On 21.06.2023 21:08, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 6/21/23 20:18, Christof Ressi wrote: Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a viable solution. This pretty much exactly describes what is happening in the current master branch. I'm slightly baffled that the default is to*not* use tabs, because iirc it should use them. But then, the choice whether you get tabs or not can be overridden via GUI preferences, so maybe I just forgot to reset then at some point... Note that Windows and Linux currently also use non-tabbed preferences by default. From your mail I gather that this is just an oversight? it is definitely not intended behaviour. however, i just tested current 'master' (on Debian/Sid with Tcl/Tk-8.6.13): after wiping my GUI preferences, and starting Pd, I definitely get tabbed behaviour. maybe it's after all some weird configuration on your side? or do others experience this as well? gmdasr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
maybe it's after all some weird configuration on your side? A... yes. I just started with -noprefs and now Pd opens with tabbed preferences enabled by default. Sorry for the noise! Anyway, nice work! :) On 21.06.2023 21:08, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 6/21/23 20:18, Christof Ressi wrote: Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a viable solution. This pretty much exactly describes what is happening in the current master branch. I'm slightly baffled that the default is to*not* use tabs, because iirc it should use them. But then, the choice whether you get tabs or not can be overridden via GUI preferences, so maybe I just forgot to reset then at some point... Note that Windows and Linux currently also use non-tabbed preferences by default. From your mail I gather that this is just an oversight? it is definitely not intended behaviour. however, i just tested current 'master' (on Debian/Sid with Tcl/Tk-8.6.13): after wiping my GUI preferences, and starting Pd, I definitely get tabbed behaviour. maybe it's after all some weird configuration on your side? or do others experience this as well? gmdasr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On 6/21/23 20:18, Christof Ressi wrote: Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a viable solution. This pretty much exactly describes what is happening in the current master branch. I'm slightly baffled that the default is to*not* use tabs, because iirc it should use them. But then, the choice whether you get tabs or not can be overridden via GUI preferences, so maybe I just forgot to reset then at some point... Note that Windows and Linux currently also use non-tabbed preferences by default. From your mail I gather that this is just an oversight? it is definitely not intended behaviour. however, i just tested current 'master' (on Debian/Sid with Tcl/Tk-8.6.13): after wiping my GUI preferences, and starting Pd, I definitely get tabbed behaviour. maybe it's after all some weird configuration on your side? or do others experience this as well? gmdasr IOhannes OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a viable solution. This pretty much exactly describes what is happening in the current master branch. I'm slightly baffled that the default is to*not* use tabs, because iirc it should use them. But then, the choice whether you get tabs or not can be overridden via GUI preferences, so maybe I just forgot to reset then at some point... Note that Windows and Linux currently also use non-tabbed preferences by default. From your mail I gather that this is just an oversight? Christof ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Am 21. Juni 2023 12:42:25 MESZ schrieb Dan Wilcox : >I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may >possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. My code explicitly checks for TclTk<<8.6.12 (and >= 8.6), so I think I tested and it crashed with 8.6.11. To make things more fun, the TclTk included in the mac/stuff/ (which is the version that most people will get when building the app themselves) is one that crashed for me. Luckily, the version that is used for the app distributed by miller (and built on the iem premises), is a newer one, that is known to work. So most "users" should get a version that is good. > >The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the >buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. And please do not forget that we are still trying to support macOS versions (and possibly OSX versions) that are rather old and cannot use a newer TclTk. Or there is some signing/notarization issue (eg Apple refusing to notarize binaries that also contain 32bit intel code). The point is: it is not obviously simple to "just switch to the latest and greatest" if we want to keep our obsolescence doctrine. mfg.sfg.jfd IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Here's something else that came up... what to do in binops with multichannels of different sizes? https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/2009 Em qua., 21 de jun. de 2023 às 13:42, IOhannes m zmölnig escreveu: > Am 21. Juni 2023 13:42:48 MESZ schrieb Christof Ressi < > i...@christofressi.com>: > >Thanks for clarifying! > > > >Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could > be a viable solution. > > This pretty much exactly describes what is happening in the current master > branch. > > > I'm slightly baffled that the default is to*not* use tabs, because iirc it > should use them. > But then, the choice whether you get tabs or not can be overridden via GUI > preferences, so maybe I just forgot to reset then at some point... > > > mfg.sfg.jfd > IOhannes > > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Am 21. Juni 2023 13:42:48 MESZ schrieb Christof Ressi : >Thanks for clarifying! > >Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a >viable solution. This pretty much exactly describes what is happening in the current master branch. I'm slightly baffled that the default is to*not* use tabs, because iirc it should use them. But then, the choice whether you get tabs or not can be overridden via GUI preferences, so maybe I just forgot to reset then at some point... mfg.sfg.jfd IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Yup, and we already have such checks for the ttk stuff at the top of pd-gui.tcl. If tabs aren’t supported, then dialogs and their related menu items should be added, otherwise the single menu item for the preferences. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com > On Jun 21, 2023, at 1:43 PM, Christof Ressi wrote: > > Thanks for clarifying! > > Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be > a viable solution. > >> On 21.06.2023 13:39, Dan Wilcox wrote: >> It nominally uses the Tk frameworks in the .app bundle *but* someone could >> always build using a different Tk which could lead to issues. Also, people >> trying to run Pd on the command line from the build folder without making an >> app bundle end up using the system Tk. This works ok for testing basic >> things but is bad news for normal usage. >> >> enohp ym morf tnes >> --- >> Dan Wilcox >> danomatika.com >> robotcowboy.com >> >> On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Christof Ressi wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for chiming in! >>> Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. >>> That's what I figured. >>> especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. >>> Wouldn't the Pd app prefer the bundled Tk version? (I don't know these >>> things work on macOS.) >>> >>> Christof >>> On 21.06.2023 12:42, Dan Wilcox wrote: I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com >> On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: > I agree. Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform > fails. The original suggestion for making the option to still host > dialogs in windows was mine, I believe, large for this reason, ie. > building for OS X 10.6 and Tk 8.4 which doesn’t have the tabs widget. > > enohp ym morf tnes > --- > Dan Wilcox > danomatika.com > robotcowboy.com > > >> On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Christof Ressi >> wrote: >> >> >>> basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when >>> using tabs. >> Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me... >> >> Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the >> "official" macOS app bundle? >> >> Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known >> to work? >> >> I think the tabbed preferences are just so nice and it would be shame to >> hide them from the user by default... >> >> (At the very least, we should use tabbed preference by default on >> Windows and Linux :-) >> >> Christof >> >>> On 21.06.2023 00:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: > First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) > > I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! > Thanks IOhannes! > > Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This > feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed > preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). >>> basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when >>> using tabs. >>> so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is >>> still somewhat useable) >>> >>> >>> >>> gmds >>> IOhannes >>> >>> ___ >>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Thanks for clarifying! Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a viable solution. On 21.06.2023 13:39, Dan Wilcox wrote: It nominally uses the Tk frameworks in the .app bundle *but* someone could always build using a different Tk which could lead to issues. Also, people trying to run Pd on the command line from the build folder without making an app bundle end up using the system Tk. This works ok for testing basic things but is bad news for normal usage. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Christof Ressi wrote: Thanks for chiming in! Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. That's what I figured. especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. Wouldn't the Pd app prefer the bundled Tk version? (I don't know these things work on macOS.) Christof On 21.06.2023 12:42, Dan Wilcox wrote: I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: I agree. Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. The original suggestion for making the option to still host dialogs in windows was mine, I believe, large for this reason, ie. building for OS X 10.6 and Tk 8.4 which doesn’t have the tabs widget. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Christof Ressi wrote: basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using tabs. Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me... Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the "official" macOS app bundle? Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known to work? I think the tabbed preferences are just so nice and it would be shame to hide them from the user by default... (At the very least, we should use tabbed preference by default on Windows and Linux :-) Christof On 21.06.2023 00:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks IOhannes! Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using tabs. so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is still somewhat useable) gmds IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
It nominally uses the Tk frameworks in the .app bundle *but* someone could always build using a different Tk which could lead to issues. Also, people trying to run Pd on the command line from the build folder without making an app bundle end up using the system Tk. This works ok for testing basic things but is bad news for normal usage. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com > On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Christof Ressi wrote: > > Thanks for chiming in! > >> Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. > That's what I figured. > >> especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. > Wouldn't the Pd app prefer the bundled Tk version? (I don't know these things > work on macOS.) > > Christof > >> On 21.06.2023 12:42, Dan Wilcox wrote: >> I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may >> possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. >> >> The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the >> buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. >> >> enohp ym morf tnes >> --- >> Dan Wilcox >> danomatika.com >> robotcowboy.com >> >> On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: >>> >>> I agree. Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform >>> fails. The original suggestion for making the option to still host dialogs >>> in windows was mine, I believe, large for this reason, ie. building for OS >>> X 10.6 and Tk 8.4 which doesn’t have the tabs widget. >>> >>> enohp ym morf tnes >>> --- >>> Dan Wilcox >>> danomatika.com >>> robotcowboy.com >>> >>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Christof Ressi wrote: > basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when > using tabs. Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me... Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the "official" macOS app bundle? Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known to work? I think the tabbed preferences are just so nice and it would be shame to hide them from the user by default... (At the very least, we should use tabbed preference by default on Windows and Linux :-) Christof > On 21.06.2023 00:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: >>> On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: >>> First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) >>> >>> I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! >>> Thanks IOhannes! >>> >>> Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This >>> feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed >>> preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). > basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when > using tabs. > so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is > still somewhat useable) > > > > gmds > IOhannes > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released : [plot] visibility
Thanks for the report! I can also confirm this for other drawing instructions. I have opened a ticket on GitHub: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/2007 On 21.06.2023 13:01, ro...@dds.nl wrote: Windows 11 create [plot], open plot-help, open plot-template. the visibility examples only have visible effect when changing the size of the plot-data window! (in my own, more complicated, use of graphs i have to move the cursor in and out of the graph-'window'). rolf ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released : [plot] visibility
Windows 11 create [plot], open plot-help, open plot-template. the visibility examples only have visible effect when changing the size of the plot-data window! (in my own, more complicated, use of graphs i have to move the cursor in and out of the graph-'window'). rolf___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
The "Save All Settings" buttons are redundant in the tabbed preferences because hitting "Apply" or "Ok" already does that. On 20.06.2023 22:50, Lucas Cordiviola wrote: We are missing a "Save All Settings" button on the tabbed prefs for "Audio" and "MIDI" tabs. -- Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas. On 20/06/2023 15:53, Christof Ressi wrote: Side note: on macOS, "Pd->Settings..." shows tabbed preferences by default, but "Pd->Preferences->Edit Preferences..." is non-tabbed by default... On 20.06.2023 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks IOhannes! Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). Also, the audio settings in the preference tab now has a dropdown list where you can select the audio API: (I think I have proposed this back then.) Can we please also use this for the "Media->Audio Settings" dialog, so we can get rid of the redundant (and confusing) audio API entries in the "Media" menu (see below)? Cheers, Christof On 20.06.2023 05:49, Miller Puckette wrote: To Pd-announce: Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated windows audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that became available in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but should be fine for windows 7 or newer). There are many other improvements and updates. cheers Miller ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Thanks for chiming in! Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. That's what I figured. especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. Wouldn't the Pd app prefer the bundled Tk version? (I don't know these things work on macOS.) Christof On 21.06.2023 12:42, Dan Wilcox wrote: I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: I agree. Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. The original suggestion for making the option to still host dialogs in windows was mine, I believe, large for this reason, ie. building for OS X 10.6 and Tk 8.4 which doesn’t have the tabs widget. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Christof Ressi wrote: basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using tabs. Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me... Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the "official" macOS app bundle? Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known to work? I think the tabbed preferences are just so nice and it would be shame to hide them from the user by default... (At the very least, we should use tabbed preference by default on Windows and Linux :-) Christof On 21.06.2023 00:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks IOhannes! Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using tabs. so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is still somewhat useable) gmds IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com > On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: > > I agree. Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform > fails. The original suggestion for making the option to still host dialogs in > windows was mine, I believe, large for this reason, ie. building for OS X > 10.6 and Tk 8.4 which doesn’t have the tabs widget. > > enohp ym morf tnes > --- > Dan Wilcox > danomatika.com > robotcowboy.com > > >> On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Christof Ressi wrote: >> >> >>> >>> basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using >>> tabs. >> Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me... >> >> Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the >> "official" macOS app bundle? >> >> Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known to >> work? >> >> I think the tabbed preferences are just so nice and it would be shame to >> hide them from the user by default... >> >> (At the very least, we should use tabbed preference by default on Windows >> and Linux :-) >> >> Christof >> >>> On 21.06.2023 00:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: > First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) > > I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! > Thanks IOhannes! > > Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This > feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed > preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). >>> >>> basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using >>> tabs. >>> so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is >>> still somewhat useable) >>> >>> >>> >>> gmds >>> IOhannes >>> >>> ___ >>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
I agree. Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. The original suggestion for making the option to still host dialogs in windows was mine, I believe, large for this reason, ie. building for OS X 10.6 and Tk 8.4 which doesn’t have the tabs widget. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com > On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Christof Ressi wrote: > > >> >> basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using >> tabs. > Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me... > > Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the > "official" macOS app bundle? > > Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known to > work? > > I think the tabbed preferences are just so nice and it would be shame to hide > them from the user by default... > > (At the very least, we should use tabbed preference by default on Windows and > Linux :-) > > Christof > >> On 21.06.2023 00:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: >>> On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: >>> First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) >>> >>> I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks >>> IOhannes! >>> >>> Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels >>> very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed >>> preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). >> >> basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using >> tabs. >> so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is >> still somewhat useable) >> >> >> >> gmds >> IOhannes >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using tabs. Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me... Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the "official" macOS app bundle? Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known to work? I think the tabbed preferences are just so nice and it would be shame to hide them from the user by default... (At the very least, we should use tabbed preference by default on Windows and Linux :-) Christof On 21.06.2023 00:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks IOhannes! Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using tabs. so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is still somewhat useable) gmds IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
On 6/20/23 19:12, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: So great, can't remember being this excited about a release, thanks! A few things. Looks like we have the double precision app. At least deken i expected something like this (as a side-effect of recent side-by-side single/double installation efforts). i will try to undo that. alternatively we could hope to get https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/1995 into Pd-0.54 which would then allow to have both. vxym IOhannes OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks IOhannes! Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using tabs. so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is still somewhat useable) gmds IOhannes OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
We are missing a "Save All Settings" button on the tabbed prefs for "Audio" and "MIDI" tabs. -- Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas. On 20/06/2023 15:53, Christof Ressi wrote: Side note: on macOS, "Pd->Settings..." shows tabbed preferences by default, but "Pd->Preferences->Edit Preferences..." is non-tabbed by default... On 20.06.2023 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks IOhannes! Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). Also, the audio settings in the preference tab now has a dropdown list where you can select the audio API: (I think I have proposed this back then.) Can we please also use this for the "Media->Audio Settings" dialog, so we can get rid of the redundant (and confusing) audio API entries in the "Media" menu (see below)? Cheers, Christof On 20.06.2023 05:49, Miller Puckette wrote: To Pd-announce: Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated windows audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that became available in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but should be fine for windows 7 or newer). There are many other improvements and updates. cheers Miller ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Thanks Miller, multi-sig lines are something I've dreamed of. very best, a. On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 08:49:15PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > To Pd-announce: > > Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated windows > audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that became available > in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but should be fine for > windows 7 or newer). There are many other improvements and updates. > > cheers > > Miller > > > > > ___ > Pd-announce mailing list > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Em ter., 20 de jun. de 2023 às 16:28, Christof Ressi escreveu: > [fft~] and [ifft~] still single-channel, but personally I don't care > because I have never used them :-) > I wouldn't care either for the same reason but I do have for consistency reasons and also that it'd be much easier to document > Christof > On 20.06.2023 20:29, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > oh, I also see rfft~ takes multichannel signals, but this is not yet > documented and that the other fft objects can't handle it yet, I created > this ticket for it in pddp https://github.com/pure-data/pddp/issues/153 > > Em ter., 20 de jun. de 2023 às 14:12, Alexandre Torres Porres < > por...@gmail.com> escreveu: > >> So great, can't remember being this excited about a release, thanks! >> >> A few things. Looks like we have the double precision app. At least deken >> detects *Darwin-amd64-float64* and Pd refuses to load my externals. >> >> By the way, I hope there is time to merge the branch where both >> float32/64 live together! >> >> Sigmund~ is still at version 0.7 in the code, but this is a newer >> version. And I don't get the version printed anymore when loading the >> object as it used to do. Somehow the post doesn't happen. >> >> In the new tabbed preferences we have 'path preferences' / 'startup >> preferences' / 'audio preferences' / 'midi preferences' / 'misc >> preferences' and I think it is redundanct to have 'preferences' al lthe >> time, wince we are already under the "preferences" window. We could just >> have 'path' / 'startup' / 'audio' / 'midi' / 'misc' instead. >> >> I also hope there is time to include at least the 'font weight' settings >> in 'misc' as I proposed. >> >> I hope and wish we can also add message methods to change the >> multichannel settings of [clone], see >> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2004 >> >> cheers >> >> Em ter., 20 de jun. de 2023 às 01:47, Miller Puckette < >> mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu> escreveu: >> >>> To Pd-announce: >>> >>> Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from >>> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm >>> or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data >>> >>> New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated >>> windows audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that >>> became available in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but >>> should be fine for windows 7 or newer). There are many other >>> improvements and updates. >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> Miller >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Pd-announce mailing list >>> pd-annou...@lists.iem.at >>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >>> ___ >>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> > ___pd-l...@lists.iem.at mailing > list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
and that the other fft objects can't handle it yet actually, [rifft~] *can* handle multi-channel signals, it just missed the CLASS_MULTICHANNEL flag. I just pushed a fix to develop. [fft~] and [ifft~] still single-channel, but personally I don't care because I have never used them :-) Christof On 20.06.2023 20:29, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: oh, I also see rfft~ takes multichannel signals, but this is not yet documented and that the other fft objects can't handle it yet, I created this ticket for it in pddp https://github.com/pure-data/pddp/issues/153 Em ter., 20 de jun. de 2023 às 14:12, Alexandre Torres Porres escreveu: So great, can't remember being this excited about a release, thanks! A few things. Looks like we have the double precision app. At least deken detects /Darwin-amd64-float64/ and Pd refuses to load my externals. By the way, I hope there is time to merge the branch where both float32/64 live together! Sigmund~ is still at version 0.7 in the code, but this is a newer version. And I don't get the version printed anymore when loading the object as it used to do. Somehow the post doesn't happen. In the new tabbed preferences we have 'path preferences' / 'startup preferences' / 'audio preferences' / 'midi preferences' / 'misc preferences' and I think it is redundanct to have 'preferences' al lthe time, wince we are already under the "preferences" window. We could just have 'path' / 'startup' / 'audio' / 'midi' / 'misc' instead. I also hope there is time to include at least the 'font weight' settings in 'misc' as I proposed. I hope and wish we can also add message methods to change the multichannel settings of [clone], see https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2004 cheers Em ter., 20 de jun. de 2023 às 01:47, Miller Puckette escreveu: To Pd-announce: Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated windows audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that became available in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but should be fine for windows 7 or newer). There are many other improvements and updates. cheers Miller ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
Side note: on macOS, "Pd->Settings..." shows tabbed preferences by default, but "Pd->Preferences->Edit Preferences..." is non-tabbed by default... On 20.06.2023 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks IOhannes! Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). Also, the audio settings in the preference tab now has a dropdown list where you can select the audio API: (I think I have proposed this back then.) Can we please also use this for the "Media->Audio Settings" dialog, so we can get rid of the redundant (and confusing) audio API entries in the "Media" menu (see below)? Cheers, Christof On 20.06.2023 05:49, Miller Puckette wrote: To Pd-announce: Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated windows audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that became available in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but should be fine for windows 7 or newer). There are many other improvements and updates. cheers Miller ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
oh, I also see rfft~ takes multichannel signals, but this is not yet documented and that the other fft objects can't handle it yet, I created this ticket for it in pddp https://github.com/pure-data/pddp/issues/153 Em ter., 20 de jun. de 2023 às 14:12, Alexandre Torres Porres < por...@gmail.com> escreveu: > So great, can't remember being this excited about a release, thanks! > > A few things. Looks like we have the double precision app. At least deken > detects *Darwin-amd64-float64* and Pd refuses to load my externals. > > By the way, I hope there is time to merge the branch where both float32/64 > live together! > > Sigmund~ is still at version 0.7 in the code, but this is a newer version. > And I don't get the version printed anymore when loading the object as it > used to do. Somehow the post doesn't happen. > > In the new tabbed preferences we have 'path preferences' / 'startup > preferences' / 'audio preferences' / 'midi preferences' / 'misc > preferences' and I think it is redundanct to have 'preferences' al lthe > time, wince we are already under the "preferences" window. We could just > have 'path' / 'startup' / 'audio' / 'midi' / 'misc' instead. > > I also hope there is time to include at least the 'font weight' settings > in 'misc' as I proposed. > > I hope and wish we can also add message methods to change the multichannel > settings of [clone], see https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2004 > > cheers > > Em ter., 20 de jun. de 2023 às 01:47, Miller Puckette < > mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu> escreveu: > >> To Pd-announce: >> >> Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm >> or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data >> >> New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated >> windows audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that >> became available in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but >> should be fine for windows 7 or newer). There are many other >> improvements and updates. >> >> cheers >> >> Miller >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Pd-announce mailing list >> pd-annou...@lists.iem.at >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >> ___ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks IOhannes! Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). Also, the audio settings in the preference tab now has a dropdown list where you can select the audio API: (I think I have proposed this back then.) Can we please also use this for the "Media->Audio Settings" dialog, so we can get rid of the redundant (and confusing) audio API entries in the "Media" menu (see below)? Cheers, Christof On 20.06.2023 05:49, Miller Puckette wrote: To Pd-announce: Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated windows audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that became available in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but should be fine for windows 7 or newer). There are many other improvements and updates. cheers Miller ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
So great, can't remember being this excited about a release, thanks! A few things. Looks like we have the double precision app. At least deken detects *Darwin-amd64-float64* and Pd refuses to load my externals. By the way, I hope there is time to merge the branch where both float32/64 live together! Sigmund~ is still at version 0.7 in the code, but this is a newer version. And I don't get the version printed anymore when loading the object as it used to do. Somehow the post doesn't happen. In the new tabbed preferences we have 'path preferences' / 'startup preferences' / 'audio preferences' / 'midi preferences' / 'misc preferences' and I think it is redundanct to have 'preferences' al lthe time, wince we are already under the "preferences" window. We could just have 'path' / 'startup' / 'audio' / 'midi' / 'misc' instead. I also hope there is time to include at least the 'font weight' settings in 'misc' as I proposed. I hope and wish we can also add message methods to change the multichannel settings of [clone], see https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2004 cheers Em ter., 20 de jun. de 2023 às 01:47, Miller Puckette < mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu> escreveu: > To Pd-announce: > > Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated > windows audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that > became available in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but > should be fine for windows 7 or newer). There are many other > improvements and updates. > > cheers > > Miller > > > > > ___ > Pd-announce mailing list > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released
To Pd-announce: Pd version 0.54-0test1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data New features include multi-channel signal connections and updated windows audio. The new window version uses an audio subsystem that became available in windows 7 (so won't work on Windows XP any more but should be fine for windows 7 or newer). There are many other improvements and updates. cheers Miller ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
