Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)

2002-07-22 Thread Cotty

Bruce wrote to ROB:

 I wonder how many of us, when actually faced with the
buying proposition, wouldn't have a similar problem.  It makes you
wonder how deep into a system you really are when all the focal
lengths shift like that.  He could almost consider any brand now.  Oh
yeah, his SB28 flash won't work in TTL mode with the new body either.
That means he has to get a new flash also.

Those of you who are waiting for the Pentax digital because of
existing lenses may want to examine if you really would want to use
them or would seek a different set of focal lengths like my friend.
You may end up buying a new system whether it is Pentax or another
anyway.

This is exactly what I have thought about, and am now putting into 
operation my Master Plan.

I'm keeping some Pentax gear, namely MXs and a couple of lenses (Tokina 
28-70 and some old primes inc 35mm). I've already bought an EOS fit 
Tokina 28-70 in anticipation if a D60.

At the moment (on film) my requirements are:
a nice wide - I've got a 17mm Tok, would love a 15mm SMC
a good portrait lens - I've got the A*85mm 1.4
Tok 28-70 2.8
Sigma 70-200 2.8
Tok 300 2.8
and a few others I don't use much, a Tok macro, a couple of SMC primes 
(50,28)

With a 2/3 chip DSLR, using a 1.6 times magnification factor, this would 
be the setup:

a reasonable wide (a Tok 17mm would be fine - giving effective 28mm or 
so) , but I'm not a wide shooter, so could wait until last to acquire...
a good portrait lens - a 50mm 1.4 would be ideal (effectively 80mm)
Tok 28-70 (49-112) 2.8
Tok or Sig 70-200 (112-320) 2.8

and that's it.

So, in my case, an assuming Pentax *do* cough up the digicam, All I would 
do is sell the 85mm and the 300mm and keep the others. Except that for 
various reasons I am putting the Master Plan into action which is to sell 
everything except the 28-70 and one or two others, and buy a 50mm, 28-70, 
70-200 and a D60.

In stages, of course. Why? That's another thread ;-)

Cotty

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Re[2]: What good is . . .

2002-07-22 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

Monday, July 22, 2002, 1:44:17 AM, you wrote:

 I think it's a great idea to take the glass out of a lens. You don't want to
 start wearing it out by mounting it on a camera now do you?
 It reminds me of the Yes Minister episode where they had the most
 efficient hospital in England because it didn't have any patients

There's a story about a button factory in the USSR during the Stalin
period. Their 5-year plan target once was to make 50 tons of buttons.
They made one button, weighing 50 tons g.

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Vs: O.T. Texas Leica

2002-07-22 Thread Raimo Korhonen

The original Texas Leica is the famous KE-4(1) Combat Camera made by Graflex for the 
U.S. Signal Corps in 1953. It uses 70 mm film for 55 x 70 mm exposures. Also nicknamed 
Gulliver´s Contax because the designer was Hubert Nerwin who also designed Contax II 
for Zeiss Ikon.
All the best!
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Subject: Re: O.T. Texas Leica



 But Jeff, you can't call it a Texas Leica - I was the only one there
yesterday
 with a Leica (sorry, I just had to say that;  the CL is still a new toy)
vbg.


Sorry Frank,
I didn't want to steal the thunder. Yours is a real Leica, but the 690
series Fuji are known as the Texas Leica.
Hi Jim, I'm shopping for special suspenders to carry this sucker around.

Jeff.
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Re[6]: AP UK on why digital is no good.

2002-07-22 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,


Sunday, July 21, 2002, 10:17:21 PM, you wrote:

 I won't pursue my line of argument much further except to say my analogy of 
 film/TV was simply to show how different a function two seemingly similar 
 form of communication can be. And, while TV has become a metaphor for 
 triviality (I attempted to point this out by mentioning that TV's primary 
 function is SALES), film has not. Therefore, the epistemological function of 
 the two is vastly different. Truth is possible through film but not TV.

I must say, I disagree quite strongly with this, but we'll never settle the
matter, certainly not here.

 With respect to the digital photography question, I'm convinced that it is a 
 different form of communication than traditional photography. As I say, 
 perhaps we don't know exactly how yet, but I think some of the implications I 
 mentioned are enough to make one think about it (the Lewinsky photo example). 

I'll be very surprised if the move from film to digital has as
dramatic an effect as you seem to think. I see it as following,
at least for the mass market, the existing trajectory of
photography which is towards end user simplicity and cheapness.
However, digital photography is also part of a much more important and
dramatic change which is fuelled by the internet and the likely rise
of so-called information appliances which we're now starting to see
appear. So we're seeing the convergence of phones, diaries, cameras
etc. into small cheap devices, and with wireless network connections
everywhere we will see some important changes. But for the great
majority of people I don't think the actual uses of photography will
change much, although the photos will be distributed in a different
way and mass-market cameras as we know them will probably disappear.

We have, however, been arguing at cross-purposes since my original
claim is about visual language, rather than end use. I really don't
see that digital photography will change the visual language of
photography at all.

It's a big subject, but not one that can be dealt with properly with
casual emails, unfortunately.

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Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

the other day I posted a link about the photojournalist David Turnley,
who uses a Sony DV camera to make documentary films, and has posted
some frames from them as stills in their own right. Here is the link
again: http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0203/dt01.htm.

I dug around a bit and found out that he used Sony DSR PD100A and DSR
PD150 cameras, which appear to be top-of-the-range professional DV
cameras. They seemed quite expensive to me until I considered that
they're cheaper than say a Nikon D1X or the other high-end digital
stills cameras. I can see a lot of advantages to shooting a burst of
video rather than a few frames of stills, and if it's easy to get a
high quality still out of the video burst, I wonder why anybody would
use a stills camera if they have a DV camera like this? It seems to me
that this turns on the issue of the quality of the output. Does
anybody know how the quality of these things compares with high-end
digital stills cameras? Any other issues to consider?

Cheers,

Bob
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Re: Street Photography (was: Re: AP UK on why digital is no good.)

2002-07-22 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Cotty wrote:

  5. Claim to be a photographic student. (this last one works for me - and 
  not a lie - i'm learning all the time!)
  
  ...all ways of guaranteeing people will ignore you.
 
 Hey Cotty!
 
 I liked your last advice. Let me try it out. :-)
 Ayash.
 
 Make sure you have rebuttals for questions like: 'Oh really, where?' and 
 'What's the name of the course?'. ('University of Greater Life', and 
 'Dilatation and Reportage')

Good point.
Yep, the answers are all ready. 

 Seriously though, I think that most incidents can be overcome completely 
 by attitude. I'm sure Shel Belinkof would be great at teaching us all 
 this one.

Hi Shel! Are you out there? Could you please teach us the basics of candid 
street photography? What were the problems that you faced when you first 
started candid street photography?
 
 For true reportage, the idea is to remain hidden - though not in the true 
 meaning of the word, not hiding around a corner. What I mean is 'hidden 
 from the mind'. Blend into the background if you can. There should be 
 nothing at all to raise your 'street profile' such that it becomes 
 noticeable. 

camoflage. I wished to become the liquid metal cyborg T-1000 in the movie,
Terminator II: The judgement day. :-)) Just joking.

 A small rangefinder is ideal, carried without a strap, in the 
 hand. The movement up to the eye with the camera must be instinctive, 
 faultless, and brief. As if you were scratching your nose: the arm goes 
 up, is there for two seconds, and goes back down. Or shoot from the hip, 
 or anywhere. 

That's quite fast but it is required to capture the desired moment.

 Pre-focussed, I have made many shots this way. Some work, 
 some don't. All are interesting for what they are.

Since, I possess a manual focus SLR, I use this technique quite often.

 Being well over six feet in height, I am instantly saddled with a great 
 weight for this kind of street photography in that I instantly draw 
 attention, even if slight. My 'cover' is blown even before I've begun! 
 This is why I opt for fully 'out' street. Hence I can use an SLR and a 
 relevant lens - approaching my subjects, or they approaching me, in full 
 knowledge that I am armed with a camera. A happy, smiley face doesn't go 
 amiss here.

I didn't expected this. You can not abandon the battlefield like this. 
:-)
 
 Confidence is the key. If you look like you know what you are doing, and 
 are chirpy and up-tempo about it, then this method seldom fails. If 
 someone does not want to be photographed, it will become evident very 
 quickly. But do they really want to be photographed, even though they say 
 'no'??
 
 By this, let me give you an example. When filming street interviews for 
 tv (called 'vox pops' - Latin: voice of the people) the reporter and I 
 have to identify ourselves.  The reporter will say something like: 'Hi, 
 we're from Central news, just asking people about the new shopping centre 
 plans - can I ask you?' In my experience there are several responses, but 
 the three main ones by far are:
 
 1. 'Oh well, yeah...uh huh (etc)'
 
 2. 'No thanks (possibly smiling or even giggling)'
 
 3. (no words just a hand up and turns quickly away from the camera). 
 Sometimes: 'I'm in  a hurry'.
 
 Now number 1 is obvious, and so is number 3. But number 2 said 'no' - did 
 they actually mean 'yes'? In fact, in the majority of instances, this is 
 actually the case. After the 'no thanks', a further 'oh go on' from the 
 reporter, possibly interspersed with a quick 'pretty please with sugar on 
 top and a cherry' from me (all the while filming) the majority stop and 
 chat merrily away.
 
 The point is, the said no, but meant yes. In fact in their own minds they 
 were saying: 'oh gosh, I really want to be interviewed, but I can't 
 possibly show such a conceited attitude as to actually say yes!!'

:-)), quite interesting. 
 
 These folk make up the majority of your average street population. I've 
 learned how to win them around, and it heavily involves drawing attention 
 to oneself. It took a few years before I could do it without thinking, 
 and to begin with I was appalled at the fact that I was actually being 
 the centre of attention, possibly to a whole street full of people. 

This happens with me also when I go out in the street, not because I am 
tall but because people see a long lens (F 100-300 f/4.5-5.6) hanging from 
my neck along with a big camera bag on my shoulders.

 However, it is perfectly do-able, and once the barrier is crossed, is a 
 whole lot of fun.

Yes, I understand that but I have not crossed the barrier yet but I have 
not quit the battlefield. Probably one day, I may come out successful. God 
knows.

 
 Didn't mean for this to be a mini-primer on my attitude to street, but 
 hey, it's Sunday morning, the Mrs has gone off to a boot sale (flea 
 market), the coffee and croissants have settled nicely, the shower 
 beckons, and the French Grand Prix 

Re: Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Bob Walkden wrote:

 I can see a lot of advantages to shooting a burst of
 video rather than a few frames of stills, and if it's easy to get a
 high quality still out of the video burst, I wonder why anybody would
 use a stills camera if they have a DV camera like this? It seems to me
 that this turns on the issue of the quality of the output. Does
 anybody know how the quality of these things compares with high-end
 digital stills cameras? Any other issues to consider?

Hallo Bob!

(pause) :-(

so,, I can assume that you are dumping the film SLRs going for 
digital. 

OK, please go ahead.
:-(

Wish you all the best.
Ayash.
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Re: Pushing C-41

2002-07-22 Thread Don Williams Finland

Okay. After reading all the comments about pushing C-41 I decided to take
a stab at it.

I exposed a roll of Solaris FG 400 yesterday in subdued sunlight using the
same
aperture (f 8) and exposures of 1/125, 1/250 and 1/500 of four different
scenes.
The correct (normal) exposure, according to the P30 would have been 1/125 at
f 8.
I was tempted to go one stop further, but thought I'd better not for the
trial run.

Then I processed the film with an increase of 20% over recommended time with
everything else controlled and normal. With few exceptions (very light
subject)
the frames are almost all usable. In the case of light subjects the optimal
frames
are those that rate the film at 1600 ASA. In some cases it's hard to choose
the
best negative.

Scanning was done with no compensation of any kind besides focussing. The
preliminary verdict is that Solaris FG 400 can easily be pushed to 1600 ASA.
I'll analyse and post the results in a scientific way and put samples on my
web
site shortly. The mask is denser, but presents no problem when scanning. A
histogram seems to indicate that it is about twice as dense as normal. But I
have no good way of measuring this. I think about it a bit.

I have no idea what would happen if these negatives were put in an enlarger.

For those interested in the pictures of the close-up 'flash
reflector-contraption'
please look. I'm going to remove them in a few hours to make room for the
push
samples.

Don

Dr E D F Williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


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From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Pushing C-41


 You might take into consideration that some films are supposedly more
 pushable than others. I believe Fujipress, T400CN and possibly the
 Supras are set up so the orange mask isn't as sensitive to development
 times as in other films.

 Haven't tried it myself, and the mask is only half the problem.

 tv

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don
  Williams Finland
  Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:21 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Pushing C-41
 
 
  I've found quite a bit more about pushing C-41 - after more
  intelligent
  searching on the WWW. It would appear that the recommended
  increase per stop
  ranges from 15% to 30% of normal time in the developer. I
  don't use an
  enlarger so any filtration would be done in PhotoShop. Of
  course scanning
  involves other potential difficulties, but I won't touch on
  those for the
  moment. I'll start my experiments when the sun comes out.
 
  D
 
  Dr E D F Williams
  Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
  Updated: March 30, 2002
 
 
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  Subject: Re: Pushing C-41
 
 
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   Push processing film increases contrast, and BD+f, but doesn't
   provide any useful speed increase.
   William Robb
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   And.would add a colour cast than no amount of filtration could
   eliminate.
  
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How good is the tamron 200-500mm zoom

2002-07-22 Thread fido

I have been looking for a large zoom that is reseasonably cheap and this one
fits the bill
has any one tried it?
what is like optically is it sharp or soft?

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Re: Re: Pentax Poster

2002-07-22 Thread David Brooks

My first HAR
Dave
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, Don gave me a Kodak Portra denim cooler, which I
immediately put a bunch pf Fuji film into.
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Re: Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)

2002-07-22 Thread David Brooks

As a side note,i understand you need the SB28DX for 
proper TTL colour matrix metering on the D1,DX etc.
Up here in the Great White North ,they run just under
$800.00 Can for one.That why i use a used 285HV and 
quess.

Dave
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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:09:46 +0100
To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)


Bruce wrote to ROB:

 I wonder how many of us, when actually faced with the
buying proposition, wouldn't have a similar problem.  It makes you
wonder how deep into a system you really are when all the focal
lengths shift like that.  He could almost consider any brand now.  Oh
yeah, his SB28 flash won't work in TTL mode with the new body either.
That means he has to get a new flash also.

Those of you who are waiting for the Pentax digital because of
existing lenses may want to examine if you really would want to use
them or would seek a different set of focal lengths like my friend.
You may end up buying a new system whether it is Pentax or another
anyway.

This is exactly what I have thought about, and am now putting into 
operation my Master Plan.

I'm keeping some Pentax gear, namely MXs and a couple of lenses 
(Tokina 
28-70 and some old primes inc 35mm). I've already bought an EOS fit 
Tokina 28-70 in anticipation if a D60.

At the moment (on film) my requirements are:
a nice wide - I've got a 17mm Tok, would love a 15mm SMC
a good portrait lens - I've got the A*85mm 1.4
Tok 28-70 2.8
Sigma 70-200 2.8
Tok 300 2.8
and a few others I don't use much, a Tok macro, a couple of SMC 
primes 
(50,28)

With a 2/3 chip DSLR, using a 1.6 times magnification factor, this 
would 
be the setup:

a reasonable wide (a Tok 17mm would be fine - giving effective 28mm 
or 
so) , but I'm not a wide shooter, so could wait until last to 
acquire...
a good portrait lens - a 50mm 1.4 would be ideal (effectively 80mm)
Tok 28-70 (49-112) 2.8
Tok or Sig 70-200 (112-320) 2.8

and that's it.

So, in my case, an assuming Pentax *do* cough up the digicam, All I 
would 
do is sell the 85mm and the 300mm and keep the others. Except that 
for 
various reasons I am putting the Master Plan into action which is to 
sell 
everything except the 28-70 and one or two others, and buy a 50mm, 28-
70, 
70-200 and a D60.

In stages, of course. Why? That's another thread ;-)

Cotty

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Re: O.T. Texas Leica

2002-07-22 Thread Jeff

Thanks Raimo for that bit of information.
I first heard the nickname when I started searching for the Fuji 6x9
rangefinders.

Jeff

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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: Vs: O.T. Texas Leica


 The original Texas Leica is the famous KE-4(1) Combat Camera made by
Graflex for the U.S. Signal Corps in 1953. It uses 70 mm film for 55 x 70 mm
exposures. Also nicknamed Gulliver´s Contax because the designer was
Hubert Nerwin who also designed Contax II for Zeiss Ikon.
 All the best!
 Raimo
 Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

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 Aihe: Re: O.T. Texas Leica


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 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:51 AM
 Subject: Re: O.T. Texas Leica
 
 
 
  But Jeff, you can't call it a Texas Leica - I was the only one there
 yesterday
  with a Leica (sorry, I just had to say that;  the CL is still a new
toy)
 vbg.
 
 
 Sorry Frank,
 I didn't want to steal the thunder. Yours is a real Leica, but the 690
 series Fuji are known as the Texas Leica.
 Hi Jim, I'm shopping for special suspenders to carry this sucker around.
 
 Jeff.
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Sunpak 522 and other questions

2002-07-22 Thread Mishka

Hi all:
Seems like my previous message have gotten lost somewhere in /dev/null
along the way. So here it goes again:
(1) This saturday I have paid a visit to a local store and got myself a
Sunpak 522 flash, no instruction manual (couldn't resist the price). I
would greatly appreciate if someone who has any experience with this
beast could give me a quick run-around for it. It has at least one too
many dials for me to figure on my own :)
(2) At the same place I found a SMCK 135/2.5. What would be a good hood
for it (it has 58mm filter, if I am not mistaken)?

Best,

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Re: Pentax Poster

2002-07-22 Thread Pentxuser

Dave put me down for one too, if you would please.

Vic, Hamilton area
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Pentax usa website in numbers? HELP!!!

2002-07-22 Thread Albano_Garcia

Hi, gang
I need to download some manuals and the usual url doesn't work for me. It
seems the guys didn't payed to actualize the links or something like that.
Can somebody give me the url in numbers (like 128.3.100.whatever)?
Thanks in advance

Albano
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Re: Re[2]: OT: Digital

2002-07-22 Thread Steve Desjardins

I really don't think that Pentax should wait for a full size chip. 
They should get something out the door now before they lose any more
market share and come out with the full size CCD when everyone else
does, i.e., when the technology is a bit more mature. ( I think the chip
used in the Contax model was rushed to market, and I have heard about
problems with it, probably on this list.)  

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/21/02 07:22PM 
On 21 Jul 2002 at 10:52, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 Those of you who are waiting for the Pentax digital because of
 existing lenses may want to examine if you really would want to use
 them or would seek a different set of focal lengths like my friend.
 You may end up buying a new system whether it is Pentax or another
 anyway.

Hi Bruce,

Let's hope that Pentax sticks to the original plan and produces a full
frame 
DSLR, then ther'd be no issue, if not though I hope its fairly large so
that 
the multiplyer is small, thankfully with my range of SLR lenses I'd
only miss 
out at the ultra-wide lens in any case.

Cheers,

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can any one recommend a good flash

2002-07-22 Thread happy just happy

i use the following cameras
pz-1
k2 dmd
kx

with 17mm to 200mm lenses
i currently use an old pentax 80 flash
what is the af330 like
i take landscape mNY wide angle shots
a good flash around 100-200 dollars please
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Re: AP UK on why digital is no good

2002-07-22 Thread Herb Chong

I thought that the whole point of an LCD is that it consumes low amounts
of power. . . . not that I'm trying to attack your use of the
viewfinder, I myself prefer using the viewfinder, although the most
technically complex slr I have is a Super Program . . .

IL Bill


a digital camer's LCD is one of, if not the most, high power consuming
component.

Herb...
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OT: Thought for the day

2002-07-22 Thread Bob Walkden

From the Herald Tribune:

Making the London rounds is the anecdote of a bemused Tony Blair hearing
George W. Bush's simple explanation for France's economic decline. In
this account of an aside at a recent summit, Bush told Blair that the French
trouble is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.

http://www.iht.com/articles/64155.html
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Re[2]: Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

er, no, you can't assume that. I have no intention of giving up my
film cameras (not all SLRs). At the moment I have no intention of
buying digital stuff either, but I like to think about the
possibilities. If DV is good enough, there would be no need to buy a
stills digital camera, instead you could kill 2 birds with one stone -
I'm quite interesting in trying video sometime.

---

 Bob  

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Monday, July 22, 2002, 10:49:10 AM, you wrote:

 On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Bob Walkden wrote:

 I can see a lot of advantages to shooting a burst of
 video rather than a few frames of stills, and if it's easy to get a
 high quality still out of the video burst, I wonder why anybody would
 use a stills camera if they have a DV camera like this? It seems to me
 that this turns on the issue of the quality of the output. Does
 anybody know how the quality of these things compares with high-end
 digital stills cameras? Any other issues to consider?

 Hallo Bob!

 (pause) :-(

 so,, I can assume that you are dumping the film SLRs going for 
 digital. 

 OK, please go ahead.
 :-(

 Wish you all the best.
 Ayash.
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RE: can any one recommend a good flash

2002-07-22 Thread Rob Brigham

The AF360 FGZ is $209 at BH (www.bhphotovideo.com).  This flash does
just about everything and will work TTL, manual, or via its own sensor.
It also has bounce and a built in catchlight deflector and wide angle
panel.  It will also work P-TTL and wireless if you upgrade to a camera
with this facility later.  Only thing it doesn't have is swivel.

 -Original Message-
 From: happy just happy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 22 July 2002 14:32
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: can any one recommend a good flash
 
 
 i use the following cameras
 pz-1
 k2 dmd
 kx
 
 with 17mm to 200mm lenses
 i currently use an old pentax 80 flash
 what is the af330 like
 i take landscape mNY wide angle shots
 a good flash around 100-200 dollars please
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Re: Pentax usa website in numbers? HELP!!!

2002-07-22 Thread Mishka

C:\nslookup pentaxusa.com

Name:pentaxusa.com
Address:  12.151.61.151

is that what you are looking for?

Best,
Mishka

 From: Albano_Garcia 
 Subject: Pentax usa website in numbers? HELP!!! 
 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:51:32 -0700 
 
 Hi, gang
 I need to download some manuals and the usual url doesn't work for 
 me. It seems the guys didn't payed to actualize the links or 
 something like that. Can somebody give me the url in numbers (like 
 128.3.100.whatever)?
 Thanks in advance
 
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Street photography

2002-07-22 Thread Bob Walkden

Coincident to the recent discussion about this subject, the London
Independent is running a series of photos from the street
photography website www.in-public.com. Some good photos there, but
some very bad and pretentious writing.

Bob
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Re: Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert

On 22 Jul 2002 at 10:00, Bob Walkden wrote:

 Hi,
 
 the other day I posted a link about the photojournalist David Turnley,
 who uses a Sony DV camera to make documentary films, and has posted
 some frames from them as stills in their own right. Here is the link
 again: http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0203/dt01.htm.
 
 I dug around a bit and found out that he used Sony DSR PD100A and DSR
 PD150 cameras, which appear to be top-of-the-range professional DV
 cameras.

 Does
 anybody know how the quality of these things compares with high-end
 digital stills cameras? Any other issues to consider?

Hi Bob,

He's obviously not too perturbed by quality issues as the Sony DSR-PD150 DVCAM 
incorporates a 1/3-inch 3CCD with 380 000 pixels gross providing a meagre 
340,000 effective pixels in a 4:3 ratio :-(

Cheers,


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Re: Re: Pentax Poster

2002-07-22 Thread David Brooks

We'll start a list.,Vic

Dave

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Dave put me down for one too, if you would please.

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Re: More on pushing C-41

2002-07-22 Thread Don Williams Finland

According to the Tetenal technical people Reala 800 pushes very nicely to
3200. They recommend 30s per stop of push. My calculations were short by 7s.
I developed for 288s with developer that had already processed four films -
the normal' time would have been 3m 55s.

Don

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Updated: March 30, 2002


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 Push processing film increases contrast, and BD+f, but doesn't
 provide any useful speed increase.
 William Robb
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 And.would add a colour cast than no amount of filtration could
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Bokeh

2002-07-22 Thread Francis Alviar

Hello to all,

I have two photographs that I would like to group to
view.  Please let me know if the bokeh is pleasing or
not.  Both photos were taken with screwmount lenses. 
Thank you.

Here's the
link:http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/three_gs/Bokeh/samples.html
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Re[2]: Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)

High quality video isn't the dame thing as high quality stills. There's still only 
something like 400 scan lines, so it's not going to be better than VGA resolution. It 
may look fine on a monitor, or small (tiny) print, but nothing like a photography even 
at 4x6.
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Pentax Poster Canada Post

2002-07-22 Thread andre

I discovered on the (frustating) Canada Post site (or is it bad only 
on Netscape?) that it is cheap to send a rolled poster in a tube to 
USA from Canada if you send it as printed matter (posters would be 
considered gravures produced by a photomechanical process): I 
figured out US$2.75 for 2 posters if total weight is under 500g.  BUT 
there is no printed matter fees for domestic mailings !!!  (I just 
confirmed that with Canada Post).  Some of us with extra posters 
might wish to send them to USA.  Within Canada there is no other 
(cheap) way as forming local buyers groups.

I will have posters for PDMLers from (or going to) Quebec or Montreal 
pretty soon.  They have been mailed from Italy today.  So Wendy can 
probably count on me.

I also go to Ottawa once in a while.

Any PDML tourists heading for Quebec this summer?

ANdre


Well gang, I recieved a nice mailing tube from
Italy today with
five AOHC posters enclosed.
William Robb


Nice score William. I assume they are for
personal or Western Canada use.
Hey TOPDMLers(and Ottawa PDMLers)shall we get
together on this and order a tube?
I fiqure 6 in the GTA and if Wendy wants one
sent from us that is 7 correct.

Dave

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Re: Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Cotty

Hi Bob,

I dug around a bit and found out that he used Sony DSR PD100A and DSR
PD150 cameras, which appear to be top-of-the-range professional DV
cameras. 

[snip]

 I wonder why anybody would
use a stills camera if they have a DV camera like this? It seems to me
that this turns on the issue of the quality of the output. Does
anybody know how the quality of these things compares with high-end
digital stills cameras? Any other issues to consider?

Interesting. One issue to consider is that of shutter speed. Normally, 
video is shot so that the image, if examined frame by frame, will appear 
blurry if movement is involved. This helps the moving image retain a 
sense of er, movement.

Hi spec video cameras have an electronic shutter that is able to switch 
in and operate just like a normal shutter, with various shutter speeds 
etc. On the Betacam SX camera I use for work, these speeds are 1/60, 
1/125, 1/250, 1/500, 1/1000, 1/2000. Normally, the shutter speed is 
1/60th (standard setting), and this aids movement in an image, giving the 
sense that a car, say, moving at speed past the stationary camera, is 
actually moving (follow this ? ;-) - whereas, if you select a higher 
shutter speed, say 1/2000th, and shoot the same scene, even though the 
car is whizzing past the camera, the image is changed. The car still 
moves at speed, but the crispness of the car is overemphasised. The 
detail on the car - even at speed - is heightened, making the car look a 
bit unnatural.

However - examine those two scenes, frame by frame, and this is what you 
find: stop the car in the frame as it is just passing the camera. At 
1/60th the car is blurred, as you would expect. At 1/2000th, the car is 
crystal clear, and looks like it is stationary and parked up. So yes, if 
you shoot with the shutter speed kicked in, and freeze the frame, you'll 
get a sharp image, but - 

Normal video is not routinely shot with a high shutter speed, as the 
effect can be unpleasant. Sports footage however *is* routinely shot with 
a high shutter speed - think of the action replays. We need to see that 
tennis ball hit (or not) the line - not a blurry green streak. Shutter 
speeds have their uses.

I used to film loads of airshows, and using shutter speeds on prop-driven 
aircraft had disastrous consequences. The rotors and props looked 
dreadful, and the director thundered a decree that shutters were not to 
be used on such planes! You get a 'strobing' effect on the props, which 
distracts attention, and looks weird, although it can have its uses 
(music sequences etc).

So, I think that if you were to shoot video for stills use, a fast 
shutter speed would be useful. You would shoot video for stills, or video 
for video, but perhaps not both at the same time. The goals are different.

Having said that, the quality of the still image would be entirely 
dependent on the quality of the CCD(s), the imaging system, the medium 
acquired onto, the editing process, etc. Beta SX is a digital broadcast 
medium, and the still pics from it are remarkable, but that's from a 
camera costing 20 grand (UKP) plus, and a post-production facility, 
server-based editing system worth another 5 million!

Interesting point though. The EOS-1D can shoot 8 frames a second, so why 
not 25 frames a second? 

BTW, I have no info on the quality of the cameras you mention.

Cheers,

Cotty

(with obviously little work going on here this afternoon ;-)

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Re: Street Photography (was: Re: AP UK on why digital is no good.)

2002-07-22 Thread Cotty

Ayash wrote:

Uhhh, h, the rotary vacuam pump is giving problem. I have to rush for 
it now. 

Oh yeah - that's a pain. That happened to me once and I couldn't sit down 
for a week...







;-)

Cot

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Re: Pentax Poster Canada Post

2002-07-22 Thread David Brooks

Thanks for the info Andre.I think Frank was doing
something re the posters for the GTA folk,but
i'll find out.

Dave

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From: andre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:35:44 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Pentax Poster  Canada Post


I discovered on the (frustating) Canada Post site (or is it bad only 
on Netscape?) that it is cheap to send a rolled poster in a tube to 
USA from Canada if you send it as printed matter (posters would be 
considered gravures produced by a photomechanical process): I 
figured out US$2.75 for 2 posters if total weight is under 500g.  BUT 
there is no printed matter fees for domestic mailings !!!  (I just 
confirmed that with Canada Post).  Some of us with extra posters 
might wish to send them to USA.  Within Canada there is no other 
(cheap) way as forming local buyers groups.

I will have posters for PDMLers from (or going to) Quebec or Montreal 
pretty soon.  They have been mailed from Italy today.  So Wendy can 
probably count on me.

I also go to Ottawa once in a while.

Any PDML tourists heading for Quebec this summer?

ANdre


Well gang, I recieved a nice mailing tube from
Italy today with
five AOHC posters enclosed.
William Robb


Nice score William. I assume they are for
personal or Western Canada use.
Hey TOPDMLers(and Ottawa PDMLers)shall we get
together on this and order a tube?
I fiqure 6 in the GTA and if Wendy wants one
sent from us that is 7 correct.

Dave

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Re: Bokeh

2002-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert

On 22 Jul 2002 at 7:32, Francis Alviar wrote:

 Hello to all,
 
 I have two photographs that I would like to group to
 view.  Please let me know if the bokeh is pleasing or
 not.  Both photos were taken with screwmount lenses. 

Francis,

I'm not going to judge good nor bad however I can provide brief subjective 
views:

The bokeh behind the tree-trunk seems to me more distracting as the highlights 
have quite hard and distinct edges hence they draw my attention. The bokeh 
visible in the other image bud whist more smooth edged is distracting by virtue 
of the background subject matters contrast, it's also not so out of focus. 

I find it pretty difficult to make reasonable subjective bokeh comparisons 
between dislike images.

Cheers,

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Re: Thought for the day

2002-07-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Bob Walkden
Subject: OT: Thought for the day


 From the Herald Tribune:

 Making the London rounds is the anecdote of a bemused Tony
Blair hearing
 George W. Bush's simple explanation for France's economic
decline. In
 this account of an aside at a recent summit, Bush told Blair
that the French
 trouble is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.

The really amazing thing is that Presidnt Buffoon has such a
high popularity rating. Probably because he is not afraid to
declare war on anyone that ticks him off.

William  Robb
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Re: Bokeh

2002-07-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Francis Alviar
Subject: Bokeh


 Hello to all,

 I have two photographs that I would like to group to
 view.  Please let me know if the bokeh is pleasing or
 not.  Both photos were taken with screwmount lenses.
 Thank you.

 Here's the
 link:http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/three_gs/Bokeh/samples.html

Dead link.
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Re: Bokeh

2002-07-22 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

Hallo Francis!

The bokeh looks better because of its circular shape in the first 
photograph (tree bark) though they are not quite prominent. 
In the second photograph of the bud, the bokeh is prominent but it is 
clearly of hexagonal shape. 
May be some people may like the other way round. :-)

Cheers,
Ayash.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Francis Alviar wrote:

 Hello to all,
 
 I have two photographs that I would like to group to
 view.  Please let me know if the bokeh is pleasing or
 not.  Both photos were taken with screwmount lenses. 
 Thank you.
 
 Here's the
 link:http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/three_gs/Bokeh/samples.html
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Re[2]: Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

Aaaah, I am getting some fresh air. 
Cheers,
Ayash.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote:

  High quality video isn't the dame thing as high quality stills. There's 
 still only something like 400 scan lines, so it's not going to be better 
 than VGA resolution. It may look fine on a monitor, or small (tiny) 
 print, but nothing like a photography even at 4x6.
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Favour Requested

2002-07-22 Thread camdir

For a Polish chap living on a boat in Brighton Marina, without net access, does anyone 
have a copy (original or otherwise) of the Super A manual. Or even an address for an 
online version. Appropriate remuneration available!!

Please mail me OFF LIST.

Thx

Peter
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Re: Bokeh

2002-07-22 Thread Fred

 I have two photographs that I would like togroup to
 view.  Please let me know if the bokeh is pleasing or
 not.

It's difficult to compare, Francis, since the two photos are so
disimilar.  I guess I find the more prominent highlights of the
first photo to be more distracting, but yet also more pleasant on
the subjective eyes at the very same time.  (???)

Fred
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Re: Street Photography (was: Re: AP UK on why digital is no good.)

2002-07-22 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

check the gasket
check the oil sealing 
check the oil quality? Has it gone bad? Yes? 
   then change it. another messy job. getting a good bath with vacuam pump 
   oil of grade 18. :-(
Oh no! What you have done? You have used the wrong grade. Use grade 100. 
Drain it out. Another bath but this one in a fresh oil. :-
Where can I find grade 100, Sir?
You fool, don't you know that. Ring up the company. Ask them.

One day passed by. The pump is fixed. 

Now what?? 
The diffusion pump is not working, Sir.
Then kick it. :-)))

Unfortunately, Cotty, I am trying hard to fix it but I have not kicked it 
yet.

Cheers,
Ayash.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Cotty wrote:

 Ayash wrote:
 
 Uhhh, h, the rotary vacuam pump is giving problem. I have to rush for 
 it now. 
 
 Oh yeah - that's a pain. That happened to me once and I couldn't sit down 
 for a week...
 ;-)
 
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Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!

2002-07-22 Thread Albano_Garcia

Hi, big brother's gang
There's something like Boz' site dedicated to Pentax Medium format?
I mean good info, tips, photos, etc. And not only about current models, but
about older 6x7, 67 and 645.
Thanks in advance

Albano
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Re: How good is the tamron 200-500mm zoom

2002-07-22 Thread Joseph Tainter

Do you mean the current autofocus 200-400? Or is there a manual focus
200-500? Anyway, it doesn't appear that the 200-400 is available in
Pentax AF mount.

Sigma makes a 135-400, 170-500, and a 50-500 in Pentax AF. Tokina has an
80-400.

Joe
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Re: can any one recommend a good flash

2002-07-22 Thread Brendan

Pentax AF280 will work on all.

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 k2 dmd
 kx
 
 with 17mm to 200mm lenses
 i currently use an old pentax 80 flash
 what is the af330 like
 i take landscape mNY wide angle shots
 a good flash around 100-200 dollars please
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RE: can any one recommend a good flash

2002-07-22 Thread Raivo Tiikmaa

Hi !

Go for Sigma 500 Super

Cheers , Raivo
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Re: Bokeh

2002-07-22 Thread Takehiko Ueda

Hello Francis,

I like the left one (tree trunk); I think bokeh is
effective when used in order to highlight the subject. 
Maybe this is not the matter of bokeh, but in the right one
(bud) it is rather dark and the subject doesn't seem to me
appealing.

Sincerely,


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Re: can any one recommend a good flash

2002-07-22 Thread Bill Owens

I, too, vote for the AF360FGZ. Works in P-TTL mode with newest bodies, TTL
with bodies that support it, has AF sensor for those without TTL capability,
and full manual.  It also has settings for 645 and 67 coverage if you
eventually move up to medium format.  For use with the bodies that support
wireless, no swivel is not a big deal.

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Re: Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!

2002-07-22 Thread gfen

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There's something like Boz' site dedicated to Pentax Medium format?

I've asked this before, and alas, there's not.

 I mean good info, tips, photos, etc. And not only about current models, but
 about older 6x7, 67 and 645.
 Thanks in advance

Robert Monaghan's site (I don't know the URL, but it should be easily
found) is superb for all things MF, but its not just Pentax.

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RE: what tv broke (Was:Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!)

2002-07-22 Thread tom

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
 Christian Skofteland
 
 
 On Monday 22 July 2002 14:35, tv wrote:
 
 
  Unrelated topic: anyone want to guess what I broke this 
 weekend? It
  wasn't a flash.
 
  tv
 
 BESIDES your tripod?  Knowing you, you found a way to break 
 your new Kirk 
 ball-head or your assistant's head.


No, though she almost cried.

It's lighting-related.

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Re: 67 Leaf shutter experience

2002-07-22 Thread Pat White

Another way to screw up:  when shooting in the studio, on manual, switch lenses and 
forget to set the new lens.  If the lens is set to A, and the studio is dim, you (me, 
actually) will be many stops over.  In future, I'll set out all the lenses I'm 
planning to use, and set them after taking the flash reading.

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RE: Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)

2002-07-22 Thread Cesar Matamoros II

Dave,

Still cannot get good TTL with the SB28DX.  At least I did not like what I
shot.  I may have to try it again to see...

César
Panama City, Florida

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)


As a side note,i understand you need the SB28DX for
proper TTL colour matrix metering on the D1,DX etc.
Up here in the Great White North ,they run just under
$800.00 Can for one.That why i use a used 285HV and
quess.

Dave
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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:09:46 +0100
To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)


Bruce wrote to ROB:

 I wonder how many of us, when actually faced with the
buying proposition, wouldn't have a similar problem.  It makes you
wonder how deep into a system you really are when all the focal
lengths shift like that.  He could almost consider any brand now.  Oh
yeah, his SB28 flash won't work in TTL mode with the new body either.
That means he has to get a new flash also.

Those of you who are waiting for the Pentax digital because of
existing lenses may want to examine if you really would want to use
them or would seek a different set of focal lengths like my friend.
You may end up buying a new system whether it is Pentax or another
anyway.

This is exactly what I have thought about, and am now putting into
operation my Master Plan.

I'm keeping some Pentax gear, namely MXs and a couple of lenses
(Tokina
28-70 and some old primes inc 35mm). I've already bought an EOS fit
Tokina 28-70 in anticipation if a D60.

At the moment (on film) my requirements are:
a nice wide - I've got a 17mm Tok, would love a 15mm SMC
a good portrait lens - I've got the A*85mm 1.4
Tok 28-70 2.8
Sigma 70-200 2.8
Tok 300 2.8
and a few others I don't use much, a Tok macro, a couple of SMC
primes
(50,28)

With a 2/3 chip DSLR, using a 1.6 times magnification factor, this
would
be the setup:

a reasonable wide (a Tok 17mm would be fine - giving effective 28mm
or
so) , but I'm not a wide shooter, so could wait until last to
acquire...
a good portrait lens - a 50mm 1.4 would be ideal (effectively 80mm)
Tok 28-70 (49-112) 2.8
Tok or Sig 70-200 (112-320) 2.8

and that's it.

So, in my case, an assuming Pentax *do* cough up the digicam, All I
would
do is sell the 85mm and the 300mm and keep the others. Except that
for
various reasons I am putting the Master Plan into action which is to
sell
everything except the 28-70 and one or two others, and buy a 50mm, 28-
70,
70-200 and a D60.

In stages, of course. Why? That's another thread ;-)

Cotty

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Re: RE: OT: Digital

2002-07-22 Thread David Brooks

Hi Cesar.
I have the D1,i find the grip comfortable and the camera
well balance with the 80-200f2.8 mounted.
The view finder on the D1 also tells me what mode i'm
in so i do not have to look up at the top,only when
i'm in a break mode(sorry Tom no pun here).
My main complaint would be weight,at the horse shows
its slung around my neck from 7:30-8:00am till
about 6:00pm,giving me a stiff neck.

Dave

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From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My main problems with the D1H are:

Size/weight - The grip was uncomfortable after a while.  I could not 
have
the camera in my hand for an extended period of time, unlike my 
Pentaxes.
The weight was another factor that was annoying.

Mode settings and verification - You have to be looking at the top 
display
to verify wich mode (P A S M) you are set to. Unlike the MZ-S where I 
can
feel if the lens is set to A, set the shutter to Auto or likewise the 
LX
where with a twist of the shutter dial I know if I am in Aperture 
Priority
or not.  I found this to be very annoying while uusing the Nikon.

I look forward to a Pentax DSLR, but I cannot see myself going away 
from
film.  I can put my hand on the negative or slide, I have seen too 
many
instances of a file not being recoverable from a CD.

Though the D1H has a great motor and I know many who take shots by 
mashing
on the shutter button, I tend to do a shot at a time and don't need 
the 
frames a second rate.  This could keep the size down.  Look at
http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/secondouting.msnw?
action=ShowPhotoP
hotoID=536 of a timed photo I took of my friend Julie at one of our 
beach
volleyball outings to look at what I strive for.

Just my thoughts,

César
Panama City, Florida
Still catching up after not reading the list for the 
whole weekend
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RE: what tv broke (Was:Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!)

2002-07-22 Thread Brendan

not another cable !

--- tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 
  Christian Skofteland
  
  
  On Monday 22 July 2002 14:35, tv wrote:
  
  
   Unrelated topic: anyone want to guess what I
 broke this 
  weekend? It
   wasn't a flash.
  
   tv
  
  BESIDES your tripod?  Knowing you, you found a way
 to break 
  your new Kirk 
  ball-head or your assistant's head.
 
 
 No, though she almost cried.
 
 It's lighting-related.
 
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RE: OT: Digital

2002-07-22 Thread Paris, Leonard

I frequently use my D30 at ISO 800 and haven't had any problems with noise.
At 1600, it's a bit evident.  I wonder if the D30 you used had the latest
firmware installed?  I really appreciate being able to download and install
the updates on my own.

Len
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From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: Digital


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cesar
 Matamoros II



 I have used the Nikon D1H quite a bit the past couple of
 weeks.  It is their
 top of the line DSLR, the D1X is faster and I have used
 that too.

Have you shot much in low light? My last quibble with digital is low
light capability - what do prints shot at 800 or 1600 look like? The
D30 has too much noise above 400, supposedly the D60 is improved in
this respect.

If someone, *anyone*, comes out with a DSLR under $3k that can produce
decent results at 1600 I'll probably buy it.

tv
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Re: RE: Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)

2002-07-22 Thread David Brooks

Cesar.
Thats one of the complains on the Nikon D1 BB.The 
flash is expensive and does not always give the 
effects it was manufactured for.
However,the guy i bought the D1 from says he gets goood
results from it,although i have never seen anything he 
shot using it to confirm.

Dave
 Begin Original Message 

From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:09:14 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)


Dave,

Still cannot get good TTL with the SB28DX.  At least I did not like 
what I
shot.  I may have to try it again to see...

César
Panama City, Florida

-Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Brooks
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)


As a side note,i understand you need the SB28DX for
proper TTL colour matrix metering on the D1,DX etc.
Up here in the Great White North ,they run just under
$800.00 Can for one.That why i use a used 285HV and
quess.

Dave
 Begin Original Message 

From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:09:46 +0100
To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Buying Digital (was: Re[2]: OT: Digital)


Bruce wrote to ROB:

 I wonder how many of us, when actually faced with the
buying proposition, wouldn't have a similar problem.  It makes you
wonder how deep into a system you really are when all the focal
lengths shift like that.  He could almost consider any brand now.  Oh
yeah, his SB28 flash won't work in TTL mode with the new body either.
That means he has to get a new flash also.

Those of you who are waiting for the Pentax digital because of
existing lenses may want to examine if you really would want to use
them or would seek a different set of focal lengths like my friend.
You may end up buying a new system whether it is Pentax or another
anyway.

This is exactly what I have thought about, and am now putting into
operation my Master Plan.

I'm keeping some Pentax gear, namely MXs and a couple of lenses
(Tokina
28-70 and some old primes inc 35mm). I've already bought an EOS fit
Tokina 28-70 in anticipation if a D60.

At the moment (on film) my requirements are:
a nice wide - I've got a 17mm Tok, would love a 15mm SMC
a good portrait lens - I've got the A*85mm 1.4
Tok 28-70 2.8
Sigma 70-200 2.8
Tok 300 2.8
and a few others I don't use much, a Tok macro, a couple of SMC
primes
(50,28)

With a 2/3 chip DSLR, using a 1.6 times magnification factor, this
would
be the setup:

a reasonable wide (a Tok 17mm would be fine - giving effective 28mm
or
so) , but I'm not a wide shooter, so could wait until last to
acquire...
a good portrait lens - a 50mm 1.4 would be ideal (effectively 80mm)
Tok 28-70 (49-112) 2.8
Tok or Sig 70-200 (112-320) 2.8

and that's it.

So, in my case, an assuming Pentax *do* cough up the digicam, All I
would
do is sell the 85mm and the 300mm and keep the others. Except that
for
various reasons I am putting the Master Plan into action which is to
sell
everything except the 28-70 and one or two others, and buy a 50mm, 28-
70,
70-200 and a D60.

In stages, of course. Why? That's another thread ;-)

Cotty

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Re[3]: Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

I don't think it was a satellite phone, but I suppose it may have been.
It was better quality than for example the footage John Simpson shot
in Afghanistan before he liberated Kabul.

I'm currently thinking about Aug 10th (a Sat.) for the Ansel Adams,
and talking to another pdmler (from near your part of the world) about
meeting up, although we haven't finalised things yet. I might be able
to do 17/18th if it was after 6pm, but I'm freelance, which means no
work = no pay. I wouldn't want to take time off just for Ansel. Hank
maybe... g

---

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Monday, July 22, 2002, 7:48:32 PM, you wrote:

 I don't recall the actual footage.

 What it may have been is tv news footage edited, then compressed and sent 
 over a satellite phone. This literally gives the impression of moving 
 jpegs! You do get the grainy effect. Most noticeable in a moving shot, 
 less so in a nice stable shot. The presenters move their heads less when 
 doing PTCs (Piece To Camera) over a sat phone: it looks much better.

 Otherwise perhaps it was just a grunt-cam (army video guy - shoot first 
 as questions later :-)

 Cot

 PS - have you been to Ansel Adams @100 yet? The only days I can go will 
 be Sept 17th or 18th (I refuse to go on a weekend). If you or anyone else 
 fancies a pint before or afterwards, I'm up for it.
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RE: 67 Leaf shutter experience

2002-07-22 Thread Paris, Leonard

Not really a bad practice to use with any camera using studio lights.

Len
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From: Pat White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 2:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 67 Leaf shutter experience


Another way to screw up:  when shooting in the studio, on manual, switch
lenses and forget to set the new lens.  If the lens is set to A, and the
studio is dim, you (me, actually) will be many stops over.  In future, I'll
set out all the lenses I'm planning to use, and set them after taking the
flash reading.

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Re: RE: OT: Digital

2002-07-22 Thread David Brooks

Hi Tom.I experimented in June with some available light
at an indoor reining show,no flash.I wanted to shoot at 800 and
1600,but mostly 800.I did some adjustments in Elements
(i like the one touch colour adjuster)and printed out a 5x7.
At that size it looked nice.I have some scaled to web examples
on http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj
click on the reining link.I dont know if you can
see what you want from these pictures though.

Dave
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Sent: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:55:48 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: Digital


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cesar
 Matamoros II



 I have used the Nikon D1H quite a bit the past couple of
 weeks.  It is their
 top of the line DSLR, the D1X is faster and I have used
 that too.

Have you shot much in low light? My last quibble with digital is low
light capability - what do prints shot at 800 or 1600 look like? The
D30 has too much noise above 400, supposedly the D60 is improved in
this respect.

If someone, *anyone*, comes out with a DSLR under $3k that can produce
decent results at 1600 I'll probably buy it.

tv
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RE: what tv broke (Was:Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!)

2002-07-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm guessing now that it's his light meter...
Tom's assistant dropped it, went looking for it, and then heard a crunch
beneath his/her feet...

Smirkingly,
Dave


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 
  Christian Skofteland
  
  
  On Monday 22 July 2002 14:35, tv wrote:
  
  
   Unrelated topic: anyone want to guess what I
 broke this 
  weekend? It
   wasn't a flash.
  
   tv
  
  BESIDES your tripod?  Knowing you, you found a way
 to break 
  your new Kirk 
  ball-head or your assistant's head.
 
 
 No, though she almost cried.
 
 It's lighting-related.
 
 tv



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Re: OT: Thought for the day

2002-07-22 Thread Bmacrae

In a message dated 7/22/2002 11:03:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Or perhaps his humor is just too subtle for you.
 Do we really need political commentary on the PDML?
 
 How about knocking this shit off?
 
 Len
 

I think you miss the irony in your statement. Wasn't this post also 
commentary?

I could have taken you seriously if you only said to knock it off.

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Film developpers keeping time (stock solution)?

2002-07-22 Thread andre

I want to prepare stock solution of D-76, Microdol-X and Acufine.  I 
can't find information on the keeping time of these solutions, except 
that liquid Microdol has good keeping properties.  I have powder to 
make a gallon of each and know I can't divide the powder to make 
smaller quantities.

I keep these solutions in dark one-gallon glass bottles.  I the past, 
I have been able to use it quite fast as I was using one type of 
developper at a time but now I would like to have access to 2 or 3 
different devellopers at the same time.  I could eventually use a few 
Paterson squeeze bottle to gain time for developpers with short 
keeping time.

Any first hand or second hand information about this topic?

Thanks,

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Re: What Tom Broke

2002-07-22 Thread Ken Archer

I'm guessing he broke the bank.

Ken
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RE: OT: Digital

2002-07-22 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)

Unless Nikon changed the information in the viewfinder going from the F100 to the D1x, 
the mode is in the viewfinder and you don't have to look at the top of the camera. 
Also, what ever settings you used last, for each of the settings in a particular mode, 
remain if you switch into another mode and then back. For example: I might have Manual 
set to 1/30 @ f5.6 (for flash) and then go into Av Mode, set the camera to f11, go 
back to manual (changing modes entails holding down the mode button with one finger 
and rotating a dial with the thumb - very quick and doesn't require removing the 
camera from you eye or shifting your grip) and the settings will still be 1/30 @ f5.6. 
I've used the mode less Pentaxes for many years and the mode Nikons for several, and 
find the Nikons to be much faster in practice.


From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mode settings and verification - You have to be looking at the top display
to verify wich mode (P A S M) you are set to. Unlike the MZ-S where I can
feel if the lens is set to A, set the shutter to Auto or likewise the LX
where with a twist of the shutter dial I know if I am in Aperture Priority
or not.  I found this to be very annoying while uusing the Nikon.
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RE: what tv broke (Was:Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!)

2002-07-22 Thread tom

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 not another cable !

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   Christian Skofteland
  
  
   On Monday 22 July 2002 14:35, tv wrote:
  
   
Unrelated topic: anyone want to guess what I
  broke this
   weekend? It
wasn't a flash.
   
tv
  
   BESIDES your tripod?  Knowing you, you found a way
  to break
   your new Kirk
   ball-head or your assistant's head.
 
 
  No, though she almost cried.
 
  It's lighting-related.
 
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Re: How good is the tamron 200-500mm zoom

2002-07-22 Thread William Kane

Fido,

   I don't know anything about this particular lens, but I have a
Vivitar Series 1 100-500 up on E-bay right now that I enjoyed.

   If you're interested see the following link 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1367903593

Illinois Bill

fido wrote:
 
 I have been looking for a large zoom that is reseasonably cheap and this one
 fits the bill
 has any one tried it?
 what is like optically is it sharp or soft?
 
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Re: AP UK on why digital is no good

2002-07-22 Thread William Kane

Herb, et al . . .

   First of all, who's this Al guy? :-) . . .

   . . . somehow I missed that it was a digital camera, which explains
it all.  When I originally posted I was thinking about the basic LCD
(like the one in the super program, in date backs and in watches . . .).

Thanks for the clarification,
IL Bill

Herb Chong wrote:
 
 I thought that the whole point of an LCD is that it consumes low amounts
 of power. . . . not that I'm trying to attack your use of the
 viewfinder, I myself prefer using the viewfinder, although the most
 technically complex slr I have is a Super Program . . .
 
 IL Bill
 
 
 a digital camer's LCD is one of, if not the most, high power consuming
 component.
 
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RE: what tv broke (Was:Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!)

2002-07-22 Thread tom

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 I'm guessing now that it's his light meter...
 Tom's assistant dropped it, went looking for it, and then
 heard a crunch
 beneath his/her feet...

We were set up outside with the flash on a stand with an umbrella.
Assistant #8 was suppposed to be holding the stand as it was a bit
windy.

Ahem.

Luckily the flash didn't break, but the off-camera Adapter F and the
umbrella are toast.

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RE: OT: Digital

2002-07-22 Thread tom

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 I frequently use my D30 at ISO 800 and haven't had any
 problems with noise.
 At 1600, it's a bit evident.  I wonder if the D30 you used
 had the latest
 firmware installed?

I don't know, this was over a year ago when I saw some prints at a
local lab.

At what size enlargement does pixelation (noise, whatever) become
apparent at 800?

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RE: OT: Digital

2002-07-22 Thread Cesar Matamoros II

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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 2:56 PM

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 Matamoros II



 I have used the Nikon D1H quite a bit the past couple of
 weeks.  It is their
 top of the line DSLR, the D1X is faster and I have used
 that too.

Have you shot much in low light? My last quibble with digital is low
light capability - what do prints shot at 800 or 1600 look like? The
D30 has too much noise above 400, supposedly the D60 is improved in
this respect.

If someone, *anyone*, comes out with a DSLR under $3k that can produce
decent results at 1600 I'll probably buy it.

tv
-
Tom,

I have not.  There are a few available light from my back porch and interior
macro shots.  It is one of the things I want to check out at a later date.
I have only used 400 a couple of times.  I guess there are more reasons to
take it home at some point...

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RE: Film developpers keeping time (stock solution)?

2002-07-22 Thread tom

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 I want to prepare stock solution of D-76, Microdol-X and
 Acufine.  I
 can't find information on the keeping time of these
 solutions, except
 that liquid Microdol has good keeping properties.  I have powder to
 make a gallon of each and know I can't divide the powder to make
 smaller quantities.

No, but you can divide the stock solution into quart bottles, or even
into bottles that are exactly the volume you use per batch. The D-76
will last quite a while, more than 6 months, at least. I've never used
Microdol or Acufine.

Also, D-76 is supposed to get better as it ages. You end up with D-76H
after a while. Of course that would be a bit inconsistent

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Re: Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Lawrence Kwan

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Bob Walkden wrote:
 stills cameras. I can see a lot of advantages to shooting a burst of
 video rather than a few frames of stills, and if it's easy to get a high
 quality still out of the video burst, I wonder why anybody would use a
 stills camera if they have a DV camera like this? It seems to me that
 this turns on the issue of the quality of the output. Does anybody know
 how the quality of these things compares with high-end digital stills
 cameras? Any other issues to consider?

The quality of stills extracted from DV video is no where near digital
stills camera.  TV is a low resolution device, and each DV frame (NTSC in
North America) is only 640x480 (converted to square pixel).  PAL has
slightly higher resolution.  So while adequate for web or monitor screen
viewing, it is not good enough for prints.  Many camcorder now has higher
resolution stills function - but it is the same as using camera as you
only shoot one picture at a time.

There is an additional problem in that each TV frame is interlaced - i.e.
consists of 2 fields (odd and even scanning line) taken 1/60th second
apart in NTSC and 1/50th second apart in PAL.  So any movement of camera
or objects would result in blurring in an extracted DV frame.  To
eliminate this problem, you need interpolation of extracted video frame;
or use progressive scan video in the first place.

I like 30 frames per second progressive scan video, as it allows perfect
stills from every video frame.  So I can have 30 frames each second to
choose that perfect moment. However, there aren't that many progressive
scan camcorders around, and progressive scan video can look jerky if you
are not careful.  One has to be careful with camera movement and panning;
but no different as you are shooting film with 180 degree shutter.

The Sony camcorder you mentioned is a very nice 3ccd camcorder.  But it
does not have useful progressive scan video (it can only capture
progressive scan video at 15 frames per second for NTSC; and that's way
too low for video).   However, its 3ccd setup makes very very good stills
at 640x480 (better that the much hyped foveon technology at that
resolution); and better than any 640x480 digital camera.  But there is no
comparison with high end digital still cameras.

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Re: RE: what tv broke (Was:Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!)

2002-07-22 Thread David Brooks

Ever think about setting up in a rubber room Tom


:)

Dave

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 I'm guessing now that it's his light meter...
 Tom's assistant dropped it, went looking for it, and then
 heard a crunch
 beneath his/her feet...

We were set up outside with the flash on a stand with an umbrella.
Assistant #8 was suppposed to be holding the stand as it was a bit
windy.

Ahem.

Luckily the flash didn't break, but the off-camera Adapter F and the
umbrella are toast.

tv
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RE: RE: OT: Digital

2002-07-22 Thread Cesar Matamoros II

Dave,

I used the 80-200/2.8 extensively while shooting some squadron softball.
The weight is definitely a complaint.  Definitely need a monopod for that
beast.

There is no doubt that the camera is well balanced, it is just that the
grip eventually lets my hand know that it is too big to be comfortable in my
hand for a long time.

There is mode indication in the viewfinder, but I have to look at the
screen to verify what mode I am in if I want to change it especially if I
want to move the lens off A.  Not only do I have to take it off the setting,
I have to press the button and move the dial and this is more comfortable to
me with the camera away from eye level.  Then back to the eye to get the
lens setting...  Just a hassle.

César

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Hi Cesar.
I have the D1,i find the grip comfortable and the camera
well balance with the 80-200f2.8 mounted.
The view finder on the D1 also tells me what mode i'm
in so i do not have to look up at the top,only when
i'm in a break mode(sorry Tom no pun here).
My main complaint would be weight,at the horse shows
its slung around my neck from 7:30-8:00am till
about 6:00pm,giving me a stiff neck.

Dave

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From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My main problems with the D1H are:

Size/weight - The grip was uncomfortable after a while.  I could not
have
the camera in my hand for an extended period of time, unlike my
Pentaxes.
The weight was another factor that was annoying.

Mode settings and verification - You have to be looking at the top
display
to verify wich mode (P A S M) you are set to. Unlike the MZ-S where I
can
feel if the lens is set to A, set the shutter to Auto or likewise the
LX
where with a twist of the shutter dial I know if I am in Aperture
Priority
or not.  I found this to be very annoying while uusing the Nikon.

I look forward to a Pentax DSLR, but I cannot see myself going away
from
film.  I can put my hand on the negative or slide, I have seen too
many
instances of a file not being recoverable from a CD.

Though the D1H has a great motor and I know many who take shots by
mashing
on the shutter button, I tend to do a shot at a time and don't need
the 
frames a second rate.  This could keep the size down.  Look at
http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/secondouting.msnw?
action=ShowPhotoP
hotoID=536 of a timed photo I took of my friend Julie at one of our
beach
volleyball outings to look at what I strive for.

Just my thoughts,

César
Panama City, Florida
Still catching up after not reading the list for the
whole weekend
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Re: OT:JPEG patent

2002-07-22 Thread Peter Alling

Prior art, which makes it easy to do away with.  I wouldn't worry about 
it.  Any big
company with an interest in JPEGs will bury them.

At 01:53 PM 7/19/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Galen S Swint writes:
 Actually, just to get people straight, PNG is not a good replacement for
 JPEG. JPEG techniques were specifically engineered for photographs. PNG
 was specifically targeted to replace GIF. I know of no good replace for
 JPEG right now - all the camera makers may just have to suck it up until
 either a) memory gets real cheap and store images in a raw format, or
 b) the patent expires.

 Perhaps JPEG2000? (http://www.jpeg.org/JPEG2000.htm)  Supposed to 
 compress
better while preserving more data (well, probably one or the other, but
still..).
 Worst comes to worse, there's always MPEG I-frames.  Some camera 
 chips
already perform MPEG compression for short movies, so it probably wouldn't
be too difficult to modify them to just encode a single frame as an I-frame.
Mpeg requires a royalty already, but since it's already been paid for...

 Also, hasn't JPEG been out for something like 15+ years?  Isn't a 
 patent
only 17 years?  Doesn't that mean they've gotten a patent awarded for
something that is either prior art or about to expire in a few years anyway?

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Re: How good is the tamron 200-500mm zoom

2002-07-22 Thread William Kane

My apologies,

   I had meant to sent that directly to fido, not to the list.

IL Bill

William Kane wrote:
 
 Fido,
 
I don't know anything about this particular lens, but I have a
 Vivitar Series 1 100-500 up on E-bay right now that I enjoyed.
 
If you're interested see the following link
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1367903593
 
 Illinois Bill
 
 fido wrote:
 
  I have been looking for a large zoom that is reseasonably cheap and this one
  fits the bill
  has any one tried it?
  what is like optically is it sharp or soft?
 
  thankyou
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Re: Digital video for stills

2002-07-22 Thread Lawrence Kwan

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The one problem that I can think of right off is that video is captured at 30
 frames per second. So, any frame grab would effectively be a 1/30 of a second
 exposure.

No, you can set the shutter speed manually.  Most NTSC camcorders default
at 1/60th second shutter speed (1/100th for camcorder with electronic
image stabilization).  But you can certainly use a high shutter speed - up
to 1/100,000th second for some; just that the video won't look smooth
anymore.

 To find a frame that mimics a still (with no blur, decent
 composition, etc.) is something of a chore

The blur you see is mostly due to the effect of interlaced video (please
see my other post on this thread).  Otherwise the frames would be the same
as 1/60th second exposure photos.


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Re: What Tom Broke

2002-07-22 Thread William Kane

Arm?

D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote:
 
  Unrelated topic: anyone want to guess what I broke this weekend? It
  wasn't a flash.
 
 Tripod?
 
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Re: what tv broke (Was:Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!)

2002-07-22 Thread Treena Harp

Have you considered the idea that you might be working off some bad kharma?
:)

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  not another cable !
 
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Christian Skofteland
   
   
On Monday 22 July 2002 14:35, tv wrote:
   

 Unrelated topic: anyone want to guess what I
   broke this
weekend? It
 wasn't a flash.

 tv
   
BESIDES your tripod?  Knowing you, you found a way
   to break
your new Kirk
ball-head or your assistant's head.
  
  
   No, though she almost cried.
  
   It's lighting-related.
  
   tv
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RE: Pentax K1000 Project

2002-07-22 Thread Peter Alling

I hate to say this but not particularly.


At 07:59 AM 7/19/2002 +1000, you wrote:
Anyone feel a bit sorry for the snakes/lizards?

Shaun.


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Subject: Re: Pentax K1000 Project

Hi Cesar,

I think you meant to type:
http://cesar_abdul.home.mindspring.com/LX_skin.html

I really like the cobra LX.  I think that I need to do the same with one
of my cameras.  The cobra is the one you brought to Salt Lake, right?
Except that was before the makeover.

William in Utah.

Cesar Matamoros II wrote:

 
  Interesting.  I was looking at the site yesterday and noted the
black
  K1000.  I thought it looked nice, good work.  But then again I have two of
  my four LXen snake-skinned.
 
  Go to http://cesar_abdul.home.midspring.com/LX_skin.html to view
my
  'exotic' LXen.
 
  César
  Panama City, Florida
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RE: what tv broke (Was:Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!)

2002-07-22 Thread tom

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 Have you considered the idea that you might be working off
 some bad kharma?
 :)

Maybe, but I try and treat everyone well, always bring my own beer to
parties, rescue stray animals and call my mom once a week. I don't
remember any of my past lives, so maybe that's the problem.

I think the problem is that I worry a lot more about getting decent
shots rather than protecting my gear. The solution would be to find an
assistant who *is* worried about the gear, but I haven't found him/her
yet. They tend to get all teary-eyed and not pay much attention to
what they're doing...

Oh, they're so beautiful!

Crash

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RE: Film developpers keeping time (stock solution)?

2002-07-22 Thread andre

  I can't divide the powder to make
   smaller quantities.

No, but you can divide the stock solution into quart bottles, or even
into bottles that are exactly the volume you use per batch.

Also, D-76 is supposed to get better as it ages. You end up with D-76H
after a while. Of course that would be a bit inconsistent

An imperial gallon makes 4.54 liters.  Gee! exactly 6 bottles of wine!

I'll keep the bottles on a wine rack and regularly try this vintage 
D-76 until I get corky negatives...

A.
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FS: AF400FTZ and FA 50/2.8

2002-07-22 Thread tom

In case you're interested, these auctions will end tonight:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1367109576
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1367108694

tv
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Re[2]: 67 Leaf shutter experience

2002-07-22 Thread Bruce Dayton

Pat,

Yeah I've done that one too.  Not only that, I have accidentally
changed the aperture while twisting on the lens without realizing it -
thinking that the aperture was ok.  Something like that I usually
catch within a frame or two.

This leaf shutter thing was much worse.  I even changed lenses, shot a
few frames (they turned out) and then put back on the leaf shutter
lens.  All the while not suspecting that the shutter was cocked and
waiting for me to manually trip it.  I'm still steamed about it.


Bruce



Monday, July 22, 2002, 12:01:49 PM, you wrote:

PW Another way to screw up:  when shooting in the studio, on manual, switch lenses 
and forget to set the new lens.  If the lens is set to A, and the studio is dim, you 
(me, actually) will be many
PW stops over.  In future, I'll set out all the lenses I'm planning to use, and set 
them after taking the flash reading.

PW Pat White
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Re: FS: AF400FTZ and FA 50/2.8

2002-07-22 Thread Christian Skofteland

On Monday 22 July 2002 17:08, tom wrote:
 In case you're interested, these auctions will end tonight:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1367109576
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1367108694

 tv


And how many times each have these items been dropped?

Christian
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Re: Pentax Poster

2002-07-22 Thread frank theriault

I'm in.  I contact you off-list, Dave...

regards,
frank

David Brooks wrote:

 We'll start a list.,Vic


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RE: what tv broke (Was:Hey, you Brotherhood!!!!)

2002-07-22 Thread tom

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 tom wrote:


  Ahem.
 
  Luckily the flash didn't break, but the off-camera
 Adapter F and the
  umbrella are toast.

 Pray tell, what has the assistant lost? Any vital body parts?

 And is this the same assistant who broke the yyy and the
 xxx and the xxx...?


She was a first-timer. Since she did less than $100 in damage, she
gets a second chance.

Besides that, she's a pretty good shooter and I'm hoping to get her to
the point where she can do weddings and portraits on her own.

tv
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Re: can any one recommend a good flash

2002-07-22 Thread Paul Jones

The AF280T is a great flash. Have a look at the specs on Boz's site.

Regards,
Paul
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Subject: can any one recommend a good flash


 i use the following cameras
 pz-1
 k2 dmd
 kx
 
 with 17mm to 200mm lenses
 i currently use an old pentax 80 flash
 what is the af330 like
 i take landscape mNY wide angle shots
 a good flash around 100-200 dollars please
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Re: FS: AF400FTZ and FA 50/2.8

2002-07-22 Thread Fred

 And is this lens [the FA 50/2.8] significantly better than the A
 50/2.8 I already have?

The F 50/2.8 I know to be a sharper macro than the A 5/2.8 (and the
FA version should be the same as the F).  However, the A 50/2.8 is
~so~ much nicer a lens to use for manual focus.

 BTW, the answer I could give myself is wait for an AF 100mm macro
 that would be better than the 100/4 I've always used.  But I guess
 a  50/2.8 macro is usefull if it doubles as your normal lens while
 travelling.

I've used the A 100/4 (it's my wife's macro lens, actually), and it
feels very much like a longer version of the A 50/2.8.  It's a
pretty nice lens (there aren't actually many bad 100-ish macros out
there), although I do prefer the bulkier A 100/2.8 Macro over it.

Fred
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Re: How good is the tamron 200-500mm zoom

2002-07-22 Thread Fred

 Sigma makes a 135-400, 170-500, and a 50-500 in Pentax AF. Tokina
 has an 80-400.

Tokina has made a nice manual focus AT-X 150-500/5.6 lens that I
used to use.  It's a very well built one-touch zoom (as are all of
the manual focus AT-X zooms, from my experience), and quite good
optically up to about 300mm or so, but it does get a little soft
from about 300mm to 500mm.

Fred
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Re: FS: AF400FTZ and FA 50/2.8

2002-07-22 Thread Fred

 And is this lens significantly better than the A 50/2.8 I already
 have?

 i understand that the design is identical and performance should
 be.

Actually, the A 50/2.8 is optically quite different from the F and
FA 50/2.8's (which are the same as each other, though).  As for
performance, I hate to say it (because I do like my A 50/2.8 quite a
bit, for a compact go-anywhere macro lens, with a beautiful manual
focus feel), the F 50/2.8 that I once had (and, therefore, also the
FA 50/2.8, although I have never owned the FA version) is indeed a
sharper lens design (although tactually annoying to use, compared to
the delightful A version).

Fred
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Re[2]: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #2929

2002-07-22 Thread Peter Alling

No you're not.

At 11:51 PM 7/22/2002 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,

Monday, July 22, 2002, 10:56:36 PM, you wrote:

  Understood.

  Saturday the 10th I'm in Norway for a spot of fjording. I'm gonn get
  Jostein drunk and turn all the PUG shots upside down :-)

it'll be a fjord fiesta then...


(sorry)

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Re: Semi-OT: Agfa film question

2002-07-22 Thread Peter Alling

AP here in the States, and probably Canada as well, is the Great Atlantic 
and Pacific Tea Company, which
at least used to be based in Boston Mass.

At 07:59 AM 7/16/2002 -0400, you wrote:
At 04:10 16-7-2002 -0400, you wrote:
From: Martin Mielke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Agfa film question

I've never used HDC, but I understand its discontinued and that Vista is the
replacement. I've used Vista 100 and 200 in the past few months and have
been pleased with the results; based on my experiences it compares well to
Optima. It is indeed hard to find, however. I can find it here in Thunder
Bay at a local pro shop, but also at the AP, of all places.

Martin

Is AP perhaps a German store? I know they have APs in Europe.
When I lived in the Netherlands, if I wanted to buy Agfa film, I would 
often have to go to the drug store to buy it. My local camera shop didn't 
stock it.

Wendy

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Pentax 645NII

2002-07-22 Thread Christien Bunting

Hi all, I'm currently looking to get one of these lovely creatures.

Also my lense lists will include 75mm ,45mm, 200mm Lenses to go with it.

Does anyone have any fields experience with this camera and lenses ?

Thanks

Chris
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RE: Pentax 645NII

2002-07-22 Thread tom

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 Hi all, I'm currently looking to get one of these lovely creatures.

 Also my lense lists will include 75mm ,45mm, 200mm Lenses
 to go with it.

 Does anyone have any fields experience with this camera and lenses ?

Sharp lenses, big negs. What exactly did you want to know?

tv
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