Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Fred

> Once floating element IF designs started it was possible for the
> first time to have ideal performance at any distance. Most, if not
> all the Pentax dedicated macro lenses are not IF designs
> however

I wonder if the "FREE" focusing system used on the A 100/2.8 Macro
and the A* 200/4 Macro serve the same purpose as do floating
elements.  (???)  Both are very sharp at macro range, but both are
also quite sharp at infinity, in my experience.

Fred





Re: SEPTEMBER PUG favorites.

2002-09-10 Thread William Johnson

Thanks for the kind comment Bob.  Really made my day!

William in Utah.

9/10/2002 7:29:45 PM, "Bob Poe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
>I got a chance to view this month's PUG and several
>pics stood out for me:
>Petr Pazour's "Skyey Wavelets" is such an
>intense combination of color, movement, and the
>heightened awareness of scale,  the kind of qualities
>usually seen at the ocean's edge.  Well done!
>Dan Matyola's "Vigeland Park".  The graphic
>qualities of the sculpture work very well in contrast
>to the soft depth of the masses of figures carved in
>the distance.  
>William Johnson's "Haircut".  Of all the
>portraits I see this month, this one was the most
>infectious for me.  This face is so full of spirit.
>Martin Mielke's "Peggy's Cove".  I really
>enjoyed watching this one download...each level
>revealed a new color, a new shape, a new space.  What
>I thought was going to be a cliche pic, slowly turned
>into a personal experience.
>Shawn Canning's "Wildoats" exhibits a strong,
>simple graphic essence which I found to be as musical
>as it is meditative.
>Gerald Lewis's "Red Umbrella" is also a simple
>but elegant statement about color and light.
>Thanks to everyone who keeps the PUG alive...
>Bob
>
>
>=
>What boots up must come down.
>
>__
>Yahoo! - We Remember
>9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost
>http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute
>
>
>






RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell

I'm not saying it's not a really good lens, but it sounds
to me what they have done is made it the highest
possible quality WIDE RANGE MAGNIFICATION lens.
i.e. general purpose AND macro. BUT a true macro
will probably beat it at close range, especially
at 1:1 where a relatively simple symmetrical design
kicks ass but of course sucks at infinity

As far as IF goes, I'm not sure if the rear element
has to be the one moving. it could be like a zoom
where the middle elements are shifting. In fact
some fixed focal length IF designs actually focus closer 
by shortening the focal length the way a zoom does.

Is the focal length still 125mm @ 1:1? (not really sure how
you could measure this...).  

JCO
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll
> 
> 
> On 10 Sep 2002 at 22:19, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> 
> > I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN "HAD". What you have is a long lens
> > with a "macro" feature, not a true macro lens. Like I said,
> > I've read many articles on optical design and true macro
> > lenses are optimized for closeup magnifications not infinity.
> 
> Hi Jon,
> 
> Well I've been "HAD" then, it focuses to 1:1 without tubes, it is 
> sharper and 
> has better contrast than any of my "true" Pentax macro lenses (A*200f4, 
> A100f.2.8 and A50f2.8) or any of the CZ Macro lenses I've owned 
> over the years 
> In fact it is visibly more crisp when viewed though a good 
> finder. So I'm glad 
> to have been "HAD" in this case and will continue to be with 
> enthusiasm :-)
> 
> If you had checked the URLs you would have seen that the lens is 
> constructed of 
> 11 lens elements, it's rear group doesn't move whilst focussing 
> either, just 
> like the A100f2.8 and the A*200f4. A fixed rear element can't 
> recover lost 
> resolution however hard it tries.
> 
> In any case my experience bears out the theory that I sited. Have 
> you actually 
> used any of these lenses?
> 
> I have an associate off list who is a keen macro shooter and has good 
> experience with Pentax macro glass of various genres, he has 
> recently purchased 
> the Lanthar based on my recommendation. I'll try to find out for 
> you if he 
> feels that he's been "HAD".
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
> 




RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Rob Studdert

On 10 Sep 2002 at 22:19, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN "HAD". What you have is a long lens
> with a "macro" feature, not a true macro lens. Like I said,
> I've read many articles on optical design and true macro
> lenses are optimized for closeup magnifications not infinity.

Hi Jon,

Well I've been "HAD" then, it focuses to 1:1 without tubes, it is sharper and 
has better contrast than any of my "true" Pentax macro lenses (A*200f4, 
A100f.2.8 and A50f2.8) or any of the CZ Macro lenses I've owned over the years 
In fact it is visibly more crisp when viewed though a good finder. So I'm glad 
to have been "HAD" in this case and will continue to be with enthusiasm :-)

If you had checked the URLs you would have seen that the lens is constructed of 
11 lens elements, it's rear group doesn't move whilst focussing either, just 
like the A100f2.8 and the A*200f4. A fixed rear element can't recover lost 
resolution however hard it tries.

In any case my experience bears out the theory that I sited. Have you actually 
used any of these lenses?

I have an associate off list who is a keen macro shooter and has good 
experience with Pentax macro glass of various genres, he has recently purchased 
the Lanthar based on my recommendation. I'll try to find out for you if he 
feels that he's been "HAD".

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell

I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN "HAD". What you have is a long lens
with a "macro" feature, not a true macro lens. Like I said,
I've read many articles on optical design and true macro
lenses are optimized for closeup magnifications not infinity.
Enlarging lenses are all designed this way for a reason 
Also, I mentioned before that floating element (IF) designs
make it possible to optimize for both near and far distances.
maybe the lens you mention has this type of design?? But even
if it was it probably couldnt compete with a non IF designed
for macro only at it would probably have more elements to get the speed
and IF capability...
JCO
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:50 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll
> 
> 
> On 10 Sep 2002 at 20:27, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> 
> > Is the APO 125 f2.5 a true macro lens? If it is and it's performance
> > is better at infinity than close up something is dreadfully wrong.
> > If it's not a macro lens, then what you say makes sense...
> > Like I said before, non floating (non- IF) lenses have to be
> > optimized at a given reproduction ratio, they are not equal
> > performance at all subject distances. Seems a little fast to be a true
> > macro...
> 
> Yep, lens design sure has moved on since the screw mount era hey?
> 
> http://www.cosina.co.jp/sllenses/125.html
> 
> http://www.cosina.co.jp/sllenses/spec.html
> 
> And for more macro lens MTF graphs see:
> 
> http://www.zeiss.de/de/photo/home_e.nsf/3187a822cd4605b7c125670900
> 704e24/8c1f493
> d03703833c12567a80044f090/$FILE/MakroPlanar_2_8_60_e.pdf
> 
> http://www.zeiss.de/de/photo/home_e.nsf/3187a822cd4605b7c125670900
> 704e24/f27a4db
> 51c93e9efc12567a80044efea/$FILE/MakroPlanar_2_8_100_e.pdf
> 
> Lens resolution is always lost as the magnification is increased. 
> it's just the 
> law of physics. There is an optimum repro-ratio where the edge 
> aberrations are 
> lost (due to the magnification of the image circle) however the 
> resolution is 
> always reduced. Macro lenses most often seem to have better controlled 
> chromatic aberrations probably due to their relatively small 
> diameter lenses, 
> the Lanthar however is a true APO design so the f2.5 speed isn't 
> compromising.
> 
> The Lanthar kicks most lenses butts (in techo-speak :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
> 




Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?

2002-09-10 Thread Brad Dobo

Damn, I hate it when I'm wrong! :)

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: "Lukasz Kacperczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?


> Well, yes - you're wrong :)
> The Z1p uses an 8-segment metering, while the MZ-S has 6-segments.
>
> Lukasz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:47 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?
>
>
> I could be wrong, but isn't it 6-segment metering?
>
> > Doesn't the Z1p do this for the 8-segment metering via the FA lenses
>
>
>




Re: favorite portrait lens (was Re: Orgin Myths)

2002-09-10 Thread Rob Studdert

On 10 Sep 2002 at 16:19, Fred wrote:

> >> Also, I am curious as to the lighting used for #21 - #24. Were
> >> you using a reflector of some sort?
> 
> > There were clouds and the light changed - the images need to be
> > fixed. As I said, I put up all those I took and only two are
> > 'keepers' as far as I'm concerned.
> 
> OK, Don, so now I'm curious as to which two you think are the
> "keepers" - .

My guess:

130802-017.jpg and maybe 130802-009.jpg ?

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?

2002-09-10 Thread tom

Which goes to show that more isn't necessarily better.

tv


> -Original Message-
> From: Lukasz Kacperczyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:58 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?
> 
> 
> Well, yes - you're wrong :) 
> The Z1p uses an 8-segment metering, while the MZ-S has 6-segments.
> 
> Lukasz
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:47 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?
> 
> 
> I could be wrong, but isn't it 6-segment metering?
> 
> > Doesn't the Z1p do this for the 8-segment metering via 
> the FA lenses
> 
> 




RE: SEPTEMBER PUG favorites.

2002-09-10 Thread Shaun Canning

Thanks for your very kind words Bob...

Shaun Canning
PhD Student
Department of Archaeology
School of European and Historical Studies
La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086.

Phone: 0414-967644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Bob Poe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 11:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SEPTEMBER PUG favorites.


I got a chance to view this month's PUG and several
pics stood out for me:
Petr Pazour's "Skyey Wavelets" is such an
intense combination of color, movement, and the
heightened awareness of scale,  the kind of qualities
usually seen at the ocean's edge.  Well done!
Dan Matyola's "Vigeland Park".  The graphic
qualities of the sculpture work very well in contrast
to the soft depth of the masses of figures carved in
the distance. 
William Johnson's "Haircut".  Of all the
portraits I see this month, this one was the most
infectious for me.  This face is so full of spirit.
Martin Mielke's "Peggy's Cove".  I really
enjoyed watching this one download...each level
revealed a new color, a new shape, a new space.  What
I thought was going to be a cliche pic, slowly turned
into a personal experience.
Shawn Canning's "Wildoats" exhibits a strong,
simple graphic essence which I found to be as musical
as it is meditative.
Gerald Lewis's "Red Umbrella" is also a simple
but elegant statement about color and light.
Thanks to everyone who keeps the PUG alive...
Bob


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Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?

2002-09-10 Thread pz1p

z1p is 8 segment, mz-s is 6 segment
- Original Message -
From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?


> I could be wrong, but isn't it 6-segment metering?
>
> > Doesn't the Z1p do this for the 8-segment metering via the FA lenses
>
>
>
>
>






RE: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?

2002-09-10 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk

Well, yes - you're wrong :) 
The Z1p uses an 8-segment metering, while the MZ-S has 6-segments.

Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?


I could be wrong, but isn't it 6-segment metering?

> Doesn't the Z1p do this for the 8-segment metering via the FA lenses






RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Rob Studdert

On 10 Sep 2002 at 20:27, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Is the APO 125 f2.5 a true macro lens? If it is and it's performance
> is better at infinity than close up something is dreadfully wrong.
> If it's not a macro lens, then what you say makes sense...
> Like I said before, non floating (non- IF) lenses have to be
> optimized at a given reproduction ratio, they are not equal
> performance at all subject distances. Seems a little fast to be a true
> macro...

Yep, lens design sure has moved on since the screw mount era hey?

http://www.cosina.co.jp/sllenses/125.html

http://www.cosina.co.jp/sllenses/spec.html

And for more macro lens MTF graphs see:

http://www.zeiss.de/de/photo/home_e.nsf/3187a822cd4605b7c125670900704e24/8c1f493
d03703833c12567a80044f090/$FILE/MakroPlanar_2_8_60_e.pdf

http://www.zeiss.de/de/photo/home_e.nsf/3187a822cd4605b7c125670900704e24/f27a4db
51c93e9efc12567a80044efea/$FILE/MakroPlanar_2_8_100_e.pdf

Lens resolution is always lost as the magnification is increased. it's just the 
law of physics. There is an optimum repro-ratio where the edge aberrations are 
lost (due to the magnification of the image circle) however the resolution is 
always reduced. Macro lenses most often seem to have better controlled 
chromatic aberrations probably due to their relatively small diameter lenses, 
the Lanthar however is a true APO design so the f2.5 speed isn't compromising.

The Lanthar kicks most lenses butts (in techo-speak :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?

2002-09-10 Thread Brad Dobo

I could be wrong, but isn't it 6-segment metering?

> Doesn't the Z1p do this for the 8-segment metering via the FA lenses





Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Brad Dobo

Yes, my FA 100mm 1:2.8 Macro gives wonderful results at infinity.

- Original Message -
From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll


> On 10 Sep 2002 at 16:03, Fred wrote:
>
> > > A50 2.8 MACRO IS NOT A "NORMAL" LENS.
> >
> > > IT WILL NOT PERFORM AT INFINITY AS
> > > WELL AS THE OTHERS LISTED WILL. IT'S
> > > COMPROMISED AT INFINITY FOR BETTER
> > > CLOSEUP PERFORMANCE.
> >
> > I haven't found that to be true, JCO.  My A 50/2.8 seems to do quite
> > well at infinity (at least up to a 5 x 7 - 13cm x 18cm - sized
> > print, which is the biggest photo taken near infinity with the
> > 50/2.8 that I can lay my hands on here right now).
>
> I have also found that most macro lenses perform better at infinity, in
fact
> MTF diagrams for many lenses will bear this out. I have the diagrams for
some
> CZ lenses and my new APO 125f2.5 Lanthar. The lanthar MTF graphs cover
> infinity, 1m, 1:2 and 1:1 and the results are best at infinity and poorest
at
> 1:1, this stands to reason as the image circle is being enlarged as the
lens
> magnification is increased, ie it's moving further from the mount, so all
> errors are magnified.
>
> The SMCPA50f2.8 macro is a pretty nice little lens, if the FA version is
better
> as is suggested I'd be pretty impressed.
>
> My selection would be the same as Freds for lenses of "normal" AOV ie
>
> 1 SMCPA50f1.2
> 2 SMCPA50f1.4
> 3 SMCPA50f2.8 Macro
>
> However my defacto standard lens has become the SMCPFA31f1.8 Ltd :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
>




SEPTEMBER PUG favorites.

2002-09-10 Thread Bob Poe



I got a chance to view this month's PUG and several
pics stood out for me:
Petr Pazour's "Skyey Wavelets" is such an
intense combination of color, movement, and the
heightened awareness of scale,  the kind of qualities
usually seen at the ocean's edge.  Well done!
Dan Matyola's "Vigeland Park".  The graphic
qualities of the sculpture work very well in contrast
to the soft depth of the masses of figures carved in
the distance.  
William Johnson's "Haircut".  Of all the
portraits I see this month, this one was the most
infectious for me.  This face is so full of spirit.
Martin Mielke's "Peggy's Cove".  I really
enjoyed watching this one download...each level
revealed a new color, a new shape, a new space.  What
I thought was going to be a cliche pic, slowly turned
into a personal experience.
Shawn Canning's "Wildoats" exhibits a strong,
simple graphic essence which I found to be as musical
as it is meditative.
Gerald Lewis's "Red Umbrella" is also a simple
but elegant statement about color and light.
Thanks to everyone who keeps the PUG alive...
Bob


=
What boots up must come down.

__
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Which 28-to 105 To get

2002-09-10 Thread Jim Fellows

How does the new Pentax 28 to 105 f3.2-4.5 compare to the old power zoom
version?  How well does the old power zoom balance on the new ZX style
bodies?

Thanks,

Jim
- Original Message -
From: "wendy beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: ZX5-N Lens


>
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: ZX5-N Lens
> >
> > > I have to agree with Alan, though while I spend money foolishy on
camera
> > > stuff, you shouldn't!  The FA28-70mm 1:4 is a fine lens, and from all
I
> > have
> > > heard so is the FA28-105 1:3.2-4.5
>
> I'd like to agree on the FA28-105 1:3.2-4.5
> Well, if I still had it that is. I got to use it for two months, then
hubby
> swiped it and I can't see me getting that back again! Great lens
> http://www.beard-redfern.com/dogport1.html
> (1-3 and 5 were taken with the pentax, 4 and 6 in the series were taken
> with a Sigma 28-105 and what a difference!)
>
> Wendy
>
> ---
> Wendy Beard
> Ottawa, Canada
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> home page http://www.beard-redfern.com
>




RE: photokina rumors

2002-09-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein

I would say that by 12MP any advantage that film has is mostly theoretical.
One would have to have a top grade lens, tripod and fine grained film to get
a resolution advantage.
I'm not saying that the Dimage is great, but with effective optical ranges
of 28-200mm most people would be quite satisfied (look at the number of
28-200 film lenses that have been sold).


From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Yeah I'm keen to see a sample image out of the new 12MP SLR, I think at this
point the advantages of film WRT quality will become pretty marginal in
normal
light. The new Dimage is heading in the right direction however won't knock
the
E series Olys off their perch just yet as the images sensors are much
smaller.





RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell



> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll
>
>
> On 10 Sep 2002 at 16:03, Fred wrote:
>
> > > A50 2.8 MACRO IS NOT A "NORMAL" LENS.
> >
> > > IT WILL NOT PERFORM AT INFINITY AS
> > > WELL AS THE OTHERS LISTED WILL. IT'S
> > > COMPROMISED AT INFINITY FOR BETTER
> > > CLOSEUP PERFORMANCE.
> >
> > I haven't found that to be true, JCO.  My A 50/2.8 seems to do quite
> > well at infinity (at least up to a 5 x 7 - 13cm x 18cm - sized
> > print, which is the biggest photo taken near infinity with the
> > 50/2.8 that I can lay my hands on here right now).
>
> I have also found that most macro lenses perform better at
> infinity, in fact
> MTF diagrams for many lenses will bear this out. I have the
> diagrams for some
> CZ lenses and my new APO 125f2.5 Lanthar. The lanthar MTF graphs cover
> infinity, 1m, 1:2 and 1:1 and the results are best at infinity
> and poorest at
> 1:1, this stands to reason as the image circle is being enlarged
> as the lens
> magnification is increased, ie it's moving further from the mount, so all
> errors are magnified.
>
Is the APO 125 f2.5 a true macro lens? If it is and it's performance
is better at infinity than close up something is dreadfully wrong.
If it's not a macro lens, then what you say makes sense...
Like I said before, non floating (non- IF) lenses have to be
optimized at a given reproduction ratio, they are not equal
performance at all subject distances. Seems a little fast to be a true
macro...
JCO





Re: Vs: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread William Johnson


Graywolf last updated his page 9/3/02, for anyone interested.  He's had some 
adventures this summer.

William in Utah.

http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto/



11:48:51 AM, "gfen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> You guys are really depressing me with all this age talk.  Anyone else over 60?
>
>Where's Graywolf when you need him? ;)
>
>(Upon checking the page he mailed ou;when he left, there's been no update
>since late May)
>
>-- 
>http://www.infotainment.org
> "The destructive character is cheerful."  - Walter Benjamin
>
>
>






Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread William Johnson

 1.) K50/1.4 and M50/1.4  (tie)
 2.) FA50/1.4

William in Utah


9/10/2002 11:29:18 AM, "Arnold Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi everybody,
>
>please take a little time and imagine the following
>situation:
>
>1.) All your normal lenses have been stolen, and you
>have no insurance.
>2.) Your husband or wife wants to give you a new normal
>lens as a present
>3.) He/she asks you to name your favourite 3 Pentax
>K-mount normal lenses (1st, 2nd and 3rd choice),
>so that it is not too difficult for him/her to find at
>least one of the 3.
>4.) To make your spouse happy you will have to use your
>new normal lens often. And of course, you will never be
>allowed to sell the lens. Thus, your choices should
>only take into account optical and mechanical quality,
>features and joy of posession and of use. The price
>should not be considered, as your spouse just has won
>sufficient money for 100 normal lenses in a lottery.
>
>Please name your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choises:
>
>(  )  M40/f2.8
>(  )  FA43/f1.9 Limited
>(  )  K50/f1.2
>(  )  A50/f1.2
>(  )  K50/f1.4
>(  )  M50/f1.4
>(  )  A50/f1.4
>(  )  F50/f1.4
>(  )  FA50/f1.4
>(  )  M50/f1.7
>(  )  A50/f1.7
>(  )  F50/f1.7
>(  )  FA50/f1.7
>(  )  M50/f2
>(  )  A50/f2
>(  )  A50/f2.8 Macro
>(  )  F50/f2.8 Macro
>(  )  FA50/f2.8 Macro
>(  )  K50/f4 Macro
>(  )  M50/f4 Macro
>(  )  K55/f1.8
>(  )  K55/f2
>
>Have fun with this poll !!!  I will collect your
>answers for 3 days. If this poll is a success, then
>more polls like this will follow.
>
>Arnold
>
>www.arnoldstark.de
>
>
>






Re: Answered my own question (re: canon full-frame)

2002-09-10 Thread Mishka

yeah, right. to get a better flash and backward compatibility.

Mishka

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Apilado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Canon sure knows how to make their customers happy.  Makes you want to
dump
> all the Pentax stuff, doesn't it?
>
> Jim A.
>
> > From: "Ryan K. Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Canon Consumer Imaging

<...>





RE: MZ-S durability

2002-09-10 Thread John Coyle

Hi Andrea:

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:32 PM, Andrea Rocca 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Hallo everyone,
> As I am seriously considering  buying an MZS mainly because of its
> low  weight and magnesium shell - I was wondering if some current 
user
> could  clarify a few  points for me. The first is the built quality.

I'm the one who's MZ-S fell two metres onto a concrete floor and was 
unscathed!  I reckon it's pretty tough.  It's also been knocked against 
walls and doors a couple of times with no damage.


> The other point is the lack of in- body flash exposure compensation,
> which  means no compensation for the built- in flash. If the MZS is 
set to
> manual,  and exposure compensation is applyed, will this only affect 
the flash
> output?

I haven't formally tested exposure compensation, but I have had many 
spot-on exposures where I used the built-in flash as a fill-in, simply 
by setting the shutter speed to lower than the formal sync speed and 
letting the aperture fall where it will.

>This is how my Olympus OM3 Ti works, and would be fine for me.
> Or, if not,   does the built-in flash provide some sort of automatic
> fill-in in one of the modes, and if so is if effective?

See above, and there are no "modes" on the MZ-S other than program.

>Also is there any way of setting the built in flash to second curtain 
sync?

No

> I hope this is not too much, and thank you very much in advance.
>
You're welcome

> Andrea Rocca
> London, UK
>
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia





Re: Answered my own question (re: canon full-frame)

2002-09-10 Thread Jim Apilado

Canon sure knows how to make their customers happy.  Makes you want to dump
all the Pentax stuff, doesn't it?

Jim A.

> From: "Ryan K. Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:05:59 -0500
> To: pentax-discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Answered my own question (re: canon full-frame)
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:03:16 -0400
> 
> Canon Consumer Imaging
> 
> Photokina marks the 15-year anniversary of EOS as a brand. Canon is
> announcing two new EOS models at the show - the world's highest
> resolution Pro-camera, the EOS 1Ds and the EOS 300V, which is predicted
> to become the world¹s number 1 selling SLR camera.
> 
> The EOS-1Ds features the first ever full frame 35mm CMOS sensor with
> 11.1 million effective pixels. The EOS-1Ds capture astounding detail &
> colour, almost doubling the resolution ordinarily considered state of
> the art for a digital SLR camera in the world today.*
> 
> Also new this year are three digital still cameras, all featuring the
> new high performance DIGital Imaging Core (DIGIC) processor. One of the
> trio, the Digital IXUS v3, is claiming the position as the world¹s
> smallest 3.2 Megapixel digital camera with optical zoom and LCD monitor.*
> 
> Along with the new additions to the camera line up, Canon is announcing
> Canon Imaging Gateway (CIG), a digital imaging web site, which Canon
> Europe sees as the vital missing link in Customer Relationship
> Management (CRM) by creating a one-on-one communication channel to
> consumer users.
> 
> The online solution will allow users to download updates for their
> digital cameras, in much the same way that mobile phone users download
> personalised ring-tones. CIG also offers other services online, such as
> photo albums, photo-printing.
> 
> 
> 




Re: MZ-S durability

2002-09-10 Thread Kevin Waterson

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:31:45 +0100
Andrea Rocca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 My main body took a small bump on a stone wall as I
> was running (this wasn't a major impact, just a clip) last year in India:
> the top LCD display's  plastic cover flew off and the mirror locked up.
> How much better is the MZS built?
I rummaged throught th archives and found this mail.
http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg49602.html
This is the crux of it...

So, there I was photographing Moon rise over the ocean
and decided to move to a better vantage point as the moon
got higher in the sky. I had the MZ-S on a Manfrotto tripod
and moved it onto the concrete drive, but I had failed to
properly extend one of the legs properly. I took a step back
and was talking with a friend when they excalaimed
"THE CAMERA"!! I turned just in time to see it topple
and hit the concrete with a sickening thud... Immediatly
my heart rate trebled, I rush to my fallen comrad and
began inspection. Apart from a few scratches near the
handle, everything seems to fine, all functions still appear
to work OK.
The height that it fell from was approximatly 6 feet (2 meters).
After shaking off the last waves of relief, I was able to reflect
on the robust build of the unit. I am sure it will gain more
battle scars in its journey, but, I wonder if these units were
designed to last forever  ;)


According to the achives that was # Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 
The camera still works fine I put through about 4 rolls 
per week and it has not missed a beat.

It has taken several other 'bumps' since then but still
it continues to keep on keeping on.

Kind regards
Kevin

-- 
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See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Kevin Waterson
Byron Bay, Australia




Re: Data Imprinting - Roll Number

2002-09-10 Thread Stan Halpin

Look really really carefully. With a loupe. If you know what you are looking
for you can probably see it without a loupe but you wouldn't be able to read
it anyway.
If it is not there, maybe you have the function turned off? I think the
default setting is on, but believe you can (accidentally?) turn it off.

stan

> From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:58:24 -0400
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Data Imprinting - Roll Number
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:01:39 -0400
> 
> Where is the roll number on the negative's when using the MZ-S
> imprinting feature?  I can't seem to find it.
> 
> 
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450
> (540) 458-8873
> FAX: (540) 458-8878
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 




Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?

2002-09-10 Thread Cliff Nietvelt

"It is so. Eg. the MZ-S use distance information provided by the lens for AF 
while the Z-1p does not."

Doesn't the Z1p do this for the 8-segment metering via the FA lenses






>From: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:30 +0200
>
>Bojidar wrote:
>
> >   It easy to imagine that all lenses send very detailed information
> > about distance, aperture, size, etc. and the MZ-S is the first body to
> > decode all of it.
>
>It is so. Eg. the MZ-S use distance information provided by the lens for AF 
>while the Z-1p does not.
>
>
>Pål




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Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Rob Studdert

On 10 Sep 2002 at 16:03, Fred wrote:

> > A50 2.8 MACRO IS NOT A "NORMAL" LENS.
> 
> > IT WILL NOT PERFORM AT INFINITY AS
> > WELL AS THE OTHERS LISTED WILL. IT'S
> > COMPROMISED AT INFINITY FOR BETTER
> > CLOSEUP PERFORMANCE.
> 
> I haven't found that to be true, JCO.  My A 50/2.8 seems to do quite
> well at infinity (at least up to a 5 x 7 - 13cm x 18cm - sized
> print, which is the biggest photo taken near infinity with the
> 50/2.8 that I can lay my hands on here right now).

I have also found that most macro lenses perform better at infinity, in fact 
MTF diagrams for many lenses will bear this out. I have the diagrams for some 
CZ lenses and my new APO 125f2.5 Lanthar. The lanthar MTF graphs cover 
infinity, 1m, 1:2 and 1:1 and the results are best at infinity and poorest at 
1:1, this stands to reason as the image circle is being enlarged as the lens 
magnification is increased, ie it's moving further from the mount, so all 
errors are magnified.

The SMCPA50f2.8 macro is a pretty nice little lens, if the FA version is better 
as is suggested I'd be pretty impressed.

My selection would be the same as Freds for lenses of "normal" AOV ie

1 SMCPA50f1.2
2 SMCPA50f1.4
3 SMCPA50f2.8 Macro

However my defacto standard lens has become the SMCPFA31f1.8 Ltd :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




RE: photokina rumors

2002-09-10 Thread Rob Studdert

On 10 Sep 2002 at 14:48, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote:

> Not a rumor. Canon Europe put the press release (dated 9/24/02) on their web
> site early, and pulled it very soon afterwards. The text from the announcement
> is in a photo.net thread. My take on the high end digital is that
> interchangeable lens DSLRs will be aimed at pros and come in Canon or Nikon
> mounts (no I didn't forget Contax). The rest will be fixed lens cameras like the
> Olympus E-20. Ya'll see the newest Minolta Dimage 7Hi (?) with an optical zoom
> equivalent to 28-200mm? 

Yeah I'm keen to see a sample image out of the new 12MP SLR, I think at this 
point the advantages of film WRT quality will become pretty marginal in normal 
light. The new Dimage is heading in the right direction however won't knock the 
E series Olys off their perch just yet as the images sensors are much smaller.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




Re: Who are you?

2002-09-10 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.

Three primary photographic activities: a) forensic engineering  -- accounts for
80 to 90 per cent of my photos where clear sharp images are quite important, b)
record of my travels,  c) record the family history/evolution, so to speak.   No
attempt at the art, but enjoy continually working on my skills.

Otis Wright

Glen O'Neal wrote:

> Okay, I am not new to the PDML; just came back around after a time away. I
> have found the discussion lively, interesting, sometimes offensive, but
> always challenging and informative. I have learned things here I would never
> have learned elsewhere so easily and completely. My questions are answered
> by knowledgeable and experienced photographers who care whether I have the
> information I need to achieve my photographic objectives. My hat is off to
> all of you for putting in your two cents worth.
>
> I want to have a chance to get to know just a little more about those of you
> whose names I see day in and day out as I read your emails and hear your
> thoughts and opinions. I have seen your images and knowing the emotional and
> artistic side of photography I know that each of you has shared a piece of
> yourself in sharing your art. I would like to ask something and please try
> ever so much to leave humility aside for a brief moment and talk about your
> current vocation and your involvement in photography. Are you a photographer
> by trade or do you have another vocation and what kind of photography are
> you into and why? Perhaps mention where you live.
>
> I will (of course) begin for everyone. I am a software systems engineer by
> trade for a software firm in New Jersey. But I live just outside of Kansas
> City, Missouri. Photography has been a long time hobby of mine as with most
> of us. I have shot pictures for a local newspaper in Florida, a women's
> magazine, and three wedding photographers. I am currently working part-time
> as a wedding photographer here in this area and hope to go full time with
> the new career within a year. I know some don't think much of wedding
> photographers (like shooting fish in a bowl I've heard), but I love
> capturing emotion on film and making other people happy with the images I
> produce. I shoot mostly photojournalistic wedding coverage and love other
> kinds of photography as well to broaden my horizons and stretch my artistic
> wings.
>
> So now everyone, please, tell me about you.!
>
> Glen O'Neal
>
> profiles.yahoo.com/glen_oneal




Re: Pentax flashes / changing platforms

2002-09-10 Thread Rob Studdert

On 10 Sep 2002 at 14:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> So I do think I have some valid reasons to consider switching to EOS.  And it's
> not because Canon is "cooler"; it's because the Canon system seems to be a
> better tool for me.

Pentax gear is generally excellent for use in available light, you need to use 
flash with the Canon glass to counter the poor contrast :-)

Jump before you get too encumbered otherwise you may become bitter and twisted.

Good luck,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Doug Franklin

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:26:48 -0400, tom wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > FA* 200/2.8
> 
> I'm not a huge tele guy, but this might be the best-built non-limited
> lens Pentax makes. [...] It's no slouch optically either.

I've shot a few rolls with it, but I haven't had any of them developed
yet, so I don't know how well they came out.  It does handle and work
beautifully with the MZ-S with BG-10 attached ... without the grip it
still works beautifully, but the combination is a little nose heavy.

Gotta love those KEH "bargain" grade deals. :-)  The one I got was
"bgn" with no caps, case, or hood.  They had the next grade higher with
hood and caps for $100 more.  I just ordered the hood and rear cap from
other pages for a total of less than $50. :-)

BTW: 200 is just barely telephoto for me ... you're not even
approaching huge until you get to 400mm ... then throw a couple of 2X-S
t/c's behind it!  If it wasn't the price of a Spec Miata for the track,
I'd buy an FA* 400/2.8 and/or an FA* 600/4 in a heartbeat.  I'm gonna
buy the Miata first, though. :-)

BTW2: If anybody knows where I can get a cap for the FA* 200/2.8 (77mm
FA series) I'd sure like to hear about it.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread tom

> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>
> Not so much my favorites as the ones I'd want first:
>
> FA* 200/2.8

I'm not a huge tele guy, but this might be the best-built non-limited
lens Pentax makes.

It's no slouch optically either.

tv




Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Steve Larson

1) SMC PENTAX 1:1.2/50
2) SMC PENTAX-A 1:1.4 50mm
3) SMC PENTAX 1:1.4/50

2 and 3 are tied, depends on what I`m shooting.  If there 
was only one normal I could have, it would be a Super-Multi-Coated 
Takumar 50/1.4

Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
 





Re: Web site update

2002-09-10 Thread Cotty

>Just selected 5 hours to fit the "Pine Roots" image.

LOL.

'Norwegians Trek for Hours Hours to Discover Their Pine Roots'

- Oslo Chronicle

BTW, had a look at the site. It's really coming on leaps and bounds. Your 
landscapes are considered and fabulous. I wish I could shoot like that! 
Really.

I see the high pressure you've been hogging for a while is drifting this 
way to warm us all up here in Britcom :-)

Better rev up the old BBQ again - I thought winter had set in already.

Oops, midnight. Better check out the back of the old eyelids or there'll 
be hell to pay tomorrow.

TTFN

Cot


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RE: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread tom

> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> 
> Heh, I'm only 21! 
 
> - chris (youngest PDML'er so far?

Cesar is only 16, I think. 

tv





Re: Pentax flashes / changing platforms

2002-09-10 Thread Chris Brogden

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Christopher Lillja wrote:

> Read "When a 'USM" motor is not a 'USM' motor on Photo.net...

Do you have a link?  I couldn't find it.

chris




Re: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Brad Dobo

Will he be posting to the board? :)

Brad Dobo
- Original Message - 
From: "Treena Harp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Orgin Myths


> Not for long. :) My 10-year-old son's getting a Pentax for Christmas ...
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Orgin Myths
> 
> 
> > I think I'm the youngest pdmler with 23 years old.
> > 
> > Albano Kid
> > 
> 




Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?

2002-09-10 Thread Pål Jensen

Bojidar wrote:

> BTW, to me, the idea of an IS-USM teleconverter sounds like a
> technologically-sound one.  Such a device could be built, and I don't
> see a better-suited company for that than Pentax.  It could even take
> manual-focus lenses.  !!!


I'm not so sure this product is viable. It depends if the abberations created by the 
moving elements are determined by those elements alone or by the combination of glass 
in the lens. If the latter, it will be virtually impossible to design an IS converter 
with adequate correction elements that fit "all" lenses. At least without significant 
deterioration of optical quality. I fear, but is not sure, that IS has to be taylored 
for a particular lens. 

Anyway, the patents related to the KAFIII mount that mention converters are not 
dealing with IS converters but ordinarily converters. These maintan AF and tell the 
camera the corrected aperture of the lens and that a converter is mounted. 

Pål





Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?

2002-09-10 Thread Pål Jensen


- Original Message - 
From: "MPozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?


> Hi,
> I noticed that noise too...I attributed to 2 possible
> causes, 
> 1-the batteries in their compartment
> 2-the metal rod on the Grip (BG-10) where you fasten
> the strap to...(I seem to hear it mainly with the grip
> on).



It is neither. I don't have the grip amd it's not the batteries. I believe it's for 
determining the cameras orientation to help matrix metering. 
Besides, according to the newer patents the vibration sensors for image stabilization 
is now located in the lenses.

Pål




Re: New Pentax patents

2002-09-10 Thread Pål Jensen

Mike wrote:

> It is interesting that X & Y image shake motors are mentioned. 
> I understand from reviews I have read that "other brands" only
> compensate in one axis.
> 
> Correct?


No. Both horizontal and vertical movements.

Pål





Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?

2002-09-10 Thread Pål Jensen

Bojidar wrote:

>   It easy to imagine that all lenses send very detailed information
> about distance, aperture, size, etc. and the MZ-S is the first body to
> decode all of it.  

It is so. Eg. the MZ-S use distance information provided by the lens for AF while the 
Z-1p does not.


Pål




Re: Vs: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread andre

>Yes, but by how much? I used the 4/100 SMC-M macro as a short 
>telephoto for years and noticed no ill effects.
>All the best!
>Raimo

I've never used any 50/4 at infinity, but I've also seen that the 
100/4 does perform nicely at infinity.

Andre

>  >A50 2.8 MACRO IS NOT A "NORMAL" LENS.
>>
>>IT WILL NOT PERFORM AT INFINITY AS
>>WELL AS THE OTHERS LISTED WILL. IT'S
>>COMPROMISED AT INFINITY FOR BETTER
>>CLOSEUP PERFORMANCE.
>>
>  >JCO

-- 




RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell

up until IF lens designs came out all
lenses were optimized for a given
reproduction ratio. This was usually
near infinity as most photos were taken that way.
As you focus these lenses closer, the
performance drops. That why many early
lenses dont focus very close as it was
the MFGRs way of keeping the performance
high even though they could have easily
designed the barrel to focus closer.

Most MACRO lenses are optimized for 1:10
or greater repro rations and thus arent
as good at infinity as their regular lenses are.

Once floating element IF designs started it
was possible for the first time to have
ideal performance at any distance. Most, if
not all the Pentax dedicated macro lenses are not
IF designs however
JCO

> -Original Message-
> From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll
> 
> 
> > A50 2.8 MACRO IS NOT A "NORMAL" LENS.
> 
> > IT WILL NOT PERFORM AT INFINITY AS
> > WELL AS THE OTHERS LISTED WILL. IT'S
> > COMPROMISED AT INFINITY FOR BETTER
> > CLOSEUP PERFORMANCE.
> 
> I haven't found that to be true, JCO.  My A 50/2.8 seems to do quite
> well at infinity (at least up to a 5 x 7 - 13cm x 18cm - sized
> print, which is the biggest photo taken near infinity with the
> 50/2.8 that I can lay my hands on here right now).
> 
> I do know that older macro lenses may have favored macro over
> infinity, but I have not myself noticed this with the A 50/2.8, F
> 50/2.8, A 100/4, A 100/2.8, or A* 200/4 macros, all of which I have
> (or my wife has) used at one time or another at or near infinity.
> 
> (Note that I am not saying this is not true, JCO - I am merely
> saying that I have never noticed it.)
> 
> Since I often pack the A 50/2.8 Macro (since it's so nice and
> compact, even though I prefer the bulkier A 100/2.8 Macro when I
> know I am going to do some macro shooting), and sometimes do have to
> press it into service as "the only 50mm lens in the bag", I will
> have to look more carefully at infinity focus images taken with it -
> as I've said, though, I haven't noticed any "crummy" shots yet
> (judging for sharpness, not for composition - ).
> 
> Fred
> 
> 




50/4 K or M (was: Favourite K mount normal...)

2002-09-10 Thread andre

>  > 1st choice - 50mm f1.4 SMC-M
>>  2nd choice - 40mm f2.8 SMC-M
>>  3rd choice - 50mm f4 SMC-M macro
>
>>  K50 f/1.4
>>  M50 f/1.4
>>  K50 f/4.0 Macro
>
>A couple of you chose the M 50/4 Macro, rather than the A 50/2.8
>Macro.  I'm curious as to the reason(s).  Build quality, perhaps?
>(I would have to admit that the f/4 is just a tad nicer in build and
>in feel.)

Still... I've had two M 50/4 macro and one of them was a bit "loose". 
It is a very light lens.  The original K-series 50/4 weights a lot 
more and feels very sturdy (like all K-series lenses). If you compare 
the weight of "same" K and M lenses, the M 50/4 is the one that 
benefited the most from going to an M construction (in terms of 
weight).  The price (in yen, from a japanese site) of the K lens was 
also much higher than the M lens price.  The M lens is, of course, a 
perfect hiking macro ; the K lens with its much longer barrel is an 
easier to handle studio macro, especially with a ring flash on it.

I've never used any 50/4 at infinity, but the 100/4 does perform 
nicely at infinity.

Andre
-- 




Vs: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Raimo Korhonen

Yes, but by how much? I used the 4/100 SMC-M macro as a short telephoto for years and 
noticed no ill effects.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

-Alkuperäinen viesti-
Lähettäjä: J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Päivä: 10. syyskuuta 2002 20:40
Aihe: RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll


>A50 2.8 MACRO IS NOT A "NORMAL" LENS.
>
>IT WILL NOT PERFORM AT INFINITY AS
>WELL AS THE OTHERS LISTED WILL. IT'S
>COMPROMISED AT INFINITY FOR BETTER
>CLOSEUP PERFORMANCE.
>
>JCO
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chris Brogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:44 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1. K50/1.2
>> 2. K50/1.4
>> 3. A50/2.8 macro
>> 
>> 
>> chris
>> 
>




Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Camdir

1. 50mm F2.8 A macro
2. 50mm F4 M Macro 
3. 50mm F1.2A - just think of all the differential focus (drool)

Peter




Re: Orgin Myths -- The Finale? :)

2002-09-10 Thread gfen

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Peter Alling wrote:
> But she manages a Ritz.  You should get some satisfaction from remembering that
> now that you've broken up.

She's a nice girl, I don't wish that much torture on her, or any
soul..Besides, she introduced me to the Fuji Frontier, so its not all bad.

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Re: Who are you?

2002-09-10 Thread gfen

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Peter Alling wrote:
> So how tall are you,  just wondering based on you shoe size
> Of course last time I asked a question based on a pair of shoes in this forum
> I got way too much information back.

A mere 6'3"... I think that qualifies me for the Brotherhood, though. ;)

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Candid portraits

2002-09-10 Thread gfen


So, I've got to play photog at an upcoming wedding reception (they already
know they get what they pay for), and while I'm not willing to buy lots of
new gear for something like this, it IS an opporunity to slip something
past the lady who controls the purse strings...

I was originally going to do the bulk of it via an A50/1.4 and the
AF35-70/2.8 (the softer aspects that this lens is reputed to have was a
nice plus), but I'm now considering something in a longer range, if
possible.

Would one of the 135 in either 2.5 or 3.5 be acceptable? I'm limited to
used, but I see some of those come up in the used section of B&H or
Adorama a few times, and I'm now considering either. So, does the general
population think a good plan, or stick with what I know?

Oh, and as I said, I'm supposed to just do candids, and since I have no
flash (and couldn't use one correctly if I did), I figured I'd stick to
available light, and big fstops for small DOF. However, I'm starting to
figure that perhaps 70mm might not be long enough... My only other lens is
a cheap Quantaray 70-300 (which would be f4 up to abou;t 100mm or so).

Obviously, a fast (and cheap!) lens is what I'm looking for.

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Re: Who are you?

2002-09-10 Thread Peter Alling

So how tall are you,  just wondering based on you shoe size
Of course last time I asked a question based on a pair of shoes in this forum
I got way too much information back.

At 12:57 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Glen O'Neal wrote:
> > yourself in sharing your art. I would like to ask something and please try
> > ever so much to leave humility aside for a brief moment and talk about your
>
>I'm not sure if I'm ever humble... ;)
>
> > current vocation and your involvement in photography. Are you a 
> photographer
> > by trade or do you have another vocation and what kind of photography are
> > you into and why? Perhaps mention where you live.
>
>I'm a sysadmin for an ISP in Pennsylvania which shall remain nameless. I
>curse my job and my managment every chance I get, and I regret having to
>show up every morning.. I'm not a professional photographer, and I've
>sworn I never will be (I used to love working with computers, until it
>became my job: I'll never ruin another hobby again). I actually live in
>Bethlehem, PA, which is next to Allentown (who's name has been
>immortalized in that rather poor Billy Joel song, and the song itself is
>actually about Bethlehem).
>
>Photography is clearly my form of escape, and while I'm not very good, I
>think sometimes I get something pretty darned right. I've also noticed
>that with each day, my photography gets a little more basic, with the
>cameras becoming stripped down more and more (I now love my 4x5 pacemaker,
>and use it at every possible chance, and adore the complete lack of
>automation it comes with!).
>
>When it comes to the photos themselves, I've noticed that almost
>everything I feel comes out best seems to evoke loneliness or some other
>similar emotion. I'm OK with that. I love taking photos of people, but I'm
>never, ever, happy with my results. I also wish I had some sweeping
>landscapes here in PA, but that's not really happening either.
>
>I'd really like to put the darkroom together, but its on hold with lack of
>equipment and even if it gets here, I'll never have the drive to do the
>physical labour to ready the space.
>
>So, in the last few days I've posted how I got started in photography,
>with Pentax, and who I am? What's left?
>
>Oh, my shoe size is 14. That's it! Now you know EVERYTHING! :)
>
>(seriously, if anyone really cares about me, my ego-driven website is
>below, and has a fascinating FAQ all about me!)
>
>(well, I think its fascinating)
>
>(but then, I wrote it)
>
>(about me)
>
>(so its bound to fascinate me)
>
>(still reading?)
>
>(i'm hungry)
>
>(brought no lunch)
>
>(sigh...)
>
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RE: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread wendy beard

JCO WROTE:

>A50 2.8 MACRO IS NOT A "NORMAL" LENS.
>
>IT WILL NOT PERFORM AT INFINITY AS
>WELL AS THE OTHERS LISTED WILL. IT'S
>COMPROMISED AT INFINITY FOR BETTER
>CLOSEUP PERFORMANCE.
>
>JCO

sh! 
some of us are trying to sleep here...

wendy beard
ottawa, canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com




Re: favorite portrait lens (was Re: Orgin Myths)

2002-09-10 Thread Fred

>> Also, I am curious as to the lighting used for #21 - #24. Were
>> you using a reflector of some sort?

> There were clouds and the light changed - the images need to be
> fixed. As I said, I put up all those I took and only two are
> 'keepers' as far as I'm concerned.

OK, Don, so now I'm curious as to which two you think are the
"keepers" - .

> I find it very hard to do groups - very hard indeed. I don't have
> a forceful enough approach perhaps. As I said to Raimo - when he
> was here a few weeks ago - I can do portraits and I can do macros,
> but I'll be damned if I can do groups.

I also do better with both portraits and macros (and I've used
100-ish macro lenses for portraits on many occasions - ).  I just
don't usually ~care~ to do groups.  Maybe it is also because "I
don't have a forceful enough approach", at least to attempt to
arrange "forced" group shots.  (And group candids just don't do much
for me, as a general rule.)  However, I simply usually do not wish
to intrude on any group having a good time, to get the subjects to
stop having a good time, in order that I can get some photos of some
people that were having fun right up until I interrupted them - .

Fred





Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Fred

> A50 2.8 MACRO IS NOT A "NORMAL" LENS.

> IT WILL NOT PERFORM AT INFINITY AS
> WELL AS THE OTHERS LISTED WILL. IT'S
> COMPROMISED AT INFINITY FOR BETTER
> CLOSEUP PERFORMANCE.

I haven't found that to be true, JCO.  My A 50/2.8 seems to do quite
well at infinity (at least up to a 5 x 7 - 13cm x 18cm - sized
print, which is the biggest photo taken near infinity with the
50/2.8 that I can lay my hands on here right now).

I do know that older macro lenses may have favored macro over
infinity, but I have not myself noticed this with the A 50/2.8, F
50/2.8, A 100/4, A 100/2.8, or A* 200/4 macros, all of which I have
(or my wife has) used at one time or another at or near infinity.

(Note that I am not saying this is not true, JCO - I am merely
saying that I have never noticed it.)

Since I often pack the A 50/2.8 Macro (since it's so nice and
compact, even though I prefer the bulkier A 100/2.8 Macro when I
know I am going to do some macro shooting), and sometimes do have to
press it into service as "the only 50mm lens in the bag", I will
have to look more carefully at infinity focus images taken with it -
as I've said, though, I haven't noticed any "crummy" shots yet
(judging for sharpness, not for composition - ).

Fred





Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Fred

> 1st choice - 50mm f1.4 SMC-M
> 2nd choice - 40mm f2.8 SMC-M
> 3rd choice - 50mm f4 SMC-M macro

> K50 f/1.4
> M50 f/1.4
> K50 f/4.0 Macro

A couple of you chose the M 50/4 Macro, rather than the A 50/2.8
Macro.  I'm curious as to the reason(s).  Build quality, perhaps?
(I would have to admit that the f/4 is just a tad nicer in build and
in feel.)

I've owned both (and still own the f/2.8), and I have found them to
be very similar optically (except, of course, the difference in
speed), at least at close distances (I'm not sure if I've ever used
the f/4 at or close to infinity).

Fred





Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread wendy beard

Not quite sure of the order, after all, I don't know which bodies have been stolen..

1 FA 43mm f1.9
2 M 40mm f2.8
3 M 50mm f1.7


wendy beard
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http://www.beard-redfern.com




Re: Origin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Peter Alling

Those guy's were pirates.
On the bright side the winder motor on the Z70 was strong at least.

At 10:31 AM 9/10/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >From: Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Origin Myths
>
> >Why did you just look at the bottom of the line Pentax AF gear, those
> >bodies are the _only_ one's that
> >you couldn't use all, (well at least all of the genuine Pentax), of your
> >old lenses on. Just a question
> >not a criticism really.
>
>Unfortunately, bottom of the line Pentax gear is all some shops seem to 
>stock. I like the idea of being able to go into a shop and have the 
>immediate pleasure of making a purchase and coming out clutching shopping 
>bags (sad, eh).
>There's a much longer tale behind all this - ready for it?
>
>I actually bought the MZ-50 because the assistant had said that I could 
>use my lenses on it. Naturally I tried them all out straight away and 
>found out otherwise. Went back to shop, other assistant says "oops, sorry 
>made a mistake assistant #1 should have known better". Tell you what, 
>we've a lovely used Z-70 here, it should do everything you want and more. 
>I wandered off clutching more new goodies.
>Fast Forward to France where I went off to work for 6 weeks soon after. 
>First roll of film, eager to get developed, went into a photoprocessing 
>shop and dropped off canister. One hour later, went back. "eeuuuh, there 
>is a problem" says the  assistant. Shows me empty film canister. Flip open 
>back of camera - oops film's been pulled right out of cannister. Take 
>camera out back, salvage film, process, happy again.
>Some more weeks later, now in England for godson's first holy communion. 
>Take some photos, same thing happens. Film pulled right out of canister. 
>Swear a lot, take camera back to shop. SHop happy to send off for repair.
>Parting shot to shop "I don't suppose you have any second hand 500mm 
>lenses do you?"
>Wrong question.
>"no - wait, yes a minolta AF 500mm mirror"
>"but I have Pentax"
>"No worries, we'll just swap this Z70 for a 700i and we'll swap your zoom 
>for a new one in a different mount and I'll throw in a little minolta 
>flash gun "
>"err, okay"
>So that's salesmanship.
>(you did ask)
>
>wendy beard
>ottawa, canada
>http://www.beard-redfern.com




Re: Vs: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Conrad Samuels

"Daniel J. Matyola" wrote:
>
>> You guys are really depressing me with all this age talk.  Anyone else over 60?
>>
>> I still have two cameras older than I am, a Leica and a Speed Graphic!
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> --
>> Daniel J. Matyola  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Stanley, Powers & Matyola  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East  http://geocities.com/dmatyola/
>> Bridgewater, NJ 08807  (908)725-3322  fax: (908)707-0399
>
>

Well I had a Crown Graphic outfit which I sold much to my eternal regret now.  My 
three Series 3a 
Leices I sold because for me at any rate they were not as versatile as the S1a I 
acquired.  I still 
use two Spotmatics but I must also be honest and say my Nikon F (see-  everything is 
so old-  what 
hope has Pentax of selling me anything new hey?) is a much nicer camera to use.

Oh yes,  I'll be sixty in a few months time.  Tempus Fugit they say.


Conrad Samuels
Kirstenhof SA 





Re: Orgin Myths -- The Finale? :)

2002-09-10 Thread Peter Alling

But she manages a Ritz.  You should get some satisfaction from remembering that
now that you've broken up.

At 01:21 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Steve Desjardins wrote:
> > fun, of course, is when you know someone that uses N* or C* for
> > prestige reasons and you refuse to acknowledge their obvious
> > superiority.
>
>HAH! Try dating that someone, and then putting her to work managing a Ritz
>camera...
>
>You quickly learn to not bring up photography
>
>(thankfully, the new girl only owns a PnS, and doesn't even use that!)
>
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>  "The destructive character is cheerful."  - Walter Benjamin




Re: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Peter Alling

Well not any more...

At 08:30 AM 9/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Brad Dobo wrote:
>
> > By the way, I seem to be really young here :)  Everyone is talking
> > about Pentax cameras I never heard nor seen.  I'm 27, anyone here
> > around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :)
>
>Just turned 26 a couple months ago, so I'm not the youngest.  OTOH, my
>current g/f just turned 20 at about the same time, so I'd be scared if too
>many people had a younger one.  ;)
>
>chris




RE: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Alan Chan

>Are you saying that you started using the ME Super when you were a
>1-year-old? :)

Sounds like a caring father who managed to find an excuse to buy himself a 
Pentax (of course it's a gift for his loving 1-year-old child).  :)

regards,
Alan Chan


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RE: New Pentax patents

2002-09-10 Thread Alan Chan

>"Well, the MZ-S makes a noise when shaking it. It sounds like
>a small metal ball that moves when shaking the camera. It's
>located somewhere in the prism according to my ears.
>Interestingly, according to the Pentax Image stabilization
>patent, the camera, not the lenses, have vibration sensors.
>Could this be what makes a noise when shaking the camera?
>Most likely it's something entirely different, though; maybe
>its just a sensor for determining whether the camera is held
>vertically of horizontally used for metering.
>I believe my former MZ-S also had the same "noise".

I think the Canon EOS5 employed the same technology to identify vertical and 
horizontal orientation. Or was it EOS10?

regards,
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Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Jostein


- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> (  )  M40/f2.8
> ( 2 )  FA43/f1.9 Limited
> (  )  K50/f1.2
> (  )  A50/f1.2
> (  )  K50/f1.4
> (  )  M50/f1.4
> (  )  A50/f1.4
> (  )  F50/f1.4
> ( 1 )  FA50/f1.4
> (  )  M50/f1.7
> (  )  A50/f1.7
> (  )  F50/f1.7
> ( 3 )  FA50/f1.7
> (  )  M50/f2
> (  )  A50/f2
> (  )  A50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  F50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  FA50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  K50/f4 Macro
> (  )  M50/f4 Macro
> (  )  K55/f1.8
> (  )  K55/f2
> 




RE: MZ-S durability

2002-09-10 Thread Alan Chan

>It is definitely better built than the Z1P, although it has not been
>around long enough to judge if it is more reliable long term.  As for
>plastic LCD covers, and perhaps switches being 'snapped' off, I suspect
>if you catch any camera at the wrong angle this could happen.  Several
>list members have posted about dropping theirs from as much as 6ft onto
>solid floors and they are unmarked.  I think Pål often compares the
>build to the F100.

I believe lighter bodies are likely to suffer less impact damage.

>I know the feeling, when my old Sigma flash keep cycling through the
>zoom range (non-stop back and forward) while mounted on the MZ-S, I
>wanted to test another flash on it - the shopkeeper was not keen to let
>me do this!

I guess the AF360FGZ is the only choice at the moment with MZ-S.

regards,
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Re[3]: photokina rumors

2002-09-10 Thread Mike Ignatiev

I can't believe I wrote this... of course I meant 50MP at... probably the same measly 
$50K 

-Original Message-
From: "Mike Ignatiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:25:25 +0400
Subject: Re[2]: photokina rumors

> 
> If true, that's one hell of a way to boost the resolution. Especially if it scales 
>up for larger sizes (just imagine:
> 144MP full frame sensor for 6x6 Hassy for mere $50K...)
> 
> Best,
> Mishka





RE: Re[2]: photokina rumors

2002-09-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Nevermind ! :)

There's rumor of a digital back that's actually affordable for the Blad..
apparently with that Foveon sensor.

Now.. that being said;
I have yet to see anything CONSUMER related produced by Foveon that's
available NOW.  Earlier we saw the Sigma D9 - everyone's still waiting on
this one... and before that the big bruhaha about the 16mp sensor.. still
haven't seen diddly on that either.
I always take Foveon announcements with a grain of salt the size of a small
boulder.  So I'm not holding my breath on that one.

And as for the Minolta.. the zoom range is no big deal on the 7Hi.. it's
been around since the Dimage 7.

Cheers,
Dave


Original Message:
-
From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:25:25 +0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: photokina rumors


If true, that's one hell of a way to boost the resolution. Especially if it
scales up for larger sizes (just imagine:
144MP full frame sensor for 6x6 Hassy for mere $50K...)

Best,
Mishka






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Re: favorite portrait lens (was Re: Orgin Myths)

2002-09-10 Thread Alan Chan

Although not taken by any 135mm, I have uploaded some pictures taken by the 
FA77/1.8. All without filter or flash, just available light on Sensia 100.

http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/

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Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Steve Desjardins

FA 50 1.4
FA 43 1.8 limited (I image I'd like it.  I don't actually have one).
M40 2.8


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Re: Vs: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread gfen

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> Fenstermacher has a Graphic as well & I have a Busch Pressman
> (along-side my MX and ZX-M). But, alas, I'm only 46.

Y'know, not under my wildest dreams could I spell Brendemuehl without an
aid!

In other news, I'm hoping to sell my ZX-50 and a pair of lenses to fund
the ZX-M or KX any day now. Yay!


g.

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Re: Vs: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.

Yup.

Otis Wright

"Daniel J. Matyola" wrote:

> You guys are really depressing me with all this age talk.  Anyone else over 60?
>
> I still have two cameras older than I am, a Leica and a Speed Graphic!
>
> Dan
>
> > > >I think I'm the youngest pdmler with 23 years old.
> > > >But I know all the cameras commented here, and in fact I use a ME Super,
> > > >from 1980, and used a lot of seventies gear, and also own an old Pentax 6x7
> > > >and a 1958 Rolleiflex. I like old equipment, superb, built to last and
> > > >that's a tactile pleasure, and affordable.
> > > >Albano Kid
>
> --
> Daniel J. Matyola  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Stanley, Powers & Matyola  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East  http://geocities.com/dmatyola/
> Bridgewater, NJ 08807  (908)725-3322  fax: (908)707-0399




Cheap pentax telezooms, any comment?

2002-09-10 Thread Rodelion

Goodday,

Since I don't have a telezoom, besides my MF Tokina SD 70-210 f4-5.6, which
I don't really like because it's very soft, I'm looking for something
different, with autofocus, for little money. I've encountered various
lenses, but at the moment I would settle with a range of up to about 200mm.
I would generally want to use it indoors, with flash, for snapshot
portraitures and animals, and outside, also for snapshot portraiture and
maybe some skyshooting and even more beasties.

On photodo the SMC F 70-210mm f4-5.6 has an awesome score of 3.5, and my
question is, is it indeed a nice lens, or should I look out for something
else? I'm able to get one for between $70 and $100.

Thanks for comment and advice, take care,

Rod.




Re: Web site update

2002-09-10 Thread Jostein


Cotty is inspiring company, that's what he is!

;-)

It was also a new and pleasant experience for me to be able to do some real
landscape shooting (tripods and patience) _combined_ with a social family
event. A great time opts for good shots, doesn't it?

Glad you liked my site, Wendy.

Jostein

- Original Message(s) -

Wendy:
> >tsk,tsk.
> >Cotty has a lot to answer for.
> >
> >Wendy

Cotty:
>
> Can't think what she means!!
>
> ;-)




Re[2]: photokina rumors

2002-09-10 Thread Mike Ignatiev

If true, that's one hell of a way to boost the resolution. Especially if it scales up 
for larger sizes (just imagine:
144MP full frame sensor for 6x6 Hassy for mere $50K...)

Best,
Mishka

-Original Message-
From: "Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:48:54 -0400
Subject: RE: photokina rumors

> 
> Not a rumor. Canon Europe put the press release (dated 9/24/02) on their web site 
>early, and pulled it very soon
afterwards. The text from the announcement is in a photo.net thread.
> My take on the high end digital is that interchangeable lens DSLRs will be aimed at 
>pros and come in Canon or Nikon
mounts (no I didn't forget Contax). The rest will be fixed lens cameras like the 
Olympus E-20. Ya'll see the newest
Minolta Dimage 7Hi (?) with an optical zoom equivalent to 28-200mm? 
> 
> From: Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Looks like C$%^# used some super glue to stick two 1/2
> frame 6mp sensors to make a 12 mp almost full frame
> dslr. Twice the resolution at twice the price.
> 
> 
> 





Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

(sorry to disturb the list)

( 1)  31/1.8

(  )  M40/f2.8 
(  )  FA43/f1.9 Limited 
(  )  K50/f1.2 
(  )  A50/f1.2 
(  )  K50/f1.4 
(  )  M50/f1.4 
( 2)  A50/f1.4 
(  )  F50/f1.4 
( 3)  FA50/f1.4 
(  )  M50/f1.7 
(  )  A50/f1.7 
(  )  F50/f1.7 
(  )  FA50/f1.7 
(  )  M50/f2 
(  )  A50/f2 
(  )  A50/f2.8 Macro 
(  )  F50/f2.8 Macro 
(  )  FA50/f2.8 Macro 
(  )  K50/f4 Macro 
(  )  M50/f4 Macro 
(  )  K55/f1.8 
(  )  K55/f2
 




Re: Pentax flashes

2002-09-10 Thread John Glover


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax flashes


> It's mentioned in the description for the 201 that it's a good flash to
use with the ZX-M.  If what I've found out is correct, it's a good flash IF
your lenses are KA.  If not, then it's check the flash range and set the
aperture.

Ray,

Pentax makes a flash that will meet your needs, the AF200T.  It is very
small, quite poweful for its size, has two auto modes, a TTL mode and a full
manual mode plus adjustable power levels.  You can pick one up from
www.keh.com, or off eBay much cheaper.I paid $25 for mine off eBay a few
years ago. I've since replace it with the AF280T, which came from KEH for
only $49.


>
> I'm disappointed with Pentax.  I've spent too much time trying to find
basic info online.  Their flash model designations are confusing (e.g., AF
means auto-flash, not auto-focus) and their instruction manuals and product
descriptions are next to useless.

No more confusing than anyone else's flash designation.  The Suffixes are
the keys to Pentax flashes, F being digitial flash, T being TTL, Z being
zoom head, etc.  What does the E in Canon's designation mean, or the EZ or
the EX?

>
> I like my Pentax cameras up to a point.  I'm reaching that point and
instead of changing all of my lenses over to KA to take advantage of a
low-priced flash, I think it's time to sink money into the Canon EOS system.
At least info on EOS isn't as obscure as what Pentax semi-translates from
Japanese.  And there doesn't seem to be any great confusion in regards to
EOS flashes and their compatibilities with various EOS cameras.

Nope, that's because EOS flashes will only work with EOS cameras.  Try to
mount an EOS flash on an A-1 and see what happens..nothihg as the EOS
flash will not even talk to older manual bodies.  At least Pentax still
makes a few flash guns which are compatible with their entire range of
cameras.

John






Re: Vs: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Fenstermacher has a Graphic as well & I have a Busch Pressman (along-side my MX and 
ZX-M).
But, alas, I'm only 46.

Collin :)

***
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

You guys are really depressing me with all this age talk.  Anyone else over 60? 

I still have two cameras older than I am, a Leica and a Speed Graphic! 

Dan 
***




Re: Web site update

2002-09-10 Thread Jostein


- Original Message -
From: "Glen O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> The first time I have visited your site and viewed your work.  Very nice
to
> say the least 
>
Thanks a lot, Glen.
Jostein




Re: Web site update

2002-09-10 Thread Jostein

Humble thanks, Rob.
You're right, there's a lot of good scenery in Norway. :-)
However, all but two of the landscapes are taken at places more than 5 hours
drive from Oslo...
Jostein
- Original Message -
From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Web site update


> Fantastic.  I love the new landscapes!  This is really inspiring stuff,
> and make me just wish I had scenery that good nearby...  You really have
> a gift ther Jostein.




Re: MZ-S durability

2002-09-10 Thread Dan Scott

My ZX-5n has swung, pendulum like, into our metal skinned entry door a 
few times and has also fallen off a half-wall (about 3 1/2 feet) on to a 
laminate floor with no damage.

FWIW, the 77/1.8's front element is an, apparently, frosting-proof 
design.

Dan Scott (if I were only as resilient...)




Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Albano_Garcia


(1 )  K50/f1.2

(2 )  M50/f1.7
(3 )  M50/f1.4

Regards

Albano Kid
(the surveys boy ;-)





Re: favorite portrait lens (was Re: Orgin Myths)

2002-09-10 Thread Dr E D F Williams

There were clouds and the light changed - the images need to be fixed. As I
said, I put up all those I took and only two are 'keepers' as far as I'm
concerned. Elsa had just been confirmed and was the centre of attraction.
All the other pictures are of folk eating, drinking, jostling each other,
laughing, drinking, grinning, drinking, getting in and out of focus, playing
with rubber-powered model planes, falling about and drinking. I find it very
hard to do groups - very hard indeed. I don't have a forceful enough
approach perhaps. As I said to Raimo - when he was here a few weeks ago - I
can do portraits and I can do macros, but I'll be damned if I can do groups.

For Elsa's mother I shall get all the pics of her darling looking the same,
with Photoshop, and have them printed on an Epson in the city. I've given up
on my own Epson. It eats cartridges - using more for the cleaning process
than for printing. I must say, however, some of the prints I made two
summers ago were spectacular. But the cost is just too high. The messing
about is frustrating and makes me mad as hell. I almost threw the printer
out of the window after it had used three quarters of a colour cartridge and
still hadn't cleared the ing jets.

Best,

D

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: favorite portrait lens (was Re: Orgin Myths)


> > If anyone is interested I put up some pictures - taken a couple of
> > weeks ago for the family. They are all there (link below)
> > including the imperfect ones. Everyone wanted to see them all. My
> > wife's family is spread over Northern Europe and only get together
> > once in a while.
>
> Don:
>
> Some nice portraits of "Elsa" (once I changed the ".com" to ".htm" -
> ).  However, were there to be some other portraits of some other
> members of the family?
>
> Also, I am curious as to the lighting used for #21 - #24.  Were you
> using a reflector of some sort?
>
> Fred
>
>





Answered my own question (re: canon full-frame)

2002-09-10 Thread Ryan K. Brooks

Canon Consumer Imaging

Photokina marks the 15-year anniversary of EOS as a brand. Canon is 
announcing two new EOS models at the show - the world's highest 
resolution Pro-camera, the EOS 1Ds and the EOS 300V, which is predicted 
to become the world’s number 1 selling SLR camera.

The EOS-1Ds features the first ever full frame 35mm CMOS sensor with 
11.1 million effective pixels. The EOS-1Ds capture astounding detail & 
colour, almost doubling the resolution ordinarily considered state of 
the art for a digital SLR camera in the world today.*

Also new this year are three digital still cameras, all featuring the 
new high performance DIGital Imaging Core (DIGIC) processor. One of the 
trio, the Digital IXUS v3, is claiming the position as the world’s 
smallest 3.2 Megapixel digital camera with optical zoom and LCD monitor.*

Along with the new additions to the camera line up, Canon is announcing 
Canon Imaging Gateway (CIG), a digital imaging web site, which Canon 
Europe sees as the vital missing link in Customer Relationship 
Management (CRM) by creating a one-on-one communication channel to 
consumer users.

The online solution will allow users to download updates for their 
digital cameras, in much the same way that mobile phone users download 
personalised ring-tones. CIG also offers other services online, such as 
photo albums, photo-printing.





Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Keith Whaley

K50 f/1.4
M50 f/1.4
K50 f/4.0 Macro

keith whaley


Arnold Stark wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> please take a little time and imagine the following
> situation:
> 
> 1.) All your normal lenses have been stolen, and you
> have no insurance.
> 2.) Your husband or wife wants to give you a new normal
> lens as a present
> 3.) He/she asks you to name your favourite 3 Pentax
> K-mount normal lenses (1st, 2nd and 3rd choice),
> so that it is not too difficult for him/her to find at
> least one of the 3.
> 4.) To make your spouse happy you will have to use your
> new normal lens often. And of course, you will never be
> allowed to sell the lens. Thus, your choices should
> only take into account optical and mechanical quality,
> features and joy of posession and of use. The price
> should not be considered, as your spouse just has won
> sufficient money for 100 normal lenses in a lottery.
> 
> Please name your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choises:
> 
> (  )  M40/f2.8
> (  )  FA43/f1.9 Limited
> (  )  K50/f1.2
> (  )  A50/f1.2
> (  )  K50/f1.4
> (  )  M50/f1.4
> (  )  A50/f1.4
> (  )  F50/f1.4
> (  )  FA50/f1.4
> (  )  M50/f1.7
> (  )  A50/f1.7
> (  )  F50/f1.7
> (  )  FA50/f1.7
> (  )  M50/f2
> (  )  A50/f2
> (  )  A50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  F50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  FA50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  K50/f4 Macro
> (  )  M50/f4 Macro
> (  )  K55/f1.8
> (  )  K55/f2
> 
> Have fun with this poll !!!  I will collect your
> answers for 3 days. If this poll is a success, then
> more polls like this will follow.
> 
> Arnold
> 
> www.arnoldstark.de




Re: photokina roumors

2002-09-10 Thread Ryan K. Brooks

And these are the CMOS sensors used in the D60/D30?  If so, wow.Do 
you have a source for this rumor?

R


Brendan wrote:
> Looks like C$%^# used some super glue to stick two 1/2
> frame 6mp sensors to make a 12 mp almost full frame
> dslr. Twice the resolution at twice the price.
> 
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Re: Vs: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Keith Whaley



"Daniel J. Matyola" wrote:
> 
> You guys are really depressing me with all this age talk.  Anyone else over 60?
> 
> I still have two cameras older than I am, a Leica and a Speed Graphic!
> 
> Dan

Hah! Just wait until you have NO cameras older than you!
I started out just out of diapers (so it seems) with a Retina 1a
folder. Even THAT was not as old as I was!

keith whaley  ;^)  ~ jes' lovin' it!
 
> > > >I think I'm the youngest pdmler with 23 years old.
> > > >But I know all the cameras commented here, and in fact I use a ME Super,
> > > >from 1980, and used a lot of seventies gear, and also own an old Pentax 6x7
> > > >and a 1958 Rolleiflex. I like old equipment, superb, built to last and
> > > >that's a tactile pleasure, and affordable.
> > > >Albano Kid
> 
> --
> Daniel J. MatyolaÝ




Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread andre

>(1)  K50/f1.4
>
>(2)  M40/f2.8
>
>(3)  A50/f2.8 Macro




Re: MZ-s & 28-70 f2.8

2002-09-10 Thread Fred

> A few observations

Thanks for the very thorough review, Mike - much more extensive and
more well composed than most of us ever seem to manage to contribute
- .

Fred





Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Fred

> Please name your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choises:

A 50/1.2

A 50/1.4

A 50/2.8 Macro

Fred





photokina roumors

2002-09-10 Thread Brendan

Looks like C$%^# used some super glue to stick two 1/2
frame 6mp sensors to make a 12 mp almost full frame
dslr. Twice the resolution at twice the price.

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Re: Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread David Brooks

My Three
Dave
 Begin Original Message 

--- Arnold Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> please take a little time and imagine the following
> situation:
> 
> 1.) All your normal lenses have been stolen, and you
> have no insurance.
> 2.) Your husband or wife wants to give you a new
> normal
> lens as a present
> 3.) He/she asks you to name your favourite 3 Pentax
> K-mount normal lenses (1st, 2nd and 3rd choice),
> so that it is not too difficult for him/her to find
> at
> least one of the 3.
> 4.) To make your spouse happy you will have to use
> your
> new normal lens often. And of course, you will never
> be
> allowed to sell the lens. Thus, your choices should
> only take into account optical and mechanical
> quality,
> features and joy of posession and of use. The price
> should not be considered, as your spouse just has
> won
> sufficient money for 100 normal lenses in a lottery.
> 
> Please name your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choises:
> 
> (  )  M40/f2.8
> (  )  FA43/f1.9 Limited
> (  )  K50/f1.2
> (  )  A50/f1.2
> (  )  K50/f1.4
> (  )  M50/f1.4
> (  )  A50/f1.4
> (  )  F50/f1.4
> (  )  FA50/f1.4
> ( 1 )  M50/f1.7
> ( 2 ) A50/f1.7
> (  )  F50/f1.7
> (  )  FA50/f1.7
> (  )  M50/f2
> (  )  A50/f2
> (  )  A50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  F50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  FA50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  K50/f4 Macro
> ( 3 )  M50/f4 Macro
> (  )  K55/f1.8
> (  )  K55/f2
> 
> Have fun with this poll !!!  I will collect your
> answers for 3 days. If this poll is a success, then
> more polls like this will follow.
> 
> Arnold
> 
> www.arnoldstark.de
> 


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RE: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Cesar Matamoros II

-Original Message-
From: Dan Scott
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:34 PM


On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 07:43  PM, Michael Cross wrote:

> I'm 37 and, believe it or not, I am just starting out with Pentax.  As
> far as I
> know a Spotmatic is a washing machine.
>
> I just bought a ZX-L body.  Now I just need one of you PDMLer's to tell
> which
> prime lens I ought to buy first for people photography.
>
> Michael Cross

My most frequently used "people" lens is my FA 35/2.—I use it on groups,
environmental portraits, and on up to half-length individual portraits.
If you have the dough and don't mind the extra weight, the FA 31/1.9 is
an even better lens (at least, Cesar's 31/1.9 is better than my 35/2).

Of my other Pentax lenses—lengths of 50mm, 77mm, 100mm, and 135mm—the
135mm most comfortably handles what 35mm can't. I find it a great length
for head shots—the physical distance between me and my subject is close
enough to be sociable but not so close as to be invasive. Perfect for
shooting across a table. I originally bought an M 135/3.5 just to try
the length, figuring on getting the FA 135/2.8 if it worked out. I
picked up an Ex+ example for $40 and shipping about a year and a half
ago and still haven't moved up to the FA 135/2.8—it is definitely one of
the great bargains of the Pentax lineup.

Good luck choosing,

Dan Scott (42 1/12 years old)


--
I used to carry a 24/2.8 and my 77/1.8 around for my street photography.  I
now find myself foregoing the wider angle and carrying my 31/1.8 with the
77.  As Dan has mentioned the 31 is a big lens though.  It has taken a bit
to get used to, but it is worth it in my opinion.  The 77 is remarkably
small.

The 31 still allows me to get close to my subject and I get the look of the
Limited lenses.  The 77 is used for close-ups of people.

Unlike Dan, I did not like using the 135.  It put me too far away from my
subjects.  By using the 77 it forces me to get closer.  I also tend to have
a 50 in the mix, especially when I will expect to be shooting later into the
day.  Then I usually carry the 50/1.2, even though it is a big beast.

I hope this helps,

César (41 3/4 - though can wear out 20-somethings playing 2v2 beach
volleyball)
Panama City, Florida




Re: Vs: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread gfen

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Brendan wrote:
> Actually where's Shel?

I've been trying to reach him, and I'm actually pretty concerned at this
point. I'm going to send out a letter to his post office box this week and
see if I get contact.

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Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread gfen

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Arnold Stark wrote:
> 3.) He/she asks you to name your favourite 3 Pentax
> K-mount normal lenses (1st, 2nd and 3rd choice),

I haven't had the pleasure of using the various lenses I want, but I would
probably want the A50/1.2, FA50/1.4, and then A50/1.4 (what I currently
use).

Why oh why can't I have an FA50/1.. Where's that "dream lens" thread,
damnit, I'll even accept an FA50/1 USM, but only if it has a clutch for
optimum manual focussing...  ;)



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Re: Vs: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Brendan

Actually where's Shel?

--- gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> 
> > You guys are really depressing me with all this
> age talk.  Anyone else over 60?
> 
> Where's Graywolf when you need him? ;)
> 
> (Upon checking the page he mailed ou;when he left,
> there's been no update
> since late May)
> 
> -- 
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> Walter Benjamin
> 


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Re: Vs: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread gfen

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> You guys are really depressing me with all this age talk.  Anyone else over 60?

Where's Graywolf when you need him? ;)

(Upon checking the page he mailed ou;when he left, there's been no update
since late May)

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Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Mike Ignatiev

M40/2.8 (for MX -- this is a killer combo)
A50/1.7 (can't live with this one)
A50/1.2 (lust -- besides, won't have another chance :)

basically, what I have right now, except M50/1.4 instead of A50/1.2

Mishka





Re: MZ-S durability

2002-09-10 Thread wendy beard

Andrea wrote:
>Hallo everyone,
>As I am seriously considering buying an MZS mainly because of its low
>weight and magnesium shell - I was wondering if some current user could
>clarify a few points for me. The first is the built quality.
>Here the Z1P, lovely as it is, has failed me in terms of reliability to the
>point that I've decided it is not for me. (Obviously this is a completely
>subjective judgement). My main body took a small bump on a stone wall as I
>was running (this wasn't a major impact, just a clip) last year in India:
>the top LCD display's plastic cover flew off and the mirror locked up.
>How much better is the MZS built? 

My MZ-S got into scrap with my 67. They were both vying for space in my camera 
rucksack. The 67 came off best, but the MZ-S escaped with only a little scrape.
It's a pretty tough character. I haven't banged it off a wall though.

wendy beard
ottawa, canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com




Re: Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Brendan

Does this mean you can buy the favorite normal lens
100 time for list members :-)

1 fa 43mm f1.9
2 fa 50mm f1.4
3 f 50mm f1.7

--- Arnold Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> please take a little time and imagine the following
> situation:
> 
> 1.) All your normal lenses have been stolen, and you
> have no insurance.
> 2.) Your husband or wife wants to give you a new
> normal
> lens as a present
> 3.) He/she asks you to name your favourite 3 Pentax
> K-mount normal lenses (1st, 2nd and 3rd choice),
> so that it is not too difficult for him/her to find
> at
> least one of the 3.
> 4.) To make your spouse happy you will have to use
> your
> new normal lens often. And of course, you will never
> be
> allowed to sell the lens. Thus, your choices should
> only take into account optical and mechanical
> quality,
> features and joy of posession and of use. The price
> should not be considered, as your spouse just has
> won
> sufficient money for 100 normal lenses in a lottery.
> 
> Please name your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choises:
> 
> (  )  M40/f2.8
> (  )  FA43/f1.9 Limited
> (  )  K50/f1.2
> (  )  A50/f1.2
> (  )  K50/f1.4
> (  )  M50/f1.4
> (  )  A50/f1.4
> (  )  F50/f1.4
> (  )  FA50/f1.4
> (  )  M50/f1.7
> (  )  A50/f1.7
> (  )  F50/f1.7
> (  )  FA50/f1.7
> (  )  M50/f2
> (  )  A50/f2
> (  )  A50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  F50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  FA50/f2.8 Macro
> (  )  K50/f4 Macro
> (  )  M50/f4 Macro
> (  )  K55/f1.8
> (  )  K55/f2
> 
> Have fun with this poll !!!  I will collect your
> answers for 3 days. If this poll is a success, then
> more polls like this will follow.
> 
> Arnold
> 
> www.arnoldstark.de
> 


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Re: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread Brendan

no I get the kiddie chair ;-)

--- gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Brendan wrote:
> > Several years ago, I was the youngest in here at
> 25
> > and the PDML kid ( Still the Tpdml kid ). Now at
> 29,
> > I'm just a pdml teenager :-)
> 
> Do they put you at the little table at the TOPDML
> meets? :)
> 
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Re: Orgin Myths

2002-09-10 Thread gfen

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Brendan wrote:
> Several years ago, I was the youngest in here at 25
> and the PDML kid ( Still the Tpdml kid ). Now at 29,
> I'm just a pdml teenager :-)

Do they put you at the little table at the TOPDML meets? :)

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Favourite K mount normal lens poll

2002-09-10 Thread Arnold Stark

Hi everybody,

please take a little time and imagine the following
situation:

1.) All your normal lenses have been stolen, and you
have no insurance.
2.) Your husband or wife wants to give you a new normal
lens as a present
3.) He/she asks you to name your favourite 3 Pentax
K-mount normal lenses (1st, 2nd and 3rd choice),
so that it is not too difficult for him/her to find at
least one of the 3.
4.) To make your spouse happy you will have to use your
new normal lens often. And of course, you will never be
allowed to sell the lens. Thus, your choices should
only take into account optical and mechanical quality,
features and joy of posession and of use. The price
should not be considered, as your spouse just has won
sufficient money for 100 normal lenses in a lottery.

Please name your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choises:

(  )  M40/f2.8
(  )  FA43/f1.9 Limited
(  )  K50/f1.2
(  )  A50/f1.2
(  )  K50/f1.4
(  )  M50/f1.4
(  )  A50/f1.4
(  )  F50/f1.4
(  )  FA50/f1.4
(  )  M50/f1.7
(  )  A50/f1.7
(  )  F50/f1.7
(  )  FA50/f1.7
(  )  M50/f2
(  )  A50/f2
(  )  A50/f2.8 Macro
(  )  F50/f2.8 Macro
(  )  FA50/f2.8 Macro
(  )  K50/f4 Macro
(  )  M50/f4 Macro
(  )  K55/f1.8
(  )  K55/f2

Have fun with this poll !!!  I will collect your
answers for 3 days. If this poll is a success, then
more polls like this will follow.

Arnold

www.arnoldstark.de




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