Re: Tripod head? was(Re: Tamron 300/2.8 SP LD IF Ex+, $1000)

2003-07-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 28.07.03 7:31, Paul Eriksson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My wife approved the purchase, so now it's mine.  I have to admit that it
 was a 100% impulse buy, I never considered a 300 2.8 since I wrongly assumed
 that in AF it would be to expensive.  Well now I have to pay the price, my
 tripod  head is totally inadequate a bogen 3001/3031 setup.  First step
 will be a new head, I looked at the Kirk BH-3 (right name?) and it looks
 promising but I'm sure there are other options.  Anyone feel like making a
 suggestion?  The leg set will have to wait a couple of months thou.
 
Look at Novoflex Magicball Small:
http://www.novoflex.com/html_d/fr_sz1.htm
or Universal:
http://www.novoflex.com/html_d/fr_sz5.htm
It is much easier to operate than standard ball head - anyway worth
considering for your new 300/2.8!

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




KX voted Top Stealth Camera?

2003-07-28 Thread Anton Browne
Yesterday I used my KX in earnest for the first time - I also have a K1000 (which I 
shall soon sell) an MX and LX's, all cameras have been CLA'd. I had long suspected 
that the KX had the sweetest quietest shutter and using it yesterday after a long 
spell of using mainly LX's and occasionally the MX really brought this home. The KX 
shutter (on my example anyway) is noticeably quieter and it has a silkier sound. I did 
notice that the wind-on is a little rough - rather like a K1000 - the MX and LX in 
particular have a smoother action. The KX has all the features for easy smooth 
stealthy operation - aperture and shutter displayed in viewfinder, mirror lock-up for 
even quieter operation, MLU and self-timer can be used in conjunction so you could 
leave the camera on a table and set it off whilst you busy yourself talking to a 
friend (though the noise of the self-timer would negate the reduction in sound of the 
MLU).

Although the KX isn't small, it looks like an old uninteresting camera (particularly 
with the case attached) and people don’t usually give it a second glance, I think it’s 
reasonable un-stealworthy. I don't think that the greater size over the MX makes much 
difference to visibility. I think a big guy like myself holding something up to his 
eye is what will draw attention; a few centimetres in the size of the thing he's 
holding won't make much difference (no sexual comments here please).

I hereby nominate the KX as No. 1 Pentax manual focus stealth camera.

Anton

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Re: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited

2003-07-28 Thread David Mann
Dave Brooks wrote:

 I think that may be my next purchase (and maybe the tubes)instead of
 something wider.I want to get in a bit closer now.

The tubes will be necessary if you want to get tight head shots.

 BTW how do you print your slides.

I assume you mean 6x7 slides.  I scan them and send the files to the lab. 
 My scanner is only capable of 1200ppi but this is adequate for my 
purposes (I can get a good 8x10 but haven't tried anything bigger yet).  
For really big prints I can have the lab scan the slide for me.

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/




OT: Having to buy a scanner

2003-07-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Remember a few days ago I was boasting about my local shop doing 4000 
dpi scans with Nikon scanner. Now, apparently the shop owner decided 
to move abroad. He's closing a shop or selling it out. Most probably 
the result would be unacceptable to me.

I decided to buy a scanner. My options are: Epson 2400 or Epson 3200. 
The latter is twice as expensive as the former. It could be that I 
won't get approval on the expensive one. Still I wonder whether anyone 
already bought an Epson 3200 and used it.

What do you say?

Thanks.

Boris



Re: PDMLers to RV in Scotland

2003-07-28 Thread U+B Scheffler
That is one thing that I like in PDML: I am always learning something new
about life and people.
When starting in this list I read all about Pentax gear and I spent very
much money on getting a better quality level of my equipment (I had been
warned ... sigh)
Now I am switching more and more to read threads like camping in Scotland
(very nice - must have been fun).

Regards
Bernd

---original message

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:33:34 -0400
From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PDMLers to RV in Scotland
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

GFM is Grandfather Mountain, see http://www.grandfather.com/ . There are
two Photography events there each year, Nature Photo Weekend which is a
nature photo workshop, and Camera Clinic a photojournalism seminar. Both
events are attended by several list members on a regular basis. You are
almost guaranteed to meet the list guy, Doug Brewer, and Bill Owen (and his
lovely wife Phyllis) who sometimes seems to live there in his camper. As a
bonus, the Event Director for these programs is also the South East US
Pentax Rep, so neat things show up for list members to fondle. There will
probably will be at least one *istD, maybe several at the Camera Clinic next
month.

RV? There is someone in the world who does not know what RV means? I'm
amazed. RV is short for Recreational Vehicle, anything from Bill's tent
trailer to a multi-million dollar converted over the road bus. That includes
what Europeans' call caravans (we call them travel trailers), and the
ubiquitous VW Camper Bus.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto




Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner

2003-07-28 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Monday, July 28, 2003, 8:24:43 AM, you wrote:

 Hi!

 Remember a few days ago I was boasting about my local shop doing 4000 
 dpi scans with Nikon scanner. Now, apparently the shop owner decided 
 to move abroad. He's closing a shop or selling it out. Most probably 
 the result would be unacceptable to me.

 I decided to buy a scanner. My options are: Epson 2400 or Epson 3200. 
 The latter is twice as expensive as the former. It could be that I 
 won't get approval on the expensive one. Still I wonder whether anyone 
 already bought an Epson 3200 and used it.

 What do you say?

why not offer to buy the shop owner's scanner from him?

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner - clarification

2003-07-28 Thread Boris Liberman
I think I need to clarify myself here.

Epson 2400 can give me roughly 8MP from purely optical scan. I've seen 
the results and they are quite impressive. It can also do very good 
scans from proper b/w film, such as Kodak TMax 100. I wonder whether 
such scanner is enough for a semi-serious amateur like me, or do I 
have to buy Epson 3200. This one has roughly twice the resolution, and 
is said to have proper dynamic range. But $450 is a lot of money for 
me and I don't see immediate good that would come out from choosing 
3200 above 2400...

Any advise will be greatly appreciated.

Boris



Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner

2003-07-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 28.07.03 9:24, Boris Liberman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I decided to buy a scanner. My options are: Epson 2400 or Epson 3200.
 The latter is twice as expensive as the former. It could be that I
 won't get approval on the expensive one. Still I wonder whether anyone
 already bought an Epson 3200 and used it.
If you want top results, and don't want to spend hours hand-cleaning every
scan of dust and scratches, you'd better buy specialized film scanner for
similar to 3200 price - like Nikon Coolscan IV or Minolta Dimage Scan Elite
II.

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner

2003-07-28 Thread Boris Liberman
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:47:53 +0100

 Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,

why not offer to buy the shop owner's scanner from him?
Bob, he has two years old Nikon Coolscan 4000-something scanner that 
he's been using very extensively every single day. My knowledge about 
modern technology forces me to fear that this scanner is going to the 
scanner's heaven very soon...

Boris



Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner

2003-07-28 Thread Boris Liberman
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:51:02 +0200
 Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want top results, and don't want to spend hours hand-cleaning 
every
scan of dust and scratches, you'd better buy specialized film scanner 
for
similar to 3200 price - like Nikon Coolscan IV or Minolta Dimage Scan 
Elite
II.
That's exactly the point. I don't want top results since I am quite 
far from being able to earn money from my photography. However the 
results I've been seeing and ocassionally getting from my friend's 
Epson 2450 are definitely acceptable. 

I am going to verify prices on Nikon Coolscan LS-40. It sounds like a 
good alternative to Epson flatbeds...

Boris



Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner - clarification

2003-07-28 Thread Alan Chan
Or Nikon LS-2000 or Minolta Scan Elite F-2900 if you do 35mm only. Mind you 
this Minolta doesn't scan Kodachrome well.

regards,
Alan Chan
I think I need to clarify myself here.

Epson 2400 can give me roughly 8MP from purely optical scan. I've seen the 
results and they are quite impressive. It can also do very good scans from 
proper b/w film, such as Kodak TMax 100. I wonder whether such scanner is 
enough for a semi-serious amateur like me, or do I have to buy Epson 3200. 
This one has roughly twice the resolution, and is said to have proper 
dynamic range. But $450 is a lot of money for me and I don't see immediate 
good that would come out from choosing 3200 above 2400...

Any advise will be greatly appreciated.

Boris
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Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner

2003-07-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Sylwek, Nikon Coolscan IV (LS-40) costs locally $1100 - way out of my 
reach. I might as well save for ist-D or something... At the moment I 
am leaning towards Epson 2400 - reasonably good and very affordable - 
$300 or even less. 

Boris



Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner

2003-07-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 28.07.03 10:10, Boris Liberman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sylwek, Nikon Coolscan IV (LS-40) costs locally $1100 - way out of my
 reach. I might as well save for ist-D or something... At the moment I
 am leaning towards Epson 2400 - reasonably good and very affordable -
 $300 or even less.
Unfortunately the price for Coolscan IV is similar in Poland too :-( You can
eventually trie to look for lightly used Coolscan II as I did (that
shouldn't be problem it was rather used by amateurs). Mine was almost like
new and was about 330$ - scan quality is very good, and it has original ICE!

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




Re: Letter from Scotland - Day 2

2003-07-28 Thread Cotty
Indeed, a visit to a distillery is on the agenda. I'm not an great fan of
whiskey myself, but I'm sure it will prove interesting ;-)

Ahhh. Speyside! Home of some legendary single malts, truth be known...  g

Cotty wrote:

 
 Up slowly this morning as yesterday was long and arduous with lots of
 travelling.
 
 After breakfast, we all walked down the lane to the village and found the
 small railway station that is part of the Speyside Steam Railway. Earlier
 we could hear the train chugging back and forth along the ten mile track,
 and it seemed a good bet for some decent pics, not to mention keeping the
 kids occupied for the best part of the morning.

Aha. In that case we probably got the wedgies from you guys :-)

As for a wedgie, we in the North American colonies know exactly what they
are.  I
don't believe I've ever had the pleasure of being the receipient of one of
those.  I was a nerd, and my pant waist was just below my chest (as a
defensive
measure...).  Do you guys have atomic wedgies?  That's where the waist
band goes
up over the head.  Ah, the innocence of youth!

I'll have to have a good think now and come up with a load of old Brit
nonesense - you can guess through the context. But wait - it's the start
of day 3 and I'm not yet out of bed. Must go see Gianfranco (whose
nickname I have discovered is 'Ganco' - with a soft 'g' like a 'j') and
Veronica off as they are eager to get going south shortly.

More soon.



Cheers,
  Cotty


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At last

2003-07-28 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Dear Friends,

After a week and a half I have finally launched the website. The new 'The
Cement Company from Hell' is much better than the preliminary version which
I submitted for your perusal and this is mainly because of the valuable
feedback I got. Navigation has been included as well as better text. There
is a link now that goes from my own front page. At the risk of being boring,
if any of you would care to go back and look I'd be eternally grateful. The
main perpetrator of the atrocities against us is dead. But his successors
are. if anything. rougher in their approach to business, life and other
people than he was.

We have now finally, in the face of a threat to our health, to do something
about this menace. I have sent the link to members of the Eduskunta
(Parliament) or Congressmen and women for those of you the other side of the
Atlantic. And to a sprinkling of people concerned with public health and
safety. There are links below the introduction that people can click to
email a selection of people who might be able to help and I have included
the board of directors of the villain's company. I don't know how many folk
will spend the time mailing dignitaries, but I hope some do.

You can go there directly from my font page:

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams

or

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/aino.williams

Don
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Re: Tripod head? was(Re: Tamron 300/2.8 SP LD IF Ex+, $1000)

2003-07-28 Thread Herb Chong
you need more than stability. if your lens/camera combination weighs more than a 
certain amount and you don't have a tripod collar, there will be flex and twist in the 
tripod screw and its pad. cork pads, unless they are very carefully designed, will 
flex enough that when you position the camera while holding the lens, it will droop 
after you tighten the head and let go. how much  it does depends on head position and 
how well balanced the camera/lens is about your mount point. similarly, if you don't 
have a rotating tripod mount on the lens, you will get movement if you flop the head 
on its side for a portrait shot. since you are using Pentax bodies, your best options 
are an Arca-Swiss-style quick release head with Kirk plates and brackets specifically 
for the body and lens you are using. this is after you have chosen the sturdiest set 
of legs you can afford.

Herb...

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 01:31
Subject: Tripod head? was(Re: Tamron 300/2.8 SP LD IF Ex+, $1000)


 Well now I have to pay the price, my 
 tripod  head is totally inadequate a bogen 3001/3031 setup.  First step 
 will be a new head, I looked at the Kirk BH-3 (right name?) and it looks 
 promising but I'm sure there are other options.  Anyone feel like making a 
 suggestion?  The leg set will have to wait a couple of months thou.





Re: At last

2003-07-28 Thread Bill Owens
I feel for you Don.  Unfortunately, if Finland is similar to the US, you're
probably facing a losing battle.  Over here the developers who line the
politicians pockets usually get what they want, regardless of the wishes of,
and without regard to, the health of the average citizen.

Bill
- Original Message - 
From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:01 AM
Subject: At last


 Dear Friends,

 After a week and a half I have finally launched the website. The new 'The
 Cement Company from Hell' is much better than the preliminary version
which
 I submitted for your perusal and this is mainly because of the valuable
 feedback I got. Navigation has been included as well as better text. There
 is a link now that goes from my own front page. At the risk of being
boring,
 if any of you would care to go back and look I'd be eternally grateful.
The
 main perpetrator of the atrocities against us is dead. But his successors
 are. if anything. rougher in their approach to business, life and other
 people than he was.

 We have now finally, in the face of a threat to our health, to do
something
 about this menace. I have sent the link to members of the Eduskunta
 (Parliament) or Congressmen and women for those of you the other side of
the
 Atlantic. And to a sprinkling of people concerned with public health and
 safety. There are links below the introduction that people can click to
 email a selection of people who might be able to help and I have included
 the board of directors of the villain's company. I don't know how many
folk
 will spend the time mailing dignitaries, but I hope some do.

 You can go there directly from my font page:

 http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams

 or

 http://personal.inet.fi/cool/aino.williams

 Don
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 Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
 Updated: March 30, 2002








Re: MZ-5n vs MZ-6

2003-07-28 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

Coming back, I hope that it's still interesting (and that people may
refer to it in the future).

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Boris Liberman wrote:

 you. I couldn't make my wife take either of ZX-L or ME Super and start
 shooting though she did press the shutter release couple of times.

I am struggling to convince her we should let go of the MZ-50 :-)
Sentimentalism.

 1. -5n has penta prism, -6 has penta mirror. For instance recently I
 mounted M 35/2.8 and observed heavy vignetting in the viewfinder of -6
 with somewhat less vignetting in case of -5n - my co-worker has one,
 so I could try.

What do you mean by that? Could you see the lens from the viewfinder?
Or do you mean that you see less from the viewfinder than what you
actually shoot on the film? Or sth else?

 2. -5n has 0.8 magnification while -6 has only 0.7.

I noticed that the -6 is even smaller than the -50 (0.77).

Would the magnifier make any difference? Or is it unsuitable for
general photography?

http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/focusing/magnifier-FB.jpg

 As for your trouble with spot meter. It is actually quite convenient.

Thanks for this.

Regards,
Kostas



Re: KX voted Top Stealth Camera?

2003-07-28 Thread Lon Williamson
You seem to have an amazingly quiet KX.  I have three of them,
and three MXen, and all the MXen are quieter than the KXen.
Gimme decent light, though, and I like the KX best.
Anton Browne wrote:
Yesterday I used my KX in earnest for the first time - I also have a K1000 (which I shall soon sell) an MX and LX's, all cameras have been CLA'd. I had long suspected that the KX had the sweetest quietest shutter and using it yesterday after a long spell of using mainly LX's and occasionally the MX really brought this home. The KX shutter (on my example anyway) is noticeably quieter and it has a silkier sound. I did notice that the wind-on is a little rough - rather like a K1000 - the MX and LX in particular have a smoother action. The KX has all the features for easy smooth stealthy operation - aperture and shutter displayed in viewfinder, mirror lock-up for even quieter operation, MLU and self-timer can be used in conjunction so you could leave the camera on a table and set it off whilst you busy yourself talking to a friend (though the noise of the self-timer would negate the reduction in sound of the MLU).

Although the KX isn't small, it looks like an old uninteresting camera (particularly with the case attached) and people dont usually give it a second glance, I think its reasonable un-stealworthy. I don't think that the greater size over the MX makes much difference to visibility. I think a big guy like myself holding something up to his eye is what will draw attention; a few centimetres in the size of the thing he's holding won't make much difference (no sexual comments here please).

I hereby nominate the KX as No. 1 Pentax manual focus stealth camera.

Anton

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Re: Was: B/W PUG Favorites. Now: Pentax and Us

2003-07-28 Thread Stephen Moore
Steve Desjardins wrote:

 But remember the PDML battle cry:
 
 Any idiot can buy a Canon or a Nikon, but it take's a special kind of
 idiot to buy a Pentax!

Hey Mark Roberts! Does this qualify for your
The Collected Wisdom of the PDML?  ;-)

Regards,

Stephen



Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Pentxuser
I really don't agree that you should buy only Pentax lenses. Yes, You can't 
go WRONG with most of the Pentax lenses out there but some of my favourite 
lenses are not Pentax Lenses at all. And, I would add, that in many cases they are 
as good or better than the equivalent Pentax offering.
Once again, I maintain that it is not the lenses that make the difference but 
the photographer and his or her technique. I'm not sugggesting you go out and 
buy the cheapest lenses you can find, but don't limit yourself to Pentax 
lenses. If you see a good used lens that is not a Pentax brand, ask the PDML about 
it. But remember, most of us are extremely biased toward Pentax lenses.
Non Pentax Lenses I own that I am very happy with are 
Tokina ATX 100-300 F4
Tokina ATX 90 F2.5 macro
Tokina ATX 28-70 2.6-2.8
Kiron 105 2.5 macro
Kiron 28-105 
There are a few others

Vic 



In a message dated 7/27/03 10:02:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi!

From: Lon Williamson 
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions


 I hate to say it, but buy Pentax lenses. 

I don't mind saying it at all.

BUY PENTAX LENSES.

William Robb

No matter how (un)fortunate it sounds, I totally second Lon's and 
Bill's opinion. One of the things that were caused in my life by PDML 
was to decide rather decidedly grin to buy only Pentax glass.

That's why I decided to sell my Sigma 28-135 zoom and my Soligor 
70-222 zoom and buy (eventually) Pentax 28-105 and Pentax 70-210 zooms

instead.

Any enablers? Disablers? big broad grin

Boris




Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Alek Kozak
Hi,
How would you rate Tokina ATX 28-70 2.6-2.8 in terms of optical
performance?Do you have any comparison with any other fast zoom?even from
other manufacturer. And how does it performe vs Pentax primes?
Cheers
Alek
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions


 I really don't agree that you should buy only Pentax lenses. Yes, You
can't
 go WRONG with most of the Pentax lenses out there but some of my favourite
 lenses are not Pentax Lenses at all. And, I would add, that in many cases
they are
 as good or better than the equivalent Pentax offering.
 Once again, I maintain that it is not the lenses that make the difference
but
 the photographer and his or her technique. I'm not sugggesting you go out
and
 buy the cheapest lenses you can find, but don't limit yourself to Pentax
 lenses. If you see a good used lens that is not a Pentax brand, ask the
PDML about
 it. But remember, most of us are extremely biased toward Pentax lenses.
 Non Pentax Lenses I own that I am very happy with are
 Tokina ATX 100-300 F4
 Tokina ATX 90 F2.5 macro
 Tokina ATX 28-70 2.6-2.8
 Kiron 105 2.5 macro
 Kiron 28-105
 There are a few others

 Vic



 In a message dated 7/27/03 10:02:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi!
 
 From: Lon Williamson
 Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
 
 
  I hate to say it, but buy Pentax lenses.
 
 I don't mind saying it at all.
 
 BUY PENTAX LENSES.
 
 William Robb
 
 No matter how (un)fortunate it sounds, I totally second Lon's and
 Bill's opinion. One of the things that were caused in my life by PDML
 was to decide rather decidedly grin to buy only Pentax glass.
 
 That's why I decided to sell my Sigma 28-135 zoom and my Soligor
 70-222 zoom and buy (eventually) Pentax 28-105 and Pentax 70-210 zooms
 
 instead.
 
 Any enablers? Disablers? big broad grin
 
 Boris
 





Re: New M42/Thread Mount Body (Bessaflex TM)

2003-07-28 Thread Christopher Lillja
Thanks, Lon! I'll check the archives.

Ya' know, If they built one of these puppies in K mount, it would be in
my bag already!

Regards,

Chris L.

Christopher Lillja
Director of Publications
The Pennington School
www.pennington.org
(609) 737-6121

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/26/03 10:37AM 
Chris, there was a thread about this very topic a week or two
ago.  Welcome back.

-Lon




RE: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Amita Guha
I have to agree with Vic. There's nothing wrong with buying third-party
lenses if you're on a budget and you want a certain focal length, or a
zoom. The lens might turn out to be just fine. I have several and I
enjoy using them all, and I get good results with them.

On the other hand, I don't particularly like my SMC PENTAX-A 28/2.8,
although it works just fine. It feels plasticky to me. Like anything
else, some Pentax lenses are better than others, and there will be some
third-party brands that you like better than Pentax. 

Amita

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:58 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
 
 
 I really don't agree that you should buy only Pentax lenses. 
 Yes, You can't 
 go WRONG with most of the Pentax lenses out there but some of 
 my favourite 
 lenses are not Pentax Lenses at all. And, I would add, that 
 in many cases they are 
 as good or better than the equivalent Pentax offering.



Another OT post....

2003-07-28 Thread Camdir
Not being very clued up about His Bushness, can someone advise the names of 
his 'cousins'?

Kind regards

Peter



Re: Letter from Scotland - Day 2

2003-07-28 Thread Dan Matyola
If you don't like the single malts there, Cotty, send them back to us 
(by email attachments, of course!)

Cotty wrote:

Indeed, a visit to a distillery is on the agenda. I'm not an great fan of
whiskey myself, but I'm sure it will prove interesting ;-)





RE: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Christopher Lillja
I have found the Sigma 24 2.8 (not the 1.8, as good or bad as it might
be) to be outstandingly sharp. I have both the MF K mount and Nikon AF
versions, both are great, with sturdy metal constroction. I don't think
I paid more than $65 for either one.

Chris L.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/28/03 09:18AM 
I have to agree with Vic. There's nothing wrong with buying
third-party
lenses if you're on a budget and you want a certain focal length, or a
zoom. 



RE: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Christopher Lillja
Uh, cave man, that would be construction ... 

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/28/03 09:38AM 
I have found the Sigma 24 2.8 (not the 1.8, as good or bad as it might
be) to be outstandingly sharp. I have both the MF K mount and Nikon AF
versions, both are great, with sturdy metal constroction. I don't
think
I paid more than $65 for either one.

Chris L.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/28/03 09:18AM 
I have to agree with Vic. There's nothing wrong with buying
third-party
lenses if you're on a budget and you want a certain focal length, or a
zoom. 



Re: Was: B/W PUG Favorites. Now: Pentax and Us

2003-07-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Steve Desjardins wrote:

 But remember the PDML battle cry:
 
 Any idiot can buy a Canon or a Nikon, but it take's a special kind of
 idiot to buy a Pentax!

Hey Mark Roberts! Does this qualify for your
The Collected Wisdom of the PDML?  ;-)

You're reading my mind!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Fred
 I hate to say it, but buy Pentax lenses. 

 I don't mind saying it at all.

 BUY PENTAX LENSES.

 No matter how (un)fortunate it sounds, I totally second Lon's and 
 Bill's opinion. One of the things that were caused in my life by PDML 
 was to decide rather decidedly grin to buy only Pentax glass.

 Any enablers? Disablers? big broad grin

I, too, prefer Pentax glass when available (and most of my lenses
are Pentax lenses).  But, sometimes Pentax doesn't make a lens that
I wish that they did.

My #1 example of this is the manual focus Tokina AT-X 100-300/4,
which (for me) is an extremely useful lens, and (for any user) was
designed and built very well and is of top quality, optically.

http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/x1003004/  - and -

http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/x1003004/modphoto.htm

Pentax didn't make a lens like this.  I fact, almost nobody has made
a 100-300 that doesn't go soft at the long end.  The AT-X, though,
is fast and sharp throughout its range.

I do wish it were a Pentax lens design - then it probably would have
even higher flare resistance and higher contrast.  But Pentax didn't
make a good one of these.

There are a few other unusual designs that are lacking in the
Pentax stable, too...

Fred




Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Fred
 I really don't agree that you should buy only Pentax lenses. Yes,
 You can't go WRONG with most of the Pentax lenses out there but
 some of my favourite lenses are not Pentax Lenses at all.

And, of course, you ~can~ go wrong with a ~few~ of the Pentax
lenses...

 And, I would add, that in many cases they are as good or better
 than the equivalent Pentax offering.

This is not true frequently (thank goodness).  Sometimes, the
problem is that Pentax doesn't have a lens with a certain useful set
of specs, and sometimes a third-party company has (and, sometimes,
the third-party lens can be quite good...).

 Once again, I maintain that it is not the lenses that make the
 difference but the photographer and his or her technique.

True, but good tools help even the good worker.

 I'm not sugggesting you go out and  buy the cheapest lenses you
 can find, but don't limit yourself to Pentax lenses.

Agreed.

 If you see a good used lens that is not a Pentax brand, ask the
 PDML about it.  But remember, most of us are extremely biased
 toward Pentax lenses.

And rightly so, in most cases...

 Non Pentax Lenses I own that I am very happy with are Tokina ATX
 100-300 F4  Tokina ATX 90 F2.5 macro  Kiron 105 2.5 macro

These are very good lenses.

Fred




Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 28.07.03 15:51, Fred at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pentax didn't make a lens like this.  I fact, almost nobody has made
 a 100-300 that doesn't go soft at the long end.  The AT-X, though,
 is fast and sharp throughout its range.
 
You may be wrong. Sigma EX 100/300/4 is regarded as very sharp at every
focal length and even wide open!

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




Re: Back from the Art Wars: A report

2003-07-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Congratulations!

Boris



Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread T Rittenhouse
The Tokina has been around for 20+ years, the Sigma just came out recently.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions


 on 28.07.03 15:51, Fred at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Pentax didn't make a lens like this.  I fact, almost nobody has made
  a 100-300 that doesn't go soft at the long end.  The AT-X, though,
  is fast and sharp throughout its range.
 
 You may be wrong. Sigma EX 100/300/4 is regarded as very sharp at every
 focal length and even wide open!

 --
 Best Regards
 Sylwek






Re: Was: B/W PUG Favorites. Now: Pentax and Us

2003-07-28 Thread Steve Desjardins
I'm honored.  Maybe I can list it as citation in my Faculty Activities
Report. ;-)

Publish or Perish Steve


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/28/03 09:52AM 
Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Steve Desjardins wrote:

 But remember the PDML battle cry:
 
 Any idiot can buy a Canon or a Nikon, but it take's a special kind
of
 idiot to buy a Pentax!

Hey Mark Roberts! Does this qualify for your
The Collected Wisdom of the PDML?  ;-)

You're reading my mind!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com 



RV, was Re: PDMLers to RV in Scotland

2003-07-28 Thread Steve Desjardins
This thread makes me think of the Sam Neil in The Hunt for Red
October.  He plays Borodin, the second in command of a defecting
Russian sub, and he's talking about living in Montana and getting a
pick-up truck, or maybe a recreational vehicle.  And, of course, we
have the attack RV from Stripes.





Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/27/03 09:03AM 


 Hi, Boris,

 Just to be more specific, RV stand for Recreation Vehicle, more or
less
a self
 contained, motorized camping trailer.  Usually driven by retired
folks,
who've
 sold the family home, and are spending their golden years,
travelling
(well, I
 was being funny, but lots of folks do that).

As a matter of fact, we had our pop-up at one of the campgrounds in
the
mountains here last year and got into a conversation with another
camper.
Turns out he was retired, paid his $1000.00 US for 6 months rent
(includes
water, electricity, sewage) there, and spent the other 6 months
(November-April) in his RV in Florida.

Ours, being a folding trailer with fabric sides, wouldn't be suitable
for
this type of camping, but sure does serve us well for weekend trips
to the
mountains.

Bill




Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread T Rittenhouse
I like Nikon's top line cameras, throughly hate everything else they make.
While most Pentax lens are very good pictorially, I really like the older
Pentax bodies the best of any I have used (quite a few). I still think the
MX is the epiphany of 35mm SLRs.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Seems to me if you aren't intending to use Pentax lenses, you may as well
be
 shooting with a Nikon.





RE: Back from the Art Wars: A report

2003-07-28 Thread Steve Desjardins
Congratulations. I suspect that this is the most satisfying kind of
photography to do, although it's hard to make a living that way if it's
like what my other artist friends go though.

You'll have to start wearing a beret.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: MZ-5n vs MZ-6

2003-07-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

My reply is between lines of your message.

1. -5n has penta prism, -6 has penta mirror. For instance recently I
mounted M 35/2.8 and observed heavy vignetting in the viewfinder of 
-6
with somewhat less vignetting in case of -5n - my co-worker has one,
so I could try.
What do you mean by that? Could you see the lens from the viewfinder?
Or do you mean that you see less from the viewfinder than what you
actually shoot on the film? Or sth else?
No, but the corners of the image in the viewfinder were considerably 
darker than they should have been. Though when one looks at real world 
image, not the uniformly lit and colored wall in their office this 
effect is hardly noticeable on any of the cameras.

2. -5n has 0.8 magnification while -6 has only 0.7.
I noticed that the -6 is even smaller than the -50 (0.77).

Would the magnifier make any difference? Or is it unsuitable for
general photography?
http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/focusing/magnifier-FB.jpg
I think it will be cumbersome to use. Also I have to wear glasses all 
the time, so magnifier could be a trouble for me. Though I never used 
one so I can only speculate.

There are few things that 5n can do and 6 cannot:

1. 5n has KAF2 mount, so that it can read MTF data from the lens and 
set up exposure to gain the best from the lens. 6 has KAF mount and it 
seems that it cannot do that. That's of course provided the lens 
submits the MTF data to the body. I suppose most if not all 3rd party 
lenses cannot do that.

2. 5n seems to have more advanced DX film code reader. So supposedly 
it should be able to take into account film latitude while calculating 
the exposure. That's of course is film cartridge has necessary data. 6 
cannot do that.

3. There is an undocumented feature of 5n - you can actually set up 
flash output compensation on camera. On 6 it is tricky and I fear is 
not possible for all the lenses. FWIW, I seemed to be able to do it 
for old (non-A) lenses. Though once I think I succeeded with SMC FA 
50/1.7 too. It could be I am wrong on this one.

So you see, all these features are subtle in a sense. Using 6 you 
won't notice absence of any of them. At least not until you decide you 
must to change flash output. But these little things I suppose make 5n 
more like Ford Sierra and less like Nissan Almera, both being fine 
cameras/cars of their own right.

Ultimately, you would be able to shoot with either of the two and most 
probably you'd enjoy whatever camera you choose. But still, I think 
one deserves to make an educated decision...

Man, I got wordy again... grin

Boris



Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Keith Whaley
Heh, heh...
Check this one out, gentlemen!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2941840935category=3344

keith whaley

T Rittenhouse wrote:
 
 Nah, these days a SMC Pentax-M 40/2.8 goes for $150 or so on Ebay. At one
 time it was the darling of Japanese collectors and was going for $300+. If
 you had bought one new it would have been a grand investment. They are nice,
 super compact lenses, but really nothing special, except for the focal
 length and size.
 
 Ciao,
 Graywolf
 http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:48 PM
 Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
 
  Speaking of Pentax lenses, isn't the infamous 40mm pancake lens part
  of that mystique? Or is it a 43mm?
  I just saw a 40mm Olympus 'pancake' lens offered on eBay for something
  like $750 or more, with the 'opinion' of others of GRAB it!
  Is that in the range of the Pentax lens, or is it a bit high?
  I don't buy many new lenses, and I have no sense of value in present day
  new lenses...
 
  keith whaley

[...]



Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner - clarification

2003-07-28 Thread brooksdj
 Anyway, I think I will have to rely on the 
fact 
that 2400 should be 
 enough for my purposes. I know from one experiment that at least 30x40 
 cm print outs come out just fine.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Boris

Boris.
If you dont go over 8x10 the 2450 Epson should be fine.Its a pretty decent scanner for 
the
money and 
it has the option of MF and LF scans.I'm finding the MF slide scans are pretty good.So
much so that the 
6x7 may replace most of my 35mm equipment soon.Not all but most.
Now if i can only find out how much the D2H will sell for.vbg

Dave




Re: WOOOHOOO again

2003-07-28 Thread Brendan
Actually it is that one, small city lol.

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
Now the english version
  
  http://www.torphoto.net/images/tearsheet4s.jpg
  
  tho it sucks in BW
 
 I think it looks ok in BW.Is that the one on Leslie
 at Eglinton Ave?If so i surveyed that
 one.lol
 
 Dave  
 
  

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Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner

2003-07-28 Thread T Rittenhouse
Well, I picked up a HP S20xi film scanner from www.globalcomputers.com for
$69 ($80 with shipping). Even after paying import duty on $69 that ought to
be cheap enough. Not a pro type film scanner, but certainly good enough for
the web and 8x10s.

A photo taken with my Ebay purchased MX and scanned on it is at:
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto/_images/St%20Luke's%20Chapel.jpg

The MX I would rate at about a 7 and needs a thorough going through, the
winder that came with it is near mint. Since KEH wants more than I paid for
it for an ex+ winder, I guess I did OK. I know I did OK on the scanner.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner


 On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:51:02 +0200
   Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you want top results, and don't want to spend hours hand-cleaning
 every
 scan of dust and scratches, you'd better buy specialized film scanner
 for
 similar to 3200 price - like Nikon Coolscan IV or Minolta Dimage Scan
 Elite
 II.

 That's exactly the point. I don't want top results since I am quite
 far from being able to earn money from my photography. However the
 results I've been seeing and ocassionally getting from my friend's
 Epson 2450 are definitely acceptable.

 I am going to verify prices on Nikon Coolscan LS-40. It sounds like a
 good alternative to Epson flatbeds...

 Boris





Re: RV, was Re: PDMLers to RV in Scotland

2003-07-28 Thread Keith Whaley
One of my absolutely favorite movies, bar none...
Poor Borodin...he didn't make it. I think he asked to be buried in
Montana, however.

keith

Steve Desjardins wrote:
 
 This thread makes me think of the Sam Neil in The Hunt for Red
 October.  He plays Borodin, the second in command of a defecting
 Russian sub, and he's talking about living in Montana and getting a
 pick-up truck, or maybe a recreational vehicle.  And, of course, we
 have the attack RV from Stripes.
 
 Steven Desjardins
 Department of Chemistry
 Washington and Lee University
 Lexington, VA 24450
 (540) 458-8873
 FAX: (540) 458-8878
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[...]



Spotmatic F and metering

2003-07-28 Thread Cedric Milan
Hello,

I've recently acquired a SPF with an SMC 55mm lens and shot a test roll to
make sure things worked as advertised.  From what I could tell things worked
well with the meter giving me accurate readings for 125 ISO film.  I then
acquired a SMC 135mm lens and shot another test roll, this time in color at
ISO 100.

1)  I noticed this time that the meter readings never dipped to the
underexposed area in the finder, no matter what the setting.

2) Most if not all the pictures were under exposed.


Other than bad eyesight or stupidity, what are some reasons that the meter
would give erroneous readings in regards to exposure?  (I have read that
stray light can enter from the eyepiece, however I've tried to emulate this
and it does not effect the reading).  Might I have a physical camera issue?
The meter reacts consistently no matter what the lens.

Thanks for your help,

Cedric Milan



Re: Spotmatic F and metering

2003-07-28 Thread John Dallman
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Cedric Milan) wrote:

 Other than bad eyesight or stupidity, what are some reasons that the 
 meter would give erroneous readings in regards to exposure?  (I have 
 read that stray light can enter from the eyepiece, however I've tried 
 to emulate this and it does not effect the reading).  Might I have a 
 physical camera issue? The meter reacts consistently no matter what 
 the lens.

Try taking readings at 25, 50, 100, 200 and 400 ASA and see if it seems to 
be bad at 100. If so, you might have a bad spot on the variable resistor 
under the shutter/ASA knob. 

One other thing to check: you don't have the stop-down switch pushed up, 
do you? It latches up, and stays there until you take it off again.

--- 
John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Spotmatic F and metering

2003-07-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
The 135 lens is probably not a Super Multi Coated version. Most of the Super
Multi Coated screwmount lenses have an aperture coupling for the Spotmatic F
that stops down the lens when metering or shooting. With other Takumar or Super
Tak lenses, you have to manually stop down.

Cedric Milan wrote:

 Hello,

 I've recently acquired a SPF with an SMC 55mm lens and shot a test roll to
 make sure things worked as advertised.  From what I could tell things worked
 well with the meter giving me accurate readings for 125 ISO film.  I then
 acquired a SMC 135mm lens and shot another test roll, this time in color at
 ISO 100.

 1)  I noticed this time that the meter readings never dipped to the
 underexposed area in the finder, no matter what the setting.

 2) Most if not all the pictures were under exposed.

 Other than bad eyesight or stupidity, what are some reasons that the meter
 would give erroneous readings in regards to exposure?  (I have read that
 stray light can enter from the eyepiece, however I've tried to emulate this
 and it does not effect the reading).  Might I have a physical camera issue?
 The meter reacts consistently no matter what the lens.

 Thanks for your help,

 Cedric Milan



#9 Reminder

2003-07-28 Thread tom
When: Tonight, 7:30
Where: Hard Times College Park
http://www.hardtimes.com/collegepark.htm

There's looking to be a good turnout...so far 4 or 5 people have
RSVP'd. Unfortunately, I have to bail out.

Have fun.

tv




Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Pål Jensen
Raimo wrote:

A 4.5/80-200 SMC-M Pentax would fit your needs very well - if you can find one. Very 
sharp and contrasty (mine was sharper than 4/200 SMC-M Pentax that I had before it). 
Not expensive.


REPLY:

You're the second, if not the third, who claims the M 80-200/4.5 is better than the M 
200/4. The M zoom represent the first generation of Pentax zooms that really took off 
saleswise. Almost certainly because it was quite good. The M zooms is not at all a 
shabby lens optically. Recommended as a budget zoom. 


Pål






AF cameras as manual bodies (WAS: Now: Pentax and Us)

2003-07-28 Thread Pål Jensen
Steve wrote:

With all of this in mind, I tried shooting a bit using the MZ-S in full
manual mode.  It works really well this way, and I find the speed dial
very convenient to spin while I'm looking through the camera.  I do like
the viewfinder better on the MX, however, especially the split prism. 
Nonetheless, I think I have a new appreciation for the MZ-S interface as
a bridge between the robocam and the older style SLR's.  Certainly the
MZ-S and the MX make a nice combination.


REPLY:
Thats almost certainly the rationale behind the MZ-S interface. Incidentally, the Z-1p 
is Pentax best manual camera if you by manual camera mean the ability to be in total 
and excact control, as opposed to wanting a camera from a certain era with certain 
feature set. Precise spotmetering, the ability to set exposure in 1/3s increments 
manually and an exposure readout scale in 1/3s increments, all possible to set with 
the eye to the finder, is hard to beat. 
The MZ-S is usurpassed if you want full manual control with the option of effordless 
switch to aperture priority auto. 

Pål





OT: Having to buy a scanner - clarification

2003-07-28 Thread Butch Black
I just got the Sept. issue of Shutterbug magazine. They had a review on the
3200. The improvements may be worth saving up for. Basically they said that
the 35mm scans were as good or better then a 2800 PPI dedicated film
scanner, The one caveat is that the Silverfast AI 6 is much better then the
SE version and they recommend either getting the Pro ($600) version of the
3200 or plan on upgrading SE to AI 6. If you get Shutterbug over there you
might want to pick up a copy and read the review.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hess (Demian)




Re: KX voted Top Stealth Camera?

2003-07-28 Thread Alan Chan
I also have a few KX but did not compare them to MXs.  What amazes me is 
that they all have a different sound.  One of them is very special as it 
produces a high frequency resonance.  Different shutter batches?  
Mechanical variations in the mechanism?
Perhaps it's time for CLA?

regards,
Alan Chan
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Re: MZ-5n vs MZ-6

2003-07-28 Thread Alan Chan
No, but the corners of the image in the viewfinder were considerably darker 
than they should have been. Though when one looks at real world image, not 
the uniformly lit and colored wall in their office this effect is hardly 
noticeable on any of the cameras.
There is something about the M/A35/2.8. MX with SE-20 or Beattie Intenscreen 
also suffered from heavy vignetting with the viewfinder too when using this 
lens. None of my other lenses have similar problem.

Would the magnifier make any difference? Or is it unsuitable for
general photography?
I have found the usability of magnifier (mine is Magnifier F) is much 
depends on the viewfinder quality. If the viewfinder sucks, the magnifier 
doesn't provide much help. Also, the viewing quality of the Magnifier F is 
much better when not wearing glasses.

Btw, based on the spec of these 2 magnifiers, the FB seems to be made bigger 
so it can be flipped up even with AF cameras. The F can't (can do only with 
small prism cameras like MX). But I have never seen the FB so I cannot be 
100% certain.

regards,
Alan Chan
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Re: Back from the Art Wars: A report

2003-07-28 Thread frank theriault
I've got an extra beret or two, if Mark needs one.

BTW, congrats, Mark, not only on it being a profitable and educational
weekend, but especially on your prize for best body of work!  That's
excellent.

cheers,
frank

Steve Desjardins wrote:

 snipYou'll have to start wearing a beret.

 Steven Desjardins
 Department of Chemistry
 Washington and Lee University
 Lexington, VA 24450
 (540) 458-8873
 FAX: (540) 458-8878
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer




Re: Back from the Art Wars: A report

2003-07-28 Thread Herb Chong
congratulations on a successful show. how many other booths were there at the art 
show? did they have minimum standards for the booths and if so, how much did you have 
to bring yourself? how much inventory did they require you to have? two or three 
months ago, Shutterbug did an article on art shows for a living and some of the 
startup costs they mentioned seemed pretty high.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:50
Subject: Back from the Art Wars: A report


 This past weekend I did my first art show and it went pretty well.
 Enough so that I'm planning on doing more of them.





Re: OT - comments requested

2003-07-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele
frank theriault wrote:

 I can't ever put this into PUG, as it weren't taken with a Pentax.  But,
 I kind of like it, so I put in a request for critique on Photo.net.  So
 far, I don't think they get it:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1639375size=lg


It's a fine shot, Frank.  They don't get it.
I'm registering on Photo.net now for the first time.  Hardly been at PDML
much these days -
sort my inbox by subject and almost randomly click on something - more often
OT than not :)

Keep clicking
annsan



Re: OT Photoshop Question

2003-07-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Peter Alling wrote:

 I find that you can't paste the © into photoshop from the character
 map.  The Alt key
 should work though.

In photo deluxe 4.0 you can get the © from a word processor and cut and paste
it into
the pull down Text box. then put it in your image.
(In my version of word, the program auto-corrects (c) to ©)

annsan



 At 11:48 PM 7/18/03 -0400, you wrote:
   -Original Message-
   From: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
   Hi Guys,
  
   Where do I find the copyright symbol to use in Photoshop? I
   needed to use it
   in a text layer and I'm using 6.0 on a PC, windows xp if it matters.
 
 On a PC it's usually ALT-0169. Just hit 0169 while holding down the
 ALT key.
 
 You can always check the character map under accessories-systems
 tools for the specific character you want in a particular font.
 
 --
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 www.bigdayphoto.com
 301-758-3085

 To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is
 designed by
  the post office, even the sleaze.
  O'Rourke, P.J.



Re: Spotmatic F and metering

2003-07-28 Thread Rfsindg
Battery OK?
Did you use negative film?
I try to test with slides.
Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I've recently acquired a SPF with an SMC 55mm lens and shot a test roll to
 make sure things worked as advertised.  From what I could tell things worked
 well with the meter giving me accurate readings for 125 ISO film.  I then
 acquired a SMC 135mm lens and shot another test roll, this time in color at
 ISO 100.
 
 1)  I noticed this time that the meter readings never dipped to the
 underexposed area in the finder, no matter what the setting.
 
 2) Most if not all the pictures were under exposed.
 
 
 Other than bad eyesight or stupidity, what are some reasons that the meter
 would give erroneous readings in regards to exposure?  (I have read that
 stray light can enter from the eyepiece, however I've tried to emulate this
 and it does not effect the reading).  Might I have a 
 physical camera issue?
 The meter reacts consistently no matter what the lens.



Re: Back from the Art Wars: A report

2003-07-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

congratulations on a successful show. how many other booths 
were there at the art show? 

I'd guess about 20 but I didn't get much of a chance to look around. (An
assistant would be good to have for this and other reasons.)

did they have minimum standards for the booths and if so, how much did 
you have to bring yourself? how much inventory did they require you to 
have? 

It was a juried show, so there were requirements for the quality of work
(I didn't see any rubbish at any of the booths near me - pretty good
stuff for the most part) but no requirements for *quantity* of material.

two or three months ago, Shutterbug did an article on art shows for a 
living and some of the startup costs they mentioned seemed pretty high.

I made my 12 x 18 and 12 x 16 display prints (framed) for a local
exhibit last month. For the show I made 50 5 x 7 prints in 8 x 10 mats
and 20 8 x 12 prints in 12 x 16 mats and bought polyethylene bags to put
them in.

I'd say that my overall costs were under $1000.00 total. And I still
have all but one of the framed prints left and a very healthy stock of 5
x 7 and 8 x 12 prints.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Back from the Art Wars: A report

2003-07-28 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've got an extra beret or two, if Mark needs one.

BTW, congrats, Mark, not only on it being a profitable and educational
weekend, but especially on your prize for best body of work!  That's
excellent.

Thanks Frank. It was really good affirmation after all I've been through
in the past few months. Of course, whenever my ego starts to get too
inflated I just have to visit the PUG to get humbled!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: OT: Having to buy a scanner - clarification

2003-07-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't use Silverfast. I use PhotoShop with the Epson plug in. I don't
think you need the Pro version of the 3200 if you're a PhotoShop user.
Paul

Butch Black wrote:
 
 I just got the Sept. issue of Shutterbug magazine. They had a review on the
 3200. The improvements may be worth saving up for. Basically they said that
 the 35mm scans were as good or better then a 2800 PPI dedicated film
 scanner, The one caveat is that the Silverfast AI 6 is much better then the
 SE version and they recommend either getting the Pro ($600) version of the
 3200 or plan on upgrading SE to AI 6. If you get Shutterbug over there you
 might want to pick up a copy and read the review.
 
 Butch
 
 Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.
 
 Hermann Hess (Demian)



Letter from Scotland - Day 3

2003-07-28 Thread Cotty
Gianfranco and Veronica left this morning and headed south where they may
or may not have met with Mike Wilson. I think he was keen to, and Mike
had asked, but as they were travelling around virtually all of the UK,
communications were not perhaps easiest to administer.

And so to the business of the day. Alma and I had some business in
Inverness at 11.30 am, the nature of which will be revealed on Day 5, so
watch this space. The business over, we headed out from Inverness down
Loch Ness and arrived at Drumnadrochit where we had outrageously
expensive sandwiches in the Nessie Cafe. Fortunately the place redeemed
itself on the Nessie Experience thing with AV presentations on the
history of the loch and what Nessie may or may not be.

Jostein's wife Vera suggested a boat voyage would be the natural
conclusion to the trip and we duly set out on an hour's excursion over
the deepest bit. Here's some useless facts:

Loch Ness is:

- 22 odd miles long by a mile wide at it's widest and nearly 300 metres
deep at the deepest

(note British lunacy at mixing imperial and metric measurements - only we
could do this)

- is by far the largest freshwater supply in the UK, containing more
water than all other freshwater supplies in England, Wales and Scotland
put together

- contains enough volume to swallow every human being on Earth 3 times over

- a license to print money for local businesses

- great to just sit and watch over.just in case.

Many photographs were taken on the trip and we were treated such charms
as a pair of F-15 fighters screaming along at warp 9 and 63 feet, a few
other boats containing people taking photographs of us - as we were them
- and awesome views of castle ruins, picturesque reflections, and the
back of Jostein's head as he wielded his PZ-1 and Sigma 70-200 f/2.8

Inverness itself seems a charming town and warrants further exploration
on foot, which we may get the chance to do tomorrow. Upcoming highlights
will hopefully include a funicular railway ride to the top of Cairngorm
Mountain, doyen of the ski-set in the winter months, given over to fair-
weather photographers like us at this time of year ;-)

It's such a beautiful place and the people are all so friendly. I think
my SO summed it up quite well. Hmmm, she mused. I could live here.

Coming from her, praise indeed.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Back from the Art Wars: A report

2003-07-28 Thread Herb Chong
yes, i remember you mentioning the gallery display. so you didn't make any new framed 
prints for this show? i was wondering about the booth display itself i guess because 
some art shows require a minimum quality of appearance of the booth in addition to 
whatever it is you sell. these art shows require that your booth's display be of a 
certain type and cleanliness of appearance. i'm referring to the walls and roof you 
put up. if you didn't have to do this, then it wasn't that kind of show. the 
Shutterbug article said that the typical walls/roof asked for people in those kind of 
art shows typically ran about $3-5K for the booth exclusive of the cost of your 
inventory. better quality materials making up the booth display increase sales. think 
of the circulating mall craft shows.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 18:37
Subject: Re: Back from the Art Wars: A report


 It was a juried show, so there were requirements for the quality of work
 (I didn't see any rubbish at any of the booths near me - pretty good
 stuff for the most part) but no requirements for *quantity* of material.
 
 two or three months ago, Shutterbug did an article on art shows for a 
 living and some of the startup costs they mentioned seemed pretty high.
 
 I made my 12 x 18 and 12 x 16 display prints (framed) for a local
 exhibit last month. For the show I made 50 5 x 7 prints in 8 x 10 mats
 and 20 8 x 12 prints in 12 x 16 mats and bought polyethylene bags to put
 them in.
 
 I'd say that my overall costs were under $1000.00 total. And I still
 have all but one of the framed prints left and a very healthy stock of 5
 x 7 and 8 x 12 prints.





RE: Letter from Scotland - Day 3

2003-07-28 Thread Amita Guha
Cotty, did you by any chance visit Urquhart Castle? Because I understand
there's a new visitor's center there. I was there back in 1993, did the
lake cruise and the Nessie Experience. Had a great time there. Inverness
really is a pretty little town.

Another piece of trivia I recall about the Loch...it's deep enough for
the Empire State Building to be completely submerged in it. :)

Amita



Re: RV, was Re: PDMLers to RV in Scotland

2003-07-28 Thread Doug Franklin
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:17:39 -0700, Keith Whaley wrote:

 [The Hunt for Red October is] One of my absolutely favorite
 movies, bar none...

I have to say it, though ... the book was better. :-)

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Pentax and young

2003-07-28 Thread Steve Larson
Refreshing story Jim. It is nice that even some young folk
want an aperture ring.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California


- Original Message - 
From: Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:54 AM
Subject: Pentax and young


 I was up at the International Rose Test Gardens taking some pictures that
I
 would include in a wedding package.  I noticed a young man watching me
work.
 He finally approached and I saw he had a Pentax ME with him.  He asked if
I
 was a pro (I'm not) and began peppering me with questions about
photography.
 I asked about his ME.  He owns that and a K1000.  He likes the fact that
 Pentax lenses have an aperture ring.  I immediately thought about all of
the
 comments about the new Pentax lenses coming out with out them.
 He had never seen or heard of an LX that I was using at the park.   He
loves
 photography and Pentaxes.  I told him about swap meets in the Portland
area
 and he said he will go to his first one in the fall and look for Pentax
 stuff.
 It was very refreshing to talk with a young person about the hobby that I
 have enjoyed for 40 years.  Photography is in flux now with digital.  I
 wonder what it will be like when he gets to be my age.

 Jim A.




Re: OT Photoshop Question

2003-07-28 Thread Doug Franklin
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:51:14 -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 In photo deluxe 4.0 you can get the © from a word processor and cut and paste
 it into
 the pull down Text box. then put it in your image.
 (In my version of word, the program auto-corrects (c) to ©)

In any Windows program, you can get the copyright symbol using the
numeric (ten-key) keypad.

1) Set NUM LOCK on
2) Press one of the ALT keys and hold it down
3) Type 0169 on the numeric keypad
4) Release the ALT key

Other special characters are available the same way, but I don't
remember the codes.  You can also start the Character Map program
that's in Start | Programs | Accessories folder, or the System Tools
subfolder of that one.  It shows the characters graphically, and you
can copy them to the clipboard from Character Map, then paste them into
the other program by pressing Shift-Ins or Ctrl-V.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





RE: OT Photoshop Question

2003-07-28 Thread Amita Guha
 Other special characters are available the same way, but I 
 don't remember the codes.  You can also start the Character 
 Map program that's in Start | Programs | Accessories folder, 

Or (in Windows) you can just go Start  Run and type charmap and
you'll get it. Just remember to make sure you're selecting the font
you're using in your photo editing program or else you might end up with
another character. :)



test

2003-07-28 Thread Scott Nelson
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Re: test

2003-07-28 Thread Steve Larson
pong
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California


- Original Message - 
From: Scott Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:01 PM
Subject: test


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Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Robert Leigh
I have found this website helpful.

http://www.concentric.net/~smhalpin/

Hope it helps.

Regards,

Robert
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Wunsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: Newbie Questions


 Hello,

 Let me first introduce myself.  I have been a Pentax owner for about 10
 years and am brand new to this list and still consider myself fairly new
to
 photography.  For the last 10 years I have done a considerable amount of
 nighttime lightning photography but I would like to broaden my horizons a
 bit.

 I currently have a Pentax K1000 paired up with a satisfactory 35-80 zoom
and
 a 50mm 1.4 lens.  I have about 8 other lenses ranging from 28mm to 500mm
 that I consider garbage for the most part.  They are Vivitars, Soligors,
 Tokinas and the like that I have not been very impressed with.

 With the exception of the first two lenses I mentioned, I was disappointed
 at the results of some of my photos I took in the beautiful state of
 Washington a few weeks back and decided I need to invest in some better
 lenses.

 My question relates to what other quality, yet affordable, lenses would
you
 recommend that I add to my arsenal?  I would love to hear your
 recommendations for both a nice wide angle lens along with a 80-200 zoom
and
 possibly a 400 to 500mm range zoom or telephoto.  Any thoughts are really
 appreciated.  Thank you for your time!

 Pat Wunsch
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Going Rate for A* 85mm f/1.4

2003-07-28 Thread Scott Nelson
What's a fair price for one of these anyway?

-Scott




Re: B/W PUG Favorites

2003-07-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Boris Liberman wrote:



 2.  Tourists  by Ann Sanfedele - I hope that if I were to call this
 one classic, it would not be understood as cliche, because I
 really mean anything but. Anyway, it is my favorite.

 Just my pennies worth.
 ---
 Boris Liberman
 www.geocities.com/dunno57

Worth much more to me...
Thank's for making my day  - I've been terribly under the gun with some
stuff and
had not even been aware that the Aug PUG was up.

Best,
ann




Re: B/W PUG Favorites

2003-07-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Lon Williamson wrote:

 Observations on this month's bw PUG:

 Another vote for Ann Sanfedele, who's work seems always to grab me,
 even in the thumbnails.  Bill Sawyer's shot is great, too.

(snip, snip)

Sorry I'm late to respond - thanks Lon, and I agree with you, too,  and Boris
about
Sawyer's shot being a stunner.  I tend not to do my comments publicly , but
I'll add a me too in there since we are both on the same page so to speak :)

Re the thumbnails -- I really work at finding images for the PUG that will
work at that size to some extent, so I'm especially pleased to have that
point made.

annsan




Re: B/W PUG Favorites

2003-07-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Joseph Tainter wrote:

 Yep, Ann and Mark take top honors this month. As does Mark's cat.

 It is interesting to observe how many PUG contributors are using older
 gear. What does this mean for Pentax?

 Joe

Thanks, Joe
For myself, I will have to confess that, although I am still using the
gear I took that
shot with, I took it in April of 1981 - so, um, thant kinda explains
:)

annsan



Re: Letter from Scotland - Day 3

2003-07-28 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Amita Guha
Subject: RE: Letter from Scotland - Day 3




 Another piece of trivia I recall about the Loch...it's deep enough for
 the Empire State Building to be completely submerged in it. :)


The Lower Arrow lake in BC is somewhat smaller on the surface than Loch
Ness, but they don't know precisely how deep it is, as they haven't been
able to find the bottom yet.
Somewhere over 3000 meters, apparently.

William Robb



Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Lillja
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions


 Sure, William - If you're willing and able to pay for them. But for a
 new photographer who may be on a limited budget, a third party lens
 (especially a prime in an extreme focal length) can be an excellent
 alternative.

 Are you that ad copy writer for Canon? If you're not shooting a Canon
 lens, do you really have a Canon camera? blah blah

Are you that moron troll that pops up to piss me off from time to time?
The only reason to shoot Pentax bodies is to get to use their lenses.
Otherwise, there are a whole bunch of better options out there.


 Marketing drivel at its best/worst

Wrongo, nutbar. Experience of a working photographer, whether at it's best
or worst, I don't know, but my customers never had a complaint.

William Robb



Re: KX voted Top Stealth Camera?

2003-07-28 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: KX voted Top Stealth Camera?



 I'd dare to respond to this one. It seems to me that each camera with
 fully mechanical shutter could have its own sound simply due to
 various levels of usage and hence various levels of shutter wear
 off...

 So naturally I think each camera would have to have a slightly
 different shutter release sound...

A former list contributor found that his camera sounded different depending
on which lens was mounted.

William Robb



Re: Low light camera (WAS: Re: Wanted Pentax SF1 parts)

2003-07-28 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Andre Langevin
Subject: Re: Low light camera (WAS: Re: Wanted Pentax SF1 parts)



 18 minutes on Auto?  A night of cityscapes must eat the batteries!

The LX with fresh batteries will give at least 6 hours of exposure on
untimed automatic.

William Robb