Re: Who else?

[graywolf]

No, there are no bears at GFM.
HA HA HA Ha Ha Ha ha ha ha...
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frank theriault wrote:

I'll probably pass out in the woods anyway.

There aren't any bears around there are there?  I mean other than Cotty 
and his bear costume...
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Re: A turning point?

[graywolf]

times 1.5, or tinmes 0.66 to go from digital to 35mmm.

frank theriault wrote:
I just remembered that a 40mm on the *istD isn't really a 40, is it?  
What would it be, like a 55 or so?

And, Len (or anyone else who would care to answer), what would a 50mm 
translate to in 35mm format terms?

Just curious.

thanks,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: A turning point?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:55:40 -0600
The F 50mm f/1.7 lens with the *ist D makes a great street shooting
combo, too. Especially if you don't use the battery grip on it when you
street shoot.
Len


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Re: Track and Confirm thru USPS

[Stan Halpin]

I tried the last time I shipped anything (the LX that went missing for a
while), was told "huh??"  I'll try again next time I ship something. Thanks!

Stan

on 11/30/03 11:32 PM, Ann Sanfedele at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Stan Halpin wrote:
> 
>> on 11/26/03 11:56 AM, Shel Belinkoff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.usps.com/shipping/trackandconfirm.htm
>>> 
>>> Works for me ...
>>> 
>> 
>> .. snip...
>> Q. Which services provide delivery information online?
>> A. Delivery Confirmation service, Signature Confirmation service, Certified
>> Mail and Registered Mail provide delivery information online. These are
>> add-on services that are purchased at the time of mailing.
>> 
>>  snip
>> 
>> I still don't see any indication that I can get a Tracking service when I
>> use Priority Mail.
>> 
>> Stan
> 
> Stan, is it possible you simply have not purchased a delivery confirmation
> slip
> at time of mailing?  It costs 45 cents, is a two part lime green and white
> form.
> 
> the receipt you get has a 20 digit number on it.
> Then you just go to the home page of the USPS and there is a little box
> on the right that says TRACK AND CONFIRM and asks you to type in the
> "label" number and hit go.
> 
> They put it on their opening page now that the holidays are coming up
> 
> But you can't track priority without buying either that lime green one or
> the pink signature confirm.
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: speaking of Limited lenses....

[Stan Halpin]

on 12/01/03 9:53 PM, jmb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Christian Skofteland wrote:
>> I hope someone on the list got this one.  Not cheap but it's BLACK.
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2967325955&category=48558&;
>> rd=1
>> 
>> And check this one out as well (maybe one day I'll win the lottery)
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2968279672&category=48558&;
>> rd=1
>> 
>> Christian Skofteland
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> 
> 
> How do you get the "to fit Pentax" category in ebay search?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
I usually just search for Pentax. If I get bored looking at all of the
battery and camera case offers, I might try Pentax lens, or Pentax Limited,
or Pentax Macro, or Pentax zoom, etc. IMHO, the Categories are worthless, a
straight keyword search is far more useful.

Stan

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Stan Halpin]

OK, east on I-70 to Belleville IL, on east to Indy where I would like to
hang a right turn, down to Kentucky or Tennessee, and then on across...

I can hear it now. "No officer, that is not moonshine in the funny jug. Who
would carry moonshine TO North Carolina? This is a special lens cleaner that
we professional camera dudes use..."

Stan

on 12/01/03 7:14 PM, Len Paris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If things work out as I hope, I'll be retired in time to go to GFM.
> Stan's travel from Kansas City probably passes right by my home in
> Belleville, IL.  Interstate 70 comes awfully close to me. If I do get to
> go, I'd be happy to bring a wee dram (or a half gallon) or so for all to
> sample.
> 
> Are you reading this, Stan?
> 
> Len
> * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:03 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
>> 
>> 
>> Hey Cotty, reckon Len will make some of these for us at GFM?
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:49 PM
>> Subject: RE: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
>> 
>> 
>>> Occasionally, I craft my own drinks.  Actually just mix
>> stuff together
>>> and see how it tastes.  My most recent endeavor is one I
>> call "Pucker
>>> Power".  It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1
>> part Everclear.
>>> The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95%
>> (190 proof).
>>> Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that
>> is 83.33 proof
>>> and tastes pretty good.  It is nothing to overdo, however.
>>> 
>>> Len
>>> * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
>>> 
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:45 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Bob Walkden wrote:
 
> 
> Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to
> Crimean, I'd guess.
> 
> Into the Napa Valley of Death!
 
 The ones I've had have been tolerable but had insufferably
 cute names. 
 And picture of kids and flowers on the label.  Makes the
>> bottles of
 vodka with holographic labels seem quite tasteful.
 
 I seem to remember that the Ukranian wine had a battle
>> picture on the
 label.
 
 m
 The Heavy Brigade
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: istD and old primes

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Waterson"
Subject: Re: istD and old primes


> This one time, at band camp, "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Or simply use the D in manual mode and use a hand held meter.
>
> I put on the prime 135mm 2.5-22 lense and all I get is a flashing
>
> Av - -
>
> in the LCD panel. I set it to Manual focus and M on the dial,
> but nothin works, cannot even make it take a photo.
>
> What might this be?

Might be you haven't got the inscrutable custom function that allows the
camera to release the shutter with the aperture ring off A set to allow the
shutter to operate with the aperture off A.

William Robb

Re: istD and old primes

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp, "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Or simply use the D in manual mode and use a hand held meter.

I put on the prime 135mm 2.5-22 lense and all I get is a flashing

Av - -

in the LCD panel. I set it to Manual focus and M on the dial,
but nothin works, cannot even make it take a photo.

What might this be?

Kind regards
Kevin

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Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Treena]

At least I'm not the only one who's ever heard of it (or tasted it). Takes
me back to college and some of the Gawd-awful stuff we drank then. Sorry to
admit, I have a bottle in the fridge some one brought over for laughs. It
has a police evidence label stuck to the back of it. It is unopened, and I
have every intention of it remaining that way.

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)


> Mad Dog 20-20.
>
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:02:12 -0600, Paul Sorenson wrote:
>
> > Don't forget Ripple, Boones Farm and Annie Green Springs.

Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited

[Herb Chong]

40 lp/mm is about 1000lp/inch - requires a little over 2000 dpi to recover,
3000dpi if you want to be really conservative.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited


> > The REAL resolving power
> of the
> > sensor will be (way) below that due to the geometry of the sensor
pixels,
> maybe
> > somewhere around 40.
>
> In real life, thats probably all you are getting out of a camera lens
> anyway.

Re: A turning point?

[Shel Belinkoff]

Frank ...

Multiply the focal length by 1.6 and you'll be real close ...

frank theriault wrote:

> I just remembered that a 40mm on the *istD isn't really a 40, is it?  What
> would it be, like a 55 or so?
>
> And, Len (or anyone else who would care to answer), what would a 50mm
> translate to in 35mm format terms?
>

Re: A turning point?

[Christian Skofteland]

multiply by 1.5.  a 40mm would be 60mm and a 50mm would be 75mm

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:59 PM
Subject: RE: A turning point?


> I just remembered that a 40mm on the *istD isn't really a 40, is it?  What
> would it be, like a 55 or so?
>
> And, Len (or anyone else who would care to answer), what would a 50mm
> translate to in 35mm format terms?
>
> Just curious.
>
> thanks,
> frank
>

Re: Who else?

[frank theriault]

I'll probably pass out in the woods anyway.

There aren't any bears around there are there?  I mean other than Cotty and 
his bear costume...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who else?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:37:44 -0500
We've got plenty of time to work out sleeping arrangements.
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Re: I'm back

[jmb]

Tiger,

Which SM lenses?  The Super and SMC Taks?  or earlier non automatic 
diaphragm lenses?

Thanks,

John

Tiger Moses wrote:

Been around...always shooting the Pentax (or my Russian cams),
but I joined back tonite because I got my new *ist-D next to me!
I am so pleased!   Every lens I own will work on it!
Rephrase, I can use every lens I own to take photos on it!
Ofcourse the A, FA, KAF, KAF2 work as expected.

My manual focus Tamron 300/2.8 works in A mode
with its matched 2X, it also works
and either way above with the Pentax 1.7X-AF - also works!
My M lenses work with just a tiny adjustment in the Custom settings

My Screw mount lenses work with the adapter

My RUSSIAN and Carl Zeiss Jena medium format lenses work even.
I tried everything from my Arsat 30mm to Sonnar 180mm & Sonnar 300mm and 
even my huge
Pentacon 500/5.6f worked because I have a pentacon to screw mount 
adapter that then works with my
screw to K!

My Pentax 15mm/3.5A worked fine, the Limited shoot beautifully.

I think its over priced compared to comparible cameras, but its the onyl 
DSLR with a K mount,
so its exactly what I need!

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Bob Blakely]

Night Train

Regards,
Bob...
--
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From: "Paul Sorenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Don't forget Ripple, Boones Farm and Annie Green Springs.
> 
> From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Ahhh, the college days and Old Mr. Mack at 79 cents a quart.

Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.

[frank theriault]

Hey, that ~was~ a great answer.  Remember, it all started with a good 
straight man...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:24:47 -0500
ROFLMAO

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RE: A turning point?

[frank theriault]

I just remembered that a 40mm on the *istD isn't really a 40, is it?  What 
would it be, like a 55 or so?

And, Len (or anyone else who would care to answer), what would a 50mm 
translate to in 35mm format terms?

Just curious.

thanks,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: A turning point?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:55:40 -0600
The F 50mm f/1.7 lens with the *ist D makes a great street shooting
combo, too. Especially if you don't use the battery grip on it when you
street shoot.
Len
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Re: speaking of Limited lenses....

[jmb]

Christian Skofteland wrote:
I hope someone on the list got this one.  Not cheap but it's BLACK.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2967325955&category=48558&rd=1

And check this one out as well (maybe one day I'll win the lottery)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2968279672&category=48558&rd=1

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

How do you get the "to fit Pentax" category in ebay search?

John

Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.

[Christian Skofteland]

That's Geoff with my *ist-D with Cesar's 31 Limited  What a sweet, sweet
combo

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.


> Who is that on the right edge of the frame?  Looks like an *ist D with
grip
> and a Limited lens.
>
> Bill
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:29 PM
> Subject: RE: Some of my November PDML recordings.
>
>
> > > > 
>
>

Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.

[Bill Owens]

ROFLMAO

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.


> Hi,
> 
> Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 12:04:10 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > Who's John Holmes?  (he asks innocently)
> 
> Sherlock Holmes's longer brother...
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
>  Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 

1 gigapixel digital image

[J. C. O'Connell]

http://www.tawbaware.com/maxlyons/gigapixel.htm

Pretty amazing accomplishment

JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Doug Franklin]

Mad Dog 20-20.

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:02:12 -0600, Paul Sorenson wrote:

> Don't forget Ripple, Boones Farm and Annie Green Springs.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
> 
> 
> > Ahhh, the college days and Old Mr. Mack at 79 cents a quart.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: *ist D battery behavior

[bucky]

I'll scan it and send it to you if you want.

Quoting mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi,
> 
> Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
> > Where I can found the grip owner manuaal to download ??
> 
> http://www.pentax.com/docstore/index.cfm?show=6
> 
> Lists the camera manual but not the grip, yet.  Might be worth visiting
> regularly.
> 
> mike
> 




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Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Paul Sorenson]

Don't forget Ripple, Boones Farm and Annie Green Springs.

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)


> Ahhh, the college days and Old Mr. Mack at 79 cents a quart.
> 
> Bill
> 

Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 12:04:10 AM, you wrote:

> Who's John Holmes?  (he asks innocently)

Sherlock Holmes's longer brother...

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Projector lights as studio light source?

[graywolf]

With a zoom lens they make a pretty good focusing spotlight. In fact they were 
sometimes used for those shots where the is a bright circle on the darker 
backgroud that your used to see in advertising shots.

--

Lasse Karlsson wrote:
Hi all,

As mentioned in another thread I am about to try to set up a small kind of home studio.
Cleaning the garage today I found two old slide projectors that I haven't used for 
many, many years (hardly at all in fact). One is a Leitz Pradovit, the other maybe an 
Agfa.
Has anyone found any meaningful use for slide projector lights in a studio?
(The lights are strong (the Leitz one slightly yellowish), however I have no idea what temperature (Kelvin) they are or how films or a digital sensor perceives them.)

Thanks,
Lasse


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RE: Some of my November PDML recordings.

[tom]

That's Geoff.

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301-758-3085 

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.
> 
> 
> Who is that on the right edge of the frame?  Looks like an 
> *ist D with grip
> and a Limited lens.
> 
> Bill
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:29 PM
> Subject: RE: Some of my November PDML recordings.
> 
> 
> > > > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Who else?

[tom]

I have 2 backpacking tents if anyone is in need.

tv




> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Who else?
>
>
> We've got plenty of time to work out sleeping arrangements.
>  Don is bringing
> tent for Adelheid, maybe she and annsan will share it.
> BTW, counting the
> regulars who have been attending for at least the last 5
> years, looks like
> somewhere around 30 PDML'ers will be there.  Doug is
> bringing Don's 1000mm
> f8 and wooden tripod, and there will probably be an
> FA*600/4.0 there for us
> to play with.  If you're interested, there'll surely be an
> *ist D or 2
> available for you to play with.
>
> Bill
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Who else?
>
>
> > Or more to the point, whether Jostein would want to sleep
> with me (after a
> > couple of beers...)
> >
> > I'll be happy to do the tent thing.  I camped in a tent
> for many years.
> The
> > ex (then current) always wanted a tent trailer or RV, but
> I said "NO, real
> > campers use tents - we don't need no stinking RV's!".  We
> only had one air
> > mattress, so she used it.  "I'll sleep on the bare tent
> floors - I don't
> > need no stinking air mattress!"
> >
> > Of course, I woke up every morning with a sore back, but
> didn't dare say a
> > word...
> >
> > So, if it's a big enough tent, me and Cotty could do
> that, and I think (if
> > my calculations are correct) Jostein, Ann and Cesar would
> then have their
> > own beds in the trailer.
> >
> > But, only if it's a big enough tent...  
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
> >
> > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
> pessimist
> > fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: Who else?
> > >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:45:00 -0500
> > >
> > >If she comes, we'll work out something.  Dunno whether
> Frank or Cesar
> would
> > >want to sleep with Jostein :-)
> > >
> > >Bill
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bill Owens"
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:30 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Who else?
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 1/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> > > >
> > > > >- Original Message -
> > > > >From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:08 AM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Who else?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hmmm --
> > > > >> I can offer a crash pad for one or two PDML'rs
> headed south  -
> > > > >> might actually be able to go to the thing if I got
> a free ride
> > > > >> and cheap digs in NC
> > > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > Scrounge the tent and air mattress and I'll give up
> my bunk for
> Annsan.
> > > > I'll gladly have the tent - I've been camping many
> times and am used
> to
> > > > it. Ann's *city folk* (Jack Palance drawl from City
> Slickers) and
> won't
> > > > like walls that move ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >   Cotty
> > > >
> > > >
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RE: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Len Paris]

If things work out as I hope, I'll be retired in time to go to GFM.
Stan's travel from Kansas City probably passes right by my home in
Belleville, IL.  Interstate 70 comes awfully close to me. If I do get to
go, I'd be happy to bring a wee dram (or a half gallon) or so for all to
sample.

Are you reading this, Stan?

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:03 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
> 
> 
> Hey Cotty, reckon Len will make some of these for us at GFM?
> 
> Bill
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:49 PM
> Subject: RE: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
> 
> 
> > Occasionally, I craft my own drinks.  Actually just mix 
> stuff together
> > and see how it tastes.  My most recent endeavor is one I 
> call "Pucker
> > Power".  It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 
> part Everclear.
> > The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% 
> (190 proof).
> > Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that 
> is 83.33 proof
> > and tastes pretty good.  It is nothing to overdo, however.
> > 
> > Len
> >  * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
> >  
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:45 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Bob Walkden wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to
> > > > Crimean, I'd guess.
> > > > 
> > > > Into the Napa Valley of Death!
> > > 
> > > The ones I've had have been tolerable but had insufferably 
> > > cute names. 
> > > And picture of kids and flowers on the label.  Makes the 
> bottles of
> > > vodka with holographic labels seem quite tasteful.
> > > 
> > > I seem to remember that the Ukranian wine had a battle 
> picture on the
> > > label.
> > > 
> > > m
> > > The Heavy Brigade
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

RE: Some of my November PDML recordings.

[tom]

A google search should pick up some interesting links.

I wouldn't actually click on any of them.

tv



> -Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Some of my November PDML recordings.
> 
> 
> Who's John Holmes?  (he asks innocently)
> 
> -frank, pretending to be Ed McMahon (but without the 
> Publisher's Clearing 
> House cheque)
> 
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible 
> worlds.  The pessimist 
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >
> >Yeah, if you're John Holmes.
> >
> >tv
> >
> >
> >
> 
> _
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> 
> 

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Bill Owens]

Hey Cotty, reckon Len will make some of these for us at GFM?

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:49 PM
Subject: RE: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)


> Occasionally, I craft my own drinks.  Actually just mix stuff together
> and see how it tastes.  My most recent endeavor is one I call "Pucker
> Power".  It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 part Everclear.
> The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% (190 proof).
> Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that is 83.33 proof
> and tastes pretty good.  It is nothing to overdo, however.
> 
> Len
>  * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:45 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Bob Walkden wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to
> > > Crimean, I'd guess.
> > > 
> > > Into the Napa Valley of Death!
> > 
> > The ones I've had have been tolerable but had insufferably 
> > cute names. 
> > And picture of kids and flowers on the label.  Makes the bottles of
> > vodka with holographic labels seem quite tasteful.
> > 
> > I seem to remember that the Ukranian wine had a battle picture on the
> > label.
> > 
> > m
> > The Heavy Brigade
> > 
> 
> 
> 

RE: A turning point?

[Len Paris]

The F 50mm f/1.7 lens with the *ist D makes a great street shooting
combo, too. Especially if you don't use the battery grip on it when you
street shoot.

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> I think the *ist D (I didn't call it the StarkistD this time, 
> in deference 
> to the sensibilities of certain dog trainers from the 
> Heartland of the 
> Canadian Prairies ) with the 40mm Pancake will be an 
> outstanding combo. 
>   The physical size of that combo should work on the sreet 
> quite nicely, and 
> I really like the focal length for that type of work 
> (although I've lately 
> been playing with the 19mm for the street - talk about "in your face 
> photography!).  As you may recall, I have a 40mm Summicron C 
> on my Leica.
> 
> I'd really like to see what you're little baby can do for 
> you, Malcolm.  
> Time to take it out of the box, and start shooting (if you haven't 
> already)!!  Post away, even and especially if they're family pics.
> 
> cheers,
> frank

Re: Who else?

[Bill Owens]

No special arrangements, first come, first served in the picnic area.  If
you want to join Mark, you may want to ask Cesar to be your Sherpa :-)

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: Who else?


> if i come, i can bring my own tent. i do need to know the arrangements for
> siting the tent, etc. if i feel particularly foolish, i may try to join
Mark
> Roberts on top for some dawn shots.
>
> Herb
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Who else?
>
>
> > We've got plenty of time to work out sleeping arrangements.  Don is
> bringing
> > tent for Adelheid, maybe she and annsan will share it.  BTW, counting
the
> > regulars who have been attending for at least the last 5 years, looks
like
> > somewhere around 30 PDML'ers will be there.  Doug is bringing Don's
1000mm
> > f8 and wooden tripod, and there will probably be an FA*600/4.0 there for
> us
> > to play with.  If you're interested, there'll surely be an *ist D or 2
> > available for you to play with.
>
>
>

RE: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Len Paris]

Occasionally, I craft my own drinks.  Actually just mix stuff together
and see how it tastes.  My most recent endeavor is one I call "Pucker
Power".  It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 part Everclear.
The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% (190 proof).
Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that is 83.33 proof
and tastes pretty good.  It is nothing to overdo, however.

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1
 

> -Original Message-
> From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:45 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Bob Walkden wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to
> > Crimean, I'd guess.
> > 
> > Into the Napa Valley of Death!
> 
> The ones I've had have been tolerable but had insufferably 
> cute names. 
> And picture of kids and flowers on the label.  Makes the bottles of
> vodka with holographic labels seem quite tasteful.
> 
> I seem to remember that the Ukranian wine had a battle picture on the
> label.
> 
> m
> The Heavy Brigade
> 

Re: IR Mark on Lens

[Mark Roberts]

"Larry Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I'm thinking of getting a FA 28 mm 2.8 lens. Does it and other FA lens have
>the IR focus point on the lens?
>I do a lot of IR work.

Yes. The FA28/2.8AL does indeed have an IR focusing mark.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Who else?

[Herb Chong]

if i come, i can bring my own tent. i do need to know the arrangements for
siting the tent, etc. if i feel particularly foolish, i may try to join Mark
Roberts on top for some dawn shots.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Who else?


> We've got plenty of time to work out sleeping arrangements.  Don is
bringing
> tent for Adelheid, maybe she and annsan will share it.  BTW, counting the
> regulars who have been attending for at least the last 5 years, looks like
> somewhere around 30 PDML'ers will be there.  Doug is bringing Don's 1000mm
> f8 and wooden tripod, and there will probably be an FA*600/4.0 there for
us
> to play with.  If you're interested, there'll surely be an *ist D or 2
> available for you to play with.

Re: Who else?

[Bill Owens]

We've got plenty of time to work out sleeping arrangements.  Don is bringing
tent for Adelheid, maybe she and annsan will share it.  BTW, counting the
regulars who have been attending for at least the last 5 years, looks like
somewhere around 30 PDML'ers will be there.  Doug is bringing Don's 1000mm
f8 and wooden tripod, and there will probably be an FA*600/4.0 there for us
to play with.  If you're interested, there'll surely be an *ist D or 2
available for you to play with.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Who else?


> Or more to the point, whether Jostein would want to sleep with me (after a
> couple of beers...)
>
> I'll be happy to do the tent thing.  I camped in a tent for many years.
The
> ex (then current) always wanted a tent trailer or RV, but I said "NO, real
> campers use tents - we don't need no stinking RV's!".  We only had one air
> mattress, so she used it.  "I'll sleep on the bare tent floors - I don't
> need no stinking air mattress!"
>
> Of course, I woke up every morning with a sore back, but didn't dare say a
> word...
>
> So, if it's a big enough tent, me and Cotty could do that, and I think (if
> my calculations are correct) Jostein, Ann and Cesar would then have their
> own beds in the trailer.
>
> But, only if it's a big enough tent...  
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: Who else?
> >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:45:00 -0500
> >
> >If she comes, we'll work out something.  Dunno whether Frank or Cesar
would
> >want to sleep with Jostein :-)
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bill Owens"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:30 PM
> >Subject: Re: Who else?
> >
> >
> > > On 1/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> > >
> > > >- Original Message -
> > > >From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:08 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: Who else?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Hmmm --
> > > >> I can offer a crash pad for one or two PDML'rs headed south  -
> > > >> might actually be able to go to the thing if I got a free ride
> > > >> and cheap digs in NC
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Scrounge the tent and air mattress and I'll give up my bunk for
Annsan.
> > > I'll gladly have the tent - I've been camping many times and am used
to
> > > it. Ann's *city folk* (Jack Palance drawl from City Slickers) and
won't
> > > like walls that move ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >   Cotty
> > >
> > >
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>

IR Mark on Lens

[Larry Hodgson]

I'm thinking of getting a FA 28 mm 2.8 lens. Does it and other FA lens have
the IR focus point on the lens?
I do a lot of IR work.

Larry

Re: [new toy]

[Lukasz Kacperczyk]

> It's arrived Sylwek??

Yes, it has.

And I can confirm that he's smiling :-)

regards,
Lukasz

PS. I know I'm not Sylwek, but thought I'd answer anyway :-)

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Re: Who else?

[frank theriault]

Or more to the point, whether Jostein would want to sleep with me (after a 
couple of beers...)

I'll be happy to do the tent thing.  I camped in a tent for many years.  The 
ex (then current) always wanted a tent trailer or RV, but I said "NO, real 
campers use tents - we don't need no stinking RV's!".  We only had one air 
mattress, so she used it.  "I'll sleep on the bare tent floors - I don't 
need no stinking air mattress!"

Of course, I woke up every morning with a sore back, but didn't dare say a 
word...

So, if it's a big enough tent, me and Cotty could do that, and I think (if 
my calculations are correct) Jostein, Ann and Cesar would then have their 
own beds in the trailer.

But, only if it's a big enough tent...  

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who else?
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:45:00 -0500
If she comes, we'll work out something.  Dunno whether Frank or Cesar would
want to sleep with Jostein :-)
Bill

- Original Message -
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bill Owens"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Who else?
> On 1/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
>
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:08 AM
> >Subject: Re: Who else?
> >
> >
> >> Hmmm --
> >> I can offer a crash pad for one or two PDML'rs headed south  -
> >> might actually be able to go to the thing if I got a free ride
> >> and cheap digs in NC
>
> Bill,
>
> Scrounge the tent and air mattress and I'll give up my bunk for Annsan.
> I'll gladly have the tent - I've been camping many times and am used to
> it. Ann's *city folk* (Jack Palance drawl from City Slickers) and won't
> like walls that move ;-)
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
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Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.

[Cotty]

On 30/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>Well, I finally got some time to toss together a quick page with a few
>snapshots from the three PDML gatherings I attended while visiting up north
>this month.
>
>It can be seen at http://optiopics.homestead.com/nov2003.html.
>
>Comments always welcomed,

Nice one Cesar.

Pic of the pics:



WOW - what a great looker! Fantastic design, perfect size! The one on the
left



Christian is thinking 'Hmmm, yes, this is pretty cool'


;-)





Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>A few years ago I used to religiously follow UK supermarke twine guru
>Malcolm Gluck's advice in the Guardian newspaper ('Superplonk'). Accused
>of always recommending wine, he was challenged to do just the opposite
>and highlight wine that should be missed at every opportunity. The two
>columns he wrote, I cut out and have adorned our kitchen notice board for
>years. I present them here:
>
>[NOTE: written about 1992 or so - and taken tongue in cheek. And yes, we
>Brits get hammered as well - smile!]



>Regard all self-proclaiming organic wines with intense
>suspicion. 

I been told that there are some reputable California vineyards
(Kendall-Jackson being one) that produce all their wine entirely
organically... and put no indication of the fact on their labels or
anywhere in their advertising precisely because they believe it will
scare people off!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Projector lights as studio light source?

[Lasse Karlsson]

Hi all,

As mentioned in another thread I am about to try to set up a small kind of home studio.
Cleaning the garage today I found two old slide projectors that I haven't used for 
many, many years (hardly at all in fact). One is a Leitz Pradovit, the other maybe an 
Agfa.
Has anyone found any meaningful use for slide projector lights in a studio?

(The lights are strong (the Leitz one slightly yellowish), however I have no idea what 
temperature (Kelvin) they are or how films or a digital sensor perceives them.)

Thanks,
Lasse

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Bob Walkden wrote:

> 
> Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to
> Crimean, I'd guess.
> 
> Into the Napa Valley of Death!

The ones I've had have been tolerable but had insufferably cute names. 
And picture of kids and flowers on the label.  Makes the bottles of
vodka with holographic labels seem quite tasteful.

I seem to remember that the Ukranian wine had a battle picture on the
label.

m
The Heavy Brigade

Re: OT: PayPal alternative

[Mark Roberts]

"Peter Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> That's fine, but I object to the same company charging me two commission
>> fees as if they're two companies. They're not.
>>

>Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans?

Yes. And they're much less expensive than the name brand beans -
precisely because of the consolidation of the two parts of the business.
You've illustrated exactly the point I was trying to make (although more
clearly than I was able to).

>The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and manufacture of the
>beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split between the
>two companies.

Right. This is basically what's happened with the merger of eBay and Pay
Pal, only PayBay (or whatever we'll call the merged entity) isn't
"passing the savings along to you", as they say in the advertising
business.

Now there's no reason why they *have* to pass along the economies of
scale to their customers. There's no rule or law that says they're
required to. But there's no rule that says I have to like it either :)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

RE: Viewfinders and TTL on top

[John Daniele]

Not being an expert here but having these cameras helps the super a and
super program are the same camera, the super programs go for less money.
My opinion is these two cameras have the best viewfinder opposed to
MX,LX,ME SUPER , however the LX has the advantage of not having to cover
the view finder on the tripod. Light entering the finder on the other
listed cameras will affect exposure readings.

JD

-Original Message-
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Viewfinders and TTL on top


Having just been enabled with an AF080C, I thought I would ask a
question about people's opinions on an old (= cheap) Pentax with a
decent viewfinder and TTL. My background follows.

I have an MZ-50 and an MZ-5n. They are meant to differ a lot in
viewfinder capability, but I honestly cannot see the difference. I can
definitely see the difference between the viewfinder of the ME Super
and the MZs and also that the P30 (about to be sold, I hope) is
somewhere in between.

I had a look at the pages of the star known as Boj Dimitrov. It seems
that the only TTL-flash manual camera that costs less than my left
kidney is the super-A (surprisingly, the P series that succeeded the
super-A don't offer TTL flash). All AF cameras feature it. I have
followed previous discussions on the list about how size does not
matter much, it's other characteristics that matter to the brightness
of the viewfinder and thought to ask people their opinion on the
viewfinder abilities of the super-A, the SFs and the Zs compared to
the ME Super and the MZs (not the MZ-S though, which is supposed to
be as good as its price tag :-)

Thanks in advance,
Kostas

Re: Viewfinders and TTL on top

[William Johnson]

I only have the ME super and ZX5n to compare the Super A to, and it is
somewhere between the two of them.  Well, I actually have a P3n (same
viewfinder as a P30) and it is decidely better than that.  Probably closer
in brightness (but not quite) to the ME super with the magnification of the
P30.

Hope that helps.

William in Utah



- Original Message - 


> of the viewfinder and thought to ask people their opinion on the
> viewfinder abilities of the super-A, the SFs and the Zs compared to
> the ME Super and the MZs (not the MZ-S though, which is supposed to
> be as good as its price tag :-)
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Kostas
>
>

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

Monday, December 1, 2003, 9:52:47 PM, you wrote:

> Hi,

> Cotty wrote:

>> However, the most undrinkable concoction by several lengths of chalk is
>> the utterly murderous Crimean Red. 

> Tried it; don't agree.  Not a nice drink at all but Ukranian wine beats
> it by a long head.  Chinese wine comes in a close third.  Followed very
> closely by vodka made in Warrington...

Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to
Crimean, I'd guess.

Into the Napa Valley of Death!

Bob

Re: More lens problems

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, mike wilson wrote:

> £60 was way too cheap for a good example of that lens.

Well, that was ebay. Nobody else bidding on it knew it was a bad 'un.

> You could offer
> the guy £10 for the extension tube and the hood, as it is unlikely that
> you will find many others.

Err, my example does not have these either.

> Whatever Jessops ask, offer 10% less.  Always works for me.

Thanks, I am quite seasoned with Jessops.

Kostas

Viewfinders and TTL on top

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

Having just been enabled with an AF080C, I thought I would ask a
question about people's opinions on an old (= cheap) Pentax with a
decent viewfinder and TTL. My background follows.

I have an MZ-50 and an MZ-5n. They are meant to differ a lot in
viewfinder capability, but I honestly cannot see the difference. I can
definitely see the difference between the viewfinder of the ME Super
and the MZs and also that the P30 (about to be sold, I hope) is
somewhere in between.

I had a look at the pages of the star known as Boj Dimitrov. It seems
that the only TTL-flash manual camera that costs less than my left
kidney is the super-A (surprisingly, the P series that succeeded the
super-A don't offer TTL flash). All AF cameras feature it. I have
followed previous discussions on the list about how size does not
matter much, it's other characteristics that matter to the brightness
of the viewfinder and thought to ask people their opinion on the
viewfinder abilities of the super-A, the SFs and the Zs compared to
the ME Super and the MZs (not the MZ-S though, which is supposed to
be as good as its price tag :-)

Thanks in advance,
Kostas

RE: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative

[Bob Blakely]

Thanks, couldn't remember which.

Regards,
Bob...

"History is not a school-mistress. She does
 not teach. She is a prison matron who
 punishes for unlearned lessons."
 -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian
  

> From: Lewis Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> >From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> It's
> >similar to Ford buying a car (complete) from Mitsubishi with the 
> Ford name
> >on it from and selling it as a Ford.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Bob...
> 
> Just for the record, Daimler-Chrysler, not Ford, has a working agreement 
> with Mitsubishi.
> 
> Rumsfield speak deleted, because Rumsfield doesn't understand it 
> either.

Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Cotty wrote:

> However, the most undrinkable concoction by several lengths of chalk is
> the utterly murderous Crimean Red. 

Tried it; don't agree.  Not a nice drink at all but Ukranian wine beats
it by a long head.  Chinese wine comes in a close third.  Followed very
closely by vodka made in Warrington...

Did I send you the aussie whine jpeg?

mike

Re: More lens problems

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, mike wilson wrote:
> 
> > too.  Choose the one(s) you want.  Don't pay more than £120.  Probably
> > not a good idea to do this on a Saturday
> 
> Thanks for this. 120 is twice as much as I paid for the one I have
> (OK,plus P&P). Are you suggesting that I should shut up, cough up the
> 35 squid (sic) suggested by the technician and be done with it?

Leave the cephalopod molluscs alone 8-)

No, I'm suggesting that you send this (obviously incurably defective)
example back to the naughty person who tried to sell it to you.  Go to a
reputable dealer in secondhand goods, who will allow you to look at the
object of your desire before you hand over your hard-earned money.

£60 was way too cheap for a good example of that lens.  You could offer
the guy £10 for the extension tube and the hood, as it is unlikely that
you will find many others.  £120 is a good average price for an
excellent example of this lens, with (I think) 12 months' warranty. 
Whatever Jessops ask, offer 10% less.  Always works for me.

mike

Re: Epson 3200

[Paul Stenquist]

If you use it with the PhotoShop Plug-In, you can save the files in any
format you choose.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Hi ...
>
> Does this scanner save files in the PSD and TIFF format, or only JPEG?
>
> Tks!

Re: istD and old primes

[Heiko Hamann]

Hi Jim,

on 01 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list:

>>> And a last trick: stop down the lens 3 times, set the exposure
>>> compensation to +3 and use the green button in M - now you have a nice
>>> working AE with an old K-/M-lens.

>Isn't there supposed to be some incantation you say first before you do the
>last trick?

Just Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious...

Cheers, Heiko

Re:experimenting with technique

[Pentxuser]

Thanks Wendy: They are done entirely in photoshop. It's a 3 or 4 step process. I'm at 
work right now but, if you like, I'll e-mail you instructions on how to do this later 
tonight. If you are comfortable with photoshop, it's not too difficult. If not, jpeg 
me the images you need to put into a collage and we'll see what we can do...
Vic 



Vic,
Thats great, I love it!
Did you do it in Photoshop or did you use Painter?

I've just been asked to put together a collage of someone's dog doing agility. I just 
don't know where to begin. Perhaps I should commission you to do the job for me!

Wendy
wendy beard
ottawa, canada

OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)

[Cotty]

On 30/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>To eliminate (or at least reduce) confusion, I would like to point out that
>I wrote the reply below to Bob Waldken's Coleridge posting. And indirectly
>addressed a question from Cotty in the same reply. The "Cotty" at the bottom
>is NOT the signature, it is the beginning of a sentence I did not complete.
>
>(And the answer to the question: "what is he drinking tonight?!" is "Black
>Swan Shiraz," a low-end Australian which is actually quite nice. If you like
>a red wine which bites back.)

or indeed positively chews your head off ;-)

A few years ago I used to religiously follow UK supermarke twine guru
Malcolm Gluck's advice in the Guardian newspaper ('Superplonk'). Accused
of always recommending wine, he was challenged to do just the opposite
and highlight wine that should be missed at every opportunity. The two
columns he wrote, I cut out and have adorned our kitchen notice board for
years. I present them here:

[NOTE: written about 1992 or so - and taken tongue in cheek. And yes, we
Brits get hammered as well - smile!]


"...White Riochas should be given a wide berth. Treat the words 'Hungary'
and 'Gewurztraminer' on the same label as gingerly as a skull and
crossbones. Pass by all English wine with the possible exception of Carr
Taylor.

Treat with disdain all wine from India, especially if it sparkles. Under
no circumstances go within one nautical mile of any wine bearing the
imprint Gallo Bros; the only exception is the Grenache, which is passable.

Do not allow any wine under fiver per cent alcohol to pass you lips; it
is a sham. Do not drink, however seductive the circumstances, red wine
from Germany. Regard all self-proclaiming organic wines with intense
suspicion. And engage all 'sample case offers' from wine merchants with
the same wariness as a large brute pushing past you in the bank queue
with a shotgun.

The field of non-contenders, then, is pretty wide. And I do not include
other more obvious betes noires. Lambrusco, for example. Apart from this,
there are individual wines I would embrace teetotality to escape.
Waitrose [store] has a perfectly nauseous Sauterne from Barton &
Guestier. The Co-op's Lohengrin Trocken wild horses could not impel me to
re-sip. Littlewood's boasts a fairly undrinkable thing called Beauchamp Blush.

Marks & Spencer has two utterly characterless miniatures which blow
gaping holes in the Trades Descriptions Act: a Kir, which not only has no
white Burgundy in it's make-up but equally uses blackcurrant juice
instead of the mandatory creme de cassis and a Bucks Fizz which tastes
like sparkling cardboard and carrot juice.

However, the most undrinkable concoction by several lengths of chalk is
the utterly murderous Crimean Red. No supermarket stocks it, I am
relieved to report, but there are, I am told, high street wine merchants
who do. Do you have someone you loathe with special venom? Crimean Red is
made for them. Proffer a bottle, stay around for the first sip and, I
tell you, it's more satisfying than watching the sun set on a Barbadian
beach with the kids sound asleep 10,000 miles away."

(Copyright Guardian Newspaper / Malcolm Gluck)





Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: More lens problems

[Frits Wüthrich]

It is online as well.
http://www.jessops.com/used/


On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 22:26, mike wilson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
> > 
> > the sad tale of a dead lens.
> 
> Go to your nearest Jessops and ask them to search their secondhand
> database for the same lens.  Then ask them to get some of the results
> sent to your store.  You could ask them to search for PK(A) mounts,
> too.  Choose the one(s) you want.  Don't pay more than £120.  Probably
> not a good idea to do this on a Saturday
> 
> mike
> 
-- 
Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: More lens problems

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, mike wilson wrote:

> too.  Choose the one(s) you want.  Don't pay more than £120.  Probably
> not a good idea to do this on a Saturday

Thanks for this. 120 is twice as much as I paid for the one I have
(OK,plus P&P). Are you suggesting that I should shut up, cough up the
35 squid (sic) suggested by the technician and be done with it?

Kostas

Re: Filter to desaturate color

[Paul Stenquist]

Very nice, Tanya.  I like the way you've been able to saturate some of those
shots without wrecking the skin tones. That can be difficult. Good job.

>
>
> Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
>
> > Just a quick one before I pick my son up from school - this is GENERALLY
> > what I like to go for
> >
> > Hope it looks ok on screen as my monitor is callibrated for my lab, and it
> > may not appear as nice at
> > your end, but you'll get the general idea...
> >
> > http://www.tanyamayer.com/fairmaidens/pages/j.html
> >

Re: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

Monday, December 1, 2003, 8:43:57 PM, you wrote:

> Rumsfield speak deleted, because Rumsfield doesn't understand it either.

Oh, no! the Rumsfeld speak has come back again - must be something
wrong with my computer.

As a matter of fact, I understand it (I think), and I'm sure he does. I
imagine the reason he won the foot-in-mouth award is that it takes several
attempts for most people to understand it, and to most people hearing it for
the first time, rather than reading it, it would probably sound like complete
gibberish. It's certainly not plain English.

I think he did speak these words, at a press conference or something,
so he can be forgiven for some lack of clarity - unedited impromptu speech
is bound to look bad in print. It's amusing, but rather unfair, to
mock politicians for it. Still, if the calorification is excessive,
toleration-wise, exkitchenate yourself, as Alexander Haig might have
put it.

A written version would have left out a lot of words. As much as I dislike
what he stands for, Rumsfeld is not a complete idiot.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, 
 because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. 
 We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some 
 things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the ones we don't 
 know we don't know."

---Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/footinmouth.html)

Re: More lens problems

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
> 
> the sad tale of a dead lens.

Go to your nearest Jessops and ask them to search their secondhand
database for the same lens.  Then ask them to get some of the results
sent to your store.  You could ask them to search for PK(A) mounts,
too.  Choose the one(s) you want.  Don't pay more than £120.  Probably
not a good idea to do this on a Saturday

mike

OT: Enjoy digital

[Collin Brendemuehl]

http://www.news2web.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb.exe?cmd=article&group=rec.photo.equipment.large-format&item=321788&utag=

Re: Scratches on film (update)

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

Final update. Ilford reprinted the full 2 sets  and sent a letter of
apology and 2 vouchers for £3 each. However, no explanation about the
scratches or the wash out that goes all the way to the perforation, at
least not from them. A friend who had a look though it was badly mixed
chemicals. Another though that it could be light leak (all photos
featuring these were taking in bright sunlight).

The camera is still suspect, of course, which is a shame. I may be
able to take it out in bright sunlight in, um, say 9 months. Ilford
probably go in the bad books, as they don't come cheap either;
Jessop's were suggested as a possibility. I have two more prepaid
Ilford envelopes, which I will use together with the vouchers (pushing
costs and perhaps slightly larger size).

Thanks for listening,

Kostas

Re: istD and old primes

[Jim Apilado]

> From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:18:33 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: istD and old primes
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:18:44 -0500
> 
> Or simply use the D in manual mode and use a hand held meter.
> 
> Bill
> 
>
>> And a last trick: stop down the lens 3 times, set the exposure
>> compensation to +3 and use the green button in M - now you have a nice
>> working AE with an old K-/M-lens.
>> 
>> Cheers, Heiko

Isn't there supposed to be some incantation you say first before you do the
last trick?
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

RE: Asahi Pentax ESII any vices

[Michael Bergstrom]

I know this is little late in reply but I was
wondering if you decided to get the ESII?  I just
picked one up over the weekend which had metering
problem that I was able to fix with a well-place
match-stick.  I think the camera is wonderful and I
urge you to get it at the price you quoted, sounds
good to me if it's working properly.  Let me know.

I was also wondering if anyone can point me to a good
resource on how to replace the light seals (also on my
ESII) and where to find the materials.  Thanks for any
help.

Michael

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Re: More lens problems

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, mike wilson wrote:

> 300/2.8 lurking around the corner for pence.  It does sound like another
> case of fungus to me, I'm afraid, although it is also possible that it
> is an artefact from a previous clean.  Professional help needed.

Thanks for all the answers. It is ana artefact from a previous clean,
scratch on the coating, said the pro. They also said that there is
fogging on the outside of the front element, probably from bad
cleaning; I saw it too after they pointed it out. They can fix the
latter, they thought, but not the former. I wrote to the seller asking
for a refund for his lens back. I won;t keep you posted unless you ask
me to, it's no longer interesting I don't think.

Kostas

Re: How many musicians? was Re: where are you ? and digital vs

[Cotty]

On 30/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>> Not often seen on mountains outside Ethiopia:
>> 
>> "A damsel with a dulcimer
>> In a vision once I saw
>> It was an Abyssinian maid
>> And on her dulcimer she played,
>> Singing of Mount Abora."
>> 
>> -- S T Coleridge
>
>Sorry Bob, THAT dulcimer is what we here on this side of the pond have come
>to call the Hammered Dulcimer. My wife plays that one; she is in fact worthy
>of the Musician title.
>
>For those of you over there, there is a museum of musical instruments in
>Brussels (in the Old English building) which has examples of the (hammered)
>dulcimer in many forms from many countries, plus more than a few Swedish and
>German instruments which were the apparent forerunners of the quite unique
>Appalachian Dulcimer which I try to play.
>
>I built my first from a kit about 6 years ago, I bought my second on eBay
>last week and picked it up on my travels this weekend. I'll bring both to
>GFM.
>
>Cotty

Cotty? Stan!

Stan. Cotty.

Now I'm losing the plot !




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: *ist D battery behavior

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
> Where I can found the grip owner manuaal to download ??

http://www.pentax.com/docstore/index.cfm?show=6

Lists the camera manual but not the grip, yet.  Might be worth visiting
regularly.

mike

RE: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative

[Lewis Matthew]

From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It's
similar to Ford buying a car (complete) from Mitsubishi with the Ford name
on it from and selling it as a Ford.
Regards,
Bob...
Just for the record, Daimler-Chrysler, not Ford, has a working agreement 
with Mitsubishi.

Rumsfield speak deleted, because Rumsfield doesn't understand it either.

Lewis

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Re: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative

[Bill Owens]

In a lot of cases (notice "a lot", not all) the difference between house
brands and name brands is the cost of advertising the name brands.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Peter Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:14 PM
Subject: OT: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal
alternative


> Hi,
>
> Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:32:51 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans?
>
> > The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and manufacture of
the
> > beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split between
the
> > two companies.
>
> > But does this make it wrong or immoral for the supermarket to do this?
>
> Rather surprisingly, supermarkets don't make a profit on beans (I know
> this doesn't affect the point of your reply). The cost of handling
> each tin, including scanning and packing at the checkout, is more than
> the markup. Competition is so fierce that they can't raise the price
> to a profitable level, or decide not to stock them, because nobody
> would shop at a supermarket that didn't sell beans, or sold them for a
> lot more than their competitors (I exclude places like Fortnum &
> Mason here). This is true for a surprising number of other items, too.
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
>  Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to
me,
>  because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we
know.
>  We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are
some
>  things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the ones we
don't
>  know we don't know."
>
> ---Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/footinmouth.html)
>
>

RE: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative

[Bob Blakely]

Here in the US, supermarkets do not manufacture their own brand of baked
beans. In fact, they manufacture very little of their own brand of anything.
Brand name companies manufacture these specially packaged items for them at
a discounted rate. It's a way for the brand name companies to sell more
volume ($$$) and for supermarkets to charge less, again more volume. It's
similar to Ford buying a car (complete) from Mitsubishi with the Ford name
on it from and selling it as a Ford.

I don't believe this is wrong or immoral (just my opinion). Ford stands by
the product, maintains it and takes the heat if things go wrong. They (Ford)
put their stamp of approval on the subcontracted product. Same with the
supermarkets...

See comment on Rumsfeld speak.

Regards,
Bob...

"History is not a school-mistress. She does
 not teach. She is a prison matron who
 punishes for unlearned lessons."
 -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian


> From: Bob Walkden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hi,
>
> Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:32:51 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans?
>
> > The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and
> manufacture of the
> > beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split
> between the
> > two companies.
>
> > But does this make it wrong or immoral for the supermarket to do this?
>
> Rather surprisingly, supermarkets don't make a profit on beans (I know
> this doesn't affect the point of your reply). The cost of handling
> each tin, including scanning and packing at the checkout, is more than
> the markup. Competition is so fierce that they can't raise the price
> to a profitable level, or decide not to stock them, because nobody
> would shop at a supermarket that didn't sell beans, or sold them for a
> lot more than their competitors (I exclude places like Fortnum &
> Mason here). This is true for a surprising number of other items, too.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always
> interesting to me,
>  because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we
> know we know.
>  We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know
> there are some
>  things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the
> ones we don't
>  know we don't know."
>
> ---Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/footinmouth.html)

The above was a verbal representation of a Johari Window.

See: http://www.augsburg.edu/education/edc210/johari.html

Re: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Walkden"
Subject: OT: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal
alternative


> Hi,
>
> Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:32:51 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans?
>
> > The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and manufacture of
the
> > beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split between
the
> > two companies.
>
> > But does this make it wrong or immoral for the supermarket to do this?
>
> Rather surprisingly, supermarkets don't make a profit on beans (I know
> this doesn't affect the point of your reply). The cost of handling
> each tin, including scanning and packing at the checkout, is more than
> the markup. Competition is so fierce that they can't raise the price
> to a profitable level, or decide not to stock them, because nobody
> would shop at a supermarket that didn't sell beans, or sold them for a
> lot more than their competitors (I exclude places like Fortnum &
> Mason here). This is true for a surprising number of other items, too.

Even more surprisingly, supermarkets don't actually manufacture anything,
other than perhaps bakery goods.
House brand products, be they tinned vegetables or whatever, are made by the
same companies that make the brand name products.
Sometimes, though not always, the quality is a grade below name brand.

William Robb

Re: Who else?

[Bill Owens]

PDML Central is our 12 foot Coleman folding trailer.  It serves as an
unofficial PDML bar, grill and BS headquarters during the GFM events.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Who else?


> Bill Owens wrote:
>
> > I may be able to scrounge up a tent, air mattress and sleeping bag for
you
> > to use.  I would offer space in PDML central but it's full.
> >
> > Bill
> >
>
> what is PDML central? your house? :)
> I'll probably fade again, but I'm thinking about it seriously...
> I have a sleeping bag, actually.
>
> ann
>
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: Who else?
> >
> > > Hmmm --
> > > I can offer a crash pad for one or two PDML'rs headed south  -
> > > might actually be able to go to the thing if I got a free ride
> > > and cheap digs in NC
> > >
> > > ann
> > >
> > >
> > > frank theriault wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, so far I've been offered a ride from DC  I've heard something
> > about
> > > > some furriners arriving at NYC and renting a vehicle, but I haven't
> > really
> > > > investigated that possibility yet.  I'll have to look at a map, and
see
> > how
> > > > far KC is from TO.  It might be an option...
> > > >
> > > > l may be in touch, Stan.
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > frank
> > > >
> > > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
> > pessimist
> > > > fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> > > >
> > > > >From: Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > > >By the way, my tentative itinerary involves leaving Kansas City on
> > > > >Wednesday
> > > > >of that week, driving to GFM, arriving Thursday evening. I may
start
> > back
> > > > >Sunday, I may hang around the neighborhood for a day or two...
There is
> > a
> > > > >conference in Norway that will occur about then, if I can wrangle
an
> > invite
> > > > >then I will probably need to cut the weekend short, get back home
and
> > ready
> > > > >to travel, but will otherwise my inclination is to take my time.
Room
> > in
> > > > >the
> > > > >van for 1-5 additional persons if any others are headed there from
this
> > > > >direction. And willing to take a chance on my schedule.
> > > > >
> > > > >stan
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > >
>
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Subject: Another lens I can't afford for my 645

[W. Xato]

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:46:26 -0500
From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Its not that hopeless.  I have a prior version that
goes for about $499 on OBoy from Kiev Camera but it
does not tilt in all directions, just downward when in
the horizontal position and tilts to the right or left
when in vertical format. (I would have wanted downward
tilt in vertical but its still a very useful lens.) I
have it adapted to the P645.  See:
www.120scan.us
for some of my photos taken with the lens.

Warren

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OT: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:32:51 PM, you wrote:

> Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans?

> The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and manufacture of the
> beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split between the
> two companies.

> But does this make it wrong or immoral for the supermarket to do this?

Rather surprisingly, supermarkets don't make a profit on beans (I know
this doesn't affect the point of your reply). The cost of handling
each tin, including scanning and packing at the checkout, is more than
the markup. Competition is so fierce that they can't raise the price
to a profitable level, or decide not to stock them, because nobody
would shop at a supermarket that didn't sell beans, or sold them for a
lot more than their competitors (I exclude places like Fortnum &
Mason here). This is true for a surprising number of other items, too.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, 
 because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. 
 We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some 
 things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the ones we don't 
 know we don't know."

---Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/footinmouth.html)

Re: A turning point?

[John Francis]

> What I spoke of was for digital cameras and does hold true.
> 
> You CAN recover between a half and one full stop of overexposure.  This
> is (I think) because the jpg/tiff or possibly the 8 bit lattitude is
> narrower than the RAW image can capture.  So you can choose which part
> of the full available range is used to create the jpg/tiff from the RAW
> file and adjust exposure a little if necessary.  I do it regularly and
> so do many other users.

Usually around 2/3 of a stop, from what I can see by poking aroung in a
RAW file.  But see below.

> White point definition is very different from white BALANCE setting.
> White balance is a colour temp thing ONLY.  White/black points are
> something you can do in software - I always have to do this when
> scanning slides for example, and IS an exposure/contrast thing - but
> this is not white balance as a digital camera user can control.

You can, of course, make white balance adjustments in software, too.
In fact that's how the digital camera does it, as well; by scaling
the R/G/B readings from the sensor whle converting to TIFF or JPEG.
(for example: the 'B' values are scaled by around twice as much if
the white balance is set for tungsten lighting as they would be for
daylight white balance).

The camera (or the software conversion code) doesn't map the full
range of the sensor to the full range of the 8-bit TIFF or JPEG,
either; if all the camera settings are at normal there's a bit
of slack left to allow for increases in contrast, brightness. etc.
This margin (together with any extra slack introduced by the white
balance scaling) means you can recover some amount of overexposure,
although there might sometimes be a very slight colour shift in the
most extreme blown-out highlights.

RE: Digital lens questions

[Bob Blakely]

As regards cameras, there is no such thing as a digital lens.

Re: How many musicians?

[graywolf]

The hammer dulcimer is quite popular in the SE US. The mountain dulcimer that 
Stan was talking about is kind of a skinny lute looking instrument and is a folk 
instrument from the appalachian mountain area of the US.

--

mike.wilson wrote:

Hi,

Bob W wrote:


Not often seen on mountains outside Ethiopia:


Xanadu - one of my favourites.  But it looks like dulcimers are not
likely to be seen anywhere, in a while
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3133153.stm

mike


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: PayPal's new policy

[graywolf]

When I am bidding I look for a fixed SSH charge, then subtract that from my max 
bid. I do that because I have a very limited income and an open SSH charge 
forces me to make a low-ball bid. From a sellers viewpoint you are leveling the 
playing field, so the person next door and the person at the other side of the 
country pay the same; if the guy next door wins you make a couple of extra 
bucks. Of course that will not work for foreign sales but then they usually 
expect to have to pay extra anyway.

What always amazes me about Ebay is how those sellers who say out right in their 
ads that they think buyers are jerks, and they don't want their business anyway, 
 seem to get high bids.

--

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Dr E D F Williams wrote:


Good! What about this then?

"Buyer pays Packing, Postage and Transaction charges including Insurance if
required."
Don


Don, just hide it under handling for shipping :)

ann
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: Clouds..

[Joseph Tainter]

"Special mention for Joseph Tainter's entry 'Clouds over Montmajeur'- 
some distortion's nice every now and then :)"

Thanks, Ryan.

Joe

experimenting with B&W technique/ photoshop

[Pentxuser]

Sorry folks if the other one does not work try this.
vic 

http://groups.msn.com/TheSpiritofNature/vicmacbournieimages.msnw?action=ShowPh
oto&PhotoID=58

experimenting with technique

[Pentxuser]

I've been experimenting with a little B&W technique on some old pictures of 
my daughter if anyone is interested..

Vic 

check it out here

http://groups.msn.com/TheSpiritofNature/vicmacbournieimages.msnw?action=ShowPh
oto&PhotoID=58

FS: Last Call

[Bruce Dayton]

This is the last call for the following lenses before they go on ebay.
If you have interest, but want to haggle over the price, let me know.

55/4 latest model LN-  Includes original front/rear caps and hood in
case.  $425 or offer.

75/4.5lLatest model LN-   Includes original front/rear caps. $290 or
offer.

90/2.8 leaf shutter  EX+  Includes original front/rear caps and hood
in case.  $425 or offer.

120/3.5 Soft Focus  LN- except for a filter thread dent.  The cap fits fine.
Includes original front/rear caps.  $250 or offer.

165/4 leaf shutter  LN   Includes original front/rear caps, case and Hood.
$425 or offer.

300/4 latest model.  LN  Includes original front/rear caps and case.
$575 or offer.


If you want to get into Medium format, now is your chance - before I
come to my senses.

Thanks,

Bruce

Re: *ist D battery behavior

[graywolf]

Which would maximize the battery life. Not a bad idea from an engineering 
standpoint. Not quite so great from the photographers point of view.

--

Heiko Hamann wrote:

The manual says (afair) that it uses the set of batteries that has more  
energy left. So it could be that the camera uses both sets alternately
if you often switch the camera on and off.
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: where are you ? and digital vs film

[Steve Desjardins]

Chemistry Prof and a displaced New Englander living in Virginia.

I have an SP500, ZX-7, MX, MZ-S and a 645.  I hope to soon have a *ist
D.

I began reading this with only the ZX-7, which had replaced my MV1.  
I'm now realizing what a "bad" influence this list is . . .

Re[10]: Digital lens questions

[Bruce Dayton]

Very good point.  Perhaps on the *istD, variable aperture isn't such a
problem - except for the slower F4 speed.  Would be nice to be
constant aperture 2.8.

Any idea when the 16-45 is really going to be available for purchase?


Bruce



Monday, December 1, 2003, 7:43:12 AM, you wrote:

RB> If you set the aperture from the body (as you have to on the *istD for
RB> example) then aperture does not vary - unless you are shooting at an
RB> aperture wider than is permissable throughout the zoom range.

RB> My Sigma 17-35 f2.8-4 behaves like a constant F4 unless I try and shoot
RB> wider than that!  I wouldn't generally look to shoot this lens wide open
RB> anyway, although have on occasion.  It can be a bit of a pain on the
RB> MZ-S, but on the istD you wouldn't generally notice.

RB> Pentax will soon have a constant wide zoom for D'hood though!

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: 01 December 2003 15:26
>> To: William Robb
>> Subject: Re[8]: Digital lens questions
>> 
>> 
>> I had been looking for a 17-35ish zoom that wasn't variable 
>> aperture, but have not found one for in that focal length 
>> range.  The only ones are the Tokina 20-35/2.8, Sigma 
>> 20-40/2.8 and the Pentax 20-35/4.  The best the 17-35 range 
>> gets is 2.8-4.
>> 
>> Certainly the wide end is where the digitals (smaller sensor) 
>> have more issues.  There just isn't a constant aperture zoom 
>> that goes wider than 20mm available for Pentax.
>> 
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:31:48 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> WR> - Original Message -
>> WR> From: "Bruce Dayton"
>> WR> Subject: Re[6]: Digital lens questions
>> 
>> 
>> >> That does look interesting.  Too bad it is not already 
>> out.  I'm sure
>> >> I will have moved on before then. :(
>> 
>> WR> If you haven't used zooms much at weddings, something you 
>> may not be
>> WR> familiar with is the problems associated with using 
>> variable aperture zooms
>> WR> and fill flash.
>> WR> As you zoom, if the aperture closes, your fill ratio gets 
>> thrown off and the
>> WR> backgrounds change density.
>> WR> It may not be a big deal for some, but for me, it changes 
>> the look of the
>> WR> pictures.
>> 
>> WR> William Robb
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

RE: A turning point?

[Rob Brigham]

Only if you don't have any direct light sources in you image, and if
nothing is lit any brighter than the white card was when you calibrated,
and only if you check the histogram and set a manual exposure based on
that.  I guess for people used to incident light metering and manual
exposure this might seem reasonable, but it seems like a pain to me!  I
just double check each image in the 1 sec review and if not sure check
the histogram.  I also use RAW so I can recover a little over exposure
if required.

> -Original Message-
> From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 01 December 2003 16:21
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: A turning point?
> 
> 
> I think using a white card also gives you your overexposure 
> point. Something 
> good to know with slides or digital.
> 
> --
> 
> Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
> > 
> > I differ slightly in that I use a grey card to set my manual white 
> > balance. Something I found that worked better when I first started 
> > using the Nikon D1X and D1H.
> > 
> > I should try a comparison using both techniques.  I know 
> that I have 
> > used a white page in the pinch and have been happy with the 
> results.  
> > Though with some thinking on the subject it would make me 
> think that 
> > using a grey card would allow some more lattitude in post 
> > processing...
> 
> 
> -- 
> graywolf
> http://graywolfphoto.com
> 
> "You might as well accept people as they are,
> you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
> 
> 
> 

Vs: Panorama project

["Mike Ignatiev"]

> Nah, this is not nice, it s great. I just got back 
> from St. Petersburg and this is better than the city 
> itself ;-)

thanks, Raimo. i have very mixed feelings about this
city. the locals tend to think it's the most beautiful
place on earth. but when i visit it it usually takes
me a few days to adapt to start seeing the great 
palaces hiding behind the piles of dirt and garbage...
still i have to admit, the tons of money (or whatever
left, passing through the layers and layers of 
thieves) thrown at it lately did help a bit. in the 
downtown at least.

> Do you all use Macs because it is a bit dark on my 
> screen?

no, it really is darker than it really is, and it's 
PS7 fault: this is what happens when i say "save for 
web", and unfortunately, this is how it has to be done 
for photo.net

best,
Mishka

Re: A turning point?

[graywolf]

I think using a white card also gives you your overexposure point. Something 
good to know with slides or digital.

--

Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
I differ slightly in that I use a grey card to set my manual white balance.
Something I found that worked better when I first started using the Nikon
D1X and D1H.
I should try a comparison using both techniques.  I know that I have used a
white page in the pinch and have been happy with the results.  Though with
some thinking on the subject it would make me think that using a grey card
would allow some more lattitude in post processing...


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: A turning point?

[Steve Desjardins]

Boy, I can see why you married her . . . ;-)

The important thing to remember here is that the DSLR represents new
capabilities so that many folks will currently be buying digital stuff
to add that capability to their bag of tricks.   There is no question,
however, that this greatly reduces the use of film and film cameras so
that there will be both an economic and an R&D impact.

RE: Digital lens questions

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> Hey Tom,
> 
> Curious as to what basic lenses you have ended up using for 
> a typical
> wedding shoot.
> 
> Seems that somewhere around a 17-35 and 28-70 would cover 
> most needs.

Yeah, those 2 would cover most things.

This is what I use, in order of frequency (more or less):

16-35/2.8
24-70/2.8
24/1.4
70-200/2.8 IS
50/1.4

tv

RE: Re[8]: Digital lens questions

[Rob Brigham]

If you set the aperture from the body (as you have to on the *istD for
example) then aperture does not vary - unless you are shooting at an
aperture wider than is permissable throughout the zoom range.

My Sigma 17-35 f2.8-4 behaves like a constant F4 unless I try and shoot
wider than that!  I wouldn't generally look to shoot this lens wide open
anyway, although have on occasion.  It can be a bit of a pain on the
MZ-S, but on the istD you wouldn't generally notice.

Pentax will soon have a constant wide zoom for D'hood though!

> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 01 December 2003 15:26
> To: William Robb
> Subject: Re[8]: Digital lens questions
> 
> 
> I had been looking for a 17-35ish zoom that wasn't variable 
> aperture, but have not found one for in that focal length 
> range.  The only ones are the Tokina 20-35/2.8, Sigma 
> 20-40/2.8 and the Pentax 20-35/4.  The best the 17-35 range 
> gets is 2.8-4.
> 
> Certainly the wide end is where the digitals (smaller sensor) 
> have more issues.  There just isn't a constant aperture zoom 
> that goes wider than 20mm available for Pentax.
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:31:48 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> WR> - Original Message -
> WR> From: "Bruce Dayton"
> WR> Subject: Re[6]: Digital lens questions
> 
> 
> >> That does look interesting.  Too bad it is not already 
> out.  I'm sure
> >> I will have moved on before then. :(
> 
> WR> If you haven't used zooms much at weddings, something you 
> may not be
> WR> familiar with is the problems associated with using 
> variable aperture zooms
> WR> and fill flash.
> WR> As you zoom, if the aperture closes, your fill ratio gets 
> thrown off and the
> WR> backgrounds change density.
> WR> It may not be a big deal for some, but for me, it changes 
> the look of the
> WR> pictures.
> 
> WR> William Robb
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Charging batteries

[Bill Owens]

> I think the rule I have seen batted around is that they lose 1% per day.

This is where I get somewhat discombobulated.  At 1% a day, is that 1% of
total charge or 1% or remaining charge?  If it's 1% of remaining charge,
when they get down to 50% they would only be losing 0.5% of the total charge
per day.

Bill

Re[8]: Digital lens questions

[Bruce Dayton]

I had been looking for a 17-35ish zoom that wasn't variable aperture,
but have not found one for in that focal length range.  The only ones
are the Tokina 20-35/2.8, Sigma 20-40/2.8 and the Pentax 20-35/4.  The best the 17-35
range gets is 2.8-4.

Certainly the wide end is where the digitals (smaller sensor) have
more issues.  There just isn't a constant aperture zoom that goes
wider than 20mm available for Pentax.


Bruce



Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:31:48 AM, you wrote:


WR> - Original Message - 
WR> From: "Bruce Dayton"
WR> Subject: Re[6]: Digital lens questions


>> That does look interesting.  Too bad it is not already out.  I'm sure
>> I will have moved on before then. :(

WR> If you haven't used zooms much at weddings, something you may not be
WR> familiar with is the problems associated with using variable aperture zooms
WR> and fill flash.
WR> As you zoom, if the aperture closes, your fill ratio gets thrown off and the
WR> backgrounds change density.
WR> It may not be a big deal for some, but for me, it changes the look of the
WR> pictures.

WR> William Robb

RE: Charging batteries

[Rob Brigham]

I think the rule I have seen batted around is that they lose 1% per day.

I would guess therefore that you should not leave them for more than a
couple of months and still expect them to have any charge.

Don't know whether it would damage them at all if they were left at zero
charge for long periods?  I don't think so - do they come in a charged
state when you buy them?  If not then storing them discharged onviously
doesn't do any harm.

Rob

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 01 December 2003 15:11
> To: PDML
> Subject: Charging batteries
> 
> 
> I have 4 or 5 sets of NiMh batteries that I use in my *ist D 
> and AF360 flash.  My question is, how often should they be 
> recharged if not used for awhile?
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 

Re: How many musicians? was Re: where are you ? and digital vs film

[Stephen Moore]

Bill Owens wrote:

This brings a question to my feeble mind.  How many musicians do we have
here on the list?  I know there are a few guitarists, and, if I'm not
mistaken, a conductor.  I play trombone in our local community concert band,
and have been a member there for 11 years.
A drummer for a few decades, meself, including a stint with
the Army fife and drum corps in the late 1960s. (We had to
dress kinda funny -- but WTF, it kept us out of 'Nam.)
Regards,

Stephen

Charging batteries

[Bill Owens]

I have 4 or 5 sets of NiMh batteries that I use in my *ist D and AF360
flash.  My question is, how often should they be recharged if not used for
awhile?

Bill

Clouds..

[Ryan Lee]

Hi all!

Nice work with the December's cloud gallery. Special mention for Joseph
Tainter's entry 'Clouds over Montmajeur'- some distortion's nice every now
and then :) And it looks like it could have been MF too.. I was hardpressed
to find something for this month's gallery, so I'll just send in a
compounded better picture in January! Anyway, a friend just sent me some
pics (no photographer identified, but I'm sure at least one of them's been
making rounds..) and I uploaded them cos they're coincidentally relevant.

http://www.geocities.com/heygoosey/cyclonegraham02.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/heygoosey/cloud.jpg

Cheers!
Ryan

Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "keller.schaefer"
Subject: Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited


> I think both statements miss the point somehow.
>
> From sensor format and resolution I calculate that the *ist D has 128
pixels per
> mm, which means an ideal and theoretial ability to resolve 64 line pairs
per mm
> (correct me if I am wrong). So everything that a lens can possible deliver
over
> 64 lp/mm is wasted on the sensor by definition. The REAL resolving power
of the
> sensor will be (way) below that due to the geometry of the sensor pixels,
maybe
> somewhere around 40.

In real life, thats probably all you are getting out of a camera lens
anyway.

William Robb

Re: Digital lens questions

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Madsen" ]Subject: RE: Digital lens questions


> Why change lenses?  I have shot weddings with consumer zooms and with
primes
> and I would take the speed and sharpness of the primes for weddings any
day.
> In fact I just gave my last zoom lens to my father, so primes are all I
> currently own.  That does not mean that I change lens a lot during a
wedding
> shoot.  Generally speaking, a telephoto for the ceremony, a short tele for
> formals and a normal to wide for groups.  In fact, in MF I only have a
> standard lens and I have never had a burning need for more.  I'm not
saying
> my system is for everybody, but a wedding happens once, that couple will
> never be married on that day again.  Use the lenses that will give them
the
> best possible quality.  If that means zooms, great.


Bruce has just changed formats, having gone from 35mm to digital SLR. This
makes for a required change in lens focal lengths.

William Robb