Re: PayPal's new policy
Dr E D F Williams wrote: Good! What about this then? Buyer pays Packing, Postage and Transaction charges including Insurance if required. Don Don, just hide it under handling for shipping :) ann ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' Updated: August 15, 2003 Oh my God! They've killed Teddy! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy What's the matter with saying in your listing, Buyer pays actual costs of transaction, or, final bid price is net to seller? That covers everything, and is not a simple surcharge for the fact that someone uses PayPal - it's simply an indemnification of the seller's costs. Quoting Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Which is the violation 1) the surcharge on PayPal or 2) charging it on all payment types? I only do it for PayPal anyway. Lots of sellers add 5% for PayPal. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' Updated: August 15, 2003 Oh my God! They've killed Teddy! - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: Re: PayPal's new policy On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote: In the meantime I'm going to raise my surcharge to 5.5% and add a handling charge as well. Once I get rid of all the stuff I have to sell I'll just drop eBay and PayPal completely. Do you charge that surcharge for PayPal orders only, or for all payment types? According to PayPal's rules, that's a violation of their TOS agreement. chris - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: Who else?
Hmmm -- I can offer a crash pad for one or two PDML'rs headed south - might actually be able to go to the thing if I got a free ride and cheap digs in NC ann frank theriault wrote: Well, so far I've been offered a ride from DC I've heard something about some furriners arriving at NYC and renting a vehicle, but I haven't really investigated that possibility yet. I'll have to look at a map, and see how far KC is from TO. It might be an option... l may be in touch, Stan. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way, my tentative itinerary involves leaving Kansas City on Wednesday of that week, driving to GFM, arriving Thursday evening. I may start back Sunday, I may hang around the neighborhood for a day or two... There is a conference in Norway that will occur about then, if I can wrangle an invite then I will probably need to cut the weekend short, get back home and ready to travel, but will otherwise my inclination is to take my time. Room in the van for 1-5 additional persons if any others are headed there from this direction. And willing to take a chance on my schedule. stan _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: *ist D battery behavior
Hi Bruce, on 30 Nov 03 you wrote in pentax.list: how this is supposed to work? Does it run off the ones in the body first and then off the grip? It didn't seem to seamlessly switch from one set to the other. The manual says (afair) that it uses the set of batteries that has more energy left. So it could be that the camera uses both sets alternately if you often switch the camera on and off. Cheers, Heiko
RE: Digital lens questions
Why change lenses? I have shot weddings with consumer zooms and with primes and I would take the speed and sharpness of the primes for weddings any day. In fact I just gave my last zoom lens to my father, so primes are all I currently own. That does not mean that I change lens a lot during a wedding shoot. Generally speaking, a telephoto for the ceremony, a short tele for formals and a normal to wide for groups. In fact, in MF I only have a standard lens and I have never had a burning need for more. I'm not saying my system is for everybody, but a wedding happens once, that couple will never be married on that day again. Use the lenses that will give them the best possible quality. If that means zooms, great. FWIW, I understand the FA* 28-70 f2.8 is very sharp and performs quite favorably on the *istD. I wish I could afford one. David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com -Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 9:34 PM To: tom Subject: Digital lens questions Hey Tom, Curious as to what basic lenses you have ended up using for a typical wedding shoot. Seems that somewhere around a 17-35 and 28-70 would cover most needs. I have mostly been shooting primes with film, but wonder at this stage if that is such a good idea. Switching lenses can take too much time. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Bruce
Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 05:41:49 -0800, Alan Chan wrote: How does the FA 31 mm f/1.8 AL Limited perform It is a pretty sharp lens corners to corners wide open, signfiicantly sharper than the FA*24. One stop down it is super sharp. Although it is not a fair comparsion, but it is the sharpest lens I have owned so far. Quite possible one of the sharpest Pentax 135 lenses too. and is it worth buying at $860.00 US. Probably not when FA28/2.8 FA35/2 are a lot cheaper, but heck, do you really care when you just wanted one? :-) Speaking of wide angle primes, I was out trying to shoot holiday lighting in the downtown area. I started around dusk lingered until it got totally dark. A tripod would have helped, but not possible. The best I could do was a SMC-F 50mm/1.7 for low light vs a Tokina 20-35mm zoom less well suited for low light, but better among the buildings. I got to thinking about a wide angle prime. Either a 28mm/2.8 or a 35mm/2, preferably F or FA series. Any opinions from the list? Thanks, Pat in SF __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
[new toy]
Hi, I have finally enabled myself with *istD too. Nice machine, nice possibilities and at last I don't have to waist my time for film buying, processing and scanning anymore = more time for taking photos ;-) And that grin on my face won't dissapear soon ;-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re[2]: Digital lens questions
I have just tried a Tokina AF193 19-35/3.5-4.5. Odd things - The *istD reports it as an FA35-70 although the taking focal length is recorded correctly. I also find that AF has problems being accurate when at the 19mm end. If I zoom in, focus and then zoom out, works great. But just AFing at the wide end 19ish and it seems to focus a bit in front of the target. I have a Tokina AF 28-105/3.5-4.5 that exhibits none of the problems I have mentioned. The AF193 model is the newest one. The 28-105 is several years old and is no longer made. Your comment on speed is felt by me. I was thinking that the 3.5-4.5 was feeling a bit slow too. More like 2.8 or faster. Bruce Sunday, November 30, 2003, 9:36:25 PM, you wrote: WR - Original Message - WR From: Bruce Dayton WR Subject: Digital lens questions Hey Tom, Curious as to what basic lenses you have ended up using for a typical wedding shoot. Seems that somewhere around a 17-35 and 28-70 would cover most needs. I have mostly been shooting primes with film, but wonder at this stage if that is such a good idea. Switching lenses can take too much time. Any thoughts would be appreciated. WR I may be shooting a wedding after Christmas, so i am thinking of this WR myself. I expect I will take the 18-35 and 28-70, since it's what I have. WR I would also be taking the 50mm for portraits, and probably the 20mm and WR 35mm for if I need some extra speed from the lenses. WR That f/4 to f/5.6 aperture thing really hurts. WR William Robb
RE: A turning point?
Cotty wrote: CONGRATS Malc. You lucky sly dog. Thanks ;-) I am so stunned to have something new I wanted to view it in the box for a bit. Why not? As soon as it pops out of the box, its age of innocence is over And it comes out today... Now will it be a turning point? Yes. ENJOY. Take a couple of weeks and enjoy. Ask again in a month. But you'll need pain relief for the inane grin that will inhabit your mutton chops ! Indeed, and that is what I shall do. Malcolm - who still grins when picking up an LX
RE: A turning point?
Tanya Mayer wrote: I know I'm a girl, but can I marry your wife?!? Or at least get her to have a chat to my hubby? LOL! No you can't!! My wife regularly uses an MX and for the last year or so has had use of a digital point and shoot at work. Whilst she doesn't like the digital camera itself, the immediate results sold it for the *ist D. I expect she will use it a great deal, which is great. I am *green* with envy. I would have LOVED one for my son's dance concert last week!! I'm really pleased by the timing of it's arrival here. I have three children at primary school, all of which will be involved with Christmas concerts. I'll be able to send pictures off to relatives the same day now of them and opening their Christmas presents, which will go down very well with my in-laws who are hundreds of miles away. Malcolm
RE: A turning point?
frank theriault wrote: Oh-oh! We've lost another one... vbg Not quite yet (until they stop making film), I bought a few rolls of Ilford Delta 100 BW film this weekend (got a free roll with Amateur Photographer and liked it) as I love BW for manky weather shots. Cold and wet looks better on this than colour. Seriously, Malcolm, congrats. I know you'll enjoy yourself immensely. I just figured you'd be able to hold out a bit longer...g So did I, well 'til Christmas anyway! Malcolm
RE: A turning point?
Boris Liberman wrote: I am probably in different league than you're, Malcolm. It is because I use only 35 mm gear. However it occurred to me that with finally getting my ME Super fully and perfectly (knock on wood of my head g) operational, my ZX-L has become just a backup camera. I think we are all in the same league of image taking; it's just that we all have different methods of collecting them and varying degrees of talent and skill. I'm fighting to keep out of the relegation zone! I get the same pleasure from using my ME Super as I get from driving my '92 Golf. It is something that is simple, that I know won't fail me, that would get the job done, that would bring me enjoyable result. I think the same of my Land-Rover. (In case of car, it means that I would safely arrive from A to B with little hassle, and that the car would just work.) Naturally it is a matter of getting used to... Could be, if I could get *istD, I would have so gotten used to seeing the outcome right away and to that innumerable number of segments and AF zones - I couldn't use anything but... But to me, *istD is not a __turning__ point, though it is a serious __landmark__. Just count the number of posts related to it now... Darn, I am writing one right here right now... And here's another I see the *ist D as a turning point for me, as I am rarely at the cutting edge of technology. I do now have enough reason to believe that now is the time to join the digital age but not to the exclusion of film. Having followed Shels' string on candid street photography (and enjoyed Frank T's excellent examples for years) I want to give it a go myself and the best combination I could use for speed and accuracy would be an MX and 40mm 'pancake' lens. At the moment, I see digital as a colour print replacement, but give me a month and I'll post again to see if I have changed my tune. Malcolm
Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.
Nice shoes: http://optiopics.homestead.com/files/PDML/111703050.jpg I guess tom was right about you the whole time Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I finally got some time to toss together a quick page with a few snapshots from the three PDML gatherings I attended while visiting up north this month. It can be seen at http://optiopics.homestead.com/nov2003.html. Comments always welcomed, César Panama City, Florida
Re: *ist D battery behavior
I don't have the grip but my D seems to recharge the batteries when I switch the camera off. (wish) The battery indicator says half full and then full again. Who knows? CW - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: *ist D battery behavior I have the vertical grip on my *istD with batteries in both the body and the grip. Just now, the camera indicated the batteries were dead. I switched it off and back on and it reported full. I'm guessing that it switched from one set to the other. Anybody have any idea how this is supposed to work? Does it run off the ones in the body first and then off the grip? It didn't seem to seamlessly switch from one set to the other. Anyone with experience with this? Thanks, Bruce --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.544 / Virus Database: 338 - Release Date: 11/28/2003
Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited
I think both statements miss the point somehow. From sensor format and resolution I calculate that the *ist D has 128 pixels per mm, which means an ideal and theoretial ability to resolve 64 line pairs per mm (correct me if I am wrong). So everything that a lens can possible deliver over 64 lp/mm is wasted on the sensor by definition. The REAL resolving power of the sensor will be (way) below that due to the geometry of the sensor pixels, maybe somewhere around 40. This corresponds to my own little tests, out of which I drew the conclusion that stopped down to f=8 it doesn't really matter which of my lenses I put on the *ist D, they all do fine and I do not see significant differences (also see the examples on Dario Bonazza's site). On the other hand, I am very pleasantly surprised about the subjective quality of the prints that I get from the *ist D. Reality is, that I have not produced/received 'better' prints from my 35mm cameras/lenses in decades, than in the short time that I now have the *ist D. I have older prints that match the quality, but the ones that are better are from medium format (and those are only slightly better!). It seems to me, that there are so many factors that impair output quality with film (like film flatness issues and lab inconsistencies) that the theoretical advantage it might still have, is almost never visible on a real life print. Sven Zitat von Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bill D. Casselberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Joseph Tainter I use mine a lot and am always impressed by the image quality. On the *ist D it makes a wonderful normal lens. does it stike anyone else as strange that a $1000 lens is necessary w/ an ~$1500 camera to replicate what can be shot w/ a quality 50mm lens and most any used pre-digital Pentax body and good film?? Nope, not at all. You need higher resolution lenses because the smaller sensor size requires greater magnification than full-frame to achieve the same print size. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
istD and old primes
I have a couple of 135mm lenses. One a Takumar Bayonet 2.8-32 and the other a 2.5-22 Is it possible make these work with the istD? Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited
Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of wide angle primes, I was out trying to shoot holiday lighting in the downtown area. I started around dusk lingered until it got totally dark. A tripod would have helped, but not possible. The best I could do was a SMC-F 50mm/1.7 for low light vs a Tokina 20-35mm zoom less well suited for low light, but better among the buildings. I got to thinking about a wide angle prime. Either a 28mm/2.8 or a 35mm/2, preferably F or FA series. Any opinions from the list? I think the FA28/2.8AL is Pentax's most underrated lens. It's a very nice 28 indeed. About the only criticism I've heard is a bit of light fall-off when wide open (I've never used mine wide open so I can't say). I love mine on my film cameras - should work a treat on an *ist-D! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: istD and old primes
Absolutely! One Custom Function setting and then you can shoot in aperture priority AE or in Manual mode. Utter simplicity. That's how I use my Zenitar 16mm fisheye with my *ist D. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: istD and old primes Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 06:04:47 +1100 I have a couple of 135mm lenses. One a Takumar Bayonet 2.8-32 and the other a 2.5-22 Is it possible make these work with the istD? Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia _ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
Re: *ist D battery behavior
Batteries tend to recover a bit between uses. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist D battery behavior Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:23:31 -0500 I don't have the grip but my D seems to recharge the batteries when I switch the camera off. (wish) The battery indicator says half full and then full again. Who knows? CW - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: *ist D battery behavior I have the vertical grip on my *istD with batteries in both the body and the grip. Just now, the camera indicated the batteries were dead. I switched it off and back on and it reported full. I'm guessing that it switched from one set to the other. Anybody have any idea how this is supposed to work? Does it run off the ones in the body first and then off the grip? It didn't seem to seamlessly switch from one set to the other. Anyone with experience with this? Thanks, Bruce --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.544 / Virus Database: 338 - Release Date: 11/28/2003 _ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
Re: istD and old primes
Hi Kevin, on 04 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list: I have a couple of 135mm lenses. One a Takumar Bayonet 2.8-32 and the other a 2.5-22 Is it possible make these work with the istD? They will work, _but_ - In AE the diaphragm won't close (or more precise: it closes, but the picture is taken with wide open diaphragm). But the light meter works and the shutter time will be set correctly. - In M the diaphragm will be closed an the picture will be taken with the aperture that you've set. The light meter will work, if you press the green button, but again - it will meter only wide open! So you've calculate a little bit (stopping down 3 times at the aperture ring - increase the shutter time 3 times). Another workaround is to release the lens and turn it a little bit until the diaphragm is closed. Now the *istD works in AE with the aperture set at the lens. And a last trick: stop down the lens 3 times, set the exposure compensation to +3 and use the green button in M - now you have a nice working AE with an old K-/M-lens. Cheers, Heiko
Re: A turning point?
Thanks, Cesar, I'll pick up a gray card and give it a try. Bill Bill, I differ slightly in that I use a grey card to set my manual white balance. Something I found that worked better when I first started using the Nikon D1X and D1H. I should try a comparison using both techniques. I know that I have used a white page in the pinch and have been happy with the results. Though with some thinking on the subject it would make me think that using a grey card would allow some more lattitude in post processing... Just an idle thought, César Panama City, Florida
Re: *ist D battery behavior
I don't have the grip, but I have noticed that often, while the buffer is writing to the card I get the same indication. Bill - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: *ist D battery behavior I have the vertical grip on my *istD with batteries in both the body and the grip. Just now, the camera indicated the batteries were dead. I switched it off and back on and it reported full. I'm guessing that it switched from one set to the other. Anybody have any idea how this is supposed to work? Does it run off the ones in the body first and then off the grip? It didn't seem to seamlessly switch from one set to the other. Anyone with experience with this? Thanks, Bruce
RE: A turning point?
I think this is a misunderstanding (although it may be me that has it wrong!). White balance setting has nothing to do with exposure. What you need is a 'colour neutral' card. Doesn't matter whether it is grey or white - as long as it has no colour tint. The camera then uses this to apply colour correction to the image as appropriate. It has nothing to do with exposure, it is not like calibrating the light meter or anything in this respect. Therefore lattitude is unaffected. A grey card might be better on the basis that you could also use it for metering (on film and digital) but is exactly the same as a white card with respect to white balance. -Original Message- From: Cesar Matamoros II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I differ slightly in that I use a grey card to set my manual white balance. Something I found that worked better when I first started using the Nikon D1X and D1H. I should try a comparison using both techniques. I know that I have used a white page in the pinch and have been happy with the results. Though with some thinking on the subject it would make me think that using a grey card would allow some more lattitude in post processing...
Re: Who else?
I may be able to scrounge up a tent, air mattress and sleeping bag for you to use. I would offer space in PDML central but it's full. Bill - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:08 AM Subject: Re: Who else? Hmmm -- I can offer a crash pad for one or two PDML'rs headed south - might actually be able to go to the thing if I got a free ride and cheap digs in NC ann frank theriault wrote: Well, so far I've been offered a ride from DC I've heard something about some furriners arriving at NYC and renting a vehicle, but I haven't really investigated that possibility yet. I'll have to look at a map, and see how far KC is from TO. It might be an option... l may be in touch, Stan. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way, my tentative itinerary involves leaving Kansas City on Wednesday of that week, driving to GFM, arriving Thursday evening. I may start back Sunday, I may hang around the neighborhood for a day or two... There is a conference in Norway that will occur about then, if I can wrangle an invite then I will probably need to cut the weekend short, get back home and ready to travel, but will otherwise my inclination is to take my time. Room in the van for 1-5 additional persons if any others are headed there from this direction. And willing to take a chance on my schedule. stan _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: istD and old primes
Len, So excuse me, but this is correct? I tuned out for the 500 emails (or was it 5,000) whining about the *ist D not being able to use K and M lenses. Nobody had the camera in hand, just the instructions, and everybody was speculating. So now that we have the camera to see and touch, we can use old K and M lenses? Please advise... Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Absolutely! One Custom Function setting and then you can shoot in aperture priority AE or in Manual mode. Utter simplicity. That's how I use my Zenitar 16mm fisheye with my *ist D. Len From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a couple of 135mm lenses. One a Takumar Bayonet 2.8-32 and the other a 2.5-22 Is it possible make these work with the istD?
Re: istD and old primes
Or simply use the D in manual mode and use a hand held meter. Bill - Original Message - From: Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: Re: istD and old primes Hi Kevin, on 04 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list: I have a couple of 135mm lenses. One a Takumar Bayonet 2.8-32 and the other a 2.5-22 Is it possible make these work with the istD? They will work, _but_ - In AE the diaphragm won't close (or more precise: it closes, but the picture is taken with wide open diaphragm). But the light meter works and the shutter time will be set correctly. - In M the diaphragm will be closed an the picture will be taken with the aperture that you've set. The light meter will work, if you press the green button, but again - it will meter only wide open! So you've calculate a little bit (stopping down 3 times at the aperture ring - increase the shutter time 3 times). Another workaround is to release the lens and turn it a little bit until the diaphragm is closed. Now the *istD works in AE with the aperture set at the lens. And a last trick: stop down the lens 3 times, set the exposure compensation to +3 and use the green button in M - now you have a nice working AE with an old K-/M-lens. Cheers, Heiko
Re: istD and old primes
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: Re: istD and old primes Len, So excuse me, but this is correct? I tuned out for the 500 emails (or was it 5,000) whining about the *ist D not being able to use K and M lenses. Nobody had the camera in hand, just the instructions, and everybody was speculating. So now that we have the camera to see and touch, we can use old K and M lenses? Please advise... Nothing has changed. The camera doesn't have the aperture simulator lever (or whatever the heck the thing is called). It will mount K lenses, and it will take pictures with them after you have told the camera to allow it, but you don't get a lot of metering options, and there are some wonks in the operation. It works pretty much as I expected it to when I was calling it a crippled whore. William Robb
Re: Re[6]: Digital lens questions
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re[6]: Digital lens questions That does look interesting. Too bad it is not already out. I'm sure I will have moved on before then. :( If you haven't used zooms much at weddings, something you may not be familiar with is the problems associated with using variable aperture zooms and fill flash. As you zoom, if the aperture closes, your fill ratio gets thrown off and the backgrounds change density. It may not be a big deal for some, but for me, it changes the look of the pictures. William Robb
Re: Digital lens questions
- Original Message - From: David Madsen ]Subject: RE: Digital lens questions Why change lenses? I have shot weddings with consumer zooms and with primes and I would take the speed and sharpness of the primes for weddings any day. In fact I just gave my last zoom lens to my father, so primes are all I currently own. That does not mean that I change lens a lot during a wedding shoot. Generally speaking, a telephoto for the ceremony, a short tele for formals and a normal to wide for groups. In fact, in MF I only have a standard lens and I have never had a burning need for more. I'm not saying my system is for everybody, but a wedding happens once, that couple will never be married on that day again. Use the lenses that will give them the best possible quality. If that means zooms, great. Bruce has just changed formats, having gone from 35mm to digital SLR. This makes for a required change in lens focal lengths. William Robb
Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited
- Original Message - From: keller.schaefer Subject: Re: FA 31 mm 1.8 limited I think both statements miss the point somehow. From sensor format and resolution I calculate that the *ist D has 128 pixels per mm, which means an ideal and theoretial ability to resolve 64 line pairs per mm (correct me if I am wrong). So everything that a lens can possible deliver over 64 lp/mm is wasted on the sensor by definition. The REAL resolving power of the sensor will be (way) below that due to the geometry of the sensor pixels, maybe somewhere around 40. In real life, thats probably all you are getting out of a camera lens anyway. William Robb
Clouds..
Hi all! Nice work with the December's cloud gallery. Special mention for Joseph Tainter's entry 'Clouds over Montmajeur'- some distortion's nice every now and then :) And it looks like it could have been MF too.. I was hardpressed to find something for this month's gallery, so I'll just send in a compounded better picture in January! Anyway, a friend just sent me some pics (no photographer identified, but I'm sure at least one of them's been making rounds..) and I uploaded them cos they're coincidentally relevant. http://www.geocities.com/heygoosey/cyclonegraham02.jpg http://www.geocities.com/heygoosey/cloud.jpg Cheers! Ryan
Charging batteries
I have 4 or 5 sets of NiMh batteries that I use in my *ist D and AF360 flash. My question is, how often should they be recharged if not used for awhile? Bill
Re: How many musicians? was Re: where are you ? and digital vs film
Bill Owens wrote: This brings a question to my feeble mind. How many musicians do we have here on the list? I know there are a few guitarists, and, if I'm not mistaken, a conductor. I play trombone in our local community concert band, and have been a member there for 11 years. A drummer for a few decades, meself, including a stint with the Army fife and drum corps in the late 1960s. (We had to dress kinda funny -- but WTF, it kept us out of 'Nam.) Regards, Stephen
RE: Charging batteries
I think the rule I have seen batted around is that they lose 1% per day. I would guess therefore that you should not leave them for more than a couple of months and still expect them to have any charge. Don't know whether it would damage them at all if they were left at zero charge for long periods? I don't think so - do they come in a charged state when you buy them? If not then storing them discharged onviously doesn't do any harm. Rob -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 December 2003 15:11 To: PDML Subject: Charging batteries I have 4 or 5 sets of NiMh batteries that I use in my *ist D and AF360 flash. My question is, how often should they be recharged if not used for awhile? Bill
Re[8]: Digital lens questions
I had been looking for a 17-35ish zoom that wasn't variable aperture, but have not found one for in that focal length range. The only ones are the Tokina 20-35/2.8, Sigma 20-40/2.8 and the Pentax 20-35/4. The best the 17-35 range gets is 2.8-4. Certainly the wide end is where the digitals (smaller sensor) have more issues. There just isn't a constant aperture zoom that goes wider than 20mm available for Pentax. Bruce Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:31:48 AM, you wrote: WR - Original Message - WR From: Bruce Dayton WR Subject: Re[6]: Digital lens questions That does look interesting. Too bad it is not already out. I'm sure I will have moved on before then. :( WR If you haven't used zooms much at weddings, something you may not be WR familiar with is the problems associated with using variable aperture zooms WR and fill flash. WR As you zoom, if the aperture closes, your fill ratio gets thrown off and the WR backgrounds change density. WR It may not be a big deal for some, but for me, it changes the look of the WR pictures. WR William Robb
Re: Charging batteries
I think the rule I have seen batted around is that they lose 1% per day. This is where I get somewhat discombobulated. At 1% a day, is that 1% of total charge or 1% or remaining charge? If it's 1% of remaining charge, when they get down to 50% they would only be losing 0.5% of the total charge per day. Bill
RE: Re[8]: Digital lens questions
If you set the aperture from the body (as you have to on the *istD for example) then aperture does not vary - unless you are shooting at an aperture wider than is permissable throughout the zoom range. My Sigma 17-35 f2.8-4 behaves like a constant F4 unless I try and shoot wider than that! I wouldn't generally look to shoot this lens wide open anyway, although have on occasion. It can be a bit of a pain on the MZ-S, but on the istD you wouldn't generally notice. Pentax will soon have a constant wide zoom for D'hood though! -Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 December 2003 15:26 To: William Robb Subject: Re[8]: Digital lens questions I had been looking for a 17-35ish zoom that wasn't variable aperture, but have not found one for in that focal length range. The only ones are the Tokina 20-35/2.8, Sigma 20-40/2.8 and the Pentax 20-35/4. The best the 17-35 range gets is 2.8-4. Certainly the wide end is where the digitals (smaller sensor) have more issues. There just isn't a constant aperture zoom that goes wider than 20mm available for Pentax. Bruce Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:31:48 AM, you wrote: WR - Original Message - WR From: Bruce Dayton WR Subject: Re[6]: Digital lens questions That does look interesting. Too bad it is not already out. I'm sure I will have moved on before then. :( WR If you haven't used zooms much at weddings, something you may not be WR familiar with is the problems associated with using variable aperture zooms WR and fill flash. WR As you zoom, if the aperture closes, your fill ratio gets thrown off and the WR backgrounds change density. WR It may not be a big deal for some, but for me, it changes the look of the WR pictures. WR William Robb
RE: Digital lens questions
-Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Tom, Curious as to what basic lenses you have ended up using for a typical wedding shoot. Seems that somewhere around a 17-35 and 28-70 would cover most needs. Yeah, those 2 would cover most things. This is what I use, in order of frequency (more or less): 16-35/2.8 24-70/2.8 24/1.4 70-200/2.8 IS 50/1.4 tv
Re: A turning point?
Boy, I can see why you married her . . . ;-) The important thing to remember here is that the DSLR represents new capabilities so that many folks will currently be buying digital stuff to add that capability to their bag of tricks. There is no question, however, that this greatly reduces the use of film and film cameras so that there will be both an economic and an RD impact.
Re: A turning point?
I think using a white card also gives you your overexposure point. Something good to know with slides or digital. -- Cesar Matamoros II wrote: I differ slightly in that I use a grey card to set my manual white balance. Something I found that worked better when I first started using the Nikon D1X and D1H. I should try a comparison using both techniques. I know that I have used a white page in the pinch and have been happy with the results. Though with some thinking on the subject it would make me think that using a grey card would allow some more lattitude in post processing... -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Vs: Panorama project
Nah, this is not nice, it s great. I just got back from St. Petersburg and this is better than the city itself ;-) thanks, Raimo. i have very mixed feelings about this city. the locals tend to think it's the most beautiful place on earth. but when i visit it it usually takes me a few days to adapt to start seeing the great palaces hiding behind the piles of dirt and garbage... still i have to admit, the tons of money (or whatever left, passing through the layers and layers of thieves) thrown at it lately did help a bit. in the downtown at least. Do you all use Macs because it is a bit dark on my screen? no, it really is darker than it really is, and it's PS7 fault: this is what happens when i say save for web, and unfortunately, this is how it has to be done for photo.net best, Mishka
RE: A turning point?
Only if you don't have any direct light sources in you image, and if nothing is lit any brighter than the white card was when you calibrated, and only if you check the histogram and set a manual exposure based on that. I guess for people used to incident light metering and manual exposure this might seem reasonable, but it seems like a pain to me! I just double check each image in the 1 sec review and if not sure check the histogram. I also use RAW so I can recover a little over exposure if required. -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 December 2003 16:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A turning point? I think using a white card also gives you your overexposure point. Something good to know with slides or digital. -- Cesar Matamoros II wrote: I differ slightly in that I use a grey card to set my manual white balance. Something I found that worked better when I first started using the Nikon D1X and D1H. I should try a comparison using both techniques. I know that I have used a white page in the pinch and have been happy with the results. Though with some thinking on the subject it would make me think that using a grey card would allow some more lattitude in post processing... -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re[10]: Digital lens questions
Very good point. Perhaps on the *istD, variable aperture isn't such a problem - except for the slower F4 speed. Would be nice to be constant aperture 2.8. Any idea when the 16-45 is really going to be available for purchase? Bruce Monday, December 1, 2003, 7:43:12 AM, you wrote: RB If you set the aperture from the body (as you have to on the *istD for RB example) then aperture does not vary - unless you are shooting at an RB aperture wider than is permissable throughout the zoom range. RB My Sigma 17-35 f2.8-4 behaves like a constant F4 unless I try and shoot RB wider than that! I wouldn't generally look to shoot this lens wide open RB anyway, although have on occasion. It can be a bit of a pain on the RB MZ-S, but on the istD you wouldn't generally notice. RB Pentax will soon have a constant wide zoom for D'hood though! -Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 December 2003 15:26 To: William Robb Subject: Re[8]: Digital lens questions I had been looking for a 17-35ish zoom that wasn't variable aperture, but have not found one for in that focal length range. The only ones are the Tokina 20-35/2.8, Sigma 20-40/2.8 and the Pentax 20-35/4. The best the 17-35 range gets is 2.8-4. Certainly the wide end is where the digitals (smaller sensor) have more issues. There just isn't a constant aperture zoom that goes wider than 20mm available for Pentax. Bruce Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:31:48 AM, you wrote: WR - Original Message - WR From: Bruce Dayton WR Subject: Re[6]: Digital lens questions That does look interesting. Too bad it is not already out. I'm sure I will have moved on before then. :( WR If you haven't used zooms much at weddings, something you may not be WR familiar with is the problems associated with using variable aperture zooms WR and fill flash. WR As you zoom, if the aperture closes, your fill ratio gets thrown off and the WR backgrounds change density. WR It may not be a big deal for some, but for me, it changes the look of the WR pictures. WR William Robb
Re: where are you ? and digital vs film
Chemistry Prof and a displaced New Englander living in Virginia. I have an SP500, ZX-7, MX, MZ-S and a 645. I hope to soon have a *ist D. I began reading this with only the ZX-7, which had replaced my MV1. I'm now realizing what a bad influence this list is . . .
Re: *ist D battery behavior
Which would maximize the battery life. Not a bad idea from an engineering standpoint. Not quite so great from the photographers point of view. -- Heiko Hamann wrote: The manual says (afair) that it uses the set of batteries that has more energy left. So it could be that the camera uses both sets alternately if you often switch the camera on and off. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
FS: Last Call
This is the last call for the following lenses before they go on ebay. If you have interest, but want to haggle over the price, let me know. 55/4 latest model LN- Includes original front/rear caps and hood in case. $425 or offer. 75/4.5lLatest model LN- Includes original front/rear caps. $290 or offer. 90/2.8 leaf shutter EX+ Includes original front/rear caps and hood in case. $425 or offer. 120/3.5 Soft Focus LN- except for a filter thread dent. The cap fits fine. Includes original front/rear caps. $250 or offer. 165/4 leaf shutter LN Includes original front/rear caps, case and Hood. $425 or offer. 300/4 latest model. LN Includes original front/rear caps and case. $575 or offer. If you want to get into Medium format, now is your chance - before I come to my senses. Thanks, Bruce
experimenting with technique
I've been experimenting with a little BW technique on some old pictures of my daughter if anyone is interested.. Vic check it out here http://groups.msn.com/TheSpiritofNature/vicmacbournieimages.msnw?action=ShowPh otoPhotoID=58
experimenting with BW technique/ photoshop
Sorry folks if the other one does not work try this. vic http://groups.msn.com/TheSpiritofNature/vicmacbournieimages.msnw?action=ShowPh otoPhotoID=58
Re: Clouds..
Special mention for Joseph Tainter's entry 'Clouds over Montmajeur'- some distortion's nice every now and then :) Thanks, Ryan. Joe
Re: PayPal's new policy
When I am bidding I look for a fixed SSH charge, then subtract that from my max bid. I do that because I have a very limited income and an open SSH charge forces me to make a low-ball bid. From a sellers viewpoint you are leveling the playing field, so the person next door and the person at the other side of the country pay the same; if the guy next door wins you make a couple of extra bucks. Of course that will not work for foreign sales but then they usually expect to have to pay extra anyway. What always amazes me about Ebay is how those sellers who say out right in their ads that they think buyers are jerks, and they don't want their business anyway, seem to get high bids. -- Ann Sanfedele wrote: Dr E D F Williams wrote: Good! What about this then? Buyer pays Packing, Postage and Transaction charges including Insurance if required. Don Don, just hide it under handling for shipping :) ann -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: How many musicians?
The hammer dulcimer is quite popular in the SE US. The mountain dulcimer that Stan was talking about is kind of a skinny lute looking instrument and is a folk instrument from the appalachian mountain area of the US. -- mike.wilson wrote: Hi, Bob W wrote: Not often seen on mountains outside Ethiopia: Xanadu - one of my favourites. But it looks like dulcimers are not likely to be seen anywhere, in a while http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3133153.stm mike -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
RE: Digital lens questions
As regards cameras, there is no such thing as a digital lens.
Re: A turning point?
What I spoke of was for digital cameras and does hold true. You CAN recover between a half and one full stop of overexposure. This is (I think) because the jpg/tiff or possibly the 8 bit lattitude is narrower than the RAW image can capture. So you can choose which part of the full available range is used to create the jpg/tiff from the RAW file and adjust exposure a little if necessary. I do it regularly and so do many other users. Usually around 2/3 of a stop, from what I can see by poking aroung in a RAW file. But see below. White point definition is very different from white BALANCE setting. White balance is a colour temp thing ONLY. White/black points are something you can do in software - I always have to do this when scanning slides for example, and IS an exposure/contrast thing - but this is not white balance as a digital camera user can control. You can, of course, make white balance adjustments in software, too. In fact that's how the digital camera does it, as well; by scaling the R/G/B readings from the sensor whle converting to TIFF or JPEG. (for example: the 'B' values are scaled by around twice as much if the white balance is set for tungsten lighting as they would be for daylight white balance). The camera (or the software conversion code) doesn't map the full range of the sensor to the full range of the 8-bit TIFF or JPEG, either; if all the camera settings are at normal there's a bit of slack left to allow for increases in contrast, brightness. etc. This margin (together with any extra slack introduced by the white balance scaling) means you can recover some amount of overexposure, although there might sometimes be a very slight colour shift in the most extreme blown-out highlights.
OT: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative
Hi, Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:32:51 PM, you wrote: Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans? The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and manufacture of the beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split between the two companies. But does this make it wrong or immoral for the supermarket to do this? Rather surprisingly, supermarkets don't make a profit on beans (I know this doesn't affect the point of your reply). The cost of handling each tin, including scanning and packing at the checkout, is more than the markup. Competition is so fierce that they can't raise the price to a profitable level, or decide not to stock them, because nobody would shop at a supermarket that didn't sell beans, or sold them for a lot more than their competitors (I exclude places like Fortnum Mason here). This is true for a surprising number of other items, too. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the ones we don't know we don't know. ---Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/footinmouth.html)
Subject: Another lens I can't afford for my 645
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:46:26 -0500 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its not that hopeless. I have a prior version that goes for about $499 on OBoy from Kiev Camera but it does not tilt in all directions, just downward when in the horizontal position and tilts to the right or left when in vertical format. (I would have wanted downward tilt in vertical but its still a very useful lens.) I have it adapted to the P645. See: www.120scan.us for some of my photos taken with the lens. Warren To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Another lens I can't afford for my 645 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/hartblei45.shtml 45mm shift/tilt lens! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing = Warren Xato For where to go when you know when [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
Re: Who else?
PDML Central is our 12 foot Coleman folding trailer. It serves as an unofficial PDML bar, grill and BS headquarters during the GFM events. Bill - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Who else? Bill Owens wrote: I may be able to scrounge up a tent, air mattress and sleeping bag for you to use. I would offer space in PDML central but it's full. Bill what is PDML central? your house? :) I'll probably fade again, but I'm thinking about it seriously... I have a sleeping bag, actually. ann - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:08 AM Subject: Re: Who else? Hmmm -- I can offer a crash pad for one or two PDML'rs headed south - might actually be able to go to the thing if I got a free ride and cheap digs in NC ann frank theriault wrote: Well, so far I've been offered a ride from DC I've heard something about some furriners arriving at NYC and renting a vehicle, but I haven't really investigated that possibility yet. I'll have to look at a map, and see how far KC is from TO. It might be an option... l may be in touch, Stan. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way, my tentative itinerary involves leaving Kansas City on Wednesday of that week, driving to GFM, arriving Thursday evening. I may start back Sunday, I may hang around the neighborhood for a day or two... There is a conference in Norway that will occur about then, if I can wrangle an invite then I will probably need to cut the weekend short, get back home and ready to travel, but will otherwise my inclination is to take my time. Room in the van for 1-5 additional persons if any others are headed there from this direction. And willing to take a chance on my schedule. stan _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative
- Original Message - From: Bob Walkden Subject: OT: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative Hi, Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:32:51 PM, you wrote: Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans? The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and manufacture of the beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split between the two companies. But does this make it wrong or immoral for the supermarket to do this? Rather surprisingly, supermarkets don't make a profit on beans (I know this doesn't affect the point of your reply). The cost of handling each tin, including scanning and packing at the checkout, is more than the markup. Competition is so fierce that they can't raise the price to a profitable level, or decide not to stock them, because nobody would shop at a supermarket that didn't sell beans, or sold them for a lot more than their competitors (I exclude places like Fortnum Mason here). This is true for a surprising number of other items, too. Even more surprisingly, supermarkets don't actually manufacture anything, other than perhaps bakery goods. House brand products, be they tinned vegetables or whatever, are made by the same companies that make the brand name products. Sometimes, though not always, the quality is a grade below name brand. William Robb
RE: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative
Here in the US, supermarkets do not manufacture their own brand of baked beans. In fact, they manufacture very little of their own brand of anything. Brand name companies manufacture these specially packaged items for them at a discounted rate. It's a way for the brand name companies to sell more volume ($$$) and for supermarkets to charge less, again more volume. It's similar to Ford buying a car (complete) from Mitsubishi with the Ford name on it from and selling it as a Ford. I don't believe this is wrong or immoral (just my opinion). Ford stands by the product, maintains it and takes the heat if things go wrong. They (Ford) put their stamp of approval on the subcontracted product. Same with the supermarkets... See comment on Rumsfeld speak. Regards, Bob... History is not a school-mistress. She does not teach. She is a prison matron who punishes for unlearned lessons. -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian From: Bob Walkden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:32:51 PM, you wrote: Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans? The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and manufacture of the beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split between the two companies. But does this make it wrong or immoral for the supermarket to do this? Rather surprisingly, supermarkets don't make a profit on beans (I know this doesn't affect the point of your reply). The cost of handling each tin, including scanning and packing at the checkout, is more than the markup. Competition is so fierce that they can't raise the price to a profitable level, or decide not to stock them, because nobody would shop at a supermarket that didn't sell beans, or sold them for a lot more than their competitors (I exclude places like Fortnum Mason here). This is true for a surprising number of other items, too. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the ones we don't know we don't know. ---Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/footinmouth.html) The above was a verbal representation of a Johari Window. See: http://www.augsburg.edu/education/edc210/johari.html
Re: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative
In a lot of cases (notice a lot, not all) the difference between house brands and name brands is the cost of advertising the name brands. Bill - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: OT: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative Hi, Monday, December 1, 2003, 6:32:51 PM, you wrote: Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans? The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and manufacture of the beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split between the two companies. But does this make it wrong or immoral for the supermarket to do this? Rather surprisingly, supermarkets don't make a profit on beans (I know this doesn't affect the point of your reply). The cost of handling each tin, including scanning and packing at the checkout, is more than the markup. Competition is so fierce that they can't raise the price to a profitable level, or decide not to stock them, because nobody would shop at a supermarket that didn't sell beans, or sold them for a lot more than their competitors (I exclude places like Fortnum Mason here). This is true for a surprising number of other items, too. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the ones we don't know we don't know. ---Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/footinmouth.html)
RE: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative
From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's similar to Ford buying a car (complete) from Mitsubishi with the Ford name on it from and selling it as a Ford. Regards, Bob... Just for the record, Daimler-Chrysler, not Ford, has a working agreement with Mitsubishi. Rumsfield speak deleted, because Rumsfield doesn't understand it eitherg. Lewis _ Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some good bets! http://shopping.msn.com
Re: *ist D battery behavior
Hi, Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: Where I can found the grip owner manuaal to download ?? http://www.pentax.com/docstore/index.cfm?show=6 Lists the camera manual but not the grip, yet. Might be worth visiting regularly. mike
Re: How many musicians? was Re: where are you ? and digital vs
On 30/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Not often seen on mountains outside Ethiopia: A damsel with a dulcimer In a vision once I saw It was an Abyssinian maid And on her dulcimer she played, Singing of Mount Abora. -- S T Coleridge Sorry Bob, THAT dulcimer is what we here on this side of the pond have come to call the Hammered Dulcimer. My wife plays that one; she is in fact worthy of the Musician title. For those of you over there, there is a museum of musical instruments in Brussels (in the Old English building) which has examples of the (hammered) dulcimer in many forms from many countries, plus more than a few Swedish and German instruments which were the apparent forerunners of the quite unique Appalachian Dulcimer which I try to play. I built my first from a kit about 6 years ago, I bought my second on eBay last week and picked it up on my travels this weekend. I'll bring both to GFM. Cotty Cotty? Stan! Stan. Cotty. Now I'm losing the plot ! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: More lens problems
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, mike wilson wrote: 300/2.8 lurking around the corner for pence. It does sound like another case of fungus to me, I'm afraid, although it is also possible that it is an artefact from a previous clean. Professional help needed. Thanks for all the answers. It is ana artefact from a previous clean, scratch on the coating, said the pro. They also said that there is fogging on the outside of the front element, probably from bad cleaning; I saw it too after they pointed it out. They can fix the latter, they thought, but not the former. I wrote to the seller asking for a refund for his lens back. I won;t keep you posted unless you ask me to, it's no longer interesting I don't think. Kostas
RE: Asahi Pentax ESII any vices
I know this is little late in reply but I was wondering if you decided to get the ESII? I just picked one up over the weekend which had metering problem that I was able to fix with a well-place match-stick. I think the camera is wonderful and I urge you to get it at the price you quoted, sounds good to me if it's working properly. Let me know. I was also wondering if anyone can point me to a good resource on how to replace the light seals (also on my ESII) and where to find the materials. Thanks for any help. Michael __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Re: istD and old primes
From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:18:33 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istD and old primes Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:18:44 -0500 Or simply use the D in manual mode and use a hand held meter. Bill And a last trick: stop down the lens 3 times, set the exposure compensation to +3 and use the green button in M - now you have a nice working AE with an old K-/M-lens. Cheers, Heiko Isn't there supposed to be some incantation you say first before you do the last trick?
Re: Scratches on film (update)
Final update. Ilford reprinted the full 2 sets and sent a letter of apology and 2 vouchers for £3 each. However, no explanation about the scratches or the wash out that goes all the way to the perforation, at least not from them. A friend who had a look though it was badly mixed chemicals. Another though that it could be light leak (all photos featuring these were taking in bright sunlight). The camera is still suspect, of course, which is a shame. I may be able to take it out in bright sunlight in, um, say 9 months. Ilford probably go in the bad books, as they don't come cheap either; Jessop's were suggested as a possibility. I have two more prepaid Ilford envelopes, which I will use together with the vouchers (pushing costs and perhaps slightly larger size). Thanks for listening, Kostas
OT: Enjoy digital
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Re: More lens problems
Hi, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: the sad tale of a dead lens. Go to your nearest Jessops and ask them to search their secondhand database for the same lens. Then ask them to get some of the results sent to your store. You could ask them to search for PK(A) mounts, too. Choose the one(s) you want. Don't pay more than £120. Probably not a good idea to do this on a Saturday mike
Re: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative
Hi, Monday, December 1, 2003, 8:43:57 PM, you wrote: Rumsfield speak deleted, because Rumsfield doesn't understand it eitherg. Oh, no! the Rumsfeld speak has come back again - must be something wrong with my computer. As a matter of fact, I understand it (I think), and I'm sure he does. I imagine the reason he won the foot-in-mouth award is that it takes several attempts for most people to understand it, and to most people hearing it for the first time, rather than reading it, it would probably sound like complete gibberish. It's certainly not plain English. I think he did speak these words, at a press conference or something, so he can be forgiven for some lack of clarity - unedited impromptu speech is bound to look bad in print. It's amusing, but rather unfair, to mock politicians for it. Still, if the calorification is excessive, toleration-wise, exkitchenate yourself, as Alexander Haig might have put it. A written version would have left out a lot of words. As much as I dislike what he stands for, Rumsfeld is not a complete idiot. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the ones we don't know we don't know. ---Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/footinmouth.html)
Re: Filter to desaturate color
Very nice, Tanya. I like the way you've been able to saturate some of those shots without wrecking the skin tones. That can be difficult. Good job. Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Just a quick one before I pick my son up from school - this is GENERALLY what I like to go for Hope it looks ok on screen as my monitor is callibrated for my lab, and it may not appear as nice at your end, but you'll get the general idea... http://www.tanyamayer.com/fairmaidens/pages/j.html
Re: More lens problems
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, mike wilson wrote: too. Choose the one(s) you want. Don't pay more than £120. Probably not a good idea to do this on a Saturday Thanks for this. 120 is twice as much as I paid for the one I have (OK,plus PP). Are you suggesting that I should shut up, cough up the 35 squid (sic) suggested by the technician and be done with it? Kostas
Re: More lens problems
It is online as well. http://www.jessops.com/used/ On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 22:26, mike wilson wrote: Hi, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: the sad tale of a dead lens. Go to your nearest Jessops and ask them to search their secondhand database for the same lens. Then ask them to get some of the results sent to your store. You could ask them to search for PK(A) mounts, too. Choose the one(s) you want. Don't pay more than £120. Probably not a good idea to do this on a Saturday mike -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
On 30/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
To eliminate (or at least reduce) confusion, I would like to point out that
I wrote the reply below to Bob Waldken's Coleridge posting. And indirectly
addressed a question from Cotty in the same reply. The Cotty at the bottom
is NOT the signature, it is the beginning of a sentence I did not complete.
(And the answer to the question: what is he drinking tonight?! is Black
Swan Shiraz, a low-end Australian which is actually quite nice. If you like
a red wine which bites back.)
or indeed positively chews your head off ;-)
A few years ago I used to religiously follow UK supermarke twine guru
Malcolm Gluck's advice in the Guardian newspaper ('Superplonk'). Accused
of always recommending wine, he was challenged to do just the opposite
and highlight wine that should be missed at every opportunity. The two
columns he wrote, I cut out and have adorned our kitchen notice board for
years. I present them here:
[NOTE: written about 1992 or so - and taken tongue in cheek. And yes, we
Brits get hammered as well - smile!]
...White Riochas should be given a wide berth. Treat the words 'Hungary'
and 'Gewurztraminer' on the same label as gingerly as a skull and
crossbones. Pass by all English wine with the possible exception of Carr
Taylor.
Treat with disdain all wine from India, especially if it sparkles. Under
no circumstances go within one nautical mile of any wine bearing the
imprint Gallo Bros; the only exception is the Grenache, which is passable.
Do not allow any wine under fiver per cent alcohol to pass you lips; it
is a sham. Do not drink, however seductive the circumstances, red wine
from Germany. Regard all self-proclaiming organic wines with intense
suspicion. And engage all 'sample case offers' from wine merchants with
the same wariness as a large brute pushing past you in the bank queue
with a shotgun.
The field of non-contenders, then, is pretty wide. And I do not include
other more obvious betes noires. Lambrusco, for example. Apart from this,
there are individual wines I would embrace teetotality to escape.
Waitrose [store] has a perfectly nauseous Sauterne from Barton
Guestier. The Co-op's Lohengrin Trocken wild horses could not impel me to
re-sip. Littlewood's boasts a fairly undrinkable thing called Beauchamp Blush.
Marks Spencer has two utterly characterless miniatures which blow
gaping holes in the Trades Descriptions Act: a Kir, which not only has no
white Burgundy in it's make-up but equally uses blackcurrant juice
instead of the mandatory creme de cassis and a Bucks Fizz which tastes
like sparkling cardboard and carrot juice.
However, the most undrinkable concoction by several lengths of chalk is
the utterly murderous Crimean Red. No supermarket stocks it, I am
relieved to report, but there are, I am told, high street wine merchants
who do. Do you have someone you loathe with special venom? Crimean Red is
made for them. Proffer a bottle, stay around for the first sip and, I
tell you, it's more satisfying than watching the sun set on a Barbadian
beach with the kids sound asleep 10,000 miles away.
(Copyright Guardian Newspaper / Malcolm Gluck)
Cheers,
Cotty
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Re:experimenting with technique
Thanks Wendy: They are done entirely in photoshop. It's a 3 or 4 step process. I'm at work right now but, if you like, I'll e-mail you instructions on how to do this later tonight. If you are comfortable with photoshop, it's not too difficult. If not, jpeg me the images you need to put into a collage and we'll see what we can do... Vic Vic, Thats great, I love it! Did you do it in Photoshop or did you use Painter? I've just been asked to put together a collage of someone's dog doing agility. I just don't know where to begin. Perhaps I should commission you to do the job for me! Wendy wendy beard ottawa, canada
Re: istD and old primes
Hi Jim, on 01 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list: And a last trick: stop down the lens 3 times, set the exposure compensation to +3 and use the green button in M - now you have a nice working AE with an old K-/M-lens. Isn't there supposed to be some incantation you say first before you do the last trick? Just Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious... Cheers, Heiko
Re: Epson 3200
If you use it with the PhotoShop Plug-In, you can save the files in any format you choose. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi ... Does this scanner save files in the PSD and TIFF format, or only JPEG? Tks!
Re: More lens problems
Hi, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, mike wilson wrote: too. Choose the one(s) you want. Don't pay more than £120. Probably not a good idea to do this on a Saturday Thanks for this. 120 is twice as much as I paid for the one I have (OK,plus PP). Are you suggesting that I should shut up, cough up the 35 squid (sic) suggested by the technician and be done with it? Leave the cephalopod molluscs alone 8-) No, I'm suggesting that you send this (obviously incurably defective) example back to the naughty person who tried to sell it to you. Go to a reputable dealer in secondhand goods, who will allow you to look at the object of your desire before you hand over your hard-earned money. £60 was way too cheap for a good example of that lens. You could offer the guy £10 for the extension tube and the hood, as it is unlikely that you will find many others. £120 is a good average price for an excellent example of this lens, with (I think) 12 months' warranty. Whatever Jessops ask, offer 10% less. Always works for me. mike
Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
Hi, Cotty wrote: However, the most undrinkable concoction by several lengths of chalk is the utterly murderous Crimean Red. Tried it; don't agree. Not a nice drink at all but Ukranian wine beats it by a long head. Chinese wine comes in a close third. Followed very closely by vodka made in Warrington... Did I send you the aussie whine jpeg? mike
RE: ...they're good for your heart... (was Re: OT: PayPal alternative
Thanks, couldn't remember which. Regards, Bob... History is not a school-mistress. She does not teach. She is a prison matron who punishes for unlearned lessons. -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian From: Lewis Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's similar to Ford buying a car (complete) from Mitsubishi with the Ford name on it from and selling it as a Ford. Regards, Bob... Just for the record, Daimler-Chrysler, not Ford, has a working agreement with Mitsubishi. Rumsfield speak deleted, because Rumsfield doesn't understand it eitherg.
Viewfinders and TTL on top
Having just been enabled with an AF080C, I thought I would ask a question about people's opinions on an old (= cheap) Pentax with a decent viewfinder and TTL. My background follows. I have an MZ-50 and an MZ-5n. They are meant to differ a lot in viewfinder capability, but I honestly cannot see the difference. I can definitely see the difference between the viewfinder of the ME Super and the MZs and also that the P30 (about to be sold, I hope) is somewhere in between. I had a look at the pages of the star known as Boj Dimitrov. It seems that the only TTL-flash manual camera that costs less than my left kidney is the super-A (surprisingly, the P series that succeeded the super-A don't offer TTL flash). All AF cameras feature it. I have followed previous discussions on the list about how size does not matter much, it's other characteristics that matter to the brightness of the viewfinder and thought to ask people their opinion on the viewfinder abilities of the super-A, the SFs and the Zs compared to the ME Super and the MZs (not the MZ-S though, which is supposed to be as good as its price tag :-) Thanks in advance, Kostas
Re: More lens problems
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, mike wilson wrote: £60 was way too cheap for a good example of that lens. Well, that was ebay. Nobody else bidding on it knew it was a bad 'un. You could offer the guy £10 for the extension tube and the hood, as it is unlikely that you will find many others. Err, my example does not have these either. Whatever Jessops ask, offer 10% less. Always works for me. Thanks, I am quite seasoned with Jessops. Kostas
Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
Hi, Monday, December 1, 2003, 9:52:47 PM, you wrote: Hi, Cotty wrote: However, the most undrinkable concoction by several lengths of chalk is the utterly murderous Crimean Red. Tried it; don't agree. Not a nice drink at all but Ukranian wine beats it by a long head. Chinese wine comes in a close third. Followed very closely by vodka made in Warrington... Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to Crimean, I'd guess. Into the Napa Valley of Death! Bob
Re: Viewfinders and TTL on top
I only have the ME super and ZX5n to compare the Super A to, and it is somewhere between the two of them. Well, I actually have a P3n (same viewfinder as a P30) and it is decidely better than that. Probably closer in brightness (but not quite) to the ME super with the magnification of the P30. Hope that helps. William in Utah - Original Message - snip of the viewfinder and thought to ask people their opinion on the viewfinder abilities of the super-A, the SFs and the Zs compared to the ME Super and the MZs (not the MZ-S though, which is supposed to be as good as its price tag :-) Thanks in advance, Kostas
RE: Viewfinders and TTL on top
Not being an expert here but having these cameras helps the super a and super program are the same camera, the super programs go for less money. My opinion is these two cameras have the best viewfinder opposed to MX,LX,ME SUPER , however the LX has the advantage of not having to cover the view finder on the tripod. Light entering the finder on the other listed cameras will affect exposure readings. JD -Original Message- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Viewfinders and TTL on top Having just been enabled with an AF080C, I thought I would ask a question about people's opinions on an old (= cheap) Pentax with a decent viewfinder and TTL. My background follows. I have an MZ-50 and an MZ-5n. They are meant to differ a lot in viewfinder capability, but I honestly cannot see the difference. I can definitely see the difference between the viewfinder of the ME Super and the MZs and also that the P30 (about to be sold, I hope) is somewhere in between. I had a look at the pages of the star known as Boj Dimitrov. It seems that the only TTL-flash manual camera that costs less than my left kidney is the super-A (surprisingly, the P series that succeeded the super-A don't offer TTL flash). All AF cameras feature it. I have followed previous discussions on the list about how size does not matter much, it's other characteristics that matter to the brightness of the viewfinder and thought to ask people their opinion on the viewfinder abilities of the super-A, the SFs and the Zs compared to the ME Super and the MZs (not the MZ-S though, which is supposed to be as good as its price tag :-) Thanks in advance, Kostas
Re: OT: PayPal alternative
Peter Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's fine, but I object to the same company charging me two commission fees as if they're two companies. They're not. Have you ever bought a supermarket's own brand baked beans? Yes. And they're much less expensive than the name brand beans - precisely because of the consolidation of the two parts of the business. You've illustrated exactly the point I was trying to make (although more clearly than I was able to). The supermarket is making a profit on both the sale and manufacture of the beans, whereas if you buy a brand name, the profits are split between the two companies. Right. This is basically what's happened with the merger of eBay and Pay Pal, only PayBay (or whatever we'll call the merged entity) isn't passing the savings along to you, as they say in the advertising business. Now there's no reason why they *have* to pass along the economies of scale to their customers. There's no rule or law that says they're required to. But there's no rule that says I have to like it either :) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
Hi, Bob Walkden wrote: Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to Crimean, I'd guess. Into the Napa Valley of Death! The ones I've had have been tolerable but had insufferably cute names. And picture of kids and flowers on the label. Makes the bottles of vodka with holographic labels seem quite tasteful. I seem to remember that the Ukranian wine had a battle picture on the label. m The Heavy Brigade
Projector lights as studio light source?
Hi all, As mentioned in another thread I am about to try to set up a small kind of home studio. Cleaning the garage today I found two old slide projectors that I haven't used for many, many years (hardly at all in fact). One is a Leitz Pradovit, the other maybe an Agfa. Has anyone found any meaningful use for slide projector lights in a studio? (The lights are strong (the Leitz one slightly yellowish), however I have no idea what temperature (Kelvin) they are or how films or a digital sensor perceives them.) Thanks, Lasse
Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A few years ago I used to religiously follow UK supermarke twine guru
Malcolm Gluck's advice in the Guardian newspaper ('Superplonk'). Accused
of always recommending wine, he was challenged to do just the opposite
and highlight wine that should be missed at every opportunity. The two
columns he wrote, I cut out and have adorned our kitchen notice board for
years. I present them here:
[NOTE: written about 1992 or so - and taken tongue in cheek. And yes, we
Brits get hammered as well - smile!]
snip
Regard all self-proclaiming organic wines with intense
suspicion.
I been told that there are some reputable California vineyards
(Kendall-Jackson being one) that produce all their wine entirely
organically... and put no indication of the fact on their labels or
anywhere in their advertising precisely because they believe it will
scare people off!
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
Re: Some of my November PDML recordings.
On 30/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Well, I finally got some time to toss together a quick page with a few snapshots from the three PDML gatherings I attended while visiting up north this month. It can be seen at http://optiopics.homestead.com/nov2003.html. Comments always welcomed, Nice one Cesar. Pic of the pics: http://optiopics.homestead.com/files/PDML/111703044.jpg WOW - what a great looker! Fantastic design, perfect size! The one on the left http://optiopics.homestead.com/files/PDML/111703057.jpg Christian is thinking 'Hmmm, yes, this is pretty cool' ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Who else?
Or more to the point, whether Jostein would want to sleep with me (after a couple of beers...) I'll be happy to do the tent thing. I camped in a tent for many years. The ex (then current) always wanted a tent trailer or RV, but I said NO, real campers use tents - we don't need no stinking RV's!. We only had one air mattress, so she used it. I'll sleep on the bare tent floors - I don't need no stinking air mattress! Of course, I woke up every morning with a sore back, but didn't dare say a word... So, if it's a big enough tent, me and Cotty could do that, and I think (if my calculations are correct) Jostein, Ann and Cesar would then have their own beds in the trailer. But, only if it's a big enough tent... vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Who else? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:45:00 -0500 If she comes, we'll work out something. Dunno whether Frank or Cesar would want to sleep with Jostein :-) Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Who else? On 1/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:08 AM Subject: Re: Who else? Hmmm -- I can offer a crash pad for one or two PDML'rs headed south - might actually be able to go to the thing if I got a free ride and cheap digs in NC Bill, Scrounge the tent and air mattress and I'll give up my bunk for Annsan. I'll gladly have the tent - I've been camping many times and am used to it. Ann's *city folk* (Jack Palance drawl from City Slickers) and won't like walls that move ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: [new toy]
It's arrived Sylwek?? Yes, it has. And I can confirm that he's smiling :-) regards, Lukasz PS. I know I'm not Sylwek, but thought I'd answer anyway :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] === www.fotopolis.pl === internetowy magazyn o fotografii
IR Mark on Lens
I'm thinking of getting a FA 28 mm 2.8 lens. Does it and other FA lens have the IR focus point on the lens? I do a lot of IR work. Larry
Re: Who else?
We've got plenty of time to work out sleeping arrangements. Don is bringing tent for Adelheid, maybe she and annsan will share it. BTW, counting the regulars who have been attending for at least the last 5 years, looks like somewhere around 30 PDML'ers will be there. Doug is bringing Don's 1000mm f8 and wooden tripod, and there will probably be an FA*600/4.0 there for us to play with. If you're interested, there'll surely be an *ist D or 2 available for you to play with. Bill - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Who else? Or more to the point, whether Jostein would want to sleep with me (after a couple of beers...) I'll be happy to do the tent thing. I camped in a tent for many years. The ex (then current) always wanted a tent trailer or RV, but I said NO, real campers use tents - we don't need no stinking RV's!. We only had one air mattress, so she used it. I'll sleep on the bare tent floors - I don't need no stinking air mattress! Of course, I woke up every morning with a sore back, but didn't dare say a word... So, if it's a big enough tent, me and Cotty could do that, and I think (if my calculations are correct) Jostein, Ann and Cesar would then have their own beds in the trailer. But, only if it's a big enough tent... vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Who else? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:45:00 -0500 If she comes, we'll work out something. Dunno whether Frank or Cesar would want to sleep with Jostein :-) Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Who else? On 1/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:08 AM Subject: Re: Who else? Hmmm -- I can offer a crash pad for one or two PDML'rs headed south - might actually be able to go to the thing if I got a free ride and cheap digs in NC Bill, Scrounge the tent and air mattress and I'll give up my bunk for Annsan. I'll gladly have the tent - I've been camping many times and am used to it. Ann's *city folk* (Jack Palance drawl from City Slickers) and won't like walls that move ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Who else?
if i come, i can bring my own tent. i do need to know the arrangements for siting the tent, etc. if i feel particularly foolish, i may try to join Mark Roberts on top for some dawn shots. Herb - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Who else? We've got plenty of time to work out sleeping arrangements. Don is bringing tent for Adelheid, maybe she and annsan will share it. BTW, counting the regulars who have been attending for at least the last 5 years, looks like somewhere around 30 PDML'ers will be there. Doug is bringing Don's 1000mm f8 and wooden tripod, and there will probably be an FA*600/4.0 there for us to play with. If you're interested, there'll surely be an *ist D or 2 available for you to play with.
Re: IR Mark on Lens
Larry Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking of getting a FA 28 mm 2.8 lens. Does it and other FA lens have the IR focus point on the lens? I do a lot of IR work. Yes. The FA28/2.8AL does indeed have an IR focusing mark. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
Occasionally, I craft my own drinks. Actually just mix stuff together and see how it tastes. My most recent endeavor is one I call Pucker Power. It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 part Everclear. The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% (190 proof). Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that is 83.33 proof and tastes pretty good. It is nothing to overdo, however. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?) Hi, Bob Walkden wrote: Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to Crimean, I'd guess. Into the Napa Valley of Death! The ones I've had have been tolerable but had insufferably cute names. And picture of kids and flowers on the label. Makes the bottles of vodka with holographic labels seem quite tasteful. I seem to remember that the Ukranian wine had a battle picture on the label. m The Heavy Brigade
Re: Who else?
No special arrangements, first come, first served in the picnic area. If you want to join Mark, you may want to ask Cesar to be your Sherpa :-) Bill - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Who else? if i come, i can bring my own tent. i do need to know the arrangements for siting the tent, etc. if i feel particularly foolish, i may try to join Mark Roberts on top for some dawn shots. Herb - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Who else? We've got plenty of time to work out sleeping arrangements. Don is bringing tent for Adelheid, maybe she and annsan will share it. BTW, counting the regulars who have been attending for at least the last 5 years, looks like somewhere around 30 PDML'ers will be there. Doug is bringing Don's 1000mm f8 and wooden tripod, and there will probably be an FA*600/4.0 there for us to play with. If you're interested, there'll surely be an *ist D or 2 available for you to play with.
RE: A turning point?
The F 50mm f/1.7 lens with the *ist D makes a great street shooting combo, too. Especially if you don't use the battery grip on it when you street shoot. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 I think the *ist D (I didn't call it the StarkistD this time, in deference to the sensibilities of certain dog trainers from the Heartland of the Canadian Prairies vbg) with the 40mm Pancake will be an outstanding combo. The physical size of that combo should work on the sreet quite nicely, and I really like the focal length for that type of work (although I've lately been playing with the 19mm for the street - talk about in your face photography!). As you may recall, I have a 40mm Summicron C on my Leica. I'd really like to see what you're little baby can do for you, Malcolm. Time to take it out of the box, and start shooting (if you haven't already)!! Post away, even and especially if they're family pics. cheers, frank
Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
Hey Cotty, reckon Len will make some of these for us at GFM? Bill - Original Message - From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: RE: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?) Occasionally, I craft my own drinks. Actually just mix stuff together and see how it tastes. My most recent endeavor is one I call Pucker Power. It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 part Everclear. The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% (190 proof). Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that is 83.33 proof and tastes pretty good. It is nothing to overdo, however. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?) Hi, Bob Walkden wrote: Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to Crimean, I'd guess. Into the Napa Valley of Death! The ones I've had have been tolerable but had insufferably cute names. And picture of kids and flowers on the label. Makes the bottles of vodka with holographic labels seem quite tasteful. I seem to remember that the Ukranian wine had a battle picture on the label. m The Heavy Brigade
RE: Some of my November PDML recordings.
A google search should pick up some interesting links. I wouldn't actually click on any of them. tv -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Some of my November PDML recordings. Who's John Holmes? (he asks innocently) -frank, pretending to be Ed McMahon (but without the Publisher's Clearing House cheque) The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, if you're John Holmes. tv _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
RE: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?)
If things work out as I hope, I'll be retired in time to go to GFM. Stan's travel from Kansas City probably passes right by my home in Belleville, IL. Interstate 70 comes awfully close to me. If I do get to go, I'd be happy to bring a wee dram (or a half gallon) or so for all to sample. Are you reading this, Stan? Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?) Hey Cotty, reckon Len will make some of these for us at GFM? Bill - Original Message - From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: RE: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?) Occasionally, I craft my own drinks. Actually just mix stuff together and see how it tastes. My most recent endeavor is one I call Pucker Power. It is 2 parts Dekuyper sour apple Pucker and 1 part Everclear. The Pucker is only 15% alcohol while the Everclear is 95% (190 proof). Mixed in this ratio it results in a sour apple drink that is 83.33 proof and tastes pretty good. It is nothing to overdo, however. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Whines (was: Re: How many musicians?) Hi, Bob Walkden wrote: Georgian wine is something of an experience. Probably similar to Crimean, I'd guess. Into the Napa Valley of Death! The ones I've had have been tolerable but had insufferably cute names. And picture of kids and flowers on the label. Makes the bottles of vodka with holographic labels seem quite tasteful. I seem to remember that the Ukranian wine had a battle picture on the label. m The Heavy Brigade
