Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Sung Nee]

At 03:50 06/08/04, you wrote:
There are millions of idiots that believe and try to emulate him, just as 
there are millions who buy into the zone system which is another 
photographic crock that made a photographer famous.

Hear! Hear!
Sung Nee 

PAW - Best Friends

[Shel Belinkoff]

Another portrait from the series on Shattuck Avenue.  This woman recently
lost her husband, her kids are scattered about the globe, and many of her
friends and immediate family have moved away or passed on.  Yet her best
friend is always there for support and comfort.  Maybe this portrait
captures a little of that bond.

http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/shattuck/bestfriend.html

Shel

RE: PAW - My Son's First

[Don Sanderson]

That'll be a great keeper Norm!
You'll not only get to watch your son grow, but his talent too!

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Norm Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PAW - My Son's First
> 
> 
> This is the first picture taken by my son. I put it on the tripod, but 
> he insisted on setting up the flash, composition, focus and subject (his 
> twin sister). I think Frank will like this one.
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nbaugher/Lukas1st.html
> Norm
> (Please keep in mind he just turned three yrs. old)
> 

Re: PAW - Gail

[Badri A]

Excellent street-shot!  

I've been there so many times, and yet, I've never 'seen' this image. 
Since we're talking a lot about HCB today, it is as he said: 'So few
people really look - I mean search with their eyes. They identify,
Quick! Quick! But looking is questioning, searching. Questioning the
relationship of one thing to another and enjoying.'

Thanks,
Badri

RE: PAW - My Son's First

[Don Sanderson]

Funny, Frank looks older than that.

Don


> -Original Message-
> From: Norm Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PAW - My Son's First
> 
> 
> This is the first picture taken by my son. I put it on the tripod, but 
> he insisted on setting up the flash, composition, focus and subject (his 
> twin sister). I think Frank will like this one.
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nbaugher/Lukas1st.html
> Norm
> (Please keep in mind he just turned three yrs. old)
> 

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Norm Baugher]

Call me stupid, but what the hell is a "histogram"?
Norm (digitally clueless)
Mark Roberts wrote:

PAW - Gail

[Shel Belinkoff]

http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/shattuck/palm01.html

Part of an ongoing series of life on Shattuck Avenue in Berkeley.

RE: PAW - My Son's First

[Shel Belinkoff]

One cannot help but be impressed by the Sergio Leone-like tight crop. 
Exposure could stand a little tweaking though, yet it works in a very
abstract Theriault fashion. 


> [Original Message]
> From: Norm Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> This is the first picture taken by my son. I put it on the tripod, but 
> he insisted on setting up the flash, composition, focus and subject (his 
> twin sister). I think Frank will like this one.
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nbaugher/Lukas1st.html
> Norm
> (Please keep in mind he just turned three yrs. old)

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[graywolf]

As I said, a hairshirt (grin).
However, do not misunderstand me, I greatly admire HCB's work.
It is just that I have seen so many times where a gimic and relentless publicity 
have resulted in a belief by the public that someone is special. HCB, is special 
because of his ability to capture what he felt about a scene, not because he 
never cropped (which is BS on the face of it).

Not that I don't wish I had known the gimic + publicity thing back when I was 
trying to make a living with photography (grin).

--
frank theriault wrote:
Maybe the decision not to crop is a mindset based on
emotion more that rationality.  Maybe it's just a
different way of looking at things.  Maybe it's just
one part of a much larger methodology.
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: Personal Scrapbook

[Rfsindg]

Jerome,
Congratulations, your engagement photos are fun. But your 'Meet the Parents' photos 
are hillarious.  Some of the expressions on your future father-in-law's face are 
priceless.  He's not happy to be loosing his daughter!
(He'll get over it.)  Stop at GFM next year...
Regards,  Bob S.

Jerome Reyes wrote:
> http://www.exposedfilm.net
>
> The biggest change to the site has been the inclusion of
> my "Personal Scrapbook"...

Re: PAW - Little Girl at Santa Barbara Zoo

[Shel Belinkoff]

Yes, you've mentioned it several times.  It's nice to have a fan ;-))


> [Original Message]
> From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Shel, this is another wonderful informal portrait.  Did I mention that I 
> hate you?

PAW - My Son's First

[Norm Baugher]

This is the first picture taken by my son. I put it on the tripod, but 
he insisted on setting up the flash, composition, focus and subject (his 
twin sister). I think Frank will like this one.
http://home.earthlink.net/~nbaugher/Lukas1st.html
Norm
(Please keep in mind he just turned three yrs. old)

Re: HOPP:A Hell's Angels dog

[Peter J. Alling]

As does has every Spaniel, male or female that I've ever associated with...
Keith Whaley wrote:

Markus Maurer wrote:
Hi Keith
we are manipulation photos here but not the stories behind them ;-)
I see, the dog forgot his Hell Angels leather jacket and the Harley
somewhere, that's why you don't believe it...

No, She's lying on her belly, with her legs stretched out behind her, 
as female dogs so frequently do.

keith whaley
greetings
Markus

I'll bet that's a female pup-dog... 
keith whaley

Further on the issue CCD vs CMOS

[Joseph Tainter]

"The whole FAQ is an excellent read, available at:
http://www.swissarmyfork.com/digital_photography_ifaq.htm
Good light,
 Frantisek Vlcek"
Thanks, Frantisek. If you follow the links to this guy's digital lens 
FAQ, he explains why ordinary TTL flashes do not expose properly with 
digital SLRs. The sensor has different reflectivity from film. That is 
the reason for the pre-flash. The metering is done off the shutter.

Joe

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Mark Roberts]

Caveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>graywolf wrote:
>> [...] the zone system 
>> which is another photographic crock that made a photographer famous.
>
>I wonder who'll become famous for some "live histogram adjusting" method.

I'm seriously considering trying to get a local gallery to do a
exhibition of my photography in which what would be displayed would not
be the photographs themselves, but enlargements of the *histograms* of
the images. 

I don't know whether to try to find a gallery that's hip enough to be in
on the joke or to try to pass it off seriously at some really
pretentious place. 

I figure it'll be about another year until there are enough people in
the general population who understand what histograms are to make it
feasible, so I have time to work on the concept. (Right now, I'm still
explaining the concept of histograms to a lot of *photographers* I
meet.)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

RE: PAW or PESO - Which Way to the Lake?

[Simon King]

Hi Brian,
Amazing! I never thought I'd see a photo from Black mountain that didn't look like a 
clichéd postcard.
Well done, it's a corker.
(also glad to hear you made it out of Canberra without getting drowned by a 'roo)
Cheers,
Simon




-Original Message-
From: Brian Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 8:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW or PESO - Which Way to the Lake?

This was taken some time ago when I was visiting Canberra, the Australian 
Capital.   The Telstra communications tower dominates the skyline but I 
hadn't realised that it has a dramatic effect at ground level as well.

Nothing outstanding technically - just an interesting image.  Clicking on the 
"i" symbol provides a bit more information

Comments, of course, welcome.

http://supera.spymac.net/photos/paw/telstra.html



Cheers

Brian
-- 
+
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia

Tokina 12-24 f4

[Joseph Tainter]

I can't read most of what is on this page, but apparently Tokina will 
offer this lens at some point.

http://www.photosharp.com.tw/article/news.asp?Code=20040216000149
It would be nice if Tokina would start to play in the digital lens 
arena, especially for APS-sized sensors. They have in the past produced 
some wonderful lenses. And if they don't, they are probably history.

Joe

Re: Attn: Pentax USA: Help is on the way! (Now: Circle of Confusion)

[Joseph Tainter]

"Hi Joe,
Do you know how they arrived at the figures listed at that site? I'm of 
the opinion that we won't know what they are actually using until 
someone posts the DOF scale values off a late DA lens."

Rob, from a little browing that I have done, there seems to be a 
consensus that 0.030 is a reasonable CoC figure for 35mm. This yields 
0.020 for APS/APS-sized sensors.

There is, as you know, no correct figure. It depends on how stringent 
you want to be. Warren Young, who wrote fCalc (right here in New 
Mexico!), used 0.033 for 35 mm. in an earlier version, but noted that 
Zeiss used 0.025. I note that in the current version of fCalc he adops 
0.025 as the default for 35 mm., but allows one to change that. That 
would yield a CofC of 0.0167 for the *ist D.

I think the figure to use depends on how critical you are about what 
appears to be in focus at various display sizes. My feeling today is 
that 0.020 is a pretty reasonable mid-range figure.

Pentax Japan will probably never tell us what they use.
Joe

Re: Digest V04 #1

[Rfsindg]

Doug,
Did we have a pdml-digest hiccup yesterday?
I didn't see any digests after #993 or so on Tues.
...Nothing on Wens. at all, so re-subscribed this AM.
Now I'm reading V04 #1.
Regards,  Bob S.

Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:49:45 -0400
From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Nobody has ever been kicked off the list for being offensive. You got booted because 
the email to you was bouncing. I hope you got it straightened out.

Doug

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[John Francis]

Frank wrote:
 
> John,
> 
> In your post that I'm now replying to, only two of the
> lines that you've attributed to me were actually
> written by me.  This is actually no trivial matter,
> because I think that the issue of whether HCB cropped
> may be fairly important - at least it is to me.
> 
> I don't mean to dump on you personally, as it's a
> widespread problem.  It seems to me that if one is
> going to quote a previous post (which of course is
> only polite, as it puts a reply in context), care
> should be taken to make sure that quotes are
> attributed to their proper authors.
> 
> Again, not trying to point at you specifically, but in
> this case it might appear that I'm taking a contrary
> statement to what I've been consistently saying in the
> past day as regards this issue.  So, I thought I'd
> mention it .
> 
> Thanks for your understanding.
> 
> cheers,
> frank

If you look at the post in question again, Frank,  you'll
find that I didn't attribute any lines to you.  I merely
replied to an (unattributed) post, which in turn had quoted
your remarks (and had correctly attributed them to you).

You'll find that the attribution to you is itself identified as
quoted text in the conventional fashion ("> " in the margin).
This, in turn, means that your text would be expected to be
prefixed by two levels of quotation markers ("> > ").
As far as I can tell this was, in fact, the case.

Re: 645n & 645nii: Mirror Lock-up or not?

[Pål Jensen]

Cliff wrote:

I am considering either a 645n or a 645nii for
landscape work. I know that the 645nii has a mirror
pre-fire like the MZ-S/Z1P/*ist & *istD. 

However some reviewers (like Michael Reichmann:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/645-mlu.shtml)
found that there was no difference between the n & nii
in his tests using mirror pre-fire versus no pre-fire.
This is because the 645n already has a very soft
mirror (mirror brake).

I am not 100% convinced, and I wouldn't mind hearing
other opinions on those who have used both these
cameras. I mainly will be using wide-angle lenses on
the 645 (e.g. 33-55mm).

I use both the Z1p & MZ-S, and have found that the
Z1p's mirror vibration to be excessive (& use pre-fire
even at 1/60th), while the MZ-S's vibration is MUCH
less. Regardless I use the 2 second pre-fire when
using slow shutter speeds (e.g. below 1/30th with
wide-angle) to ensure that I get sharp images, and it
works great; hardly any vibration due to mirror slap
(on a solid tripod of course).



REPLY:

I have used both the N and the NII. In my opinion you should definitely get the NII.
The 645N has no mirror lock whereas the NII has both mirror lock AND mirror pre-fire. 
The latter is great for landscape under circumstances when you would otherwise have 
used a cable release. The problem with the Luminous Landscape MLU test is that it is 
performed under ideal conditions; ie. on a hard, sollid surface on a sturdy tripod. 
For landscape photographers such conditions are rare as we usually put our tripods on 
moss or worse in a bog.
In addition the NII takes 15 frames a 120 roll whereas the N take 16 and, hence, the 
latter will experience film flatness issues. Also, the custom functions are user 
selectable on the NII model whereas on the N they have to be activated at a Pentax 
service station. 
The MZ-S doesn't vibrate much. In fact, it probably don't need mirror lock! The 
shutter of the LX alone, mirror locked up, vibrates more then the MZ-S without mirror 
locked.

Pål

FS: Friday for Sale

[Jens Bladt]

Hi all
Before relisting:
Having sold some Pentax lenses and a PZ-1, I still have some Pentax bodies
for sale:
Super A with one little dent
P50, almost like new
P30 N, in excellent condition
K1000 a SMC Pentax-M in excellent condition, including a SMC-M 1.7/50mm
(small dent in filter thread - no lost function)


Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

Re: Help FUNGI, FUNGUS, MILDEW and other tropical lens nasties!

[Jim Colwell]

Brendan,

I suggest you get (or have somebody send) a big container of desiccant and
make big dry-packs using basket or cone coffee filters.  Get the desiccant
at a hobby/crafts supply store - it is really cheap if you buy it for drying
flowers.  Put enough desiccant in each filter to make it about 1/4" thick in
one half; the other half is folded over and then taped shut.  Don't move
them too fast, as some of the silica powder is fine enough to come through
the filter paper.  Follow the instructions on the desiccant package to dry
the packs (probably something like 250 deg F for 3 to 5 hours).  Put the
lenses and d-packs in a closed space or container - minimize internal
volume.  Don't put the d-packs on or above the lenses, you don't want to get
silica powder in them.  Make two batches of d-packs and use one set for a
day or two while the other set gets dried.  I've successfully sucked the
life out of a serious fungus colony in a Kiron 80-200/4.5, and I use a few
d-packs in my lens drawers to help keep the fungaloids away.  Nova Scotia
isn't in the tropics, but it gets pretty 'fungafriendly' in the summer when
it's 32 deg C and foggy.

Jim
www.jcolwell.ca

Re: HOPP:A Hell's Angels dog

[Keith Whaley]

Markus Maurer wrote:
Hi Keith
we are manipulation photos here but not the stories behind them ;-)
I see, the dog forgot his Hell Angels leather jacket and the Harley
somewhere, that's why you don't believe it...
No, She's lying on her belly, with her legs stretched out behind her, as 
female dogs so frequently do.

keith whaley
greetings
Markus

I'll bet that's a female pup-dog... 
keith whaley

Re: PUG image published

[Kenneth Waller]

Markus,
actually this photo was taken in early September, my tripod/camera/lens was
located 23 miles north of the image location, ( a great lens that 600mm
FA!). The temperature where I shot from was around 60 degrees F.

In response to your survey question:
> what was  the biggest prize you got for an amateur photo ever?

The biggest prize I've gotten is an Epson 2000P printer, from Epson,
24"X10"X6.6"  several years ago. At that time it was available for
around $750 IIRC.


Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -

From: "Markus Maurer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: PUG image published


> Hi Kenneth
>
> must have been pretty cold out there, nothing for me :-)
> A very good photo and composition...
>
> By the way, a little survey:
>
> what was  the biggest prize you got for an amateur photo ever?
>
> thanks for sharing it
> Markus
>
>
>
>
> KW> http://pug.komkon.org/04aug/northfa1.html
> KW> It will appear in the September issue of that magazine.
> KW> First place got me a years subscription to the magazine, some outdoor
> KW> merchandise and $300.
>
>
>

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Antonio]

I dont think there is any evidene out there  to support that argument at all
Graywolf. Creativity is not limited by the aspect ratio of the camera you
choose - thats the sort of nonsense camera marketing departments want you to
believe. In rality creativity, by its very nature, is limitless. Its not the
gear that you use - something you seem obsessed with of late - but the
pictures you take that matters.

Antonio

> --- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Folks who never see anything out there but 2:3
>> images are, I think, rather
>> limited creatively.
>> 
>> If you chose that disipline, or to use only one
>> lens, or only one format it is
>> pretty much the same as wearing a hair shirt. It may
>> be good for your spirit,
>> but it does nothing much for your pictures, at least
>> in the long run.
>> 

Re: PESO - News Studio

[Kenneth Waller]

John,
Nice job, I'd say you nailed it.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "John Power" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: PESO - News Studio


> I posted this on another forum some time back, but thought that it might
be
> of interest to PDML'rs as it shows what the *istD can do with available
> light.  Sorry for the large file.
>
> I was asked to take photos of a local news anchor, Jineane Ford, for a
small
> specialty newspaper. Jineane is on Channel 12, here in Phoenix. She was
> Fiesta Bowl Queen in 1978 and Miss Arizona, and Miss USA in 1980.
>
> The studio was surprisingly dim. The TV cameras of today don't need much
> light, and I guess the newscasters thus don't have to squint. I was really
> surprised at how dim the studio was. I asked a guy in the studio about the
K
> temperature of the lights and he said they were set at 3200.
>
> It was so dark that I would not have been confident with a custom white
> balance, so I set the white balance to tungsten, the ISO to 800, and shot
> away, at about 1/60 sec at f/4 to 4/5.6 with the Pentax 16-45mm lens.
>
> But of course the lighting in the studio was perfectly balanced and the
> colors were great. The chips in the broadcast cameras have the same
problem
> our digitals do, limited latitude, so they don't want much contrast in the
> studio.
>
> Jineane was very gracious, very down to earth. The newspaper wanted
> "broadcast" type images. The photos turned out very good (shot about 20
> different angles and poses) and this is the one that was chosen for the
> cover of the small newspaper which came out last week.
>
> http://www.solutns.com/jpeg/jford.jpg
>
> As always, comments welcome.
> --
> John Power
> Racehorse in the desert
>
> 'Life is too short to miss out on photography.'
>
>

Re: Outta here

[frank theriault]

 --- Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I'll be traveling over the next few weeks, only
> sporadic connection 
> time likely.
> 
>   If anyone spots a DA 14mm, let me know what it is
> like. I am getting 
> impatient after a lng time on 'backorder'.
> 
> Stan
> 

Have fun, Stan!!

-frank

=
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist fears it 
is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: OK What did I miss

[Brendan]

 Flame wars, nothing new here, speculating about
Pentax, well I'd live to see a 45-200mm F4 DA, but we
know they'd never think of such a thing. Existance,
well nothing really exists now does it  yup looks
like I din't miss much this time around :-)

 --- "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 
> A couple of flame wars, endless speculation about
> Pentax's new products, 
> direction, existence, (much like arguing about
> the existence of Angels).  In other words not much
> of any real importance...
> 
> Brendan wrote:
> 
> >For those wondering what happened to me, finally I
> >have a stable internet connection, added to Yahoo's
> >100 mb email upgrad I cn now resubscribe! 
> >
> >SO what have I missed? 
> >
>
>__
> 
> >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
>  

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Re: OK What did I miss

[frank theriault]

 --- Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Frankie! I'm still in never never land :-( working
> with the oil company ( poor pay, bad hours, but it's
> a
> but ) waiting on my *istD to get here since film
> costs
> are well, very high plus you can't get provia here.
> 
> Looks like no labour day meet for me :-( 
> 
> 

Ahhh...

I only asked 'cause I saw the dot CA after your Yahoo
addie.  I thought maybe you moved back to a place
where it snows and gets frightfully cold in the
winter.  

Wait.  Why would anyone in their right mind to that? 


cheers,
frank

=
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist fears it 
is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Help FUNGI, FUNGUS, MILDEW and other tropical lens nasties!

[Brendan]

OK I know about sticking the lens out in sunlight, the
stuff just grew more!, tried freezing it, seemed to
have slowed it down a bit, right now it's cooking
under a 100 watt bulb with a hair dryer blowing on it!
the silica gel packs all turn colour over night. It's
about 100% humidity all the time and the rainy season!
my 400mm F5.6, the 70-300 sigma and one of my 50mm's
are infested! What other tricks can I try!

I'm getting desperate since I don't want any of this
stuff to grow on my 28-70 F2.8 or the 50mm F1.7 AF
lenses since I was hoping to start off using those on
the *istD when it gets here. Plus the cost of buying
new lenses !! 

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Re: OK What did I miss

[Peter J. Alling]

A couple of flame wars, endless speculation about Pentax's new products, 
direction, existence, (much like arguing about
the existence of Angels).  In other words not much of any real importance...

Brendan wrote:
For those wondering what happened to me, finally I
have a stable internet connection, added to Yahoo's
100 mb email upgrad I cn now resubscribe! 

SO what have I missed? 

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Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[frank theriault]

 --- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Folks who never see anything out there but 2:3
> images are, I think, rather 
> limited creatively. I see images that are square,
> images that are round, even 
> images that need to be printed triangular for crying
> out loud.
> 
> If you chose that disipline, or to use only one
> lens, or only one format it is 
> pretty much the same as wearing a hair shirt. It may
> be good for your spirit, 
> but it does nothing much for your pictures, at least
> in the long run.
> 
> Think about something here. HCB used a Leica. A
> Leica RF. A Leica RF's frame 
> lines do not perfectly define the negative borders.
> There is no way he could 
> frame his photos that precisely. But claiming that
> he did made him famous. There 
> are millions of idiots that believe and try to
> emulate him, just as there are 
> millions who buy into the zone system which is
> another photographic crock that 
> made a photographer famous.
> 
> You know what? I just realized all this stuff, while
> photographic, is really 
> about religion. Oops!
> 
> 

Tom,

1)  I am, apparently, an idiot.  I have no argument
with that, BTW .

2)  In my first post after I heard of his demise, I
did mention that HCB was my God.  Of course it's
religion! 

Now, I'm not in the least bit upset by your comments. 
After all, I know you like to blow off steam once in a
while, and you are, after all, my favourite
iconoclast. 

But, give credit where credit's due.

If HCB made millions (which he didn't need, BTW, as he
came from a very rich family), it was because of his
photographs.  It was not because he did or did not
crop them.

I doubt if most people looking at his photos in Life
or Paris Match or whatever in the 30's, 40's or 50's
even knew that he (almost) never cropped, nor did they
care.  They were simply moved by what they saw.  

HCB was trained in art before he ever picked up a
Kodak Brownie.  I think he could see in circles,
squares, panoramic rectangles, triangles even octogons
if he really put his mind to it.  But, his tool was a
Leica RF (after he dumped his Brownie).  It was, in
effect, his canvas.

Would you buy a rectangular canvas, then paint a
square image on it, because "that's what you saw"?  Of
course not!  You'd buy a square canvas, wouldn't you? 
Well, HCB could have used a 6x6 tlr (except they were
called 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 back then) if he wanted to, but
he chose not to.  It didn't suit his needs.  So, his
canvas was rectangular.

He adapted to his tools, rather than the other way
around.  The other advantages of his tool far
outweighed the aspect ratio of the image, in his
opinion.

Parallax error?  Yeah, sure, it existed.  But from
several feet out, it really didn't make that much
difference in the framing of an image (says the man
who shoots with a rangefinder).  In any event, you
live with it, and maybe even compensate for it (I
don't, but maybe he did).

There's lots of reasons for not cropping.  Maybe it's
just a mental discipline, sort of "if one gives in and
does it once in a while, one will fall down a slippery
slope and do it all the time - then one will get
sloppy with one's framing in the viewfinder, and the
photos will suffer in the long term".  Or something
like that...

Maybe the decision not to crop is a mindset based on
emotion more that rationality.  Maybe it's just a
different way of looking at things.  Maybe it's just
one part of a much larger methodology.

I'm not saying that "no cropping" is the right way of
doing it, or that cropping is wrong.  It's a personal
choice (kind of like whether one believes that God
exists - ya gotta decide on yer own).  Personally,
well, I think everyone here knows what my creed is.  

You crop?  Great!  Your photos look terrific! (really,
I'm not joking here)  You take many photos with your
big press camera, and that has a very imprecise
viewfinder, plus a Big Freaking Huge Negative that can
be cropped virtually at will with no ill effect on
qualtity.  But, even if you crop your 35mm prints,
hell even if you had a Pentax 110 and cropped those,
it doesn't bother me.  I only get to look at your
prints, and I like them just fine! 

I think it's maybe just a bit unfair to criticize
someone for what he's decided to use as his personal
method.  

Just an opinion.  I could be wrong, you know...  

cheers,
frank



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RE: HOPP:A Hell's Angels dog

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Keith
we are manipulation photos here but not the stories behind them ;-)
I see, the dog forgot his Hell Angels leather jacket and the Harley
somewhere, that's why you don't believe it...
greetings
Markus

> I'll bet that's a female pup-dog... 
>
> keith whaley
>
> Markus Maurer wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve
> > follow: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2584630
> > for the photo of Hell's dog :)
> >
>

RE: 645n & 645nii: Mirror Lock-up or not?

[David Madsen]

I've shot with both versions and I prefer the nII.  Both have mirror
lock-up.  The II version seems to handle better, focus faster, more
recorded info, and has a better shell construction (non-slip).

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Cliff Nietvelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:34 PM
To: PDML
Subject: 645n & 645nii: Mirror Lock-up or not?


Hello all, 

I am considering either a 645n or a 645nii for
landscape work. I know that the 645nii has a mirror
pre-fire like the MZ-S/Z1P/*ist & *istD. 

However some reviewers (like Michael Reichmann:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/645-mlu.shtml)
found that there was no difference between the n & nii
in his tests using mirror pre-fire versus no pre-fire.
This is because the 645n already has a very soft
mirror (mirror brake).

I am not 100% convinced, and I wouldn't mind hearing
other opinions on those who have used both these
cameras. I mainly will be using wide-angle lenses on
the 645 (e.g. 33-55mm).

I use both the Z1p & MZ-S, and have found that the
Z1p's mirror vibration to be excessive (& use pre-fire
even at 1/60th), while the MZ-S's vibration is MUCH
less. Regardless I use the 2 second pre-fire when
using slow shutter speeds (e.g. below 1/30th with
wide-angle) to ensure that I get sharp images, and it
works great; hardly any vibration due to mirror slap
(on a solid tripod of course).

Any info & opinions would be would be great.

Thanks.

Cliff


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Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[frank theriault]

 --- John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> 
> If you look at the HCB Retrospective at Magnum,
> you'll find that
> there is a requirement that the images be used
> exactly as shown,
> with no cropping (and not for commercial purposes). 
> But this does
> not mean that the images as shown are uncropped, and
> in fact the
> famous shot of the construction zone behind the
> station is cropped
> (as is mentioned in the accompanying description).
> 
> That's actually one of the HCB shots I really like. 
> That one, the
> rather abstract bicycle+railings (department Vars?),
> and the post-
> WW II shot of a collaborator being denounced are my
> favourites.  A
> lot of his other works (in particular many of the
> Marseilles beach
> shots, and much of the street portraiture) do
> nothing for me.
> 

John,

In your post that I'm now replying to, only two of the
lines that you've attributed to me were actually
written by me.  This is actually no trivial matter,
because I think that the issue of whether HCB cropped
may be fairly important - at least it is to me.

I don't mean to dump on you personally, as it's a
widespread problem.  It seems to me that if one is
going to quote a previous post (which of course is
only polite, as it puts a reply in context), care
should be taken to make sure that quotes are
attributed to their proper authors.

Again, not trying to point at you specifically, but in
this case it might appear that I'm taking a contrary
statement to what I've been consistently saying in the
past day as regards this issue.  So, I thought I'd
mention it .

Thanks for your understanding.

cheers,
frank

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Re: OK What did I miss

[Brendan]

Frankie! I'm still in never never land :-( working
with the oil company ( poor pay, bad hours, but it's a
but ) waiting on my *istD to get here since film costs
are well, very high plus you can't get provia here.

Looks like no labour day meet for me :-( 


 --- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>  --- Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > For those wondering what happened to me, finally I
> > have a stable internet connection, added to
> Yahoo's
> > 100 mb email upgrad I cn now resubscribe! 
> > 
> > SO what have I missed? 
> > 
> 
> So, seriously, Brendan, Wassup?
> 
> Are you back in Canada?  Toronto?  Working?  (I'm
> not,
> BTW )
> 
> Great to see ya back!!
> 
> We've been talking about a TOPDML maybe on the
> Labour
> Day weekend, at the CNE Airshow.  We'll be there at
> noon.  See you around 1:15...  
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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> possible worlds.  The pessimist fears it is true." 
> -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> 
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Re: OK What did I miss

[Lon Williamson]

Oh, Brendan, so much:
Pentax is coming out with a retro KX with optional
full frame 8MB back.  A new 80-200 f4 limited lens.
And also, a Pig In A Poke point and shoot that oinks
when you capture the decisive moment.
Welcome back to the backwaters of photography.  Grin.
Brendan wrote:
For those wondering what happened to me, finally I
have a stable internet connection, added to Yahoo's
100 mb email upgrad I cn now resubscribe! 

SO what have I missed?

Re: OK What did I miss

[frank theriault]

 --- Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> For those wondering what happened to me, finally I
> have a stable internet connection, added to Yahoo's
> 100 mb email upgrad I cn now resubscribe! 
> 
> SO what have I missed? 
> 

So, seriously, Brendan, Wassup?

Are you back in Canada?  Toronto?  Working?  (I'm not,
BTW )

Great to see ya back!!

We've been talking about a TOPDML maybe on the Labour
Day weekend, at the CNE Airshow.  We'll be there at
noon.  See you around 1:15...  

cheers,
frank

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Re: OK What did I miss

[frank theriault]

 --- Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> For those wondering what happened to me, finally I
> have a stable internet connection, added to Yahoo's
> 100 mb email upgrad I cn now resubscribe! 
> 
> SO what have I missed? 
> 



Not much... 

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RE: PESO:life is colorful

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Keith
ask HER dog and maybe she will follow.
There are *certain* ways to the heart of a woman ;-)
Markus

>
> > Here is another shot I took with the ME super, Metz Flash and the M 4.0
> > 75-150mm zoom two years ago.
> > It's a scan from the negative at 1200 dpi, the prints where a 
> bit sharper
> > but as always, I gave them away :-)
> > We had a lot of fun during the shooting and she has 8 prints of 
> a the series
> > mounted in a frame:
> > 
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2586926
> 
> Okay, but ain't no damn way I'm asking HER out for supper!
> 
> keith whaley
> 

RE: A whopper of a WOW...

[Markus Maurer]

Hi David
it is very nice to see how helpful you are.
You did a great job so far on the photo, maybe anybody cares to explain all
the necessary steps for beginners
once it is repaired completely.
greetings
Markus



> Well still a work in progress really, but all the time I have today.  You
> know what the bad part about this is Tan?  If one of us actually gets it
> good enough...your going to ask them to repeat it, since your
> original file
n't really done.  But here's what I have so far:
>
>
> http://www.davesfotooptions.com/pdml%20wow/wowforweb.jpg
>
> Dave
>

Re: PESO: Meerkat Portrait / Powwow

[Jerome Reyes]

> Congratulations on your engagement 8-)

You found that page, eh? :o) Thanks. It was a fantastic time (the trip to
St. Maarten, as well as the party afterwards). Thanks again,
- jerome

Re: my apologies

[Bob Blakely]

Maybe one of the girls on the list can give you your spanking.

Regards,
Bob...

From: "Frits Wüthrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> I want to offer you all my sincere apologies. I am not aware of anything I
said could have offended anyone, but I got cicked off the list and I don't
know why. So I must have misbehaved badly. I am bad, for which I am sorry.
Bad boy.

645n & 645nii: Mirror Lock-up or not?

[Cliff Nietvelt]

Hello all, 

I am considering either a 645n or a 645nii for
landscape work. I know that the 645nii has a mirror
pre-fire like the MZ-S/Z1P/*ist & *istD. 

However some reviewers (like Michael Reichmann:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/645-mlu.shtml)
found that there was no difference between the n & nii
in his tests using mirror pre-fire versus no pre-fire.
This is because the 645n already has a very soft
mirror (mirror brake).

I am not 100% convinced, and I wouldn't mind hearing
other opinions on those who have used both these
cameras. I mainly will be using wide-angle lenses on
the 645 (e.g. 33-55mm).

I use both the Z1p & MZ-S, and have found that the
Z1p's mirror vibration to be excessive (& use pre-fire
even at 1/60th), while the MZ-S's vibration is MUCH
less. Regardless I use the 2 second pre-fire when
using slow shutter speeds (e.g. below 1/30th with
wide-angle) to ensure that I get sharp images, and it
works great; hardly any vibration due to mirror slap
(on a solid tripod of course).

Any info & opinions would be would be great.

Thanks.

Cliff


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Re: PESO: Meerkat Portrait / Powwow

[mike wilson]

Jerome Reyes wrote:
http://www.exposedfilm.net
The biggest change to the site has been the inclusion of my "Personal
Scrapbook"... 
Congratulations on your engagement 8-)
Nice place to do it in.
mike

RE: PESO - Por at work

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Jens
well caught - from a certain distance I hope !
greetings
Markus

> 
> This is a pro photographer at work during Copenhagen Jazz Festival 2004.
> 
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p6472973.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p6473040.html
> All the best
> 
> Jens Bladt

RE: RE Reintroduction--new photo

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Bruce
I love her eyes and of course the hair, but prefer some other faces ;-)
thanks for the link...
Markus

> 
> She has cut her hair slightly but she is still stunning.
> http://bruce-wayne.com/images/large/4561.jpg
> 

RE: posting pictures (was new to the list)

[Markus Maurer]

Hi David

first welcome!

a lot of people seem to sell only slightly used scanners now on www.ebay.com
for ex. or here in Switzerland I use
www.ricardo.ch. I got an Epson 1240U Photo plus flatbed scanner with photo
unit for $35 (was $200 new) nearly new in the
last days and I am very pleased with the print scans, even negative scans
look good at 1200 dpi averaged.
Even the cheapest scanner would do the job, of course it may be loud and
mechanically not well build then.
My old SCSi scanner was better built, bit it is the scan result that counts
at the end and at *that* price :-)

It does take a lot of time to scan and you need plentiful hard disk space
and a decent memory/cpu configuration
to manipulate the pictures after the scan. ~12MB for a 35mm negative at
1200dpi, from 80-280MB for a scan of
a printed photograph.  You will not regret buying a flatbed scanner, if you
already have a capable PC, there
is some good freeware software to manipulate the scans too.

greetings
Markus




>From: David Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:15 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: posting pictures (was new to the list)

>Oh! I should have mentioned that the scans are a nice spiffy 18M. I was
>certainly pleased with that resolution.
>But! I shall investigate scanners! Certainly they will do well for the
>web, which will allow me to put a few pictures up!
>Thank you!
>david

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Caveman]

graywolf wrote:
[...] the zone system 
which is another photographic crock that made a photographer famous.
I wonder who'll become famous for some "live histogram adjusting" method.

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[John Francis]

> 
> 
> On Aug 5, 2004, at 10:13 AM, frank theriault wrote:
> 
> > I think he, in his later life, claimed that he never
> > cropped, but that's simply not true.
> 
> The obituary in the NYTimes said "He insisted that his works not be 
> cropped"
> 
> It's an interesting read: 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/obituaries/04CND-CARTIER.html
> 
> I recall seeing some of HCB's photos at the ICP some years back. They 
> were printed with the negative frame showing. Aesthetics aside, I 
> suppose that helped to demonstrate that there was no cropping.
> 
> --jc

If you look at the HCB Retrospective at Magnum, you'll find that
there is a requirement that the images be used exactly as shown,
with no cropping (and not for commercial purposes).  But this does
not mean that the images as shown are uncropped, and in fact the
famous shot of the construction zone behind the station is cropped
(as is mentioned in the accompanying description).

That's actually one of the HCB shots I really like.  That one, the
rather abstract bicycle+railings (department Vars?), and the post-
WW II shot of a collaborator being denounced are my favourites.  A
lot of his other works (in particular many of the Marseilles beach
shots, and much of the street portraiture) do nothing for me.

Interesting Read about Rainbows...

[Tom C]

http://www.spaceweather.com/
Tom C.

Re: Outta here

[Keith Whaley]

Right! And in your travels, if you run across a Rolleiflex 2.8E, please let 
me know...  
Bon voyage...

keith whaley
DagT wrote:
På 5. aug. 2004 kl. 20.00 skrev Stan Halpin:
I'll be traveling over the next few weeks, only sporadic connection 
time likely.

 If anyone spots a DA 14mm, let me know what it is like. I am getting 
impatient after a lng time on 'backorder'.

Again?  It´s great!
:-)
DagT

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Tom C]

And I thought Keith was just being quiet.

Tom C.


From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: So What's So Great About HCB?
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:39:41 -0700
Sorry 'bout that previous message! I pressed "send" way too early, and it 
was blank!

Re: Tokina 80-200/2.8

[Collin Brendemuehl]

I gave one (manual focus) a whirl a couple of years ago.
It's optically excellent, except perhaps @ 2.8 where it is
a bit soft.  For the price (often under $200 with paint wear)
it's a bargain as it's 99% as good as the $1k camera-branded
lenses.

I got rid of it for a simple functionality matter -- for me
80-200 is a general-purpose range (not long enough for sports 
or wildlife and not wide enough for people) and a 2.8 lens 
is awfully big fo carry-around.  In that range a more compact 
f4 lens I find more suitable.

About the only place I made good use of 80-200 was @ 
wrigley field, sitting 1/2 way between first & second, 
about 15 rows back.  Add a 1.4x and it's a more usable range.
Otherwise you have to be too close to the action.

That's why I like 100mm.  It gives me the majority of what 
80-200 provides, and then sharper.  Next stop -- 300/4.5 or
thereabouts with a 1.4x.  Something good for sports and 
large birds (buzzards and turkeys).

Collin

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Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Keith Whaley]

Sorry 'bout that previous message! I pressed "send" way too early, and it 
was blank!

What I wanted to say is, I am of the "no crop" school of thought.
When I compose the shot, with very rare exceptions, I have already zoomed 
the scene I want to record, by foot or lens twisting, to the point where 
what I want to include in it is JUST what I want to include. Rarely more, 
never less.
I've been doing it that way for scores of years, and it suits me just fine.

Which is not to say my shots are without criticism. Not at all! I heavily 
criticise my own, in fact, but not often with respect to a need for cropping.
So, I agree with HCB's statement...he was just not a cropping type of 
photographer. What he saw and how he captured it was just how he wanted to 
portray that scene... No more, no less.

He'll be missed.
Oh, and by the way, I am certain why people called him a curmugeon.
He was undoubtedly driven to the wavering edge of insanity by having to 
constantly accommodate the early Leica's Rube Goldberg-ish method of cutting 
leaders and loading cassette film!

Poor chap...
keith whaley
frank theriault wrote:
 --- mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hi,

For me, the real tosh comes in when you get the
stories about him never 
cropping.

It's probably more accurate to say that he "rarely"
cropped or "almost" never cropped.
I think he, in his later life, claimed that he never
cropped, but that's simply not true.
I read an interview by his long-time developer, a
fellow by the name of Gassman, IIRC, who said that he
did ~on very rare occasions~ crop.  Derriere la Gare
St Lazare is an example - that's the one of the guy
stepping off the ladder into the huge puddle of water,
caught when his foot was about an inch from hitting
the water.
In a magazine, I saw a photo of the original neg, and
he clearly cropped, as the whole left side was dark -
something you never see in the print.  Turns out he
was shooting through a fence, and a picket darkened
the left side of the frame, so he cut it out, because
he had to.
As Gassman said, that may have been the exception that
proved the rule of "no cropping".
cheers,
frank, who almost never crops, because that's the way
HCB did it, but I'll never ever be that good 

RE: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Tom C]

Much appreciated Vic.

Tom C.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: So What's So Great About HCB?
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:36:05 EDT
Tom I understand your comments BUT. At first glance many of HCB shots look
like good snaps. In fact, with today's modern autofocus cameras, many of 
the
"capture the moment" shots CB took are, or appear to be, easily duplicated. 
I
think you have to study his work and grow to appreciate the subtleties in 
his
work to really appreciate him. His brilliance is in how he often used 
geometric
shapes within his work to simplify and convey a mood... Cdn photographer
Freeman Patterson is another photographer who is very conscious of using 
geometric
shapes. Until you hear him speak or study his work, you may have a hard 
time
defining what you like about him.
And yes, The Great Masters' work continues to be exceptional, timeless but
maybe not as incredible as when they were first taken.
Just my 2 cents
Vic

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Tom C]

Hi Frank,
Thanks for posting such a thoughtful and insightful post.  Comments 
interspersed.

What's so great about HCB?  I think for starters, he
embraced a new technology, and showed what could be
done with it.  He allowed that new technology to shape
what a photographer could do.
I am, of course, talking about 35mm cameras,
specifically 35mm Leica rangefinders.
This is somewhat key to my thinking... he was great, new, different in the 
context of the times.

They allowed
him to get "into" the action, they allowed him to
"become one" with the equipment so he could
concentrate on the subjects.  He could flow in and out
of situations almost without being noticed, and get
"inside" the subjects in a way that a large bulky
press camera would never allow one to do.  He could
shoot several frames in quick succession, capturing
the term that he famously coined, "The Decisive
Moment".
And that would in many respects be a snapshot...
He's been called the Father of Photojournalism, but I
don't know that that's accurate.  I think more along
the lines of him doing "reportage":  similar to
photojournalism but I think it means "not only
newsworthy stuff".  He could take a street scene, and
photograph it in a way that may not interest a
newspaper editor, but was nonetheless interesting to a
viewer.
Maybe they look like snapshots to you and to a lot of
people, and maybe they are snapshots.  But, they
capture life, events, people in a way that had never
been captured before.  Not just randomly pressing the
shutter button and hoping for the best, but knowing
when the "Decisive Moment" is, when everything snaps
together, to create an emotionally and aesthetically
meaningly document.
Was he really able to capture the decisive moment because he had some 
special gift, or because he had a new tool that was flexible enough to allow 
multiple moments to be captured, increasing the chances of having caputured 
the "Decisive" one?

I think that one has to look at each of his
photographs as a whole.  They aren't just pictures of
people, they are people in their environment.  The
envirnment becomes an important part of the image.  A
curved staircase, a bridge fading off into the
distance, the top of a wall or a doorway framing a
subject - that's what makes these things something
more than a snapshot.  He was so adept at using the
surroundings to draw the eye in a certain direction,
to make the photo "flow" one way or the other, to tell
us something about the subject that just photographing
him or her in front of a dropsheet could never do.
I have seen some of his work I enjoy, for the reasons you mention above.
Much of what made HCB successful had to do with being
in the right place at the right time.  Shanghai during
a run on the bank.  Paris right after WWII.  India
during a very tumultuous time in its history.
I think therein lies a key to great photos.  Being in the right place at the 
right time.  Or for many of us, just being someplace at sometime.  I find 
the effort it takes to arrive somewhere or to hike that 2 miles in the rain, 
is often the major effort excerpted when out on a "photo expedition" (and 
lugging the 12 lb tripod). Or for my fox photos, which aren't masterpieces, 
I specifically chose to drive the back way to my house, even though it was 
longer, and was rewarded for the effort.


I know it doesn't have much to do with his impact on
the art or craft (whichever it is) of photography, but
being a founder (along with Robert Capa and one other)
of the Magnum Agency in Paris is certainly a part of
his legacy.  It allowed photographers to control their
work, to sell images to newspapers and magazines
without giving up all rights to those images, to get
decent and reasonable compensation for those images.
He was also the first photographer to be displayed in
the Louvre, in 1954 - again, that doesn't say anything
about his actual photographs, but it does speak to his
significance in cultural terms.
I don't know what more to say about him that might
explain why he was so great.  I suppose if I had to
sum it all up in a sentence or two it would be that he
took photography out of the studio and turned it into
a human art form - in capturing what he came acros in
his travels in a way that was just as artistically and
culturally meaningful as a painstakingly set up studio
or landscape photo.  Rather than controlling what went
through the lens, he used his camera to capture the
"real" (as opposed to the artificial world of the
studio) world around him, in a way that had not been
done before.
I hope that I haven't made a complete mess of what I'm
trying to say, but it's very hard to talk of him in
such a short space, in a real and meaningful way.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, some of his photos were
pretty blurry...  
Okay, back to the job search, and back to
semi-lurking.
cheers,
frank
Thanks Frank.  You made me think.

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Keith Whaley]

frank theriault wrote:
 --- mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hi,

For me, the real tosh comes in when you get the
stories about him never 
cropping.

It's probably more accurate to say that he "rarely"
cropped or "almost" never cropped.
I think he, in his later life, claimed that he never
cropped, but that's simply not true.
I read an interview by his long-time developer, a
fellow by the name of Gassman, IIRC, who said that he
did ~on very rare occasions~ crop.  Derriere la Gare
St Lazare is an example - that's the one of the guy
stepping off the ladder into the huge puddle of water,
caught when his foot was about an inch from hitting
the water.
In a magazine, I saw a photo of the original neg, and
he clearly cropped, as the whole left side was dark -
something you never see in the print.  Turns out he
was shooting through a fence, and a picket darkened
the left side of the frame, so he cut it out, because
he had to.
As Gassman said, that may have been the exception that
proved the rule of "no cropping".
cheers,
frank, who almost never crops, because that's the way
HCB did it, but I'll never ever be that good 
=
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true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Re: Outta here

[DagT]

På 5. aug. 2004 kl. 20.00 skrev Stan Halpin:
I'll be traveling over the next few weeks, only sporadic connection 
time likely.

 If anyone spots a DA 14mm, let me know what it is like. I am getting 
impatient after a lng time on 'backorder'.
Again?  It´s great!
:-)
DagT

Outta here

[Stan Halpin]

I'll be traveling over the next few weeks, only sporadic connection 
time likely.

 If anyone spots a DA 14mm, let me know what it is like. I am getting 
impatient after a lng time on 'backorder'.

Stan

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[frank theriault]

 --- Juey Chong Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> 
> The obituary in the NYTimes said "He insisted that
> his works not be 
> cropped" 
> 
Juey,

While I don't doubt that the above quote is accurate,
I do doubt that it amounts to instructions to his
developer or printer.  The following is written in red
letters above his images on the Magnum site:

"Restrictions : Do not use for advertising purposes.
This photo may not be cropped or trimmed in
reproduction."

So, in light of the prior lines, your quote may be
more instructions to subsequent purchasers of his
photos.

As I said earlier, he "almost never" cropped.  He
didn't like to.  But his developer, Gassman, said it
did occur.  And "Derriere la Gare St. Lazare" is proof
of it.

It in no way dimishes the man, his work, or his
impact, IMHO.

cheers,
frank

=
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is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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RE: PESO - Pro at work

[Jens Bladt]

Thanks Boris.
I just thought: Man, has she got a nerve?
Jens 

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 5. august 2004 08:22
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: PESO - Por at work


Hi!

>This is a pro photographer at work during Copenhagen Jazz Festival 2004.
>
>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p6472973.html
>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p6473040.html

Jens, I suppose this is called "standing out of the crowd"...

Well done.

Boris

Re: my apologies

[Fred]

> Nobody has ever been kicked off the list for being offensive.

Yes, that is ~quite~ true...  ;-)

Fred

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Juey Chong Ong]

On Aug 5, 2004, at 10:13 AM, frank theriault wrote:
I think he, in his later life, claimed that he never
cropped, but that's simply not true.
The obituary in the NYTimes said "He insisted that his works not be 
cropped"

It's an interesting read: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/obituaries/04CND-CARTIER.html

I recall seeing some of HCB's photos at the ICP some years back. They 
were printed with the negative frame showing. Aesthetics aside, I 
suppose that helped to demonstrate that there was no cropping.

--jc

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Caveman]

IMHO he was succesful at something new he was trying, at a time when 
everyone and his dog were learning the Zone System and hauling view 
cameras in the mountains.

Re: Slow List

[Norm Baugher]

Not a problem Steve, I'm used to it by now 
Norm
Steve Desjardins wrote:
I really don't think you should call him "Strange Norm" in public.  
 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/4/2004 2:19:43 PM >>>
   

Strange Norm's post never got to me...
 

RE: posting pictures (was new to the list)

[David Schneider]

Oh! I should have mentioned that the scans are a nice spiffy 18M. I was
certainly pleased with that resolution.

But! I shall investigate scanners! Certainly they will do well for the
web, which will allow me to put a few pictures up!

Thank you!
david

-Original Message-
From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: posting pictures (was new to the list)

My film scanner admittedly a rather in expensive one cost $300 a few 
years ago.  There are a few
of similar quality available today for less that $200.  (That's US 
dollars).  At the rate these people
are charging you'd pay for the scanner in about 10-20 conversions.  I'd 
get the scanner.  You make
no mention of resolution.  Unless they are giving you scans of greater 
that 9MP you would do better
with even the least expensive film scanner, or flat bed with a film
adapter.

David Schneider wrote:

> Do post some PUGs, some PAWs and some OTs... 
>
>Well, funny you should mention that... 
>
>My current set up is a Pentax Super Program and an Olympus digital. I
>would be happy to post pictures from the Pentax, but they are all, of
>course, in 35mm. I found a place by me that will convert the 35mm to
>digital, but they want $18 for 1, something like $24/2, and some
sliding
>scale like that by scanning the negative. This is not really cost
>effective (read: possible) for me.
>
>Is there a way to get the 35mm to digital cheaper than that?
>
>Or, is a scanner the way to go, and I should just be scanning the
>pictures? I don't HAVE a scanner, but hey, that's what excuses are for
>aren't they?
>
>david
> 
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Re: Slow List

[Peter J. Alling]

I concede your point.
Steve Desjardins wrote:
I really don't think you should call him "Strange Norm" in public.  
 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/4/2004 2:19:43 PM >>>
   

Strange Norm's post never got to me...
Caveman wrote:
 

Only at 1.4 ... ;-)
Norm Baugher wrote:
   

- my 50/1.4 is better than your 50/1.7
Caveman wrote:
 

Well, we could liven it up with some great subjects like:
- Nikon D70 vs. Pentax *ist D
- Canon USM IS vs. Pentax Limited lens
- film vs. digital
Peter J. Alling wrote:
   

Is is just me or is the list slow today?
 

   

 

   


 

RE: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Steve Desjardins]

Also, snapshots need all of the pieces of any photograph, e.g.,
exposure, composition, etc., except that the photographer has to achieve
them faster.

PAW - Little Girl at Santa Barbara Zoo

[Pentxuser]

Great shot Shel. I love the expression on the little girl's face... Good to 
see you back for a while. Great news about your opportunity, it sounds very 
interesting and a great learning opportunity...
Vic 

Re: Slow List

[Steve Desjardins]

I really don't think you should call him "Strange Norm" in public.  

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/4/2004 2:19:43 PM >>>
Strange Norm's post never got to me...

Caveman wrote:

> Only at 1.4 ... ;-)
>
> Norm Baugher wrote:
>
>> - my 50/1.4 is better than your 50/1.7
>>
>> Caveman wrote:
>>
>>> Well, we could liven it up with some great subjects like:
>>>
>>> - Nikon D70 vs. Pentax *ist D
>>> - Canon USM IS vs. Pentax Limited lens
>>> - film vs. digital
>>>
>>> Peter J. Alling wrote:
>>>
 Is is just me or is the list slow today?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[graywolf]

LOL!
So true! You can add effective framing (composition) to that.
If snapshooters would learn those two things they would no longer be 
snapshooters, but effective image producers. (I still feel you need a knowledge 
of photographic techniques to to qualify as a photographer)

--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TomC asked:
I also would say that having seen some HCB and Capa works, I'm not overly 
impressed.  I have to say I'm not overly impressed with photojournalist work 
in general.  It seems to me, to be more a 'grab shot - document the moment' 
type of thing, than a 'let's create a work of art' type of thing. What's the 
difference between that and snapshooters? 

Timing.

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: my apologies

[Antonio]

On 5/8/04 4:31 pm, "Frits Wüthrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I want to offer you all my sincere apologies. I am not aware of anything I
> said could have offended anyone, but I got cicked off the list and I don't
> know why. So I must have misbehaved badly. I am bad, for which I am sorry. Bad
> boy.
Fritz, not need to apolgise to me. You have not offended anyone, and even if
you had it doesnt get you kicked of the list. Sounds like there is a problem
with your email client returning (bouncing) emails.

Antonio

Re: my apologies

[graywolf]

I am adding this to the mini-FAQ.
--
Doug Brewer wrote:
Nobody has ever been kicked off the list for being offensive. You got 
booted because the email to you was bouncing. I hope you got it 
straightened out.

Doug
At 10:31 AM 8/5/2004, you wrote:
I want to offer you all my sincere apologies. I am not aware of 
anything I said could have offended anyone, but I got cicked off the 
list and I don't know why. So I must have misbehaved badly. I am bad, 
for which I am sorry. Bad boy.
--
Frits Wüthrich



--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: my apologies

[graywolf]

About the only thing that gets you kicked of the list is bouncing e-mail. Check 
that your mailbox at your ISP is not full. It is best if you download all mail 
from this list, and any other mailing lists you may be on, to your computer and 
erase the messages in your ISP mailbox. AFAIK all mail clients will let you do that.

--
Frits Wüthrich wrote:
I want to offer you all my sincere apologies. I am not aware of anything I said could have offended anyone, but I got cicked off the list and I don't know why. So I must have misbehaved badly. I am bad, for which I am sorry. Bad boy.
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: my apologies

[Peter J. Alling]

That's all right Frits, you don't have to be kicked off the list for 
anything you've done.
Sometimes it's for no particular reason...

Frits Wüthrich wrote:
I want to offer you all my sincere apologies. I am not aware of anything I said could have offended anyone, but I got cicked off the list and I don't know why. So I must have misbehaved badly. I am bad, for which I am sorry. Bad boy.
 

Re: posting pictures (was new to the list)

[Peter J. Alling]

My film scanner admittedly a rather in expensive one cost $300 a few 
years ago.  There are a few
of similar quality available today for less that $200.  (That's US 
dollars).  At the rate these people
are charging you'd pay for the scanner in about 10-20 conversions.  I'd 
get the scanner.  You make
no mention of resolution.  Unless they are giving you scans of greater 
that 9MP you would do better
with even the least expensive film scanner, or flat bed with a film adapter.

David Schneider wrote:
 Do post some PUGs, some PAWs and some OTs... 
Well, funny you should mention that... 
My current set up is a Pentax Super Program and an Olympus digital. I
would be happy to post pictures from the Pentax, but they are all, of
course, in 35mm. I found a place by me that will convert the 35mm to
digital, but they want $18 for 1, something like $24/2, and some sliding
scale like that by scanning the negative. This is not really cost
effective (read: possible) for me.
Is there a way to get the 35mm to digital cheaper than that?
Or, is a scanner the way to go, and I should just be scanning the
pictures? I don't HAVE a scanner, but hey, that's what excuses are for
aren't they?
david
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So What's So Great About HCB?

[Pentxuser]

Tom I understand your comments BUT. At first glance many of HCB shots look 
like good snaps. In fact, with today's modern autofocus cameras, many of the 
"capture the moment" shots CB took are, or appear to be, easily duplicated. I 
think you have to study his work and grow to appreciate the subtleties in his 
work to really appreciate him. His brilliance is in how he often used geometric 
shapes within his work to simplify and convey a mood... Cdn photographer 
Freeman Patterson is another photographer who is very conscious of using geometric 
shapes. Until you hear him speak or study his work, you may have a hard time 
defining what you like about him.
And yes, The Great Masters' work continues to be exceptional, timeless but 
maybe not as incredible as when they were first taken.
Just my 2 cents 
Vic 

Re: PAW - Little Girl at Santa Barbara Zoo

[Gonz]

I like it, her look is very interesting.  Technically the tones are very 
good, but the crop is not kind at the top of her hair and there is that 
distracting vertical to her right.

Welcome back BTW.
rg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Just stopped by for a few days to see what's new on the list.  Hope y'all
don't mind if I post a little snap taken at the Santa Barbara Zoo not too
long ago.  This little girl was sitting in a stroller and caught my
attention.  Used the K85/1.8 and Tri-X for the capture.
http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/litgirl.html
I may have some good news later this week.  I've contacted this
organization: http://www.sixthstreetphoto.org/ and will be meeting with the
director tomorrow.  I'm hoping to teach some classes, do some darkroom work
(they've an exhibition coming up soon and need some printers), and expand
my own skills and experiences. 

Shel


 

RE Reintroduction--new photo

[David Madsen]

She has cut her hair slightly but she is still stunning.
http://bruce-wayne.com/images/large/4561.jpg

-Original Message-
From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AW: Reintroduction


Hi Dave
so, will you show us some photos later?
I went to her website and admired her long hair on the title photo
another Pentax user back to the forum :-) greetings Markus



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: David Madsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 5 August 2004 Donnerstag 00:53
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: RE: Reintroduction

  I did two shoots with internet supermodel
Victoria Anisova (victoriaanisova.com, if you're interested).  She has
worked with some of the biggest fashion and glamour photogs i Dave

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Dario Bonazza]

Welcome back Shel! I get the meaning of your message and I quite agree with
you.
Despite that, I think that some "great photographers" might be a bit
overrated.

Dario
(too busy to say more for another day, and then leaving for a while for
vacation)

- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:56 PM
Subject: RE: So What's So Great About HCB?


> At first I didn't care much for Bresson's work, but the more I understood
> about photography (photographs, not technique) the more I came to
> understand HCB's work and appreciate it.  Apart from the geometry, one can
> look for irony, layers of stories in some photos, whimsy, humor, and the
> like.  What at first appears to be a simple snap often becomes, upon
> further examination, something quite a bit more.
>
> Perhaps many people, like Tom, have not seen the full body, or much, of
> HCB's work, and are basing their opinions on the few (relatively speaking)
> iconic images that seem to be the most well known.  IAC, over the years
> it's been shown that some people just "don't get" certain types of
> photographs.  I don't get the fascination with flowers and bugs, but can
> spend a lot of time looking at photos of complex scenes of human
> interaction, documentary photos, and the work of HCB, Capa, Erwitt,
> Nachtwey, Salgado, and others.
>
> Shel
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Tom I understand your comments BUT. At first glance many of HCB shots
> look
> > like good snaps. In fact, with today's modern autofocus cameras, many of
> the
> > "capture the moment" shots CB took are, or appear to be, easily
> duplicated. I
> > think you have to study his work and grow to appreciate the subtleties
in
> his
> > work to really appreciate him. His brilliance is in how he often used
> geometric
> > shapes within his work to simplify and convey a mood... Cdn photographer
> > Freeman Patterson is another photographer who is very conscious of using
> geometric
> > shapes. Until you hear him speak or study his work, you may have a hard
> time
> > defining what you like about him.
> > And yes, The Great Masters' work continues to be exceptional, timeless
> but
> > maybe not as incredible as when they were first taken.
> > Just my 2 cents
> > Vic
>
>

Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[graywolf]

I can believe that, he did not do his own processing, or so it is said. Now his 
lab tech probably cropped some of his images. And certainly his editors did. You 
have to allow editors cropping space or they will not buy the images.

The interesting thing is that like a lot of famous photographers, most of his 
work shown as diffinative of his work was done very early in his carreer. After 
that it was relentless PR.

I do firmly believe that capturing an exact instant can produce photos with a 
solid story to them. And he did that by anticipation, not 10 frames a second. 
Actually good studio and landscape photography use the same technique for 
capturing the story, only they set up the instant, so it is easier to capture.

--
mike wilson wrote:
For me, the real tosh comes in when you get the stories about him never 
cropping.

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: my apologies

[Norm Baugher]

Yeah -- do it again Frits and the same will happen!
Kafkaesquely,
Norm
Frits Wüthrich wrote:
I want to offer you all my sincere apologies. I am not aware of anything I said could have offended anyone, but I got cicked off the list and I don't know why. So I must have misbehaved badly. I am bad, for which I am sorry. Bad boy.
 

Re: my apologies

[Doug Brewer]

Nobody has ever been kicked off the list for being offensive. You got 
booted because the email to you was bouncing. I hope you got it 
straightened out.

Doug
At 10:31 AM 8/5/2004, you wrote:
I want to offer you all my sincere apologies. I am not aware of anything I 
said could have offended anyone, but I got cicked off the list and I don't 
know why. So I must have misbehaved badly. I am bad, for which I am sorry. 
Bad boy.
--
Frits Wüthrich

RE: posting pictures (was new to the list)

[David Madsen]

You can get film scanners pretty cheap.  I have an Epson flatbed with a
film attachment that works great for web purposes.  If you are just
going to scan prints for web you can get a decent flatbed for under
$100.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: David Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: posting pictures (was new to the list)


 Do post some PUGs, some PAWs and some OTs... 

Well, funny you should mention that... 

My current set up is a Pentax Super Program and an Olympus digital. I
would be happy to post pictures from the Pentax, but they are all, of
course, in 35mm. I found a place by me that will convert the 35mm to
digital, but they want $18 for 1, something like $24/2, and some sliding
scale like that by scanning the negative. This is not really cost
effective (read: possible) for me.

Is there a way to get the 35mm to digital cheaper than that?

Or, is a scanner the way to go, and I should just be scanning the
pictures? I don't HAVE a scanner, but hey, that's what excuses are for
aren't they?

david
 

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Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[frank theriault]

 --- mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Hi,
> 

> For me, the real tosh comes in when you get the
> stories about him never 
> cropping.

It's probably more accurate to say that he "rarely"
cropped or "almost" never cropped.

I think he, in his later life, claimed that he never
cropped, but that's simply not true.

I read an interview by his long-time developer, a
fellow by the name of Gassman, IIRC, who said that he
did ~on very rare occasions~ crop.  Derriere la Gare
St Lazare is an example - that's the one of the guy
stepping off the ladder into the huge puddle of water,
caught when his foot was about an inch from hitting
the water.

In a magazine, I saw a photo of the original neg, and
he clearly cropped, as the whole left side was dark -
something you never see in the print.  Turns out he
was shooting through a fence, and a picket darkened
the left side of the frame, so he cut it out, because
he had to.

As Gassman said, that may have been the exception that
proved the rule of "no cropping".

cheers,
frank, who almost never crops, because that's the way
HCB did it, but I'll never ever be that good 

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is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Norm Baugher]

I think it goes back to the old Columbus analogy: once someone has shown 
you the way, everyone says "that's easy I can do that".
Norm

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom I understand your comments BUT. At first glance many of HCB shots look 
like good snaps. In fact, with today's modern autofocus cameras, many of the 
"capture the moment" shots CB took are, or appear to be, easily duplicated. I 
think you have to study his work and grow to appreciate the subtleties in his 
work to really appreciate him. His brilliance is in how he often used geometric 
shapes within his work to simplify and convey a mood... Cdn photographer 
Freeman Patterson is another photographer who is very conscious of using geometric 
shapes. Until you hear him speak or study his work, you may have a hard time 
defining what you like about him.
And yes, The Great Masters' work continues to be exceptional, timeless but 
maybe not as incredible as when they were first taken.
Just my 2 cents 
Vic 

 

Re: AW: HOPP:Minolta Girl - she nearly broke a Pentax users heart

[frank theriault]

 --- Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Hi Caveman
> in fact she was playing the same little silly and
> sometimes painful games I
> did at that age.
> She knew very well how beautiful she was but was a
> good friend otherwise.
> We lived in a shared flat for about half a year with
> others, and yes, it was
> "Hippy-times" then.
> 
> One year later she was pregnant, married and went to
> the Canaries with her
> husband to bear her first son and stayed there
> 

Dude!

First I hear that years ago you worked on freighters,
and travelled the world.  Then I read the above story.

Ya gotta write a book!!  

That's some life you're leading.  

cheers,
frank

=
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is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

[Steve Desjardins]

Given the number of abyssmal snapshots in the world, taking good ones
must be considered a distinction.  Given the nature of people, what HCB
did was optimised to show human life.  The alternative to "snapshots" is
a posed style like Avadon.  While I do like Avadon's work  (there, I
said it), HCB was still the master of the "life as it happens" photo. 
And while I can't say what he did that was different, I do note that his
images are better than most others.  I personally can't do this kind of
photograpahy for spit, but I still admire it.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lasse- Re: A whopper of a WOW...Request....

[Pentxuser]

Could you e-mail me a good copy of the shot you repaired for Tan. I have an 
idea and I might as well take advantage of your great work..
Thanks Vic 

Re: Pictures

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Sung Nee"
Subject: Re: Pictures



> Thanks also for your kind words. We are all amateurs and although
I've been
> photographing for more than 30 years I've had very little
experience of
> photographing models, and I only did it because my wife and
daughter kept
> on complaining about the shots I took of them.

The model has to take some responsibility for bad pictures (providing
they are properly exposed and focused).
All the photographer can do is point the camera in the general
direction of the subject and take the picture.

William Robb

Re: PAW or PESO - Which Way to the Lake?

[Brian Walters]

Hello all - thanks for looking:

Keith, Paul, Sylwester, you wrote..

From:  Keith Whaley
>I tried to look at it, but got a window that said, "...connection refused."
>What do you suppose the problem is?

From:  Paul Sorenson' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Tried to look - got "cannot find server"

From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://supera.spymac.net/photos/paw/telstra.html
>"connection refused..."


Not sure what the problem was.  It was apparently transient because others who 
tried later were able to connect.  I've just tried it now and it's working OK.



From:  Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Techno-landscape. I like that...
>Well done. I have nothing more to say, just well done.


Thanks, Boris.  It was  pretty much a 'grab' shot.  If I'd taken more time it 
probably wouldn't have turned out as well.

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From:  Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>What's the halo around the shadow of the top of the tower? 


I think it's just the sunlight produced by a break in the clouds - it just 
happened to produce the halo effect.  It's in the original image so it's not 
an artefact of scanning.

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From:  John Power <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Interesting symbolism with the tower. What is below, are those trees or
>what? Did you do any post-processing to get it so bright around the shadow
>of the tower? Yes it points the way. Thanks for sharing. A good
>perspective.


The Tower is on top of Black Mountain which is pretty much a nature reserve.  
The vegetation below is Eucalyptus forest.  Post processing comprised just 
adjustment of levels and a bit of sharpening.  As I mentioned to Doug above, 
the brightness around the shadow was just a matter of luck with the sun 
breaking cloud cover.


Thanks for all the comments

Cheers

Brian

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Unsubscribing for a while....

[Dr. Shaun Canning]

Hi Gang,
I'm unsubbing for a while as I am taking the wife and sister-in-law to 
Broome for a week or so

See you all in about 12 days time, hopefully with loads of great new 
images...

Cheers
Shaun
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Re: Tokina 80-200/2.8

[Dr. Shaun Canning]

Kostas,
I had the AF 80-200mm ATX-Pro (which a fellow PDML'er now owns :-( 
)...and while it is a great lens in its own right (sharp, well built, 
good AF) etc, they are not SMC lenses, and cannot be expected to perform 
to the same standards. The flare control on the Tokina lenses though is 
generally pretty good. Yes, if you shoot without the dedicated lens 
hoods you are asking for trouble, but unless you shoot directly into the 
sun, you should not have too many problems

I liked the Tokina glass, and only sold mine too buy the FA 200 macro 
that I bought recently.

Cheers
Shaun
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
Does anyone use this lens in some incarnation? How well does it cope
with flare, and how much does it distort? Does anyone have a pointer
so I can understand how many versions of it there are?
Thanks,
Kostas
 

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Re: A whopper of a WOW...

[Lasse Karlsson]

Hi Tan,

What cuties you are!
(Now who is the one legged one?  )

I'm not an expert, but I had a go at it.
It's a difficult one, with all those colour shifts and a time consuming task with all 
those spots and artifacts.
I spent some 30 minutes on it.
There is a lot more, and different methods, that could be done to it.
(I also saved a tif of it, in case you or anyone wants to take it from there.)

(Maybe I left it too bright?)

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2585813

Lasse

- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:37 AM
Subject: A whopper of a WOW...


> 
> I've never posted one of these before, and normally, I'd just do it myself,
> but I have alot of work on at the moment, and thought that some of you could
> probably do a better job anyways.
> 
> This is a shocker this pic.  It is a cropped (cut with scissors) scan of an
> old polaroid.  It is a pic of me (in the yellow dress, yeah, with my mouth
> open and probably yabbering as always), and my sister when we were
> young'ens.  My mother loves this pic and I would like to do something with
> it for Christmas for her, but have a feeling that it may be too far gone.
> The circle of cyan that you see on the edges is the result of it being in a
> little oval shaped frame for many years.
> 
> Anyways, I'd love to see some of you work your magic on it and see what you
> can come up with!
> 
> http://www.tanyamayer.com/wowforweb.jpg
> 
> A big TIA!
> 
> :-)
> 
> tan.
> 
>