RE: Moral Dilemma

[Jostein]

LOL!

Well, what can I do, with friends like Cotty and Mike...:-)

Cheers,
Jostein

Quoting Shaun Canning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I don't know how she does it Jostein...but it looks like my wife has even
> managed to cost you money! She's very good at it!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Shaun
> 
> Dr. Shaun Canning
> Cultural Heritage Services
> 11 Lawrence Way
> Karratha, Western Australia, 
> 6714
> 
> 0414-967644
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> 
> http://www.heritageservices.com.au
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:54 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Moral Dilemma
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > HAR. A crack into which a crowbar will take purchase..
> 
> Now don't make me peckish...
> 
> > Drinks are on you!
> 
> Uh-oh.
> 
> Have mercy!
> Imagine how much Pentax gear I would have to sell of to finance that!
> 
> Jostein
> 
> 
> 





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[Jostein]

Hi gang, 

Just firing up for London PDML. Currently awaiting flight ascention in Oslo
Airport.:-)

Only 121 new PDML mails since last night, 8 hours ago.
LOL

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WTB: SMC Pentax FA (or F) 135mm f/2.8 IF

[David Oswald]

I'm seeking an SMC Pentax FA 135mm f/2.8 IF.  I'll be just as happy to 
find an 'F' version, in good condition.

The other golden calves I am hoping to get my hands on eventually are:
SMC Pentax-FA 35mm f/2 AL
SMC Pentax-FA 20mm f/2.8
Once again, I'd be happy with F versions too, on either of those.
If anyone out there is looking to dis-enable themselves of any of these 
three, please contact me directly.  I'm ready for some good primes. :)

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Boris ...

Glad I could contribute some smiles to the Liberman household ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Boris Liberman 

>
> > Just a quick grab while walking around waiting to meet a friend for
lunch
> > at a nearby cafe.
> > 
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
>
> Galia seems just to have lost her yellow teletubbies doll...
>
> It made me smile... It made Julia smile too...
>
> We did not show it to Galia for obvious reasons :).
>
> Boris

Re: * ist-DS flash problem revisited

[David Oswald]

Jens Bladt wrote:
Dave, I guess:
Either a cable from flash to camrea is not connected right (no cut off) or
the RTF-flash is faulty.
Or the TTL "mechanism" of the camera does not work.
Does it do TTL with external flashes? If yes, the first may be the problem.
The camera must be serviced either way.
Regards
Jens
Yes, when I use my AF330FTZ (a TTL flash) exposures are accurate at any 
focus distance within the limits of the flash's capability.  It is 
definately only the internal flash that exhibits this problem.  I'll 
send it in, but I do hate to be without it, even for a few weeks.



David Oswald
Tue, 03 May 2005 15:12:42 -0700
I'm getting ready to send my *ist-DS to Pentax for warranty service. Before
I do I just wanted to call out and see if anyone else has had a similar
experience with their *ist-DS flash, and if so, what the outcome was after
being serviced.
My *ist-DS's internal flash fires at full power always, whenever it's
enabled. That means that if I'm 6-10 feet away from the subject, my subject
will be completely burned out (white). Subjects from 10-15 feet are still
seriously overexposed. This problem manifests itself regardless of whether
I'm using my DA 16-45 lens, my FA 28-105, my FA 50 f/1.4, etc. And altering
the Flash EV setting in the menu of the *ist-DS has no effect whatsoever.
Now, attach my trusty AF330FTZ and take the same shots. The results are
beautifully exposed, every time. ...ok, sometimes I have to tone down the
flash a half-stop to avoid the smallest amounts of burnout overexposure at
close range near shiny subjects, but in general, the shots from the AF330FTZ
are perfect.
Back to the internal flash... burned out every time at less than 10' range,
particularly in low light. Overexposed in low light conditions beyond 10'
too.
If anyone else has experienced this, please chime in and let me know what
ended up happening when you got it serviced.
Dave
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi,

I made several B&W variations just to see how it would look, using curves
from Tri-X, T-Max, Ilford Delta, and Agfa APX.  I also experimented with
pre filtration, using red, yellow, green, and blue contrast filters in the
Convert to B&W Pro Plug-in ( http://www.theimagingfactory.com/ ), as well
as using the more conventional Photoshop techniques as described here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/color2bw.html

While I could get some decent conversions, none interested me as much as
the color version, Albano.  If you've got a B&W interpretation you like,
I'd love to see it.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Albano Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 5/4/2005 7:54:44 PM
> Subject: Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll
>
> I like it. But as much as I love color, I would prefer
> this one in b&w.
> Just my 2 cents


> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html

RE: Lens options for the *ist-DS

[Jens Bladt]

Dave
Since I got the *ist D 8 months ago, my 20mm has become my most used prime.
I have noticed that photo jounalists very often uses a wide angle (24mm),
then go very close to the subject. At f8 almost no focussing is needed.
Everything will be sharp.
My first choise prime would definitly be a wide angle, wider than 35mm.

Then I'd shop for a fast telephoto lens. I seem to use my 105mm a lot
lately.
Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/12431751/

Regards
Jens

Lens options for the *ist-DS
David Oswald
Tue, 03 May 2005 08:50:36 -0700

Setting aside the distinctions between DA, D-FA, FA, F, A, M, and basic K
lenses, I wanted to discuss focal lengths for the *ist-DS.


I've got my zoom kit pretty much where I want it for now:
SMC Pentax-DA 16-45mm f/4 ED AL
SMC Pentax-FA 28-105mm f/3.2-4.5 IF AL
SMC Pentax-FA 80-320mm f/4.5-5.6
Now I'm working on building my fixed focal length kit. Currently it consists
only of the SMC Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4.

I love that lens; its focal length is great as a mild telephoto, very nice
for portraits. And its so small, yields a bright viewfinder, and offers fast
optics. Imagine buying an f/1.4 telephoto lens this size for a 35mm camera!


That leaves me with some holes though: Wide, Standard, and longer telephoto.
I think I've settled on what to work on accumulating: a 35mm f/2, a 135mm
f/2.8, and a 20mm f/2.8. This still leaves me with a gap between 50mm and
135mm, but currently there's just nothing in the Pentax assortment I can
afford at, say, around 85mm, unless I go for an M lens, and even those are
not cheap... so I'll live with the gap for now.

But then along comes the SMC Pentax-DA 40mm f/2.8 Ltd. This looks like an
interesting lens. Its pros are: Compactness, great image quality, great
bokeh, solid construction. Its cons are: wide open is only f/2.8, and it
doesn't seem to fit into any particular suite of lenses.

Is this a lens worth owning instead of my 50mm f/1.4? Or is it an "instead
of the 35mm f/2"? I don't see its niche.


Dave

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

I'm not sure what you mean by the shape requiring an open shot.  

My comment about being closer relates to being at a distance where the
background would blur a little more.  I'd not consider making the framing
tighter.  I was at a distance where the pic had to be cropped a bit.  Had I
been even 10 feet closer I'd not have had to crop as much and the
background would have been softer.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Jack Davis 

> Shel,
> The bike stand's repeating shape, I believe, requires
> the open shot. Don't understand why except it may
> represent the frequency of life's passing stages.
> The doll will soon be collected and occupy an even
> closer relationship to the girl for having shared
> another experience. 
> Thanks for putting it up.
>
> Jack
> --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Peter ... I'm getting to understand color a
> > little better, but this was
> > just a snap with no real thought about color.  The
> > composition and the doll
> > were of greater interest.  If the color works, so
> > much the better. 
> > Personally, I think it's too busy with all the
> > flowers and detail in the
> > background.  I'd have preferred getting closer and
> > had the background a bit
> > more OOF, but sometimes y'gotta snap 'em when y'see
> > 'em, because,
> > especially with kids, the shot's going to be there
> > very long.  Thanks for
> > commenting.

Re: Camera prices on Ebay

[P. J. Alling]

I'm pretty sure that the PZ/Z-1p and PZ/Z-1 have rigid metal frames, 
probably the other models in the PZ/P series as well. Pentax has built a 
number of cameras using this method.

Alan Chan wrote:
--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

The MZ-S is supposed to have a rigid internal frame much like the *ist-D 
if I remember correctly, so let's see.  Rigid inner metal support,  
plastic core, outer shell of titanium.  Sounds like modern Tank armor to 
me. 
   

I don't know about that, I have never seen any picture indicates MZ-S has 
the metal
frame like D/DS. I think D is the first Pentax body with such design. There is 
no
practical difference whether to use metal or plastic mount if it was fastened 
onto a
plastic structure. MZ-S carries this design (so to all other MZ/ZX). No doubt 
the
mount will not be able to withstand the same stress as metal structure do, just 
that
we don't know how much difference. But of course, being unable to handle the 
same
amount of stress on the camera mount doesn't make the body itself less durable. 
Just
that the mount itself will be a weak link.
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RE:* ist-DS flash problem revisited

[Jens Bladt]

Dave, I guess:
Either a cable from flash to camrea is not connected right (no cut off) or
the RTF-flash is faulty.
Or the TTL "mechanism" of the camera does not work.

Does it do TTL with external flashes? If yes, the first may be the problem.

The camera must be serviced either way.
Regards
Jens



David Oswald
Tue, 03 May 2005 15:12:42 -0700

I'm getting ready to send my *ist-DS to Pentax for warranty service. Before
I do I just wanted to call out and see if anyone else has had a similar
experience with their *ist-DS flash, and if so, what the outcome was after
being serviced.

My *ist-DS's internal flash fires at full power always, whenever it's
enabled. That means that if I'm 6-10 feet away from the subject, my subject
will be completely burned out (white). Subjects from 10-15 feet are still
seriously overexposed. This problem manifests itself regardless of whether
I'm using my DA 16-45 lens, my FA 28-105, my FA 50 f/1.4, etc. And altering
the Flash EV setting in the menu of the *ist-DS has no effect whatsoever.

Now, attach my trusty AF330FTZ and take the same shots. The results are
beautifully exposed, every time. ...ok, sometimes I have to tone down the
flash a half-stop to avoid the smallest amounts of burnout overexposure at
close range near shiny subjects, but in general, the shots from the AF330FTZ
are perfect.

Back to the internal flash... burned out every time at less than 10' range,
particularly in low light. Overexposed in low light conditions beyond 10'
too.

If anyone else has experienced this, please chime in and let me know what
ended up happening when you got it serviced.


Dave
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

Re: Camera prices on Ebay

[John Francis]

On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 09:31:21PM -0700, Alan Chan wrote:
> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The MZ-S is supposed to have a rigid internal frame much like the *ist-D 
> > if I remember correctly, so let's see.  Rigid inner metal support,  
> > plastic core, outer shell of titanium.  Sounds like modern Tank armor to 
> > me. 
> 
> I don't know about that, I have never seen any picture indicates MZ-S has the 
> metal
> frame like D/DS. I think D is the first Pentax body with such design. There 
> is no
> practical difference whether to use metal or plastic mount if it was fastened 
> onto a
> plastic structure. MZ-S carries this design (so to all other MZ/ZX). No doubt 
> the
> mount will not be able to withstand the same stress as metal structure do, 
> just that
> we don't know how much difference. But of course, being unable to handle the 
> same
> amount of stress on the camera mount doesn't make the body itself less 
> durable. Just
> that the mount itself will be a weak link.

I can attest, from first-hand experience, that a sufficiently hard impact
will yank the lens mount clean out of a MZ-S body.

Re: Lens options for the *ist-DS

[John Francis]

As I read the chart, they're noty planning a 20-30 zoom; there
is expected to be a prime lens released with a focal length
somewhere in the 20-30 mm range

On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 04:25:09PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Would that be any more difficult than the M24~35, FA 20~35,and other
> similar short focal length zooms they've already made?
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Steve Jolly 
> >
> > A 20-30mm lens would have to be a retrofocus design, wouldn't it? I'll
> > be fascinated to see how Pentax manage that one. :-)
> >
> > S
> 

Re: Camera prices on Ebay

[Alan Chan]

--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The MZ-S is supposed to have a rigid internal frame much like the *ist-D 
> if I remember correctly, so let's see.  Rigid inner metal support,  
> plastic core, outer shell of titanium.  Sounds like modern Tank armor to 
> me. 

I don't know about that, I have never seen any picture indicates MZ-S has the 
metal
frame like D/DS. I think D is the first Pentax body with such design. There is 
no
practical difference whether to use metal or plastic mount if it was fastened 
onto a
plastic structure. MZ-S carries this design (so to all other MZ/ZX). No doubt 
the
mount will not be able to withstand the same stress as metal structure do, just 
that
we don't know how much difference. But of course, being unable to handle the 
same
amount of stress on the camera mount doesn't make the body itself less durable. 
Just
that the mount itself will be a weak link.

Alan Chan
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Re: Moral Dilemma

[Shaun Canning]

I like to let her think she does anyway...

:-)

Shaun

Cotty said:
> On 4/5/05, Shaun Canning, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>We are about to embark on a 3 week holiday in tropical Far North
>>Queensland with wife and 8 month old son. Wife does not want me to
>>take *ist D etc. What do I do? Do I:
>>
>>1. Leave camera at home,
>>2. Leave wife and son at home,
>>3. Take son and leave wife,
>>4. Justify buying a new compact digicam because our S50 can't come close
>>to replicating the results of the *istD, or
>>5. Throw a tantrum.
>>
>>I am really confused
>
> So am I. You're Strine and *she* makes the decisions???
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
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>
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Re: Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses

[Bill Owens]

It doesn't say so on the lens, so my guess would be no.
Bill
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses


Quoting Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
The Optio 50 uses Pentax lens elements, but is manufactured by Sanyo, as
are 
Nikon and Canon digital P&S cameras.
For the most important part -- is the lens SMC?
ERNR

Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Herb Chong"
Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long


ah, but you already have the 645 lenses, and i don't.
Perhaps you should go back and actually read my original post on the 
subject. All should be clear then.

William Robb 

Re: May PUG is open

[P. J. Alling]

How would the non Russian speakers on the list know it though...
Boris Liberman wrote:
Hi!
PS: Sorry about the sloppy English yesterday.  I had been out
celebrating the results of a competition in a local camera club
Sometimes my English gets sloppy when I celebrate, too!  
chers,
frnak

.-)
Sometimes I think I´ll join my son when he starts learning English at 
school next year.  The patent language I use at work isn´t fit for 
normal communication.  .-)

I suppose I should claim the title of the sloppiest English here :). 
I've even invented (and patented) some words such as "Plasticity (TM)" 
:).

But the again, my Russian is perfect :).
Boris


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Re: Camera prices on Ebay

[P. J. Alling]

The MZ-S is supposed to have a rigid internal frame much like the *ist-D 
if I remember correctly, so let's see.  Rigid inner metal support,  
plastic core, outer shell of titanium.  Sounds like modern Tank armor to 
me. 

Alan Chan wrote:
--- John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Nine months ago I sold my (P)Z1-P for GBP200.00 to a private buyer.  
Today  one went on UK Ebay with a standard zoom for GBP94.00.  Film 
camera prices  have dropped alarmingly over the last year.  Only the 
LX and the MZ-S are  now achieving more than a small fraction of 
their cost price.
 

Lens prices however seem quite high for the better primes IMHO
   

Particular the 50mm, not to mention those insanely expensive A*85/135 
lenses in
not-so-good conditions. But talking about the MZ-S, I have been told it's 
actually a
plastic camera inside, just like other MZ/ZX bodies, with magnesium alloy shells
only. The guy who disassembled his own Z-1p & MZ-S, specifically said the metal
mount was fastened on a plastic structure (the screws are different (metal & 
plastic
structure use different threads), but I don't know what people called it). I 
have
checked its mirror box details and it is indeed look the identical my cheapo 
ZX-10
(thick plastic walls etc). No wonder it's so light. I wonder if most MZ-S 
buyers was
believing they were actually buying a metal camera, like Z-1p (the inner 
structure
anyway). Man did Pentax cheated us all?
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Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
Just a quick grab while walking around waiting to meet a friend for lunch
at a nearby cafe.
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
Galia seems just to have lost her yellow teletubbies doll...
It made me smile... It made Julia smile too...
We did not show it to Galia for obvious reasons :).
Boris

Re: PESO and Singing Praise for an Unsung Lens

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
Hi!   I am one of the untold millions (!) of lurkers who read PDML via
Mail Archive, who at last decided to step forward and say something.
Welcome. Don't underestimate the power of enablement. Be most welcome!
Now, about posting a photo:  I did not want to come empty handed on my
first official visit, but I must say that I am intimidated by all of
you.  I really love your photos!  I might post more info/bio stuff
later, but suffice to say for now that I am a mere snapper, I play at
it, and every once in a while accidentally come up with a shot that at
least makes it on the "a, cute!" level, with no pretense to
anything loftier.  With that in mind, here's a snap of a red-eyed tree
frog sitting contentedly on my wife's wrist, taken last September in
Tortugero, Costa Rica.  At the time, I had the FA J 28-80 kit lens
(recently replaced by a FA 28-105 3.2-4.5).
Lovely frog... The pink patch on the clock kind of competes with it 
colorwise, but still, that's a good snap.

Boris

Re: May PUG is open

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
PS: Sorry about the sloppy English yesterday.  I had been out
celebrating the results of a competition in a local camera club
Sometimes my English gets sloppy when I celebrate, too!  
chers,
frnak

.-)
Sometimes I think I´ll join my son when he starts learning English at 
school next year.  The patent language I use at work isn´t fit for 
normal communication.  .-)
I suppose I should claim the title of the sloppiest English here :). 
I've even invented (and patented) some words such as "Plasticity (TM)" :).

But the again, my Russian is perfect :).
Boris

Re: Missed PUG Submission -- PUG Tourist

[P. J. Alling]

Thanks Frank, you seem to be the only one who even noticed it.
frank theriault wrote:
On 4/30/05, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I missed the PUG deadline, (I was rebuilding my entire computer network
it seems), but I had this great concept, I even had a couple of shots,
not good ones but shots none the less.  So here for everyones
edification or derision is my concept for the PUG theme this month.
http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/tourist.html
As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
   

Hee-hee!
There's a certain look about him, a facial expression, something
rather quizzical, that's quite hilarious!
A fun shot - and certainly not like anything else in this month's gallery!
Well done.
cheers,
frank
 


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RE: Thanks to Bojidar Dimitrov

[Powell Hargrave]

Another thanks to Boz.
His great site guides many of my decisions.
Powell

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[P. J. Alling]

Shel, you just have a good eye.  It's not a simple snap.  You may not 
have planned it but you got the best possible
composition and took the best advantage of the color that you could.  
That takes luck, but it's the kind of luck you
make.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Hi Peter ... I'm getting to understand color a little better, but this was
just a snap with no real thought about color.  The composition and the doll
were of greater interest.  If the color works, so much the better. 
Personally, I think it's too busy with all the flowers and detail in the
background.  I'd have preferred getting closer and had the background a bit
more OOF, but sometimes y'gotta snap 'em when y'see 'em, because,
especially with kids, the shot's going to be there very long.  Thanks for
commenting.

Shel 

 

[Original Message]
From: P. J. Alling 
   

 

That kid's too cool for school...
Nice shot.  You sure you don't understand color???
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
   

Just a quick grab while walking around waiting to meet a friend for lunch
at a nearby cafe.
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
 


 


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Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[Tom Reese]

Frank Theriault wrote:
"Sew, I'm done with this thread.  No amount of needling will pry more
puns from this author tonight."
Oh, darn.
Tom Reese

Re: Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses

[Cesar]

Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2005, Keith Whaley wrote:
 

Since I've got you all online, tell me, are the Optio S4 - S5i lenses
SMC coated? Anyone know?
   

S5i, yes:
http://www.pentax.co.uk/product_details.php?divisionid=2&productid=1203&parentid=16
The S4 I can't find; will the S40 do?
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--Optio_S40/reqID--1002/subsection--optio
Kostas
 

I cannot say with 100% certainty, but being that the S40 and the S (the 
original in the series and I do own one) both have SMC lenses, I would 
believe that the S4 does also.

People get a kick when they see the Optio S next to my 67,
César
Panama City, Florida

Re: Vancouver China Town (pics)

[P. J. Alling]

I like because it's colorful.
frank theriault wrote:
On 5/4/05, Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42779416
 

 

Thanks Frank, though I am a little surprised quite a few people like this particular
shot, not that I am complaining.  :-)
   

I wonder if it's because there's a juxtaposition between the
dilapidation of the building and the helter-skelter electrical wires
and the orderliness of your composition with it's strong geometrical
elements?  I think that's what does it for me.  Lots of contradictions
to keep me looking at it again and again.
cheers,
frank
 


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Re: LONDON PDML - final update

[Cesar]

frank theriault wrote:
On 5/3/05, Cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Never met a PDMLer I did not like,
   


Yeah, but there are a few that I'm glad I've never met...

cheers,
frank
 

Hmmm Frank,
I can see that we will have to talk a bit at GFMtn :-)
Okay, maybe over a beer or two,
César
Panama City, Florida

Re: *ist-Ds Cashback from Pentax UK

[P. J. Alling]

frank theriault wrote:
On 5/4/05, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Clearing stock for a new DSLR maybe?
   

Yeah, sure, that's it.  That's the ticket, a new DSLR...
What's that song by Supertramp?
"Dreamer"?

cheers,
frank
ps:  Just Googled that song, and I never realized what utterly stupid
lyrics it had...
 

From Supertramp you expected more???
--
A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
--Groucho Marx

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Jack Davis]

Shel,
The bike stand's repeating shape, I believe, requires
the open shot. Don't understand why except it may
represent the frequency of life's passing stages.
The doll will soon be collected and occupy an even
closer relationship to the girl for having shared
another experience. 
Thanks for putting it up.

Jack
--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Peter ... I'm getting to understand color a
> little better, but this was
> just a snap with no real thought about color.  The
> composition and the doll
> were of greater interest.  If the color works, so
> much the better. 
> Personally, I think it's too busy with all the
> flowers and detail in the
> background.  I'd have preferred getting closer and
> had the background a bit
> more OOF, but sometimes y'gotta snap 'em when y'see
> 'em, because,
> especially with kids, the shot's going to be there
> very long.  Thanks for
> commenting.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: P. J. Alling 
> 
> > That kid's too cool for school...
> >
> > Nice shot.  You sure you don't understand color???
> >
> > Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> >
> > >Just a quick grab while walking around waiting to
> meet a friend for lunch
> > >at a nearby cafe.
> > >
> >
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
> 
> 
> 



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Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[P. J. Alling]

Tapestry, hummm, not quite the word I'd choose...
Gonz wrote:
Yea these threads have a magical way of turning into tapestries.
Mark Roberts wrote:
frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 5/4/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, he was rather frayed. Anyway, shall we cut this particular 
strand?

If we don't, I'll have to string someone up!

I knew I could count on Knarf to weave another pun into the fabric of
this discussion.


--
A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
--Groucho Marx

Re: Film in your hands...

[Cesar]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I must admit to feeling trepidation at taking 1/60 sec handheld shots 
with the 67.  Feeling the mirror move - or was it just the sound?- made 
me think that all the shots would be blurry.   Unfounded fears.  I may 
play around with the handholding a bit with this camera.  
   

I was worried about that,but i have very little trouble handholding the unit.
If its windy at all,i will use the monopod.
Just about all of Brother Aarons 6x7 shots are hand held aswell.
 

I plan to take my monopod with me to the triathlon this weekend.  I can 
move more readily than with a tripod, and my tripod is in need of 
replacement...


Dave Brooks
Not in Panama City, Florida
 

You should check Panama City out sometime.  That is if you enjoy white 
sand beaches and emerald water.
About an hour from here I can take you to see some horse shows.  This 
was where I went the only time I took horse jumping photos.

Come on down y'all,
César
Panama City, Florida

Re: Film in your hands...

[Cesar]

Tom Reese wrote:
Cesar wrote:
"I got back my first roll of 120 slide film shot through my very own 67 (I
shot some 67 film earlier using Bob S.'s gear at GFMtn) yesterday. It felt
great even just looking at the images with the overhead light. Once I put it
on a light box - wow! I have to go and compare sizes with the 645..."
I knew you were going to wind up with a 67 after you drooled all over that
one you were fooling with at GFM last year.
"...Now if only I can get a good deal on some 120/220 film - even old stuff.
This experimenting can get expensive."
eBay currently has a bunch of auctions selling outdated and short dated
slide film. here's an example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4204&item=7511201729&rd=1
This auction listing can't offend anyone since the seller has 947 rolls
available. If you search ebay for "120 slide film" you'll get a lot of hits.
"...and just how does the leaf shutter work? ;-)"
It works great for outdoor portraits with fill flash.
Tom Reese
 

Thanks Tom,
Though I must admit that I have never bought anything on E-Bay.  Though 
I will look at the link and consider it for sure.

Only carrying four or six rolls of 120 to the triathlon this weekend,
César
Panama City, Florida

Re: Photographic projects...

[Cesar]

Mark Roberts wrote:
Cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I should have sent you a skinned LX just for you to carry to the get 
together
   

I'll try to cobble something together to take in the spirit of your LXen

 

Oh, this I will have to hear about.  You better do my LXen justice 
though or you will have to answer to not only me but Frank at GFMtn.

Knowing I can count on Frank, with or without the ears,
César
Panama City, Florida

Re: Film in your hands...

[Cesar]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On May 4, 2005, at 6:50 AM, Cesar wrote:
The only problem I will have now is finding a small bag (fanny pack, 
bum bag,...) that can hold the 67, the 645n, and maybe a K-mount body 
- not to mention lenses...

I guess "small" in this context cannot be relative to the size of the 
'bum'.

Godfrey
The most I have had in one of these bags were two camera bodies with six 
lenses.  The flash and external meter, along with batteries, cards, 
film, etc were in the outside pockets!
I was jesting about loading the bag.  But I can see staging some of the 
camera gear conveniently in places so I can switch out readily...

Hoping not to scare the athletes with the sound of mirror slap,
César
Panama City, Florida

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[Paul Stenquist]

I'll be on hand from six to nine. Stop by if you're in the 
neighborhood. They'll have some food and wine. The even organizers 
operate a trolley service between the various galleries. If you have 
time to take in the whole event, it might be fun. I've been told I have 
to hang out at Zoom for the duration. But I think I can manage three 
hours of that.
On May 4, 2005, at 7:01 PM, william sawyer wrote:

Will I see you there, Paul?
Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:24 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: OT: Gallery Show, No Pentax
I have a one-day gallery show coming up this Friday. It's part of a 
Gallery
Tour day in Birmingham, Michigan. My work is going to be displayed at 
Zoom,
a photography gallery on Old Main Street next to the Birmingham 
Theater. My
exhibit includes 9 photos and a  theme manuscript. Eight of the photos 
are
people/street shots from Europe that I took with my old screwmount 
Leica.
Some were originally color, but I've printed them all as BW. I took
considerable pains to make them indistinguishable. The ninth photo is 
the
shot of my Leica IIIf that's in this month's PUG. The theme is "Barnack
Cameras on the Streets of Europe." I wrote a short piece about the 
tradition
of street photography and the Leica rangefinder's role in that genre's
history. The show will be brief. It runs from 6 PM to 9 PM on Friday
evening, but it should be fun.

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Paul Stenquist]

Ditto. It reminded me of my now grown daughters and those boxes full of 
headless Barbies inthe basement .
Paul
On May 4, 2005, at 5:37 PM, Cotty wrote:

On 4/5/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
Just a quick grab while walking around waiting to meet a friend for 
lunch
at a nearby cafe.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
Made me smile. I like it.

Cheers,
  Cotty
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Re: PESO and Singing Praise for an Unsung Lens

[Paul Stenquist]

Welcome to the list Unc! And I like the pic. Cute little bugger, he is.
Paul
On May 4, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:
Very nice photo!
I hope your "intimidation" doesn't include my photos.
I sorta think of myself as the "comic relief" among
photographers! ;-)
Welcome out of "Lurkdom"!
Don
-Original Message-
From: UncaMikey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:47 PM
To: PDML
Subject: PESO and Singing Praise for an Unsung Lens
Now, about posting a photo:  I did not want to come empty handed on my
first official visit, but I must say that I am intimidated by all of
you.  I really love your photos!
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3334304";>http://
www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3334304
I look forward to any comments, either on the lens or my snap.
*>UncaMikey
P.S.  It sure would be nice if PDML had the equivalent of listserv's
"nomail" command -- is that a touchy subject around here?

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Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Mark. The gallery owner told me she's expecting a couple hundred 
people. The Birmingham Gallery Tour is apparently a popular event. She 
asked if I had any more work that I'd like to show, so I added three 11 
x 17  booze pictures  : the red wine, the cosmopolitan, and the blue 
cocktail.
On May 4, 2005, at 5:14 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:

Congrats, Paul - hopefully you'll get a good turn out. I'd head over 
to see it but am tired up that night (roped into concert ushering...)

- MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:24 AM
Subject: OT: Gallery Show, No Pentax

I have a one-day gallery show coming up this Friday. It's part of a 
Gallery Tour day in Birmingham, Michigan. My work is going to be 
displayed at Zoom, a photography gallery on Old Main Street next to 
the Birmingham Theater. My exhibit includes 9 photos and a  theme 
manuscript. Eight of the photos are people/street shots from Europe 
that I took with my old screwmount Leica. Some were originally color, 
but I've printed them all as BW. I took considerable pains to make 
them indistinguishable. The ninth photo is the shot of my Leica IIIf 
that's in this month's PUG. The theme is "Barnack Cameras on the 
Streets of Europe." I wrote a short piece about the tradition of 
street photography and the Leica rangefinder's role in that genre's 
history. The show will be brief. It runs from 6 PM to 9 PM on Friday 
evening, but it should be fun.

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Albano Garcia]

I like it. But as much as I love color, I would prefer
this one in b&w.
Just my 2 cents

Albano


--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a quick grab while walking around waiting to
> meet a friend for lunch
> at a nearby cafe.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
> 
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> 

Albano Garcia
Photography & Graphic Design
http://www.albanogarcia.com.ar
http://www.flaneur.com.ar
 
 

 






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RE: Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses

[Tom C]

Next question... who builds the *istD and *istDs?
Tom C.

From: Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List 
Subject: Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:42:42 +0200
Hi all,
as a side note to digital cameras: Does Pentax build the Optio 50 on their
own?
I was surprised that the camera very much looks like models from premier,
escpecially from the back.
See e.g. http://www.premierimage.pl
Looks to me as if Premier builds the Konica Minolta Dimage E40 and E50,
too.
I don't know about the recent cooperations of Pentax. I remember the
cooperation of HP (C618, C912) and Pentax. While the 3rd party analog
lenses are gone by now (such as the Cosina 100/f4 macro), there may be
more and more OEM and relabel prodcuts for the digital market.
Are there any 3rd party DSLR lenses behind the Pentax label?

Here's a short overview of some 'Premier' models:
That's the model with 5 MP (5.2 MP CCD) and 2.5" display.
* Premier DS-5330
* BenQ DC E53
* Konica Minolta E50
* Maginon Slimline X5
* Minox DC 5222
* Rollei Prego dp5200
* Traveler Slimline X5
* Voigtlaender Virtus D5
The smaller version  (4 MP, 2" display) matches to
* Premier DS-4330 or better
* Premier DS-4331
* BenQ DC E43
* Centon DC4s
* Konica Minolta E40
* Minox DC 4211
* Rollei Prego dp4200
* Voigtlaender Virtus D4
Pentax Optio 50 is 5 MP, but 1.8" display only. There's no other
low cost manufacturer with 2.5" display, other than Sony (but 132 000
pixels only, instead of 201 000 pixels).

Re: Missed PUG Submission -- PUG Tourist

[frank theriault]

On 4/30/05, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I missed the PUG deadline, (I was rebuilding my entire computer network
> it seems), but I had this great concept, I even had a couple of shots,
> not good ones but shots none the less.  So here for everyones
> edification or derision is my concept for the PUG theme this month.
> 
> http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/tourist.html
> 
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
> 

Hee-hee!

There's a certain look about him, a facial expression, something
rather quizzical, that's quite hilarious!

A fun shot - and certainly not like anything else in this month's gallery!

Well done.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses

[David Oswald]

Joseph Tainter wrote:
"The Optio 50 uses Pentax lens elements, but is manufactured by Sanyo, 
as are Nikon and Canon digital P&S cameras."

Really? I thought Ramon and Gloria assembled them in the Philippines.
My *ist-DS's strap was assembled by Ramon and Gloria, in the 
Philippines. ;)  My wife was too (well, assembled in the Phillipines at 
least, but not by Ramon and Gloria.) *grin*

Re: Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses

[Joseph Tainter]

"The Optio 50 uses Pentax lens elements, but is manufactured by Sanyo, 
as are Nikon and Canon digital P&S cameras."

Really? I thought Ramon and Gloria assembled them in the Philippines.
Joe

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

;-))  Thanks for looking and commenting, Frank

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: frank theriault 

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
> > 
> > 
> > Shel
>
> Nice.  Very nice.  The innocence of childhood has been captured.  
>
> I really like it.

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Bob, John ...

I see what you were confusing as a tortoise.  No, it's not a catus,
although it is a succulent.  Not to put too fine a point on it, while cacti
are succulents, not all succulents are cacti.  This particular plant looks
to be an Echeveria agavoides.

Thanks for the kind comment about the pic, John.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: John Forbes 

> It's a form of cactus, in the shape of a large sprout.
>
> Super picture.  Not just a good moment, but a good composition.  And the  
> colour helps.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, 04 May 2005 23:02:13 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Very good. Is that a tortoise in the background?
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >  Bob
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: 04 May 2005 22:35
> >> To: PDML
> >> Subject: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll
> >>
> >> Just a quick grab while walking around waiting to meet a
> >> friend for lunch at a nearby cafe.
> >>
> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Shel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> -- 
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>
>
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Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

That makes me smile ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Cotty

> >http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
>
> Made me smile. I like it.

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Peter ... I'm getting to understand color a little better, but this was
just a snap with no real thought about color.  The composition and the doll
were of greater interest.  If the color works, so much the better. 
Personally, I think it's too busy with all the flowers and detail in the
background.  I'd have preferred getting closer and had the background a bit
more OOF, but sometimes y'gotta snap 'em when y'see 'em, because,
especially with kids, the shot's going to be there very long.  Thanks for
commenting.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: P. J. Alling 

> That kid's too cool for school...
>
> Nice shot.  You sure you don't understand color???
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> >Just a quick grab while walking around waiting to meet a friend for lunch
> >at a nearby cafe.
> >
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html

RE: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Bob ... thanks for commenting.  See my reply to John about the tortoise
;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bob W 

> Very good. Is that a tortoise in the background?

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

Too much Barbie Booze in the afternoon will do it ;-))  Nice that you feel
good ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Scott Loveless 

> I think she may have tripped.  Or maybe she was pushed!  Good shot,
> Shel.  Very 'feel good'.


> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[Shel Belinkoff]

Well, Godfrey, if it can make a kvetch like you smile    ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
>
> Made me smile, success! ;-)

Re: OT - Scratches or Dust or What?

[Shel Belinkoff]

I took another look at it. Dirt on the film.  Jest blowed it away.  All's
well  thanks to all who replied.

Shel 


> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/scratch-or-dust.jpg

Re: Packing...

[Herb Chong]

no 77/1.8 Ltd?
Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: Packing...


I'm starting to pack for the UK trip. Only the important stuff at this
point - the camera gear ;-)
So far:
ist-D
80-200/2.8
31/1.8 Ltd
43/1.9 Ltd
Tamron 17-35
1.7x AF TC
MX
645
45/2.8
200/4.0
Sigma DG-500 flash
Gitzo carbon fibre tripod
I might see if I can work in the 15/3.5 as well...

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[williamsp]

Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> Very funny. You're keeping me in stitches.

There's nothing weft to say...





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Re: *ist-Ds Cashback from Pentax UK

[Herb Chong]

i doubt. timing is odd for anything except a response to dropping sales 
because of the Rebel XT and D50 announcements. a late summer announcement 
would make sense for Xmas.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "John Whittingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: *ist-Ds Cashback from Pentax UK


Clearing stock for a new DSLR maybe?

Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long

[Herb Chong]

ah, but you already have the 645 lenses, and i don't.
Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long


If you want a 16mp Canon and a few lenses, it's gonna be at least that 
much as well, isn't it?

Re: trying to answer Mark Roberts email....

[Mark Roberts]

"Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On 4 May 2005 at 16:35, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> The Passive Spam Block List is unique in that you can remove your IP
>> address from the list yourself, no questions asked (I just did it for
>> you). But it will be added back as soon as it emits spam again, which
>> will be in a few hours if you really do have a virus.
>
>I have a fixed IP address and it's not spam blocked nor has it ever generated 
>spam yet I can't send email to your address or view your web pages. I couldn't 
>using my previous ISP either. It's a pity that your domain seems to be off 
>limits to so many users?

I've explained this before: Some users in Australia can't access my web
site because my host was subject to a DOS attack from some Australian IP
space. When my admin contacted those responsible for the netblock from
which the attack came and asked them to do something about it they
basically told him to fsck off. So that block of IP space has been
blocked at the border routers: No email, no HTTP connections - no avenue
through which another DOS attack could conceivably come. Presumably you
are in that IP space.
I'll ask my host if he can unblock this space - as I understand it,
Australia has recently passed some laws (that actually have teeth)
against this sort of thing.

-- 
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Photography and writing
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Re: OT - Scratches or Dust or What?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: Re: OT - Scratches or Dust or What?


Those look like dust on the film at time of exposure. Or, possibly, 
embedded into the emulsion by a roller transport processing machine.
I concur. Junk that large should be visible if imbedded in the film. If you 
can't see the stuff, it was most likely in your camera.

William Robb 

Re: OT - Scratches or Dust or What?

[Alan Chan]

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recently one of the labs here has returned a few rolls of slide film that
> has a lot of black spots and lines on it.  Can anyone tell me if these are
> scratches, dust, crud in the water that's settled on the film, or what they
> may be?  Thanks!
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/scratch-or-dust.jpg

Don't think they are scratch at all. Look like something sticked on the 
surfaces of
the slides.

Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan



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Re: Cleaning slides

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Coyle"
Subject: Cleaning slides


I have been given several dozen slides dating back to the 1960's which were 
water damaged some years ago, and have been asked to see if they can be 
cleaned up.  Many of them have emulsion damage as a result of the 
immersion, and they will never be fully recoverable, but there are quite a 
few where there is just a layer of grime to remove.

My thoughts are:
1.  Use just a proprietary slide cleaning fluid.
2.  Try a warm water rinse first to see if I can float off most of the 
debris, then use the cleaner.
3.  Just use the rinse.

Anyone have any experience with this, or can offer other suggestions, 
please?
First, air gun them to remove the loose grot
You will have to demount them,
After that, put a few at a time into a good sized dish (a pyrex casserole is 
good) that has an inch or so of lukewarm water, just warm enough that it is 
comfortable to keep hands in that has had a dollop of either Photo Flo or a 
really good dish detergent (the purer the better). Soak half dozen or so at 
a time, whatever you think is comforatble.
Don't dither about sliding the film into the cleaner, just slide them under 
the surface, and make sure they stay there.
Let your fingers soak as well, you want the skin of your fingertips and 
thumbs to be nice and soft.
After everything is nice and soaked, swirl each slide around the dish a bit, 
don't let them touch each other, the edges are sharper than the emulsion is 
hard. This will knock off the easily dislodged grot. Then, you can GENTLY 
rub much of the rest of the grime off the emulsion and base.
Rinse several times in fresh water, finishing with either a distilled water 
rinse (two baths please) or a Photo Flo rinse.
Devise a way in advance to dry the things.
If you have a table saw, you can run a few kerfs down a scrap of wood and 
let the transparencies sit in the kerf to dry.

I would inspect carefully as I went along to ensure that no damage was being 
done.

William Robb 

Re: OT - Scratches or Dust or What?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Those look like dust on the film at time of exposure. Or, possibly, 
embedded into the emulsion by a roller transport processing machine.

Godfrey
On May 4, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Recently one of the labs here has returned a few rolls of slide film 
that
has a lot of black spots and lines on it.  Can anyone tell me if these 
are
scratches, dust, crud in the water that's settled on the film, or what 
they
may be?  Thanks!

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/scratch-or-dust.jpg
Shel

Re: Camera prices on Ebay

[Alan Chan]

--- Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did Pentax ever suggest that the MZ-S was a full metal body? I don't see the 
> problem with using plastics as long as they are dimensionally stable, of the 
> required strength and good mechanical design.

Actually I have never been able to find any reference to its inner structure, 
except
they mentioned the alloy shells in their brochures. But if I remember 
correctly, Pal
emphasized many times that the MZ-S was the strongest built Pentax 135 body. 
But if
it's inner structure was the same/similar as other MZ/ZX bodies, how was that
possible? Not that I am allergic to plastic , but at least D/DS bodies have 
metal
sub-frames too so there must be some reason. Beside, there were at least 2 
cases I
read that the camera mounts were torn from the camera because they were fastened
onto the plastic structures (MZ-5 I believe).

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OT - Scratches or Dust or What?

[Shel Belinkoff]

Recently one of the labs here has returned a few rolls of slide film that
has a lot of black spots and lines on it.  Can anyone tell me if these are
scratches, dust, crud in the water that's settled on the film, or what they
may be?  Thanks!

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/scratch-or-dust.jpg


Shel 

Re: PESO and Singing Praise for an Unsung Lens

[Alan Chan]

--- UncaMikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!   I am one of the untold millions (!) of lurkers who read PDML via
> Mail Archive, who at last decided to step forward and say something.
> ...

Your photo reminds me of my 1st encounter with a tree frog found in a phone 
booth in
Gold Coast (Rainbow Beach I believe). Unfortunately it was at night and I did 
not
have the flash with me. I too handled it which is kind of sticky and interesting
experience. Btw, what's the frog was doing in the phone booth anyway, there 
wasn't
even any trees around?

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Re: trying to answer Mark Roberts email....

[Rob Studdert]

On 4 May 2005 at 16:35, Mark Roberts wrote:

> The Passive Spam Block List is unique in that you can remove your IP
> address from the list yourself, no questions asked (I just did it for
> you). But it will be added back as soon as it emits spam again, which
> will be in a few hours if you really do have a virus.

I have a fixed IP address and it's not spam blocked nor has it ever generated 
spam yet I can't send email to your address or view your web pages. I couldn't 
using my previous ISP either. It's a pity that your domain seems to be off 
limits to so many users?


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Camera prices on Ebay

[Rob Studdert]

On 4 May 2005 at 17:09, Alan Chan wrote:


> But talking about the MZ-S, I have been told it's
> actually a plastic camera inside, just like other MZ/ZX bodies, with magnesium
> alloy shells only. The guy who disassembled his own Z-1p & MZ-S, specifically
> said the metal mount was fastened on a plastic structure (the screws are
> different (metal & plastic structure use different threads), but I don't know
> what people called it). I have checked its mirror box details and it is indeed
> look the identical my cheapo ZX-10 (thick plastic walls etc). No wonder it's 
> so
> light. I wonder if most MZ-S buyers was believing they were actually buying a
> metal camera, like Z-1p (the inner structure anyway). Man did Pentax cheated 
> us
> all?

Did Pentax ever suggest that the MZ-S was a full metal body? I don't see the 
problem with using plastics as long as they are dimensionally stable, of the 
required strength and good mechanical design.


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Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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Re: Packing...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Mark,
When are you going to be there? I'm flying over on the 24th.
My kit:
*ist DS, 28-105, 24/2.8, 50/1.4, 85/2, 14/2.8, 100-300 plus tripod, 
flash, batteries, media, laptop, etc. It will all fit in my Lowepro 
backpack, and I'll have the Billingham L2 or similar for daily use.

Godfrey
On May 4, 2005, at 5:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
I'm starting to pack for the UK trip. Only the important stuff at this
point - the camera gear ;-)
So far:
ist-D
80-200/2.8
31/1.8 Ltd
43/1.9 Ltd
Tamron 17-35
1.7x AF TC
MX
645
45/2.8
200/4.0
Sigma DG-500 flash
Gitzo carbon fibre tripod
I might see if I can work in the 15/3.5 as well...
Oh yeah, and a couple of lenses to be delivered to various PDML'ers :)
It all fits in the LowePro backpack (except the tripod) but I'll stick 
a
Domke bag inside my suitcase.

BTW: For those wishing to join Dr. Lisa and myself at the British 
Museum
Saturday afternoon (I note that we've made it onto Cotty's official
itinerary - HAR!), here's the scoop:
http://www.mummytombs.com/mummylocator/featured/lindowman.htm

--
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Camera prices on Ebay

[Alan Chan]

--- John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nine months ago I sold my (P)Z1-P for GBP200.00 to a private buyer.  
> > Today  one went on UK Ebay with a standard zoom for GBP94.00.  Film 
> > camera prices  have dropped alarmingly over the last year.  Only the 
> > LX and the MZ-S are  now achieving more than a small fraction of 
> > their cost price.
> 
> Lens prices however seem quite high for the better primes IMHO

Particular the 50mm, not to mention those insanely expensive A*85/135 lenses in
not-so-good conditions. But talking about the MZ-S, I have been told it's 
actually a
plastic camera inside, just like other MZ/ZX bodies, with magnesium alloy shells
only. The guy who disassembled his own Z-1p & MZ-S, specifically said the metal
mount was fastened on a plastic structure (the screws are different (metal & 
plastic
structure use different threads), but I don't know what people called it). I 
have
checked its mirror box details and it is indeed look the identical my cheapo 
ZX-10
(thick plastic walls etc). No wonder it's so light. I wonder if most MZ-S 
buyers was
believing they were actually buying a metal camera, like Z-1p (the inner 
structure
anyway). Man did Pentax cheated us all?

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Cleaning slides

[John Coyle]

I have been given several dozen slides dating back to the 1960's which were 
water damaged some years ago, and have been asked to see if they can be 
cleaned up.  Many of them have emulsion damage as a result of the immersion, 
and they will never be fully recoverable, but there are quite a few where 
there is just a layer of grime to remove.

My thoughts are:
1.  Use just a proprietary slide cleaning fluid.
2.  Try a warm water rinse first to see if I can float off most of the 
debris, then use the cleaner.
3.  Just use the rinse.

Anyone have any experience with this, or can offer other suggestions, 
please?

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia 

Re: Vancouver China Town (pics)

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42779416

> 
> Thanks Frank, though I am a little surprised quite a few people like this 
> particular
> shot, not that I am complaining.  :-)

I wonder if it's because there's a juxtaposition between the
dilapidation of the building and the helter-skelter electrical wires
and the orderliness of your composition with it's strong geometrical
elements?  I think that's what does it for me.  Lots of contradictions
to keep me looking at it again and again.

cheers,
frank


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Re: Vancouver China Town (pics)

[Alan Chan]

--- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Really nice stuff in there, Alan!
> This one's my favourite:
> http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42779416
> Great work.

Thanks Frank, though I am a little surprised quite a few people like this 
particular
shot, not that I am complaining.  :-)

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Re: King of Sweden/President of Finland

[frank theriault]

On 4/30/05, Henri Toivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought I'd just contribute with a shot I'm pretty proud of. The King
> of Sweden was visiting our small town last week and I got a few decent
> shots of him.
> 
> http://www2.bicekru.org/~eatfrog/photographs/new/kungenhalonen.jpg
> 
> It's not a large town but everyone gathered to see him.
> 
> http://www2.bicekru.org/~eatfrog/photographs/new/folk.jpg
> 
> /Henri


I could tell he was The King.  He's the only one that hasn't got sh*t
all over him...

(no insult intended, just another Monty Python reference.  sorry...)

But seriously, an interesting shot, sort of a once in a lifetime
opportunity, and you grabbed it!  As Paul said, the backlighting works
well.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[John Forbes]

He was bound to.
John
On Wed, 04 May 2005 23:50:23 +0100, frank theriault  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 5/4/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I knew I could count on Knarf to weave another pun into the fabric of
this discussion.
...meanwhile, Mr. Roberts presence ~looms~ over us all...


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Packing...

[Mark Roberts]

I'm starting to pack for the UK trip. Only the important stuff at this
point - the camera gear ;-)
So far:
ist-D
80-200/2.8
31/1.8 Ltd
43/1.9 Ltd
Tamron 17-35
1.7x AF TC
MX
645
45/2.8
200/4.0
Sigma DG-500 flash
Gitzo carbon fibre tripod
I might see if I can work in the 15/3.5 as well...

Oh yeah, and a couple of lenses to be delivered to various PDML'ers :)

It all fits in the LowePro backpack (except the tripod) but I'll stick a
Domke bag inside my suitcase.

BTW: For those wishing to join Dr. Lisa and myself at the British Museum
Saturday afternoon (I note that we've made it onto Cotty's official
itinerary - HAR!), here's the scoop:
http://www.mummytombs.com/mummylocator/featured/lindowman.htm


-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: *ist-Ds Cashback from Pentax UK

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Clearing stock for a new DSLR maybe?

...or maybe they need extra shelf room for all those DigiRebels
they're moving...



cheers,
frank

-- 
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Re: *ist-Ds Cashback from Pentax UK

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Clearing stock for a new DSLR maybe?

Yeah, sure, that's it.  That's the ticket, a new DSLR...

What's that song by Supertramp?

"Dreamer"?



cheers,
frank

ps:  Just Googled that song, and I never realized what utterly stupid
lyrics it had...
-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESOs

[frank theriault]

On 4/30/05, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bored at home, so I did some scanning.  Here are some of the results for
> your delectation.  Enjoy and comment if you see fit.
> 
> I'm still having problems getting the pictures suitably sized for the
> fotocom site.
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/50/extra/new/display/3042978
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/50/extra/new/display/3042997
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/50/extra/new/display/3043008
> 

I especially like #s 2 and 3.

Great use of the fisheye in two.  The distortion blends in very nicely
with the subject matter, IMHO (which subject matter is rather
interesting, BTW).

As for #3, I really like the tilt.  Somehow, it (and the windblown
hair) seems to increase the impression that she really ~yearns~ for
her Heathcliff!  Very well executed photo!!

cheers,
frank


-- 
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Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Very funny. You're keeping me in stitches.

Like George Costanza, I've learned to leave on a high note, to leave
'em wanting for more.

Sew, I'm done with this thread.  No amount of needling will pry more
puns from this author tonight.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO - Wol

[frank theriault]

On 4/28/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ignore the first three - no Pentax gear involved - last pic with A*85mm f/1.4
> 
> 

Gorgeous portrait, beautiful girl.  

As for the others, well, she better make sure that vicious blighter
doesn't bite her nose off!

Great stuff, Cotty.

cheers,
frank


-- 
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Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank bobs and weaves with his warped sense of humour 

That one was a real dog, Shel.  Woof!

cheers,
frank

-- 
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Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On 5/4/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I knew I could count on Knarf to weave another pun into the fabric of
>> this discussion.
>
>...meanwhile, Mr. Roberts presence ~looms~ over us all...

Very funny. You're keeping me in stitches.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[Shel Belinkoff]

Frank bobs and weaves with his warped sense of humour 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: frank theriault 

> ...meanwhile, Mr. Roberts presence ~looms~ over us all...

Re: LONDON PDML - final update

[frank theriault]

On 5/3/05, Cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Never met a PDMLer I did not like,


Yeah, but there are a few that I'm glad I've never met...



cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO Pardosa Portrait Part II

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, Hans Imglueck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> one more try to convince everybody of the beauty of small many legged
> animals:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3327021
> 
> Again several shots (~4) overlaid and used LED-light clearly visible in
> some of the eyes.
> 
> Best regards,
> 

Another great shot!

cheers,
frank


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RE: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[william sawyer]

Will I see you there, Paul?

Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:24 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: OT: Gallery Show, No Pentax

I have a one-day gallery show coming up this Friday. It's part of a Gallery
Tour day in Birmingham, Michigan. My work is going to be displayed at Zoom,
a photography gallery on Old Main Street next to the Birmingham Theater. My
exhibit includes 9 photos and a  theme manuscript. Eight of the photos are
people/street shots from Europe that I took with my old screwmount Leica.
Some were originally color, but I've printed them all as BW. I took
considerable pains to make them indistinguishable. The ninth photo is the
shot of my Leica IIIf that's in this month's PUG. The theme is "Barnack
Cameras on the Streets of Europe." I wrote a short piece about the tradition
of street photography and the Leica rangefinder's role in that genre's
history. The show will be brief. It runs from 6 PM to 9 PM on Friday
evening, but it should be fun.

Re: PESO: Others 2005 - 18p - GDG

[frank theriault]

On 4/30/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Needed a different point of view so I went walking with the 14mm lens
> today.
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/18p.htm
> 

Like the lowish angle.  Great POV!  Nice composition, wonderful greyscale.  

It takes guts and skill to do plant shots in b&w (since you can't use
pretty colours as a crutch), but you've succeeded wonderfully here.

I can't imagine why one one's commented on this one before now (unless
I just didn't get those posts).

cheers,
frank


-- 
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Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[Gonz]

Yea these threads have a magical way of turning into tapestries.
Mark Roberts wrote:
frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 5/4/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, he was rather frayed. Anyway, shall we cut this particular strand?
If we don't, I'll have to string someone up!

I knew I could count on Knarf to weave another pun into the fabric of
this discussion.

Re: Vancouver China Town (pics)

[frank theriault]

On 5/1/05, Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just got my K15/3.5 back from Japan for calibration and did some test on Agfa 
> RSX II
> 50 which has really great colour. No more nasty blue cast like Fujichrome. :-)
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/china_town_vancouver
> 

Really nice stuff in there, Alan!

This one's my favourite:

http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42779416

Great work.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I knew I could count on Knarf to weave another pun into the fabric of
> this discussion.

...meanwhile, Mr. Roberts presence ~looms~ over us all...


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO and Singing Praise for an Unsung Lens

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I sorta think of myself as the "comic relief" among
> photographers! ;-)  

I'm way funnier than you, Sanderson.  It's just that I don't do it
intentionally.  

cheers,
frank




-- 
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Re: PESO and Singing Praise for an Unsung Lens

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, UncaMikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  With that in mind, here's a snap of a red-eyed tree
> frog sitting contentedly on my wife's wrist, taken last September in
> Tortugero, Costa Rica.  At the time, I had the FA J 28-80 kit lens
> (recently replaced by a FA 28-105 3.2-4.5).
> 
>  href="http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3334304";>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3334304
> 
> I look forward to any comments, either on the lens or my snap.
> 

I like it!  Might be nice if the colours "popped" a bit  (but it could
be my monitor).  Like the composition, especially the diagonal arm. 
Nice dof.

Welcome to the world of non-lurkers!



cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Camera prices on Ebay

[John Whittingham]

> Nine months ago I sold my (P)Z1-P for GBP200.00 to a private buyer.  
> Today  one went on UK Ebay with a standard zoom for GBP94.00.  Film 
> camera prices  have dropped alarmingly over the last year.  Only the 
> LX and the MZ-S are  now achieving more than a small fraction of 
> their cost price.

Lens prices however seem quite high for the better primes IMHO

John 

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On 5/4/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, he was rather frayed. Anyway, shall we cut this particular strand?
>
>If we don't, I'll have to string someone up!

I knew I could count on Knarf to weave another pun into the fabric of
this discussion.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: *ist-Ds Cashback from Pentax UK

[John Whittingham]

Clearing stock for a new DSLR maybe?

John 
-- Original Message ---
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:31:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: *ist-Ds Cashback from Pentax UK

> Subject and this URL says it all really.
> 
> http://www.pentax.co.uk/photographic/promotion/
> 
> Kostas (still not tempted; not at all)
--- End of Original Message ---

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Well, he was rather frayed. Anyway, shall we cut this particular strand?

If we don't, I'll have to string someone up!

-frank 


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a one-day gallery show coming up this Friday. It's part of a Gallery 
> Tour day in Birmingham, Michigan. My work is going to be displayed at Zoom, a 
> photography gallery on Old Main Street next to the Birmingham Theater. My 
> exhibit includes 9 photos and a  theme manuscript. Eight of the photos are 
> people/street shots from Europe that I took with my old screwmount Leica. 
> Some were originally color, but I've printed them all as BW. I took 
> considerable pains to make them indistinguishable. The ninth photo is the 
> shot of my Leica IIIf that's in this month's PUG. The theme is "Barnack 
> Cameras on the Streets of Europe." I wrote a short piece about the tradition 
> of street photography and the Leica rangefinder's role in that genre's 
> history. The show will be brief. It runs from 6 PM to 9 PM on Friday evening, 
> but it should be fun.
> 

Great stuff, Paul!

Wish I could be there...

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO PAW - Yellow Doll

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a quick grab while walking around waiting to meet a friend for lunch
> at a nearby cafe.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/yellow-doll.html
> 
> 
> Shel

Nice.  Very nice.  The innocence of childhood has been captured.  

I really like it.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

[Cotty]

On 4/5/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Tied up that night, roped into ushering you'll certainly knot be going
>to the exhibition.

Well, he was rather frayed. Anyway, shall we cut this particular strand?




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PDML IS ALIVE

[frank theriault]

On 5/4/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Waitaminnit... I thought *you* were our dictator this week, Frank?
> 
> (I can never keep track of these things...)
> 

Nope.  I was dictator two weeks ago.  Sheesh, get with the programme, Mark!

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: Moral Dilemma

[Shaun Canning]

I don't know how she does it Jostein...but it looks like my wife has even 
managed to cost you money! She's very good at it!

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
11 Lawrence Way
Karratha, Western Australia, 
6714

0414-967644
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.heritageservices.com.au

-Original Message-
From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:54 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Moral Dilemma


- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> HAR. A crack into which a crowbar will take purchase..

Now don't make me peckish...

> Drinks are on you!

Uh-oh.

Have mercy!
Imagine how much Pentax gear I would have to sell of to finance that!

Jostein