Re: PESO: Dual Flash with *istDS

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks Boris

I hope to do a bit more experimenting with the setup next weekend.


Cheers

Brian

+++

Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia


Quoting Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 I should say I really like the way the light came out here. My wife
 
 likes it too. It really works very well with dark background.
 
 Boris
 
 





Re: London PDML

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

frank theriault wrote:

On 7/18/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


A final one.

8-)

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3407/display/3555157




We have to know!  


Who's who?

-frank

ps:  great photo, BTW.

Thanks.  English wife is the one who can't sit still long enough for her 
photo to be taken.




Re: London PDML

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

Boris Liberman wrote:


Hi!


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3407/display/3555157



ROTFL!

Unfortunately, I can't show this to Vera until Sunday. Link stored!

Has the English wife acknowledged this? :-)




You don't think I'm going to _show_ it to her, do you?  8-



Jewish wife is laffing loud and clear. Her Jewish husband is rolling on 
the floor...


Mike, you really produced a hit this time!

8-)



Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

Rob Studdert wrote:


On 18 Jul 2005 at 17:35, Jon M wrote:



Say you wanted to bring an SLR and 1-3 lenses with you
on a mountain biking trip... how would you do it, and
what sort of body/lenses would you bring?

Just how tough IS pentax equipment?



A Pentax LX and a set of fast A series primes are as tough as any camera 
reasonably should be.


I would use the M series lenses.  Smaller, lighter and without 
uneccessary fripperies.  8-)





Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998







RE: PESO - Crack, Boom, Splash

2005-07-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Did you know that a lot of Alaskan glacial ice is exported to Japan to be
used in drinks.  That's supposedly because the ice is thousands of years
old, untainted by pollution and contemporary chemicals.  We had some, and
regardless of taste or lack of pollution, it's kind of neat to say that you
drank a 10,000 yo glass of water ;-)) 

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Tom C 

 Those moments at the glacier were a first in a lifetime experience and I 
 intend them not to be the last.  It was amazing, the power pent up in
those 
 rivers of ice.

 Glad the colors looked right.  I converted from RAW and did what my brain 
 told me looked right with regard to saturation.




Re: rags

2005-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Jul 18, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Tom Reese wrote:

I agree that the magazine leaves a lot to be desired. I subscribe  
because it's cheap. It's worth a buck an issue just to look at the  
ads and the occasional useful article.


They could improve it a lot if they got rid of that digital crap. G


Of course, then they probably couldn't sell it... they'd be out of  
business in a month or two. No great loss.


Godfrey



[OT] Sony and KM DSLR alians

2005-07-19 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
It seems that Pentax will soon become really, really small DSLR producer:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05071902kmsony.asp

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



Re: [OT] Sony and KM DSLR alians

2005-07-19 Thread Boris Liberman
 It seems that Pentax will soon become really, really small DSLR producer:
 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05071902kmsony.asp
 
 --
 Balance is the ultimate good...

Judging from what happened in the PDA market and how Sony behaved when
it went in... I am not too impressed. Though it probably means some
interesting development in the short term...

Still, I think it does not prevent Sony to merge with Pentax if so
they desire...

Your signature seems to apply very well here ;-).

-- 
Boris



RE: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Jon
do you really have the time to use SRL equipment fully during biking?
Maybe just a cheap Point and shoot camera with a 35-40mm lens would be good
enough.
It does not mind dirt and shake and you will get one nearly for free on
auctions.
If it fails, not a lot is lost and it fits in a pocket.
I have a Konica C35 AF which even accepts filters and a manual Olympus XA
and both take quite good photos.

Just an idea
greetings
Markus






-Original Message-
From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:37 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?


The old S1 lenses are general very well built.  If the 24-48mm is
anything like the
35-85mm you couldn't do much better.

Jon M wrote:

The old Series 1 lenses are pretty tough? I have a
24-48/3.8 - I could probably get by with just that and
maybe a telephoto lens.

--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Jon M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Say you wanted to bring an SLR and 1-3 lenses with


you


on a mountain biking trip... how would you do it,


and


what sort of body/lenses would you bring?

Just how tough IS pentax equipment?


From a couple of months ago:


Friend of my friend has accidentally left his


*istD on the roof of his


car and didn't noticed it till he drove 0.5 km. By


that time 1.5 tons


weighting car overran it... See how it looks here:


http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/26424/display/2774542


Lens is completely destroyed, but *istD survived


and is still working


having only a few scratches on its bottom :-)


I'd bring an ist-D and the FA 28/2.8 AL for one
lens. Next choice would
be the Vivitar 70-210 Series 1 or the Pentax FA
50/1.4 or A 20/2.8,
depending what kind of shooting I was planning on. I
have a Tamrac
Velocity 7 bag that I'd use for this kind of
travel.


--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com









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RE: PESOs: More Rehearsal Pix

2005-07-19 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Frank and Boris
as most of us will guess, Frank certainly hides the best shot for the August
PUG! (vbg)
So I look at these PESO just as appetizers for the feast to come.
greetings
Markus

-Original Message-
From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:46 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESOs: More Rehearsal Pix


Hi!

 Here's two more that I took of my daughter Claire's rehearsal last
 week for Anne of Green Gables (the musical).

 Dance Class:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3548881size=lg

 and, Take Five:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3548885size=lg

 Comments are always welcome.  Thanks in advance.

The first one does not do it for me. I guess the technique that you
used, Frank, albeit very fine and well executed, does not really catch
my eye here...

However, the second one is marvelous. Hard Day's Night... It really
works... One of the few cases where the main subject shows her back to
the audience, while it just works...

But then again, I can relate much more to Take Five rather than to
Dance Class myself... ;-)

Boris




Re: [OT] Sony and KM DSLR alians

2005-07-19 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Boris Liberman wrote on 19.07.05 9:54:

 Judging from what happened in the PDA market and how Sony behaved when
 it went in... I am not too impressed. Though it probably means some
 interesting development in the short term...
Yup, that was very interesting. They had the fastest growing PDA sales among
any producer and they finally dropped production of Palm OS based Clie
handhelds :-/ 
Growing DSLR sales pushed Sony to create such a alliance if they want to
stay one of the major players in digital photography. I think they didn't
choose either Canon or Nikon because these were too competitive brands on
digital market and they didn't come to any agreement. So Sony choosed not so
popular, but third largest lens mount and with some promising technologies
for future (AS, SSM).

 Still, I think it does not prevent Sony to merge with Pentax if so
 they desire...
If... So far it is official annoucement, so it is not likely that they'll
suddenly change their mind.

 Your signature seems to apply very well here ;-).
I'd like it to be so :-)

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jul 2005 at 7:17, mike wilson wrote:

 I would use the M series lenses.  Smaller, lighter and without 
 uneccessary fripperies.  8-)

The fripperies are no less than a virtual necessity for use on digital bodies 
so I'm all M'ed out these days. In any case most of my favoured lenses either 
weren't available as M series or if they were they migrated virtually 
unchanged. I expect that the migrated A series lenses also benefited from 
improved multi-coating (given my past tests).


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: PESO - Crack, Boom, Splash

2005-07-19 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Tom
I agree with others that this is a great photo taken just in time.
I enjoyed it.
greetings
Markus

-Original Message-
From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:19 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - Crack, Boom, Splash




Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/07/19 Tue AM 08:16:44 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?
 
 On 19 Jul 2005 at 7:17, mike wilson wrote:
 
  I would use the M series lenses.  Smaller, lighter and without 
  uneccessary fripperies.  8-)
 
 The fripperies are no less than a virtual necessity for use on digital bodies 
 so I'm all M'ed out these days. In any case most of my favoured lenses either 
 weren't available as M series or if they were they migrated virtually 
 unchanged. I expect that the migrated A series lenses also benefited from 
 improved multi-coating (given my past tests).

Is digital the best option for harsh conditions?

mike


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Re: [almost OT] medium format russian camera

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/07/19 Tue AM 08:43:54 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: [almost OT] medium format russian camera
 
 Hi all,I know we are supposed to talk about pentax here, but I hope 
 you'llforgive me if I talk about some east-european camera for once...
 This summer I'll go on vacation in the east. I mean the East of the 
 Europe.Namely I'll go in Budapest (my flight will land there, btw do 
 someoneknows some, economical, place to rest?) and then I'll move on in tothe 
 North.From Budapest I'll move on to Bratislava then to Brno and the places 
 around it.Then it's the turn of Praha, from which I'll move to Krakow and 
 theplaces around it.From there I'll take a night train to Gda?sk, on the 
 Baltic (?) sea,after then I'll be in Warsaw to take the filght back to home...
 If anyone has some advice for some un-missable place, please feel freeto 
 suggest it to me, as the trip plan can still be modified... ;)The trip will 
 be from the 3th of august up to the 23th (yes too fewdays, but this is what I 
 can do... :(

Far too few.  I will be in Krakow and other parts of Poland between 01/08 and 
10/08.  I'll send you my mobile number offlist so you can contact me if you 
wish.

 
 Back to topic: I've seen those russian stereo camera (the Sputnik one). It 
 seems to be an 6x6 medium format camera...It seems a metal brick, at the 
 first glance (maybe it still seems itafter the first one...;)
 My question here is:What is the name of the film it uses? I mean is the 120 
 right for it?Sorry for the noob question, but I've never even touched a MF 
 camerabefore, hence I've never investigate so much about other film otherthen 
 the 35mm...
 btw: My father has an old Durst enlarger which, I understand, is alsoable to 
 work with MF films (is it right?, well I know I may supply amodel number or 
 similiar, but it is far from me...)He used to use it with the film he exposed 
 with the small pentax MX(just to remain a little bit In topic..)
 
 Thank you all for any advice on it,And if it happens that you are a 
 collector/owner of such a camera (thestereo sputnik) please advice me on what 
 to check on it before buyone...
 
 Thanks,Danilo.
 (hope this is english, or at least understandable spaghetti-english ;)
 
 


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Re: [almost OT] medium format russian camera

2005-07-19 Thread Mishka
120 film. 
check for light leaks and film transport problems. also, replacing
internal baffling
would be helpful. unfortunately, stereo sputnik is pretty much the only game
around (besides rollei that costs a few kilo$)

best,
mishka

On 7/19/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  From: danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2005/07/19 Tue AM 08:43:54 GMT
  To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
  Subject: [almost OT] medium format russian camera
 
  Hi all,I know we are supposed to talk about pentax here, but I hope 
  you'llforgive me if I talk about some east-european camera for once...
  This summer I'll go on vacation in the east. I mean the East of the 
  Europe.Namely I'll go in Budapest (my flight will land there, btw do 
  someoneknows some, economical, place to rest?) and then I'll move on in 
  tothe North.From Budapest I'll move on to Bratislava then to Brno and the 
  places around it.Then it's the turn of Praha, from which I'll move to 
  Krakow and theplaces around it.From there I'll take a night train to 
  Gda?sk, on the Baltic (?) sea,after then I'll be in Warsaw to take the 
  filght back to home...
  If anyone has some advice for some un-missable place, please feel freeto 
  suggest it to me, as the trip plan can still be modified... ;)The trip will 
  be from the 3th of august up to the 23th (yes too fewdays, but this is what 
  I can do... :(
 
 Far too few.  I will be in Krakow and other parts of Poland between 01/08 and 
 10/08.  I'll send you my mobile number offlist so you can contact me if you 
 wish.
 
 
  Back to topic: I've seen those russian stereo camera (the Sputnik one). It 
  seems to be an 6x6 medium format camera...It seems a metal brick, at the 
  first glance (maybe it still seems itafter the first one...;)
  My question here is:What is the name of the film it uses? I mean is the 120 
  right for it?Sorry for the noob question, but I've never even touched a MF 
  camerabefore, hence I've never investigate so much about other film 
  otherthen the 35mm...
  btw: My father has an old Durst enlarger which, I understand, is alsoable 
  to work with MF films (is it right?, well I know I may supply amodel number 
  or similiar, but it is far from me...)He used to use it with the film he 
  exposed with the small pentax MX(just to remain a little bit In topic..)
 
  Thank you all for any advice on it,And if it happens that you are a 
  collector/owner of such a camera (thestereo sputnik) please advice me on 
  what to check on it before buyone...
 
  Thanks,Danilo.
  (hope this is english, or at least understandable spaghetti-english ;)
 
 
 
 
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Re: PAW: Handlebars and a Moustache

2005-07-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Excellent. I really like this one. Great tonal range. Nice composition. 
And it's entertaining. What more could one ask for?

Good work.
Paul
On Jul 19, 2005, at 12:36 AM, David Savage wrote:


LOL

You have caught a couple of genuine characters quite nicely.

Dave

On 7/19/05, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3552569size=lg

In NYC there's a great bike shop called Trackstars.  They only sell
trackbikes and track specific components.  My buddy, Tofu (ex of
Toronto, now a messenger in London) was thrilled to buy a set of steel
Keirin-approved bars for only $40US.  We went to the shop with Brooks,
a former courier who now teaches.  He's the Ontario track matched
sprint champ, and won the sprints at the Messenger Championships in
New York.

I didn't realize until I saw the neg that both of them have
handlbars on their faces LOL.

That story really doesn't have anything to do with the photograph, at
least not whether it's a good or bad one, or whether you'll enjoy it
or not.  I rather like it as a stand-alone-don't-need-a-story photo.

Your comments are welcome, of course.

cheers,
frank

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Re: Is there a new Canon FF??

2005-07-19 Thread Mishka
funny how all of a sudden, $2k has become dirt cheap. i would
say, Nikon F5-cheap or Leica cheap...

best,
mishka

On 7/19/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!
 
  It might not be so simple!
 
  What if Pentax announced a $1500 (or $2K) successor to
  the istD with 12mp on an APS-sized sensor, but
  in-camera image stabilization?
 
  Then half of the PDML would be dead from a heart attack from the shock. :)
 
 Then the other half would be enabled with dirt cheap *istD's that would
 function perfectly and still produce excellent images...
 
 Boris
 




Re: [almost OT] medium format russian camera

2005-07-19 Thread danilo
Thank you both,
Mike, I fear we will not be in the same town at the same time... but
thank you for your kind propose... If we change our trip timeline, I
surely will call you...

Mishka, 
thanks for the advices, I'll be carefull about light leaks ( as soon
as I understand what it is :) and the other problems you mentioned...

Danilo.



Re: [OT] Sony and KM DSLR alians

2005-07-19 Thread Herb Chong
i remember the prior rumor being that Sony would buy Pentax. it isn't a 
merger when Sony is a lot more than 10x the size of Pentax. it does mean, 
however, that there will be more price pressure sooner in the DSLR market. i 
figure 1-1.5 years at most before the DSLR market saturates. if by then 
Pentax isn't profitable in the digital camera business, it never will be.


Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Sony and KM DSLR alians



Judging from what happened in the PDA market and how Sony behaved when
it went in... I am not too impressed. Though it probably means some
interesting development in the short term...

Still, I think it does not prevent Sony to merge with Pentax if so
they desire...





Re: Is there a new Canon FF??

2005-07-19 Thread Herb Chong

Boris is implying that a used *istD will be selling for $500 or less.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a new Canon FF??



funny how all of a sudden, $2k has become dirt cheap. i would
say, Nikon F5-cheap or Leica cheap...





Re: Is there a new Canon FF??

2005-07-19 Thread Boris Liberman
Mishka, please re-read my statement...

I am putting it in for the reference...

  Then the other half would be enabled with dirt cheap *istD's that would
  function perfectly and still produce excellent images...

Or, it could be I misunderstood you ;-).

P.S. The Lims rule!

-- 
Boris



Re: [OT] Sony and KM DSLR alians

2005-07-19 Thread Boris Liberman
Herb,

I meant merger in a Dilber manner... Perhaps I did not emphasize it
enough... My apologies...



On 7/19/05, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i remember the prior rumor being that Sony would buy Pentax. it isn't a
 merger when Sony is a lot more than 10x the size of Pentax. it does mean,
 however, that there will be more price pressure sooner in the DSLR market. i
 figure 1-1.5 years at most before the DSLR market saturates. if by then
 Pentax isn't profitable in the digital camera business, it never will be.
 
 Herb...
 - Original Message -
 From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [OT] Sony and KM DSLR alians
 
 
  Judging from what happened in the PDA market and how Sony behaved when
  it went in... I am not too impressed. Though it probably means some
  interesting development in the short term...
 
  Still, I think it does not prevent Sony to merge with Pentax if so
  they desire...
 
 
 


-- 
Boris



Re: London PDML

2005-07-19 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] shared:
 A final one.
 
 8-)
 
 http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3407/display/3555157

Lovely!
I'm still laughing!
:-)

Ciao,

Gianco

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Re: Coke bubbles in anger over picture

2005-07-19 Thread Tom Reese

Paul Stenquist wrote:

Of course. And all the drugs that come from those places are really just 
a figment of our imagination. It's another US-led conspiracy aimed at 
discrediting all those peace-loving Marxists.


No one is denying that the drugs are coming in. I agree with many others 
who believe that they should be legalized and sold at a pharmacy. The 
gangsters would lose most of their business and the profits could pay 
for the rehab centers.


Tom Reese



Re: Re: [almost OT] medium format russian camera

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/07/19 Tue AM 10:36:02 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: [almost OT] medium format russian camera
 
 Thank you both,
 Mike, I fear we will not be in the same town at the same time... but
 thank you for your kind propose... If we change our trip timeline, I
 surely will call you...

I have to visit Warszawa at some time but don't know when, yet.  Maybe..

 
 Mishka, 
 thanks for the advices, I'll be carefull about light leaks ( as soon
 as I understand what it is :) and the other problems you mentioned...
 
 Danilo.
 
 


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Re: PESO - Crack, Boom, Splash

2005-07-19 Thread Dave Kennedy
Incredible timing. Awesome shot. 

Now I'm going to have to add Iceburgs to the must-see things in our
trip to Newfoundland this year.

Thanx for sharing. 

dk

On 7/18/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From a trip to Alaska 2 weeks ago.  This is Holgate Glacier calving in the
 Kenai Fjords National Park.  The name describes the sounds as it occurs.
 Imagine the crack of a lightning bolt with no flash.
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3552323
 
 Tom C.
 
 




Re: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera

2005-07-19 Thread Tom Reese

Pål Jensen wrote:

Tom wrote:

I finally switched to my 200mm lens (the longest autofocus lens I have) 
and that didn't do any better. The camera couldn't focus fast enough to 
handle the job. This is the first situation I've run into where my MZ-S 
couldn't handle the job.


Strange. My MZ-S has no problem focusing birds in flight with both my 200 and 600mm lenses. 
The MZ-S is definietly faster than SAFOX V, used in the 645N. According to Andy Rouse, the wildlife photographer, his Pentax 645NII gets just as many keepers as the AF on his EOS-1v.


I'm sure my technique could be improved but I'm not sure how.

My 600mm lens is the f/5.6 manual focus one.

I started by prefocusing the lens to a distance that I thought would 
give me a good shot, putting the camera in focus AFS mode then I held 
the shutter button down and tracked the birds from left to right or 
right to left hoping one would come into focus and trigger the shutter. 
It just didn't happen. The birds were flying too fast and I couldn't 
keep that center AF sensor on them long enough to trip the shutter.


I felt like one of those WWII gunners trying to hit the enemy planes 
zooming by. My Manfrotto 3421 head really helped that illusion:


http://www.adorama.com/BG3421.html?searchinfo=bogen%203421item_no=2

but may have been part of the problem.

I then tried holding the shutter button down, tracking the birds and 
focusing at the same time thinking that would improve my chances but the 
shutter never fired that way either.


That's when I went to the 200/4 AF lens. The birds only took a couple 
seconds to fly across my field of view and the lens couldn't focus fast 
enough to get the shot before the subject was gone.


I've used my SO's Canon USM lenses and, in my experience, they focus 
much faster than the Pentax system.


I've been thinking about a Canon body to lighten our load on our 
motorcycle trips anyway. If I had a Canon body then we'd only have to 
carry lenses for one system instead of two. This experience just added 
another reason to pick one up.


Tom Reese



Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 7/18/05, Jon M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The old Series 1 lenses are pretty tough? I have a
 24-48/3.8 - I could probably get by with just that and
 maybe a telephoto lens.

I have that same lens, and it's been to the shop several times for
aperture problems.  I love the lens, but it seems not that durable -
mind you, it's only like a 25 year old lens, and I do tend to bang it
around a lot.

My VS1 70-210 which I got used about 18 months ago looks like it's
been put through the spin cycle - scratches, dings and paint worn off
all over - yet it performs great.

I guess my point is that sample to sample variation, and unknown
histories of old lenses make it hard to predict how durable they'll be
at this stage in their careers.

Compounding this is the fact that the various Series 1 lenses were made
by a variety of different manufacturers. Some were apparently built
better than others.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera

2005-07-19 Thread Pål Jensen
You have to use servo AF something that rules out trap focus.
The main challenge is to keep the moving subject in the focus bracket something 
thats very difficult. A Canon won't help in this regard. 


Pål





- Original Message - 
From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera


 Pål Jensen wrote:
  Tom wrote:
  
 I finally switched to my 200mm lens (the longest autofocus lens I have) 
 and that didn't do any better. The camera couldn't focus fast enough to 
 handle the job. This is the first situation I've run into where my MZ-S 
 couldn't handle the job.
  
  Strange. My MZ-S has no problem focusing birds in flight with both my 200 
  and 600mm lenses. 
  The MZ-S is definietly faster than SAFOX V, used in the 645N. According to 
  Andy Rouse, the wildlife photographer, his Pentax 645NII gets just as many 
  keepers as the AF on his EOS-1v.
 
 I'm sure my technique could be improved but I'm not sure how.
 
 My 600mm lens is the f/5.6 manual focus one.
 
 I started by prefocusing the lens to a distance that I thought would 
 give me a good shot, putting the camera in focus AFS mode then I held 
 the shutter button down and tracked the birds from left to right or 
 right to left hoping one would come into focus and trigger the shutter. 
 It just didn't happen. The birds were flying too fast and I couldn't 
 keep that center AF sensor on them long enough to trip the shutter.
 
 I felt like one of those WWII gunners trying to hit the enemy planes 
 zooming by. My Manfrotto 3421 head really helped that illusion:
 
 http://www.adorama.com/BG3421.html?searchinfo=bogen%203421item_no=2
 
 but may have been part of the problem.
 
 I then tried holding the shutter button down, tracking the birds and 
 focusing at the same time thinking that would improve my chances but the 
 shutter never fired that way either.
 
 That's when I went to the 200/4 AF lens. The birds only took a couple 
 seconds to fly across my field of view and the lens couldn't focus fast 
 enough to get the shot before the subject was gone.
 
 I've used my SO's Canon USM lenses and, in my experience, they focus 
 much faster than the Pentax system.
 
 I've been thinking about a Canon body to lighten our load on our 
 motorcycle trips anyway. If I had a Canon body then we'd only have to 
 carry lenses for one system instead of two. This experience just added 
 another reason to pick one up.
 
 Tom Reese
 




Re: PESOs: More Rehearsal Pix

2005-07-19 Thread frank theriault
On 7/19/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 The first one does not do it for me. I guess the technique that you
 used, Frank, albeit very fine and well executed, does not really catch
 my eye here...
 
 However, the second one is marvelous. Hard Day's Night... It really
 works... One of the few cases where the main subject shows her back to
 the audience, while it just works...
 
 But then again, I can relate much more to Take Five rather than to
 Dance Class myself... ;-)
 

Thanks, Boris, and everyone else for your comments.

FWIW, I noticed that for Take Five, I told Photo.net that I used my
LX.  In fact, all three photos in that folder were taken with my MX. 
It's now been rectified, and I'm sure that no one even noticed.

cheers,
frank


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Re: Monument AM

2005-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Boris,
I didn't see the movie, but I believe I remember
trailers for a sand worm type theme.
Yes, I agree 'tis a tad snug on the left. Too lazy to
change lenses, so made a choice in favor of the sunny
side.

Jack

--- Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi!
 
  This is an attempt to depict the grand sweep and
  sweltering intensity of this place.
  Soft detail gladly allowed in this case.
  
 

http://www.photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=48
 
 Where is the Sand Worm? Show us the Worm? :-)...
 
 Mesa humbly thinking it is rather tight on the
 left...
 
 Boris
 
 





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Re: Re: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/07/19 Tue AM 11:58:35 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera
 
 Pål Jensen wrote:
  Tom wrote:
  
 I finally switched to my 200mm lens (the longest autofocus lens I have) 
 and that didn't do any better. The camera couldn't focus fast enough to 
 handle the job. This is the first situation I've run into where my MZ-S 
 couldn't handle the job.
  
  Strange. My MZ-S has no problem focusing birds in flight with both my 200 
  and 600mm lenses. 
  The MZ-S is definietly faster than SAFOX V, used in the 645N. According to 
  Andy Rouse, the wildlife photographer, his Pentax 645NII gets just as many 
  keepers as the AF on his EOS-1v.
 
 I'm sure my technique could be improved but I'm not sure how.
 
 My 600mm lens is the f/5.6 manual focus one.
 
 I started by prefocusing the lens to a distance that I thought would 
 give me a good shot, putting the camera in focus AFS mode then I held 
 the shutter button down and tracked the birds from left to right or 
 right to left hoping one would come into focus and trigger the shutter. 
 It just didn't happen. The birds were flying too fast and I couldn't 
 keep that center AF sensor on them long enough to trip the shutter.

If it's any consolation, I found a similar problem using the autofocus 600/4 at 
Duxford two (three!) years ago.  As the day unfolded, I got better at it but 
tracking is definitley an art and is something that digital capture would be 
useful in training someone for.

 
 I felt like one of those WWII gunners trying to hit the enemy planes 
 zooming by. My Manfrotto 3421 head really helped that illusion:
 
 http://www.adorama.com/BG3421.html?searchinfo=bogen%203421item_no=2
 
 but may have been part of the problem.
 
 I then tried holding the shutter button down, tracking the birds and 
 focusing at the same time thinking that would improve my chances but the 
 shutter never fired that way either.
 
 That's when I went to the 200/4 AF lens. The birds only took a couple 
 seconds to fly across my field of view and the lens couldn't focus fast 
 enough to get the shot before the subject was gone.
 
 I've used my SO's Canon USM lenses and, in my experience, they focus 
 much faster than the Pentax system.
 
 I've been thinking about a Canon body to lighten our load on our 
 motorcycle trips anyway. If I had a Canon body then we'd only have to 
 carry lenses for one system instead of two. This experience just added 
 another reason to pick one up.
 
 Tom Reese
 
 


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Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jul 2005 at 8:29, mike wilson wrote:

 Is digital the best option for harsh conditions?

What else is there?


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Re: Coke bubbles in anger over picture

2005-07-19 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Tom Reese

Subject: Re: Coke bubbles in anger over picture



No one is denying that the drugs are coming in. I agree with many others 
who believe that they should be legalized and sold at a pharmacy. The 
gangsters would lose most of their business and the profits could pay for 
the rehab centers.


I heard a thing on a CBC progam called Ideas on night about this.
The person being interviewed figured that if cocaine was made legal, the 
crack problem would disappear overnight, the street price of a days supply 
of addiction would drop to the point where a mimimum wage earner could 
afford the habit, the secondary crime problems (armed robbery, BE) related 
to coke use would pretty much go away, and the addiction rates would rise 
slightly as more people were willing to experiment and get hooked.
Also, by decriminalizing the product, one could set up legal rehabs to help 
people get off the stuff if they so desired, which right now they can't 
really do effectively.
He made a very convincing arguement for, if not legalizing, at least 
decriminalizing the stuff.


Do we have any Dutch list members who can comment on their experiment with 
decriminalizing pot use?


William Robb 





Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Rob Studdert 
Subject: Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?




On 19 Jul 2005 at 8:29, mike wilson wrote:


Is digital the best option for harsh conditions?


What else is there?


If you look hard enough, film is still available.
I realize it's getting to be scarce, but it's still out there.

William Robb



Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/07/19 Tue PM 12:39:50 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?
 
 On 19 Jul 2005 at 8:29, mike wilson wrote:
 
  Is digital the best option for harsh conditions?
 
 What else is there?

Depends on your outlook.

 
 
 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jul 2005 at 6:53, William Robb wrote:

 If you look hard enough, film is still available.
 I realize it's getting to be scarce, but it's still out there.

What, like Kodak 800 Max?

Just joshing of course, seriously though the price of film and processing is 
pretty steep in my locale. It's a shock handing over the cash for film more 
than processing but then again I generally only have my films DD processed and 
sleeved.

I don't even know if I'd use my 67 for static vistas if my digi-cam wasn't so 
damned slow (talking multi-row panos + bracketing) 


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Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Oh, c'mon Rob ... speaking as a lone voice crying in the wilderness of the
digital landscape (my apologies to Edward Abbey), I'd not consider taking a
DSLR (certainly not as the only choice) into some of the places and on some
of the journeys I've been.  But then the question was about harsh
conditions, not remote and harsh conditions.

All the paraphernalia that people seem to carry with them when shooting
digital (cards, batteries, downloading devices, sensor cleaning stuff, even
computers) would really be a hindrance when travelling close to the
ground.

In my mind a simple, strong mechanical camera that can be operated without
batteries if necessary and a few lenses that lack features is the way to
go.

BTW, I read a lens review some time ago in which five or six lenses were
compared, and one was given poor marks for not having a full range of
features.  For the longest time I couldn't figure out what features a lens
needs, or could have, beyond the ability to focus.

Shel 


 From: Rob Studdert 

 On 19 Jul 2005 at 8:29, mike wilson wrote:

  Is digital the best option for harsh conditions?

 What else is there?


 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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Heat Escape!

2005-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Must get out of this Sacramento Valley for at least, a
few days. (my wife's orders).
This is the 6th or 7th day of temps of, at least, 100F
with no relief in sight. Record is 15 days, I believe.
If you spend a typical summer in this valley, you'll
have no fear of Hell.
Taking all equipment 'calibers' and heading to the
coast.
Never gotten a Redwood image I thought much of, so
will try it again. I'll be primarily (as the
expression goes) looking for my reaction.

Later,

Jack




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Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I have a small bag that strapped on to the handlebars and sometimes carried
a camera in it.  I padded the inside of the bag and fiddled a bit with the
attachments to make it a little more secure.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Jon M 

 Another question that was posed in my original email
 was how would you transport the equipment? I'll have a
 Camelbak, so no backpacks... I *could* add a cargo
 rack to the bike, but I don't know how well that would
 hold up, and I'm not too sure I'd even want the camera
 fastened to the bike. Is there not any kind of camera
 bag made for extreme usage? I might have to engineer
 something myself. 




Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jul 2005 at 6:14, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Oh, c'mon Rob ... speaking as a lone voice crying in the wilderness of the
 digital landscape (my apologies to Edward Abbey), I'd not consider taking a 
 DSLR
 (certainly not as the only choice) into some of the places and on some of the
 journeys I've been.  But then the question was about harsh conditions, not
 remote and harsh conditions.

Remote and harsh, I guess I'd have some reservations but film isn't that harsh 
friendly either. A push bike trip I think the *ist D would suffice, the finder 
on a M camera would probably be jarred out of adjustment :-)

 All the paraphernalia that people seem to carry with them when shooting
 digital (cards, batteries, downloading devices, sensor cleaning stuff, even
 computers) would really be a hindrance when travelling close to the ground.

Sure but so would 180 rolls of film (equivalent capacity of RAW files on my 
autonomous external storage device). I suspect a pocket full of large memory 
cards would be as robust if not more so than films too. Anyone who shot film 
and didn't process on location doesn't need a PC when shooting digital and 
sensor cleaning isn't the delicate clean room drama it's often made out to be 
either.

 In my mind a simple, strong mechanical camera that can be operated without
 batteries if necessary and a few lenses that lack features is the way to
 go.

It may be know but I suspect it won't be either the easy or the preferred 
option in too short a space of time.

 BTW, I read a lens review some time ago in which five or six lenses were
 compared, and one was given poor marks for not having a full range of
 features.  For the longest time I couldn't figure out what features a lens
 needs, or could have, beyond the ability to focus.

Don't know what that's about, as long as my lenses have an aperture ring I'm 
generally happy, though I'd be happier if it actually worked on the new 
cameras!

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
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Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Lens features would perhaps be autofocus, transmission of MTF data and
other information, power zooms, image stabilization, and maybe a few other
such things (leather grip, a sound card, coffee maker adapter?)

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Rob Studdert 

  BTW, I read a lens review some time ago in which five or six lenses were
  compared, and one was given poor marks for not having a full range of
  features.  For the longest time I couldn't figure out what features a
lens
  needs, or could have, beyond the ability to focus.

 Don't know what that's about, as long as my lenses have an aperture ring
I'm 
 generally happy, though I'd be happier if it actually worked on the new 
 cameras!




Re: Philly PDML GESO

2005-07-19 Thread Scott Loveless
Thanks, Bruce.  You are most certainly correct that the photos are too
small.  My original scans were low res.  These were edited slightly
(crop, shadows, highlights, saved for the web) and then uploaded.  I
tried enlarging them to at least 600 pixels on the longest side, but
they look pretty bad.  Regardless, you can find them here:
http://twosixteen.com/gallery/index.php?list=18

I'll try to do a proper scan sometime soon.  Thanks for looking.

On 7/19/05, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Scott,
 
 There appears to be some nice shots in there.  I sure wish they were
 just a little bigger.  On my monitor, 19, it is really hard to see
 the details that I think are there.  Any way to show some bigger ones?
 
 --
 Best regards,
 Bruce
 
 


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Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The harsh conditions are the conditions of riding an on/off road  
bicycle ... that's not particularly harsh, there's nothing any more  
fragile about a DSLR that wouldn't also affect a film SLR in those  
conditions. Both would survive just fine if packed properly for the  
endeavor.


If I carry a simple mechanical film camera, I need to carry film to  
use in it. 36 shots takes up 1.5 cubic inches of storage. If I carry  
a Pentax *ist DS, I can fit 97 RAW image files on a storage card  
device the size of a postage stamp, and a single set of AA lithium  
batteries will run 1300 exposures. Carry four 1G storage cards, a  
spare set of batteries, and save images in RAW format when  
appropriate: you need nothing else, and have room for 2000 photographs.


That's much more compact than carrying film and it isn't subject to  
the kind of damage that film would be if you're mountain biking in  
hot climates.


Godfrey


On Jul 19, 2005, at 6:14 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Oh, c'mon Rob ... speaking as a lone voice crying in the wilderness  
of the
digital landscape (my apologies to Edward Abbey), I'd not consider  
taking a
DSLR (certainly not as the only choice) into some of the places and  
on some

of the journeys I've been.  But then the question was about harsh
conditions, not remote and harsh conditions.

All the paraphernalia that people seem to carry with them when  
shooting
digital (cards, batteries, downloading devices, sensor cleaning  
stuff, even

computers) would really be a hindrance when travelling close to the
ground.

In my mind a simple, strong mechanical camera that can be operated  
without
batteries if necessary and a few lenses that lack features is the  
way to

go.

BTW, I read a lens review some time ago in which five or six lenses  
were

compared, and one was given poor marks for not having a full range of
features.  For the longest time I couldn't figure out what features  
a lens

needs, or could have, beyond the ability to focus.

Shel




Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Another question that was posed in my original email
was how would you transport the equipment? I'll have a
Camelbak, so no backpacks... I *could* add a cargo
rack to the bike, but I don't know how well that would
hold up, and I'm not too sure I'd even want the camera
fastened to the bike. Is there not any kind of camera
bag made for extreme usage? I might have to engineer
something myself.


Back when I rode bicycles a lot (early 1980s, before my hip gave  
out), I used to carry a Nikon F2 with two lenses in the equivalent of  
a small Pelican box, bolted onto a custom bracket that fitted behind  
the seat. Light, dust- and water- proof. Get a box large enough to  
allow 1-1.5 of sponge padding in all directions around the equipment  
components you want to carry.


Never had a problem with any of the equipment I carried this way.  
Modern MX bicycles with suspension probably give the equipment a  
somewhat better ride than my Cinelli Criterium racer did on pavement.


Godfrey



Stage photography

2005-07-19 Thread Scott Loveless
A local rock band has asked me to photograph an indoor performance for
them.  I will have at least some access to the stage itself during the
performance.  They are mostly interested in monochrome photos to be
potentially used for album art/propaganda/advertising, but I'm
planning on bringing a second body for the occasional color shot. 
Most likely I'll employ the MX for the majority of the show, and the
*ist for color and telephoto shots.  I have a shoe mounted strobe for
each body.  Would anyone have any recommendations for film, technique,
other gear, etc.?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
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http://www.twosixteen.com

--
You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman



Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread dagt
 fra: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  On 19 Jul 2005 at 7:17, mike wilson wrote:
  
   I would use the M series lenses.  Smaller, lighter and without 
   uneccessary fripperies.  8-)
  
  The fripperies are no less than a virtual necessity for use on digital 
  bodies 
  so I'm all M'ed out these days. In any case most of my favoured lenses 
  either 
  weren't available as M series or if they were they migrated virtually 
  unchanged. I expect that the migrated A series lenses also benefited from 
  improved multi-coating (given my past tests).
 
 Is digital the best option for harsh conditions?

It's not any worse than any mordern camera with lots of electronics.  Maybe 
even better since you dont have that many moveable parts inside or places where 
the light may get in.

On the other hand, I prefer the LX under such conditions...

DagT



Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Eric Maquiling
On 07/19 06:53, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Back when I rode bicycles a lot (early 1980s, before my hip gave  
 out), I used to carry a Nikon F2 with two lenses in the equivalent of  

Sweet!  We were in the same era I guess.  I was racing as a junior with Mike
McCarthy and George Hincape back east.  I'm ex Cat3.  Started riding again 2
years ago.  Gonna get my Master40+ next year.  Tonight, I'm going to a club
race here in SoCal, dang it, I have to start as Cat5.  When the heck did they
start having a Cat5?!!  

Last camera I used on a bike was an Ansco Pix Panoramic.  Don't want the
weight.  Here's some bad scans:
http://www.maquiling.org/archives/cat_big_bear.php

I did use to carry my F2 and lenses around Manhattan when I was a photo
assistant.  Have messenger bag, will travel!

So when are you going to sell that Superwide?  That's what I want to carry on a
bike!

-- 

Eric



Re: Stage photography

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jul 2005 at 9:54, Scott Loveless wrote:

 A local rock band has asked me to photograph an indoor performance for
 them.  I will have at least some access to the stage itself during the
 performance.  They are mostly interested in monochrome photos to be
 potentially used for album art/propaganda/advertising, but I'm
 planning on bringing a second body for the occasional color shot. 
 Most likely I'll employ the MX for the majority of the show, and the
 *ist for color and telephoto shots.  I have a shoe mounted strobe for
 each body.  Would anyone have any recommendations for film, technique,
 other gear, etc.?

Do you really need to shoot BW at all? Are you going to be personally printing 
the BW or will they be sent out for print? All my stage work I now shoot using 
the *ist D with great success. Some images I post process as BW others the 
colour makes the shot and I don't have to fart about with two cameras in the 
heat of the action.


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Re: [almost OT] medium format russian camera

2005-07-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Of the places you mentioned, I've only been to Praha.  It is a wonderful 
city, with many sights to enjoy and photograph.  The food is good and 
relatively inexpensive, the beer is the best in the world, and there are 
many good music concerts in interesting venues. 
Make sure you allocate enough time for this great and enjoyable city.




Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Herb Chong
i was going to wait until tonight, but DPreview already broke the story.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05071903pentax_profitsfall.asp. if you
read the original, you will see that although Pentax sold 10% more digital
cameras, it lost more money.

with Panasonic paired up with Olympus and now Sony with Konica-Minolta,
there's no major Japanese electronics company left to partner with.

Herb...



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jul 2005 at 10:13, Herb Chong wrote:

 i was going to wait until tonight, but DPreview already broke the story.
 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05071903pentax_profitsfall.asp. if you
 read the original, you will see that although Pentax sold 10% more digital
 cameras, it lost more money.
 
 with Panasonic paired up with Olympus and now Sony with Konica-Minolta,
 there's no major Japanese electronics company left to partner with.

Bummer, lets hope that they get out that sub $4k 645D in time :-)


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Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Tom Reese

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Oh, c'mon Rob ... speaking as a lone voice crying in the wilderness of the
digital landscape (my apologies to Edward Abbey), I'd not consider taking a
DSLR (certainly not as the only choice) into some of the places and on some
of the journeys I've been.  But then the question was about harsh
conditions, not remote and harsh conditions.


I'm jumping in late but I thought I'd add my two frames worth.

My circumstances are a little different because I travel by motorcycle 
instead of bicycle but there are some similarities. My biggest concern 
is volume rather than weight but they're pretty much the same thing. My 
strategy is to take two cheap zoom lenses. I take a wide angle to normal 
zoom for scenics and a normal to telephoto zoom for wildlife.


I have taken a K-1000 because they're almost bulletproof and later my 
ZX-5N because it had the spot meter and autofocus capability.


The lenses and body go into zip lock plastic bags and they get placed 
into a small well padded camera bag that also goes into a plastic bag.


I do make room for a polarizing filter.

Tom Reese



Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/07/19 Tue PM 01:14:36 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?
 
 Oh, c'mon Rob ... speaking as a lone voice crying in the wilderness of the
 digital landscape (my apologies to Edward Abbey), I'd not consider taking a
 DSLR (certainly not as the only choice) into some of the places and on some
 of the journeys I've been.  But then the question was about harsh
 conditions, not remote and harsh conditions.
 
 All the paraphernalia that people seem to carry with them when shooting
 digital (cards, batteries, downloading devices, sensor cleaning stuff, even
 computers) would really be a hindrance when travelling close to the
 ground.
 
 In my mind a simple, strong mechanical camera that can be operated without
 batteries if necessary and a few lenses that lack features is the way to
 go.
 
 BTW, I read a lens review some time ago in which five or six lenses were
 compared, and one was given poor marks for not having a full range of
 features.  For the longest time I couldn't figure out what features a lens
 needs, or could have, beyond the ability to focus.
 
 Shel 

aperture ring?
8-)

 
 
  From: Rob Studdert 
 
  On 19 Jul 2005 at 8:29, mike wilson wrote:
 
   Is digital the best option for harsh conditions?
 
  What else is there?
 
 
  Rob Studdert
  HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
  Tel +61-2-9554-4110
  UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
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Re: Stage photography

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/07/19 Tue PM 01:54:46 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Stage photography
 
 A local rock band has asked me to photograph an indoor performance for
 them.  I will have at least some access to the stage itself during the
 performance.  They are mostly interested in monochrome photos to be
 potentially used for album art/propaganda/advertising, but I'm
 planning on bringing a second body for the occasional color shot. 
 Most likely I'll employ the MX for the majority of the show, and the
 *ist for color and telephoto shots.  I have a shoe mounted strobe for
 each body.  Would anyone have any recommendations for film, technique,
 other gear, etc.?

Depends on the precise conditions (might be worth going to a previous event to 
get an idea) but Ilford delta 3200, fast lenses and no flash seem to be the 
preferred parameters.

mike


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Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Herb Chong wrote on 19.07.05 17:13:

 with Panasonic paired up with Olympus and now Sony with Konica-Minolta,
 there's no major Japanese electronics company left to partner with.
H... there is still big Fuji with their own CCD technology.

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jul 19, 2005, at 6:56 AM, Eric Maquiling wrote:


On 07/19 06:53, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Back when I rode bicycles a lot (early 1980s, before my hip gave
out), I used to carry a Nikon F2 with two lenses in the equivalent of


Sweet!  We were in the same era I guess.  I was racing as a junior  
with Mike
McCarthy and George Hincape back east.  I'm ex Cat3.  Started  
riding again 2
years ago.  Gonna get my Master40+ next year.  Tonight, I'm going  
to a club
race here in SoCal, dang it, I have to start as Cat5.  When the  
heck did they

start having a Cat5?!!


LOL .. I was never a bicycle racer, but I used a bike as my primary  
vehicle for a couple of years while I lived in Santa Cruz, CA. I got  
into bicycling to get my legs into shape for fencing while I was  
going to the university there; no money inspired my need for cheap  
transportation. A bicycle and a motorcycle were it for some time.



http://www.maquiling.org/archives/cat_big_bear.php


Some neat photos! Thanks for posting them.

So when are you going to sell that Superwide?  That's what I want  
to carry on a

bike!


Um, sorry: sold that some time ago. I think I used some of the money  
to finance the Pentax *ist DS purchase last December.


Godfrey



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Boris Liberman
Let's hope we get to live until the end of the next fiscal year.
Hopefully then the news will be somewhat better...

*big bummer*

-- 
Boris



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Jostein


- Original Message - 
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

H... there is still big Fuji with their own CCD technology.


Fuji already produce dSLRs for the Nikon mount.

Jostein



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Jostein wrote on 19.07.05 16:47:

 Fuji already produce dSLRs for the Nikon mount.
Yes, but there is no alliance between Fuji and Nikon. Just Fuji uses their
camera body (F80) just like Kodak did for their DCS-14/n.

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jul 19, 2005, at 7:42 AM, Tom Reese wrote:

My circumstances are a little different because I travel by  
motorcycle instead of bicycle but there are some similarities. My  
biggest concern is volume rather than weight but they're pretty  
much the same thing. My strategy is to take two cheap zoom lenses.  
I take a wide angle to normal zoom for scenics and a normal to  
telephoto zoom for wildlife.


I have taken a K-1000 because they're almost bulletproof and later  
my ZX-5N because it had the spot meter and autofocus capability.


The lenses and body go into zip lock plastic bags and they get  
placed into a small well padded camera bag that also goes into a  
plastic bag.


I do make room for a polarizing filter.


On motorcycle trips, my standard kit was a Nikon FM or FE2 body +  
20/50/85 primes, 70-300mm zoom, or a Leica M + 24/35/75 primes. Each  
component wrapped in a Domke wrap, carried in a Domke F5 Hip and  
Shoulder bag, which was then carried on the bike in a waterproof,  
padded tailbag fitted to the passenger section of the seat (I don't  
normally carry a passenger). The F5 has enough room for the camera  
bits, a few rolls of film and other small miscellany; film stock was  
packed separately.


I'm not riding much at all anymore (matter of fact, I decided to sell  
the bikes now as I'm just completely unmotivated to deal with them at  
present), but were I to go on a trip, I'd carry the *ist DS plus 14,  
20-35 and possibly one other lens (either a fast, longer prime or the  
28-105) the same way.


Godfrey



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Boris Liberman
Wait a moment. Pentax is still profitable, right? It is just that its
profit decreased???

 Fuji already produce dSLRs for the Nikon mount.

Right :-(.

-- 
Boris



Re: Major Enablement :-)

2005-07-19 Thread Jostein

Don't worry, Boris. I have plenty to retaliate with already.
But I'll save it for later... snigger

Jostein


- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Major Enablement :-)



Hi!

I heard it was a rocky shore until you got them between your toes. 
Mighty, indeed. 8-)))


Mike, you realize that when you come here and post some pictures, 
Jostein might as well retaliate?


;-)

Boris





Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Herb Chong
Wait a moment. Pentax is still profitable, right? It is just that its
profit decreased???

Pentax as a company made money last year. the imaging products division,
which includes digital cameras, lost more money so far this year than it
did the year before.

if you read other reports around this announcement, you will see that
Pentax forecasts the imaging products division to remain about the same net
sales out through 2010. also, in the long version of the news article, you
will see that Pentax is now planning to reduce by 300 employees total over
2 years and transfer 100 people from the imaging products division to the
optical components and health products divisions while at the same time
increasing new model introductions from 2/yr to 3/yr. you ought to be
asking yourself at this time what's wrong with this picture?.

Herb



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Herb Chong
Wait a moment. Pentax is still profitable, right? It is just that its
profit decreased???

Pentax as a company made money last year. the imaging products division,
which includes digital cameras, lost more money so far this year than it
did the year before.

to be a little more clear, Pentax's profits dropped 42% to the point where
it lost a little money this past quarter. they figure they are still going
to make money by the end of the current fiscal year.

Herb...



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Boris Liberman
Herb,

I am not asking what's wrong. I'd rather be guessing that Pentax may
be making another mistake...

Darn, I just invested serious money in lenses again...

-- 
Boris



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
So, what has that got to do with Pentax making or losing money?  The
quality and usefulness of the lenses won't change along with the company's
fortunes.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Boris Liberman

 I am not asking what's wrong. I'd rather be guessing that Pentax may
 be making another mistake...

 Darn, I just invested serious money in lenses again...

 -- 
 Boris




Re: Major Enablement :-)

2005-07-19 Thread mike wilson

Jostein wrote:

Don't worry, Boris. I have plenty to retaliate with already.
But I'll save it for later... snigger

Jostein


=8-O




- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Major Enablement :-)



Hi!

I heard it was a rocky shore until you got them between your toes. 
Mighty, indeed. 8-)))



Mike, you realize that when you come here and post some pictures, 
Jostein might as well retaliate?


;-)

Boris









Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Scott Loveless
Oh, no, Shel.  You've got it all wrong.  Once the nabobs of negativism
have proclaimed something dead, it immediately loses all value and
functionality.  In an effort to spare yourself any future agony you
must go now to trade in all your Pentax gear for Nikon or Canon,
because those two brands will be around until the end of time itself. 
Jump ship, Shel.  The water's fine.  g

On 7/19/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, what has that got to do with Pentax making or losing money?  The
 quality and usefulness of the lenses won't change along with the company's
 fortunes.
 
 Shel
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Boris Liberman
 
  I am not asking what's wrong. I'd rather be guessing that Pentax may
  be making another mistake...
 
  Darn, I just invested serious money in lenses again...
 
  --
  Boris
 
 
 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman



Re: Heat Escape!

2005-07-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Jack,

Have a good trip.  I can relate to the heat thing as I am in the
middle of it too.  I look forward to seeing what you get in the
redwoods.  One of my favorite places to go.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, July 19, 2005, 6:14:26 AM, you wrote:

JD Must get out of this Sacramento Valley for at least, a
JD few days. (my wife's orders).
JD This is the 6th or 7th day of temps of, at least, 100F
JD with no relief in sight. Record is 15 days, I believe.
JD If you spend a typical summer in this valley, you'll
JD have no fear of Hell.
JD Taking all equipment 'calibers' and heading to the
JD coast.
JD Never gotten a Redwood image I thought much of, so
JD will try it again. I'll be primarily (as the
JD expression goes) looking for my reaction.

JD Later,

JD Jack



JD 
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JD http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
 





Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
So what else is new ?

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Scott Loveless 

 Oh, no, Shel.  You've got it all wrong. 




Re: Coke bubbles in anger over picture

2005-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
They should be sold at the equivalent of a liquor store.  Pharmacies 
have a different purpose altogether.


Tom Reese wrote:


Paul Stenquist wrote:

Of course. And all the drugs that come from those places are really 
just a figment of our imagination. It's another US-led conspiracy 
aimed at discrediting all those peace-loving Marxists.



No one is denying that the drugs are coming in. I agree with many 
others who believe that they should be legalized and sold at a 
pharmacy. The gangsters would lose most of their business and the 
profits could pay for the rehab centers.


Tom Reese





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	Run in circles, (scream and shout).




Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/7/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

I would use the M series lenses.  Smaller, lighter and without 
uneccessary fripperies.  8-)

I had some unnecessary fripperies once, but they were only small so I
chucked them back in.

Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Cotty
I go out on my bike with a bumbag containing a 1D and EF 20mm 1.8 and
never had a problem.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Boy, for a minute there I thought I was reading DPReview forums
grin.  I'm with Shel here - your current equipment still works just
as it did yesterday before the news - just move forward.  Things
will continue to change over time.  At the point in time when you need
to make major decisions, look ahead and make your best decision.  But
for the time being don't sweat it.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, July 19, 2005, 8:30:30 AM, you wrote:

SL Oh, no, Shel.  You've got it all wrong.  Once the nabobs of negativism
SL have proclaimed something dead, it immediately loses all value and
SL functionality.  In an effort to spare yourself any future agony you
SL must go now to trade in all your Pentax gear for Nikon or Canon,
SL because those two brands will be around until the end of time itself.
SL Jump ship, Shel.  The water's fine.  g

SL On 7/19/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, what has that got to do with Pentax making or losing money? The
 quality and usefulness of the lenses won't change along with the company's
 fortunes.
 
 Shel
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Boris Liberman
 
  I am not asking what's wrong. I'd rather be guessing that Pentax may
  be making another mistake...
 
  Darn, I just invested serious money in lenses again...
 
  --
  Boris
 
 
 





Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
They are going to a.) Stop producing so many PS cameras, which they are 
losing money on, and b.) Produce
more lens components in the optical components division and sell them, 
(internally), to the imaging products division. 
This may be being done to make the imaging products division look more 
profitable or less profitable.  That last is

your choice. I'm not making any guesses.




Herb Chong wrote:


Wait a moment. Pentax is still profitable, right? It is just that its
profit decreased???
   



Pentax as a company made money last year. the imaging products division,
which includes digital cameras, lost more money so far this year than it
did the year before.

if you read other reports around this announcement, you will see that
Pentax forecasts the imaging products division to remain about the same net
sales out through 2010. also, in the long version of the news article, you
will see that Pentax is now planning to reduce by 300 employees total over
2 years and transfer 100 people from the imaging products division to the
optical components and health products divisions while at the same time
increasing new model introductions from 2/yr to 3/yr. you ought to be
asking yourself at this time what's wrong with this picture?.

Herb


 




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	Run in circles, (scream and shout).




Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread DagT

På 19. jul. 2005 kl. 16.37 skrev Sylwester Pietrzyk:


Herb Chong wrote on 19.07.05 17:13:

with Panasonic paired up with Olympus and now Sony with 
Konica-Minolta,

there's no major Japanese electronics company left to partner with.

H... there is still big Fuji with their own CCD technology.


Why Japanese, why not develop their cooperation with Kodak further.

DagT
http://dag.foto.no




Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Andre Langevin

Say you wanted to bring an SLR and 1-3 lenses with you
on a mountain biking trip... how would you do it, and
what sort of body/lenses would you bring?

-Jon Myers.


I'd go for an MX body (or KX) with M-lenses (small, light but 
all-metal) in a small padded fanny bag.


1 lens: 40/2.8 or 35/2.8
2 lenses: 28 and 50
3 lenses: : 28/3.5, 50/1.7 and either 85/2 or 100/2.8
Plus a close-up filter for occasional macro

Andre



Re: [OT] Sony and KM DSLR alians

2005-07-19 Thread Graywolf

Actually, this seems to be the culmination of those Sony to take over Pentax 
rumors. What it turned out to be is that Sony was looking for a DSLR 
manufacture to produce a DSLR for Sony to sell, not to take over a company. So 
it looks like they made their deal with K-M.

Shakespeare wrote about this in the 1600's, Much Ado About Nothing.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---


Boris Liberman wrote:

It seems that Pentax will soon become really, really small DSLR producer:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05071902kmsony.asp

--
Balance is the ultimate good...



Judging from what happened in the PDA market and how Sony behaved when
it went in... I am not too impressed. Though it probably means some
interesting development in the short term...

Still, I think it does not prevent Sony to merge with Pentax if so
they desire...

Your signature seems to apply very well here ;-).




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Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling

That's what I was thinking.

DagT wrote:


På 19. jul. 2005 kl. 16.37 skrev Sylwester Pietrzyk:


Herb Chong wrote on 19.07.05 17:13:


with Panasonic paired up with Olympus and now Sony with Konica-Minolta,
there's no major Japanese electronics company left to partner with.


H... there is still big Fuji with their own CCD technology.


Why Japanese, why not develop their cooperation with Kodak further.

DagT
http://dag.foto.no






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	Run in circles, (scream and shout).




Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Jon M
I've seen the Pelican boxes online, and they sure look
nice... Lowepro even makes an insert for some of them.


The bike in question is indeed full suspension, but
that doesn't mean a smooth ride. Imagine riding down a
stairway... yeah, I do that.

Do y'all think a hardcase with one of those Lowepro
inserts would provide sufficient cushioning for
negotiating rock gardens (almost as rough as
stairways)? If so, I could probably get a
seatpost-mounted rack that goes over the rear wheel to
fasten it to. 

Here's the bike in question if anyone cares:
http://jon.beigetower.org/bike/khs%20006.jpg
Now has clipless pedals and is about to receive a
driveline update. 


--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Back when I rode bicycles a lot (early 1980s, before
 my hip gave  
 out), I used to carry a Nikon F2 with two lenses in
 the equivalent of  
 a small Pelican box, bolted onto a custom bracket
 that fitted behind  
 the seat. Light, dust- and water- proof. Get a box
 large enough to  
 allow 1-1.5 of sponge padding in all directions
 around the equipment  
 components you want to carry.
 
 Never had a problem with any of the equipment I
 carried this way.  
 Modern MX bicycles with suspension probably give the
 equipment a  
 somewhat better ride than my Cinelli Criterium racer
 did on pavement.
 
 Godfrey
 
 





Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
 



Re: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera

2005-07-19 Thread Scott Loveless
Truth and humor.  Amen.

On 7/16/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No , Boris - now I'm over reacting.  Buzz off!
 
 I'm sick and tired of people telling me that I should be using new
 technology.  That I can learn to love it. That I should embrace it.  That
 I'll get used to it.  That it will help my photography. I don't want to
 learn to love it.  The technology doesn't do anything for me.  I like old
 cameras.  I don't like fancy whiz-bang features, modes, and programs.  I
 don't use flash.  I don't give a rat's ass about frame rates or Hyper this
 and Programmable that, as nice as those features may be (BTW, the Rollei
 TLR had a Hyper Mode back in the sixties LOL). Leave me the f*** alone
 wrt to the stuff YOU like. When I decide I want something newer, I'll get
 it and use it. I will get a DSLR at some point, but perhaps not for the
 reasons others here have.
 
 Y'know, I asked three simple questions about how a specific camera worked,
 and by the time the day was done there were half a dozen people telling me
 what I should do, and that the camera I asked about was wrong or right for
 me.  That I'd love or hate it.
 
 I'm borrowing the camera for a specific feature for a solution to a
 specific situation because my digi is under the weather with a wobbly
 tripod mount.  If a friend on the list didn't offer the loan of her 5n I'd
 be using the LX for the project.  I don't want an autofocus camera.  Can
 you understand that?  I don't want a plastic camera.  I like the heavy
 metal cameras and the old lenses that I use.  When it came time to buy a
 second Leica I bought an old one for about the same price as a new one.
 BECAUSE I LIKE IT.  The latest lens I bought for the Leica is seventy years
 old.
 
 Neither you nor anyone will convince me to buy or use something that does
 not give me pleasure and the kind of photographic experience I want until I
 decide I'm ready for it.  Don't you think that, after all these years, and
 all the money I've spent on gear  that if I wanted something other than
 what I have, I would have already purchased it.  So, for the last time -
 F*CK technologically advanced cameras.  I don't need them for the kind of
 photography I do.  I'm not a macro shooter, I don't make close-ups of
 flowers and rocks, when shooting landscapes or scenics I don't need auto
 anything, just a sturdy tripod, good light, and some film. And just to put
 things in perspective, I also recently purchased a well-regarded auto focus
 lens, because it's suitable to me needs and works great when used manually.
 
 If you, and others, like your Captain Whiz-Bang cameras that's fine.  They
 fill a need for you.  They don't for me.  I like old things.  I like my
 30+ year old, all metal, wood, and leather, comfortable-for-my-fat-ass
 Mercedes and my even older, 100% original Cadillac convertible with real
 leather interior an tail fins.  I like my denim shirts faded and frayed at
 the collar. Most of the furniture in my house is antique.  My coffee mug is
 almost 40 years old - I don't want a new one, and heaven help the house
 keeper should she break it.  I've worn the same belt buckle almost every
 day since 1968.  I love it.  I don't care for change.  I like the way old
 things look and feel. I like how they make me feel.  In a word,
 comfortable.
 
 And now I'm gonna watch a 1940's movie on my 20+ year old non-cable ready
 TV set, and enjoy some non-microwave pocorn.
 
 Shel
 
 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

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Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Tom Reese

DagT wrote:

På 19. jul. 2005 kl. 16.37 skrev Sylwester Pietrzyk:


Herb Chong wrote on 19.07.05 17:13:


with Panasonic paired up with Olympus and now Sony with Konica-Minolta,
there's no major Japanese electronics company left to partner with.


H... there is still big Fuji with their own CCD technology.


Why Japanese, why not develop their cooperation with Kodak further.


I suspect that the collapse of the Japanese real estate bubble has hurt 
Pentax quite a bit. Someone a while back said that most of Pentax's 
market is Japan itself. The Japanese economy is struggling because their 
real estate bubble burst leaving a lot of people with a crushing debt 
burden. They are trying to pay off their debts and that doesn't leave 
much for camera purchases.


The information regarding the Japanese economy came from some news show 
I watched but it is widely reported on the net if you care to look further.


Tom Reese



RE: PESO - Crack, Boom, Splash

2005-07-19 Thread Tom C
On the cruise they fished a chunk of ice out of the water and used it for 
drinks.  We had Margaritas made with glacial ice.


Tom C.




From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: PESO - Crack, Boom, Splash
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:45:31 -0700

Did you know that a lot of Alaskan glacial ice is exported to Japan to be
used in drinks.  That's supposedly because the ice is thousands of years
old, untainted by pollution and contemporary chemicals.  We had some, and
regardless of taste or lack of pollution, it's kind of neat to say that you
drank a 10,000 yo glass of water ;-))

Shel


 [Original Message]
 From: Tom C 

 Those moments at the glacier were a first in a lifetime experience and I
 intend them not to be the last.  It was amazing, the power pent up in
those
 rivers of ice.

 Glad the colors looked right.  I converted from RAW and did what my 
brain

 told me looked right with regard to saturation.







Re: PESO - Crack, Boom, Splash

2005-07-19 Thread Tom C
Thanks Dave.   When I heard the crack of the ice I just started firing.  I 
was pleased that I had caught a big chunk in freefall and not just the 
splash into the water.


Tom C.




From: Dave Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - Crack, Boom, Splash
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:01:58 -0400

Incredible timing. Awesome shot.

Now I'm going to have to add Iceburgs to the must-see things in our
trip to Newfoundland this year.

Thanx for sharing.

dk

On 7/18/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From a trip to Alaska 2 weeks ago.  This is Holgate Glacier calving in 
the

 Kenai Fjords National Park.  The name describes the sounds as it occurs.
 Imagine the crack of a lightning bolt with no flash.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3552323

 Tom C.









Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Graywolf

And what do lost of profits from D-PS sales which is happening to everyone 
have to do with DSLR's that folks here on the list are interested in. In fact 
according to the link you posted the result will be rather favorable to the 
enthusists here as they say they will be developing and selling more DSLR versions.

You ought to change your list name to Chicken Little, but I guess we do need 
a resident anti-Pentax troll like you just in case something real happens somewhere 
sometime.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---


Herb Chong wrote:

i was going to wait until tonight, but DPreview already broke the story.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05071903pentax_profitsfall.asp. if you
read the original, you will see that although Pentax sold 10% more digital
cameras, it lost more money.

with Panasonic paired up with Olympus and now Sony with Konica-Minolta,
there's no major Japanese electronics company left to partner with.

Herb...





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Re: MZ-5n is Here (was: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera)

2005-07-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I picked up the Mz-5n on Saturday, when I had a chance to run a roll of
film through it.  Cute little camera, handles pretty well, and it may be a
fun thing to play with.  However, here's the question: I got it in order to
use the auto bracketing feature.  Does anyone know how to set that feature
and make it active?

Thanks,

Shel




Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!


Wow, someone figured that out?
The sky is falling, Boris, we better sell all our Pentax gear and buy 
cannons. I figure my MX''s will soon be obsolete because of all this. GRIN!


No, the sky went falling when my wife agreed I'd buy two Limiteds :-)...

In fact, I've read the article, the news item, the responses here, and 
responses on DPReview forums.


Now I am thoroughly confused. That's because I do *know* that when such 
reports come out, the stuff written *between* the lines is what really 
*matters*...


But I think I told you and others that my eyes are rather weak...

Darn it, well, if I win a lottery perhaps I'll tour the Pentax Land, 
because without proper intonation, I am misunderstood, again ;-).


Now, anyone willing to sell me a 31 Limited real cheap? I need to 
complete my collection...


wink wink

Boris



Re: MZ-5n is Here (was: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera)

2005-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
You set the bracketing mode using the drive switch.  On the side of the 
camera where the rewind nob would be is the drive switch.  It's the 
lower dial.  You can set bracketing to 1/2 or 1, (half or full stops but 
you probably figured that out).


Shel Belinkoff wrote:


I picked up the Mz-5n on Saturday, when I had a chance to run a roll of
film through it.  Cute little camera, handles pretty well, and it may be a
fun thing to play with.  However, here's the question: I got it in order to
use the auto bracketing feature.  Does anyone know how to set that feature
and make it active?

Thanks,

Shel



 




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Re: MZ-5n is Here (was: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera)

2005-07-19 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Just move the switch in the left dial (the exposure
compensation one) to the 1 or 1/2 position.
It is the same switch than the auto-shutter and
continuous shooting mode.

Once the switch is there, when you shoot, the camera
will fire three times with the indicated bracket.

Just this, no menus, but also no viewfinder indication
IIRC (I am not at home and I rarely use it, although I
previously though I was going to use it a lot). It is
the MZ-5/5n/3 'philosophy'.

Hope this helps,
Jaume

 --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
escribió:

 I picked up the Mz-5n on Saturday, when I had a
 chance to run a roll of
 film through it.  Cute little camera, handles pretty
 well, and it may be a
 fun thing to play with.  However, here's the
 question: I got it in order to
 use the auto bracketing feature.  Does anyone know
 how to set that feature
 and make it active?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Shel
 
 
 




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Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jul 19, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Jon M wrote:


I've seen the Pelican boxes online, and they sure look
nice... Lowepro even makes an insert for some of them.

The bike in question is indeed full suspension, but
that doesn't mean a smooth ride. Imagine riding down a
stairway... yeah, I do that.

Do y'all think a hardcase with one of those Lowepro
inserts would provide sufficient cushioning for
negotiating rock gardens (almost as rough as
stairways)? If so, I could probably get a
seatpost-mounted rack that goes over the rear wheel to
fasten it to.


You might need a bit more and slightly softer padding than I would  
use for even rough/dirt street riding to protect the mirror mechanism  
and shutter of any SLR from that kind of pounding.


Film or digital is inconsequential in this regard, really: these  
components are delicate in any SLR (same goes for the optical/ 
mechanical coupling in an RF camera too). Older cameras with a moving  
needle meter movement might have problems, any camera with solid  
state metering electronics should fare about the same. A lighter  
camera will probably do better ... less mass to cushion.


I don't know how much shock-absorbtion the Lowepro inserts provide,  
but their cases are pretty convenient. I used to use the close-cell  
foam inserts that you picked out cubes to form fit the pieces ...  
only carried a couple of pieces at a time so I normally just took  
them out of the box to take pictures without need for a separate  
carrying bag, but I used to use the handlebar bag as a temporary  
shoulder bag for when I wanted to go for a walk away from the bike.


I've never done much off-road dirt riding, either bicycle or  
motorcycle, but basically the same ideas hold for street and dirt  
road riding: try to isolate the equipment from impact loads, use foam  
padding to help decrease and soften the jarring as well as minimize  
high frequency vibration. I've carried so many cameras on so many  
trips, just keeping these things in mind, and have never had a problem.


Godfrey



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

The sky is falling, Boris ...


What, again? I just fixed that.

Godfrey



Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-19 Thread Graywolf
No, no, Tom, you have to look at these things in isolation (GRIN). 


The state of the external economy has nothing to do with it. Pentax is doomed, 
doomed, I say. Pentax will go belly up and all our Pentax equipment will 
dissolve into puddles of goo. Our relentless resident APT has been predicting 
this for years now.

BTW, it has been reported here by myself, Pal, and others for insider rumors 
that Pentax is acquiring their own FAB capability. Think what that kind of 
purchase will do to short term profits. Think of what that means to Pentax's 
view of their our future. Another thing to think about is that their imaging 
division produces a lot of stuff other than cameras much of it never seen nor 
heard of here in the US.

graywolf
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Tom Reese wrote:

DagT wrote:


På 19. jul. 2005 kl. 16.37 skrev Sylwester Pietrzyk:


Herb Chong wrote on 19.07.05 17:13:


with Panasonic paired up with Olympus and now Sony with Konica-Minolta,
there's no major Japanese electronics company left to partner with.



H... there is still big Fuji with their own CCD technology.


Why Japanese, why not develop their cooperation with Kodak further.



I suspect that the collapse of the Japanese real estate bubble has hurt 
Pentax quite a bit. Someone a while back said that most of Pentax's 
market is Japan itself. The Japanese economy is struggling because their 
real estate bubble burst leaving a lot of people with a crushing debt 
burden. They are trying to pay off their debts and that doesn't leave 
much for camera purchases.


The information regarding the Japanese economy came from some news show 
I watched but it is widely reported on the net if you care to look further.


Tom Reese





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Re: MZ-5n is Here (was: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera)

2005-07-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
OK, so then what?  I push the shutter release and I only get one exposure. 
I tried holding the shutter release down, figuring the film would auto
advance and make the bracketed exposures, but that didn't change anything. 
So, once again, how do I get the auto bracket feature to work.  Could the
camera be broken?  The continuous shooting thing works.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Jaume Lahuerta 

 Just move the switch in the left dial (the exposure
 compensation one) to the 1 or 1/2 position.
 It is the same switch than the auto-shutter and
 continuous shooting mode.

 Once the switch is there, when you shoot, the camera
 will fire three times with the indicated bracket.




Re: Best equipment for harsh conditions?

2005-07-19 Thread Bob Blakely
Pentax Equipment is reasonably tough, but no camera or lens is made to hit 
rock at high velocity. I'd take one of the smallest cameras I have, either 
an LX, MX or ME Super - probably the LA as I have five of them and they are 
the most weather proof camera there is outside of underwater gear. As to 
lenses, this depends on you. I'd take my A50/2.8 Macro and my A35-105/3.5. I 
have a Pelican case that will hold one small 35mm camera with normal size 
lens and my A35-105/3.5. I think it's a 1200. I'd lash/bungee the case to 
a sturdy carrier on the bike and put one of those small carabineers where 
the padlock lock goes to insure there's no way the case will open to spill 
the contents even if I take a bad spill. That's just me, your style and risk 
assessment may be different.


Pelican cases are wonderful. Even the airlines can't mar your equipment when 
they're inside these ultra sturdy cases.


Regards,
Bob...
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as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers
with the smallest possible amount of hissing.
- Jean-Baptiste Colbert,
  minister of finance to French King Louis XIV

From: Jon M [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Say you wanted to bring an SLR and 1-3 lenses with you
on a mountain biking trip... how would you do it, and
what sort of body/lenses would you bring?

Just how tough IS pentax equipment?





Terminology (PhotoShop) Question.

2005-07-19 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

Say I have two layered image - the original layer, and the high pass 
unsharp mask that I am about to apply...


What is the difference between Flatten Image and Merge Visible 
options in Layer menu of my Elements 3?


Thanks in advance.

Boris



Re: MZ-5n is Here (was: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera)

2005-07-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Never mind.  I figured it out.  The camera was in manual mode.  Changing it
to A allowed the auto bracketing.  Thanks!

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Shel Belinkoff 

 OK, so then what?  I push the shutter release and I only get one
exposure. 
 I tried holding the shutter release down, figuring the film would auto
 advance and make the bracketed exposures, but that didn't change
anything. 
 So, once again, how do I get the auto bracket feature to work.  Could the
 camera be broken?  The continuous shooting thing works.

 Shel 


  [Original Message]
  From: Jaume Lahuerta 
 
  Just move the switch in the left dial (the exposure
  compensation one) to the 1 or 1/2 position.
  It is the same switch than the auto-shutter and
  continuous shooting mode.
 
  Once the switch is there, when you shoot, the camera
  will fire three times with the indicated bracket.





Re: MZ-5n is Here (was: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera)

2005-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Try making three exposures ... on one of my film cameras that had the  
autobracket feature, I could set an option for whether I wanted it to  
auto-fire all three or whether I wanted each one to fire only when I  
pressed the shutter release.


Don't know the MZ-5n specifically. How about hunting up an  
instruction manual?


Godfrey

On Jul 19, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

OK, so then what?  I push the shutter release and I only get one  
exposure.

I tried holding the shutter release down, figuring the film would auto
advance and make the bracketed exposures, but that didn't change  
anything.
So, once again, how do I get the auto bracket feature to work.   
Could the

camera be broken?  The continuous shooting thing works.

Shel




[Original Message]
From: Jaume Lahuerta

Just move the switch in the left dial (the exposure
compensation one) to the 1 or 1/2 position.
It is the same switch than the auto-shutter and
continuous shooting mode.

Once the switch is there, when you shoot, the camera
will fire three times with the indicated bracket.









Re: MZ-5n is Here (was: I'm Getting an Auto Focus Camera)

2005-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Shel, I just tried it out on mine.  You have to keep the shutter button 
depressed, otherwise the camera won't

take the subsequent exposures.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

OK, so then what?  I push the shutter release and I only get one exposure. 
I tried holding the shutter release down, figuring the film would auto
advance and make the bracketed exposures, but that didn't change anything. 
So, once again, how do I get the auto bracket feature to work.  Could the

camera be broken?  The continuous shooting thing works.

Shel 



 


[Original Message]
From: Jaume Lahuerta 


Just move the switch in the left dial (the exposure
compensation one) to the 1 or 1/2 position.
It is the same switch than the auto-shutter and
continuous shooting mode.

Once the switch is there, when you shoot, the camera
will fire three times with the indicated bracket.
   





 




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