Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too

[John Francis]

There's nothing wrong with cropping, per se - most of the shots
I've submitted to PUGs or PESOs have been cropped somewhat.  But
this weekend part of the exercise was to try a little different
sort of thing ('street' photography, if you will), where there's
a little more emphasis on composing in the viewfinder.  That's
why I mentioned these were uncropped, straight from the camera -
mostly for images one and three (although the wingtip-to-wingtip
framing of Fat Albert in front of Alcatraz isn't bad, either).


On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 11:31:04PM -0600, Tom C wrote:
> Feeling combative... what would have been wrong with cropping? :)
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net (Pentax List)
> Subject: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:20:29 -0400 (EDT)
> 
> 
> I've just found time to clear off enough space from my hard drive
> to be able to take a first look at my weekend images.
> 
> Here are five that caught my eye; (no cropping, just minor tweaks)
> 
> http://panix.com/~johnf/PDML/NorCal/index.html>
> 

Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet -4 PESOS

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/11/2005 9:59:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
NOT FRANK and MAX's CAFE leapt out at me

had to see who taht good looking guy was - and I
see it is Juan :)

I'm too sleepy to do this . but certainly some
nice stuff there, girl

ann

I was thinking of the stuff you shoot when I shot Untitled (Max's). Yes, he 
is, isn't he? 

Thanks! Ann.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too

[John Francis]

FA* 250-600/f5.6 @ 600mm,  1/1250 @ f6.3, *ist-D at ISO 200, monopod

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:56:55PM -0700, Jim Apilado wrote:
> Interesting shot of the Blue Angels cargo plane winging close to Alcatraz.
> What lens was used to get the shot?
> 
> Jim A.
> 
> > From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:20:29 -0400 (EDT)
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net (Pentax List)
> > Subject: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too
> > Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:20:29 -0400
> > 
> > 
> > I've just found time to clear off enough space from my hard drive
> > to be able to take a first look at my weekend images.
> > 
> > Here are five that caught my eye; (no cropping, just minor tweaks)
> > 
> > http://panix.com/~johnf/PDML/NorCal/index.html>
> > 
> > 
> > 

RE: Picture Window Pro. Was: PESO - Memorial

[Tom C]

Bruce, just curious... I've never used Picture Window Pro or Phase One 
Capture One.  Does either one stand out as being significantly easier to use 
or producing better results w/less effort than Photoshop?  I have PS CS2 at 
present.


Tom C.




From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Picture Window Pro.  Was:  PESO - Memorial
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:04:59 +0100

Thnaks, Bruce,

Since I posted my question, I have downloaded the trial and had a play.   
It's very impressive, and far easier to get into than PS.  I can see some  
modest expenditure looming.


Like you, I also use Phase One Capture One, and have been astounded at  what 
it can do with pictures I thought were beyond redemption.


John

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:57:23 +0100, Bruce Dayton  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



Hello John,

Thanks for the comments.

With full 16 bit support, full color mangement and sophisticated
masking, so far I never use Photoshop.  Not to say that PS is not a
great product, but PictureWindow Pro at about $90 is one heck of a buy
and a much better product than the other competitors of PS.  I am
overall happy with it.





--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too

[Jim Apilado]

Interesting shot of the Blue Angels cargo plane winging close to Alcatraz.
What lens was used to get the shot?

Jim A.

> From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:20:29 -0400 (EDT)
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net (Pentax List)
> Subject: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too
> Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:20:29 -0400
> 
> 
> I've just found time to clear off enough space from my hard drive
> to be able to take a first look at my weekend images.
> 
> Here are five that caught my eye; (no cropping, just minor tweaks)
> 
> http://panix.com/~johnf/PDML/NorCal/index.html>
> 
> 
> 

Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, John Francis wrote:


I've just found time to clear off enough space from my hard drive
to be able to take a first look at my weekend images.

Here are five that caught my eye; (no cropping, just minor tweaks)

http://panix.com/~johnf/PDML/NorCal/index.html>


Hmm. That's a LONG lens you have there, John. :-)

Godfrey

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 11, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Tom Reese wrote:

I think you get more magnification if you put the camera ->  
converter ->

tubes -> lens

if you do the math and assume 50mm of extension:

your way is equivalent to a 100mm lens with 50mm of extension yielding
something like 1:2 magnification (half life size)

the other way is equivalent to a 50mm lens with 50mm of extension  
yielding
1:1 magnification then doubled by converter to 2:1 magnification  
(twice life

size).

that is with the lens focused to infinity. the magnification  
changes when
you have it focused closer but the general formulas still pretty  
much hold

up.

Your way would give you much more working distance.


Thanks for your reply, Tom.

Being an empiricist first and a mathematician second, I fitted the  
setup using the A50 Macro racked out to maximum extension both ways  
and took a reading off my steel ruler:


camera->converter->tubes->lens netted 14.1mm horizontal field of view  
for a 1.7:1 magnification
camera->tubes->converter->lens netted 12.4mm horizontal field of view  
for a 1.9:1 magnification


The working distance at maximum magnification was very little  
different, but I didn't measure it. This is for 'flat art' copy work  
on a light table, so working distance isn't much of an issue. :-)


Godfrey

RE: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too

[Tom C]

Feeling combative... what would have been wrong with cropping? :)

Tom C.




From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net (Pentax List)
Subject: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:20:29 -0400 (EDT)


I've just found time to clear off enough space from my hard drive
to be able to take a first look at my weekend images.

Here are five that caught my eye; (no cropping, just minor tweaks)

http://panix.com/~johnf/PDML/NorCal/index.html>

Re: OT -- photographic education

[Tom C]

I think he's aking for a Molson, Scott.

Tom C.

From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: 
Subject: Re: OT -- photographic education
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:06:08 -0600


- Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: Re: OT -- 
photographic education




Bud Light for you, Wheaty.


I thought you said beer.

William Robb

GESO: NorCal PDML Meet - five from me, too

[John Francis]

 
I've just found time to clear off enough space from my hard drive 
to be able to take a first look at my weekend images. 
 
Here are five that caught my eye; (no cropping, just minor tweaks) 
 
http://panix.com/~johnf/PDML/NorCal/index.html> 
 
 

Re: GESO: Southwest Quiz

[Ann Sanfedele]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 10/11/2005 7:27:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I've made a small quiz from our Southwestern trip to USA:
> 
> http://www.misenet.sk/SF/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bedo.
> ===
> Zion, not sure, not sure, Bryce, Bryce, not sure (although I've seen that
> just don't remember where), Grand Canyon, Mesa Verde, the narrow gage railroad
> (forget what it runs between, but I know it goes into Colorado), not sure
> (Southern Utah?, I want to guess Painted Desert, but it looks more salty, 
> Death
> Valley?), San Francisco, California Coast near SF.
> 

> 
> Marnie aka Doe

OK, here we go
reading left to right,
ZION, MONO LAKE, ZION, 
cedar Breaks or BRyce, Bryce, Bryce, Near Mexican
Hat? or PAGe? not Grnad Canyon, I dont think.
Anazazi Ruins but not sure which ones - not big on
ruins...
Grafton?, Blue MEsa th the Painted Desert,
Oregon?, and Califronia Coast.

I thought I'd ace this, but dont think so...
I just know Ive been there :)

ann

Re: OT -- photographic education

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless" 
Subject: Re: OT -- photographic education




Bud Light for you, Wheaty.


I thought you said beer.

William Robb

Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet -4 PESOS

[Ann Sanfedele]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 

> 
> Nothing great. Although there are one or two (maybe three) that I sort of
> like.
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/MEET2/index.html
> 

> 
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)

NOT FRANK and MAX's CAFE leapt out at me

had to see who taht good looking guy was - and I
see it is Juan :)

I'm too sleepy to do this . but certainly some
nice stuff there, girl

ann

Re: OT -- photographic education

[Scott Loveless]

On 10/12/05, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> GFM is oneof the best short courses you can get.

I expect that to be true.  The camera clinic was a big eye opener. 
Vinny Colucci spent almost two hours discussing the benefits of using
digital cameras to MAKE MONEY.  While I really enjoy using and
processing film, he presented a very good argument for digital from a
business perspective.  Joe DiMaggio's presentation was even better and
touched on some of the same issues.

> I await my beer.

Seriously, I wouldn't wish light beer on my worst enemy.  I'll be
ordering in some Schlafly for the event.  I think you'll like it. 
http://www.schlafly.com/



--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
What's the best thing about light beer?  There's none in my refrigerator.

Re: OT -- photographic education

[Scott Loveless]

Bud Light for you, Wheaty.

On 10/12/05, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Loveless"
> Subject: OT -- photographic education
>
>
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts on these?  Experience with this sort of thing?  Other
> > suggestions?  Any and all feedback merits a beer, my treat, at GFM
> > next year.
> >
>
> GFM is oneof the best short courses you can get.
> I await my beer.
>
> William Robb
>
>


--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Re: PESO - Blue

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:18:24 -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Not sure if you are surprised with how good the 'reach'
> was or how 'poor'.

I was surprised at how good it was.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: OT -- photographic education

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless"

Subject: OT -- photographic education





Any thoughts on these?  Experience with this sort of thing?  Other
suggestions?  Any and all feedback merits a beer, my treat, at GFM
next year.



GFM is oneof the best short courses you can get.
I await my beer.

William Robb

RE: PESO A pic from my trip

[Tom C]

Pretty Nice Rob!  I can't wait to see the real thing.

I'm getting ready to stitch together a pano real soon from the Denali 
Highway.


Tom C.





From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: PESO A pic from my trip
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:33:23 +1000

I just generated a quick and dirty test pano from one of the 65 pano 
sequences
that I shot during my recent trip. I used thumb-nail files only so the 
image is

essentially as shot, I'll be able to produce a much improved image when I
finally get the time to use the RAW files.

The image covers 316 x 60 degrees and was composed of six landscape images 
shot
with my A24/2.8. The final pano will have dimensions of about 12000x2400px 
so

could produce an image about 2m x 40cm at 150dpi.

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/test.jpg (~230kB)

Tech: *ist D, ISO200, 1/125s A24/2.8 @ f8 + tripod & slide (for parallax 
correction)


This pic was shot from Port Lincoln National Park SA, Google Earth heads 
can

check out the location using this POI

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/Test.kmz

Comments, questions and critiques welcome.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO -- "strangers" (ACL 2005, Thievery Corporation concert)

[Paul Stenquist]

Great shot. It really captures a sense of the audience's personality 
and anticipation. Very nice conversion with excellent midtone 
separation. I like the rest of her portfolio as well. You have a very 
talented wife.

Paul
On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:18 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This is a photo my wife, Annette, took while we were at the Austin 
City Limits 2005 festival a few weeks ago. This was opening night, 
right before Thievery Corporation went on stage. One of the hottest 
days of the year and not a cloud in the sky, but everyone I spoke to 
agreed it was among the most enjoyable performances we'd ever seen; 
the sensual connection between the performers and the audience was 
extraordinary.


http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3762786

Wanted to see what you folks thought... this is some of her first work 
in black & white, but you can see some of her other recent work, 
especially in color portraiture, there on photo.net if you're 
interested.


All comments welcomed.

PESO -- "strangers" (ACL 2005, Thievery Corporation concert)

[grady.haynes]

This is a photo my wife, Annette, took while we were at the Austin City Limits 
2005 festival a few weeks ago. This was opening night, right before Thievery 
Corporation went on stage. One of the hottest days of the year and not a cloud 
in the sky, but everyone I spoke to agreed it was among the most enjoyable 
performances we'd ever seen; the sensual connection between the performers and 
the audience was extraordinary.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3762786

Wanted to see what you folks thought... this is some of her first work in black 
& white, but you can see some of her other recent work, especially in color 
portraiture, there on photo.net if you're interested.

All comments welcomed.

Re: OT -- photographic education

[Tom Reese]

Scott Loveless asked:

> I've been considering a slightly more formal means of photographic
> education.  The local colleges don't really offer much, and I'm rather
> restricted on time, so I'm looking at workshops and distance learning.
>  Of course, the Maine Photographic workshops seem interesting.  And
> there are occasionally weekend seminars, etc., offered in the
> Washington D.C. area.  Today I received some propaganda from NYIP.
>
> Any thoughts on these?  Experience with this sort of thing?  Other
> suggestions?

Hi Scott,

I think you might want to spend a little time figuring out exactly what you
want to learn. I suggest that you think about the following questions:

Where are you with your work? How good are you? What are you lacking? What
part of your work needs the most improvement?

Once you have an idea what you want to improve then you can plan how to get
there.

Suppose you're talking about portraiture: do you want to improve your
subject's poses? the lighting? the composition? the exposure?

I believe that the way to improve the quickest is to get instruction that is
specific to your needs.

I hope this helps.

Tom Reese

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Tom Reese]

Paul Stenquist asked:

> Why would one use a 50mm macro lens at infinity? Almost everyone has a
> fast fifty for non-macro work.

True but if you don't need the extra speed and you don't want to carry an
extra lens then the 50mm macro gives you awesome performance plus macro
capability.

Tom Reese

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Tom Reese]

Godfrey DiGiorgi asked:

> Question: I have a set of extension tubes, a 2x-S teleconverter, and
> the A50 Macro. I'm trying to make the greatest magnification possible
> out of the set. I presume the way to do this is to assemble
>Camera->Tubes->Converter->Lens
> ... eh?
>
> I'll be experimenting, but if someone's already done it I'd like to
> know.

I think you get more magnification if you put the camera -> converter ->
tubes -> lens

if you do the math and assume 50mm of extension:

your way is equivalent to a 100mm lens with 50mm of extension yielding
something like 1:2 magnification (half life size)

the other way is equivalent to a 50mm lens with 50mm of extension yielding
1:1 magnification then doubled by converter to 2:1 magnification (twice life
size).

that is with the lens focused to infinity. the magnification changes when
you have it focused closer but the general formulas still pretty much hold
up.

Your way would give you much more working distance.

Tom Reese

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 11, 2005, at 6:33 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:


Question: I have a set of extension tubes, a 2x-S teleconverter, and
the A50 Macro. I'm trying to make the greatest magnification possible
out of the set. I presume the way to do this is to assemble
   Camera->Tubes->Converter->Lens
... eh?

from the distant past:



On 13 Jan 2004 at 6:58, Christian Skofteland wrote:
Rob, John Shaw in "Closeups in Nature" says to put the TC on the  
camera
body, the tubes in front of it and the lens in front of that.   
This way you
multiply your extension, thereby allowing you to focus closer and  
increase

your magnification.

If you put the tubes on the body and the TC in front of the tube  
you are
multiplying the lens focal length but the extension is the same.   
Therefore

your magnification would be lower than using just the tubes.



OK I performed some practical tests with various combinations of  
lens TC and
tubes. In all cases I used the full 57mm 3 tube set with the lens  
set wide open
and set at its minimum focus distance, the AF TC was set at its  
infinity focus
position. The exposure factor quoted below is relative to 200mm at  
minimum focus

distance.

The 200 alone gave me 1:1 (23.5x15.7) on the sensor.
The 200 +1.7AF gave me 1.75:1 (13.4x9mm), exposure -1.58 stops
The 200 +1.7AF+tubes gave me 2.85:1 (8.2x5.5mm), exposure -2.74 stops
The 200 +tubes +1.7AF gave me 2.42:1 (9.7x6.5mm), exposure -1.77 stops


My quick test with the 50mm seems to indicate the same thing.
   Camera->tubes->converter->lens
nets greater magnification than
   camera->converter->tubes->lens.

Hard to say without setting up the jig in the copystand and doing the  
appropriate testing, but I would suspect that keeping the converter  
closer to the lens also nets better optical performance.


thx
Godfrey

Well, that wasn't so bad. WAS_SMCP 105/2.8 vs....

[Don Sanderson]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7551834885

I figured a couple of those bidders would find the reserve and
just keep going but they let little ole' me have it instead.
Figure if I don't like it, a little better auction  should
get my money back. (Well at least most of it.)
If nothing else it should look real pretty next to the
K-135/2.5. ;-)

Don

Re: PESO A pic from my trip

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Rob,

This pano looks like it could turn out real nice.  I'm really looking
forward to seeing the final.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 1:33:23 AM, you wrote:

RS> I just generated a quick and dirty test pano from one of the 65 pano 
sequences
RS> that I shot during my recent trip. I used thumb-nail files only so the 
image is
RS> essentially as shot, I'll be able to produce a much improved image when I
RS> finally get the time to use the RAW files. 

RS> The image covers 316 x 60 degrees and was composed of six landscape images 
shot
RS> with my A24/2.8. The final pano will have dimensions of about 12000x2400px 
so
RS> could produce an image about 2m x 40cm at 150dpi.

RS> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/test.jpg (~230kB)

RS> Tech: *ist D, ISO200, 1/125s A24/2.8 @ f8 + tripod & slide (for parallax 
correction)

RS> This pic was shot from Port Lincoln National Park SA, Google Earth heads can
RS> check out the location using this POI

RS> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/Test.kmz

RS> Comments, questions and critiques welcome.

RS> Cheers,


RS> Rob Studdert
RS> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
RS> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
RS> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
RS> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RS> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
RS> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Rob Studdert]

On 11 Oct 2005 at 18:23, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
> I find the A50/2.8 Macro OOF rendering a little less than perfect for  
> general pictorial use, but it's a very good lens for a lot of work  
> and a fine macro performer.

It's bokeh has never really bothered me but maybe it's the type of shots I tend 
to make with it?

> Question: I have a set of extension tubes, a 2x-S teleconverter, and  
> the A50 Macro. I'm trying to make the greatest magnification possible  
> out of the set. I presume the way to do this is to assemble
>Camera->Tubes->Converter->Lens
> ... eh?
> 
> I'll be experimenting, but if someone's already done it I'd like to  
> know.

>From the distant past:

On 13 Jan 2004 at 6:58, Christian Skofteland wrote:

> Rob, John Shaw in "Closeups in Nature" says to put the TC on the camera
> body, the tubes in front of it and the lens in front of that.  This way you
> multiply your extension, thereby allowing you to focus closer and increase
> your magnification.
> 
> If you put the tubes on the body and the TC in front of the tube you are
> multiplying the lens focal length but the extension is the same.  Therefore
> your magnification would be lower than using just the tubes.

OK I performed some practical tests with various combinations of lens TC and
tubes. In all cases I used the full 57mm 3 tube set with the lens set wide open
and set at its minimum focus distance, the AF TC was set at its infinity focus
position. The exposure factor quoted below is relative to 200mm at minimum focus
distance.

The 200 alone gave me 1:1 (23.5x15.7) on the sensor.
The 200 +1.7AF gave me 1.75:1 (13.4x9mm), exposure -1.58 stops
The 200 +1.7AF+tubes gave me 2.85:1 (8.2x5.5mm), exposure -2.74 stops
The 200 +tubes +1.7AF gave me 2.42:1 (9.7x6.5mm), exposure -1.77 stops


I hope that helps

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO - Barren Ground Bear

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/11/2005 4:24:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks for commenting Marnie

Kenneth Waller
==
I see others didn't like the framing. So one more comment, where I might like 
to see more of the right of the bear or more bear on the right, I didn't mind 
the framing. Maybe a tad cropped off the bottom. But overall I thought it 
made it a bit more intimate and found its unusualness rather intriguing. I mean 
full bear shots are done all the time.

Whatever.

Marnie aka Doe   I almost said full frontal bear shots. ;-)

Re: OT -- photographic education

[Herb Chong]

i have a friend who has taken NYIP. it's a good way to get a background on 
most aspects of photography. he found the lighting courses for still life 
and portraits useful. learning them on your own without some pointers every 
now and then from an expert can be pretty tricky.


Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: OT -- photographic education



Howdy, gang!

I've been considering a slightly more formal means of photographic
education.  The local colleges don't really offer much, and I'm rather
restricted on time, so I'm looking at workshops and distance learning.
Of course, the Maine Photographic workshops seem interesting.  And
there are occasionally weekend seminars, etc., offered in the
Washington D.C. area.  Today I received some propaganda from NYIP.

OT -- photographic education

[Scott Loveless]

Howdy, gang!

I've been considering a slightly more formal means of photographic
education.  The local colleges don't really offer much, and I'm rather
restricted on time, so I'm looking at workshops and distance learning.
 Of course, the Maine Photographic workshops seem interesting.  And
there are occasionally weekend seminars, etc., offered in the
Washington D.C. area.  Today I received some propaganda from NYIP.

Any thoughts on these?  Experience with this sort of thing?  Other
suggestions?  Any and all feedback merits a beer, my treat, at GFM
next year.

Thanks.

--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 11, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

Why would one use a 50mm macro lens at infinity? Almost everyone  
has a

fast fifty for non-macro work.


I often use my excellent A50/2.8 Macro as a one lens kit when I go  
out for a
casual bush-walk, it's great for capturing flowers and bugs plus  
anything a
normal 50mm can tackle. It's actually easier to focus than my fast  
50's in good

light.


I find the A50/2.8 Macro OOF rendering a little less than perfect for  
general pictorial use, but it's a very good lens for a lot of work  
and a fine macro performer.


Question: I have a set of extension tubes, a 2x-S teleconverter, and  
the A50 Macro. I'm trying to make the greatest magnification possible  
out of the set. I presume the way to do this is to assemble

  Camera->Tubes->Converter->Lens
... eh?

I'll be experimenting, but if someone's already done it I'd like to  
know.


Godfrey

Re: PESO(s) - 2 more - Whatizit/Cowboy

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/11/2005 2:36:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 10/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Two more from the Norcal PDML Meet until I post a GESO with shots of PDMLers
> in about a week.
>
> Whatizit?
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/whatizit.htm
>
> next button to... or click the link below...
>
> Ride 'em Cowboy
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/cowboy.htm
>

luv 'em both!!!

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

==
Thanks, frank. Even with typing with one hand or was it one finger?, I luv 
your comments.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet -4 PESOS

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/11/2005 3:07:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Marnie,

First let me say thank you for not showing my mug close up in your gallery. :)

My favorite shot is 'Not Frank' - Can't even articulate why I like it,
but I do.  I also liked 'Young Love' - really reminds me of walking
the streets of SF.  Lots to like here - some good stuff that works
together as a gallery.

You got some good documentary shots of the PDML outing - something I
didn't get, so good job there.  We didn't really take a group photo,
so your shots are probably the best we have.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce
==
Thanks, Bruce. And forget the IOU (for suppressing your photo), I'll call us 
even. 

Funny, I almost didn't include Not Frank in the gallery -- I thought maybe it 
was too simple, but I now I am glad I did.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: PESO - San Franciso Treat - V2

[Joseph Tainter]

I think I prefer the cropped version, but would consider taking off more 
on the right. It's a hard shot to make perfect.


What does he do with all that stuff at the end of the day? Does he live 
nearby?


Joe

Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Reese"

Subject: Re: PAW: The Love of my Life



>
>
>> First he's with my wife, now he has a relationship with my dog.
>> SHEESH!!
>
> Hey Robb, first your wife then your dog. Guess who's next?

You been dress shopping?


You can buy your own damn dresses. I don't think Frank will care what 
you're

wearing anyway.


My ancestry is Scottish. We take our brides from south of the border.
ww

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Rob Studdert]

On 11 Oct 2005 at 20:23, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Why would one use a 50mm macro lens at infinity? Almost everyone has a 
> fast fifty for non-macro work.

I often use my excellent A50/2.8 Macro as a one lens kit when I go out for a 
casual bush-walk, it's great for capturing flowers and bugs plus anything a 
normal 50mm can tackle. It's actually easier to focus than my fast 50's in good 
light.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO - Blue

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice, I like it.
On Oct 11, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


I hear ya.  These things move mighty fast and trying to wield a
100-300/4 + 1.4 converter makes for some tricky handholding.

Here is the crop that you mentioned:

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140a.htm

--
Bruce


Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 3:15:32 AM, you wrote:

PS> A nice grab. Of course it would be an excellent grab if you had 
caught

PS> the nose of that first plane. I'd crop it into a vertical with the
PS> planes crossing on the diagonal.
PS> Paul
PS> On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:29 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


At the Norcal PDML outing, in the afternoon part of the group went
down to the waterfront to watch the Blue Angels.  Two firsts for me -
I have never seen the Blue Angels perform live and I have never shot
at an airshow before.  What I can tell you is that those planes are
pretty darn fast!

At first I was kicking myself for leaving my monopod in the car, but
as the show progressed it became evident with how much the planes 
were

all over the sky, that the monopod would have become troublesome to
shoot more up into the air.


Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX, Sigma 1.4X EX, handheld
ISO 400, 1/750 sec @ f/5.6 - 300mm focal length + converter

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140.htm

Comments welcome.

--
Bruce

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Paul Stenquist]

Why would one use a 50mm macro lens at infinity? Almost everyone has a 
fast fifty for non-macro work.

Paul
On Oct 11, 2005, at 5:44 PM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:


On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think it's too much. You can usually find the M 50/4 macro for less 
than a hundred dollars. To my mind, a wide aperture is not necessary 
on a macro. It makes focusing a bit easier, but with the limited DOF 
you get when shooting macro, wide open is rarely an option.


The problem with the 50/4 is that it is not great at infinity, unlike 
newer, FREE macros.


Tim, why buy the F from an auction when KEH has FAs for less? Perhaps 
customs, is my guess.


Kostas

Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[Tom C]

Bill, I'd go see a doctor real soon if I was you.

Tom C.





From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: 
Subject: Re: PAW: The Love of my Life
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:41:15 -0600


- Original Message - From: "frank theriault" Subject: Re: PAW: The 
Love of my Life





Wasn't Leica jelious



no, we have an open relationship  


First he's with my wife, now he has a relationship with my dog.
SHEESH!!
WW

Re: PESO - My Offspring and Fellow Maniac

[Paul Stenquist]

Congratulations. It's great to see your kids do well. I think the photo 
is quite nice. I like the warm light and earthy colors.

Paul
On Oct 11, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

My youngest offspring had a "gig" a couple of weeks ago. I'm not the 
least
proud of the photo, the light was beyond hope. But I am proud of my 
son; he
is the one with the silly glasses. He was performing at a rock event 
of four

local bands. His act was a two band stunt like thing. They are insane!
http://flickr.com/photos/fototim/51320399/

BTW. There is one photo of the other bands I think has some quality 
(rock
photo quality). (The light man had an accident and made near decent 
light

for a few seconds)
http://flickr.com/photos/fototim/51321051/


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-Original Message-
From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11. oktober 2005 22:53
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: PESO -- Summer's Over

It's the season...

Well actually it's a gloomy drizzly day, I've been working on a 
software

project with almost no human contact, and I took a few minutes off to
take the dog for a walk.

http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_summersover.html

Technical Info:
Pentax *ist-D ISO 400 @ 1/100sec
smc Pentax-FA 43mm f1.9 Limited @ 145mm f6.3

--
When you're worried or in doubt,
Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PESO A pic from my trip

[Rob Studdert]

On 11 Oct 2005 at 17:11, Herb Chong wrote:

> i find exactly the opposite. PhotoVista almost always gets it right, then 
> Stitcher Express, and then everything else. if you are overlapping images by 
> 50%
> as recommended, there should be no horizon problem.

Assuming that the actual rig is correctly levelled :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO A pic from my trip

[Rob Studdert]

On 11 Oct 2005 at 0:00, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> Nicely captured & stitched. 
> My only nit is the proximity of the shoreline the the bottom center edge of 
> the
> inage.

Hi Kenneth,

Thanks for commenting, I agree it would have been nicer to have the shore-line 
a little further back however at this stage I can't make portrait mode shots 
with my limited pano kit so using a 24mm in landscape mode and setting all my 
levels that's where it ended up. I did shoot another 5 pano sequences from the 
same position as the light changed but unfortunately there just wasn't enough 
time to set up for a wider lens, a poor initial decision. This was my first 
pano of the trip using a new kit so I wasn't yet engaged in pano pre-view mode.

On 11 Oct 2005 at 10:51, P. J. Alling wrote:

> That's very impressive.

Thanks Peter, there is a lot more where that came from, maybe too much, glad 
you liked it in any case. :-)

On 11 Oct 2005 at 17:27, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!

> I think I missed the original post, so I'd asnwer to Doug's post...
> 
> Now, if this is "quick and dirty" how the "slow and clean" will
> look... One can only wonder in awe...

Thanks Boris, and thanks again Doug. Slow and clean will have less stitching 
flaws plus better contrast range and saturation, hopefully :-)

On 11 Oct 2005 at 15:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Beautiful. I would love to see a huge print of your final version. It should 
be
> spectacular. Nice work. 

Thanks Paul, it's nice but I'm not sure yet if it will ever find it's way into 
print as I've got a lot of good pano sequences to churn though over the coming 
months.

On 11 Oct 2005 at 17:48, Jens Bladt wrote:

> Very nice indeed, Rob!
> However, I find the horizon line a bit curved. I have discovered, that this 
is
> often the case, when using Photovista 3.5 (Iseemedia) or similar software,
> creating panoramaa automaticly.
> 
> I recently started using Pano Tool Assembler (PTAssembler) which seem to get
> around this problem nicely. I believe this is due to the ability to define
> control points in each picture. What do you think? What software did you use?

Hi Jens,

Thanks for commenting, good points you raise regarding the apparent curvature. 
However I think my problem was that I was relying upon a bad levelling device 
to set my rotating base, the images were manually stitched and had significant 
overlap frame to frame, no automatic control points in this one. I'm still 
experimenting with software hence my use of thumb-nail sized images in order to 
reduce build time.

I'm currently using Hugin and I'm inclined to consider the work-flow outlined 
here http://rbpark.ath.cx/articles/create-panorama His results are very good 
for someone who claims not to use a dedicated pano rig.

On 11 Oct 2005 at 18:52, Gasha wrote:

> Aamazing
> 
> Make a big print, if you can afford it.

Thanks Gasha, if it was only as easy as having to find the cash for printing 
I'd be happy :-)

On 11 Oct 2005 at 18:53, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Hi Rob
> this will be a wonderful panorama shot once tweaked a bit.
> The ship is a bit dark now in this QD sample for me.
> I'm sure you have seen some very beautiful places during your journey, just 
keep
> on posting photos please :-) 

Hi Markus, Thanks for commenting. I agree, it does need some brightening 
however it's very difficult to pull off and still have it remain natural 
looking in such an image. As you can see the exposure had to encompass a view 
directly into the setting sun and the shore-line under pretty dark clouds. The 
stitched pano was quite dark overall so I've already bumped up the dark areas, 
probably about the best I can expect from a set of JPG source files.

Yes I visited so many amazing places, I think I made enough photos along the 
way but in hindsight it's always so easy to see what you may have been able to 
do better such as using a wider lens on this shot :-) In any case I will pop 
out a pic every so often but even though I have a great deal of beautiful coast-
line shots I'll attempt to ensure that the images are very varied in their 
content.

On 11 Oct 2005 at 23:07, John Forbes wrote:

> That's a bit more like it!  I was slightly underwhelmed by your intital  
> trio of pics, but this is great.  I love moody "land meets sea" pictures.

LOL, thanks John, glad you were underwhelmed, I don't want to foster some kind 
of view that I can do no wrong :-)

The set of images that the trip produced is an interesting mix, about all that 
I don't have is street shots (well I have one) and the only portraiture that I 
engaged in was of friends or my car. I do have quite a stash of land meets sea 
pics, probably a small coffee table book worth actually ;-)

Thanks again to all who commented,

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO - Barren Ground Bear

[Kenneth Waller]

Thanks for commenting Marnie

Kenneth Waller


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - Barren Ground Bear



In a message dated 10/8/2005 2:40:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:28:08 +0100, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

you guys know the drill

Yea, nay and or comments
what would you do differently?

Thanks in advance

Kenneth Waller


That's lovely, Ken. Doesn't look like a teddy bear to me at all. Looks 
like a

real life bear.

Great shot. I like the colors too.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

RE: On PUG contributions

[Tim Øsleby]

I have stated that I will contribute this time. But when I start thinking
about it, there is nearly anything around me that is completely useless.
It's very tricky topic. Even my rubbish can be at some use for some purpose.


Hah. Think I've got an idea now! 
The only thing that’s completely useless is, , won't tell, not yet ;-)
All I have to do is to visualise this strange idea. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12. oktober 2005 00:46
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: On PUG contributions
> 
> Hi Tim
> don't worry, I'm still confident that I find something even more useless
> in
> time than a self portrait;-)
> I just **have to** finish the film because I want to know as fast as
> possible how good the SMC Takumar 85mm 1.8 really is 
> That will hopefully help tomorrow on my next search for useless things
> (reminds me of the film needful things - Stephen King) :-)
> 
> BTW I liked both of your concert shots and my Swiss German sounds as funny
> as your language IMHO:
> 
> A zelle bölla
> d'Chatz gaht uf Wallisellä
> chunnt sie wieder hei
> hät sie chrummi Bei
> 
> salut
> Markus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:54 PM
> >>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >>Subject: RE: On PUG contributions
> >>
> >>
> >>> make a self portrait of a "useless photographer"
> >>Shit! That was one of my ideas. I had the shot ready, very cliché,
> >>"photographer pointing at himself in the mirror" ;-)
> >>I never was really serious about submitting it though.
> >>
> >>
> >>Tim
> >>Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
> >>
> >>Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
> >>(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 23:28
> >>> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >>> Subject: RE: On PUG contributions
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jostein
> >>> I was wandering along the river called Limmat which leads to Zurich
> this
> >>> afternoon on my way to one of my computer support clients
> >>carrying a black
> >>> Pentax ME Super and that "new" SMC Takumar 1.8 85mm lens with M42
> mount
> >>> adapter on it looking for some "useless" things.
> >>> Found nothing today that meets the criteria for me but will continue
> in
> >>> the
> >>> next days and as a last resort will make a self portrait of a "useless
> >>> photographer" before November PUG deadline ;-) But handling
> >>*that* lens is
> >>> a
> >>> joy even on the ME Super,
> >>> I will look for a Spotmatic F as recommended here soon for it.
> >>>
> >>> In fewer words: I will contribute and try to comment as well on
> >>the coming
> >>> PUG.
> >>>
> >>> thanks for your and Adelheid's work.
> >>> greetings
> >>> Markus
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >>Everyone's private decisions on whether to submit or not will
> >>> >>determine it's future, not whether or not you'd like to see others
> >>> >>submit.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>It's your call.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Sincerely,
> >>> >>Jostein
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 

Re: Picture Window Pro. Was: PESO - Memorial

[John Forbes]

Thanks, Bruce.  I do have one question.  I can't download the manual.  Do  
you have to buy the product first, or is the manual just a good idea whose  
time has not yet come?


John

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:26:43 +0100, Bruce Dayton  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Capture One and Picture Window Pro make for a very capable, modestly
priced pair.  Have fun with the trial.  If you have questions, drop
me a line.





--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[Bruce Dayton]

I was thinking of the cat that you got rid of...

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 3:29:11 PM, you wrote:

TR> William Robb wrote this about Frank ("I'm not picky") Theriault:

>> First he's with my wife, now he has a relationship with my dog.
>> SHEESH!!

TR> Hey Robb, first your wife then your dog. Guess who's next?

TR> Tom Reese

RE: On PUG contributions

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Tim
don't worry, I'm still confident that I find something even more useless in
time than a self portrait;-)
I just **have to** finish the film because I want to know as fast as
possible how good the SMC Takumar 85mm 1.8 really is 
That will hopefully help tomorrow on my next search for useless things
(reminds me of the film needful things - Stephen King) :-)

BTW I liked both of your concert shots and my Swiss German sounds as funny
as your language IMHO:

A zelle bölla
d'Chatz gaht uf Wallisellä
chunnt sie wieder hei
hät sie chrummi Bei

salut
Markus






>>-Original Message-
>>From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:54 PM
>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Subject: RE: On PUG contributions
>>
>>
>>> make a self portrait of a "useless photographer"
>>Shit! That was one of my ideas. I had the shot ready, very cliché,
>>"photographer pointing at himself in the mirror" ;-)
>>I never was really serious about submitting it though.
>>
>>
>>Tim
>>Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>>
>>Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
>>(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 23:28
>>> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>> Subject: RE: On PUG contributions
>>>
>>> Hi Jostein
>>> I was wandering along the river called Limmat which leads to Zurich this
>>> afternoon on my way to one of my computer support clients
>>carrying a black
>>> Pentax ME Super and that "new" SMC Takumar 1.8 85mm lens with M42 mount
>>> adapter on it looking for some "useless" things.
>>> Found nothing today that meets the criteria for me but will continue in
>>> the
>>> next days and as a last resort will make a self portrait of a "useless
>>> photographer" before November PUG deadline ;-) But handling
>>*that* lens is
>>> a
>>> joy even on the ME Super,
>>> I will look for a Spotmatic F as recommended here soon for it.
>>>
>>> In fewer words: I will contribute and try to comment as well on
>>the coming
>>> PUG.
>>>
>>> thanks for your and Adelheid's work.
>>> greetings
>>> Markus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>Everyone's private decisions on whether to submit or not will
>>> >>determine it's future, not whether or not you'd like to see others
>>> >>submit.
>>> >>
>>> >>It's your call.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Sincerely,
>>> >>Jostein
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[Tom Reese]

> > William Robb wrote this about Frank ("I'm not picky") Theriault:
> >
> >> First he's with my wife, now he has a relationship with my dog.
> >> SHEESH!!
> >
> > Hey Robb, first your wife then your dog. Guess who's next?
>
> You been dress shopping?

You can buy your own damn dresses. I don't think Frank will care what you're
wearing anyway.

Tom Reese

Re: PESO - Blue

[Tom C]

Cool shot Bruce!  Didn't get to look yet. IMHO, it looks even better with 
the vertical crop AND the bottom plane cropped out.


Tom C.





From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: Tim Øsleby 
Subject: Re: PESO - Blue
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:16:19 -0700

Hello Tim,

Here is the crop you and Paul talked about.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140a.htm


I think you're right about improving the shot.  Thanks for the
suggestion.

--
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 3:52:06 AM, you wrote:

TØ> I agree with Paul. A vertical crop would probably make it an excellent
TØ> composition. The contrast with the sky and the details, gives this shot
TØ> great potential.


TØ> Tim
TØ> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

TØ> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
TØ> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 06:29
>> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>> Subject: PESO - Blue
>>
>> At the Norcal PDML outing, in the afternoon part of the group went
>> down to the waterfront to watch the Blue Angels.  Two firsts for me -
>> I have never seen the Blue Angels perform live and I have never shot
>> at an airshow before.  What I can tell you is that those planes are
>> pretty darn fast!
>>
>> At first I was kicking myself for leaving my monopod in the car, but
>> as the show progressed it became evident with how much the planes were
>> all over the sky, that the monopod would have become troublesome to
>> shoot more up into the air.
>>
>>
>> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX, Sigma 1.4X EX, handheld
>> ISO 400, 1/750 sec @ f/5.6 - 300mm focal length + converter
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140.htm
>>
>> Comments welcome.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce
>>

RE: F 50/2,8 macro

[Tim Øsleby]

I'm near braking one of the PDML rules here, so I won't comment on this one
at this moment. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 23:44
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: F 50/2,8 macro
> 
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I think it's too much. You can usually find the M 50/4 macro for
> > less than a hundred dollars. To my mind, a wide aperture is not
> > necessary on a macro. It makes focusing a bit easier, but with the
> > limited DOF you get when shooting macro, wide open is rarely an
> > option.
> 
> The problem with the 50/4 is that it is not great at infinity, unlike
> newer, FREE macros.
> 
> Tim, why buy the F from an auction when KEH has FAs for less? Perhaps
> customs, is my guess.
> 
> Kostas
> 

Re: Picture Window Pro. Was: PESO - Memorial

[Bruce Dayton]

Capture One and Picture Window Pro make for a very capable, modestly
priced pair.  Have fun with the trial.  If you have questions, drop
me a line.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 3:04:59 PM, you wrote:

JF> Thnaks, Bruce,

JF> Since I posted my question, I have downloaded the trial and had a play.
JF> It's very impressive, and far easier to get into than PS.  I can see some
JF> modest expenditure looming.

JF> Like you, I also use Phase One Capture One, and have been astounded at
JF> what it can do with pictures I thought were beyond redemption.

JF> John

JF> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:57:23 +0100, Bruce Dayton  
JF> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Hello John,
>>
>> Thanks for the comments.
>>
>> With full 16 bit support, full color mangement and sophisticated
>> masking, so far I never use Photoshop.  Not to say that PS is not a
>> great product, but PictureWindow Pro at about $90 is one heck of a buy
>> and a much better product than the other competitors of PS.  I am
>> overall happy with it.
>>

Re: PESO - Blue

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks Mark.  I have one or two more to share - not sure if they are
any better than this or not, but we'll see.

I really like the Sigma lens.  It is a nice focal length and gives a
little more versatility than a 80-200/2.8 plus converters, I think.
To get to the same max focal length you only need a 1.4 versus the 2x
on the 80-200/2.8 - my experience has been the 1.4x converters don't
weaken the image as much.

As to construction, it seems pretty well built - not as beastly as a
Tokina, but very solid feeling.  There seems to be quite a bit of
magnesium in it which gives it a bit lighter feel.  The tripod foot is
well done as it is a quick clamp type so rotation is very quick.  One
turn and you can rotate and turn right back tight.  Zoom is smooth and
manual focus is quite well damped.  Both focus and zoom are internal
so the lens does not change size while working the controls and that
is nice for balance.  As you can see, I did handhold it the entire
airshow without feeling overly burdened.  As there really isn't
anything else spec'ed the same, it is a rather unique and useful lens.

If you have other questions, don't hesitate to ask.

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 5:29:30 AM, you wrote:

MR> Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX, Sigma 1.4X EX, handheld
>>ISO 400, 1/750 sec @ f/5.6 - 300mm focal length + converter
>>
>>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140.htm

MR> Great shot Bruce! I like the unconventional composition, too: There have
MR> been so many air show photographs done over the years that it's
MR> difficult to come up with something different that still works. This one
MR> does it.
MR> How's that Sigma 100-300/4.0? Sounds like a great focal length &
MR> aperture combination for sports and wildlife photography, especially on
MR> a DSLR. I'd be interested in size/weight and construction as well as
MR> optical quality.
 
 

Fiddly Bits PDML (Was RE: F 50/2,8 macro)

[Tim Øsleby]

TØ> > This reminds me: Jostein and other fellow Norwegians, how
TØ> > about making a Fiddly Bits PDML soon?
JØ> I'm game. I remember Bergen in October/November, though... :-)
>

We don't have to meet in Bergen at this time of year. 
I'm going to Oslo in first week of November.
To Oslo World Music Festival 1.11.-6.11, having my annual dose of strange
music  
There are some concerts in Kulturkirken Jacob, a very venue venue to shot
at, lovely (low, but good) light. We could go to Vigelandsparken or
something else first.
Is this a good idea? 

Any other Norwegians interested in joining, any lurkers?


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 23:47
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: F 50/2,8 macro
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > BTW. Jostein, please tell me what this English speaking ignorant is
> > talking
> > about when he is referring to Shlikkepotte (off list, or on list),
> > why does
> > he spell it like a German word?.
> 
> He is, as you may have guessed, referring to a common kitchen tool.
> His spelling is probably more phonetic language than anything else.
> His pronounciation will cause facial expressions like this in
> children:
> http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/portraits/images/pic20.html
> 
> :-)
> 
> > ReBTW. This reminds me: Jostein and other fellow Norwegians, how
> > about
> > making a Fiddly Bits PDML soon?
> 
> I'm game. I remember Bergen in October/November, though... :-)
> 
> 
> Jostein
> 

Re: PESO - Blue

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Doug,

Not sure if you are surprised with how good the 'reach' was or how
'poor'.  One of the problems with these planes is they move all over
very fast.  When there is only one, you want to be a little closer,
but when in formation (or splitting formation), then you want some
room to get them all.  I had my Tokina 400/5.6 there, but didn't want
to use it for lack of being able to shoot wider when necessary.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 5:23:43 AM, you wrote:

DF> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:29:25 -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:

>> At the Norcal PDML outing, in the afternoon part of the group went
>> down to the waterfront to watch the Blue Angels.
>> 
>> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX, Sigma 1.4X EX, handheld
>> ISO 400, 1/750 sec @ f/5.6 - 300mm focal length + converter
>> 
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140.htm

DF> Very nice shot, Bruce.  Even with the teleconverter and the "crop
DF> factor" of using the 100-300 on the *ist D, I'm still a bit surprised
DF> at the "reach" you had.  It definitely makes me look forward to using
DF> the Sigma 400/5.6 on the *ist D.

DF> TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: PESO - Blue

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Tim,

Here is the crop you and Paul talked about.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140a.htm


I think you're right about improving the shot.  Thanks for the
suggestion.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 3:52:06 AM, you wrote:

TØ> I agree with Paul. A vertical crop would probably make it an excellent
TØ> composition. The contrast with the sky and the details, gives this shot
TØ> great potential.


TØ> Tim
TØ> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
TØ> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
TØ> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 06:29
>> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>> Subject: PESO - Blue
>> 
>> At the Norcal PDML outing, in the afternoon part of the group went
>> down to the waterfront to watch the Blue Angels.  Two firsts for me -
>> I have never seen the Blue Angels perform live and I have never shot
>> at an airshow before.  What I can tell you is that those planes are
>> pretty darn fast!
>> 
>> At first I was kicking myself for leaving my monopod in the car, but
>> as the show progressed it became evident with how much the planes were
>> all over the sky, that the monopod would have become troublesome to
>> shoot more up into the air.
>> 
>> 
>> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX, Sigma 1.4X EX, handheld
>> ISO 400, 1/750 sec @ f/5.6 - 300mm focal length + converter
>> 
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140.htm
>> 
>> Comments welcome.
>> 
>> --
>> Bruce
>> 

Re: PESO - Blue

[Bruce Dayton]

I hear ya.  These things move mighty fast and trying to wield a
100-300/4 + 1.4 converter makes for some tricky handholding.

Here is the crop that you mentioned:

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140a.htm

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 3:15:32 AM, you wrote:

PS> A nice grab. Of course it would be an excellent grab if you had caught
PS> the nose of that first plane. I'd crop it into a vertical with the
PS> planes crossing on the diagonal.
PS> Paul
PS> On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:29 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

>> At the Norcal PDML outing, in the afternoon part of the group went
>> down to the waterfront to watch the Blue Angels.  Two firsts for me -
>> I have never seen the Blue Angels perform live and I have never shot
>> at an airshow before.  What I can tell you is that those planes are
>> pretty darn fast!
>>
>> At first I was kicking myself for leaving my monopod in the car, but
>> as the show progressed it became evident with how much the planes were
>> all over the sky, that the monopod would have become troublesome to
>> shoot more up into the air.
>>
>>
>> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX, Sigma 1.4X EX, handheld
>> ISO 400, 1/750 sec @ f/5.6 - 300mm focal length + converter
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/norcalpdml_sf_140.htm
>>
>> Comments welcome.
>>
>> -- 
>> Bruce
>>

Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Reese" 
Subject: Re: PAW: The Love of my Life




William Robb wrote this about Frank ("I'm not picky") Theriault:


First he's with my wife, now he has a relationship with my dog.
SHEESH!!


Hey Robb, first your wife then your dog. Guess who's next?


You been dress shopping?
WW

Re: PESO A pic from my trip

[John Forbes]

That's a bit more like it!  I was slightly underwhelmed by your intital  
trio of pics, but this is great.  I love moody "land meets sea" pictures.


John

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:19:39 +0100, Doug Franklin  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:33:23 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:


I just generated a quick and dirty test pano from one of the
65 pano sequences that I shot during my recent trip.

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/test.jpg (~230kB)


Beautiful shot, Rob.  I especially like the clouds and the "flow" from
darker to lighter going from left to right.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ










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Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[Tom Reese]

William Robb wrote this about Frank ("I'm not picky") Theriault:

> First he's with my wife, now he has a relationship with my dog.
> SHEESH!!

Hey Robb, first your wife then your dog. Guess who's next?

Tom Reese

Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet -4 PESOS

[Bruce Dayton]

Marnie,

First let me say thank you for not showing my mug close up in your gallery. :)

My favorite shot is 'Not Frank' - Can't even articulate why I like it,
but I do.  I also liked 'Young Love' - really reminds me of walking
the streets of SF.  Lots to like here - some good stuff that works
together as a gallery.

You got some good documentary shots of the PDML outing - something I
didn't get, so good job there.  We didn't really take a group photo,
so your shots are probably the best we have.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, October 10, 2005, 2:55:31 PM, you wrote:

Eac> Yup, I decided to throw my gallery of the NorCal Meet up there now. That 
way
Eac> I can get on to other things this week and stop thinking about it.

Eac> And, yes, pictures of PDMLers are included. Although I didn't get good
Eac> individual shots of John Celio and Bruce Dayton, so I left them out (they 
were very
Eac> unflattering and you guys owe me some money. ;-))

Eac> Along with some more attempts at street photography and a few other things.

Eac> Nothing great. Although there are one or two (maybe three) that I sort of
Eac> like.

Eac> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/MEET2/index.html

Eac> Does not include the four PESOs that I have already shown.

Eac> Comments acceptable. (Read as welcome).

Eac> Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Picture Window Pro. Was: PESO - Memorial

[John Forbes]

Thnaks, Bruce,

Since I posted my question, I have downloaded the trial and had a play.   
It's very impressive, and far easier to get into than PS.  I can see some  
modest expenditure looming.


Like you, I also use Phase One Capture One, and have been astounded at  
what it can do with pictures I thought were beyond redemption.


John

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:57:23 +0100, Bruce Dayton  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hello John,

Thanks for the comments.

With full 16 bit support, full color mangement and sophisticated
masking, so far I never use Photoshop.  Not to say that PS is not a
great product, but PictureWindow Pro at about $90 is one heck of a buy
and a much better product than the other competitors of PS.  I am
overall happy with it.





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Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Lasse Karlsson]

From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:21 AM
Subject: RE: F 50/2,8 macro



I'll give you something to work at:

"Tommeltott,
Slikkepott,
Langemann,
Gullebrand,
og Lille Petter Spillemann."


"Tummetott,
Slickepott,
Långeman,
Gullebrand
och Lilla Vicke Vire"

är den version som jag har i minnet.

Men jag måste erkänna att jag är osäker på om "Vicke Vire" är den vanliga 
varianten eller om jag hittat på den själv (Jag känner liksom inte igen den 
i textversionen, bara i munnen.) Kanske någon annan svensk på listan kan 
bekräfta eller korrigera.



It's a nonsense children's game, naming the fingers at your hand.
"Tommeltott" is the thumb, and "Lille Petter Spillmann" is the little
finger.
Quite useful to know, you know ;-)

BTW. Jostein, please tell me what this English speaking ignorant is 
talking
about when he is referring to Shlikkepotte (off list, or on list), why 
does

he spell it like a German word?.


Isn't that the way you Norwegians pronounce it?

By the way, Slikkepotte, would translate into something like Lickthepot, 
wouldn't it? (The finger with which you sweep and lick up whatever is left 
in a pot.)


Btw2. That 50/2.8 macro was once rated as the best one you can get of any 
brand, if I recall correctly.


Lasse


ReBTW. This reminds me: Jostein and other fellow Norwegians, how about
making a Fiddly Bits PDML soon?


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11. oktober 2005 23:05
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: F 50/2,8 macro

On 11/10/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>LOL!!!
>Ok, go on, laugh on my expense.
>I never understand jokes on my expense.
>
>BTW: You are an evil man, making fun of my English ;-)

I know, I know. I'll try and learn some Norwegian so you can have a
chuckle.

Schlikkepotte!

(ask Jostein) 

RE: On PUG contributions

[Tim Øsleby]

> make a self portrait of a "useless photographer"
Shit! That was one of my ideas. I had the shot ready, very cliché,
"photographer pointing at himself in the mirror" ;-) 
I never was really serious about submitting it though. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 23:28
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: On PUG contributions
> 
> Hi Jostein
> I was wandering along the river called Limmat which leads to Zurich this
> afternoon on my way to one of my computer support clients carrying a black
> Pentax ME Super and that "new" SMC Takumar 1.8 85mm lens with M42 mount
> adapter on it looking for some "useless" things.
> Found nothing today that meets the criteria for me but will continue in
> the
> next days and as a last resort will make a self portrait of a "useless
> photographer" before November PUG deadline ;-) But handling *that* lens is
> a
> joy even on the ME Super,
> I will look for a Spotmatic F as recommended here soon for it.
> 
> In fewer words: I will contribute and try to comment as well on the coming
> PUG.
> 
> thanks for your and Adelheid's work.
> greetings
> Markus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>Everyone's private decisions on whether to submit or not will
> >>determine it's future, not whether or not you'd like to see others
> >>submit.
> >>
> >>It's your call.
> >>
> >>
> >>Sincerely,
> >>Jostein
> >>
> 

Re: PESO: Others 2005 - 40q - GDG

[P. J. Alling]

I think he was quite careful in his phrasing...

Cotty wrote:


On 11/10/05, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


Oh, that's okay, Cotty... I doubt you two will be attending the same ball...
   



Hmmm, I think you could have phrased that a bit better!




Cheers,
 Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_



 




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Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
BTW. Jostein, please tell me what this English speaking ignorant is 
talking
about when he is referring to Shlikkepotte (off list, or on list), 
why does

he spell it like a German word?.


He is, as you may have guessed, referring to a common kitchen tool. 
His spelling is probably more phonetic language than anything else. 
His pronounciation will cause facial expressions like this in 
children:

http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/portraits/images/pic20.html

:-)

ReBTW. This reminds me: Jostein and other fellow Norwegians, how 
about

making a Fiddly Bits PDML soon?


I'm game. I remember Bergen in October/November, though... :-)


Jostein 

Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 
Subject: Re: PAW: The Love of my Life





Wasn't Leica jelious



no, we have an open relationship  


First he's with my wife, now he has a relationship with my dog.
SHEESH!!
WW

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think it's too much. You can usually find the M 50/4 macro for 
less than a hundred dollars. To my mind, a wide aperture is not 
necessary on a macro. It makes focusing a bit easier, but with the 
limited DOF you get when shooting macro, wide open is rarely an 
option.


The problem with the 50/4 is that it is not great at infinity, unlike 
newer, FREE macros.


Tim, why buy the F from an auction when KEH has FAs for less? Perhaps 
customs, is my guess.


Kostas

PESO - My Offspring and Fellow Maniac

[Tim Øsleby]

My youngest offspring had a "gig" a couple of weeks ago. I'm not the least
proud of the photo, the light was beyond hope. But I am proud of my son; he
is the one with the silly glasses. He was performing at a rock event of four
local bands. His act was a two band stunt like thing. They are insane!
http://flickr.com/photos/fototim/51320399/

BTW. There is one photo of the other bands I think has some quality (rock
photo quality). (The light man had an accident and made near decent light
for a few seconds)
http://flickr.com/photos/fototim/51321051/


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 22:53
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO -- Summer's Over
> 
> It's the season...
> 
> Well actually it's a gloomy drizzly day, I've been working on a software
> project with almost no human contact, and I took a few minutes off to
> take the dog for a walk.
> 
> http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_summersover.html
> 
> Technical Info:
> Pentax *ist-D ISO 400 @ 1/100sec
> smc Pentax-FA 43mm f1.9 Limited @ 145mm f6.3
> 
> --
> When you're worried or in doubt,
>   Run in circles, (scream and shout).
> 

Re: PESO: Others 2005 - 40q - GDG

[keith_w]

Cotty wrote:


On 11/10/05, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed:



Oh, that's okay, Cotty... I doubt you two will be attending the same ball...




Hmmm, I think you could have phrased that a bit better!

Cheers,
  Cotty


Uhhh, I meant "function." I mean, well, "festive activity." That is, "danse 
macabre" contest.


Oh heck, you know what I mean.

keith

Re: PESO(s) - 2 more - Whatizit/Cowboy

[frank theriault]

On 10/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Two more from the Norcal PDML Meet until I post a GESO with shots of PDMLers
> in about a week.
>
> Whatizit?
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/whatizit.htm
>
> next button to... or click the link below...
>
> Ride 'em Cowboy
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/cowboy.htm
>
> It probably helps if you know something about or are aware of Stockton
> California.
>
> You may also back button from Whatizit? to Personal Space and Ode to
> Magritte. Two PESOs I showed last night.
>
> Now off to lurk for a week (Yes, I can do it. No, I can't.) to get more work
> done.
>
> I do hope someone comments sometime on the four PESOs I have now shown.
>
> I know one is only as good as one's last comments on others' PESOs (sort of
> like one is only as good as one's last publication). And I haven't commented
> for a week, and won't be commenting for a week.
>
> But come on, guys, I have commented tons on others' photos in the past. Some
> just a few weeks ago.
>
> Any comments, good or bad, welcome.

luv 'em both!!!

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: On PUG contributions

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Jostein
I was wandering along the river called Limmat which leads to Zurich this
afternoon on my way to one of my computer support clients carrying a black
Pentax ME Super and that "new" SMC Takumar 1.8 85mm lens with M42 mount
adapter on it looking for some "useless" things.
Found nothing today that meets the criteria for me but will continue in the
next days and as a last resort will make a self portrait of a "useless
photographer" before November PUG deadline ;-) But handling *that* lens is a
joy even on the ME Super,
I will look for a Spotmatic F as recommended here soon for it.

In fewer words: I will contribute and try to comment as well on the coming
PUG.

thanks for your and Adelheid's work.
greetings
Markus




>>Everyone's private decisions on whether to submit or not will
>>determine it's future, not whether or not you'd like to see others
>>submit.
>>
>>It's your call.
>>
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Jostein
>>

RE: F 50/2,8 macro

[Tim Øsleby]

I'll give you something to work at:

"Tommeltott, 
Slikkepott, 
Langemann, 
Gullebrand,
og Lille Petter Spillemann."

It's a nonsense children's game, naming the fingers at your hand. 
"Tommeltott" is the thumb, and "Lille Petter Spillmann" is the little
finger.
Quite useful to know, you know ;-)

BTW. Jostein, please tell me what this English speaking ignorant is talking
about when he is referring to Shlikkepotte (off list, or on list), why does
he spell it like a German word?.

ReBTW. This reminds me: Jostein and other fellow Norwegians, how about
making a Fiddly Bits PDML soon?


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 23:05
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: F 50/2,8 macro
> 
> On 11/10/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >LOL!!!
> >Ok, go on, laugh on my expense.
> >I never understand jokes on my expense.
> >
> >BTW: You are an evil man, making fun of my English ;-)
> 
> I know, I know. I'll try and learn some Norwegian so you can have a
> chuckle.
> 
> Schlikkepotte!
> 
> (ask Jostein)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 
> 

Re: PESO -- Summer's Over

[cbwaters]

80*F today here in Hotlanta and that photo is STILL damned depressing :)
CW
- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: PESO -- Summer's Over



It's the season...

Well actually it's a gloomy drizzly day, I've been working on a software 
project with almost no human contact, and I took a few minutes off to take 
the dog for a walk.


http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_summersover.html

Technical Info:
Pentax *ist-D ISO 400 @ 1/100sec
smc Pentax-FA 43mm f1.9 Limited @ 145mm f6.3

--
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Re: Poll: shall PUG continue?

[frank theriault]

On 10/11/05, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Frank!
>
> You've hit the nail exactly.
>
>  Jostein

i have to admit, jostein, i've been as guilty as anyone else.  since i
started my new job back in august, i've not had the time to get as
many prints done as i'd like, so i've missed the last two months,
after about 3 or 4 years of not missing one month.

hopefully this month i'll get something in.

whatever the case may be, it's up to all of us to "vote with our feet"
as it were, because if we lose pug, it's no one's fault but our own.

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO A pic from my trip

[Herb Chong]

i find exactly the opposite. PhotoVista almost always gets it right, then 
Stitcher Express, and then everything else. if you are overlapping images by 
50% as recommended, there should be no horizon problem.


Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: PESO A pic from my trip



Very nice indeed, Rob!
However, I find the horizon line a bit curved. I have discovered, that 
this

is often the case, when using Photovista 3.5 (Iseemedia) or similar
software, creating panoramaa automaticly.

I recently started using Pano Tool Assembler (PTAssembler) which seem to 
get

around this problem nicely.
I believe this is due to the ability to define control points in each
picture. What do you think?
What software did you use?

Re: PESO: Others 2005 - 40q - GDG

[Cotty]

On 11/10/05, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Oh, that's okay, Cotty... I doubt you two will be attending the same ball...

Hmmm, I think you could have phrased that a bit better!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Cotty]

On 11/10/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>LOL!!!
>Ok, go on, laugh on my expense. 
>I never understand jokes on my expense.
>
>BTW: You are an evil man, making fun of my English ;-)

I know, I know. I'll try and learn some Norwegian so you can have a chuckle.

Schlikkepotte!

(ask Jostein)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO -- Summer's Over

[keith_w]

P. J. Alling wrote:


It's the season...

Well actually it's a gloomy drizzly day, I've been working on a software 
project with almost no human contact, and I took a few minutes off to 
take the dog for a walk.


http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_summersover.html

Technical Info:
Pentax *ist-D ISO 400 @ 1/100sec
smc Pentax-FA 43mm f1.9 Limited @ 145mm f6.3


Gee! I guess it *does* get wet when you walk your dog...
Or, does s/he pull you across the koi pond?

keith

Re: PESO -- Summer's Over

[pnstenquist]

Interesting concept. Well executed. I like it.
Paul


> It's the season...
> 
> Well actually it's a gloomy drizzly day, I've been working on a software 
> project with almost no human contact, and I took a few minutes off to 
> take the dog for a walk.
> 
> http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_summersover.html
> 
> Technical Info:
> Pentax *ist-D ISO 400 @ 1/100sec
> smc Pentax-FA 43mm f1.9 Limited @ 145mm f6.3
> 
> -- 
> When you're worried or in doubt, 
>   Run in circles, (scream and shout).
> 

PESO -- Summer's Over

[P. J. Alling]

It's the season...

Well actually it's a gloomy drizzly day, I've been working on a software 
project with almost no human contact, and I took a few minutes off to 
take the dog for a walk.


http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_summersover.html

Technical Info:
Pentax *ist-D ISO 400 @ 1/100sec
smc Pentax-FA 43mm f1.9 Limited @ 145mm f6.3

--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

On PUG contributions

[Jostein]

Gang,

I think I should say that Adelheid didn't ask me first before putting 
the poll question forward to the list. :-)


Still, it's a question that's been preying on our minds for a long 
time. The first signs of decline were already there in spring 2004, 
and I remember we discussed it on our trip to GFM in June.


The hacker attacks at the komkon server that spring was one important 
stab in the vigour of PUG. While Igor had the ungrateful job of 
putting it back together, the PESOs were suddenly playing the first 
fiddle as a concept for sharing pictures.


PUG never really caught on to that tune again.

There was even an attempt for a while to ban PESOs for at least a week 
when a new PUG was published, to give people time to look and comment 
without distractions, but nobody adhered.


It's beyond recall to have PUG as the main way of sharing photos for 
the PDML members. Many of us even posts PESOs as links into other 
online communities where we might get some cross-fertilising of 
comments; harvesting from two sources at once.


PUGs remaining strong side is that it is purely and solely a product 
of the PDML community. It has all the time been maintained by members, 
hosted by members or members' friends, and not the least populated 
with members' photographs. It has tradition, and a huge archive of 
images. For example, Bill D. Casselberry, who hasn't posted to the PUG 
for as long as Adelheid has maintained it, has about 40 entries in 
there. Bruce Dayton probably have more, as have Frank Theriault.


If the PUG cease to attract new submissions, however, it also cease to 
be tradition. It will still be worthy of web display, but will become 
a dusty document of history and bygones.


Everyone's private decisions on whether to submit or not will 
determine it's future, not whether or not you'd like to see others 
submit.


It's your call.


Sincerely,
Jostein 

Re: Poll: shall PUG continue?

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


i can't help but notice that most who've posted to say "yes" rarely
post to pug.  the monthly numbers have generally dwindled over the
past few years.

if we expect volunteers to continue their hard work, we should "put
our money where our mouths are" and start to fill the gallery again.


Thanks, Frank!

You've hit the nail exactly.

Jostein

Re: PESO: Others 2005 - 40q - GDG

[keith_w]

Cotty wrote:


On 11/10/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:



 http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/40q.htm

Comments, critique, and especially flames, all appreciated.




Damn, I've just bought the same outfit.


Oh, that's okay, Cotty... I doubt you two will be attending the same ball...

keith



Cheers,
  Cotty

RE: F 50/2,8 macro

[Tim Øsleby]

LOL!!!
Ok, go on, laugh on my expense. 
I never understand jokes on my expense.

BTW: You are an evil man, making fun of my English ;-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 22:22
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: F 50/2,8 macro
> 
> On 11/10/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> > > First time I will be following a ebay auction, quite
> > >exiting.
> 
> Sorry Tim, I was playing on your typo. I find a lot of auctions worth
> exiting the room for. Like over-priced nonesense
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 
> 

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Cotty]

On 11/10/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

> > First time I will be following a ebay auction, quite
> >exiting.

Sorry Tim, I was playing on your typo. I find a lot of auctions worth
exiting the room for. Like over-priced nonesense





Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO: Others 2005 - 40q - GDG

[Cotty]

On 11/10/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/40q.htm
>
>Comments, critique, and especially flames, all appreciated.

Damn, I've just bought the same outfit.




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: PESO Unintentional photos from my recent trip

[Cotty]

On 11/10/05, Markus Maurer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Hi Cotty
>and did any of them record something worthy or funny ever?

Not to my knowledge. Mostly, the cameraman gets 'out of sync' with the
record button. If it gets knocked while carrying the camera, then when
you come to record a scene, you press the button thinking that you are
starting the tape when in fact you are stopping the tape. Then you press
to stop, and it starts up etc etc. You end up with 20 minutes of a camera
being carried around, fixed to the tripod, and just as the shot starts,
it switches off. Then more carrying etc ;-)

There are tally lights (little red lights that come on when the tape is
recording - one on the front, a small one on the back, a very small one
visible when shooting with the eye away from the viewfinder, and one in
the viewfinder, above the picture) but I keep them all switched off
except for the last two. I don't like anyone knowing when I'm turning
over (shooting).

The antics from the first para above happened to me once only, and only
for a minute. I always look for my little red light when I press the button.

I did mic up a policeman on a dawn raid once. When they'd finished
breaking the front door down and rounding up all the thieves (which we
filmed) we popped back outside while they did the paperwork. I waited for
our man to come out so I could get my mic back. Before he did, the
policeman kindly popped to the toilet and relieved himself. Of course I
didn't know what he was doing as I only heard rustling sounds, until
Niagara Falls started up. I took my cans (headphones) off and didn't
listen anymore.

best,




Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: F 50/2,8 macro

[Tim Øsleby]

There is no need to worry about me. My pulse is still low. It's not a
135/1,8 a FA* 80-200/2,8 or something similar. 
1 day and 12 hours before closing. I'll report back in proper time.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11. oktober 2005 21:54
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: F 50/2,8 macro
> 
> On 11/10/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> > First time I will be following a ebay auction, quite
> >exiting.
> 
> You don't know how true this is :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 
> 

Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[frank theriault]

On 10/11/05, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wasn't Leica jelious
>

no, we have an open relationship  

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Digital Primer?

[Cotty]

On 11/10/05, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Keep some of it in the upstairs loo also... BTW, what were you gooing to do 
>with it?

;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet -4 PESOS

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://members.aol.com/eactivist/MEET2/index.html


LOL ... for what? for showing my jowly cheek? I'm a cheeky sod, it
can stay... ;-)

Actually, I meant am I going to owe you because you will suppress  
photos of
me? (Although I am not aware that you took any, but you never  
know.) But, yeah,
I figured the cheek could stay, because hardly anyone would look  
good/great

at that angle.


:-)
No, sorry Marnie. I didn't get too many photos of the PDMLers (I  
think my best shots of our company of friends were taken with the  
camera phone during dinner!).


Godfrey

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Cotty]

On 11/10/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

> First time I will be following a ebay auction, quite
>exiting.

You don't know how true this is :-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet -4 PESOS

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/11/2005 12:27:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/MEET2/index.html
>
> Thanks. Bruce and John (Celio) owe me money. Am I going to owe you?
>
> (i.e. I suppressed their photos.)

LOL ... for what? for showing my jowly cheek? I'm a cheeky sod, it  
can stay... ;-)

Godfrey

Actually, I meant am I going to owe you because you will suppress photos of 
me? (Although I am not aware that you took any, but you never know.) But, yeah, 
I figured the cheek could stay, because hardly anyone would look good/great 
at that angle. 

I mean, really, they wouldn't.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[P. J. Alling]

That should be jealous...

P. J. Alling wrote:


Wasn't Leica jelious

frank theriault wrote:


On 10/8/05, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Hi!

  


Okay, I guess I love my kids more...

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3777084&size=lg





Frank, this is severely off topic ;-).

  



IT WAS TAKEN WITH A PENTAX!!!

so it's most certainly on-topic  

-frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson


 







--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PESO: Others 2005 - 40q - GDG

[P. J. Alling]

Holly Arabian Nights...

You can always tell a ham. 


Nice shot, good colors.

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


It's National Coming Out Day today.

I thought this photo celebrated the occasion appropriately. Taken  
during San Francisco Gay Pride 2005:


  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/40q.htm

Comments, critique, and especially flames, all appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey





--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PESO - Chicago Marathon

[Mark Roberts]

Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>The bunch I've shown is in the 12th mile of a 26 mile race.  Two in
>the group have PACER printed above their numbers.  I presume they are
>there to provide a good pace for teammates.  (I can see several team
>uniforms in my pictures.)

Yep. The pacers are often known as "rabbits" and are usually hired by
the race organizers. Their job is to run the first 20 miles at a
specified pace to insure a fast overall winning time: Sometimes runners
with strong finishing kicks will play so many tactical games during the
race that the winner's time, even if he's world class, isn't very
impressive. Race directors like to have fast winning times to promote
their races.
The rabbits are usually national calibre runners who can maintain the
26-mile-pace of the favorites for just 20 miles :)
But things don't always work out that way. Once, at the Chicago
Marathon, in fact, the rabbit decided that he felt so good at 20 miles
that he'd continue. (To anyone who's never run a marathon I can tell you
that most marathoners regard 20 miles as the "half way point" in terms
of effort: Those last 6.2 miles are indescribable.) Anyway, the rabbit
ended up winning the race! A lot of the elite contenders complained but
the race directors quite rightly told them to get stuffed! :-)
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: GESO: NorCal PDML Meet -4 PESOS

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://members.aol.com/eactivist/MEET2/index.html


Thanks. Bruce and John (Celio) owe me money. Am I going to owe you?

(i.e. I suppressed their photos.)


LOL ... for what? for showing my jowly cheek? I'm a cheeky sod, it  
can stay... ;-)


Godfrey

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[P. J. Alling]

Humm, the money is certainly going to exit your wallet now...

Tim Øsleby wrote:


This might turn out to be interesting. Now he is telling me I can bid, and
pay him another way. First time I will be following a ebay auction, quite
exiting.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


 


-Original Message-
From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11. oktober 2005 20:21
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: F 50/2,8 macro

I tried to get the prize down, in vain.
The seller told me had second thoughts about it, and now is selling it at
ebay. I'm following the auction, but will not bid (haven’t got paypal).
Doesn't really matter, in fact my wallet gave me a pleased purring sound.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

   


-Original Message-
From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11. oktober 2005 19:41
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: F 50/2,8 macro

300 US$ is a bit too much for this lens, isn't it?
Anybody got any comments on this lens?


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


 




   







 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

[P. J. Alling]

Wasn't Leica jelious

frank theriault wrote:


On 10/8/05, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Hi!

   


Okay, I guess I love my kids more...

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3777084&size=lg


 


Frank, this is severely off topic ;-).

   



IT WAS TAKEN WITH A PENTAX!!!

so it's most certainly on-topic  

-frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson


 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: F 50/2,8 macro

[Fred]

> 300 US$ is a bit too much for this lens, isn't it?
> Anybody got any comments on this lens?

I think that $300 USD is a bit "steep", perhaps unless it is brand new.

However, the F 50/2.8 Macro (or the optically identical FA version) is
bitingly sharp - it's really an incredibly sharp lens.

Nonetheless, I used to have two of them (at different times), but sold them
both, even though I still have the delightful A 50/2.8 Macro (not the same
optically).

The F is terribly annoying to focus manually.  The A is an absolute
pleasure to focus manually.  So, I've kept the A 50/2.8 (as my "compact,
most portable macro lens"), even though it's just a wee bit less sharp than
the F model.

[The A 100/2.8 Macro is my "bulkier, not quite so compact, but overall
favorite macro lens".}

Fred