Re: OTS Metering?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 20, 2005, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote:

The Nikon F3, Canon New F1 and several Olympus OM models all do  
TTL-OTF ambient metering. The unique feature of the LX is that it  
does so down to -6.5EV, a range which is unheard of.


Don't know which F3 model you had. Mine metered off the screen, and  
exposure was locked in when the shutter was pushed.


The F3 model did not meter off the screen, Bill. It was the first  
Nikon with the metering sensors fully intergrated into the mirror  
box, and also the first Nikon to support TTL flash metering. It  
didn't do OTF real time metering, though: exposure time was locked in  
at the time of the shutter release as you said.


The LX will adjust the exposure to correct changes in light  
intensity *during* the exposure.

I don't know much about F1s and Olys.


The Olympus OM-2 did that, they were the first (1975-76, IIRC). I  
don't know about the Canon F1.


Godfrey

Re: OTS Metering?

[Rob Studdert]

On 21 Dec 2005 at 8:31, Lucas Rijnders wrote:

> Couldn't you use dedicated photosensors, spread between the normal ones,  
> that do allow for continuous reading? The fun in IC's is intergrating  
> functions, isn't it?
> 
> And, if you make 200.000 of 'em you could make a MLU-live preview as well  ;-)
> -- Regards, Lucas

Not me personally but I guess it's possible, maybe you should patent the idea? 
:-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: OT: Photoshop B&W Converson Tones

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

sRGB was an collaborative effort between HP and Microsoft from the  
mid1990s. One of my friends was on that effort, and was in charge of  
the naming work, and HE named it for "small gamut RGB". No matter  
what wikipedia has to say about it, or even the official documents,  
that is what it was named for.


Godfrey

On Dec 20, 2005, at 9:56 PM, Powell Hargrave wrote:


standard RGB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB_color_space



The 's' in sRGB stands for 'small', not 'standard', referring to
the small gamut colorspace.


I've also seen it referred to as "screen".  The gamut of sRGB was
deliberately specified to match the phosphors used in the majority of
computer monitors.  Nevermind the fact that working colour spaces are
meant to be device-independent and should ideally encompass the
limitations of the entire workflow.

I can think of another suitable "s" word if you're interested...

- Dave

RE: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?

[John Coyle]

G'day Trevor:  I agree 100%, the 28-105 is also my most used lens on both 
the MZ-S and the *ist-D.  My walkabout kit comprises that, an 18-35 and a 
70-210 and I reckon I've got most bases covered in both film and digital. 
The only other lens I'd now like to get is the new 12-24, which would give 
me the same zoom range on digital as the 18-35 does on film.


Do you ever get up to Brisbane?  If so, give me a hoy and we'll arrange 
something.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "Trevor Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?



G'day Collin.
Mate, For the *ist DS, I like No.1 and No.8

The SMC F 35-135 is a very versatile lens if you don't mind the poor
close focus.

Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
Grafton.
Australia

-Original Message-
From: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2005 9:54 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?


I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
(When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall
preference

1. 28-105 f/4.0-5.6 FA (p)
2. 28-105 mm f/4-5.6 FA (New )
3. 28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 (Newer)
4. 28-135 mm f/4.0 A
5. 35-105 mm f/3.5 A
6. 35-105 mm f/4.0-5.6 F
7. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 A
8. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 F

Or is there a wider lens that you'd use for something like this?
Something faster than the kit 18-55?

Collin




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RE: Alien Bees

[Paul Ewins]

Hi Bob,
They do 220v versions as well, only $10 extra. Which versions do you
use? They are cheap enough that I'm tempted to just get the most powerful
versions and be done with it, but then I'll probably only get a couple.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Paul, will they work on your electrical supply in Oz?  I don't know  
what you use there, but they are made for USA, 110 V 60 Hz.

I use four of them in my studio and have been very satisfied with them.

As I recall the reflectors and such are interchangeable with those  
from Balcar, but not with anything else.  Considering the price of  
Balcar, it might be cheaper to buy the AlienBees stuff and pay the  
high shipping.

I did manage to make an old Bowens snoot work with duct tape, but  
when the modeling light really heats up the tape softens and the  
snoot falls off!  I've planned for years to make a permanent fix with  
pop rivets but just never got a round tuit.

Bob

Re: Curious about zoom lens length.

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:29:43 +0100 schreef Don Sanderson  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



Maybe someone can enlighten me.
Some zoom lenses are physically longest at
their longest focal length, such as the FA24-90.
Others, like the FA28-70/4 AL are physically
shortest at their longest FL.


Hi Don,

My FA 28-70 is shortest at 50mm. It extends a tiny bit towards 70mm. How  
does the FA 24-90 change exactly?



Does anyone know why this is, and what
advantage or disadvantage each design has?


I would guess short zooms generally use a design that goes from long to  
short to long angain (usually longest at shortest focal length), and  
telezooms just extend out (get longer as they get longer, if you know what  
I mean). As telelenses tend to be less complex anyway, I would guess that  
this is simply the easiest way to do a zoom if you can get away with it.


Wikipedia has a nice article  on  
zoom lenses. It does not explain the observed length changes, so there is  
obviously more involved. I could not find better articles on the matter.  
If someone has links, I;d be interested.


--
Regards, Lucas

Re: OTS Metering?

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:34:22 +0100 schreef Rob Studdert  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



On 20 Dec 2005 at 22:31, DagT wrote:


Why do you want it?  The best solution would be if the first pixel
getting close to saturation said STOP!

I want In The Sensor Metering .-)


This is a very difficult concept using the type of sensor found in DSLRs,
because they don't read the array until the end of the exposure, so  
saturation

can only be determined after the array has been read.


Couldn't you use dedicated photosensors, spread between the normal ones,  
that do allow for continuous reading? The fun in IC's is intergrating  
functions, isn't it?


And, if you make 200.000 of 'em you could make a MLU-live preview as well  
;-)

--
Regards, Lucas

Re: Bounce flash AF280T

[Vic Mortelmans]

Hello,

I first used the flash on the ES, so there I only could do auto mode. I 
also have a Super A, which allows TTL. I'll try that next time!


Groeten,

Vic

Bob Sullivan wrote:

Vic,
I don't remember what you are shooting with.
You can use TTL flash on the AF280 with a Super Program or LX or PZ-1...
That makes it all simple.  Set the aperture to f4 or f2.8 and fire
away.  TTL will fix it all for you.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/18/05, Vic Mortelmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello Don,

Thanks! Clarifies already a lot.

When in auto red mode and using ISO200 film, the flash says to use f/5.6
aperture. These settings, when using the flash in manual mode (=maximum
power?), would give a reach of 7m (24ft). That's not quite a lot,
considering all light-loss factors that you mention before, which
explains why I couldn't get proper exposure for bounce flash in auto
mode (even if it is not optimally "formed"---which I will certainly try
out).

Basically, the conclusion seems that the flash is (even theoretically)
not powerful enough for bounce flash in auto mode (at f/5.6,ISO200).
Using another film is no solution, as the flash compensates f-value for
ISO-value.

Something I could try is to switch to TTL-mode, so I can set the
aperture to whatever I want (f/2 e.g.) and use more sensitive film. This
will stretch my bouncing-range significantly, I'd imagine.

Does this reasoning sound sane?


Groeten,

Vic



Don Sanderson wrote:


Hi Vic,

There are a few things to remember when using bounce
flash:
1.) A ceiling, even a white one, diffuses and absorbs
a lot of light. Losing 1-3 stops of light isn't
uncommon.
2.) When bouncing, the distance from flash to subject
increases dramatically, it becomes the distance from
flash to ceiling plus from ceiling to subject. Since
light decreases in proportion to the _square_ of the
distance, doubling the distance decreases the light
to 1/4.
3.) When bouncing, the flash should be aimed about 1/2
way to the subject, aiming straight up puts most of
the light on you, not the subject. This is most
evident when the ceiling is low. Think of bouncing a
rubber ball off the ceiling and hitting the subject.

Also, if this is a flash that has not been used for
a while it has probably lost a good bit of its power.
This can be remedied by "forming" the capacitor in
the flash.
To do this let the flash charge up for several minutes
and then fire it in manual to get a full discharge.
Repeat this 10-20 times, this should bring the
capacitor back to near full efficiency.

The 280t is a very good flash, it is still a _current
model_, pretty impressive in this day and age!

HTH
Don




-Original Message-
From: Vic Mortelmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:57 AM
To: pentax epostlijst
Subject: Bounce flash AF280T


Hello,

I recently bought a used Pentax AF280T, with auto and TTL features. This
flash should be capable for being used for bounce flash, isn't it?

When I use the 'test' button, I only get the green light when aiming the
flashlight directly to the subject. Even in a room with a low, white
ceiling, I couln't get the green light when aiming the flashlight to the
ceiling (completely vertical, or at an angle slightly towards the
subject). The flash was in auto-mode. I tried both green and red mode.

What does this mean? I had the impression that this flash is quite
powerful, even to today's standards? What's the use of combining
swiveling flashhead and auto/TTL measuring features if they won't work
together?

Not wanting to use direct flash, I ended up opening two stops above the
flash-indicated setting, hoping this will give me acceptable exposure...
(results to be expected still).

Slightly disappointed greetings, but with remaining hope that someone of
you will let mee see the light...

Groeten,

Vic

FA: Sigma 2 Macro Zoom Lens Kit

[Jay Taylor]

PDML'ers,
A shameless plug for for my eBay auction.  A fairly good deal for entry  
level lens set.  Just clearing out stuff I don't use. Just bought these  
in March and they really are not bad for the money.  I've only shot  
twenty to to thirty images on each (if that much). I'm just getting  
spoiled on Pentax FA quality.

Thanks for looking.

Jay T

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sigma-2-Macro-Lens-Set-28-80mm-f3-5-5-6-70 
-300mm_W0QQitemZ7574282484QQcategoryZ48558QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Re: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/20/2005 9:14:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Tom, just let me mention this, in Hebrew "pita" (pronounced like peetah) 
means pocket bread...

Boris
==
Sure, but the capitalized version means something else.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: Semi-OT (but photography): Some Family History

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/20/2005 10:52:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The other thing we have been working on is a definitive family tree, and 
I've put together a basic database showing who belongs to who - nothing 
fancy, just parent, dates of birth and death, spouse etc.  That sort of 
structure allows me to search through branches fairly easily.
Must keep it updated - I'm finding relatives I'd forgotten all about!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
==
Hmmm. I am lucky on that, a remote cousin of Mom's actually wrote a book 
(self-published) on some family history. Sort of not Mom's family, but more 
like 
her great aunt's family. But because of that and helping him she got into doing 
her own family history. And some aunts on my father's side had done some of 
their family. 

So if I dig through everything I could construct a family tree on both sides. 
Because most of it's there -- just scattered about.

Maybe I should forget the collage idea, and just put together an album with 
family trees in front and reprints of photos throughout. Maybe get fancy and 
put them in oval fake frame with borders, two per page, something like that. 
And 
make copies -- several albums. Keep the original photos separate. 

Whoa, major project. But I think it might be worth it. Got photos of great 
greats on both sides and various perambulations from there on down. When people 
died, most relatives sent stuff onto Mom, which is why she accumulated so much.

Kids don't care about this when they are young usually, but my nephews will 
hit their 50's and 60's someday.

Cool you could do that, Joe. Good to get the info from the horses mouth when 
one still can. :-) My mom's memory is shot now, but she did do this in the 
past for herself and others and I can use her notes. Almost as good. 

Later, Marnie 

Re: OTS Metering?

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Charles,

I have pretty good luck at weddings using an AF400T on the *istD with
a Lumiquest Softbox.  I set it to TTL and ISO 400 - I usually have to
adjust camera compensation down a stop or two and then it works pretty
well.  I haven't tried my AF280T that way, but I would expect it to
work about the same.

I think the two best choices are an older Pentax flash AF280T or
AF400T in TTL with compensation or any flash that can be set for Auto
Flash.

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 8:59:47 PM, you wrote:

CR> On Dec 20, 2005, at 17:50, Bruce Dayton wrote:

>> Pre-flash metering really has problems when I am doing wedding and
>> portrait work.  When you get a blinker, they really tend to blink
>> right after the pre-flash causing many shots of eyes not fully open.
>> While it technically works well, people don't handle it very well.  A
>> very mixed bag in my opinion.
>>

CR> This is my biggest gripe with the Sigma EF 500 DG Super (and perhaps
CR> many other flashes): - I wish I could switch it to "plain old TTL".
CR> My daughter is a "blinker" and it's ruined many an otherwise-great
CR> photo opportunity with her.

CR> Is there an otherwise-intelligent flash out there with such an option
CR> available?  Or is it time to pull out the old "automatic" Vivitar and
CR> play it old-school with manual F-stops and shutter speeds and letting
CR> the flash alone determine exposure?

CR>   -Charles

CR> --
CR> Charles Robinson
CR> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CR> Minneapolis, MN
CR> http://charles.robinsontwins.org

Re: Semi-OT (but photography): Some Family History

[John Coyle]

Marnie, my mother and I have started on the same sort of project.  She has 
gone through all the old albums and marked up who is who, and when I was in 
the UK recently a cousin pulled out another set of albums in which my 
mother's sister had done the same thing!  The photos go back to about 1875, 
and there is no way that anyone younger than my ma could identify some of 
the people in them.
The other thing we have been working on is a definitive family tree, and 
I've put together a basic database showing who belongs to who - nothing 
fancy, just parent, dates of birth and death, spouse etc.  That sort of 
structure allows me to search through branches fairly easily.

Must keep it updated - I'm finding relatives I'd forgotten all about!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Semi-OT (but photography): Some Family History


I have a stack of old family photos, and I keep thinking I should get them
scanned, fix them up (some are rather aged) and make a collage of them or
something.

Shame for them just to keep deteriorating. And some people (my nephews, 
say)
might not know who they are all are (I could make some notes on the 
back -- 
attach a sheet). I have them of ancestors on my mother's side and on my 
father's
side. Since Mom, at 91, has outlived most of her and my father's 
relatives,

she has ended up with a lot of pictures.

Preserving family photographic history is more important than most think.
Usually negatives are not saved or were not available in the first place 
if they

were studio portraits.

Marnie aka Doe

RE: Photokina!

[Jens Bladt]

Pentax has a habit of announcing new stuff years before its available - if
it will be at all.
So, perhaps there's no reason to wait getting whats available now.
Regards

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. december 2005 15:50
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Photokina!


With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea to
wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax has up
its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company might
introduce?

DG

e

RE: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?

[Trevor Bailey]

G'day Collin.
Mate, For the *ist DS, I like No.1 and No.8

The SMC F 35-135 is a very versatile lens if you don't mind the poor
close focus.

Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
Grafton.
Australia 

-Original Message-
From: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2005 9:54 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?


I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
(When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall
preference

1. 28-105 f/4.0-5.6 FA (p)
2. 28-105 mm f/4-5.6 FA (New )
3. 28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 (Newer)
4. 28-135 mm f/4.0 A
5. 35-105 mm f/3.5 A
6. 35-105 mm f/4.0-5.6 F
7. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 A
8. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 F

Or is there a wider lens that you'd use for something like this?
Something faster than the kit 18-55?

Collin




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Re: Medical Interlude

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Cotty,

Hope all goes well and he gets back to full speed quickly!

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 3:18:59 AM, you wrote:

C> Hi team,

C> Some of you have met my lad Stefan, so thought you would like to know
C> that he was rushed into hospital yesterday with suspected appendicitis.
C> He had an uncomfortable night under observation and this morning it's
C> looking more and more like just a severe abdominal infection. You know
C> when you get swollen glands in your neck with a cold sometimes? Well
C> apparently the ones in your belly/groin can do the same and cause acute
C> pain similar to appendicitis. Fortunately, his pain has not progressed
C> to the excruciating levels that indicates appendicitis, so with a bit of
C> luck he might be out this evening.

C> I'm sat at the bedside while Alma and Stef play Rummikub and what to do
C> but peruse the couple of hundred emails from the list !




C> Cheers,
C>   Cotty


C> ___/\__
C> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
C> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
C> _

Re: OT: Photoshop B&W Converson Tones

[Powell Hargrave]

standard RGB 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB_color_space


>> The 's' in sRGB stands for 'small', not 'standard', referring to  
>> the small gamut colorspace.
>
>I've also seen it referred to as "screen".  The gamut of sRGB was  
>deliberately specified to match the phosphors used in the majority of  
>computer monitors.  Nevermind the fact that working colour spaces are  
>meant to be device-independent and should ideally encompass the  
>limitations of the entire workflow.
>
>I can think of another suitable "s" word if you're interested...
>
>- Dave
>

Re: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?

[Vic MacBournie]

Hi Don: I have both #1 and #5. Both are exceptionally good lenses. The 
autofocus powerzoom is a very solid lens for a lens of that vintage. I 
have found it to be an exceptional lens and the one that is most often 
on my camera MZS istD. I use the 35-105 manual focus often as my main 
lens with the LX, but I often enjoy using it on the MZs and the istd. 
With it's A setting, there is not much you give up on. Both are solid, 
heavy lenses, but I would much prefer a heavy lens in most cases than a 
flimsy light one.

Vic
On 20-Dec-05, at 6:33 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:


I have experience with 3 of those.

#4 was an outstanding lens but much too large and heavy for my tastes.

#2 I own with both the Tamron and Promaster labels. It is a small, 
light

and sharp lens with very rapid AF response. I imagine the Pentax
labelled one is as good or perhaps better with SMC. AFAIK they are all
the same lens, the Tamron and Promaster certainly are. The Promaster
can be had brand new for $65.00 on eekBay.

#5 is a lens I am always amazed by. It is the sharpest, most contrasty
zoom I have ever seen. I can't bring myself to part with mine.
100% recommended if MF is OK. It also works perfectly with the F1.7x
AF converter, if you can find one. ;-)

Don


-Original Message-
From: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:54 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?


I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
(When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall 
preference


1. 28-105 f/4.0-5.6 FA (p)
2. 28-105 mm f/4-5.6 FA (New )
3. 28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 (Newer)
4. 28-135 mm f/4.0 A
5. 35-105 mm f/3.5 A
6. 35-105 mm f/4.0-5.6 F
7. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 A
8. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 F

Or is there a wider lens that you'd use for something like this?
Something faster than the kit 18-55?

Collin

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" 
Subject: Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!





Doug Brewer has offered me money *not* to post, but I know he's just
jealous of my rapier-like wit...


Thats a compliment. I don't think Doug suffers foils in silence.

William Robb

Re: First PESO in a long while...

[Ann Sanfedele]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
> frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm
> >
> >I'm not a big fan of those partially desaturated photos.  I prefer
> >either all colour, or all monochrome.  So, I must tell you, I'm going
> >into this with something of a prejudiced view.
> >
> >That being said, the composition and subject-matter is quite lovely,
> >and of course, technically, it's more than well done.
> 
> Hey, you came through for me Frank! I don't like these "black and white
> with part of the image in color" photos either. The busy background that
> some people mentioned doesn't bother me, but the artificiality of the
> image as a whole does. I did it kind of an experiment and the couple who
> biked France with us loved it. And I've sold a few of them so I'm going
> with the flow.
> 
> Art is nice but selling prints is nice, too!
> 
> 
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com

I"m glad Frank posted first, I didn't want to hurt
your feelings :)
and I was gonna make another wise ass comment re
Ken's comment that
the background was a bit busy -- "You shudda seen
it in color!"

Great that you sold 'em though - a nice technical
tour-de-force...
but a bit too artsy fartsy for me - unlike most of
you things!

ann

Re: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Ann Sanfedele]

Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> > Tom C. (a lot easier to be a PITA online than in person) :-)
> 
> Tom, just let me mention this, in Hebrew "pita" (pronounced like peetah)
> means pocket bread...
> 
> Boris

as it does here, as well, Boris  - actually

and regardless of the definition, it is certainly
easier to be one on line :)

ann

Re: OTS Metering?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Robinson"

Subject: Re: OTS Metering?




Is there an otherwise-intelligent flash out there with such an option 
available?  Or is it time to pull out the old "automatic" Vivitar and 
play it old-school with manual F-stops and shutter speeds and letting  the 
flash alone determine exposure?


I've gone back to plain autoflash with the istD. I don't use portable flash 
often enough to be bothered with buying a more modern one, and my Metz 
60CT-2 is accurate to within 1/10 of a stop over a useful range of within 6 
feet to around 40 feet.

I don't find setting the camera manually to be a chore.

William Robb 

Re: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


Tom C. (a lot easier to be a PITA online than in person) :-)


Tom, just let me mention this, in Hebrew "pita" (pronounced like peetah) 
means pocket bread...


Boris

Re: Medical Interlude - Resolution

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


Good news: it's not appendicitis, rather a nasty viral infection of the
abdominal glands with symptoms much like appendicitis. Stefan improved
markedly this afternoon and the surgeon kicked him out. I think it was
when he was spotted using a tatty old teddy bear as an ad-hoc football
in the corridor that the decision may have been taken ;-)


Like I said... ;-) Three times and still my appendix (?) is inside my 
belly ;-).


Boris

Re: Curious about zoom lens length.

[Charles Robinson]

On Dec 20, 2005, at 22:15, David Mann wrote:


I used to have a 35-70 zoom that was physically shortest somewhere  
in-between, close to one of the ends.  As you went through the zoom  
range it'd get shorter, shorter, shorter then suddenly get longer  
again.  Actually I think my Espio 738 does the same.




The 18-55 "kit" lens is much the same.  Seems shortest at about...  
(picks camera up and gives it a squeeze) about 35mm!


 -Charles

--
Charles Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org

Re: OTS Metering?

[Charles Robinson]

On Dec 20, 2005, at 17:50, Bruce Dayton wrote:


Pre-flash metering really has problems when I am doing wedding and
portrait work.  When you get a blinker, they really tend to blink
right after the pre-flash causing many shots of eyes not fully open.
While it technically works well, people don't handle it very well.  A
very mixed bag in my opinion.



This is my biggest gripe with the Sigma EF 500 DG Super (and perhaps  
many other flashes): - I wish I could switch it to "plain old TTL".   
My daughter is a "blinker" and it's ruined many an otherwise-great  
photo opportunity with her.


Is there an otherwise-intelligent flash out there with such an option  
available?  Or is it time to pull out the old "automatic" Vivitar and  
play it old-school with manual F-stops and shutter speeds and letting  
the flash alone determine exposure?


 -Charles

--
Charles Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org

Re: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Ann Sanfedele]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:21:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> But mostly...WOW!
> Don
> ===
> Cool. I was thinking of ordering it. Does that mean the PDF format is up to
> speed now?
> 
> Marnie aka Doe

Marnie, no, I haven't gotten the PDF back from Mr.
Lurker.  The CD has
all the jpgs in addition to a .png of the cover
and the doc file so the
pics can be viewed as a slide show or set up for a
screen saver.  The word file
can be used in word, too.

Btw I slapped the file of all the pictures on one
page up on cafepress, too,
just to see what happens... so there is a one
image 12month on one page calendar thingy and a
couple of prints/posters.  

ann

Re: Semi-OT (but photography): Some Family History

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/20/2005 2:46:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wow.  Great story, Joe.  That's a real family keepsake.

I'm glad that you have such a terrific memento of your mom.  It must
be very comforting.

cheers,
frank
=
What he said, Joe.

I have a stack of old family photos, and I keep thinking I should get them 
scanned, fix them up (some are rather aged) and make a collage of them or 
something.

Shame for them just to keep deteriorating. And some people (my nephews, say) 
might not know who they are all are (I could make some notes on the back -- 
attach a sheet). I have them of ancestors on my mother's side and on my 
father's 
side. Since Mom, at 91, has outlived most of her and my father's relatives, 
she has ended up with a lot of pictures.

Preserving family photographic history is more important than most think. 
Usually negatives are not saved or were not available in the first place if 
they 
were studio portraits.

Marnie aka Doe 

RE: Friday- Just in time for Christmas

[Powell Hargrave]

At 06:15 PM 20/12/2005 , you wrote:
>
>You don't sound very sorry Powell, you sounds very pleased ;-)
>Congrats! 
>May I ask how much you paid? I'm asking because I wonder what a reasonable
>offer might be if another one crosses my path. 

Well Vic asked $275 but I paid him considerably less.  Seems being a fellow
Canuck and living in a part of the world he likes helped.  Thank you Vic!
Just noticed KEH has one Excellent Plus rating at $286US .

It seems the Tokina ATX 100-300 AF version goes for around $450+

Powell

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[David Mann]

On Dec 21, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:


I suggest we raise some money and contract this company's services:

http://www.postonmyforum.com/


How about we start a PUFF - Pentax-Users Flame Fest - where we  
specify a monthly topic that's sure to stir up heated arguments and  
make us all hate each other.  Then someone posts a medium format  
kitty pic and we all calm down.


- Dave (that's another $0.35... who do I send my invoice to?)

Re: PAW - "Cave Stream"

[David Mann]

On Dec 21, 2005, at 2:56 PM, Tom C wrote:

I didn't care for the first one you showed us, but I quite like #'s  
210 and 105.  210 is kind of disorienting and I really like the  
composition of 105.  Being fascinated with caves in general, they  
make my mind race...


Thanks for commenting.  They are also my favourites from that  
collection.


I shot those in 1999 and I'd really like to go back and do a better  
job overall.  The landscape in that whole area is amazing.


- Dave

Re: OT: Photoshop B&W Converson Tones

[David Mann]

On Dec 21, 2005, at 9:10 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The 's' in sRGB stands for 'small', not 'standard', referring to  
the small gamut colorspace.


I've also seen it referred to as "screen".  The gamut of sRGB was  
deliberately specified to match the phosphors used in the majority of  
computer monitors.  Nevermind the fact that working colour spaces are  
meant to be device-independent and should ideally encompass the  
limitations of the entire workflow.


I can think of another suitable "s" word if you're interested...

- Dave

Re: OT: Photoshop B&W Converson Tones

[David Mann]

On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:12 AM, graywolf wrote:

Addendum to my previous post, Photoshop sould be smart enough to  
assume that an image without a profile is sRGB.


There's a setting that tells Photoshop what to do in that situation.

Mine is set to ask me which profile to assign.  This is handy because  
I open untagged files quite often.


- Dave

Re: Curious about zoom lens length.

[David Mann]

On Dec 21, 2005, at 2:29 AM, Don Sanderson wrote:


Maybe someone can enlighten me.
Some zoom lenses are physically longest at
their longest focal length, such as the FA24-90.
Others, like the FA28-70/4 AL are physically
shortest at their longest FL.


I used to have a 35-70 zoom that was physically shortest somewhere in- 
between, close to one of the ends.  As you went through the zoom  
range it'd get shorter, shorter, shorter then suddenly get longer  
again.  Actually I think my Espio 738 does the same.


- Dave

Re: PAW - "Poppy"

[David Mann]

On Dec 21, 2005, at 6:19 AM, Gaurav Aggarwal wrote:

Very nice. I like the different treatment of the oft-photographed  
subject.


Was there dew on the petals? If yes, then it might have looked good  
if it was

more obvious. Right now I am confused about what is there on the red
petals.


The stuff on the petals is pollen.  When I was sharpening the pic I  
deliberately left the petals quite soft because the yellow spots  
became too distracting for my liking.


The pic as a whole is quite soft and I applied quite a strong  
sharpening to the centre of the flower.  Maybe I missed the focal  
point slightly, or maybe it's because I used a 55mm f/1.8 somewhere  
near wide-open on a 2x teleconverter.


I printed it this morning and I'm surprised at how well the printer  
coped with such a strong red.  According to Photoshop some parts of  
it are out of gamut.


Thanks for commenting.

- Dave

Re: First PESO in a long while...

[David Mann]

On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:


http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm


I still can't get onto your website... maybe your hosting provider  
has black-holed my ISP or something.  It works fine from a unix shell  
account I have in the USA but it's a bit difficult to view pics that  
way.


- Dave

Re: Pentax 645

[David Mann]

On Dec 20, 2005, at 6:28 PM, William Robb wrote:

I'll have to see if I can dig out my old tripod follies test from a  
few years back.


Please do, I'd love to see some real world results.  Especially as  
I'm too lazy to do my own testing ;)


- Dave

Re: OT: Photoshop B&W Converson Tones

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/20/2005 2:05:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
PS I have set the system to prompt me for a CS selection if no CS is embedded.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
=
How is that done?

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: AA bis

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/20/2005 6:40:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Moments of delirious personal satisfaction are the engines of effort.

Jack
=
MARK!

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Eactivist]

Oh, it was a joke.

D'oh!

Marnie aka Doe ;-) Now you know where my nickname comes from.

Re: Medical Interlude - Resolution

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/20/2005 3:09:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Once again, thanks for all your concerns. It once again illustrates what
a marvellous community of people there are here from across the world. I
am indebted to you all.




Cheers,
  Cotty

Cool, Cotty, glad to hear it. I was worried it still might be serious even 
though it wasn't appendicitis. Never heard of what he has, but glad he is on 
the 
mend and is home in time for Xmas. Imagine he is too!

Thanks for the update.

Marnie 

Re: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:21:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But mostly...WOW!
Don
===
Cool. I was thinking of ordering it. Does that mean the PDF format is up to 
speed now?

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/20/2005 5:45:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I suggest we raise some money and contract this company's services:

http://www.postonmyforum.com/

:)
==
Frankly, I think the PDML is interesting enough. If one wants controversy one 
just needs to mention politics, Bush, abortion, gun control, beer, 
motorcycles, cars, whether Pentax is going to go belly up, and whether it will 
introduce 
any new cameras in the next nine months. :-)

I really dislike web page interfaces. A mailing list may not be optimal, I 
think a usenet group is optimal, but a web page forum can be really annoying. 
If 
one is still on dial-up, and I think many of us are, it's too slow. A mailing 
list works for all of us, regardless of our Net connection.

I liked the map, but that's about as far as I go for liking that sort of 
thing.

My .02 cents.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Paul Stenquist]

There was a feeble attempt last week, but he didn't bite. Maybe he's on 
vacation?? :-)

Paul
On Dec 20, 2005, at 9:53 PM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Juan Buhler" Subject: OT: Let's 
make the PDML more interesting!




I suggest we raise some money and contract this company's services:
http://www.postonmyforum.com/


Can't we just wake Bob?

William Robb

Re: Medical Interlude

[Ann Sanfedele]

Cotty wrote:
> 
> Hi team,
> 
> Some of you have met my lad Stefan, so thought you would like to know
> that he was rushed into hospital yesterday with suspected appendicitis.
> He had an uncomfortable night under observation and this morning it's
> looking more and more like just a severe abdominal infection. You know
> when you get swollen glands in your neck with a cold sometimes? Well
> apparently the ones in your belly/groin can do the same and cause acute
> pain similar to appendicitis. Fortunately, his pain has not progressed
> to the excruciating levels that indicates appendicitis, so with a bit of
> luck he might be out this evening.
> 
> I'm sat at the bedside while Alma and Stef play Rummikub and what to do
> but peruse the couple of hundred emails from the list !
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _

oooh, Cotty - the poor little guy --
You have to be extra nice to him at Christmas.

you house looks super too...

now I gotta get back to straightening mine!

ann

Re: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Ann Sanfedele]

I was gonna say 'but how do you really feel? being
the wiseass I am,
but greywolf already did something of the like
:):)

Don wrote me off list and I was thrilled he was
pleased - I JUST NOW
jumped onto PUG for a few minutes (damned be the
dishes in the sink, the
laundry, ebay, etc... ) and saw this.

all I can says is gosh and thanks for telling the
guys you like it.  Means
a lot.  Now how much was I supposed to make that
check out for??? :)

annsan who needed a boost and a PR guy too 




Don Sanderson wrote:
> 
> I received Ann's CD today:
> (http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html)
> and have just a few words about it.
> 
> Beautiful
> Awe-Inspiring
> Amusing
> Inspirational
> Amazing
> Thought Provoking
> Whimsical
> Enlightening
> Motivational
> Relaxing
> Gorgeous
> Serene
> Exciting
> Jaw Dropping
> Inspired
> Grand
> Powerful
> Delicate
> Insightful
> Humorous
> Broad Reaching
> Bright
> Colorful
> Somber
> (100 others here)
> 
> But mostly...WOW!
> Don

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[cbwaters]

Oh that's rich...really funny there Loveman...

;)

Cory
had that film thing happen today where you just keep shooting past the magic 
number of 24 and wonder what's going on only to find after looking at the 
box that it's a 36 roll and now you've wasted three or four frames because 
you thought it was the end of the roll...


- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless"

On 12/20/05, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

There's a market for lint?

Oh, yeah, man.  I've got a lint ball that's got to be worth at least
$20.  Send me a black MX and it's yours!

 

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Scott Loveless]

Better yet, we should make sure the list guy knows who they are. 
Maybe we could con him into sending at least five copies of everything
to each of them!

On 12/20/05, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ha, that would be great!
>
> Imagine we hire these guys, share the list of their names among us,
> and force them to participate in some big flame wars...
>
> Too funny.
>
> :)
>
> j  (I know my use of "we" is not too fair given how sporadically I
> post, but hey)
>

--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Mark Roberts]

"Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Do you mean to say YOU'RE NOT getting paid to post on this list?  :-)

Doug Brewer has offered me money *not* to post, but I know he's just
jealous of my rapier-like wit...
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Juan Buhler" 
Subject: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!




I suggest we raise some money and contract this company's services:

http://www.postonmyforum.com/


Can't we just wake Bob?

William Robb

Re: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Don Sanderson" 
Subject: RE: AnnSan's Photo Calendar






Tom C. (a lot easier to be a PITA online than in person) :-)


I know, I love that part! ;-)


Evidently, you haven't met Tom.
WW

Re: OTS Metering?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Maas"

Subject: Re: OTS Metering?



The Nikon F3, Canon New F1 and several Olympus OM models all do TTL-OTF 
ambient metering. The unique feature of the LX is that it does so down 
to -6.5EV, a range which is unheard of.


Don't know which F3 model you had. Mine metered off the screen, and exposure 
was locked in when the shutter was pushed. The LX will adjust the exposure 
to correct changes in light intensity *during* the exposure.

I don't know much about F1s and Olys.

William Robb 

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Scott Loveless]

On 12/20/05, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a market for lint?
 Oh, yeah, man.  I've got a lint ball that's got to be worth at least
$20.  Send me a black MX and it's yours!



--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[cbwaters]

There's a market for lint?
What about dog hair?  I've got LOTS of that about.  I've been just sucking 
it up with the vacuum...



- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless"



What makes you think I have $35?  Unlike Tom, I don't get paid to
post.  Currently I can contribute some Chapstick, a pocket knife, 8
cents, and some blue jean lint.  What's all that worth?  About 8
cents?

On 12/20/05, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

then by all means, have at it my friend...
CW
- Original Message -
From: "Scott Loveless"

> It would be worth the $35 just to see them go down in flames.
>





--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman



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Re: PESO - Six of one, half a dozen of another

[Dave Brooks]

On 12/19/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I found it almost comical how these big birds were seemingly herding
> around these little birds.  Almost like they were taking them out for
> a walk.
>
> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
> ISO 200, 1/1000 sec @ f/8.0, Manual mode, Center weighted metering
> Converted from Raw using Capture One LE
> Cropped for presentation
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_2416a.htm
>
> Comments welcome 


Lovely shot Bruce. Your title is bang on.

Dave

David J Brooks
Equine Photography in York Region
www.caughtinmotion.com
Pentax istD, Nikon D2H(soon to be D2X)

Collins zoom search

[Dave Brooks]

Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 2:54:13 PM, you wrote:

CRB> I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
CRB> (When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
CRB> a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
CRB> http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
CRB> http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
CRB> Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall preference

CRB> 1. 28-105 f/4.0-5.6 FA (p)
CRB> 2. 28-105 mm f/4-5.6 FA (New )
CRB> 3. 28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 (Newer)
CRB> 4. 28-135 mm f/4.0 A
CRB> 5. 35-105 mm f/3.5 A
CRB> 6. 35-105 mm f/4.0-5.6 F
CRB> 7. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 A
CRB> 8. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 F

CRB> Or is there a wider lens that you'd use for something like this?
CRB> Something faster than the kit 18-55?

CRB> Collin 

I only have experience with #1, and it is a wonderful lens.

I misse dout on a #7 and heard it is great.

Dave
David J Brooks
Equine Photography in York Region
www.caughtinmotion.com
Pentax istD, Nikon D2H

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Scott Loveless]

What makes you think I have $35?  Unlike Tom, I don't get paid to
post.  Currently I can contribute some Chapstick, a pocket knife, 8
cents, and some blue jean lint.  What's all that worth?  About 8
cents?

On 12/20/05, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> then by all means, have at it my friend...
> CW
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Loveless"
>
> > It would be worth the $35 just to see them go down in flames.
> >
>
>


--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Re: Friday- Just in time for Christmas

[Mat Maessen]

Heh, I was lusting after it as well, but Christmas has wiped me out. :-(
Here's to hoping someone else has one to sell next year...

-Mat

On 12/20/05, Powell Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sheesh!  Gotta learn to type some day.
>
> "It" is mine.
>
> Powell :)
> >I just came back from work. You sent this at Friday, on I may be too late.
> >The Tokina 100-300 sounds like something I could give a good home.
> >If it's not sold yet: How much do you want for it?
>
>

Re: Medical Interlude

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Some of you have met my lad Stefan, so thought you would like to know
>that he was rushed into hospital yesterday with suspected appendicitis.
>He had an uncomfortable night under observation and this morning it's
>looking more and more like just a severe abdominal infection. You know
>when you get swollen glands in your neck with a cold sometimes? Well
>apparently the ones in your belly/groin can do the same and cause acute
>pain similar to appendicitis. Fortunately, his pain has not progressed
>to the excruciating levels that indicates appendicitis, so with a bit of
>luck he might be out this evening.
>
>I'm sat at the bedside while Alma and Stef play Rummikub and what to do
>but peruse the couple of hundred emails from the list !

If you need any biopsies done Lisa will pop right over ;-)
 
I expect he'll be up and planting electronic fart generators in people's
bedrooms again in no time!
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[cbwaters]

then by all means, have at it my friend...
CW
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless" 


It would be worth the $35 just to see them go down in flames.

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Juan Buhler]

Ha, that would be great!

Imagine we hire these guys, share the list of their names among us,
and force them to participate in some big flame wars...

Too funny.

:)

j  (I know my use of "we" is not too fair given how sporadically I
post, but hey)

On 12/20/05, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would be worth the $35 just to see them go down in flames.
>
> On 12/20/05, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I suggest we raise some money and contract this company's services:
> >
> > http://www.postonmyforum.com/
> >
> > :)
> >
> > --
> > Juan Buhler
> > http://www.jbuhler.com
> > photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Scott Loveless
> http://www.twosixteen.com
>
> --
> "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
>
>


--
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com

RE: Friday- Just in time for Christmas

[Tim Øsleby]

You don't sound very sorry Powell, you sounds very pleased ;-)
Congrats! 
May I ask how much you paid? I'm asking because I wonder what a reasonable
offer might be if another one crosses my path. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Powell Hargrave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21. desember 2005 00:16
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: Friday- Just in time for Christmas
> 
> Sorry Tim.
> 
> I is mine.  Mine!  ALL MINE!  And you can't have it.
> 
> Powell :)
> 
> 
> >I just came back from work. You sent this at Friday, on I may be too
> late.
> >The Tokina 100-300 sounds like something I could give a good home.
> >If it's not sold yet: How much do you want for it?
> 

Re: PAW - "Cave Stream"

[Tom C]

Dave,

I didn't care for the first one you showed us, but I quite like #'s 210 and 
105.  210 is kind of disorienting and I really like the composition of 105.  
Being fascinated with caves in general, they make my mind race...


Tom C.



BTW I processed the other shots last night and put up a small gallery:
http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/galleries/view.php?g=28

Now I want to go back and get some better ones.

Re: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?

[Paul Stenquist]

I almost always use the DA 16-45/4 for this type of situation. It's a 
very nice lens. If there's going to be enough light to shoot without 
flash, I'll sometimes use the FA 35/2. The prime is a compromise on 
focal length, but I can work around that at most events.


On Dec 20, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:


I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
(When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall 
preference


1. 28-105 f/4.0-5.6 FA (p)
2. 28-105 mm f/4-5.6 FA (New )
3. 28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 (Newer)
4. 28-135 mm f/4.0 A
5. 35-105 mm f/3.5 A
6. 35-105 mm f/4.0-5.6 F
7. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 A
8. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 F

Or is there a wider lens that you'd use for something like this?
Something faster than the kit 18-55?

Collin

Re: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Scott Loveless]

It would be worth the $35 just to see them go down in flames.

On 12/20/05, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I suggest we raise some money and contract this company's services:
>
> http://www.postonmyforum.com/
>
> :)
>
> --
> Juan Buhler
> http://www.jbuhler.com
> photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
>
>


--
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http://www.twosixteen.com

--
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RE: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Tom C]

Do you mean to say YOU'RE NOT getting paid to post on this list?  :-)

Tom C.





From: Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:43:25 -0800

I suggest we raise some money and contract this company's services:

http://www.postonmyforum.com/

:)

--
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com

OT: Let's make the PDML more interesting!

[Juan Buhler]

I suggest we raise some money and contract this company's services:

http://www.postonmyforum.com/

:)

--
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com

Re: Medical Interlude - Resolution

[John Coyle]

Glad it worked out well Cotty - I wouldn't wish appendicitis on anyone!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:07 AM
Subject: Medical Interlude - Resolution



Thanks for everyone's concern - it was overwhelming to be able to read
out your responses to the young man as he lay in bed, although I'm
surprised he heard me as i was competing with the cartoon network and re-
runs of Friends on the pull-down LCD TV - he is very thankful, as I am.

Good news: it's not appendicitis, rather a nasty viral infection of the
abdominal glands with symptoms much like appendicitis. Stefan improved
markedly this afternoon and the surgeon kicked him out. I think it was
when he was spotted using a tatty old teddy bear as an ad-hoc football
in the corridor that the decision may have been taken ;-)

We left at 8pm and he is back home now fast asleep in his bed, still
with some discomfort but nowhere near the levels I was half-expecting
him to reach this morning if it had been his appendix. As many have
pointed out, the pain is apparently excruciating and in some ways the
doctors expect one to breach this pain level as it provides good ground
for diagnosing appendicitis. Not a bad method - it works. Stefan didn't
reach the pain level. Quite the contrary: he improved, hence no
operation necessary - always a good thing.

Naturally I snapped him in his hospital bed doubtless he expects it to
appear on the web in due course ;-)

Once again, thanks for all your concerns. It once again illustrates what
a marvellous community of people there are here from across the world. I
am indebted to you all.




Cheers,
 Cotty


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Re: Bounce flash AF280T

[Bob Sullivan]

Vic,
I don't remember what you are shooting with.
You can use TTL flash on the AF280 with a Super Program or LX or PZ-1...
That makes it all simple.  Set the aperture to f4 or f2.8 and fire
away.  TTL will fix it all for you.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/18/05, Vic Mortelmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Don,
>
> Thanks! Clarifies already a lot.
>
> When in auto red mode and using ISO200 film, the flash says to use f/5.6
> aperture. These settings, when using the flash in manual mode (=maximum
> power?), would give a reach of 7m (24ft). That's not quite a lot,
> considering all light-loss factors that you mention before, which
> explains why I couldn't get proper exposure for bounce flash in auto
> mode (even if it is not optimally "formed"---which I will certainly try
> out).
>
> Basically, the conclusion seems that the flash is (even theoretically)
> not powerful enough for bounce flash in auto mode (at f/5.6,ISO200).
> Using another film is no solution, as the flash compensates f-value for
> ISO-value.
>
> Something I could try is to switch to TTL-mode, so I can set the
> aperture to whatever I want (f/2 e.g.) and use more sensitive film. This
> will stretch my bouncing-range significantly, I'd imagine.
>
> Does this reasoning sound sane?
>
>
> Groeten,
>
> Vic
>
>
>
> Don Sanderson wrote:
> > Hi Vic,
> >
> > There are a few things to remember when using bounce
> > flash:
> > 1.) A ceiling, even a white one, diffuses and absorbs
> > a lot of light. Losing 1-3 stops of light isn't
> > uncommon.
> > 2.) When bouncing, the distance from flash to subject
> > increases dramatically, it becomes the distance from
> > flash to ceiling plus from ceiling to subject. Since
> > light decreases in proportion to the _square_ of the
> > distance, doubling the distance decreases the light
> > to 1/4.
> > 3.) When bouncing, the flash should be aimed about 1/2
> > way to the subject, aiming straight up puts most of
> > the light on you, not the subject. This is most
> > evident when the ceiling is low. Think of bouncing a
> > rubber ball off the ceiling and hitting the subject.
> >
> > Also, if this is a flash that has not been used for
> > a while it has probably lost a good bit of its power.
> > This can be remedied by "forming" the capacitor in
> > the flash.
> > To do this let the flash charge up for several minutes
> > and then fire it in manual to get a full discharge.
> > Repeat this 10-20 times, this should bring the
> > capacitor back to near full efficiency.
> >
> > The 280t is a very good flash, it is still a _current
> > model_, pretty impressive in this day and age!
> >
> > HTH
> > Don
> >
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Vic Mortelmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:57 AM
> >>To: pentax epostlijst
> >>Subject: Bounce flash AF280T
> >>
> >>
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>I recently bought a used Pentax AF280T, with auto and TTL features. This
> >>flash should be capable for being used for bounce flash, isn't it?
> >>
> >>When I use the 'test' button, I only get the green light when aiming the
> >>flashlight directly to the subject. Even in a room with a low, white
> >>ceiling, I couln't get the green light when aiming the flashlight to the
> >>ceiling (completely vertical, or at an angle slightly towards the
> >>subject). The flash was in auto-mode. I tried both green and red mode.
> >>
> >>What does this mean? I had the impression that this flash is quite
> >>powerful, even to today's standards? What's the use of combining
> >>swiveling flashhead and auto/TTL measuring features if they won't work
> >>together?
> >>
> >>Not wanting to use direct flash, I ended up opening two stops above the
> >>flash-indicated setting, hoping this will give me acceptable exposure...
> >>(results to be expected still).
> >>
> >>Slightly disappointed greetings, but with remaining hope that someone of
> >>you will let mee see the light...
> >>
> >>Groeten,
> >>
> >>Vic
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

RE: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Tom C]

From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My only comment on that is that I will be _buying_ more
copies for friends.
Even though I own a very nice CD burner! ;-)


Good Man.

Tom C.

Re: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:


I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
(When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall  
preference


3. FA28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 AL IF (Newer)


I have this one. It's a fine lens ... lightweight, small, sharp, nice  
short focus throw. A very good choice for all around use on the DS.  
If I didn't already have this one, I'd likely go for the  
FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL ... It's a bit larger, more expensive, but nets a  
useful increase in field of view at the wide end and a bit better  
wide-open performance on the long end.


The other mid-range zoom I have that is something of a sleeper is the  
F35-70/3.5-4.5 Macro. Small and light, normal to portrait tele on the  
DS. A fine lens for the grand total of $40 from KEH.com.


Godfrey

Re: OTS Metering?

[Jack Davis]

My understanding was/is that the F1 does not have TTL flash capability.
May have been different in the case of the F1N(?)
When I was at an equipment cross-roads (prox 1980), it was between the
F1 and the LX. I went with the LX precisely because it offered TTL
flash. Grew to love the system for a lot of reasons.
This due to "Adam's" remarks below.

Jack


--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> William Robb wrote:
> 
> >
> > TTL flash metering, by definition, is taking reflected readings off
> 
> > the film/sensor.
> > OTOH, TTL flash as done on the istD has been less than accurate for
> 
> > me. Preflash measurement is more accurate, I am led to believe, but
> 
> > has the downside of slowing camera responsivness.
> > Accurate automatic flash has been the best compromise I have found.
> > Tim is confusing TTL flash measurement with the automatic exposure
> via 
> > continuous OTF light measurement, which is unique to the LX (at
> least 
> > I haven't heard of another camera that does it), and only works at 
> > speeds below flash sync, the further from sync speed, the better 
> > chance it has of working.
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> 
> 
> The Nikon F3, Canon New F1 and several Olympus OM models all do
> TTL-OTF 
> ambient metering. The unique feature of the LX is that it does so
> down 
> to -6.5EV, a range which is unheard of.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 


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Re: PESO x3 Why I still use film...

[cbwaters]

I missed the first post but Frank's right.  These are superb.

CW

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: PESO x3 Why I still use film...



On 12/16/05, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Resolution if I need it, tonality, and the soft unsharpness in the
out of focus areas.

http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=209002

http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=209653

http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=210072

Sorry, no Pentax in sight, only an old Bronica SQ-A with PS 180mm,
PS40mm and PS 180mm, respectively, and Ilford Delta 400:

Manual focus, manual film winding, manual exposure, no tripod, no
built in meter, etc. It´s a wonder I get any pictures at all .-)


Great stuff!  The first one, especially, like totally rocks, dude!  

Seriously great stuff, DagT

cheers,
frank (from one film guy to another)

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



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RE: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Don Sanderson]

Well..haven't really decided yet. ;-)

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:32 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: AnnSan's Photo Calendar
> 
> 
> But the question remains, did you like it?
> 
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> ---
> 
> 
> 
> Don Sanderson wrote:
> 
> >I received Ann's CD today:
> >(http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html)
> >and have just a few words about it.
> >
> >Beautiful
> >Awe-Inspiring
> >Amusing
> >Inspirational
> >Amazing
> >Thought Provoking
> >Whimsical
> >Enlightening
> >Motivational
> >Relaxing
> >Gorgeous
> >Serene
> >Exciting
> >Jaw Dropping
> >Inspired
> >Grand
> >Powerful
> >Delicate
> >Insightful
> >Humorous
> >Broad Reaching
> >Bright
> >Colorful
> >Somber
> >(100 others here)
> >
> >But mostly...WOW!
> >Don
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 

Re: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[graywolf]

But the question remains, did you like it?

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



Don Sanderson wrote:


I received Ann's CD today:
(http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html)
and have just a few words about it.

Beautiful
Awe-Inspiring
Amusing
Inspirational
Amazing
Thought Provoking
Whimsical
Enlightening
Motivational
Relaxing
Gorgeous
Serene
Exciting
Jaw Dropping
Inspired
Grand
Powerful
Delicate
Insightful
Humorous
Broad Reaching
Bright
Colorful
Somber
(100 others here)

But mostly...WOW!
Don


 

RE: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Don Sanderson]

Comments interspersed:

> -Original Message-
> From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:28 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: AnnSan's Photo Calendar
> 
> 
> Yeah, but is your browser color space aware and is your monitor 
> calibrated?

Using PS CS to view, and yes it is.

> 
> Tom C. (a lot easier to be a PITA online than in person) :-)

I know, I love that part! ;-)

> 
> Sounds like I need to get one.  And here, I'd lke to point out 
> for any that 
> don't believe in or respect intellectual copyright laws, is where 
> the rubber 
> meets the road! If you'd just put this up on Kazaa or some other 
> P2P site we 
> could all enjoy. :-(

My only comment on that is that I will be _buying_ more
copies for friends.
Even though I own a very nice CD burner! ;-)

> 
> Tom C. (getting off the soap box)

Don (Me too)
> 
> 
> >From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >To: "PDML" 
> >Subject: AnnSan's Photo Calendar
> >Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:19:27 -0600
> >
> >I received Ann's CD today:
> >(http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html)
> >and have just a few words about it.
> >
> >Beautiful
> >Awe-Inspiring
> >Amusing
> >Inspirational
> >Amazing
> >Thought Provoking
> >Whimsical
> >Enlightening
> >Motivational
> >Relaxing
> >Gorgeous
> >Serene
> >Exciting
> >Jaw Dropping
> >Inspired
> >Grand
> >Powerful
> >Delicate
> >Insightful
> >Humorous
> >Broad Reaching
> >Bright
> >Colorful
> >Somber
> >(100 others here)
> >
> >But mostly...WOW!
> >Don
> >
> 
> 

Re: OTS Metering?

[Adam Maas]

William Robb wrote:



TTL flash metering, by definition, is taking reflected readings off 
the film/sensor.
OTOH, TTL flash as done on the istD has been less than accurate for 
me. Preflash measurement is more accurate, I am led to believe, but 
has the downside of slowing camera responsivness.

Accurate automatic flash has been the best compromise I have found.
Tim is confusing TTL flash measurement with the automatic exposure via 
continuous OTF light measurement, which is unique to the LX (at least 
I haven't heard of another camera that does it), and only works at 
speeds below flash sync, the further from sync speed, the better 
chance it has of working.


William Robb




The Nikon F3, Canon New F1 and several Olympus OM models all do TTL-OTF 
ambient metering. The unique feature of the LX is that it does so down 
to -6.5EV, a range which is unheard of.


-Adam

RE: AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Tom C]

Yeah, but is your browser color space aware and is your monitor calibrated?

Tom C. (a lot easier to be a PITA online than in person) :-)

Sounds like I need to get one.  And here, I'd lke to point out for any that 
don't believe in or respect intellectual copyright laws, is where the rubber 
meets the road! If you'd just put this up on Kazaa or some other P2P site we 
could all enjoy. :-(


Tom C. (getting off the soap box)



From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: "PDML" 
Subject: AnnSan's Photo Calendar
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:19:27 -0600

I received Ann's CD today:
(http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html)
and have just a few words about it.

Beautiful
Awe-Inspiring
Amusing
Inspirational
Amazing
Thought Provoking
Whimsical
Enlightening
Motivational
Relaxing
Gorgeous
Serene
Exciting
Jaw Dropping
Inspired
Grand
Powerful
Delicate
Insightful
Humorous
Broad Reaching
Bright
Colorful
Somber
(100 others here)

But mostly...WOW!
Don

Re: Home Renovation web page

[graywolf]

Or about 3 times fuel cost. Sounds about right.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



mike wilson wrote:


graywolf wrote:

BTW, I had a chance to buy the real thing (the american made version 
from a P-51) once for $100 in the crate. I went back and looked at 
their specs, it sure don't produce 1/4 the horsepower of even the 
earliest ones. Some people just have too much money to spare.



Frictional losses, pumping efficiencies, etc, etc, etc.  It would take 
a lot of development to get into a reliable, powerful state.


You can still buy new Merlins.  A trifle more than $100.  In fact, 
probably cheaper to buy a flying Spitfire.  I enquired about a flight 
in a two seater for a recent birthday.  Running costs (i.e. before any 
profit is made) are about £1500/hour.  There's a museum in 
Lincolnshire that gives you 40minutes taxi in a Lancaster.  I think 
that's my limit.


mike




graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



mike wilson wrote:


Cotty wrote:


We're buying a house, and I'm keeping an online diary for friends and
relatives.







In case you get bored

http://dynamotive.netfirms.com/merlin/

Re: PESO - another in my cold bird series

[Ann Sanfedele]

Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
> Check out
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> All comments solicited
> 
> Yeah, nay, and/or otherwise
> 
> What would you do differently?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Kenneth Waller

what a cutie! --- nothing much to change here -
possibly a bit more contrast
between birdie and background...that is, lighten
the background a bit. 

There was a shot years ago in an audobon calendar
of a pine siskin with
a dollop of snow right on his head, I clipped it
and saved it but who knows
where it is... this reminds me of that.

I love your bird's expression.

ann

AnnSan's Photo Calendar

[Don Sanderson]

I received Ann's CD today:
(http://users.rcn.com/annsan/indexcalendar.html)
and have just a few words about it.

Beautiful
Awe-Inspiring
Amusing
Inspirational
Amazing
Thought Provoking
Whimsical
Enlightening
Motivational
Relaxing
Gorgeous
Serene
Exciting
Jaw Dropping
Inspired
Grand
Powerful
Delicate
Insightful
Humorous
Broad Reaching
Bright
Colorful
Somber
(100 others here)

But mostly...WOW!
Don

Re: Home Renovation web page

[mike wilson]

Bob W wrote:


There's an interesting exhibition about Spitfires in the Science Museum:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/exhibitions/spitfire/

When I was growing up on RAF bases the gate guardian was almost always a
Spitfire or a Meteor, or both. I seem to remember the CO at one of the camps
flying a Spitfire in, then having it disassembled and made safe to be parked
by the gate until it rotted.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 


Thanks for the info.  That might be worth a visit to the Smoke for.

I have a friend who was conscripted into the RAF in the early 1950's and 
was a rigger in Egypt.  When we pulled out, he was given responsibility 
to jack up nearly two dozen Spitfire airframes and then drop them onto 
trestles at the end of each wing, breaking the main spar.  He reckons it 
was the most unpleasant thing he's ever had to do.






-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 December 2005 23:12

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Home Renovation web page

graywolf wrote:


BTW, I had a chance to buy the real thing (the american 


made version 

from a P-51) once for $100 in the crate. I went back and looked at 
their specs, it sure don't produce 1/4 the horsepower of even the 
earliest ones. Some people just have too much money to spare.


Frictional losses, pumping efficiencies, etc, etc, etc.  It 
would take a lot of development to get into a reliable, 
powerful state.


You can still buy new Merlins.  A trifle more than $100.  In 
fact, probably cheaper to buy a flying Spitfire.  I enquired 
about a flight in a two seater for a recent birthday.  
Running costs (i.e. before any profit is made) are about 
£1500/hour.  There's a museum in Lincolnshire that gives you 
40minutes taxi in a Lancaster.  I think that's my limit.


mike



graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



mike wilson wrote:



Cotty wrote:


We're buying a house, and I'm keeping an online diary for friends 
and relatives.







In case you get bored

http://dynamotive.netfirms.com/merlin/

RE: Medical Interlude

[Simon King]

Hi Cotty
All the best to Stefan and you - I trust none of you got too rattled by
the experience.
I hope it make Christmas at home with your family all the more special.
Simon

PS - I had to look up what Rummikub was - is it all the craze in
England?



-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2005 7:19 PM
To: pentax list
Subject: Medical Interlude

Hi team,

Some of you have met my lad Stefan, so thought you would like to know
that he was rushed into hospital yesterday with suspected appendicitis.
He had an uncomfortable night under observation and this morning it's
looking more and more like just a severe abdominal infection. You know
when you get swollen glands in your neck with a cold sometimes? Well
apparently the ones in your belly/groin can do the same and cause acute
pain similar to appendicitis. Fortunately, his pain has not progressed
to the excruciating levels that indicates appendicitis, so with a bit of
luck he might be out this evening.

I'm sat at the bedside while Alma and Stef play Rummikub and what to do
but peruse the couple of hundred emails from the list !




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OTS Metering?

[Bruce Dayton]

Pre-flash metering really has problems when I am doing wedding and
portrait work.  When you get a blinker, they really tend to blink
right after the pre-flash causing many shots of eyes not fully open.
While it technically works well, people don't handle it very well.  A
very mixed bag in my opinion.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 3:21:01 PM, you wrote:

AM> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>>
>> On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:51 PM, Bob Shell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>>
 TTL flash metering is supported by the D (built-in flash when  using
 lenses that do not support P-TTL metering) and by the DS/DS2  when
 using a compatible dedicated external flash unit. Due to the  nature
 of TTL flash metering, it must be reading "off the film/ sensor" 
 since it is determining light levels dynamically at the  time of 
 exposure.
>>>
>>>
>>> None of the DSLR cameras use off the sensor metering.  This is due
>>> to problems with the reflectance characteristics of the sensors.
>>> They do TTL metering by measuring a preflash.
>>
>>
>> That's not correct, Bob. Pentax SLR cameras do P-TTL as the standard
>> mode, using an integrated ambient/pre-flash metering evaluation, but
>> they also do traditional TTL flash metering with no pre-flash (the
>> *ist D with the built-in flash, the *ist DS/DS2 with a compatible  
>> external flash).
>>
>> Godfrey

AM> I'm pretty sure they're doing something wierd for plain TTL flash 
AM> metering on the DSLR's. That would explain why it only seems to be
AM> accurate at ISO 400. It could be OTS of some sort, but it certainly
AM> doesn't work as well as pre-flash metering.

AM> 0Adam

Re: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Collin,

I don't expect many/any to have experience with all of them.  So much
of what can be offered will be second hand.  Of the listed ones, I
personally have/used #1, #4, #5.  They each have some positive and
negative issues.  #1 is rather slow, but a pretty good range and
optically good.  #4 has a good range and is faster.  The issues I have
with it are that it doesn't hold focus through the zoom range, making
a bit more difficult to focus at wider focal lengths and it is soft
wide open.  It needs to be stopped down to 5.6.  #5 is very good
optically and has a good zoom range - needs to be stopped down to 4.0.
It trades some width for length on focal range.  I still own both #4
and #5 and find them both useful for certain things.  If you are using
non-TTL flash, then the constant aperture of these two zooms are
important.  Everything else you listed is variable aperture.

You also did not list any third party choices - Tokina 28-80 ATX,
Tamron 28-75/2.8 DI and Sigma 24-70/2.8 EX.  Of these, I have used/own
the Tamron and find it to be quite good optically.  Bokeh is not
great, but a very usable lens.

My real go to lens is the A 35-105/3.5.

HTH,

Bruce


Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 2:54:13 PM, you wrote:

CRB> I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
CRB> (When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
CRB> a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
CRB> http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
CRB> http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
CRB> Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall preference

CRB> 1. 28-105 f/4.0-5.6 FA (p)
CRB> 2. 28-105 mm f/4-5.6 FA (New )
CRB> 3. 28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 (Newer)
CRB> 4. 28-135 mm f/4.0 A
CRB> 5. 35-105 mm f/3.5 A
CRB> 6. 35-105 mm f/4.0-5.6 F
CRB> 7. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 A
CRB> 8. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 F

CRB> Or is there a wider lens that you'd use for something like this?
CRB> Something faster than the kit 18-55?

CRB> Collin

Re: OTS Metering?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"

Subject: Re: OTS Metering?




On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Tim Sherburne wrote:


Are you sure they're not accomplishing the TTL metering another
way? AFAIK, the LX is the only Pentax body with "off-the-film"  metering, 
but

there are plenty of Pentax bodies with TTL flash metering  capabilities.


Well, they is no pre-flash, and they have read the light coming  through 
the lens at exposure time. The mirror is up, so you can't  read it off the 
focusing screen, and you can't read it on the way to  the sensor without 
whatever you're using to read it being in the way  of the sensor. 
Therefore, they have to be reading it as reflected off  the sensor.


TTL flash metering, by definition, is taking reflected readings off the 
film/sensor.
OTOH, TTL flash as done on the istD has been less than accurate for me. 
Preflash measurement is more accurate, I am led to believe, but has the 
downside of slowing camera responsivness.

Accurate automatic flash has been the best compromise I have found.
Tim is confusing TTL flash measurement with the automatic exposure via 
continuous OTF light measurement, which is unique to the LX (at least I 
haven't heard of another camera that does it), and only works at speeds 
below flash sync, the further from sync speed, the better chance it has of 
working.


William Robb

RE: Friday- Just in time for Christmas

[Powell Hargrave]

Sheesh!  Gotta learn to type some day.

"It" is mine. 

Powell :)


>I just came back from work. You sent this at Friday, on I may be too late.
>The Tokina 100-300 sounds like something I could give a good home. 
>If it's not sold yet: How much do you want for it? 

RE: Home Renovation web page

[Bob W]

There's an interesting exhibition about Spitfires in the Science Museum:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/exhibitions/spitfire/

When I was growing up on RAF bases the gate guardian was almost always a
Spitfire or a Meteor, or both. I seem to remember the CO at one of the camps
flying a Spitfire in, then having it disassembled and made safe to be parked
by the gate until it rotted.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 20 December 2005 23:12
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Home Renovation web page
> 
> graywolf wrote:
> 
> > BTW, I had a chance to buy the real thing (the american 
> made version 
> > from a P-51) once for $100 in the crate. I went back and looked at 
> > their specs, it sure don't produce 1/4 the horsepower of even the 
> > earliest ones. Some people just have too much money to spare.
> 
> Frictional losses, pumping efficiencies, etc, etc, etc.  It 
> would take a lot of development to get into a reliable, 
> powerful state.
> 
> You can still buy new Merlins.  A trifle more than $100.  In 
> fact, probably cheaper to buy a flying Spitfire.  I enquired 
> about a flight in a two seater for a recent birthday.  
> Running costs (i.e. before any profit is made) are about 
> £1500/hour.  There's a museum in Lincolnshire that gives you 
> 40minutes taxi in a Lancaster.  I think that's my limit.
> 
> mike
> > 
> > 
> > graywolf
> > http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
> > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> > ---
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > mike wilson wrote:
> > 
> >> Cotty wrote:
> >>
> >>> We're buying a house, and I'm keeping an online diary for friends 
> >>> and relatives.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In case you get bored
> >>
> >> http://dynamotive.netfirms.com/merlin/
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?

[Don Sanderson]

I have experience with 3 of those.

#4 was an outstanding lens but much too large and heavy for my tastes.

#2 I own with both the Tamron and Promaster labels. It is a small, light
and sharp lens with very rapid AF response. I imagine the Pentax
labelled one is as good or perhaps better with SMC. AFAIK they are all
the same lens, the Tamron and Promaster certainly are. The Promaster
can be had brand new for $65.00 on eekBay.

#5 is a lens I am always amazed by. It is the sharpest, most contrasty
zoom I have ever seen. I can't bring myself to part with mine.
100% recommended if MF is OK. It also works perfectly with the F1.7x
AF converter, if you can find one. ;-)

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:54 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?
> 
> 
> I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
> (When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
> a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
> http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
> http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
> Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall preference
> 
> 1. 28-105 f/4.0-5.6 FA (p)
> 2. 28-105 mm f/4-5.6 FA (New )
> 3. 28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 (Newer)
> 4. 28-135 mm f/4.0 A
> 5. 35-105 mm f/3.5 A
> 6. 35-105 mm f/4.0-5.6 F
> 7. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 A
> 8. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 F
> 
> Or is there a wider lens that you'd use for something like this?
> Something faster than the kit 18-55?
> 
> Collin
> 
> 
> 

Re: OTS Metering?

[Adam Maas]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:51 PM, Bob Shell wrote:



On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

TTL flash metering is supported by the D (built-in flash when  using 
lenses that do not support P-TTL metering) and by the DS/DS2  when 
using a compatible dedicated external flash unit. Due to the  nature 
of TTL flash metering, it must be reading "off the film/ sensor" 
since it is determining light levels dynamically at the  time of 
exposure.



None of the DSLR cameras use off the sensor metering.  This is due  
to problems with the reflectance characteristics of the sensors.   
They do TTL metering by measuring a preflash.



That's not correct, Bob. Pentax SLR cameras do P-TTL as the standard  
mode, using an integrated ambient/pre-flash metering evaluation, but  
they also do traditional TTL flash metering with no pre-flash (the  
*ist D with the built-in flash, the *ist DS/DS2 with a compatible  
external flash).


Godfrey


I'm pretty sure they're doing something wierd for plain TTL flash 
metering on the DSLR's. That would explain why it only seems to be 
accurate at ISO 400. It could be OTS of some sort, but it certainly 
doesn't work as well as pre-flash metering.


0Adam

Re: OTS Metering?

[Adam Maas]

The LX is the only pentax with OTF ambient metering, all TTL Pentax film 
bodies do TTL-OTF flash metering.


-Adam


Tim Sherburne wrote:


On 12/20/05 13:56, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 


On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:51 PM, Bob Shell wrote:
   


None of the DSLR cameras use off the sensor metering.  This is due
to problems with the reflectance characteristics of the sensors.
They do TTL metering by measuring a preflash.
 


That's not correct, Bob. Pentax SLR cameras do P-TTL as the standard
mode, using an integrated ambient/pre-flash metering evaluation, but
they also do traditional TTL flash metering with no pre-flash (the
*ist D with the built-in flash, the *ist DS/DS2 with a compatible
external flash).
   



Godfrey... Are you sure they're not accomplishing the TTL metering another
way? AFAIK, the LX is the only Pentax body with "off-the-film" metering, but
there are plenty of Pentax bodies with TTL flash metering capabilities.

Tim

 

Re: OTS Metering?

[Adam Maas]

The exception to this is the Fuji S2 Pro, which actually did OTS flash 
metering. They abandoned it for i-TTL support with the S3.


-Adam


Bob Shell wrote:



On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

TTL flash metering is supported by the D (built-in flash when using  
lenses that do not support P-TTL metering) and by the DS/DS2 when  
using a compatible dedicated external flash unit. Due to the nature  
of TTL flash metering, it must be reading "off the film/sensor"  
since it is determining light levels dynamically at the time of  
exposure.



None of the DSLR cameras use off the sensor metering.  This is due to  
problems with the reflectance characteristics of the sensors.  They  
do TTL metering by measuring a preflash.


Bob

RE: Friday- Just in time for Christmas

[Powell Hargrave]

Sorry Tim.

I is mine.  Mine!  ALL MINE!  And you can't have it.

Powell :)


>I just came back from work. You sent this at Friday, on I may be too late.
>The Tokina 100-300 sounds like something I could give a good home. 
>If it's not sold yet: How much do you want for it? 

Re: Home Renovation web page

[mike wilson]

graywolf wrote:

BTW, I had a chance to buy the real thing (the american made version 
from a P-51) once for $100 in the crate. I went back and looked at their 
specs, it sure don't produce 1/4 the horsepower of even the earliest 
ones. Some people just have too much money to spare.


Frictional losses, pumping efficiencies, etc, etc, etc.  It would take a 
lot of development to get into a reliable, powerful state.


You can still buy new Merlins.  A trifle more than $100.  In fact, 
probably cheaper to buy a flying Spitfire.  I enquired about a flight in 
a two seater for a recent birthday.  Running costs (i.e. before any 
profit is made) are about £1500/hour.  There's a museum in Lincolnshire 
that gives you 40minutes taxi in a Lancaster.  I think that's my limit.


mike



graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



mike wilson wrote:


Cotty wrote:


We're buying a house, and I'm keeping an online diary for friends and
relatives.






In case you get bored

http://dynamotive.netfirms.com/merlin/

Re: Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?

[Adam Maas]

None of the above, I prefer the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 XR Di. It's reasonably 
cheap (cheaper than the 24-90 AL), fast, contrasty and sharp.


-Adam


Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:


I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
(When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall preference

1. 28-105 f/4.0-5.6 FA (p)
2. 28-105 mm f/4-5.6 FA (New )
3. 28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 (Newer)
4. 28-135 mm f/4.0 A
5. 35-105 mm f/3.5 A
6. 35-105 mm f/4.0-5.6 F
7. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 A
8. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 F

Or is there a wider lens that you'd use for something like this?
Something faster than the kit 18-55?

Collin

Medical Interlude - Resolution

[Cotty]

Thanks for everyone's concern - it was overwhelming to be able to read
out your responses to the young man as he lay in bed, although I'm
surprised he heard me as i was competing with the cartoon network and re-
runs of Friends on the pull-down LCD TV - he is very thankful, as I am.

Good news: it's not appendicitis, rather a nasty viral infection of the
abdominal glands with symptoms much like appendicitis. Stefan improved
markedly this afternoon and the surgeon kicked him out. I think it was
when he was spotted using a tatty old teddy bear as an ad-hoc football
in the corridor that the decision may have been taken ;-)

We left at 8pm and he is back home now fast asleep in his bed, still
with some discomfort but nowhere near the levels I was half-expecting
him to reach this morning if it had been his appendix. As many have
pointed out, the pain is apparently excruciating and in some ways the
doctors expect one to breach this pain level as it provides good ground
for diagnosing appendicitis. Not a bad method - it works. Stefan didn't
reach the pain level. Quite the contrary: he improved, hence no
operation necessary - always a good thing.

Naturally I snapped him in his hospital bed doubtless he expects it to
appear on the web in due course ;-)

Once again, thanks for all your concerns. It once again illustrates what
a marvellous community of people there are here from across the world. I
am indebted to you all.




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: Home Renovation web page

[mike wilson]

Jostein wrote:


- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



In case you get bored

http://dynamotive.netfirms.com/merlin/



Wouldn't it require a 25% scale pilot? :-)

Jostein




Double scale in a motorcycle.. drool...

Re: Home Renovation web page

[graywolf]

BTW, I had a chance to buy the real thing (the american made version 
from a P-51) once for $100 in the crate. I went back and looked at their 
specs, it sure don't produce 1/4 the horsepower of even the earliest 
ones. Some people just have too much money to spare.



graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---



mike wilson wrote:


Cotty wrote:


We're buying a house, and I'm keeping an online diary for friends and
relatives.





In case you get bored

http://dynamotive.netfirms.com/merlin/

Which mid-range zoom do you prefer?

[Collin R Brendemuehl]

I'm looking for amid-range zoom.  Something for small-event use.
(When I shot a Sunday School program and a ladies Christmas Tea
a few weeks ago, changing lenses was a hassle.
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/SSProg12112005/SSProg121105.html
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/Tea120205/Tea120205.html  )
Please rate them as to feel, optical quality, and your overall preference

1. 28-105 f/4.0-5.6 FA (p)
2. 28-105 mm f/4-5.6 FA (New )
3. 28-105 mm f/3.2-4.5 (Newer)
4. 28-135 mm f/4.0 A
5. 35-105 mm f/3.5 A
6. 35-105 mm f/4.0-5.6 F
7. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 A
8. 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 F

Or is there a wider lens that you'd use for something like this?
Something faster than the kit 18-55?

Collin

Re: OTS Metering?

[Dario Bonazza]

According to my limited experience with the DS, old flash units (AF400FTZ 
and AF500FTZ) doing TTL perform a lot better than those same flash units 
trying (and usually not succeeding) doing TTL with the D.


Dario

Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote
I have read it here before that the Digis have a problem with TTL because 
of sensor reflectance issues (which seems to suggest that the sensor 
points towards the sensor). However, as Godfrey says, the -D bodies 
support TTL. There is *great* variation in opinion as to how well it 
works.