Re: New K bodies listed on B

[John Forbes]

I'm glad you raised that point, Aaron.

First, Pentax DO send shipments by airfreight (according to you), so it  
shows that the price of airfreight makes it an economic proposition at  
times, although obviously one would expect seafreight to be cheaper.

Second, I DO happen to believe that Pentax should use airfreight more  
often.  In the past year, a great deal of criticism has been directed at  
Pentax for not having product in the stores.  How many times do you  
suppose that Pentax lost a sale because a camera was on the high seas  
when, for only $2.00 more, it could have been in the store?

But as for calling people stupid, I reserve that for people who  
uncritically accept figures for shipping that are a thousand times  
over-stated, whilst at the same time claiming to know something about  
shipping methods and logistics.  Ring any bells?

John


On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:19:11 +0100, Aaron Reynolds  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jul 9, 2006, at 6:47 PM, John Forbes wrote:
>
>> You're too stupid to realise I've disproved every one.
>
> Except for, um, the fact that Pentax actually DO send the large
> shipments by sea and the small shipments by air.  No insults will
> change the reality of the situation.
>
> We get it, John -- he quoted a radically wrong number for the costs.
> That does not make any of the rest of this nonsense true.  But perhaps
> you can call up Pentax and tell them that they're stupid and don't know
> anything about logistics -- they may thank you with a free camera or
> something.
>
> -Aaron
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Re: New K bodies listed on B

[John Forbes]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:07:33 +0100, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:40 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>> So, 4000kgs is not a large quantity, it's rather small actually when a
>> single container is 10 times that. Remeber we are talking items
>> that run
>> around 1kg in packaging and are produced in quntities of 30,000+ a
>> month. Shipments are not going to be 4000kgs
>
> Most consumer goods travel by sea, unless they need to get there
> yesterday.  Retailers apply far too much price-pressure to allow air
> freight unless there's no alternative.

Depends what sort of goods you are talking about.  If the product is  
small, light, of high value, and out of stock, then there are very good  
reasons for using airfreight.

John

>
> I used to work for an industrial electronics manufacturer and a
> number of project meetings I attended had some interesting
> discussions about freight and packaging.  Those who attend meetings
> regularly will understand how a discussion about freight could
> possibly seem interesting.
>
> - Dave
>
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PESO:"Fadista Joana Amendoeira"

[Tim Øsleby]

Just came back from a folk music festival, Førde internasjonale
følkemusikkfestival. Four days of wonderful music. I'm there as "press", so
I'm usually at front row :-)
I am exhausted, after travelling between work and the festival. 

http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=39557&refid=999&ref=author
DS & Tamron 28-75/2,8 @ 55mm, f:4, 1/20s, 1600 ISO raw. 
I used a tripod. It’s a pain in the ..., but its well worth the effort I'd
say.

This shot is from a Fado concert with a young and very talented Fadista
(fado singer) Joana Amendoeira. 
Some of you may be familiar with fado music. The style is about 100 years
old, and it's from Lisboa. The lyrics are very poetic, and the music is
"silent music". It is about love and longing for the beloved. I don't
understand a word of the lyrics, but it appeals a lot to me. 


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Re: Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/07/10 Mon AM 12:50:49 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: OT: An exercise in triangulation
> 
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 12:09:14AM +0100, mike wilson wrote:
> > Bob W wrote:
> > > ...and the winner of the coveted award is... Mike Wilson!
> > > 
> > > Tell us, Mike - when you've caught your breath - how are you going to
> > > use your title to further the good of mankind and promote worldwide
> > > peace this year?
> > 
> > I think I'll become an alcoholic.
> 
> Viv Stanshall lives on in our memories ...
> 

The rest of them are on tour.  My tickets are winging their way to Slumberland 
as I write

http://www.bonzodog.co.uk/


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Re: PESO:"Fadista Joana Amendoeira"

[John Forbes]

That's a great picture, Tim.

I, too, love Fado, in the right setting (preferably a cafe/restaurant in  
Lisbon).  It is extremely intense and emotional.  The Portugese take it  
very seriously, and woe betide anybody who makes the slightest noise  
during a Fado performance.

John

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:45:24 +0100, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just came back from a folk music festival, Førde internasjonale
> følkemusikkfestival. Four days of wonderful music. I'm there as "press",  
> so
> I'm usually at front row :-)
> I am exhausted, after travelling between work and the festival.
>
> http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=39557&refid=999&ref=author
> DS & Tamron 28-75/2,8 @ 55mm, f:4, 1/20s, 1600 ISO raw.
> I used a tripod. It’s a pain in the ..., but its well worth the effort  
> I'd
> say.
>
> This shot is from a Fado concert with a young and very talented Fadista
> (fado singer) Joana Amendoeira.
> Some of you may be familiar with fado music. The style is about 100 years
> old, and it's from Lisboa. The lyrics are very poetic, and the music is
> "silent music". It is about love and longing for the beloved. I don't
> understand a word of the lyrics, but it appeals a lot to me.
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
>
>
>
>



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Re: SMCP-F 1.7x AF Adapter

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/07/10 Mon AM 01:54:11 GMT
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: SMCP-F 1.7x AF Adapter
> 
> At 09:01 PM 7/9/2006, you wrote:
> >Message: 16
> >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:51:52 -0500
> >From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: SMCP-F 1.7x AF Adapter
> >To: "PDML" 
> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >OK this is a BIN, so it should be OK.
> >
> >eekBay Item # 140006246722
> >
> >1.7x plus other very cool stuff.
> >Go get it before I do!
> >
> >Don
> 
> 
> 
> Drat.  Drat.  and Double Drat!
> 

They are not cheap (for Americans but, then, what is these days?) but PentaxUK 
is still listing them:
http://www.pentax.co.uk/product_details.php?divisionid=2&productid=106&parentid=45


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Re: PESO - Heron

[Brian Walters]

Much as I hate to disagrree with Paul, I like the cropping.  It shows
the bird in context.  Anyway - beautiful bird, great shot.


Cheers

Brian

+

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Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Nice shot, but I'd crop it tighter. The heron is the thing:-).
> Paul
> On Jul 9, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > Here's a shot from this morning of a Heron hunting in the grass.
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Heron.jpg
> >
> > Taken as raw with the *ist Ds and A400/5.6 wide open.
> > This is a full frame shot from my car window.
> > Thought I might share one that was in focus...
> > Regards,  Bob S.
> >



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Re: SMCP-F 1.7x AF Adapter

[Brian Walters]

I think stronger language is called for...

Cheers

Brian



Brian Walters

Western Sydney, Australia


Quoting mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > 
> > Drat.  Drat.  and Double Drat!
> > 
> 



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Re: Excessive bounces and getting kicked off the list

[Brian Walters]

Only once so far - took me a day or two to figure out what happened.


Cheers

Brian

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Quoting Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Is anyone else frequently getting their PDML subscription
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> It's happened 4 times now for no apparent reason.
> I seem to be getting most/all messages when I compare
> mine to the archive.
> Makes it impossible to follow threads when you keep
> getting kicked off and have to re-subscribe, go to the
> archive, and try to fill in the holes. :-(
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Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/07/10 Mon AM 03:25:43 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
> 
> 
> On Jul 8, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:
> 
> > Also, when I got my DL, one fo the first questions I was asked: "Can
> > it also do video?"
> 
> I actually had someone say "oh, too bad... MY camera can make videos."  
> And they went on to tell me all about their megapixels and blah blah 
> blah.
> 
> So I showed them the backups of my recent work that were still sitting 
> on the card in the camera and they shut up about it.
> 
> I have had more people approach me to talk smack about my cameras than 
> I care to think about, especially the 67.  I don't know what it is that 
> compels them.

"You meet the most approachable people with a Pentax". Even the 67 is not an 
intimidating camera.


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Re: PESO - Table Setting

[Boris Liberman]

Shel,

It leans to the right.

On 7/10/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/tablesetting.html
>
> go at it,
>
>
> Shel
>
>
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Re: OT canon pro-1 and viewfinder comparisons

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2006, Joe Strain wrote:

> live ebay auction stuff

Hi Joe,

Welcome to the list. Can I suggest going through the (small and 
digestible, I assure you) FAQ that graywolf maintains:

http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html

Amongst other things it suggests:

"It is all right to mention your own auctions. Do not mention other 
items until the auction is over (common courtesy)."

Note also the "Not rules, just general consensus." bit :-)

Regards,

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Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?

[David Savage]

On 7/10/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/7/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >I have a Sony video camera with a 3.1 megapixel CCD that takes decent
> >stills. I consider that a good thing. But I don't want a still camera
> >that shoots video.
>
> Oh, absolutely not. My phone does that.
>

Might as well leave the big heavy work camera behind.

Dave

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RE: PESO: Moon Over Bluff Mountain

[Tim Øsleby]

I believe you have showed us this before. 
But I can take another round, it's a lovely photo :-)


Tim
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(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Mark Roberts
> Sent: 1. juli 2006 22:31
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO: Moon Over Bluff Mountain
> 
> http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm
> Taken three years ago. Still one of my favorite mountain shots.
> 
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was Re: OT: Why do you take pictures? (birtday portraits)

[Roman]

There's magic about pentax DSLR. Someone heard sumthin about *istDL 
flash being useless, they go and shoot entire evening with flashes, here 
and there, while I made birthday photos that didn't blind nobody and are 
truly a work of art. It's fun to see all these other camera guys shutup 
when they see crystal clear pictures taken at ISO 800 or 1600, a true 
portrait of a birthday hero on his 75th anniversary.

http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060710142329

My moms brother played harmonica all evening and I got wonderful set of 
photos all in natural light ISO 800 / 1600 as it went darker.  There was 
only one thing to regret, 30 degeees heat that falls beyond the scope of 
a camera discussion list here.


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Re: Excessive bounces and getting kicked off the list

[Mark Roberts]

Don Sanderson wrote:

>Is anyone else frequently getting their PDML subscription
>suspended for "excessive bounces"?
>It's happened 4 times now for no apparent reason.
>I seem to be getting most/all messages when I compare
>mine to the archive.
>Makes it impossible to follow threads when you keep
>getting kicked off and have to re-subscribe, go to the
>archive, and try to fill in the holes. :-(

Yep. The same thing keeps happening to me. I've subscribed through a
forwarding address, which isn't set to bounce/reject *anything*, but I
still keep getting unsubbed for "excessive bounces".
And I also can't detect anything in the archives that isn't making it
to my inbox.
 
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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[Mark Roberts]

Don Sanderson wrote:

>I've always egretted not living near the ocean.

Do you think we're gullible enough to believe that?
 
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Re: Magic Hour, Some Examples

[brooksdj]

Great examples Paul.

What lens were you using.

Dave   

> Grace and I went for a walk at magic hours, 
so 
I shot some lighting 
> examples. To me, the three basic magic hour lighting schemes are ball 
> up (just before it dips below the horizon), ball down, and ball down 
> backlit with clouds in the east. These are not memorable shots. The 
> third one is okay. But they serve to illustrate the light. I 
> temperature corrected to suit my pleasure in the RAW converter. But I 
> made no effort to make them all the same. Color temp isn't a problem 
> when shooting digital RAW. You can go wherever you want without loss.
> 
> Here's Grace at magic hour with the ball up. The major advantage of 
> shooting at this time is that the angle of the light is behind camera. 
> But it's a bit hard and very warm. I cooled it down here, but left some 
> warmth to show the effect.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4662865
> Here's Grace with the ball down. Ball down light is not as warm as ball 
> up, and it's less harsh. She's facing southwest, so the light is coming 
> in at a bit of any angle, but it's soft and reasonably diffuse. This 
> shot might be a wee bit soft, but it serves the purpose in terms of 
> illustrating the light.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4662873
> Finally, here's Grace with the ball down facing east. A bank of clouds 
> in the east is reflecting light back at her. The light is very soft and 
> diffuse. This is my favorite magic hour light.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4662884
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AF540FGZ?

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

Hi,

Has anyone got this flash yet? Any comments?

Thanks,
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Re: PESO - Heron

[brooksdj]

I love these birds.

Nicxe Bob.

Dave  

> Here's a shot from this morning of a Heron 
hunting in the grass.
> 
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Heron.jpg
> 
> Taken as raw with the *ist Ds and A400/5.6 wide open.
> This is a full frame shot from my car window.
> Thought I might share one that was in focus...
> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:48 AM, mike wilson wrote:

> "You meet the most approachable people with a Pentax". Even the 67 is 
> not an intimidating camera.

Not until I raise it above my head to strike 'em down, anyways.

-Aaron

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Re: AF540FGZ?

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:57 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

> Has anyone got this flash yet? Any comments?

I don't have it, but I used it for a day on the DS2.  It was really 
nice.

I can't really give you a review off the top of my head because it was 
a little while ago, but I can try to answer questions about it if no 
one else has one.

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Re: AF540FGZ?

[David Savage]

I asked this very same question a couple of weeks ago. Judging by the
flood of responses I'd say, No & No.

I ordered one today though. Hopefully I won't have to wait too long :-)

Dave

On 7/10/06, Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Has anyone got this flash yet? Any comments?
>
> Thanks,
> Kostas

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Re: New K bodies listed on B

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Jul 10, 2006, at 3:30 AM, John Forbes wrote:

> Second, I DO happen to believe that Pentax should use airfreight more
> often.  In the past year, a great deal of criticism has been directed 
> at
> Pentax for not having product in the stores.  How many times do you
> suppose that Pentax lost a sale because a camera was on the high seas
> when, for only $2.00 more, it could have been in the store?

Actually, this is clearly a store stock issue and not a Pentax issue -- 
they use the sea for the initial gigantic orders and not for subsequent 
follow-up orders.  Unless there has been an issue at the launch of a 
camera with availability, which I haven't heard about, this is merely a 
problem with getting stores to bring in the products, nothing more.

-Aaron

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Re: AF540FGZ?

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

> I can't really give you a review off the top of my head because it was
> a little while ago, but I can try to answer questions about it if no
> one else has one.

Thanks Aaron and David,

It is on my hit-list (though it's not available in the UK yet). I 
don't have any specific questions, as the Adorama spec sheet covers my 
basic one: it will work on the MZ-S.

And, no matter how important this is on film, I think it would be 
sacrilege to ask about the colour-balance of the flash ;-)

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Re: AF540FGZ?

[Leon Altoff]

I want one of these.  The AF360FGZ is just not quite powerful enough at 
times.  Even with 3 of them.

Unfortunately I can't spend money on toys until I am back in the 
workforce.  Currently on my list of toys is K10D, AF540FGZ, 100-300 f4 
possibly the Sigma if nothing better comes out before I have the money 
and a trip to Europe.

  Leon

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David Savage wrote:
> I asked this very same question a couple of weeks ago. Judging by the
> flood of responses I'd say, No & No.
> 
> I ordered one today though. Hopefully I won't have to wait too long :-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 7/10/06, Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone got this flash yet? Any comments?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kostas
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Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?

[Scott Loveless]

On 7/9/06, Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Also, when I got my DL, one fo the first questions I was asked: "Can
> > it also do video?"
>
> Similar thing happened to Nate when a friend was looking at his DSLR:
> "Yours can't do video? Oh. I thought yours was more advanced than
> mine." *sigh* He had one of those SLR-type digicams.
>

The day I bought my Mamiya C220 TLR, I was sitting in a diner looking
it over while waiting for my lunch.  A punk teenager struts up to the
table and says something like "Dude, that's a phat camera.  Is that
thing digital?"

I wanted to hit him over the head with it.

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Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?

[Aaron Reynolds]

The day a young male wearing black mascara and a noose around his neck 
approached me because he thought my hair was "sick" and wanted to know how I 
did it was the day I decided that I needed a new haircut.

-Aaron

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On 7/9/06, Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Also, when I got my DL, one fo the first questions I was asked: "Can
> > it also do video?"
>
> Similar thing happened to Nate when a friend was looking at his DSLR:
> "Yours can't do video? Oh. I thought yours was more advanced than
> mine." *sigh* He had one of those SLR-type digicams.
>

The day I bought my Mamiya C220 TLR, I was sitting in a diner looking
it over while waiting for my lunch.  A punk teenager struts up to the
table and says something like "Dude, that's a phat camera.  Is that
thing digital?"

I wanted to hit him over the head with it.

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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[Cotty]

>>I've always egretted not living near the ocean.
>
>Do you think we're gullible enough to believe that?

This thread is going to be like this from heron in.

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Re: Magic Hour

[Rick Womer]

(Cough again!)

Also depends on latitude.  Our British and
Scandanavian friends are currently enjoying 2 or 3
hours of "magic hour" light every morning and evening.
 In Florida, Texas, or California it lasts about 20
minutes.

Rick

--- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> >
> >Cough. 30 + 30 = 60.
> 
> Cough?
> 30 min before sunrise until 30 min after sunrise = 1
> hour.
> 30 min before sunset until 30 min after sunset = 1
> hour.
> One sunrise and one sunset per day.
> Two magic hours.
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Re: OT: Tent camping

[frank theriault]

On 7/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Real helpful, frank. Or should I say frankette?

I prefer francine when I'm in one of ~those~ moods...



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Re: OT: Tent camping

[frank theriault]

On 7/7/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Indeed. I was rather alarmed in another thread to learn that your cat
> is called Patch. Mousey Tongue would have seemed more your style.

Actually, her name is Patches (in the plural).  She came to me as an
adult, pre-named.  I was thinking of renaming her (Sewerpipe was the
leading contender) but I decided that a mid-life name-change would be
too confusing for the poor thing.  I did, however, provide her with a
new nickname, Lump, a sobriquet by which she's still known.  She's as
indifferent towards that name as all her others...

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Re: PESO - Table Setting

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" 
Subject: PESO - Table Setting


> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/tablesetting.html
> 
> go at it, 

It's boring, says nothing, and is poorly composed.
This is sophomoric crap.

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Re: PESO - Table Setting

[P. J. Alling]

How do you always get the perfect lighting?

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

>http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/tablesetting.html
>
>go at it, 
>
>
>Shel
>
>
>
>
>  
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Re: New K bodies listed on B

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Aaron Reynolds"
Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B


>
>
> Actually, this is clearly a store stock issue and not a Pentax issue -- 
> they use the sea for the initial gigantic orders and not for subsequent
> follow-up orders.  Unless there has been an issue at the launch of a
> camera with availability, which I haven't heard about, this is merely a
> problem with getting stores to bring in the products, nothing more.

It may also be a distributor issue.
While my local boys don't keep much in stock that is out of the ordinary, 
Pentax Canada has generally been able to supply my slightly esoteric needs 
quite quickly.
My silver 31 was a few days, silver 77 within a week, the FA50/1.4 was a few 
days, the 10-17 took 3 or 4 days, and the 14 only took a few days as well..
The FA200/4 Macro took a couple of weeks, and the A15/3.5 was a couple of 
months, but I was warned in advance that these items were not going to be 
quick.

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Re: Magic Hour

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/9/2006 7:24:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cough?
30 min before sunrise until 30 min after sunrise = 1 hour.
30 min before sunset until 30 min after sunset = 1 hour.
One sunrise and one sunset per day.
Two magic hours.

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Okay, okay, I can't add.

I also can't read. ;-)

Hehehehehe.

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Re: Magic Hour, Some Examples

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/9/2006 6:34:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4662884
===
Interesting, Paul. Thanks.

Although, maybe it's just me, I would think magic hour would be better for 
landscapes. Or, hmm, not better necessarily, but more important for landscapes.

Marnie   Gotta play with magic hour.

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Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?

[P. J. Alling]

I guess I have no impulse control.  I would have.

Scott Loveless wrote:

>On 7/9/06, Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>>Also, when I got my DL, one fo the first questions I was asked: "Can
>>>it also do video?"
>>>  
>>>
>>Similar thing happened to Nate when a friend was looking at his DSLR:
>>"Yours can't do video? Oh. I thought yours was more advanced than
>>mine." *sigh* He had one of those SLR-type digicams.
>>
>>
>>
>
>The day I bought my Mamiya C220 TLR, I was sitting in a diner looking
>it over while waiting for my lunch.  A punk teenager struts up to the
>table and says something like "Dude, that's a phat camera.  Is that
>thing digital?"
>
>I wanted to hit him over the head with it.
>
>  
>


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Re: Magic Hour, Some Examples

[pnstenquist]

It is important for landscapes. It's also extremely important for shooting 
cars. Not necessarily because of the color of the light, but because of the 
angle. The angle also makes it nice for portraiture. High sun isn't of much use 
for anything, except perhaps shooting pressed road kill:-)
Paul
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> In a message dated 7/9/2006 6:34:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4662884
> ===
> Interesting, Paul. Thanks.
> 
> Although, maybe it's just me, I would think magic hour would be better for 
> landscapes. Or, hmm, not better necessarily, but more important for 
> landscapes.
> 
> Marnie   Gotta play with magic hour.
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Re: New K bodies listed on B

[P. J. Alling]

Every once in a while a container breaks loose from one of those big 
container ships.  (Sometimes a whole ship goes down), then Nike Athletic 
Shoes wash up on beaches all over the Pacific.  Hummm.

(Yes this is silly, but now so is the rest of this discussion).

Aaron Reynolds wrote:

>On Jul 10, 2006, at 3:30 AM, John Forbes wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Second, I DO happen to believe that Pentax should use airfreight more
>>often.  In the past year, a great deal of criticism has been directed 
>>at
>>Pentax for not having product in the stores.  How many times do you
>>suppose that Pentax lost a sale because a camera was on the high seas
>>when, for only $2.00 more, it could have been in the store?
>>
>>
>
>Actually, this is clearly a store stock issue and not a Pentax issue -- 
>they use the sea for the initial gigantic orders and not for subsequent 
>follow-up orders.  Unless there has been an issue at the launch of a 
>camera with availability, which I haven't heard about, this is merely a 
>problem with getting stores to bring in the products, nothing more.
>
>-Aaron
>
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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[P. J. Alling]

The least you guys could do is retain the line that spawned this 
silliness. 

Keep this up and you'll have to pay the [Sand] Piper...

Cotty wrote:

>  
>
>>>I've always egretted not living near the ocean.
>>>  
>>>
>>Do you think we're gullible enough to believe that?
>>
>>
>
>This thread is going to be like this from heron in.
>
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Flower identification from N.C.

[brooksdj]

http://tinyurl.com/pfv99

Taken on June 1, 2006 about an hour from GFM. Any one know what this is. The 
property
owner 
apparently only pays for them and digs the holes for them.



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Re: PESO - Table Setting

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/9/2006 11:00:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/tablesetting.html

go at it, 


Shel

It's okay, Shel. Personally, though, I think I would have liked less wall and 
less chair in the background, and more the complete reflection of the sugar 
dispenser. 

Just my .02 cents.

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Re: Magic Hour

[brooksdj]

> --- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > >
> > >Cough. 30 + 30 = 60.
> > 
> > Cough?
> > 30 min before sunrise until 30 min after sunrise = 1
> > hour.
> > 30 min before sunset until 30 min after sunset = 1
> > hour.
> > One sunrise and one sunset per day.

Your lucky to have a sunrise. When i was young we used to hang flash lights to 
the bed
posts.

Dave(gearing up for Spamalot) Brooks

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Re: Flower identification from N.C.

[pnstenquist]

Rhododendron. 
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>   
>   http://tinyurl.com/pfv99
> 
> Taken on June 1, 2006 about an hour from GFM. Any one know what this is. The 
> property
> owner 
> apparently only pays for them and digs the holes for them.
> 
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Re: Flower identification from N.C.

[David Savage]

No idea.

HTH

Dave

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:54:00 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/pfv99
>
> Taken on June 1, 2006 about an hour from GFM. Any one know what this is. The 
> property
> owner
> apparently only pays for them and digs the holes for them.
>
> 
>
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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/9/2006 7:38:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
With all this talk about the "Magic Hour" I decided to make a pilgrimage 
to the shore and take advantage of the light.  I was actually hoping to 
get some shots of the returning Egrets/Herons/Ibis etc. that are raising 
young on the island in this photo, but the winds were a bit high and the 
bigger birds seemed to have hunkered down to ride it out.  Instead I got 
this shot.  The white spots, that are just barely visible on the island 
are Egrets. 

So I guess it is with some Egrets that I present "Pink Moon".

http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_pinkmoon.html
==
Okay, rather than pun, which I am not very good at anyway, since my mind 
rebels about sinking to such low levels... Nice moon, but the picture doesn't 
do 
much for me. 

Marnie aka Doe ;-) 

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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[Perry Pellechia]

Yes, it seems it took a tern for the worse.

On 7/10/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >>I've always egretted not living near the ocean.
> >
> >Do you think we're gullible enough to believe that?
>
> This thread is going to be like this from heron in.
>
> --
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
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Re: PESO-Drool

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/9/2006 6:58:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This guy has a problem:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4663160
==
Really, really nice, Paul. Although, yuck!, re drool.

When I get a dog I am not getting one that drools a lot. Okay, that goes to 
the top of my future-dog-to-get feature list, no drooling.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[P. J. Alling]

Thanks for the comment Marnie.  I mainly took the shot for the ethereal 
lighting, which seems to be lost entirely in the jpeg conversion.  Maybe 
one of the other shots will retain it better when I play with them a bit.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>In a message dated 7/9/2006 7:38:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>With all this talk about the "Magic Hour" I decided to make a pilgrimage 
>to the shore and take advantage of the light.  I was actually hoping to 
>get some shots of the returning Egrets/Herons/Ibis etc. that are raising 
>young on the island in this photo, but the winds were a bit high and the 
>bigger birds seemed to have hunkered down to ride it out.  Instead I got 
>this shot.  The white spots, that are just barely visible on the island 
>are Egrets. 
>
>So I guess it is with some Egrets that I present "Pink Moon".
>
>http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_pinkmoon.html
>==
>Okay, rather than pun, which I am not very good at anyway, since my mind 
>rebels about sinking to such low levels... Nice moon, but the picture doesn't 
>do 
>much for me. 
>
>Marnie aka Doe ;-) 
>
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GESO - Musicians

[dougbrewer]

Now, for something different from me.

Taken last Tuesday at our 4th of July celebration.

http://www.alphoto.com/070406/page1.htm

enjoy,

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Narrow DOF at F/2.0

[Roman]

http://roman.blakout.net/r-rated/400x600-imgp4415.jpg

Photographed with Zenit Helios-44K lense, russian manual K-mount at 
F/2.0 (wide open). Wanted to see narrow DOF against usual values I used 
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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[David Savage]

At 11:10 PM 10/07/2006, Perry Pellechia  wrote:
>Yes, it seems it took a tern for the worse.
>
>On 7/10/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >>I've always egretted not living near the ocean.
> > >
> > >Do you think we're gullible enough to believe that?
> >
> > This thread is going to be like this from heron in.

Just wren you thought we were done with pun threads.

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Re: Flower identification from N.C.

[brooksdj]

I thought so, but it didi not look quite like the ones at PDML central, so i 
was curious.

Thnaks

Dave  

> Rhododendron. 
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Re: Magic Hour

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Rick Womer wrote:

> Also depends on latitude.  Our British and
> Scandanavian friends are currently enjoying 2 or 3
> hours of "magic hour" light every morning and evening.

Make that "every year" for Scotland. Except if grey is magic.

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Re: New K bodies listed on B

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:58:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Every once in a while a container breaks loose from one of those big 
container ships.  (Sometimes a whole ship goes down), then Nike Athletic 
Shoes wash up on beaches all over the Pacific.  Hummm.

(Yes this is silly, but now so is the rest of this discussion).

I, like about 100 others I am sure, am just waiting for this thread to die.

But the image of Nikes being washed ashore into natives hands was a nice 
diversion.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[pnstenquist]

These threads are robin the list of its vitality.
 -- Original message --
From: "Perry Pellechia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Yes, it seems it took a tern for the worse.
> 
> On 7/10/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >>I've always egretted not living near the ocean.
> > >
> > >Do you think we're gullible enough to believe that?
> >
> > This thread is going to be like this from heron in.
> >
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> >
> > Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> >
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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[Mark Roberts]

P. J. Alling wrote:

>Cotty wrote:
>>
I've always egretted not living near the ocean.
  

>>>Do you think we're gullible enough to believe that?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>This thread is going to be like this from heron in.
>>
>The least you guys could do is retain the line that spawned this 
>silliness. 
>
>Keep this up and you'll have to pay the [Sand] Piper...

I'll have to see if I can salmon up the strength.
 
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Re: Narrow DOF at F/2.0

[pnstenquist]

Interesting. The crop right below the mouth bothered me a bit at first, but 
it's in keeping with this unusual look. I like it.
Paul
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> Photographed with Zenit Helios-44K lense, russian manual K-mount at 
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Re: PESO-Drool

[pnstenquist]

Thanks Marnie. He seemed to be a friendly pup, but I decided not to pet him for 
fear of ruining my shoes.
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> In a message dated 7/9/2006 6:58:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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> This guy has a problem:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4663160
> ==
> Really, really nice, Paul. Although, yuck!, re drool.
> 
> When I get a dog I am not getting one that drools a lot. Okay, that goes to 
> the top of my future-dog-to-get feature list, no drooling.
> 
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Re: PESO - Table Setting

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Shel,

This one doesn't really grab at me.  It would be a very nice photo to
illustrate DOF control to a beginner - trying to grasp just what it
is.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006, 10:52:12 PM, you wrote:

SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/tablesetting.html

SB> go at it, 


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Re: Flower identification from N.C.

[pnstenquist]

Yes, it's a cultivated nursery rhodie. Roseum Elegans, I believe. A very common 
and rather hardy variety. I have a ten-foot tall specimen in front of my house.
Paul
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> I thought so, but it didi not look quite like the ones at PDML central, so i 
> was 
> curious.
> 
> Thnaks
> 
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Re: New K bodies listed on B

[P. J. Alling]

Think of getting the latest Pentax DSLR the same way...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:58:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Every once in a while a container breaks loose from one of those big 
>container ships.  (Sometimes a whole ship goes down), then Nike Athletic 
>Shoes wash up on beaches all over the Pacific.  Hummm.
>
>(Yes this is silly, but now so is the rest of this discussion).
>
>I, like about 100 others I am sure, am just waiting for this thread to die.
>
>But the image of Nikes being washed ashore into natives hands was a nice 
>diversion.
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>Marnie aka Doe ;-)
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Re: PESO:"Fadista Joana Amendoeira"

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Tim,

Nice shot!  Tough to use a tripod.  Had you considered a monopod
instead?  I really like you have composed this one.  It works very
well with the musician looking at the singer and the expressions on
both their faces.

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Monday, July 10, 2006, 12:45:24 AM, you wrote:

TØ> Just came back from a folk music festival, Førde internasjonale
TØ> følkemusikkfestival. Four days of wonderful music. I'm there as "press", so
TØ> I'm usually at front row :-)
TØ> I am exhausted, after travelling between work and the festival. 

TØ> http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=39557&refid=999&ref=author
TØ> DS & Tamron 28-75/2,8 @ 55mm, f:4, 1/20s, 1600 ISO raw. 
TØ> I used a tripod. It’s a pain in the ..., but its well worth the effort I'd
TØ> say.

TØ> This shot is from a Fado concert with a young and very talented Fadista
TØ> (fado singer) Joana Amendoeira. 
TØ> Some of you may be familiar with fado music. The style is about 100 years
TØ> old, and it's from Lisboa. The lyrics are very poetic, and the music is
TØ> "silent music". It is about love and longing for the beloved. I don't
TØ> understand a word of the lyrics, but it appeals a lot to me. 


TØ> Tim
TØ> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
TØ> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
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Re: Magic Hour

[Cotty]

On 10/7/06, Kostas Kavoussanakis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>Make that "every year" for Scotland. Except if grey is magic.

Try the western isles Kostas - my sister and her bloke live on Coll.
What a beautiful place!



click on 'Isle of Coll' and then 'Landscapes'...

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Re: PESO -- Pink Moon

[Bruce Dayton]

If it were me, I would certainly give it a try or two with the raw
converter.  The photo is pretty good.  I think the biggest annoyance
for me, is that it seems like you could have shifted the image very
slightly left, to get the island left edge - what would be sacrificed
on the right, I would almost crop out anyway.  It would balance the
shot just a bit more.

That being said, there is a raw feeling of power about this shot.  I
can almost feel the wind and weather.  The boats and the flag, along
with the moon, really add to this photo.  So all in all, I like this
photo, just wish it shifted a tiny bit to the left.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006, 7:50:00 PM, you wrote:

PJA> With all this talk about the "Magic Hour" I decided to make a pilgrimage
PJA> to the shore and take advantage of the light.  I was actually hoping to
PJA> get some shots of the returning Egrets/Herons/Ibis etc. that are raising
PJA> young on the island in this photo, but the winds were a bit high and the
PJA> bigger birds seemed to have hunkered down to ride it out.  Instead I got
PJA> this shot.  The white spots, that are just barely visible on the island
PJA> are Egrets. 

PJA> So I guess it is with some Egrets that I present "Pink Moon".

PJA> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_pinkmoon.html

PJA> Tech. Info.:
PJA> Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 1600 @ 1/125sec (Av)
PJA> smc Pentax-F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6  @ f4.0 (103mm)

PJA> Note:  There seems to be something of a loss of the original subtlety of
PJA> light from the raw file to the jpeg.  I'm probably going to try another
PJA> cut at this, or one of the many other slightly different exposures and
PJA> compositions I tried, but this will have to do for now.

PJA> As usual comments are welcome, but may be completely ignored.

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Northern Mich. - Traverse City

[Stan Halpin]

I am in the "north woods" for the next couple of weeks. Cool, cloudy, 
drizzly weather right now, quite a change from the hot humid parched 
weather at home.

Probably heading over to the dunes tomorrow. Anyone in the general 
vicinity that wants to link up, let me know. For tomorrow or other 
possibilities later...

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Re: Magic Hour

[Cotty]

On 10/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

>Okay, okay, I can't add.
>
>I also can't read. ;-)
>
>Hehehehehe.
>
>Marnie aka Doe 

I'd get some syrup for that nasty cough though ;-)

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Re: was Re: OT: Why do you take pictures? (birtday portraits)

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Roman,

Sometimes available light can be truly wonderful - conveying the true
ambience of the situation, as you have ably demonstrated.  Thanks for
sharing these.

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Monday, July 10, 2006, 4:36:05 AM, you wrote:

R> There's magic about pentax DSLR. Someone heard sumthin about *istDL
R> flash being useless, they go and shoot entire evening with flashes, here
R> and there, while I made birthday photos that didn't blind nobody and are
R> truly a work of art. It's fun to see all these other camera guys shutup
R> when they see crystal clear pictures taken at ISO 800 or 1600, a true
R> portrait of a birthday hero on his 75th anniversary.

R> http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060710142329

R> My moms brother played harmonica all evening and I got wonderful set of
R> photos all in natural light ISO 800 / 1600 as it went darker.  There was
R> only one thing to regret, 30 degeees heat that falls beyond the scope of
R> a camera discussion list here.


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RE: PEOW: Great Blue Heron Portrait

[Tom C]

This picture works for me because it's a closeup and is such an usual shot.  
DOF does not bother me at all. Nice choice on framing. I could see this 
being some sort of silly animal greeting card.



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>
>Here's a shot taken a couple months back with the *istDS with the
>FA*300 f4.5 stacked with the F1.7X Adapter. This combo gives me a
>510mm focal length and is not too shabby provided there is some
>decent light. I tried some Noise Ninja reduction in the BibbleLite
>Raw processing, but didn't like the way detail was lost on the bird
>even though the background was quite a bit better without the noise.
>I suppose if I took the time, I could combine two images (one with
>noise removed in background), but I'm hard pressed to even get this
>much posted lately.
>Comments & critique are always helpful from you folks.
>
>Thanks,
>JayT
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Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?

[brooksdj]

Why do i take pictures.

Well the horses make me money.

However...

I take my personal photos for probably this reason. I tend to find myself 
living in the
past, or wanting to 
live in the past, so to speak. I don't take well to changes, radical or not. 
Stouffville
is getting a Wal-Mart. I
m having difficulty dealing with this.:-)

For that reason, having rampant development in the area i reside in, makes me 
want to
capture the 
existing, simpiler way of life, the farm and its people and machineas and 
animals, before
they are all 
gone.

As far as landscapes, we live on one of the best planets around. Why not record 
its beauty
and 
funcionality.

Just remember after all ther oil is gone, and we have blown our selves all to 
bits, we'll
look like any 
other planet out there. Whats the point of photographing that.:-)

Dave   

> While doing panoramas earlier today - at the 
beach - a young woman asked me:
> Why do you take pictures?
> Out of nowhere, I came upp with this (rather arrogant) answer: Because I'm a
> photographer.
> I expected her to give me problems or to follow up on the question - but she
> didn't. To my big surprise, she accepted my answer.
> I will perhaps use the same answer again.
> 
> http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/Badestranden2.html
> Jens Bladt
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RE: PESO -- Pink Moon

[Malcolm Smith]

Mark Roberts wrote:

> P. J. Alling wrote:
> 
> >Cotty wrote:
> >>
> I've always egretted not living near the ocean.
>   
> 
> >>>Do you think we're gullible enough to believe that?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>This thread is going to be like this from heron in.
> >>
> >The least you guys could do is retain the line that spawned this 
> >silliness.
> >
> >Keep this up and you'll have to pay the [Sand] Piper...
> 
> I'll have to see if I can salmon up the strength.

Are you typing all these puns because there is a Pen Tax?

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RE: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Tom C]

>My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of
>manipulation.
>
>Jack
> > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121
> >
>

Manipulation = Integrity?

You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)

Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the manipulation too.  
Certainly a moody image which I like.

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Re: "Do not warm colours"

[Tom C]

>If the operator looks at you with the dumbstruck look normally reserved for
>the first time you see a space alien, you can point out that the keyboard
>has more than just a start key, and ask what do they think the buttons
>marked Y, M, and C stand for, and why are there buttons marked -4 to +5?
>
>William Robb
>

Take me to your leader.

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Re: Northern Mich. - Traverse City

[pnstenquist]

To us Michiganders, your simply "up north." I envy you and wish I could join 
you, but I won't be getting up there any time soon.
Paul
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> I am in the "north woods" for the next couple of weeks. Cool, cloudy, 
> drizzly weather right now, quite a change from the hot humid parched 
> weather at home.
> 
> Probably heading over to the dunes tomorrow. Anyone in the general 
> vicinity that wants to link up, let me know. For tomorrow or other 
> possibilities later...
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Battery Use Variations *ist-D vs DS

[P. J. Alling]

Well I finally got tired of the fact that my *ist-D gets more battery 
usage from a set of rechargeables than my Ds and did a little test. 

It seems that the DS will take quite a few more photos when the battery 
indicator reads empty, two or three hundred more in fact.  The D is just 
about ready to give out when the battery indicator reads empty.  The D 
will take batterys that the Ds thinks are empty, (and won't even get the 
display on the DS to start), and show them as half full. 

Now we all know that the battery check on these cameras is just a rough 
estimation of how much power remains, but this looks like a huge 
difference.  Using my handy, dandy, Tandy®, digital multimeter I have 
been able to determine that  at a measured voltage around 1.24-1.27 
volts the Ds starts showing the batteries as being empty, yet it will 
continue to operate for quite some time.  The D sees these as being half 
full.  I don't know if this is sample variation or some psychological 
gambit, (for example, GM automobile gas gauges read empty when there's 
still 3-4 gallons in the tank, just so people won't run out of gas), I 
don't know about anyone else but I find this to be interesting. 

Disclaimer:  Hardly a scientific test, but I didn't have to build any 
special equipment and I wasn't doing anything else important anyway.

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RE: PESO-Drool

[Tom C]

You didn't tell me Bill Robb was visiting...



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>This guy has a problem:
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4663160
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Re: PESO:"Fadista Joana Amendoeira"

[pnstenquist]

Excellent. I really like this one. Beautiful color and light. 
Paul
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> Hello Tim,
> 
> Nice shot!  Tough to use a tripod.  Had you considered a monopod
> instead?  I really like you have composed this one.  It works very
> well with the musician looking at the singer and the expressions on
> both their faces.
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> Monday, July 10, 2006, 12:45:24 AM, you wrote:
> 
> TØ> Just came back from a folk music festival, Førde internasjonale
> TØ> følkemusikkfestival. Four days of wonderful music. I'm there as "press", 
> so
> TØ> I'm usually at front row :-)
> TØ> I am exhausted, after travelling between work and the festival. 
> 
> TØ> http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=39557&refid=999&ref=author
> TØ> DS & Tamron 28-75/2,8 @ 55mm, f:4, 1/20s, 1600 ISO raw. 
> TØ> I used a tripod. It’s a pain in the ..., but its well worth the effort I'd
> TØ> say.
> 
> TØ> This shot is from a Fado concert with a young and very talented Fadista
> TØ> (fado singer) Joana Amendoeira. 
> TØ> Some of you may be familiar with fado music. The style is about 100 years
> TØ> old, and it's from Lisboa. The lyrics are very poetic, and the music is
> TØ> "silent music". It is about love and longing for the beloved. I don't
> TØ> understand a word of the lyrics, but it appeals a lot to me. 
> 
> 
> TØ> Tim
> TØ> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
> TØ> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
> TØ> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
> 
> 
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Re: Magic Hour

[P. J. Alling]

Have I ever said how much I hate macro media flash?  Well I hate it.  
It's an abomination, all Flash programmers should be taken out and keel 
hauled.  Designers who recommend Flash should be hung drawn and 
quartered  Clients who demand Flash should be buried up to their lower 
lips in dung until they think they're going to die.  Then exhumed so 
that they can be pilloried with baskets of over ripe fruit and 
vegetables kept handy for the amusement of the children, before they're 
hung drawn and quartered.

Cotty wrote:

>On 10/7/06, Kostas Kavoussanakis, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>  
>
>>Make that "every year" for Scotland. Except if grey is magic.
>>
>>
>
>Try the western isles Kostas - my sister and her bloke live on Coll.
>What a beautiful place!
>
>
>
>click on 'Isle of Coll' and then 'Landscapes'...
>
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AF540FGZ

[Adam Maas]

I can confirm that these are actually available. Henry's in Downtown 
Toronto has two on the shelf as of 10 minutes ago.

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Re: Magic Hour

[Mark Roberts]

P. J. Alling wrote:

>Have I ever said how much I hate macro media flash?  Well I hate it.  
>It's an abomination, all Flash programmers should be taken out and keel 
>hauled.  Designers who recommend Flash should be hung drawn and 
>quartered  Clients who demand Flash should be buried up to their lower 
>lips in dung until they think they're going to die.  Then exhumed so 
>that they can be pilloried with baskets of over ripe fruit and 
>vegetables kept handy for the amusement of the children, before they're 
>hung drawn and quartered.

You're for going easy on them, eh?
 
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RE: PESO - dodge ball tournament

[brooksdj]

>> 
 I think  you should spell consistently (and correctly) too (avocado, no
> avacado)

I was told speeling does not count on the pdml. Thats why oi joined in the 
first place. 
;-)

Dave
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> > -Original Message-
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> > Behalf Of Russell Kerstetter
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> > 
> > this photo I cannot decide if I like or not
> > 
> > I have spent a lot of time with Picasa messing with it, and have
> never
> > been satisfied with what I came up with.  For this version I hit
> "I'm
> > Feeling Lucky" and decided to wait for comments before spending more
> > time on it.
> > 
> > I like it because shows the "excitement" and "confusion" of high
> > intesity dodge-ball, but then everything is blurry.
> > 
> > so do you think it is worth spending time on, or is it crap?
> > 
> > http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic05.html
> > 
> > Brutal and Honest  :)
> > 
> > Russell
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Re: Flower identification from N.C.

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
Rhodendrens - perennials that are probably a bit iffy for most of Canada.
They live in Chicago, but some struggle in winter.
Beautiful blooms in spring here.
Regards,  Bob S.

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>> Rhododendron.
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> > > The
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RE: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Jack Davis]

No. Manipulation (& Velvia) = Lack of integrity?

OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)

Jack

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> >manipulation.
> >
> >Jack
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> > >
> >
> 
> Manipulation = Integrity?
> 
> You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)
> 
> Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the manipulation
> too.  
> Certainly a moody image which I like.
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RE: PESO - dodge ball tournament

[Don Sanderson]

I thawt I made a spelling misteak wunce.
Butt I was rong. ;-)

Don

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>   >> 
>  I think  you should spell consistently (and correctly) too (avocado, no
> > avacado)
> 
> I was told speeling does not count on the pdml. Thats why oi 
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> > > 
> > > this photo I cannot decide if I like or not
> > > 
> > > I have spent a lot of time with Picasa messing with it, and have
> > never
> > > been satisfied with what I came up with.  For this version I hit
> > "I'm
> > > Feeling Lucky" and decided to wait for comments before spending more
> > > time on it.
> > > 
> > > I like it because shows the "excitement" and "confusion" of high
> > > intesity dodge-ball, but then everything is blurry.
> > > 
> > > so do you think it is worth spending time on, or is it crap?
> > > 
> > > http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic05.html
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RE: PESO: Sun Shadow

[pnstenquist]

I much prefer this, although I would brighten the highlights a bit. The whites 
are very grey.
Paul
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From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> No. Manipulation (& Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
> 
> OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
> 
> Jack
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=127
> 
> --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > >My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of
> > >manipulation.
> > >
> > >Jack
> > > > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > Manipulation = Integrity?
> > 
> > You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)
> > 
> > Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the manipulation
> > too.  
> > Certainly a moody image which I like.
> > 
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RE: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Tom C]

Hi Jack,

I definitely find the the manipulated image with the "shadow" more 
appealing.

As for your conscience, I can't speak to that... :-)

It's interesting that you state lookers have not commented about the 
unnatural look.  I suspect it's because we/they have been bombarded by 
unnatural images in the media for so long that we now often accept what we 
see without questioning it's authenticity.  Special effects have so 
mesmerized us that we view them as common-place.


Tom C.






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>
>No. Manipulation (& Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
>
>OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
>
>Jack
>
>http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=127
>
>--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of
> > >manipulation.
> > >
> > >Jack
> > > > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Manipulation = Integrity?
> >
> > You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)
> >
> > Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the manipulation
> > too.
> > Certainly a moody image which I like.
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Re: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Bruce Dayton]

Personally, I like this version much better.

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Monday, July 10, 2006, 10:33:01 AM, you wrote:

JD> No. Manipulation (& Velvia) = Lack of integrity?

JD> OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)

JD> Jack

JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=127

JD> --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> >My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of
>> >manipulation.
>> >
>> >Jack
>> > > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121
>> > >
>> >
>> 
>> Manipulation = Integrity?
>> 
>> You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)
>> 
>> Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the manipulation
>> too.  
>> Certainly a moody image which I like.
>> 
>> Tom C.
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RE: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Jack Davis]

I blame velvia for "unnatural bombarding" of the masses. ;-))

Shadow adds drama..I think.

Jack

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Jack,
> 
> I definitely find the the manipulated image with the "shadow" more 
> appealing.
> 
> As for your conscience, I can't speak to that... :-)
> 
> It's interesting that you state lookers have not commented about the 
> unnatural look.  I suspect it's because we/they have been bombarded
> by 
> unnatural images in the media for so long that we now often accept
> what we 
> see without questioning it's authenticity.  Special effects have so 
> mesmerized us that we view them as common-place.
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >No. Manipulation (& Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
> >
> >OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=127
> >
> >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > >My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of
> > > >manipulation.
> > > >
> > > >Jack
> > > > > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Manipulation = Integrity?
> > >
> > > You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)
> > >
> > > Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the manipulation
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Re: AF540FGZ

[John Celio]

>I can confirm that these are actually available. Henry's in Downtown
> Toronto has two on the shelf as of 10 minutes ago.

And I was just taking pictures with my 540 last night.  ;)

John Celio
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Re: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Jack Davis]

Bruce, I don't wish to try to talk you out of liking any of my shots,
but IMO the sun in itself adds absolutely nothing to the scene. Only
emphasizes the hole in the branches.

Thanks for positive remarks, however.

Jack


--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Personally, I like this version much better.
> 
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> Monday, July 10, 2006, 10:33:01 AM, you wrote:
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> JD> No. Manipulation (& Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
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> JD> OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
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> JD> Jack
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> >> >My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of
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> >> >Jack
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> >> > >
> >> >
> >> 
> >> Manipulation = Integrity?
> >> 
> >> You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)
> >> 
> >> Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the manipulation
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Re: PESO: Sun Shadow

[frank theriault]

On 7/8/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
> reaction/repulsion.
> Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
> I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I?
> Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100.
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I love it!

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Re: AF540FGZ

[Adam Maas]

Where are you located? Henry's has several D-FA 100's for $549CDN right 
now, sitting on the shelf at their main location. They just dropped the 
price significantly. They do online ordering in US and Canadian funds 
over at henrys.com (Not really a plug, I only buy used from them, but 
they do have the stock)

-Adam


John Celio wrote:
>>I can confirm that these are actually available. Henry's in Downtown
>>Toronto has two on the shelf as of 10 minutes ago.
> 
> 
> And I was just taking pictures with my 540 last night.  ;)
> 
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Re: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Tom C]

>
>On 7/8/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
> > reaction/repulsion.
> > Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
> > I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I?
> > Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100.
> >
>
>I love it!
>
>cheers,
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I changed my mind now. :-)

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Re: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Jack Davis]

Meaningful comment. Thanks!

Jack

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> On 7/8/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
> > I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I?
> > Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100.
> >
> 
> I love it!
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Re: Flower identification from N.C.

[brooksdj]

> Dave,
> Rhodendrens - perennials that are probably a bit iffy for most of Canada.

Our crabgrass does quite nice this time of year.:-)

> They live in Chicago, but some struggle in winter.

So did the Blues Brothers.:-)

> Beautiful blooms in spring here.

Lovely plumage. I do like the flowers, quite nice. This is the first purplish 
looking one
i had seen so i 
was not to sure.

Dave


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> > Thnaks
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> >> Rhododendron.
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> > > > property
> > > > owner
> > > > apparently only pays for them and digs the holes for them.
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Re: PESO - dodge ball tournament

[Russell Kerstetter]

i gues i hvae to balme it on my computar, it's donst chcek
capitalization or gramar either

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Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?

[Russell Kerstetter]

On 7/10/06, Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The day a young male wearing black mascara and a noose around his neck 
> approached me because he thought my hair was "sick" and wanted to know how I 
> did it was the day I decided that I needed a new haircut.
>
> -Aaron


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Re: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Bruce Dayton]

I gave a comparative response.  I didn't like the first one very much
because I thought the manipulation looked very odd and fake.  The
second looks much better.

You came across wanting a critique on the manipulation, rather than
the picture as a whole.  You've already indicated that you are rather
so-so on this one.

As to the second shot, I can see a line coming across from the left
that looks like a film scratch.  There are a bunch of dust spots that
should be cleaned up (boy I remember dealing with that from scans!).
The image for me is medium - not great, but not a stinker.  If there
were more detail to be had in the background...

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Monday, July 10, 2006, 11:25:51 AM, you wrote:

JD> Bruce, I don't wish to try to talk you out of liking any of my shots,
JD> but IMO the sun in itself adds absolutely nothing to the scene. Only
JD> emphasizes the hole in the branches.

JD> Thanks for positive remarks, however.

JD> Jack


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>> Monday, July 10, 2006, 10:33:01 AM, you wrote:
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>> JD> No. Manipulation (& Velvia) = Lack of integrity?
>> 
>> JD> OK Tom, here is the Sun Shadow-less. About a C-.(?)
>> 
>> JD> Jack
>> 
>> JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=127
>> 
>> JD> --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
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>> >> >manipulation.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jack
>> >> > > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >> Manipulation = Integrity?
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>> >> You find this acceptable but belly-ache about Velvia?? :-)
>> >> 
>> >> Actually I like it. Would like to see it without the manipulation
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>> >> Certainly a moody image which I like.
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Re: PESO: Sun Shadow

[Jack Davis]

Now that you learn Frank likes it, your reconsidering your positive
opinion?
Think I'll tell Frank. ;-?

Jack

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >
> >On 7/8/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your
> > > reaction/repulsion.
> > > Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR.
> > > I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should
> I?
> > > Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100.
> > >
> >
> >I love it!
> >
> >cheers,
> >frank
> >
> 
> I changed my mind now. :-)
> 
> Tom C.
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