Re: K10D - More News
I missed anything about AF -- what did he say about it? Better AF performance and an evolution of the K-mount. It is generally interpreted as meaning USM. Then it's a poor interpretation. There is nothing to suggest Pentax has come up with a new focusing system. Nothing but hyped-up rumors and uninformed speculation. If there really is something revolutionary coming with the K10D, I think we're all better off waiting till September 13th so we can hear it straight from the horse's mouth. I'd bet money it won't be anything like USM, but I'm saving up for both a new car and the K10D. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thats all. $900. $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK II etc. This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos from PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger *istD. You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to pretend it's like those other cameras. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer market? How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside from a few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be buying Samsung cameras and lenses. Dave, the disappointed, Brooks Should I send a whmbulance? John Celio ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the K10D... -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: McKenzie Country
On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:37 PM, Don Williams wrote: I find the buttons too small and indistinct. They are also not where you would expect them to be. The pictures are great. Thanks for the feedback (and to everyone else). I'll take a look at the buttons later... - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. I don't need two. Learned that from my wife. :-( Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:02:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere around there. That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because it isn't priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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As a lurker on this incredibly active forum, let me share a few points of view as seen from a non-Pentax user, as that mat say something about market potential for Pentax. I currently use a Fuji S3, and am looking for a second system. What is unique to me about Pentax is: - Compact, fast, high quality primes - AA batteries (since I use that on the Fuji already) - In camera anti-shake - Compact size (Nikon D50 offers that too, but no AA's and no anti-shake) - Reasonable price - Good ergonomics - Good build in a compact camera Many of these things are what Pentax has been good at for the last 30 years, and as an Olympus OM user, they are important to me. If we look at the success of Pentax and Olympus compact SLR's in the past, and the current success of the Nikon D50 and others nowadays, I'm sure a lot of people would like compact, no-frills DSLR's. It's a question of hitting the right combo, and being able to market it. The latter may be a challenge for Pentax. Jorgen Udvang On 5/8/06 1:06 pm, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed anything about AF -- what did he say about it? Better AF performance and an evolution of the K-mount. It is generally interpreted as meaning USM. Then it's a poor interpretation. There is nothing to suggest Pentax has come up with a new focusing system. Nothing but hyped-up rumors and uninformed speculation. If there really is something revolutionary coming with the K10D, I think we're all better off waiting till September 13th so we can hear it straight from the horse's mouth. I'd bet money it won't be anything like USM, but I'm saving up for both a new car and the K10D. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so many lenses for it. If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I have no doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no developments to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:43 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so many lenses for it. If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I have no doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no developments to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
While you're right that pro representation is slim, your store doesn't have the glass because your store didn't order the glass -- end of story. Call them up and check on availability. What they don't have in stock can be brought in from Japan (or the Philippines, where apparently they're doing warehousing as well) fairly quickly. I'm not saying your store should stock Pentax FA* glass -- I'm just saying they could if they wanted to. -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. I'm not disappointed by the price positioning. Rather pleased in fact. Surprised, but pleased. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:06 AM, John Celio wrote: Thats all. $900. $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK II etc. This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos from PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger *istD. You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to pretend it's like those other cameras. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer market? How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside from a few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be buying Samsung cameras and lenses. Dave, the disappointed, Brooks Should I send a whmbulance? John Celio ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the K10D... -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That thought crossed my mind as well. But I think any further upgrade is at least a year away. I'll by the K10. If we get a K1 down the road, I'll sell my other D and pick up one of those. I do need two cameras. Don't expect a larger sensor in any Pentax camera other than the 645D. The lens lineup shows a commitment to APS-C. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:17 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. I don't need two. Learned that from my wife. :-( Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:02:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere around there. That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because it isn't priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If that's the case, My D is for sale. CW - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Well, if it delivers on all we were expecting AND sells for $800, it will be a definite coup for Pentax. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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First off, I never saw any pictures of the camera. If someone posted some, they never made it to my mailbox. I don't seem to get everyyhing. Secondly, if they didi make a D2h equivalent, i would buy one for my horse work, if it had higher buffer and write speeds then the D. Thirdly, i have the grip foir the 200 and it helps in balance, but the feel is just not there for me, but its close. Fourth, if you want to pay the cost to send the Wbulance up here for me, go right ahead. Fifth. boggling minds is my other part time job. Dave Quoting John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thats all. $900. $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK II etc. This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos from PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger *istD. You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to pretend it's like those other cameras. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer market? How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside from a few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be buying Samsung cameras and lenses. Dave, the disappointed, Brooks Should I send a whmbulance? John Celio ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the K10D... -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Some time last fall or very early this year, i saw a picture on the net, and the bosy design was of a much bigger camera then we have now. Maybe they changed the design or it was just a first run mock up. Never know i quess. I was just interested in something to replace the D2H and use Pentax. I like the bigger bodies is all.:-) Dave Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. I'm not disappointed by the price positioning. Rather pleased in fact. Surprised, but pleased. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:06 AM, John Celio wrote: Thats all. $900. $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK II etc. This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos from PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger *istD. You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to pretend it's like those other cameras. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer market? How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside from a few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be buying Samsung cameras and lenses. Dave, the disappointed, Brooks Should I send a whmbulance? John Celio ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the K10D... -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: McKenzie Country
Really very nice photos. Pity they're not bigger on my screen. CW - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: GESO: McKenzie Country Hi all, I've recently finished a long-overdue update to my gallery viewer. On the surface not a lot has changed except a little prettifying, but I've made some significant changes under-the-hood. With all the work I've put into it I really should show a gallery every now and then, so I've put together some pics of one of my favourite areas of my country. They are presented in approximate order of time-of-day, so the sequence progresses from dawn to night. I think that quite a few of the photos have been shown here before. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/photodb/galleries/view.php?g=32 If anything doesn't work let me know... I've tested with most browsers, so it should work OK even if you have Javascript turned off. Cheers, - Dave (editing is hard) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 8/2/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
IMO the K10 is nothing else than a D replacement maybe with a couple added features but nothing else. 2006/8/4, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of my Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it gets. First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still so much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to hurry up and get here! Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a damn good price. The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining doubters can relax now. Remember in the PMA photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the camera? It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function will be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 , 210,000 pixels The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by much. I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new images. The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at PMA. I couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the same sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, portrait, night scene, etc). DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does this on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you use the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on the screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is not saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens DOF- preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. That's all I can remember. Have fun! John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! Nikon, by the way, is working on a full-frame DSLR that works with DX (APS-C) lenses: When you mount a DX lens it'll automatically use just a smaller area of the sensor. I really think full-frame is years away for Pentax, but I believe a D200 competitor is much closer than that. I paid close to $1400.00 for my ist-D and I'd pay at least that for a Pentax equivalent of the D200. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Dave, The big body you saw was probably the 645D. I'm not a fan of tiny bodies either, but the D with the grip fits me well enough. Plus, when I have two of them hanging around my neck packed with 16 batteries, I'm happy that they aren't any larger or heavier than they are. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 7:37 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Some time last fall or very early this year, i saw a picture on the net, and the bosy design was of a much bigger camera then we have now. Maybe they changed the design or it was just a first run mock up. Never know i quess. I was just interested in something to replace the D2H and use Pentax. I like the bigger bodies is all.:-) Dave Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. I'm not disappointed by the price positioning. Rather pleased in fact. Surprised, but pleased. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:06 AM, John Celio wrote: Thats all. $900. $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK II etc. This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos from PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger *istD. You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to pretend it's like those other cameras. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer market? How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside from a few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be buying Samsung cameras and lenses. Dave, the disappointed, Brooks Should I send a whmbulance? John Celio ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the K10D... -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds Subject: Re: K10D - More News While you're right that pro representation is slim, your store doesn't have the glass because your store didn't order the glass -- end of story. Call them up and check on availability. What they don't have in stock can be brought in from Japan (or the Philippines, where apparently they're doing warehousing as well) fairly quickly. I'm not saying your store should stock Pentax FA* glass -- I'm just saying they could if they wanted to. They could stock it, but it most likely would sit on the shelf till hell freezes over or the Rolling Stones play two shows in Regina, Saskatchewan. Oops, that's already happenning. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D - More News [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere around there. That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because it isn't priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my standard. Specifications are cheap to produce.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Headers and all? :) Seriously though... I don't consider the lack of a full-frame sensor to be a horrendously big deal at this point in time. The bread-and-butter for Pentax pretty much has to be the mid-range. Having a full-frame sensor is inherently quite expensive... especially for a company that relies on third parties to produce them. Having lower noise, higher ISO, and more megapixels I think is the way to improve things at the moment. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: John Celio Subject: Re: K10D - More News Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? You are still a relative newcomer. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: K10D - More News Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! After getting pissed on for compromising K/M lens usability? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. Actually, they did say that they were building a semi-pro digital camera in the $2000 segment. They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Mercy, Gentlemen! I was actually thinking of a more pixel rich sensor. The symbolic name, K1D happened to come from someones earlier speculative post which, for some reason, didn't seem to stir such disgust. Never mind! Get some rest. Jack --- Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:43 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so many lenses for it. If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I have no doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no developments to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Actually, I totally agree, Paul. I miss-spoke by using the term larger sensor. What I was 'thinking'(?) was a more highly pixel packed sensor. No way would I consider waiting for a 35mm sensor from Pentax. Appreciate your thoughts. Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That thought crossed my mind as well. But I think any further upgrade is at least a year away. I'll by the K10. If we get a K1 down the road, I'll sell my other D and pick up one of those. I do need two cameras. Don't expect a larger sensor in any Pentax camera other than the 645D. The lens lineup shows a commitment to APS-C. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:17 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. I don't need two. Learned that from my wife. :-( Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:02:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere around there. That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because it isn't priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
To sell more lenses obviously. Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:43 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so many lenses for it. If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I have no doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no developments to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
It's a marketing thing. Establish a market, then float a new and improved version, relegating the 'old' to the equivalent of brand X. I'm not contending that this ploy is, necessarily, in motion at this point, but... Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: K10D - More News Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! After getting pissed on for compromising K/M lens usability? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Yep, if he stays long enough he'll no longer be being driven nuts, he will be nuts. (Lots of bes there). William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Celio Subject: Re: K10D - More News Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? You are still a relative newcomer. William Robb -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Well said! Jack --- Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Chipmunk Flare
nice capture Jack, it makes me lol russell On 8/4/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all about a cute accident. At Bryce Canyon, UT, several years back, my wife was 'playing' with a chipmunk by placing bits of Ritz crackers on a pine root. (Probably a Chipmunk nutritional NO NO). It would dart out and promptly vaporize. I took a few shots and, when processed, was surprised by this reminder of the gymnastic floor exercise move known as a flare. Hence, the title. This image is an extremely small part of the frame and not quite a solid freeze. Jack Comments welcome http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=158 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Would they all of the new lenses be rendered useless? If they were wouldn't that create a market for the line of reformulated and re packaged DFA lenses that have full frame 35mm coverage. Is anyone asking for the same sensor density that the current cameras have to keep digital noise under control truly expecting a full frame camera any time soon? I know I'm not, but I'm not sanguine about the future based on reviews of the Sony Alpha and the Nikon D200 both of which use the same, or similar sensor. Rob Studdert did a masterful analysis of why noise levels would increase as sensor densities increased a couple of years ago. Maybe he'll repost it. That's why at this point I'd like to see a larger sensor. Physics is working against the APS-C sensor as densities get higher, and it can only get worse. Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:43 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so many lenses for it. If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I have no doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no developments to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. But only two batteries. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely missed it. Thanks, Jack --- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. But only two batteries. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Chipmunk Flare
I know. The luck of it makes me laugh. When the mirror returned, there was nothing. Thought I might have a fur streak. Thanks. Jack --- Russell Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nice capture Jack, it makes me lol russell On 8/4/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all about a cute accident. At Bryce Canyon, UT, several years back, my wife was 'playing' with a chipmunk by placing bits of Ritz crackers on a pine root. (Probably a Chipmunk nutritional NO NO). It would dart out and promptly vaporize. I took a few shots and, when processed, was surprised by this reminder of the gymnastic floor exercise move known as a flare. Hence, the title. This image is an extremely small part of the frame and not quite a solid freeze. Jack Comments welcome http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=158 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
especially for a company that relies on third parties to produce them. -Cory Having a shring ressources on lens development with a third party isn't the same as relying on a third party for lens development IMO. Other brands have been rebadging lenses quite a bit (Nikon, KM, Sony, Panasonic and all) and Pentax is cooperating with Tokina not stupidly rebadging them. -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D - More News [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere around there. That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because it isn't priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my standard. Specifications are cheap to produce.. William Robb Pentax seems to have done well with the DL build-wise. It's certainly better built than an XT or the lower-end Oly's while being cheaper too. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
I don't remember where I read it, but it was supposed to be ~3fps 10 frames Jpeg, ~3fps 5 frames raw. Since I might have seen that here you can make your own judgment. Jack Davis wrote: Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely missed it. Thanks, Jack --- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. But only two batteries. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
FA* 200mm f4 Macro??
G'day All, This is a bit of a hail Mary, but have any of you come across the above mentioned lens for sale? I realise that it's been discontinued, but I have been hoping there may be a few units still floating around. I've been pulling what's left of my hair out trying to track one down, but so far no luck. TIA, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
HECK!! Well, since you may have seen it here, I'll continue to hope for more. :) Thanks, Jack --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't remember where I read it, but it was supposed to be ~3fps 10 frames Jpeg, ~3fps 5 frames raw. Since I might have seen that here you can make your own judgment. Jack Davis wrote: Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely missed it. Thanks, Jack --- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. But only two batteries. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
William Robb wrote: My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my standard. Bravo. Exactly right. They proved with the ist-D that people will pay around $1500 if the quality is there. Specifications are cheap to produce.. Quote file 2006. :) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
William Robb wrote: From: Mark Roberts Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! After getting pissed on for compromising K/M lens usability? Yes, definitely. Since they've gotten away with compromising K/M lens usability they will be less tentative in the future. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
That's why at this point I'd like to see a larger sensor. Physics is working against the APS-C sensor as densities get higher, and it can only get worse. There is room to grow. Take a look at the Fuji F30. Sensor is a tiny 7.6 x 5.7 mm with 6.3 Mega pixels. APS size equivalent would be about 46 Mega pixels. Useable ISO 1600 with noisy ISO 3200. Ya I know there is lots of in camera noise reduction and some image quality problems but still most images look just fine. http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/fujifinepixf30_samples/ Powell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Simple Nature Shot
Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to look: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm Comments welcome. -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Beaver Dam
This is shot with the dam just about eye level. You can see the water backed up behind the dam in the upper section and the water down below coming out of the dam in the lower section. Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm, handheld ISO 800, 1/90 sec @ f/11 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3268.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Here is my simple take on it: I love the *istD - but it could have a few improvements. More megapixels, bigger buffer - slightly faster frame rate. Better handling of TTL Flash (no pre-flashing crap though). I like the current ergonomics with two dials and the grip. I love HyperManual. So if the K10D can be basically an *IstD with my few improvements, then I'm sure I will buy one fairly quickly after it is for sale. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, August 5, 2006, 8:51:46 AM, you wrote: PJA I don't remember where I read it, but it was supposed to be ~3fps 10 PJA frames Jpeg, ~3fps 5 frames raw. Since I might have seen that here you PJA can make your own judgment. PJA Jack Davis wrote: Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely missed it. Thanks, Jack --- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. But only two batteries. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com PJA -- PJA When you're worried or in doubt, PJARun in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb wrote: My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my standard. Bravo. Exactly right. They proved with the ist-D that people will pay around $1500 if the quality is there. For one who has not yet made a jump to the *ist side, are you telling me that when all the follow-up family members of the *istD's are considered, the *istD is still top of the line in build and finish? Thanks, keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Headers and all? :) Seriously though... I don't consider the lack of a full-frame sensor to be a horrendously big deal at this point in time. [ ... ] Having lower noise, higher ISO, and more megapixels I think is the way to improve things at the moment. Yes, but a larger sensor is a way to get all that. Beyond a certain point that may not be too far away, it is the only way - unless someone designs a sensor based on technology fundamentally different from the current silicon-based stuff. - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: just in case you thought you were going to see me in the media....
at the US Scrabble Open in Phoenix - alas, I'm missing that one -- the first Nationals I haven't attended either as a word judge, photographer or player since 1980. It feels odd. To make up for it, I have a session today with G.I. Joels older bro, Larry - who decided not to go to the SHOW either. The attendance is down by about 200 - partly, I think, because Phoenix is so hot and partly because the Biltmore is damned expensive. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FA* 200mm f4 Macro??
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: FA* 200mm f4 Macro?? G'day All, This is a bit of a hail Mary, but have any of you come across the above mentioned lens for sale? I realise that it's been discontinued, but I have been hoping there may be a few units still floating around. I've been pulling what's left of my hair out trying to track one down, but so far no luck. Sucks to be you, don't it? WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: PESO - Simple Nature Shot Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to look: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm Comments welcome. GAAH. http://pug.komkon.org/01jan/lastapple.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
John Celio wrote: Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so many lenses for it. This is also something there has been a bit of speculation on, isn't it? I don't think we strictly speaking know that those lenses were designed for the APS-C format only. I guess it is implied that none of the DA lenses where meant to cover the full 35mm format, but Pentax may still have made some of them with a somewhat larger sensor, like the 1.3x crop one there have also been rumours about, in mind. - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FA* 200mm f4 Macro??
On 8/6/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage I've been pulling what's left of my hair out trying to track one down, but so far no luck. Sucks to be you, don't it? WW Cheeky bugger :-) Generally it doesn't. What sucks is being a Pentax user who can't get his hands on the kit he wants. F@king Pentax. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
- Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: K10D - More News For one who has not yet made a jump to the *ist side, are you telling me that when all the follow-up family members of the *istD's are considered, the *istD is still top of the line in build and finish? The istD is gorgeous. The DS/DL/ etc. are merely nice. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FA* 200mm f4 Macro??
Hi, Look more close and who knows? Manuel -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de David Savage Enviada: sábado, 5 de Agosto de 2006 16:47 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Assunto: FA* 200mm f4 Macro?? G'day All, This is a bit of a hail Mary, but have any of you come across the above mentioned lens for sale? I realise that it's been discontinued, but I have been hoping there may be a few units still floating around. I've been pulling what's left of my hair out trying to track one down, but so far no luck. TIA, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! After getting pissed on for compromising K/M lens usability? If Pentax were to introduce a larger sensor with the same pixel density as the current one, the lenses would give an output just as good as on the current bodies. You just crop off what's outside the area not covered by the lens... Like somebody else mentioned, the body might conceivably do this automatically. And it's been argued in the past that we don't know if the current lenses support a higher density sensor that well, either... Also, as I sort of mentioned elsewhere on this thread, it's been reported that at least some of the DA lenses actually cover a larger area than APS-C, although perhaps not quite the full 35mm format. (Might this be due to a conscious design decision by Pentax engineers?) - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FA* 200mm f4 Macro??
Sorry Dave, I thought I red A*. Manuel -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de David Savage Enviada: sábado, 5 de Agosto de 2006 16:47 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Assunto: FA* 200mm f4 Macro?? G'day All, This is a bit of a hail Mary, but have any of you come across the above mentioned lens for sale? I realise that it's been discontinued, but I have been hoping there may be a few units still floating around. I've been pulling what's left of my hair out trying to track one down, but so far no luck. TIA, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot
The poor thing made me smile. :) Like it. Somewhat due to it's placement in the frame. Love the bokeh. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: PESO - Simple Nature Shot Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to look: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm Comments welcome. GAAH. http://pug.komkon.org/01jan/lastapple.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot
grin - you lost me on that comment and picture - are you saying you love mine and yours, love mine-hate yours, love yours-hate mine, or hate all these kind of shots? -- Bruce Saturday, August 5, 2006, 10:11:15 AM, you wrote: WR - Original Message - WR From: Bruce Dayton WR Subject: PESO - Simple Nature Shot Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to look: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm Comments welcome. WR GAAH. WR http://pug.komkon.org/01jan/lastapple.html WR William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
A mildly amusing photograph
...or perhaps it's just me. Taken with my phonecam http://www.web-options.com/IMAGE_00020a.jpg -- Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Be glad you don't have my cel-phone, Keith. The one thing it lacks is a ring tone that sounds like a telephone, I keep looking around for the guy who has his walkman turned up so loud, and miss my calls. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- keith_w wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it just adds to the feature list. The length of the manual explaining all the features in the *ist-Ds sent Ann running back to a Canon ZLR when she rightfully belongs in the Pentax fold. I wonder how many other people are more intimidated than enticed by huge numbers of features. Count me in! (Hi Ann!) keith whaley I'm the same way when it comes to late model cell phones. Can't I just get one that reliably reaches wherever I want to call, and doesn't dump me half way thru? Can't I get one that doesn't have a digicam, a calendar, a set of board games included, multiple wallpaper screens, WiFi, a choice of 2 dozen ring tones? Just a damned phone, please? Phat chance... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Me! Especially because all those features just do something I already know how to do myself. You can read a 12 page camera manual and a 200 page book on photography; or you can read a 200 page camera manual, and a 200 page book on photography, so you know when to turn on those hundreds of features. Four controls and a bit of knowledge, or 100's of controls you can not use without that knowledge anyway. Of course if you know nothing, 100 features sounds more impressive than 4 basic controls, doesn't it? I have come to the conclusion that cameras are no longer made for photographers. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it just adds to the feature list. The length of the manual explaining all the features in the *ist-Ds sent Ann running back to a Canon ZLR when she rightfully belongs in the Pentax fold. I wonder how many other people are more intimidated than enticed by huge numbers of features. Aaron Reynolds wrote: I also will not use this feature -- but since a simple change to a preference setting will cause the switch to behave as a regular DOF preview, just like on the old bodies, I see no reason to complain about it. -Aaron -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 4:07 pm Size: 4K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some will disagree. Tom C wrote: I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light through the viewfinder. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many features to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the likely target audience. More like, what can we implement cheaply to set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of my Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it gets. First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still so much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to hurry up and get here! Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a damn good price. The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining doubters can relax now. Remember in the PMA photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the camera? It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function will be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 , 210,000 pixels The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by much. I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new images. The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at PMA. I couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the same sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, portrait, night scene, etc). DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does this on the
Re: K10D - More News
P. J. Alling wrote: [ ... ] Rob Studdert did a masterful analysis of why noise levels would increase as sensor densities increased a couple of years ago. Maybe he'll repost it. I'm not Rob, but... It's really very simple: When the sensor elements get smaller, obviously less light will hit each of them during an exposure. This means that the electric signals representing the pixels get weaker, and the noise will be more significant in comparison. (The noise does not change, at least not significantly, with the element size.) - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A mildly amusing photograph
On Aug 5, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Bob W wrote: ...or perhaps it's just me. Taken with my phonecam http://www.web-options.com/IMAGE_00020a.jpg I'm not entirely certain I understand it, but visually it's fun. :-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot
As always, very nicely done. Godfrey On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
The Fuji may be using a lot of post processing to clear the noise. I'm speaking of clean output from the sensor, not programming to clean up afterward. The sensor sites are just too small to capture enough light. I'm not going to do the math and repeat what's already in the archives you can look it up for yourself. Powell Hargrave wrote: That's why at this point I'd like to see a larger sensor. Physics is working against the APS-C sensor as densities get higher, and it can only get worse. There is room to grow. Take a look at the Fuji F30. Sensor is a tiny 7.6 x 5.7 mm with 6.3 Mega pixels. APS size equivalent would be about 46 Mega pixels. Useable ISO 1600 with noisy ISO 3200. Ya I know there is lots of in camera noise reduction and some image quality problems but still most images look just fine. http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/fujifinepixf30_samples/ Powell -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:46 AM, keith_w wrote: For one who has not yet made a jump to the *ist side, are you telling me that when all the follow-up family members of the *istD's are considered, the *istD is still top of the line in build and finish? I find it rather difficult to make that assessment until we see the K10D for real rather than in fervid imaginations. The *ist DS is not up to the materials and build quality of my Canon 10D, but then again it's 30% smaller, half the weight, and works better. Unlike some others, I prefer a smaller, lighter camera that produces excellent results. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Chipmunk Flare
This image is an extremely small part of the frame and not quite a solid freeze. Still, a cute capture. Well done Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: Chipmunk Flare This is all about a cute accident. At Bryce Canyon, UT, several years back, my wife was 'playing' with a chipmunk by placing bits of Ritz crackers on a pine root. (Probably a Chipmunk nutritional NO NO). It would dart out and promptly vaporize. I took a few shots and, when processed, was surprised by this reminder of the gymnastic floor exercise move known as a flare. Hence, the title. This image is an extremely small part of the frame and not quite a solid freeze. Jack Comments welcome http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=158 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
My camera store, Camera Mart, which rarely handles Pentax, has the K100D in stock, along with a fairly decent selection of DA lenses, including the 12-24, the 10-17 fish, the 16-45, 50-200 and 50 macro. Not bad for Pentax deniers. They said they expect to have the K10D by the end of September, and they're excited. Two great cameras, each at a great price is what the counter guy said. I played with the K100D. It felt good. I've never touched a DS or DL, but I think the K100D is pretty close to the *istD in build quality. Yeah, it feels a bit less meaty, but certainly not plastic-like. The difference might be just a matter of size and weight. The knobs and finish are all very good. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Thibouille wrote: especially for a company that relies on third parties to produce them. -Cory Having a shring ressources on lens development with a third party isn't the same as relying on a third party for lens development IMO. Other brands have been rebadging lenses quite a bit (Nikon, KM, Sony, Panasonic and all) and Pentax is cooperating with Tokina not stupidly rebadging them. -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
There are a few small problems with the mechanics of the *ist-D but comparing it to the Ds, in my opinion it is. On the other hand I grab the DS more often than the D these days. The buffer is just enough faster to tip the balance as to which I would have with me. keith_w wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb wrote: My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my standard. Bravo. Exactly right. They proved with the ist-D that people will pay around $1500 if the quality is there. For one who has not yet made a jump to the *ist side, are you telling me that when all the follow-up family members of the *istD's are considered, the *istD is still top of the line in build and finish? Thanks, keith -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Toralf Lund wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: [ ... ] Rob Studdert did a masterful analysis of why noise levels would increase as sensor densities increased a couple of years ago. Maybe he'll repost it. I'm not Rob, but... It's really very simple: When the sensor elements get smaller, obviously less light will hit each of them during an exposure. And, I should perhaps add, each will have a lower capacity for storing electric charges as (you might say) there are fewer electrons around when there area is smaller... - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot
Not your best, but a good one. The backlight saves it. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to look: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm Comments welcome. -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
I think this ignores the axiom about the price of technology. It never increases. I would bet we'll get D quality in the 10. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb wrote: My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my standard. Bravo. Exactly right. They proved with the ist-D that people will pay around $1500 if the quality is there. Specifications are cheap to produce.. Quote file 2006. :) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Yes I know it's really very simple, but it's actually worse than that, since we're getting to the level where quanta live. Toralf Lund wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: [ ... ] Rob Studdert did a masterful analysis of why noise levels would increase as sensor densities increased a couple of years ago. Maybe he'll repost it. I'm not Rob, but... It's really very simple: When the sensor elements get smaller, obviously less light will hit each of them during an exposure. This means that the electric signals representing the pixels get weaker, and the noise will be more significant in comparison. (The noise does not change, at least not significantly, with the element size.) - Toralf -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Quoting Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. Actually, they did say that they were building a semi-pro digital camera in the $2000 segment. They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). Thats what i was commenting on. I remember Pentax talkingh about that, and i'm pretty sure i saw a mock up of it. So i'm not going nuts.:-) Dave Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: just in case you thought you were going to see me in the media....
Of course the Biltmore is a Frank Lloyd Wright masterpiece, so it's worth a visit. But I understand the reluctance to fork over the cash. Can't say that I would either if they were having a convention of '55 Chevy owners or Pentax photographers:-) Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: at the US Scrabble Open in Phoenix - alas, I'm missing that one -- the first Nationals I haven't attended either as a word judge, photographer or player since 1980. It feels odd. To make up for it, I have a session today with G.I. Joels older bro, Larry - who decided not to go to the SHOW either. The attendance is down by about 200 - partly, I think, because Phoenix is so hot and partly because the Biltmore is damned expensive. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
What time and life does...
http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060805182744 That's what time does to a man or a woman. Remember peach? This could happen to her too, but I like this picture in a way. Comments welcome. -- home http://roman.blakout.net/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Polar Pivot
Took awhile to determine what I was actually looking at. Why such a large file - 523kb - for web posting? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: PESO: Polar Pivot My earlier Chipmunk Flare upload didn't incite a lot of activity, but I stubbornly press on. Here's another kind of unusual critter pic. Shot a Sacramento's Land Park Zoo, a few hot summers back. I watched him/her dive into the pool and come up spinning off the water. Finally decided I'd try to catch the action. A*300 f2.8, LX on sturdy tripod. Film unknown at this moment. Pls let me know if this or other of my files are difficult to handle. Thanks. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=160 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul. If we ever get a chance to meet up, GFM next year.???I'll bring the D2H and or the D200 and grip or D1 and put the 70-200 and 80-200 on them. You'll definatly notice the difference in the two systems, carring them around tour neck. VBG Dave Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Dave, The big body you saw was probably the 645D. I'm not a fan of tiny bodies either, but the D with the grip fits me well enough. Plus, when I have two of them hanging around my neck packed with 16 batteries, I'm happy that they aren't any larger or heavier than they are. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 7:37 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Some time last fall or very early this year, i saw a picture on the net, and the bosy design was of a much bigger camera then we have now. Maybe they changed the design or it was just a first run mock up. Never know i quess. I was just interested in something to replace the D2H and use Pentax. I like the bigger bodies is all.:-) Dave Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. I'm not disappointed by the price positioning. Rather pleased in fact. Surprised, but pleased. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:06 AM, John Celio wrote: Thats all. $900. $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK II etc. This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos from PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger *istD. You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to pretend it's like those other cameras. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer market? How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside from a few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be buying Samsung cameras and lenses. Dave, the disappointed, Brooks Should I send a whmbulance? John Celio ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the K10D... -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Beaver Dam
Too much contrast to pull this off. Makes me want to see the darkened areas. Also why the inclusion of the blank sky reflection? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: PESO - Beaver Dam This is shot with the dam just about eye level. You can see the water backed up behind the dam in the upper section and the water down below coming out of the dam in the lower section. Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm, handheld ISO 800, 1/90 sec @ f/11 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3268.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot
Nice subject, focus, lighting DOF. Love the backlighting also. Wished it weren't so centered. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Simple Nature Shot Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to look: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm Comments welcome. -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Paul Stenquist wrote: I think this ignores the axiom about the price of technology. It never increases. I would bet we'll get D quality in the 10. I've never seen that hold true in terms of mechanical construction... but I'll cross my fingers this time :) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A mildly amusing photograph
Bob W wrote: ...or perhaps it's just me. Taken with my phonecam http://www.web-options.com/IMAGE_00020a.jpg Next time you're there nick the sign for me - I want it to display here :) (And, no, I won't make my own. It just wouldn't be the same.) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Polar Pivot
I forget a lot things I didn't used to. Geezer syndrome. :-( Failed to save for web. Sorry. Otherwise?? Jack --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Took awhile to determine what I was actually looking at. Why such a large file - 523kb - for web posting? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: PESO: Polar Pivot My earlier Chipmunk Flare upload didn't incite a lot of activity, but I stubbornly press on. Here's another kind of unusual critter pic. Shot a Sacramento's Land Park Zoo, a few hot summers back. I watched him/her dive into the pool and come up spinning off the water. Finally decided I'd try to catch the action. A*300 f2.8, LX on sturdy tripod. Film unknown at this moment. Pls let me know if this or other of my files are difficult to handle. Thanks. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=160 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A mildly amusing photograph
Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: ...or perhaps it's just me. Taken with my phonecam http://www.web-options.com/IMAGE_00020a.jpg Next time you're there nick the sign for me - I want it to display here :) (And, no, I won't make my own. It just wouldn't be the same.) I know exactly what you mean. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Dave. Please. Lets not rush to judgement pal... CW ;) - Original Message - From: David J Brooks So i'm not going nuts.:-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot grin - you lost me on that comment and picture - are you saying you love mine and yours, love mine-hate yours, love yours-hate mine, or hate all these kind of shots? Been there, done that, lost the T-shirt. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: K10D - More News I think this ignores the axiom about the price of technology. It never increases. I would bet we'll get D quality in the 10. This may be true for technolgy, but not machinery. A camera is a machine. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1. Lots of filters 72mm - C-Pl 67mm - Sky, Orange, 812 62mm - C-Pl 58mm - Orange, Yellow 55mm - Sky, Yellow, Red 52mm - Red, C-Pl, Pl 49mm - Green, Pl, Soft (B+W) Mostly Tiffen and Promaster. All in very clean, excellent condition. In cases. $25 shipped. 2. LOTS of Old Travel Slides Certainly a couple of thousand +. I was going to start a stock business, but haven't had the time. So they're for sale. In trays, both the old brick style and some carousel. European travels and lots of others, I don't remember what else. $50 $30 shipping. PayPal preferred. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl http://www.brendemuehl.net He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D - More News
My mobile phone has a ringtone that's like an old-fashioned phone with a bell - so it sounds like Sam Spade's office when it rings. But I still miss most of my calls because I'm so deaf that when it rings it takes me forever to realise it's my phone. I can hear something, but I'm thinking What the hell is that noise? Where's it coming from?. On the rare occasions when I do hear it in time, the bell is so old-fashioned that I want to answer Gerrard 600. Would you the line, please caller, while I connect you in a plummy voice. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 05 August 2006 19:33 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K10D - More News Be glad you don't have my cel-phone, Keith. The one thing it lacks is a ring tone that sounds like a telephone, I keep looking around for the guy who has his walkman turned up so loud, and miss my calls. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What time and life does...
On Aug 5, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Roman wrote: http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060805182744 That's what time does to a man or a woman. Remember peach? This could happen to her too, but I like this picture in a way. I'm not sure what you're implying in the text above. This is a beautiful photo of a wonderful face. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What time and life does...
Kinda what I was thinking... - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi I'm not sure what you're implying in the text above. This is a beautiful photo of a wonderful face. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
On 4/8/06, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: $900 bucks is pretty cheap for that kind of camera, so again, i'm missing something in the loop here. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. That'll be the K1D. Ain't gonna happen :-( -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
On 5/8/06, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Paul. If we ever get a chance to meet up, GFM next year.???I'll bring the D2H and or the D200 and grip or D1 and put the 70-200 and 80-200 on them. You'll definatly notice the difference in the two systems, carring them around tour neck. I'll be there and I'll raise you another D2H, a pair of 80-200s, *and* a sack of potatoes against the 1DmII and 70-200. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: More Baby Pictures
Not my favorite breed, but they are lovely additions never the less. :-) Dave When I built my house, I was trying to keep photo quality lighting in mind. These two pictures were shot available light in my living room. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/jester/page2/ William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Cotty wrote: David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: $900 bucks is pretty cheap for that kind of camera, so again, i'm missing something in the loop here. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. That'll be the K1D. Ain't gonna happen :-( It happened before: When the ist-D was introduced it was directly competitive with the Nikon D100 and Canon 10D. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What time and life does...
On 5/8/06, Roman, discombobulated, unleashed: http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060805182744 That's what time does to a man or a woman. Remember peach? This could happen to her too, but I like this picture in a way. Comments welcome. GREAT shot. Too much headroom, needs a trim. Well done Roman. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Having lower noise, higher ISO, and more megapixels I think is the way to improve things at the moment. Yes, but a larger sensor is a way to get all that. Beyond a certain point that may not be too far away, it is the only way - unless someone designs a sensor based on technology fundamentally different from the current silicon-based stuff. - Toralf Quite true. BUT, as it has been pointed out before, the normal Moore's law doesn't apply to camera sensors since the physical laws of optics are already limiting the performance. The silicon cannot simply get smaller to make it cheaper silicon fab is the most cost sensitive to chip area. Full-frame is *huge* for a silicon fab... so will likely always be expensive. ... unless like you say there's a fundamental shift in the technology to make it. Maybe there is a market for a $2-4K full-frame Pentax camera. I think they'll need to concentrate on keeping up with brand CN for awhile though rather than do RD on a niche product. Of course then there's the 645D :) -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Bob W wrote: My mobile phone has a ringtone that's like an old-fashioned phone with a bell - so it sounds like Sam Spade's office when it rings. But I still miss most of my calls because I'm so deaf that when it rings it takes me forever to realise it's my phone. I can hear something, but I'm thinking What the hell is that noise? Where's it coming from?. While I CAN understand that, I prefer to activate the vibrator, that buzzes at me, whenever I'm in public. Instead of yelling Get your danged phone! at me, they smile, and point at my waist and mimic holding up a phone. They just assume that yelling at a DEEF person wouldn't help much, and shift gears to reasonable people! On the rare occasions when I do hear it in time, the bell is so old-fashioned that I want to answer Gerrard 600. Would you the line, please caller, while I connect you in a plummy voice. -- Cheers, Bob I notice that you're even missing words now, Bob! Thing is, I don't know how to put words on vibrate! Anyhow, no problem here! I know about that too! ;-) keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
