Moiré (was: Re: Show in Japan)

[Dario Bonazza]

Rob,

So, what do you think of Leica's missing anti-alias filter, replaced by 
anti-moire processing?

Dario

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> On 18/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Aha...yes I see some colour lines there, but you really have to be 
>> looking right up
>> close to spot it.  I can't see that bothering me.
>
> It may be quite annoying to me, I shoot do shoot fabrics under
> controlled lighting,. It's an indication that the selected AA filter
> isn't doing what it's supposed to do. The problem is near impossible
> to remedy in post processing as it's an optical effect therefore can't
> be readily distinguished from wanted information.
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Re: High ISO Images

[David Savage]

At 01:26 PM 18/10/2006, Doug Brewer  wrote:
>Good grief, it's a freakin camera. It's not like it's the cure for
>cancer.


I've got my suspicions that the EM field given off by the shake reduction 
system could cause cancer.

Which, IMO, is an even better reason not to get the K10D.



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Re: High ISO Images

[Doug Brewer]

Well, the first thing we need to do is panic.

After that, let's catch our collective breath and realize that Pentax  
has been putting out cameras for a number of years, and every one of  
those cameras has been able to take usable photos. They've had three  
years since the istD came out to continue working on this digital  
thing, and chances are they have again produced a camera that can  
take usable photos.

Honestly, I can't see the logic in squeezing every possible worry out  
of a few shots taken with pre-production firmware. For that matter,  
what's the point of =hoping= to be disappointed in the camera before  
it even hits the streets?

All this wailing and hand-wringing takes entirely too much energy.  
Good grief, it's a freakin camera. It's not like it's the cure for  
cancer.

Tell ya what I plan to do. I plan to get hold of the K10D, look it  
over, run it through some field tests, and decide what I like and  
don't like about it. Then I'll decide if what I don't like about it  
outweighs what I do like about it, and go from there. It's likely  
that there will be some things about the camera that I find odd, but  
I also expect that it, like most every Pentax I've used, will  
probably be easy to figure out, and I'll adjust to any oddities.

Now, say I don't like the camera. I guess it's possible. After all, I  
never got along with the Super Program. But if I do, I'll express my  
displeasure, and shoot with something else.

And get on with my life.

Doug Brewer
http://www.drivingtheflies.com



On Oct 17, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

>
> What's going on here?
>
> Joe

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High ISO Images (Now Moire)

[Joseph Tainter]

Follow-up: I thought maybe I could post an image showing the problem. I 
can get the moire to show up in these images. But if I change the size 
of the image onscreen, the moire comes and goes. So I still don't know 
whether the problem comes from my display or the camera. But I never saw 
this with my *ist D.

Joe

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High ISO Images

[Joseph Tainter]

Joe,

How are you viewing them?  The particular viewer/screen combination
when you are viewing at less than 1:1 can produce the effect even
though it is not inherent in the image.  Perhaps the higher pixel
count in the images makes it happen more often on your setup than your
*istD.

Certain things I have shot will do that when viewing smaller than 1:1
on my system, with my *istD.  The easy way to tell is to keep changing
the viewing size and see if it persists.

Am I making sense?

-- 
Bruce

-

You are making sense, Bruce. Perhaps it is the higher pixel count of the 
camera that makes this happen. I posted another message about it.

Thanks for the advice.

Joe

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Re: High ISO Images

[Bruce Dayton]

Joe,

How are you viewing them?  The particular viewer/screen combination
when you are viewing at less than 1:1 can produce the effect even
though it is not inherent in the image.  Perhaps the higher pixel
count in the images makes it happen more often on your setup than your
*istD.

Certain things I have shot will do that when viewing smaller than 1:1
on my system, with my *istD.  The easy way to tell is to keep changing
the viewing size and see if it persists.

Am I making sense?

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Tuesday, October 17, 2006, 8:49:29 PM, you wrote:

JT> Links here:

JT> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=20503865

JT> The usual caveats apply. It is firmware version 0.20--but then so were
JT> the high ISO prints that Pentax just showed. Perhaps more importantly,
JT> we don't know what the hardware was--experimental or final.

JT> When I give these a quick-and-dirty sharpening using nik Sharpener Pro,
JT> I see pronounced moire patterns in the rug. This is on each image. Can
JT> anyone else duplicate this? (I downloaded the jpegs, by the way, since I
JT> am working here on a dial-up connection. There are also DNGs.)

JT> This moire business is starting to get my attention. Four K10D images
JT> downloaded today, four images producing noticeable moire. I don't see
JT> such problems with images from my *istD.

JT> What's going on here?

JT> Joe




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Re: GESO: Speaking of Ducks (Gang Rape)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/9/2006 10:58:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gang rape - that's what this is!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594320086680/

(sorry if I posted this before)

Regards

Jens Bladt
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Sorry, Jens, been avoiding this post and thread because of the gang rape in 
the title. Since I had a girl friend that happened to in college, I can't find 
it funny in any way.

Marnie aka Doe  So I have not looked.

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Re: High ISO Images

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/17/2006 9:00:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This moire business is starting to get my attention. Four K10D images 
downloaded today, four images producing noticeable moire. I don't see 
such problems with images from my *istD.

What's going on here?

Joe
===
Maybe that's why camera delivery is delayed.

Marnie aka Doe 

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High ISO Images

[Joseph Tainter]

Links here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=20503865

The usual caveats apply. It is firmware version 0.20--but then so were 
the high ISO prints that Pentax just showed. Perhaps more importantly, 
we don't know what the hardware was--experimental or final.

When I give these a quick-and-dirty sharpening using nik Sharpener Pro, 
I see pronounced moire patterns in the rug. This is on each image. Can 
anyone else duplicate this? (I downloaded the jpegs, by the way, since I 
am working here on a dial-up connection. There are also DNGs.)

This moire business is starting to get my attention. Four K10D images 
downloaded today, four images producing noticeable moire. I don't see 
such problems with images from my *istD.

What's going on here?

Joe

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Re: PESO: steel and soccer

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/15/2006 10:27:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

> http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1706216
=
Wow!, that is truly beautiful, Ralf. One of your best. I am continuously 
amazed how you make a hunk of machinery and junk look so beautiful. I am a bit 
awed by it, actually.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Re: Some fall landscapes

[kwaller]

Great idea, but the background shoreline ruins it for me. Perhaps a higher 
perspective?

Kenneth Waller

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From: "Roman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Some fall landscapes


> http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2006&s=0&category=landscape&blog=20061017155052
>
> This is work in progress. I was looking for the spots to shoot and made
> some photos that were kind of nice to see. Now hoping for clear, sunny
> day, oh add quiet or slow wind to get perfect reflections on the water.
> What's good, is Tamron tele-lense after all these Sigma that I sold.
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Re: PESO - my first successful pano stitch

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/14/2006 2:47:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This was a series of four shots that ended up being my first successful pano 
stitch.  I'd been trying for ages with different software to get a good 
stitch and hadn't had any success.  This series of shots had everything 
going against them; rippling water, clouds, foreground detail and far 
distance and they were hand held.  I was absolutely stoked when I ran them 
through Auto Pano Pro and got this result.  I've had it printed at a photo 
lab roughly 12" by 4" (just my estimate) and you can't see the stitching 
points.  Shot with the *istDL and Sigma 18-50 cheapo lens.

http://tinyurl.com/ydxkl9

Comments welcome as always.

James 

Well done. The post is annoying, but not much you could do about it.

Sharp, good composition, water is a beautiful color, and I really like the 
clouds.

Marnie aka Doe  Too bad you can't clone the post out. :-)

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USB-rechargeable battery

[John Celio]

I think it's a nifty idea:

http://www.crowdstorm.com/USBCELL_Rechargeable_NiMH_AA_Batteries+1960.html


Question: if they came out with sufficient power capacity (say, 2400mAh), 
would you buy them?


I can think of some drawbacks:
- Not enough USB ports
- Size of battery cylinder could block other USB ports on computer or hub
- May not be chargeable in a normal AA battery charger, if computer is 
unavailable

Any other thoughts?

John Celio

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Re: PESO: Morning Cloud

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/16/2006 6:46:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Spent the weekend up in Grand Marais, MN for an annual "ride for  
pancakes" motorcycle trip.

Cold, snow, rain and wind made for a less-than-stellar riding  
situation, but the countryside was as beautiful as ever.

Photo: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_pancake_run/pages/ 
page_12.html

or horizontal: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_pancake_run/ 
pages/page_13.html

..and before anyone mentions it: Yes, I can see that I have crap on  
my sensor.  Gonna take care of that this evening... (sigh)

  -Charles
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No longer there.

Marnie aka Doe :-(

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Re: PESO: Re: Fungi on dead wood, reprise

[kwaller]

Jan, all are an improvement on the initial post, but the first three need 
less depth of field-the backgrounds as is are somewhat distracting.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Re: PESO: Re: Fungi on dead wood, reprise


> Hi Adam,
>
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:27:09 -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>>
>>Without a full domain, we won't be able to reach your gallery.
>
> Yes, saw that just after sending it :-(
>
> http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?list=8
>
> Regards, JvW
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Re: PESO - Golden Eagle

[kwaller]

A beautiful portrait of a magnificent bird.
Great exposure detail & background.
If it were mine, I'd crop square to eliminate some of the lower portion that 
is beyond the DOF chosen.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: PESO - Golden Eagle


> Taken at the San Francisco Zoo.  Yes, it would be much cooler if I had
> hiked somewhere to find this, but I like it nonetheless.
>
> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 280mm, monopod
> ISO 400, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0288a.htm
>
> Comments welcome
>
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Re: PESO - The morning ride

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/16/2006 10:22:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Taken in San Franciso.


Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm,
ISO 200, 1/90 sec @ f/11

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3513a.htm

Comments welcome

Bruce
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Nice shot! And not your usual thing at all, well, not your three or four 
usual things.

I just wish it was less hazy, but that's SF for you. :-)

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: Lazy Sunday

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/16/2006 2:22:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi,

I took this shot 2 or 3 weeks ago. Nothing extraordinary, but I think
it has a nice atmosphere:
http://www.web-options.com/sundaypapers.jpg

It features the view of Greenwich from Island Gardens on the Isle of
Dogs. Canaletto and Turner, among others, painted this view. The round
building on the hill in the background is the old Royal Observatory,
where the prime meridian is. Sticking up between the trees on the brow
of the hill Canadians (but perhaps not Frank) will be pleased to learn
is a statue of General Wolfe of Quebec. 

The lamppost ruining the view in the foreground is by Tower Hamlets
Council. Philistines.

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Too bad the sky is so drab. 

As it loaded in my browser top to bottom, I thought, oh boring, buildings. 
Then it unfolded enough to show the old couple on the bench and I thought neat. 
Then it unfolded to show the young couple on the grass and I thought less 
neat. I suppose you have the contrast between old fashioned seating up straight 
old couple and sprawled out young couple.

Me, I'd crop the young couple off. Perverse, aren't I? To me the building and 
the old couple look like a painting, all by themselves. With the young 
couple, well, it isn't. Probably everyone else will love the contrast, so take 
with 
a grain of salt.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Re: PESO: Re: Fungi on dead wood, reprise

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/17/2006 2:33:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Without a full domain, we won't be able to reach your gallery.

Yes, saw that just after sending it :-(

http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?list=8

Regards, JvW

Backlit Fungi is nice.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Re: PESO - Cones

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/16/2006 2:50:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nothing really special here, but it appeals to me for some reason.  It
might be the lighting or composition or both, but I just like it.
Hopefully you find it appealing, too.

Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld
ISO 800, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3398.htm

Comments welcome.

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I find the shine on the upper cone (and some on the lower) distracting, 
Bruce. Not sure I can say what I mean, but the lighting/the shine make it not 
very 
effective for me. Or not as effective as it would be without it. Hope that 
computes.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Re: PESO: Fungi on dead wood

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/16/2006 11:48:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some tiny fungi I spotted today on a brach of a rotting tree ...
Nicely backlit by the sun, but not eniough of it :-)

Used some additional light from the 360FGZ, wireless.

http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?id=205

I am not totally pleased by the noise/sharpness myself
but I do like the overall look.

Comments welcome ...

Regards, JvW
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Looks a little blurry on the stems, but the main one in front looks mainly in 
focus.

I really like it!, despite some technical quibbles. I think because it is 
different and the lighting is cool.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Re: PESO - On the Web....

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/16/2006 8:52:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Check out 
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken last fall, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Comment appreciated 

Thanks in advance

Kenneth Waller

Very nice. But I think I was expecting one of the "vertical" long strands to 
line up with a corner of the frame. You know, like it is pointing to it. So 
placement of the web seems a little odd. But it's a technical nice shot. Take 
with a grain of salt.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Re: PESO - Golden Eagle

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/17/2006 2:56:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nice one, Bruce! I would like to see the back of the bird in focus as 
well, but, in a way, the sharp head and eyes kinda make up for it.

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What he said. Cool bird.

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: Readers for 4GB SDHC Cards

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I would wait to buy SDHC cards until Sandisk releases an ImageMate  
reader that explicitly supports SDHC cards.

Godfrey

On Oct 17, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Does anyone know of a card reader that will definitely handle the  
> new 4GB
> SD cards?  One that's built in  to the computer would be very nice.


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Re: Apple sells Canon

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Apple has sold Canon DSLRs for some years. I bought my 10D from the  
Apple Company Store on employee discount in 2003. They also sell  
Sony, Nikon and other digital cameras. Pentax Optios were included  
too at one point or another.

Godfrey

On Oct 17, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Tom C wrote:

> Well I guess with all the JCO controversy going on that Apple has  
> decided to
> sell the mainstream Canon as opposed to it's kin Pentax equipment. ;-)
>
> The latest Apple News e-mail I received has a subject line of the  
> "The Gear
> You Need to Take Better Photos".  It opens up with an HTML  
> advertisement
> proferring the Digital Rebel XT and Aperture, along with an Apple  
> display,
> Canon zoom, 4GB microdrives, and LaCie backup drive.
>
> With that I'd have thought they'd try to sell a notebook in the  
> same ad.
>
> Just $2717.80 + shipping to better photos.


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Re: PESO - A valley view

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/17/2006 1:41:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The trees in the foreground look a bit oversharpened 
though, lots of specular highlights jumping at you ...

Regards, JvW
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Very pretty. But I agree, the leaves in the foreground look oversharpened. 
And that is a comment I do not make often. Because the background is hazy, the 
leaves jump out too much. It would be easy to tone down, then you'd have a 
great shot.

Just my .02.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[Mat Maessen]

On 10/17/06, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
> use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
> from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
> significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
> would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  

Unless you're going for collector value, I'd look for something a bit
newer/smaller/lighter. I've got an SMC Takumar 400/5.6 (same design as
the K400/5.6), and it's quite a bit more heavy/bulky than my K-mount
Sigma 400/5.6. The Sigma has an A-series lens mount, internal
focusing, fits inside my LowePro Orion, and cost about half of what I
paid for the Takumar 400/5.6. Granted, the Tak is in damn near mint
condition...

I have no experience with other long lenses, but I imagine the APO
version of the Sigma is even better than the one I have, and probably
pretty reasonably priced. Now if you want something to beat a mugger
off with in a dark alley, the K lens might be a better practical
choice. :-)

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Re: Thoughs on lenses for K100D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'd buy it sans lens.

The Pentax FA20-35 is a superb lens and is my "standard", most used  
lens. Field of view on the DSLRs is wide to normal. Just what you  
need for the majority of your photography.
Add the FA50/1.4 and you have a perfect two lens kit ... wide to  
portrait tele.

Godfrey

On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:52 AM, Leon Altoff wrote:

> I promised my daughter at the beginning if the year that if she did
> really well in her photography class that I would buy her a digital
> SLR.  I talked to her photography teacher today and she says that my
> daughter is the best in her year.  So looks like I'm buying a K100D  
> for her.
>
> The question is what lenses to get with it.  In Australia it comes  
> with
> either a Sigma 18-50, Sigma 18-125 or Sigma 18-50 and 55-200.  The  
> first
> question is how good are these lenses?  I have the 55-200 so I know  
> how
> good it is.  What are others experiences with these lenses?.
>
> I also have a few lenses that I don't use much that I can pass down to
> her that are of better quality.  These include FA50/1.4 FA20-35/f4  
> and a
> Sigma 105/f2.8 EX macro.


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Re: Pentax Japan delays K10D release date

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about vis-a-vis the KM  
A2.
Folks who've owned one love it precisely for it's superb, direct, and  
easy to learn control layout.

Godfrey

On Oct 17, 2006, at 12:17 AM, Thibouille wrote:

> I didn't know about the E1, it seems indeed ideal.
> The KM 12 is the opposite IMO I'd prefer sticking to my D then  
> having to:
>
> 1/ Shake the camera to letit know you wanna change a setting
> 2/ Select the ISO on a selector hidden under a secret trap nobody uses
> 3/ turn the back wheel to the right, the front wheel to the left and
> push the middle button at the same time
> 4/ Go mad brcaue you realized you did a mistake and changed anothe  
> setting...
> 5/ Close the secret trap !
>
> LOL of course this is just what ythe A2 description of Godfrey is
> making me think.
> Really My D is easier :)
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Re: Digital K1000 (was Re: Pentax Japan delays K10D release date)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 16, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> I'd agree on the FM-D, even better would be a FM2-D, with the FM2's
> slightly larger size and better finder.

I used the term "FM" to indicate the Nikon FM, FM2, FE2 and FM3a  
bodies. The FM, FM2, FE2 were exactly the same size, as I recall ...  
I had both ... and used the same accessories (MD11 and MD12 motors,  
finder bits, etc). The shape of the prism housing varied just the  
slightest bit between them, that's all.

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RE: Somebody talk me out of it

[J. C. O'Connell]

Nope, unless of course he opens it to focus and closes
It to short by hand which sucks.
jco

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> If its Manual aperture, you actually get aperture preffered
> AE option and wont have to do the GB thingy in spite of the
> Fact that it's a "K" lens.

But will he get open aperture viewing?

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RE: The JCO survey

[J. C. O'Connell]

YOU are an idiot. You cant see the forest
For the trees. Canon made a bold move into
The future with the EOS mount and its part
Of the reason they are on top of the SLR
World right now. It wasn't done only to 
"Screw FD owners" like you state. Pentax
is the one screwing their customers on
the K/M thingy.
jco

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> Ive said it a dozen times, Canon HAD to drop
> FD support to dramatically improve their mount (EOS).
> Pentax DOESN'T have to drop full K/M support now at all
> Because THERE IS NO NEW MOUNT on their DSLRs or SLRS.

You can say it a dozen more times if you like, it's still wrong.
Canon chose to drop FD lens support as part of their marketing plan.
Pentax has done the same thing in relation to K/M.
The difference for the end user is that if you own a collection of FD 
lenses you are completely screwed, whereas if you wish to use K/M 
lenses, you have the option of using them.

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Re: The JCO survey

[William Robb]

Bad wording.
I seem to be having a bad day.
Anyway,

Sentence 3 should read:
 Pentax has limited the same thing in relation to K/M.

Sorry for the error, since it is well known that there is support for 
K/M lenses.

William Robb


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>
>
> You can say it a dozen more times if you like, it's still wrong.
> Canon chose to drop FD lens support as part of their marketing plan.
> Pentax has done the same thing in relation to K/M.
> The difference for the end user is that if you own a collection of FD
> lenses you are completely screwed, whereas if you wish to use K/M
> lenses, you have the option of using them.




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Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[William Robb]

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Subject: RE: Somebody talk me out of it


> If its Manual aperture, you actually get aperture preffered
> AE option and wont have to do the GB thingy in spite of the
> Fact that it's a "K" lens.

But will he get open aperture viewing?

William Robb


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Re: Thoughs on lenses for K100D

[Keith McGuinness]

> I'm thinking of a kit with the 18-125 as a general use lens, FA50/f1.4 
> for portraits and low light and Sigma 105/f2.8 EX macro for close up and 
> quality longer shots.  Any opinions?

Most pictures at the site below taken with the 18-125:
http://www.users.bigpond.com/keith.mcguinness/ph/peso/index.html
(The seagull, pelican, flower and tanks were NOT taken with the 
18-125.)

I think it's okay BUT I haven't used a lot of different lens so 
don't have the experience to offer a strong opinion.

I DO that photos taken with it lack a bit of resolution, compared 
to photos taken with my Pentax SMC-A lenses.

Some of that may be due to focus problems. I've read reports that 
it doesn't always focus correctly and that is also my impression.

Don't get me wrong. The 18-125 sits on my camera most of the time 
as my "general purpose" lens because it is light and the 18-125 
range is very handy for the type of photography that I do.

On the other hand, when I want the best quality I can possibly 
get, I usually switch to one of my SMC-A lenses, which I think 
give sharper, brighter images.

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RE: PESO - Golden Eagle

[Shel Belinkoff]

There are those who would have known regardless 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Tom C 

> Quite a nice shot, even it was in a zoo.  Shouldn't have told us!

> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0288a.htm



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Re: Show in Japan

[Doug Franklin]

Digital Image Studio wrote:
> [Moire a/k/a aliasing discussion]
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aliasing_filter

Been there, done that.  They help, but you always end up with /some/
pathological case.  Now, if you can engineer the pathological cases to
be outside the problem domain, you're set. ;-)

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Re: The JCO survey

[Paul Stenquist]

On Oct 17, 2006, at 9:37 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Ive said it a dozen times,

Actually, you've said it twenty-three times.

(Note the spiffy apostrophe.)


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Re: The JCO survey

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey


> Ive said it a dozen times, Canon HAD to drop
> FD support to dramatically improve their mount (EOS).
> Pentax DOESN'T have to drop full K/M support now at all
> Because THERE IS NO NEW MOUNT on their DSLRs or SLRS.

You can say it a dozen more times if you like, it's still wrong.
Canon chose to drop FD lens support as part of their marketing plan.
Pentax has done the same thing in relation to K/M.
The difference for the end user is that if you own a collection of FD 
lenses you are completely screwed, whereas if you wish to use K/M 
lenses, you have the option of using them.

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Re: Show in Japan

[Digital Image Studio]

On 18/10/06, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, that's it. The camera is useless.

That was one great thing about the *ist D, the AA filter seemed very
well matched to the sensor which meant that images sharpened well and
rarely suffered aliasing problems, though it didn't measure up as well
regarding resolution as some of the other cameras built around the
same sensor.

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RE: PESO - Golden Eagle

[Tom C]

Quite a nice shot, even it was in a zoo.  Shouldn't have told us!

Tom C.



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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:36:47 -0700

Taken at the San Francisco Zoo.  Yes, it would be much cooler if I had
hiked somewhere to find this, but I like it nonetheless.

Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 280mm, monopod
ISO 400, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0288a.htm

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Re: Show in Japan

[Digital Image Studio]

On 18/10/06, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I see it, for sure.  But in this case, anyway, it's only going to show
> up to "pixel peeping".  I bet if it shows up on a print, it'll be
> unnoticeable.

Some of the printing firms that I used to service were big into
printing high quality catalogues, moire at the print stage was ever a
problem when using regular screens. Most of these firms were the first
to embrace stochastic screening methods specifically to eliminate
these problems with prints of material weaves.

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RE: The JCO survey

[J. C. O'Connell]

Ive said it a dozen times, Canon HAD to drop
FD support to dramatically improve their mount (EOS).
Pentax DOESN'T have to drop full K/M support now at all
Because THERE IS NO NEW MOUNT on their DSLRs or SLRS.
jco

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- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey


> Why would anyone shoot FD lenses on EOS film bodies
> If they are going to lose autoaperture? That's what
> Would have happened back in '87 even if Canon
> Somehow allowed FD lenses to fit their EOS film
> Bodies.

They would want to for the same reasons you give for wanting to shoot
with K/M lenses on a DSLR.
The big difference is you can shoot with K/M lenses on a DSLR, FD lens
users really don't have very good options.

They would want to if they didn't want to buy a bunch of new lenses, or
wanted to shoot with a fine quality metal bodied lens rather than an
plastic AF lens with no aperture ring and crappy feeling manual focus
(all the reasons you give, BTW, for wanting to shoot K/M lenses)

I just don't see how you can debate that Canon did no wrong by dropping
all support for the FD mount, while at the same time pillorying Pentax
for limiting support for K/M lenses

>
> Secondly, I only gave one example of why FD
> Compatability was abandoned, there have been
> Others.
>
Every example you have given so far has been defeated by a reasoned
argumnet.
Your major, oft repeated  example disagrees with the philosophy of
product support that you say is uf utmost importance.

Essentially, you are disagreeing with yourself. You don't need my help
for an argument, you do just fine by yourself.



> For example, what is the default mode of FD
> Lenses when not mounted on a body? It is
> Wide open regardlesso of aperture ring setting
> Like M42 lenses or is it stopped down like PK
> Lenses? If it's wide open like M42 lenses there
> Would be no way to stop down on a EOS body because
> FD lenses don't have AUTO/MANUAL aperture mode
> Switches like pentax M42 lenses do.

I just got off the phone with a friend who is a Canon FD owner. He is
pretty sure that the way Canon did the EOS mount, that no direct adaptor
was possible.
He is equally certain that they did it that way to keep users from using
their older lenses anymore.

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Re: Show in Japan

[K.Takeshita]

On 10/17/06 8:49 PM, "Doug Franklin", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I see it, for sure.  But in this case, anyway, it's only going to show
> up to "pixel peeping".  I bet if it shows up on a print, it'll be
> unnoticeable.

As you said, they (folks in Japan) were saying that this was a result of
sensor array happened to have resonated with the patter of fabric in certain
angle.
They are rather admiring the detail of the fabric captured (and its pure
white, a rather difficult situation for digital camera).  They also said
that the colour moire is a common occurrence for any digicam.

So, I am not concerned.  I am surprised that they actually found this :-).
But it made me think that the "pixel peeping" be rather silly, going all
over the image in front of monitor to locater some technical flows.

Again, as you said, if this was printed, even in a fair size, you will never
notice it, but just enjoying the image.
Considering this is a jpeg image , I thought it was excellent.

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RE: Somebody talk me out of it

[J. C. O'Connell]

If its Manual aperture, you actually get aperture preffered
AE option and wont have to do the GB thingy in spite of the
Fact that it's a "K" lens.
jco

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J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Does the K400/5.6 have a manual aperture like
> The screwmount takumar or is it autoaperture?

Manual, IIRC, but I haven't had that lens out in a couple of years.

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Re: Show in Japan

[Doug Brewer]

On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Ken Takeshita wrote:
>
> Actually, I just accidentally found the thread in Japan wherein folks
> are talking about the moire, taking an examplke of Pnteax's recent
> sample.
>
> http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/ex_02.jpg
>
> This is the sample 2 shown in the K10D site.
> If you look really close at the area of her right shoulder between her
> arm and hair, you might be able to see some colour moire.  It is hard
> to see but it's there.  The fabric is supposed to be pure white but
> has a very fine thread pattern.  They all say this is moire, and are
> not all concerned about it.
>
> Ken

Well, that's it. The camera is useless.

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Re: printing on metallic paper?

[Igor Roshchin]

Thanks to everybody who replied to my questions on this topic.
I think I am going to try www.mpix.com.

Just in case somebody else is interested, -
I also found that one of the local printers (www.d1color.com) 
also offers such printing.  They also print on ENDURA Metallic paper.

Here is their "informercial" article about this paper:
http://www.d1color.com/detail.lasso?ID=62&Section=NEWS&Category=Masterson%20Photography

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Re: Show in Japan

[Digital Image Studio]

On 18/10/06, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's near impossible to prevent, too, if you're using a sensor with the
> pixels in a regular arrangement.  The only reason film usually avoids
> gross moire patterns is that its "pixel array" is semi-random.  If your
> sensor array is a regular arrangement, like a grid, then there's always
> some source image that can interact with the sensor array to produce a
> form of moire.  The problem is worse in the case of cameras in that both
>  the sensor array and a lot of other man-made things are regular
> rectangular grids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aliasing_filter

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RE: Readers for 4GB SDHC Cards

[Michael Perham]

Do regular readers, such as the built in card readers on my computer, read
both SD and SDHC cards?  I ask because one manufacture is providing a reader
with their SDHC cards that causes me to wonder if regular readers are
incompatible.

Mike.
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I dunno about them readers built in to the computer. Mine, a brand new XP
with a lot of bells and whistles, is a real DOG if I use the SD slot built
in. If I use my USB 2.0 reader, it is at least 10 X faster, maybe more.
Apparantly some of those reader slots are not USB protocols.

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Re: Show in Japan

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Tainter"


> http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/ex_02.jpg
>
> This is the sample 2 shown in the K10D site
>
> -
>
> When I look at this image at a scale that fills the browser window, or
> fills the screen in PS, I see moire all over the area of the blouse
> outside of the "bib" (whatever it's called). But when I enlarge the
> image the moire goes away. So I assume it is just an effect of the 
> monitor.
>
> Yes? No?

Probably an effect of resampling the image to fit the browser window.
I printed that file on my Epson 4800 to a 10x16 print side.
It looks quite excellent.

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Re: PESO -Dappled Sunlight

[Jack Davis]

Extremely nice rendering!! Textures are beautifully detailed.

Jack

--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I picked a new 16-45 on Saturday, and spent most of the afternoon 
> shooting with it on the K100D. I'm quite impressed with it. Here's a 
> shot from Queen and Yonge in Toronto.
> 
> http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/271966920/
> 
> Large size (and for the flickr-phobic):
> 
> http://static.flickr.com/83/271966920_c9d7448657_b.jpg
> 
> -Adam
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Re: Show in Japan

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes. If it only appears at one enlargement it's a result of monitor  
scan lines and pixels lining up in an unfortunate way.
Paul
On Oct 17, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/ex_02.jpg
>
> This is the sample 2 shown in the K10D site
>
> -
>
> When I look at this image at a scale that fills the browser window, or
> fills the screen in PS, I see moire all over the area of the blouse
> outside of the "bib" (whatever it's called). But when I enlarge the
> image the moire goes away. So I assume it is just an effect of the  
> monitor.
>
> Yes? No?
>
> Joe
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Re: One for Pentax 67 owners

[Digital Image Studio]

On 18/10/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Am I alone in thinking that the street portrait photos he reproduces
> are hardly worth the expense and effort?

I think I'd rather see close-ups of piss holes in the snow frankly (in
colour of course)

:-(

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Re: Show in Japan

[Doug Franklin]

Joseph Tainter wrote:

> So I assume it is just an effect of the monitor.
> 
> Yes? No?

The regular "grid" of the pixels on a monitor can also exhibit moire in
its interactions with the "grid" in the digital image.  Basically, you
can get moire at almost any interaction like image-sensor,
image-display, image-photo, etc., if both parts are using regular
"grids" of pixels.

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Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[Doug Franklin]

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Does the K400/5.6 have a manual aperture like
> The screwmount takumar or is it autoaperture?

Manual, IIRC, but I haven't had that lens out in a couple of years.

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Re: Show in Japan

[Doug Franklin]

Ken Takeshita wrote:

> http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/ex_02.jpg
> 
> This is the sample 2 shown in the K10D site.
> If you look really close at the area of her right shoulder between her
> arm and hair, you might be able to see some colour moire.  It is hard
> to see but it's there.  The fabric is supposed to be pure white but
> has a very fine thread pattern.  They all say this is moire, and are
> not all concerned about it.

I see it, for sure.  But in this case, anyway, it's only going to show
up to "pixel peeping".  I bet if it shows up on a print, it'll be
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Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[Doug Franklin]

Scott Loveless wrote:

> I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
> use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
> from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
> significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
> would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  

I've never used the K500/4.5, but I have a K400/5.6 in the other room.
Actually, it's for sale.  I like the lens and get good quality photos
out of it.  But I have to say, honestly, that the photos from the Sigma
APO 400/5.6 Macro are better.  It's like 20 years newer, though, with
all the advances in materials and lens design that go with those 20
years.  But the K400/5.6 produces better photos for me than the Tokina
SD 400/5.6 that I had.

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Re: Show in Japan

[Doug Franklin]

Digital Image Studio wrote:

> The problem is near impossible
> to remedy in post processing as it's an optical effect therefore can't
> be readily distinguished from wanted information.

It's near impossible to prevent, too, if you're using a sensor with the
pixels in a regular arrangement.  The only reason film usually avoids
gross moire patterns is that its "pixel array" is semi-random.  If your
sensor array is a regular arrangement, like a grid, then there's always
some source image that can interact with the sensor array to produce a
form of moire.  The problem is worse in the case of cameras in that both
 the sensor array and a lot of other man-made things are regular
rectangular grids.

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Re: Show in Japan

[Doug Franklin]

Adam Maas wrote:
> Moire is the odd patterns you sometimes see in fine (high frequency) 
> detail in digital shots or scans.

Or when you look through two screens at the same time, and they're at
slight angles to each other.

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Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[John Celio]

> I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
> use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
> from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
> significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
> would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  

I love my K500 4.5.  Here's that PESO I posted recently where I used that 
lens: http://www.neovenator.com/special/blueangelscrossover.html

It can produce some chromatic abberration around blown highlights, but 
that's easily corrected in RAW processing.  I've never used the lens on a 
film camera, so I don't know how it performs there.

My favorite part of the lens is the two gunsights on the top.  They make it 
SO much easier to shoot action!

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RE: PESO - Golden Eagle

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Nice one, Bruce
I love Golden Eagles

ann


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From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: PESO - Golden Eagle


Taken at the San Francisco Zoo.  Yes, it would be much cooler if I had
hiked somewhere to find this, but I like it nonetheless.

Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 280mm, monopod
ISO 400, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0288a.htm

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Re: PESO - On the Web....

[Bob Sullivan]

Russian soul...

On 10/17/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, unlike certain people I am normally serious, am I not? ;-)

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Re: PESO - A valley view

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jostein Øksne"
Subject: PESO - A valley view


> http://www.oksne.net/paw/valleyview.html
>

That's pretty.

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RE: Show in Japan

[Joseph Tainter]

http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/ex_02.jpg

This is the sample 2 shown in the K10D site

-

When I look at this image at a scale that fills the browser window, or 
fills the screen in PS, I see moire all over the area of the blouse 
outside of the "bib" (whatever it's called). But when I enlarge the 
image the moire goes away. So I assume it is just an effect of the monitor.

Yes? No?

Joe

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Re: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7

[jkmess]

I'll be using it almost exclusively outdoors for landscapes, etc.  I will 
probably have 
it set at or near infinity for much of the time, so this isn't likely to be too 
much of 
an issue.  I'll just have to watch for flare.  I'm probably going to pick one 
up from 
KEH for less than $200USD.

James

Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bruce Dayton"
> Subject: Re: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7
> 
> 
> > You could be right.  But it was only comparing f4 to f4.5.  It was
> > harder to focus than my 55/4 which was even wider and not much
> faster.
> > The images obtained with it were just fine.  I chose it over the
> > 75/2.8 because of cost.  I'm not saying it is one I would not get,
> > only my experience with it.
> 
> Other than flare, I never had any quibbes with the pictures the
> 75/4.5 
> tak made. I did find it to be a hard lens to focus in anything other
> 
> than fairly bright light. It was a pain to use in the studio or an 
> indoor location for this reason.
> 
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Re: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton"
Subject: Re: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7


> You could be right.  But it was only comparing f4 to f4.5.  It was
> harder to focus than my 55/4 which was even wider and not much faster.
> The images obtained with it were just fine.  I chose it over the
> 75/2.8 because of cost.  I'm not saying it is one I would not get,
> only my experience with it.

Other than flare, I never had any quibbes with the pictures the 75/4.5 
tak made. I did find it to be a hard lens to focus in anything other 
than fairly bright light. It was a pain to use in the studio or an 
indoor location for this reason.

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Re: One for Pentax 67 owners

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Shell"
Subject: Re: One for Pentax 67 owners


>

>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/Pentax-800mm.shtml
>> :)
>
> Am I alone in thinking that the street portrait photos he reproduces
> are hardly worth the expense and effort?

No.

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Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

[Paul Stenquist]

On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:52 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Ok.
> JCO
>

Someone has apparently taken JCO away and replaced him with someone  
agreeable. Or perhaps there's a full moon?
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Re: Cancelled my K10D order

[Doug Franklin]

John Forbes wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:16:41 +0100, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Keep calling back until you get someone to listen.
>> Never take a "NO" answer from someone that doesn't have the authority to  
>> say
>> "YES".
> 
> Sound advice!

Along the same lines, never try to negotiate with someone who can only
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Re: The JCO survey

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey


> Why would anyone shoot FD lenses on EOS film bodies
> If they are going to lose autoaperture? That's what
> Would have happened back in '87 even if Canon
> Somehow allowed FD lenses to fit their EOS film
> Bodies.

They would want to for the same reasons you give for wanting to shoot
with K/M lenses on a DSLR.
The big difference is you can shoot with K/M lenses on a DSLR, FD lens
users really don't have very good options.

They would want to if they didn't want to buy a bunch of new lenses, or
wanted to shoot with a fine quality metal bodied lens rather than an
plastic AF lens with no aperture ring and crappy feeling manual focus
(all the reasons you give, BTW, for wanting to shoot K/M lenses)

I just don't see how you can debate that Canon did no wrong by dropping
all support for the FD mount, while at the same time pillorying Pentax
for limiting support for K/M lenses

>
> Secondly, I only gave one example of why FD
> Compatability was abandoned, there have been
> Others.
>
Every example you have given so far has been defeated by a reasoned
argumnet.
Your major, oft repeated  example disagrees with the philosophy of
product support that you say is uf utmost importance.

Essentially, you are disagreeing with yourself. You don't need my help
for an argument, you do just fine by yourself.



> For example, what is the default mode of FD
> Lenses when not mounted on a body? It is
> Wide open regardlesso of aperture ring setting
> Like M42 lenses or is it stopped down like PK
> Lenses? If it's wide open like M42 lenses there
> Would be no way to stop down on a EOS body because
> FD lenses don't have AUTO/MANUAL aperture mode
> Switches like pentax M42 lenses do.

I just got off the phone with a friend who is a Canon FD owner. He is
pretty sure that the way Canon did the EOS mount, that no direct adaptor
was possible.
He is equally certain that they did it that way to keep users from using
their older lenses anymore.

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Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[Scott Loveless]

On 10/17/06, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dont buy them.  They have aperture simulators, which means they are
> obsolete.  ;)
>
> rg
>
Actually, they don't.  Both lenses have manual apertures.

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Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless"
Subject: Somebody talk me out of it


> I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
> use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
> from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
> significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
> would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  
>

I'd go for the 400 if I could only choose one of them.
I use my 400 a heck of a lot more than my 500.
HTH

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Re: Re: Show in Japan

[Digital Image Studio]

On 18/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aha...yes I see some colour lines there, but you really have to be looking 
> right up
> close to spot it.  I can't see that bothering me.

It may be quite annoying to me, I shoot do shoot fabrics under
controlled lighting,. It's an indication that the selected AA filter
isn't doing what it's supposed to do. The problem is near impossible
to remedy in post processing as it's an optical effect therefore can't
be readily distinguished from wanted information.

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RE: Somebody talk me out of it

[J. C. O'Connell]

Does the K400/5.6 have a manual aperture like
The screwmount takumar or is it autoaperture?
jco

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The K400/5.6 is an excellent lens, but it doesn't focus very close.  
The A400/5.6 focuses much closer, and sells for approximately a  
hundred dollars more. I believe both lenses are more contemporary  
optical designs than the 500, but I can't say for sure.
Paul
On Oct 17, 2006, at 6:44 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

> I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
> use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
> from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
> significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
> would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: Re: Show in Japan

[jkmess]

Aha...yes I see some colour lines there, but you really have to be looking 
right up 
close to spot it.  I can't see that bothering me.

James

Quoting Ken Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On 10/17/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Moire is the odd patterns you sometimes see in fine (high
> frequency)
> > detail in digital shots or scans.
> >
> > -Adam
> 
> Actually, I just accidentally found the thread in Japan wherein
> folks
> are talking about the moire, taking an examplke of Pnteax's recent
> sample.
> 
> http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/ex_02.jpg
> 
> This is the sample 2 shown in the K10D site.
> If you look really close at the area of her right shoulder between
> her
> arm and hair, you might be able to see some colour moire.  It is
> hard
> to see but it's there.  The fabric is supposed to be pure white but
> has a very fine thread pattern.  They all say this is moire, and are
> not all concerned about it.
> 
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Re: Re: Show in Japan

[Ken Takeshita]

On 10/17/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Moire is the odd patterns you sometimes see in fine (high frequency)
> detail in digital shots or scans.
>
> -Adam

Actually, I just accidentally found the thread in Japan wherein folks
are talking about the moire, taking an examplke of Pnteax's recent
sample.

http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/ex_02.jpg

This is the sample 2 shown in the K10D site.
If you look really close at the area of her right shoulder between her
arm and hair, you might be able to see some colour moire.  It is hard
to see but it's there.  The fabric is supposed to be pure white but
has a very fine thread pattern.  They all say this is moire, and are
not all concerned about it.

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Re: Thoughs on lenses for K100D

[John Celio]

> Get the body only first of all, dont get it with one of those kit
> lenses, if you can.

Seconded.  Those Sigma lenses are junk.  I played with a few at my last job, 
and never liked 'em.

If price is a concern, the Pentax DA 18-55 (aka the real kit lens for that 
camera) is a very nice lens.  I got one off ebay for US$90 and it's a nice 
little lens for everyday use.

You may want to take a look at Tamron's Di lenses.  They're good, and 
usually not too expensive.  They've got some nice wide-to-tele zooms that 
perform very well, such as the 18-200mm.

Just my $0.02

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RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

[J. C. O'Connell]

Ok.
JCO

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To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
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because it's an email to a friendly group of like-minded people, not a
legal deposition, so sloppiness of language is occasionally forgiven?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
> Sent: 17 October 2006 22:20
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> 
> I guess the terms are unclear, by saying "instant" it seems
> To imply compensation for the new aperture setting rather
> Than bracketing or metering compensation. Why use "instant"
> In that context?
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of
> Bob W
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:06 PM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> 
> That's why it's exposure compensation, and not a changed exposure.
If
> you take the original reading at 5.6 then change the aperture to 2.8
> without Gbing again, and without the light changing, you will
> overexpose (or compensate) by 2 stops, which is what Peter wrote. 
> 
> However, if you take the original reading and the light changes
before
> you take the picture, the camera can take the changed light into
> account and vary the shutter speed or iso when you make the exposure
> because it knows the difference between the original wide-open
> reading, the immediate pre-exposure reading, and the original
> stopped-down reading.
> 
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>  Bob 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
> > Sent: 17 October 2006 19:25
> > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> > Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> > 
> > Sir, You wrote quote :
> > >>" If you change the aperture you get
> > >>instant exposure compensation"
> > I did read it correctly.
> > jco
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of
> > P. J. Alling
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:23 PM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> > 
> > Huh, didn't you actually read what I wrote?  You don't change the 
> > aperture between shots if you want it to work. The camera 
> > remembers the 
> > difference between wide open and stopped down from the last time
you
> 
> > indexed the exposure.  Half pressing shutter wakes up the meter
the 
> > camera takes that reading and applies the offset, as if it had an 
> > aperture simulator.  If you change aperture you have to re-index
by 
> > pressing the green button or use the difference between offset and

> > actual set aperture as an exposure adjustment. 
> > 
> > J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > 
> > >Wont work because there is no way the camera knows
> > >You changed the apeture setting unless the aperture
> > >Is stopped down all the time and its not ( that would
> > >Drain the battery if they tried that as it's a solenoid
> > >If I am not mistaken ).
> > >jco
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > On Behalf Of
> > >P. J. Alling
> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:13 PM
> > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > >Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> > >
> > >I think you're being too complicated.  How about this.  Call it
> auto 
> > >stop down compensation
> > >
> > >1.) Mount a K lens.  Or take an A/F/FA off A position.  The
Camera 
> > >automatically senses this.
> > >2.) Set the mode dial to Av, if it's not there already.
> > >3.) Press the green button.
> > > a) The camera takes a meter reading and temporally records
it.
> > > b) The lens stops down to taking aperture and makes a
reading 
> > >subtracting the EV value from the temporally stored value.
> > >  The camera now knows the difference between 
> > wide open and
> > 
> > >the current F stop set on the lens. 
> > >
> > >Now every time you take an exposure the camera calculates the
> proper 
> > >exposure based on that offset. (It and also display an 
> > estimate of over
> > 
> > >or under exposure in the viewfinder).
> > >
> > >No extra dials or buttons to press.  If you change the 
> > aperture you get
> > 
> > >instant exposure compensation. 
> > >
> > >If you change aperture and don't want exposure compensation 
> > press the 
> > >green button again. 
> > >
> > >Make this type of operation a menu item in the custom menu with a

> > >default to the Av behavior.
> > >
> > >Basically an aperture simulator for Av all done in software.
> > >
> > >The only problem is that you might run out metering range, 
> > but that's 
> > >true of using the green button Kludge now anyway.

Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[Paul Stenquist]

The K400/5.6 is an excellent lens, but it doesn't focus very close.  
The A400/5.6 focuses much closer, and sells for approximately a  
hundred dollars more. I believe both lenses are more contemporary  
optical designs than the 500, but I can't say for sure.
Paul
On Oct 17, 2006, at 6:44 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

> I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
> use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
> from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
> significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
> would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  
>
> Thanks!
>
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RE: PESO - Golden Eagle

[Shel Belinkoff]

I love raptors, and eagles are my favorites.  Here's a link to a story
about the Golden Gate Raptor Observatory.  Might be more interesting and
educational than zoo pics.

I spent a fair amount of time amongst the eagles in Haines, Alaska, and out
along the Chilkat River, where there's a five mile or so stretch of the
Chilkat that never freezes over, providing the eagles with food even during
to coldest months.

When I was up there I stayed in Haines long enough to be able to recognize
individual eagles that came into town and hung around, observing the locals
and their rituals from fence posts and roof tops.  There was one guy, who
only had one leg, that seemed to be adopted by the town.  He would allow
people to get pretty close - except for the tourists that he didn't know
well enough.  After a while I was able to get within about ten or fifteen
feet of him.  He was a magnificent bird.

The mating ritual of the eagles is an amazing sight, Bruce.  I won't say
more about it here, but if you're interested you can do a search on what's
involved.

While your shot may suffer a bit from lack of DOF by the standards of some
purists, I like it quite a bit regardless.  The head and eyes are quite
sharp, and the somewhat OOF body and feathers, while in some ways weakening
the entire photo, strengthen the sharp part.

Did I mention that I like eagles ... if I can find the slides I'll scan a
few that I took with a ST 105/2.8 on a film camera.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Taken at the San Francisco Zoo.  Yes, it would be much cooler if I had
> hiked somewhere to find this, but I like it nonetheless.
>
> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 280mm, monopod
> ISO 400, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>
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Re: One for Pentax 67 owners

[Brendan MacRae]

--- Doug Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> at such a distance this monster rig would draw no
> reaction. 
> 

Well, it's a huge set up only to get 560mm (35mm focal
length equivalent).

Perhaps he'd be better off with a smaller 35mm rig and
500mm lens. It would be less conspicuous. And he
wouldn't put his back out.

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Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[Gonz]

Dont buy them.  They have aperture simulators, which means they are 
obsolete.  ;)

rg


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> I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
> use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
> from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
> significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
> would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: Show in Japan

[Adam Maas]

Moire is the odd patterns you sometimes see in fine (high frequency) 
detail in digital shots or scans.

-Adam


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hell, I don't even know what moire is!
> 
> Quoting Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>>  From one of Ken's reports:
>>
>> "Pentax explanation on the floor said they were not forcing the
>> removal
>> of the nosie, colour noise or colour moire.  Instead, they are going
>> by the extremely finer gradation to render very natural images. 
>> They
>> further said that if anyone would be bothered by the colour moire
>> etc,
>> it can be easily removed by post processing."
>>
>> I have been thinking this over the past couple of days. Moire? I
>> haven't 
>> seen moire raised previously as an issue in the K10D. Pentax seems to
>> be 
>> saying: "Noise? Moire? Remove them yourselves." For the noise, that
>> is 
>> probably okay. I don't want high ISO K10D images to look soft like
>> the 
>> D80 ones do. But how does one remove moire? And why should it be an 
>> issue in the camera? (Why did Pentax even bring it up?)
>>
>> Joe
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Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

[Digital Image Studio]

On 18/10/06, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Would that change the order of the way the mechanism works now?  Because
> if I extrapolate correctly what you are saying, the body would take a
> meter reading right after it stopped down and adjusted the position to
> match the exposure reading wide open.  This would imply that it would
> have to keep the mirror up during this period I think, because once the
> mirror is up it cannot meter.

Yep, a complete departure, it would occur pre-exposure, and would
simply be positional feedback of the aperture blades (which would
relate directly to the physical size of the aperture blade opening), I
guess the lenses would have to be individually pre-calibrated and the
data stored in the on board ROM. A lot of hassle but it would be
accurate :-)

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Re: PESO - Golden Eagle

[Brendan MacRae]

Bruce, I can hardly think of how it could be cooler. 

;-]

-Brendan

--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Taken at the San Francisco Zoo.  Yes, it would be
> much cooler if I had
> hiked somewhere to find this, but I like it
> nonetheless.
> 
> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 280mm, monopod
> ISO 400, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0288a.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
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RE: PESO - Golden Eagle

[Shel Belinkoff]

Forgot the link to the GGRO in the previous message: 
http://tinyurl.com/y6hrhs

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Taken at the San Francisco Zoo.  Yes, it would be much 
> cooler if I had hiked somewhere to find this, but I like it
> nonetheless.


> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0288a.htm



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RE: Way OT: Are there any golfers here?

[Jens Bladt]

While I was living in Cork, Ireland, some friends of mine didd "Road
Bowling". They threw an iron ball along the road. He who made the goal in
fewer strikes than the others was the winner. This sport is done ind
Gernmany, Ireland, Netherlands, Italy and a few other places. A lot of
betting went on during the game - I guess perhaps in total 43000-4 USD
changed hands on a Sunday afternoon!  I'll post some pictures some day soon!
Regards

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P. J. Alling wrote:
> I think if I were going to take up a game that included hitting a ball
> with hammers and chasing it into the woods I'd take up this one.
> eXtreem Croquet
> http://www.extremecroquet.org/about/emmyclip.html

I always thought there should be a golf-like game wherein one shoots the
ball from some distance rather than striking it with a club.  Some of my
golfing friends concur. :D  I guess it would be hard to find enough room
for something like that, though. :-)

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Re: Apple sells Canon

[Tom C]

Yah.  I wasn't implying it was somethiing new... I was just trying to fight 
fire with fire by starting a new controverisal thread. :-)

Tom C.



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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:44:46 -0700

And for some years Canon supplied the mechanical innards for Apple
LaserWriter printers (and for some H-P LaserJets too).

Mi Doug

On 10/17/06 14:20, "Jim King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 > Apple has had Canon cameras for sale in the Apple stores for years.
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Re: PESO -Dappled Sunlight

[Adam Maas]

Thanks, it's amazing how a little sharpening can bring up the 
micro-contrast and texture.

-Adam


Jack Davis wrote:
> Extremely nice rendering!! Textures are beautifully detailed.
> 
> Jack
> 
> --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I picked a new 16-45 on Saturday, and spent most of the afternoon 
>> shooting with it on the K100D. I'm quite impressed with it. Here's a 
>> shot from Queen and Yonge in Toronto.
>>
>> http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/271966920/
>>
>> Large size (and for the flickr-phobic):
>>
>> http://static.flickr.com/83/271966920_c9d7448657_b.jpg
>>
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RE: Way OT: Are there any golfers here?

[Jens Bladt]

Great story, Frank!
Regards

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On 10/16/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I subscribe to Samuel Clemons definition of Golf.  "...a good walk
spoilt".

The last time I played golf was about 15 years ago.  We were on a
little 9 hole course in the metropolis of Turkey Point, Ontario,
Canada.  The others in my foursome were far better golfers than me,
and I duffed the first hole badly.  From the second tee, I hit it into
the woods.  I was pissed, and I didn't like holding up more
accomplished golfer while I "stickhandled" my way up the fairway.

It was a beautiful sunny early summer day.  Our golf bags were full of
beer (as well as clubs).  I went into the woods, retrieved my ball,
put it in my pocket, and said, "Boys, I'm along for the walk!"

I walked out the last 7 holes, we hit the bar, and I never played again.

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Somebody talk me out of it

[Scott Loveless]

I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  

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Readers for 4GB SDHC Cards

[Walter Hamler]

I dunno about them readers built in to the computer. Mine, a brand new XP 
with a lot of bells and whistles, is a real DOG if I use the SD slot built 
in. If I use my USB 2.0 reader, it is at least 10 X faster, maybe more. 
Apparantly some of those reader slots are not USB protocols.

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Re: Show in Japan

[jkmess]

Hell, I don't even know what moire is!

Quoting Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  From one of Ken's reports:
> 
> "Pentax explanation on the floor said they were not forcing the
> removal
> of the nosie, colour noise or colour moire.  Instead, they are going
> by the extremely finer gradation to render very natural images. 
> They
> further said that if anyone would be bothered by the colour moire
> etc,
> it can be easily removed by post processing."
> 
> I have been thinking this over the past couple of days. Moire? I
> haven't 
> seen moire raised previously as an issue in the K10D. Pentax seems to
> be 
> saying: "Noise? Moire? Remove them yourselves." For the noise, that
> is 
> probably okay. I don't want high ISO K10D images to look soft like
> the 
> D80 ones do. But how does one remove moire? And why should it be an 
> issue in the camera? (Why did Pentax even bring it up?)
> 
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Re: PESO - Golden Eagle

[Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)]

Great picture!

Seems that the foreground feathers show some "duplication", like a 
motion blur, but the sharp spots do not show any (or is it my eyes? ;-) )

Have you experienced such out-of-focus duplication effect elsewhere, or 
did it move its wing, or something?

Patrice

Bruce Dayton a écrit :
> Taken at the San Francisco Zoo.  Yes, it would be much cooler if I had
> hiked somewhere to find this, but I like it nonetheless.
>
> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 280mm, monopod
> ISO 400, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0288a.htm
>
> Comments welcome
>
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Re: Apple sells Canon

[K.Takeshita]

On 10/17/06 5:20 PM, "Jim King", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Apple has had Canon cameras for sale in the Apple stores for years.
> I suspect that Canon has worked out some co-promotion deal.

Apple, in early days, were represented by Canon in Japan (i.e., Canon were
selling Macs in Japan).
Also, when they were selling LaserWriters, they were using Canon engines.
There still may be loose connections there.

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Re: PESO -Dappled Sunlight

[Jack Davis]

Extremely nice rendering!! Textures are beautifully detailed.

Jack

--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I picked a new 16-45 on Saturday, and spent most of the afternoon 
> shooting with it on the K100D. I'm quite impressed with it. Here's a 
> shot from Queen and Yonge in Toronto.
> 
> http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/271966920/
> 
> Large size (and for the flickr-phobic):
> 
> http://static.flickr.com/83/271966920_c9d7448657_b.jpg
> 
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RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

[Bob W]

because it's an email to a friendly group of like-minded people, not a
legal deposition, so sloppiness of language is occasionally forgiven?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
> Sent: 17 October 2006 22:20
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> 
> I guess the terms are unclear, by saying "instant" it seems
> To imply compensation for the new aperture setting rather
> Than bracketing or metering compensation. Why use "instant"
> In that context?
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of
> Bob W
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:06 PM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> 
> That's why it's exposure compensation, and not a changed exposure.
If
> you take the original reading at 5.6 then change the aperture to 2.8
> without Gbing again, and without the light changing, you will
> overexpose (or compensate) by 2 stops, which is what Peter wrote. 
> 
> However, if you take the original reading and the light changes
before
> you take the picture, the camera can take the changed light into
> account and vary the shutter speed or iso when you make the exposure
> because it knows the difference between the original wide-open
> reading, the immediate pre-exposure reading, and the original
> stopped-down reading.
> 
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> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
> > Sent: 17 October 2006 19:25
> > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> > Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> > 
> > Sir, You wrote quote :
> > >>" If you change the aperture you get
> > >>instant exposure compensation"
> > I did read it correctly.
> > jco
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of
> > P. J. Alling
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:23 PM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> > 
> > Huh, didn't you actually read what I wrote?  You don't change the 
> > aperture between shots if you want it to work. The camera 
> > remembers the 
> > difference between wide open and stopped down from the last time
you
> 
> > indexed the exposure.  Half pressing shutter wakes up the meter
the 
> > camera takes that reading and applies the offset, as if it had an 
> > aperture simulator.  If you change aperture you have to re-index
by 
> > pressing the green button or use the difference between offset and

> > actual set aperture as an exposure adjustment. 
> > 
> > J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > 
> > >Wont work because there is no way the camera knows
> > >You changed the apeture setting unless the aperture
> > >Is stopped down all the time and its not ( that would
> > >Drain the battery if they tried that as it's a solenoid
> > >If I am not mistaken ).
> > >jco
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > On Behalf Of
> > >P. J. Alling
> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:13 PM
> > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > >Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
> > >
> > >I think you're being too complicated.  How about this.  Call it
> auto 
> > >stop down compensation
> > >
> > >1.) Mount a K lens.  Or take an A/F/FA off A position.  The
Camera 
> > >automatically senses this.
> > >2.) Set the mode dial to Av, if it's not there already.
> > >3.) Press the green button.
> > > a) The camera takes a meter reading and temporally records
it.
> > > b) The lens stops down to taking aperture and makes a
reading 
> > >subtracting the EV value from the temporally stored value.
> > >  The camera now knows the difference between 
> > wide open and
> > 
> > >the current F stop set on the lens. 
> > >
> > >Now every time you take an exposure the camera calculates the
> proper 
> > >exposure based on that offset. (It and also display an 
> > estimate of over
> > 
> > >or under exposure in the viewfinder).
> > >
> > >No extra dials or buttons to press.  If you change the 
> > aperture you get
> > 
> > >instant exposure compensation. 
> > >
> > >If you change aperture and don't want exposure compensation 
> > press the 
> > >green button again. 
> > >
> > >Make this type of operation a menu item in the custom menu with a

> > >default to the Av behavior.
> > >
> > >Basically an aperture simulator for Av all done in software.
> > >
> > >The only problem is that you might run out metering range, 
> > but that's 
> > >true of using the green button Kludge now anyway.
> > >
> > >Cory Papenfuss wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > Of course it's academic since it's not an 
> option with the
> > 
> > 
> > >current
> > >  
> > >
> > firmware, but I don't think it would be t

Re: PESO - Golden Eagle

[Jack Davis]

Close. A real shame the DOF wasn't greater. How close were you? The 180
shutter indicates that a smaller aperture (even at 280mm setting) might
have been a choice, especially with a monopod.

Jack

--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Taken at the San Francisco Zoo.  Yes, it would be much cooler if I
> had
> hiked somewhere to find this, but I like it nonetheless.
> 
> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 280mm, monopod
> ISO 400, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0288a.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
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Re: Show in Japan

[Joseph Tainter]

What Pentax were saying, as I interpreted, was the images (jpeg?) were 
so good right out of the camera without any setting of noise removal and 
others (such as natural/bright or whatever else the camera has).

We'll see how people report this weekend from Tokyo.

Ken

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Thanks, Ken. I hope people at the Tokyo show will ask Pentax more 
questions about how the images were processed to make the prints.

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Re: One for Pentax 67 owners

[Doug Miles]

Interesting all the obstacles this guy faced and dealt with, and how it all
followed from a fascination with grabbing big images - of people unaware -
at such a distance this monster rig would draw no reaction. I was struck by
how very important it was to him that his subjects were unaware of being
photographed. He's not alone in that determination, as in the photo forums
many wish to shoot "true" candids in which the subjects' actions are not
affected by the presence of the camera. But this guy took it to a logical
extreme in his own interesting way. :-)

Mi Doug

On 10/17/06 14:19, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Certainly not alone. This seems a pretty silly use of a 67 and an ultra
> telephoto. Even if he wanted a 6x7 neg, it seems that a Mamiya 7 with a
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