Re: Some PUG comments 3 of 3

[Sandra Hermann]

My dad has always told me I miss most of the world cause I only look through 
a viewfinder.




http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154






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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:11:43 +0100

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:15:43 +0100, Sandra Hermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154
>
> Thank you for your comments.  Missing the unsharp objects is one of my
> fallbacks in photography.  I just don't see junk.  I am trying to train
> myself.  I see the good and get so excited about it I miss the bad.

Now that is recognisable. Training does help. Though just when you think
you've got the background covered, you get these pictures with stray
newspapers on the foreground. It's amazing what you can miss through a
viewfinder :(

(or at least what I can miss through a viewfinder...)

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Regards, Lucas

> I was
> very unsure about the crop.  It just made it better in my eye.
> Thank you again.
> Sandy
>
>
>
>> From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: Some PUG comments 3 of 3
>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:05:59 +0100
>>
>> "When I was a kid.." by Sandy Hermann
>>
>> The story around it makes the picture grow, but I think some of the
>> elements distract. The unsharp object in the lower left corner, and
>> the unsharp twig in the right hand corner. The long twig "meandering"
>> from the top is a nice element, I think, and it would have been even
>> better if it didn't cross the valve.
>>
>> With the almost square format, the crop is actively chosen for the
>> presentation, and to me it seems like a good choice because it brings
>> the object so close and sort of intimate. Not easy to be intimate with
>> an old cart wheel...
>>
>>
>
>
>



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Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[Cotty]

On 13/11/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You're correct on this JCO. Bill Robb is bating you. Ignore him and  
>he'll stop.

Paul, stop bating Bill  ;-)

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Re: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[Shel Belinkoff]

I also use the K18/3.5 on the istDS, but I've never noticed an CA.  Maybe I
don't know what it is.  Can you point it out on the photos that show it?. 
Thanks!

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Pawel Bartuzi 

> Here are some of casual shots taken with it on *ist DS:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pawelb/sets/72157594375271047/
>
> As you can see, there is some distortion and chromatic aberration, too, 
> but nothing that could not be taken care of in SILKYPIX or other RAW 
> processors. :)



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Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[Shel Belinkoff]

I'd have to disagree with you ... truth is sometimes only opinion, and
"facts" can often be skewed to reflect or create whatever truth is desired.
History is filled with facts and truth that are neither.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: P. J. Alling 

> Truth is never a matter of opinion, truth is a matter of fact.  Opinion 
> is often the only thing used to discern fact from fiction.



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Re: PESO: Kitten

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

> We are preparing for the arrival of two new kittens in our home.
> Here's one of them:
> 
> http://leende.net/peso/kitten.htm

Toine, to me it look as if he or she is playing with its own paw here...

Made me chuckle.

Boris

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Re: PESO: A frosty morning in Gottingen

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

> One (extremely busy) week ago we returned from a week
> in Germany.  We spent a few days in Gottingen, an old
> university town in the north-central part of the
> country.
> 
> It was =cold=.  In front of the Rathaus (town hall) is
> a statue of a girl with a goose, which someone had
> decorated with flowers.  Our first morning there, the
> flowers bore icicles:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5199267
> 
> Technical: ist D, DA 16-45, ISO 400, f/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/125, raw
> file converted in ACR and touched up with PE4.
> 
> Plaudits and brickbats welcomed.
> 
> Rick

Rick, I am afraid it is yet another language barrier problem. For me 
"frosty" means "just frozen". As such it is not frosty morning, though 
surely it is very cold and it shows. I'd say it's been raining and 
temperature was dropping down, but hmmm, well, water is still flowing ;-).

Boris


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Re: PESO: On the Bench

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

> Hello PDML,
> 
> I was walking in the town, looking to shoot something completely
> different when this scene caught my eye:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5178350&size=lg
> 
> Just a quick grab before they left for the bus.
> 
> Attila

It works!

Boris

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Re: PAW 2006 - 33 - GDG

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

> Another from my trip to the IoM ... Early morning, I managed to get  
> out just after sunrise and headed over to the west of the island  
> hunting for fog. Didn't find fog, but the sunrise to the east was  
> appealing:
> 
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/33.htm
> 
> A larger rendering in both B&W and color are available from this page.
> 
> Comments, critique, flames all appreciated.

There is a slight contradiction (at least to me) between the title and 
the scene. You see, all cows are close together as if they're trying to 
save the heat of their bodies. While the title suggests that they're 
having morning sun bath or something ;-)...

I do like what I see and by the way I prefer the color version.

Boris

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Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?


> You're correct on this JCO. Bill Robb is bating you. Ignore him and
> he'll stop.

Ummm, no Paul.
If JCO wants to treat it as baiting, that's his business, I don't care.
I tried the test as stated, and found the results I found.
No more, no less.
BTW, Shel found the same thing.
It's no big deal, it just means that we both know how to use a focusing 
screen.

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Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[Paul Stenquist]

You're correct on this JCO. Bill Robb is bating you. Ignore him and  
he'll stop.
Paul
On Nov 13, 2006, at 10:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> I never said it was always a "problem", I said its
> harder to manually the wider you go. Secondly, it
> doesn't matter whether its prime or zoom,
> the difference is the same because its
> DOF related and the DOF is the same for
> for primes and zooms at the same focal
> lengths. Lastly I use the zoom example
> because its the easiest and fastest
> way to make the comparison, changing
> primes makes for a slow change and the
> comparison is harder to make and more
> error prone due to the time difference
> between the comparisons. Its similar
> to audio testing, its better if you
> can compare back and forth instantly
> rather than relying on memory well after
> the first sampling. Its also a good
> example because I believe everybody
> knows its true. No one has posted otherwise
> on the entire list. If there was no
> difference between focussing difficulties
> of a wide and a tele at the same aperture,
> how can you account for the fact that
> zooms are easier to focus at the long end?
>
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
> Behalf Of
> William Robb
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:37 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the
> list?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "J. C. O'Connell"
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A
> challange to the list?
>
>
>> Dear Sir ( is that gentlemanly enough) ,
>> You forgot to mention fstop used on the
>> 105 lens and I don't even think there is
>> such a thing as a K105/2.5 lens if I am
>> not mistaken.
>
> Pardon the typos.
> You've made a few yourself over time, I'm sure you understand.
>
> That would be an SMC Pentax 105mm f/2.8 lens at f/8.
>
>>
>> Secondly, have YOU ever used a constant
>> aperture zoom of ANY range that wasn't easier
>> to focus manually on the longer end than on the shorter
>> end? I haven't and this pretty much squelches
>> any argument to the contrary over this. Its just
>> simple differences in the DOF. The more DOF
>> you have, the harder it is to find the true
>> focal point because the DOF is masking it
>> to some extent and you don't pop in an out
>> of focus as quickly as you do with a longer
>> lens which has shallower DOF at the same
>> fstop and distance.
>
> I don't have much use for zooms, the only constant aperture one I  
> own is
>
> a 70-210 f/2.8.
> Shel originally mentioned that he didn't see much difference in  
> ease of
> focus between a couple of primes anyway, so why bring zooms into the
> discussion?
> There was a comment made that he (and I) didn't have more trouble
> focusing a medium wide angle lens than a short telephoto when stopped
> down to f/8, using an istDs (shel) and an istD (me).
> I am aware of the optical theory you are using for your assertion, I
> suspect that the difference in DOF between the two focal lengths isn't
> great enough to cause either Shel or myself a problem.
> I don't care if you disagree with what my eyes tell me or not, since
> what my eyes tell me is true.
>
> William Robb
>
>
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RE: RE: RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[J. C. O'Connell]

I never said it was always a "problem", I said its
harder to manually the wider you go. Secondly, it
doesn't matter whether its prime or zoom,
the difference is the same because its
DOF related and the DOF is the same for
for primes and zooms at the same focal
lengths. Lastly I use the zoom example
because its the easiest and fastest
way to make the comparison, changing
primes makes for a slow change and the
comparison is harder to make and more
error prone due to the time difference
between the comparisons. Its similar
to audio testing, its better if you
can compare back and forth instantly
rather than relying on memory well after
the first sampling. Its also a good
example because I believe everybody
knows its true. No one has posted otherwise
on the entire list. If there was no
difference between focussing difficulties
of a wide and a tele at the same aperture,
how can you account for the fact that
zooms are easier to focus at the long end?

jco

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- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A 
challange to the list?


> Dear Sir ( is that gentlemanly enough) ,
> You forgot to mention fstop used on the
> 105 lens and I don't even think there is
> such a thing as a K105/2.5 lens if I am
> not mistaken.

Pardon the typos.
You've made a few yourself over time, I'm sure you understand.

That would be an SMC Pentax 105mm f/2.8 lens at f/8.

>
> Secondly, have YOU ever used a constant
> aperture zoom of ANY range that wasn't easier
> to focus manually on the longer end than on the shorter
> end? I haven't and this pretty much squelches
> any argument to the contrary over this. Its just
> simple differences in the DOF. The more DOF
> you have, the harder it is to find the true
> focal point because the DOF is masking it
> to some extent and you don't pop in an out
> of focus as quickly as you do with a longer
> lens which has shallower DOF at the same
> fstop and distance.

I don't have much use for zooms, the only constant aperture one I own is

a 70-210 f/2.8.
Shel originally mentioned that he didn't see much difference in ease of 
focus between a couple of primes anyway, so why bring zooms into the 
discussion?
There was a comment made that he (and I) didn't have more trouble 
focusing a medium wide angle lens than a short telephoto when stopped 
down to f/8, using an istDs (shel) and an istD (me).
I am aware of the optical theory you are using for your assertion, I 
suspect that the difference in DOF between the two focal lengths isn't 
great enough to cause either Shel or myself a problem.
I don't care if you disagree with what my eyes tell me or not, since 
what my eyes tell me is true.

William Robb





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Re: RE: RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A 
challange to the list?


> Dear Sir ( is that gentlemanly enough) ,
> You forgot to mention fstop used on the
> 105 lens and I don't even think there is
> such a thing as a K105/2.5 lens if I am
> not mistaken.

Pardon the typos.
You've made a few yourself over time, I'm sure you understand.

That would be an SMC Pentax 105mm f/2.8 lens at f/8.

>
> Secondly, have YOU ever used a constant
> aperture zoom of ANY range that wasn't easier
> to focus manually on the longer end than on the shorter
> end? I haven't and this pretty much squelches
> any argument to the contrary over this. Its just
> simple differences in the DOF. The more DOF
> you have, the harder it is to find the true
> focal point because the DOF is masking it
> to some extent and you don't pop in an out
> of focus as quickly as you do with a longer
> lens which has shallower DOF at the same
> fstop and distance.

I don't have much use for zooms, the only constant aperture one I own is 
a 70-210 f/2.8.
Shel originally mentioned that he didn't see much difference in ease of 
focus between a couple of primes anyway, so why bring zooms into the 
discussion?
There was a comment made that he (and I) didn't have more trouble 
focusing a medium wide angle lens than a short telephoto when stopped 
down to f/8, using an istDs (shel) and an istD (me).
I am aware of the optical theory you are using for your assertion, I 
suspect that the difference in DOF between the two focal lengths isn't 
great enough to cause either Shel or myself a problem.
I don't care if you disagree with what my eyes tell me or not, since 
what my eyes tell me is true.

William Robb





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Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <
Subject: Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?


> Bill, Bill, Bill.

I know, I meant 105/2.8 at f/8. -)

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RE: RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Dear Sir ( is that gentlemanly enough) ,
You forgot to mention fstop used on the
105 lens and I don't even think there is
such a thing as a K105/2.5 lens if I am
not mistaken.

Secondly, have YOU ever used a constant
aperture zoom of ANY range that wasn't easier
to focus manually on the longer end than on the shorter
end? I haven't and this pretty much squelches
any argument to the contrary over this. Its just 
simple differences in the DOF. The more DOF
you have, the harder it is to find the true
focal point because the DOF is masking it
to some extent and you don't pop in an out
of focus as quickly as you do with a longer
lens which has shallower DOF at the same
fstop and distance.

jco

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- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
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to the list?


> And not all opinions are created equal. One that
> can be backed up by a solid factual arguement to
> support it is worth a hell of a lot more than one
> that can't.
>

I presume then that finding very little if any difference in focusing 
difficulty between an M40/2.8 at f/8 and a K105/2.5 would be creating 
the facts required to support an argument?

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RE: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[J. C. O'Connell]

It sure makes for one expensive 27mm equivalent
though. I sold my mint 18mm F3.5 K lens for $820
last year on ebay. I think a smaller digital format
lens would be cheaper and better if they make one.
jco

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John Whittingham wrote:
>> My most used kit on DS consists of SMC K 18/3.5 and SMC FA 35/2,
>> sometimes SMC M 50/1.4 and longer - and these are the lenses I use 
>> on MX either. All lenses are fine to focus on MX, on the DS I find 
>> that the easiest to focus is SMC M 50.
>> 
>
> What is your opinion of the K 18mm f/3.5 on digital, I have one I'm 
> thinking
> of using on the K10D.
>   
Well, I'm not the best person to ask as I have absolutely no experience 
with other ultra-wides on digital or analog. That said, for me SMC K 18 
is very useful: it is faster than most of zooms, its compact, and it 
fits my MX, too. :)

Here are some of casual shots taken with it on *ist DS:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pawelb/sets/72157594375271047/

As you can see, there is some distortion and chromatic aberration, too, 
but nothing that could not be taken care of in SILKYPIX or other RAW 
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RE: RE: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[J. C. O'Connell]

I was posting to someone else who used
the *its and said he was having trouble
focussing with it and he didn't with his
MX. Talk to him if you don't believe him,
not me.
jco

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DS?


> How can this be? Don't you know that "modern"
> cameras have much better finders and new finder
> technology than any 30 year old MX? ( sarcastism alert ).
>

Turn off the sarcasm and pick up an istD instead.
You might learn something about what you are talking about.

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Re: PESO: more 6x17

[Adam Maas]

That shot is superb. Incredibly sharp and the tones are amazing.

-Adam


Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> Things are beginning to settle with the new 617. I hope I have now made
> all mistakes which can be made. The 90 mm Grandagon was apparently
> faulty (lack of sharpness in the corners) and has been replaced by a
> 8/90 mm Nikkor. 
> 
> I've sure had a few good lenses in my time, the 85 and 250 mm Sonnars
> from my Contarex come to mind, but this Nikkor is incredible.
> Outreageously sharp with an almost 3-dimensional rendition. 
> 
> Here's one of Seraing in one of its more glamorous moods. Well, to be
> honest, the whole scenery had just re-emerged from the thickest cloud of
> black smoke I've ever seen coming out of the coking plant in the centre
> of the picture. :-)
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/7190683
> 
> Comments and suggestions are as always very welcome. 
> 
> Ralf
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PESO- merge to HDR

[jkmess]

I've decided to really try to come to grips with the 32bit hdr function in 
photoshop 
CS2.  the tricky part is working the curve when converting back down to 16 
bits.  
It's very easy to get awful results and quite hard to get good results.

This was shot Sunday evening at Darling Harbour in Sydney.  From memory there 
were about 7 exposures blended.  In hindsight, I should have taken a couple 
more 
further towards the underexposed side, but I'm still happy with the result.

Unfortunately, this is the largest size I can upload.

http://tinyurl.com/y46kuj

Comments welcome and if there's anyone out there with expertise with this 
function, advice is definitely welcome.  :)

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Re: PAW 2006 - 34,35 - GDG

[Paul Stenquist]

I like the carpet shop shot as well. An excellent composition. It  
reminds me of Gianfranco's current PUG shot.
Paul
On Nov 13, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Bob W wrote:

> Nice atmospheric shot of the carpet shop - well seen, and not
> something that many people would think to photograph. The steps are a
> bit more obvious and ordinary though.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bob
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
>> Sent: 13 November 2006 23:11
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>> Subject: PAW 2006 - 34,35 - GDG
>>
>> Two more from the town of Peel on the Isle of Man, on a damp and
>> blustery morning.
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/34.htm
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/35.htm
>>
>> comments, critique, flames always appreciated.
>>
>> Godfrey
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Re: PESO: more 6x17

[Paul Stenquist]

Even on this small web version, it appears to be very sharp. Another  
excellent photograph.
Paul
On Nov 13, 2006, at 6:42 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

> Things are beginning to settle with the new 617. I hope I have now  
> made
> all mistakes which can be made. The 90 mm Grandagon was apparently
> faulty (lack of sharpness in the corners) and has been replaced by a
> 8/90 mm Nikkor.
>
> I've sure had a few good lenses in my time, the 85 and 250 mm Sonnars
> from my Contarex come to mind, but this Nikkor is incredible.
> Outreageously sharp with an almost 3-dimensional rendition.
>
> Here's one of Seraing in one of its more glamorous moods. Well, to be
> honest, the whole scenery had just re-emerged from the thickest  
> cloud of
> black smoke I've ever seen coming out of the coking plant in the  
> centre
> of the picture. :-)
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/7190683
>
> Comments and suggestions are as always very welcome.
>
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Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

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Bill, Bill, Bill.
On Nov 13, 2006, at 7:20 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "J. C. O'Connell"
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange
> to the list?
>
>
>> And not all opinions are created equal. One that
>> can be backed up by a solid factual arguement to
>> support it is worth a hell of a lot more than one
>> that can't.
>>
>
> I presume then that finding very little if any difference in focusing
> difficulty between an M40/2.8 at f/8 and a K105/2.5 would be creating
> the facts required to support an argument?
>
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Re: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[Pawel Bartuzi]

John Whittingham wrote:
>> My most used kit on DS consists of SMC K 18/3.5 and SMC FA 35/2, 
>> sometimes SMC M 50/1.4 and longer - and these are the lenses I use 
>> on MX either. All lenses are fine to focus on MX, on the DS I find 
>> that the easiest to focus is SMC M 50.
>> 
>
> What is your opinion of the K 18mm f/3.5 on digital, I have one I'm thinking 
> of using on the K10D.
>   
Well, I'm not the best person to ask as I have absolutely no experience 
with other ultra-wides on digital or analog. That said, for me SMC K 18 
is very useful: it is faster than most of zooms, its compact, and it 
fits my MX, too. :)

Here are some of casual shots taken with it on *ist DS:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pawelb/sets/72157594375271047/

As you can see, there is some distortion and chromatic aberration, too, 
but nothing that could not be taken care of in SILKYPIX or other RAW 
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Re: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[Pawel Bartuzi]

Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>   I bought an old, used, Minolta split prism focus screen from a 
> local camera shop for $5.  After about 45 minutes of extremely careful 
> sanding, I got it to fit the APS-sized screen in my *ist-DS.  I've been 
> using it ever since and can completely nail the focus on such 
> time-independent careful shots.  Shots on the fly or of motion still 
> require the practice... :)
>   
That makes me wondering - I have a spare focusing screen from one of my 
MXs... Or may be I'll buy a screen for a MZ-M (it will be brighter for 
sure) and do the surgery? Thanks for the idea. :)

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Re: road trip time

[ann sanfedele]

Yeah - wrote him off list with my phone number...
my thought as well
ann

Amita Guha wrote:

> On 11/13/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > With Thanksgiving Day coming up, I decided to stay out of airplanes
> > and drive across country to New York to visit my mother and other
> > folks. Also with the hopes of doing some photography along the way,
> > perhaps visiting people briefly too.
>
> Where in New York? Perhaps we could do an NYPDML. :)
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Re: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[Cory Papenfuss]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Pawel Bartuzi wrote:

> Well, I admit I don't practice focusing as much as I used to several 
> years ago, however I find that I often take out of focus photos where I 
> have plenty of time for focusing the lens and am pretty sure focus will 
> be OK - and it isn't.
> 
> I checked Katz Eye website and their prices are not very affordable for 
> me at the moment, so if there is no other, cheaper alternative I suppose 
> practice is what I am left with. :-)
> 
I, too, felt the same way.  I was happy about a year ago when they 
announced that they were going to support the Pentax line with split-prism 
focus screens, but disappointed when I found out that they were going to 
be $130 or whatever.

I bought an old, used, Minolta split prism focus screen from a 
local camera shop for $5.  After about 45 minutes of extremely careful 
sanding, I got it to fit the APS-sized screen in my *ist-DS.  I've been 
using it ever since and can completely nail the focus on such 
time-independent careful shots.  Shots on the fly or of motion still 
require the practice... :)

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Re: RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[William Robb]

K105 also at f/8.


> From: "J. C. O'Connell"
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange
> to the list?
>
>
>> And not all opinions are created equal. One that
>> can be backed up by a solid factual arguement to
>> support it is worth a hell of a lot more than one
>> that can't.
>>
>
> I presume then that finding very little if any difference in focusing
> difficulty between an M40/2.8 at f/8 and a K105/2.5 would be creating
> the facts required to support an argument?
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Re: RE: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist 
DS?


> How can this be? Don't you know that "modern"
> cameras have much better finders and new finder
> technology than any 30 year old MX? ( sarcastism alert ).
>

Turn off the sarcasm and pick up an istD instead.
You might learn something about what you are talking about.

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Re: RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange 
to the list?


> And not all opinions are created equal. One that
> can be backed up by a solid factual arguement to
> support it is worth a hell of a lot more than one
> that can't.
>

I presume then that finding very little if any difference in focusing 
difficulty between an M40/2.8 at f/8 and a K105/2.5 would be creating 
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Re: Best SD card for K10D

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- Original Message - 
From: "Markus Maurer"
Subject: AW: Best SD card for K10D


> Hi William
> Thanks for that quick response.
> That does not sound very good but I will do a test print myself in the 
> next
> days at the rail station with a portrait just to see how well they 
> print
> skin tones and another in black and white to test if it will be purple 
> or
> brown tinted from the color paper like the ones I got from the labs 
> last
> year :-(

If you are wanting black and white from a colour process, expect 
dissapointment.
It's very difficult to get a perfectly neutral monochrome print from a 
colour printer.
The dye subs always had little colour casts here and there, some parts 
of the print would be good, other parts not so good.

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Re: PESO - Attack of the Giant Salamander

[ann sanfedele]

Where's the flamingo???

ann

John Forbes wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:58:45 -, Don Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> . I'd really like to see some inside pictures.
>
> Give the lizard your camera.
>
> John
>
> > D
> >
> > Bob Shell wrote:
> >> You beat me to it.  I was about to say that any house that pug ugly
> >> deserves to be attacked.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> On Nov 12, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Anyone with a house that color deserves to have it
> >>> attacked!
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>> --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  Huge salamanders have been attacking and carrying of
>  small pets and
>  children in the sleepy village of Kensington.
>  Recently these usually
>  docile creatures have been wreaking their particular
>  brand of havoc on the
>  homes and businesses in the neighborhood.  This
>  afternoon I caught a snap
>  of one of these creatures attacking a home around
>  the corner from Casa
>  Belinkoff.  Arrgh!
> 
>  http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/salamander.html
> 
>  No time for tech details!
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - Attack of the Giant Salamander

[P. J. Alling]

The went here

http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_giantflamingos.html

ann sanfedele wrote:
> Where's the flamingo???
>
> ann
>
> John Forbes wrote:
>
>   
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:58:45 -, Don Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> . I'd really like to see some inside pictures.
>>
>> Give the lizard your camera.
>>
>> John
>>
>> 
>>> D
>>>
>>> Bob Shell wrote:
>>>   
 You beat me to it.  I was about to say that any house that pug ugly
 deserves to be attacked.

 Bob

 On Nov 12, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Rick Womer wrote:


 
> Anyone with a house that color deserves to have it
> attacked!
>
> Rick
>
> --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>   
>> Huge salamanders have been attacking and carrying of
>> small pets and
>> children in the sleepy village of Kensington.
>> Recently these usually
>> docile creatures have been wreaking their particular
>> brand of havoc on the
>> homes and businesses in the neighborhood.  This
>> afternoon I caught a snap
>> of one of these creatures attacking a home around
>> the corner from Casa
>> Belinkoff.  Arrgh!
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/salamander.html
>>
>> No time for tech details!
>>
>>
>> Shel
>>
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RE: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of mike wilson
> Sent: 13 November 2006 22:48
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> 
> Bob W wrote:
> 
> > Great shot. I'd like to see one of those in the wild 
> sometime, before
> > they go the way the thylacine.
> > 
> > Memo to self: Go to Tasmania.
> > 
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> >  Bob
> 
> Any extras for your kit list?
> 

A robust codpiece. Those little devils have very sharp teeth.

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RE: PAW 2006 - 34,35 - GDG

[Bob W]

Nice atmospheric shot of the carpet shop - well seen, and not
something that many people would think to photograph. The steps are a
bit more obvious and ordinary though.

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> Sent: 13 November 2006 23:11
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> Subject: PAW 2006 - 34,35 - GDG
> 
> Two more from the town of Peel on the Isle of Man, on a damp and  
> blustery morning.
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/34.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/35.htm
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> comments, critique, flames always appreciated.
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RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[J. C. O'Connell]

And not all opinions are created equal. One that
can be backed up by a solid factual arguement to
support it is worth a hell of a lot more than one
that can't.
jco

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Truth is never a matter of opinion, truth is a matter of fact.  Opinion 
is often the only thing used to discern fact from fiction.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Unfortunately, truth is often a matter of opinion. And sometimes
> grownups and gentlemen have to agree to disagree.
> Paul
> On Nov 12, 2006, at 10:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>   
>> Its not a matter of "winning" an argument, its
>> a metter of standing up for right and wrong
>> or true and false. Im not posting to "win",
>> Im posting to set the truth on the matter(s).
>> This list isnt a place for contests.
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Paul Stenquist
>> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:15 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?
>>
>>
>> I don't think anyone has to go so far as to filter the threads, 
>> although to each their own.  I've never filtered anyone, and I'm none

>> the worse for the experience. But it think we all know that there's a

>> point where it doesn't make sense to continue with posts addressed 
>> directly to anyone who feels they have to win an argument. I've been 
>> guilty of it with several people here over the years, but it's just 
>> unproductive. Paul
>> On Nov 12, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> You're probably right, but all I was trying to do was add a little 
>>> levity to the situation.  Perhaps in another case the lightness of 
>>> my post would
>>> have been seen and appreciated.  And that, my friend, is another
>>> aspect of
>>> having discussions with JCO - there's no way to use levity or humor.
>>>
>>> It's probably best for all involved that I just filter every thread 
>>> that involves JCO ... I'm sure it'll be my loss, but there are other
>>> sources of
>>> valuable information available here and on the 'net.
>>>
>>> Shel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Stenquist
 
 I'm sorry, but this is unnecessary provocation.

 On Nov 11, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 
>   What kind of convoluted double-speak is that?!
>
> Shel
>
>
> JCO wrote:
>
>   
>>  I am saying your wrong in the concept
>> of that reply post of yours. Someone
>> may think they just disagree but if their concept
>> is invalid to my contention than thats another
>> matter altogether and I won't just "let it drop"
>> because it implies that your post is somehow
>> a valid rebuttal/opinion when its not if it is irrelavant to my 
>> contention.
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RE: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[J. C. O'Connell]

How can this be? Don't you know that "modern"
cameras have much better finders and new finder
technology than any 30 year old MX? ( sarcastism alert ).
jco

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mike wilson wrote:
>> I prefer using manual focus and while I have no trouble focusing
>> manually on my MX, I find it difficult on the *ist DS - up to the
point 
>> that 30-50% of my manually focused, not stopped down shots land in a 
>> recycle bin just for being out of focus.
>> 
>
> Are you talking about the same lens on each camera?
>   
My most used kit on DS consists of SMC K 18/3.5 and SMC FA 35/2, 
sometimes SMC M 50/1.4 and longer - and these are the lenses I use on MX

either. All lenses are fine to focus on MX, on the DS I find that the 
easiest to focus is SMC M 50.

What irritates me most is that often I focus meticulously only to find 
on the LCD that the shot is out of focus (however I admit that it is 
usually the case when neither the light nor the object is very
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PESO: more 6x17

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Things are beginning to settle with the new 617. I hope I have now made
all mistakes which can be made. The 90 mm Grandagon was apparently
faulty (lack of sharpness in the corners) and has been replaced by a
8/90 mm Nikkor. 

I've sure had a few good lenses in my time, the 85 and 250 mm Sonnars
from my Contarex come to mind, but this Nikkor is incredible.
Outreageously sharp with an almost 3-dimensional rendition. 

Here's one of Seraing in one of its more glamorous moods. Well, to be
honest, the whole scenery had just re-emerged from the thickest cloud of
black smoke I've ever seen coming out of the coking plant in the centre
of the picture. :-)

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/7190683

Comments and suggestions are as always very welcome. 

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AW: Best SD card for K10D

[Markus Maurer]

Hi William
Thanks for that quick response.
That does not sound very good but I will do a test print myself in the next
days at the rail station with a portrait just to see how well they print
skin tones and another in black and white to test if it will be purple or
brown tinted from the color paper like the ones I got from the labs last
year :-(

greetings
Markus






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Subject: AW: Best SD card for K10D


> Hi William
> do you see a quality difference in the prints or the used paper
> between
> these "Kiosk printers" and compared to the "lab way" of ordering
> prints?

That depends on the kiosk. Some of them are tethered to the photo lab's
printer, and allow the customer to have "real" photographic prints. Some
are using dye sublimation printers built into the kiosk.
Personally, I don't like the look of the dye sub prints, and I have seen
some fairly serious fading issues within a very short time with them as
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RE: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[J. C. O'Connell]

I dont understand, either all you lenses
should manual focus correct or all you lenses
should manually misfocus, as it's a camera thingy.

Are you saying only one lens manually misfocuses?

JCO

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Pawel Bartuzi wrote:

> mike wilson wrote:
> 
>>>I prefer using manual focus and while I have no trouble focusing
>>>manually on my MX, I find it difficult on the *ist DS - up to the
point 
>>>that 30-50% of my manually focused, not stopped down shots land in a 
>>>recycle bin just for being out of focus.
>>>
>>
>>Are you talking about the same lens on each camera?
>>  
> 
> My most used kit on DS consists of SMC K 18/3.5 and SMC FA 35/2,
> sometimes SMC M 50/1.4 and longer - and these are the lenses I use on
MX 
> either. All lenses are fine to focus on MX, on the DS I find that the 
> easiest to focus is SMC M 50.
> 
> What irritates me most is that often I focus meticulously only to find
> on the LCD that the shot is out of focus (however I admit that it is 
> usually the case when neither the light nor the object is very
contrasty).
> 
The reason I asked is because I recently found, with one of my lenses, 
that it was misfocusing.  At first I thought it was me but, after 
careful testing, I found that it was the equipment.

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AW: Best SD card for K10D

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Rob
thanks and to be precise the lower prices of 15-19 Rappen per photo 13x9 or
15x10cm are only valid at discounter foto labs.
If you order photos from the warehouses here you pay half a swiss franc up
to 60 Rappen as well per photo
which is the same price as on the Kiosk.
greetings
Markus


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On 14/11/06, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Rob
> What kind of printer technology is inside a "Kiosk" and are they all the
> same quality wise?
> I see them coming here in the rail stations too but have not tried to
print
> so far.
> The cost is 2-3 times higher than if you order a normal color photo from
the
> lab here.

I've never actually investigated as I don't use them. But I'll have a
look today and see if the attendants can tell me (har!) I'll also
check comparative pricing.

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RE: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Another possible solution in some cases
may be focus bracketing if you have
enought shooting time and memory card
space. Stopping way down (during exposure) helps too if you
dont mind the extra depth of field and have the
speed. There are focussing magnifiers too that might
help.
jco

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I wear -1.5 diopter eyeglasses so for shooting when not using eyeglasses

I have adjusted the viewfinder diopter on DS (nearly all the way to the 
right) and I find the image to be clear and crisp. On my MX viewfinder I

have Pentax -2 M correction lens. I tried mounting the M correction lens

on the DS and I find that it makes no difference for me if I adjust 
diopters using external correction lens or internal DS adjustment.

I routinely focus using only matte area, so lack of split image or 
microprisms is no big deal for me. I just find that when neither the 
light nor the object is contrasty I can not "lock" on the focus with the

DS. I suppose a bigger or more "grainy" screen would be helpful... But 
for now I will try to take Godfreys advice and try to practice more. :-)

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Bruce Dayton wrote:
> Have you adjusted the viewfinder diopter?  That seems like an 
> unusually high number.  Also, on your MX, can you focus with the matte

> area only or would your focusing misses be about the same.
>
> I can say that for me, I much prefer no focusing aids like split 
> rangefinders or microprisms.  In my film cameras, I would always get a

> plain matte instead of the split image.
>
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Re: Best SD card for K10D

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Markus Maurer"
Subject: AW: Best SD card for K10D


> Hi William
> do you see a quality difference in the prints or the used paper 
> between
> these "Kiosk printers" and compared to the "lab way" of ordering 
> prints?

That depends on the kiosk. Some of them are tethered to the photo lab's 
printer, and allow the customer to have "real" photographic prints. Some 
are using dye sublimation printers built into the kiosk.
Personally, I don't like the look of the dye sub prints, and I have seen 
some fairly serious fading issues within a very short time with them as 
well.

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RE: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[J. C. O'Connell]

No I didnt take offence, I found it humorus too, but for
a different reason, & I was just pointing out the guy's
contradictary behavior.
jco

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J.C., 

I read it as a relaxed, half-serious comment that implies that there are
no 
"grownups" on the list.  Since I post here, that includes me.  I'm not 
offended.  Are you? 

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>Kind of hypocritical isn't it? He wants to classify himself
>as a gentleman but still can't help himself from throwing in another 
>personal insult with the "grownup" comment in the very same 
>breath/sentence. jco
>
> Bob wrote:
>>
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>>> And sometimes
>>> grownups and gentlemen have to agree to disagree.
>>
>>There are some of those on this list?  Could have fooled me.
>>
>>Bob

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PAW 2006 - 34,35 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Two more from the town of Peel on the Isle of Man, on a damp and  
blustery morning.

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/34.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/35.htm

comments, critique, flames always appreciated.

Godfrey

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AW: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Henk
an interesting photo, story and animal of course.
thanks for showing it.
greetings
Markus

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Thanks for all comments. Devils are scavengers and may be dangerous for
other devils and small slow animals, but not for humans. Their sound is
horrifying  -especially for campers at night. Some healthy specimens
(such as this one) are kept in quarantine because of the wide-spread
facial tumour disease which is believed to be a form of cancer.

Henk

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Great shot. Ugly beast. Are they dangerous?
Paul
On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:

> Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one 
> obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth disease
>
>
http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Animals/slides/IMGP610
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>
>
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Re: PESO - The forest through the trees

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton"
Subject: PESO - The forest through the trees


> Not my usual kind of shot.  The lighting really caught my attention.
>
> Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm
> ISO 800, 1/30 sec @ f/6.7, handheld
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3831bw.htm
>
> Comments welcome

Thats another of those "Aren't your pictures worth a Wisner" pictures.
This is the sort of thing I was hinting at with Paul the other day.
Some pictures are deserving of the fine detail that only a big piece of 
film can deliver, this is one of them.
This is why I am of the opinion that the smug statements such as "good 
photographers are good photographers regardless of technology" are 
somewhat less than truthful.
They imply that the technology doesn't matter, when in fact, technology 
is what makes the photograph, and often, the technology just isn't up to 
the task.

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Re: PESO - Quintessential Fun!

[mike wilson]

Bob W wrote:

> Wow - excellent! She looks like an ape (that's a compliment!).
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bob

Not gibbon lightly, I bet.

> 
> 
> 
> 
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>>Subject: PESO - Quintessential Fun!
>>
>>http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=15682
>>
>>All comments welcome!
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
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Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?

[P. J. Alling]

Truth is never a matter of opinion, truth is a matter of fact.  Opinion 
is often the only thing used to discern fact from fiction.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Unfortunately, truth is often a matter of opinion. And sometimes  
> grownups and gentlemen have to agree to disagree.
> Paul
> On Nov 12, 2006, at 10:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>   
>> Its not a matter of "winning" an argument, its
>> a metter of standing up for right and wrong
>> or true and false. Im not posting to "win",
>> Im posting to set the truth on the matter(s).
>> This list isnt a place for contests.
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
>> Behalf Of
>> Paul Stenquist
>> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:15 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Using a Super Tak w/ istDS- A challange to the list?
>>
>>
>> I don't think anyone has to go so far as to filter the threads,
>> although to each their own.  I've never filtered anyone, and I'm none
>> the worse for the experience. But it think we all know that there's a
>> point where it doesn't make sense to continue with posts addressed
>> directly to anyone who feels they have to win an argument. I've been
>> guilty of it with several people here over the years, but it's just
>> unproductive.
>> Paul
>> On Nov 12, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> You're probably right, but all I was trying to do was add a little
>>> levity
>>> to the situation.  Perhaps in another case the lightness of my post
>>> would
>>> have been seen and appreciated.  And that, my friend, is another
>>> aspect of
>>> having discussions with JCO - there's no way to use levity or humor.
>>>
>>> It's probably best for all involved that I just filter every thread
>>> that
>>> involves JCO ... I'm sure it'll be my loss, but there are other
>>> sources of
>>> valuable information available here and on the 'net.
>>>
>>> Shel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Stenquist
 
 I'm sorry, but this is unnecessary provocation.

 On Nov 11, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 
>   What kind of convoluted double-speak is that?!
>
> Shel
>
>
> JCO wrote:
>
>   
>>  I am saying your wrong in the concept
>> of that reply post of yours. Someone
>> may think they just disagree but if their concept
>> is invalid to my contention than thats another
>> matter altogether and I won't just "let it drop"
>> because it implies that your post is somehow
>> a valid rebuttal/opinion when its not if it is
>> irrelavant to my contention.
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Re: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[mike wilson]

Pawel Bartuzi wrote:

> mike wilson wrote:
> 
>>>I prefer using manual focus and while I have no trouble focusing 
>>>manually on my MX, I find it difficult on the *ist DS - up to the point 
>>>that 30-50% of my manually focused, not stopped down shots land in a 
>>>recycle bin just for being out of focus.
>>>
>>
>>Are you talking about the same lens on each camera?
>>  
> 
> My most used kit on DS consists of SMC K 18/3.5 and SMC FA 35/2, 
> sometimes SMC M 50/1.4 and longer - and these are the lenses I use on MX 
> either. All lenses are fine to focus on MX, on the DS I find that the 
> easiest to focus is SMC M 50.
> 
> What irritates me most is that often I focus meticulously only to find 
> on the LCD that the shot is out of focus (however I admit that it is 
> usually the case when neither the light nor the object is very contrasty).
> 
The reason I asked is because I recently found, with one of my lenses, 
that it was misfocusing.  At first I thought it was me but, after 
careful testing, I found that it was the equipment.

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Re: On Topic Re: Best SD card for K10D

[John Francis]

On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 01:43:31PM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> As an aside, I read somewhere (DPreview?) that someone used a 4GB SD card
> that wasn't listed as being SDHC in one of their Pentax DSLR's that had the
> appropriate firmware upgrade, and found the card to function perfectly.  It
> formatted to slightly less than 4GB, which is to be expected, and the
> camera was able to fill the card, format and reformat it with no problems. 
> Maybe that's an indicator that either the card was SDHC compliant but not
> marked as such, or that Pentax doesn't have to use SDHC cards, but that any
> 4GB card can be used.

Unlikely.  I'd suspect that the 4GB card complied with enough of the SDHC
spec to allow the camera to use it.   But this doesn't mean the card was
fully SDHC compliant - just that the differences didn't matter to that
camera.  There could well be some SDHC-compliant devices (such as a card
reader, perhaps, or a different body) where the difference *was* important.

I'm sure, too, that there are some other 4GB cards out there that don't
work in the camera (or which might work in one DSLR, but not in another).

I think buying anything larger than 2GB that isn't documented as being
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Re: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[mike wilson]

Bob W wrote:

> Great shot. I'd like to see one of those in the wild sometime, before
> they go the way the thylacine.
> 
> Memo to self: Go to Tasmania.
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bob

Any extras for your kit list?

> 
> 
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>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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>>Sent: 13 November 2006 18:42
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>>Subject: PESO - Tasmanian Devil
>>
>>Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one
>>obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth
> 
> disease
> 
>>http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Animals/slid
>>es/IMGP610
>>1.html
>>
>>
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Re: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[John Whittingham]

> My most used kit on DS consists of SMC K 18/3.5 and SMC FA 35/2, 
> sometimes SMC M 50/1.4 and longer - and these are the lenses I use 
> on MX either. All lenses are fine to focus on MX, on the DS I find 
> that the easiest to focus is SMC M 50.

What is your opinion of the K 18mm f/3.5 on digital, I have one I'm thinking 
of using on the K10D.

Regards,

John


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> mike wilson wrote:
> >> I prefer using manual focus and while I have no trouble focusing 
> >> manually on my MX, I find it difficult on the *ist DS - up to the point 
> >> that 30-50% of my manually focused, not stopped down shots land in a 
> >> recycle bin just for being out of focus.
> >> 
> >
> > Are you talking about the same lens on each camera?
> >   
> My most used kit on DS consists of SMC K 18/3.5 and SMC FA 35/2, 
> sometimes SMC M 50/1.4 and longer - and these are the lenses I use 
> on MX either. All lenses are fine to focus on MX, on the DS I find 
> that the easiest to focus is SMC M 50.
> 
> What irritates me most is that often I focus meticulously only to 
> find on the LCD that the shot is out of focus (however I admit that 
> it is usually the case when neither the light nor the object is very 
> contrasty).
> 
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Re: Fastes, Widest Lens for the Pentax DSLR's

[John Forbes]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:53:18 -, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Personally I think there are a lot of unrealistic expectations
> about lenses for a DSLR being smaller and lighter than lenses
> for a 35mm film camera.
>
> There will, of course, be some cases where the smaller sensor
> area allows a lens with a given focal length to be noticeably
> smaller, but these will be in the middle focal length range
> (say 28-70mm), where the size of the lens mount probably makes
> as much of a contribution to the physical dimensions of the
> lens as does the optical design.  When you get out to the
> extremes there are other isses that will dominate.
>
> The big size benefit I see from my *ist-D is that now I can
> carry a 200mm/f2.8 where I used to carry a 300mm/f2.8. That
> makes a significant difference to the size and to the weight.

And to the cost!

John


> On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:58:41PM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> The difference in design is more than simply angle of view and image
>> circle. Lenses designed for a digital sensor have to work hard to
>> 'straighten' the light path so as to be close to orthogonal to the
>> sensor, something that was never an issue with film. This means a
>> more complex design, particularly for the ultra wide angle lenses,
>> which adds elements and bulk to the lens assembly.
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2006, at 2:29 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe ... I don't know.  But, the Olympus Zuiko 21/2.0 was for full
>> > frame,
>> > weight but 250 grams or so, and used 55mm filters.  Compare that to
>> > the
>> > A20/2.8 or even the K20/4.0.  The Pentax M20/4.0 was quite a bit
>> > smaller
>> > and lighter than its predecessor.  The pentax M85/2.0 is substantially
>> > smaller than the Leica 90/2.8 Elmarit, and the Leica Tele-Elmarit
>> > 2.8 is
>> > smaller than either.  The Pentax M35/2.0 is substantially smaller
>> > than the
>> > K35/2.0.
>> >
>> > So, why couldn't a modern 14mm be a lot smaller than an earlier 15mm?
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Re: On Topic Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Not yet that I've seen.

G

On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I've not seen any cards (SD or otherwise) rated faster than 150X.   
> Does
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Re: On Topic Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Shel Belinkoff]

I've not seen any cards (SD or otherwise) rated faster than 150X.  Does
anyone know of any?

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>
> There is no real "best". Buy the fastest SD card from a reliable  
> vendor at the best pricing you can find. Transcend 150x SD in 2G  
> capacity are currently available at around $40 apiece from NewEgg.com.



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Re: PESO - Quintessential Fun!

[Paul Stenquist]

Great action pic. Good work.
Paul
On Nov 13, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Bob W wrote:

> Wow - excellent! She looks like an ape (that's a compliment!).
>
> --
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>  Bob
>
>
>
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>>
>> http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=15682
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>> All comments welcome!
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Shel Belinkoff]

Same here.  I've read lots of scanning tips and suggestions for a variety
of techniques, but overall, it seemed that the Nikon worked just great with
very little need for fiddling.  Scanning B&W or color neg gave good,
consistent results.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Kenneth Waller 

> Its all relative to the equipment used.
> I use a Nikon Super Cools 4000 
> ED scanner on my slide captured images & get 
> very good results without any fiddling.

Paul Stenquist wrote:

> > Scanning negatives is 
> > much more time consuming 
> > and much more difficult than 
> > processing digital files. 



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Re: On Topic Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Shel Belinkoff]

Bill, as has been stated here several times, you'd want a 133X - 150X
SDcard in a capacity that suits your needs.  Sticking with a good brand
like SanDisk, Lexar, Transcend, and others, instead of a no-name or generic
card is all you really need to be concerned with.  Some cards at a rated
speed may be a little faster than others (Aaron tested a Kingston card and,
iirc, it wasn't quite as fast as others with a similar rating).  As for
capacity, well, at least for the time being, until the SDHC cards and
readers are better integrated into the market, it might be wise to stay
with2GB cards.  However, by the time the K10D is released, there may be
more SDHC cards and readers out there from which to choose.

As an aside, I read somewhere (DPreview?) that someone used a 4GB SD card
that wasn't listed as being SDHC in one of their Pentax DSLR's that had the
appropriate firmware upgrade, and found the card to function perfectly.  It
formatted to slightly less than 4GB, which is to be expected, and the
camera was able to fill the card, format and reformat it with no problems. 
Maybe that's an indicator that either the card was SDHC compliant but not
marked as such, or that Pentax doesn't have to use SDHC cards, but that any
4GB card can be used.  However, at this point, I'd wait for definite
confirmation on the latter point, especially in your situation where you're
planning a major trip.

Shel



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> So, what is the Best SD card for K10D? Can it be answered before people
get
> the cameras?
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Re: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Great shot!

Godfrey

On Nov 13, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

> Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one
> obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth disease
>
>  IMGP6101.html>
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Re: PESO - The forest through the trees

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That's a wonderful shot, Bruce. Strong and well presented. I'm sure  
that the middle tones are going to be finicky based on monitor  
calibration, but it works very well on my screen.

Godfrey

On Nov 13, 2006, at 8:41 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Not my usual kind of shot.  The lighting really caught my attention.
>
> Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm
> ISO 800, 1/30 sec @ f/6.7, handheld
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3831bw.htm


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Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Peter Lacus]

Doug,

> Whopping large hard drives and recordable DVDs. Storing them is a lot
> smaller problem than getting them indexed well enough to find the one
> shot you want from a couple of years ago.

yes indeed, storage in my interpretation means not just a physical place 
for data, but also some kind of quick access to it (index, database) and 
of course backup.

One more question for everybody: how often do you look at your stored 
pictures, if ever? I'm asking because my digital archive so far consists 
of about 2000 pictures (still fits on one DVD comfortably) but I hardly 
remember when I saw some of them the last time.

> I usually carry 4-5 GB of CF cards for the *ist D and I expect to do the
> same for the K10D. 

I doubt it, AFAIK K10D uses SD... ;-)

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Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:21 PM, K.Takeshita wrote:

>> It's one of the things I found to be a very desireable feature of
>> APS: no manual handling of the film is required. This means less
>> scratching, dust, spotting, etc.
>
> This is the MAJOR reason why I still use APS once in a while,  
> despite all
> its disadvantages (smaller format and so forth).  But for the outdoor
> trekking use, it's ideal.  In fact, I have all 3 models of APS SLRs  
> (Canon
> Ixe, Minolta Vectis S-1 and Nikon Pronea 600i) all with spare ones  
> because I
> figured they would quickly be lost in the digital ear which they  
> did.  You
> may call me crazy (Total 6 APS SLRs? :-).
> I wish to continue using 35mm too but I want this automatic  
> scanning (load
> it and forget it) like APS scanning, which means to me I have to  
> buy more
> expensive Nikon scanner.
> Automatic scanning takes much of the pain away from the film scanning.

LOL ... I still have a Canon EOS IX (sadly, just 22-55mm lens now  
that all my good Canon primes are sold), an ELPH Jr and a Contax Tix.  
Do you need another Canon IX body? ;-)

Godfrey

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Re: On Topic Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

There is no real "best". Buy the fastest SD card from a reliable  
vendor at the best pricing you can find. Transcend 150x SD in 2G  
capacity are currently available at around $40 apiece from NewEgg.com.

If you want larger capacities, make sure what you're buying is SDHC  
compliant for reliability. They're not particularly common just yet.  
I think Sandisk markets Ultra II spec cards (60x rated speed) in SD  
and SDHC specification.

Godfrey


On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Bill Lawlor wrote:

> So, what is the Best SD card for K10D? Can it be answered before  
> people get
> the cameras?


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Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Digital Image Studio]

On 14/11/06, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Rob
> What kind of printer technology is inside a "Kiosk" and are they all the
> same quality wise?
> I see them coming here in the rail stations too but have not tried to print
> so far.
> The cost is 2-3 times higher than if you order a normal color photo from the
> lab here.

I've never actually investigated as I don't use them. But I'll have a
look today and see if the attendants can tell me (har!) I'll also
check comparative pricing.

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Re: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Digital Image Studio]

On 14/11/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Great shot. I'd like to see one of those in the wild sometime, before
> they go the way the thylacine.
>
> Memo to self: Go to Tasmania.

Unfortunately unless captive they are very hard to see and like Hank
said this facial tumor appears now to be a virally transmitted cancer
which may have some incubation period. Given the way these creatures
behave (fighting/biting) then they may soon join the Tassie Tiger :-(

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Re: PESO - The forest through the trees

[Toine]

Very nice. B&W rendering is perfect. Do I see some kind of graffiti on the tree?
Toine

On 11/13/06, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not my usual kind of shot.  The lighting really caught my attention.
>
> Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm
> ISO 800, 1/30 sec @ f/6.7, handheld
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3831bw.htm
>
> Comments welcome
>
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RE: road trip time

[Bob W]

That sounds like good trip to make - a real road movie. I'm just
reading a fascinating book by a British chap who followed the 49ers'
trail from Washington to California on a pushbike -fascinating stuff
and makes me want to see it.

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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
> Sent: 13 November 2006 15:29
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> Subject: road trip time
> 
> With Thanksgiving Day coming up, I decided to stay out of airplanes

> and drive across country to New York to visit my mother and other  
> folks. Also with the hopes of doing some photography along the way,

> perhaps visiting people briefly too.
> 
> The way east will be mostly rushed with few opportunities to 
> stop ...  
> mostly pounding I80, weather permitting, coast to coast with only a

> couple of detours. The way west should be more leisurely and I'll  
> likely head a more southerly route.
> 
> So if anyone along the way would like to hook up for a cup of 
> coffee,  
> a couple hours making photos, or a night's stop over, send me a  
> private email so I can get info about where you are, etc.
> 
> Yippee! I love road trips. ;-)
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Re: K10D & GX-10 (Samsung) samples

[Digital Image Studio]

On 14/11/06, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Me too is puzzled by the fringe/CA.
> Especially I'm amazed by the brick wall images. That's not a high contrast
> motif. I can't see why there should be CA there. Is it because of a lemon
> 16-45 sample, or are they in some kind of serious trouble? I know this is
> just samples from a preproduction camera, but I can't help wondering...

CA should be independent of image contrast as it's a function of the
lens. In essence CA occurs because the colours are split due to
slightly differing magnification ratios across the colour spectrum. CA
may exacerbate purple fringing (bloom) caused by high contrast and
over-saturation of the sensor  but they are essentially independent
issues.

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Re: Best SD card for K10D

[K.Takeshita]

On 11/13/06 11:52 AM, "Godfrey DiGiorgi", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's one of the things I found to be a very desireable feature of
> APS: no manual handling of the film is required. This means less
> scratching, dust, spotting, etc.

This is the MAJOR reason why I still use APS once in a while, despite all
its disadvantages (smaller format and so forth).  But for the outdoor
trekking use, it's ideal.  In fact, I have all 3 models of APS SLRs (Canon
Ixe, Minolta Vectis S-1 and Nikon Pronea 600i) all with spare ones because I
figured they would quickly be lost in the digital ear which they did.  You
may call me crazy (Total 6 APS SLRs? :-).
I wish to continue using 35mm too but I want this automatic scanning (load
it and forget it) like APS scanning, which means to me I have to buy more
expensive Nikon scanner.
Automatic scanning takes much of the pain away from the film scanning.

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Re: PESO - Quintessential Fun!

[DagT]

Den 13. nov. 2006 kl. 20.10 skrev Boris Liberman:

> http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=15682
>
> All comments welcome!
>
> Thanks.

Nice movement.  My kids would love that one.

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RE: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Bob W]

Great shot. I'd like to see one of those in the wild sometime, before
they go the way the thylacine.

Memo to self: Go to Tasmania.

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> Subject: PESO - Tasmanian Devil
> 
> Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one
> obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth
disease
> 
> http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Animals/slid
> es/IMGP610
> 1.html
> 
> 
> Henk
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RE: PESO - Quintessential Fun!

[Bob W]

Wow - excellent! She looks like an ape (that's a compliment!).

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> 
> http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=15682
> 
> All comments welcome!
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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RE: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Henk Terhell]

Thanks for all comments. Devils are scavengers and may be dangerous for
other devils and small slow animals, but not for humans. Their sound is
horrifying  -especially for campers at night. Some healthy specimens
(such as this one) are kept in quarantine because of the wide-spread
facial tumour disease which is believed to be a form of cancer.

Henk

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Great shot. Ugly beast. Are they dangerous?
Paul
On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:

> Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one 
> obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth disease
>
>
http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Animals/slides/IMGP610
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>
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Re: On Topic Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Bill Lawlor]

So, what is the Best SD card for K10D? Can it be answered before people get
the cameras?
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Re: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[Pawel Bartuzi]

mike wilson wrote:
>> I prefer using manual focus and while I have no trouble focusing 
>> manually on my MX, I find it difficult on the *ist DS - up to the point 
>> that 30-50% of my manually focused, not stopped down shots land in a 
>> recycle bin just for being out of focus.
>> 
>
> Are you talking about the same lens on each camera?
>   
My most used kit on DS consists of SMC K 18/3.5 and SMC FA 35/2, 
sometimes SMC M 50/1.4 and longer - and these are the lenses I use on MX 
either. All lenses are fine to focus on MX, on the DS I find that the 
easiest to focus is SMC M 50.

What irritates me most is that often I focus meticulously only to find 
on the LCD that the shot is out of focus (however I admit that it is 
usually the case when neither the light nor the object is very contrasty).

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RE: PESO - The forest through the trees

[Bob W]

Very nicely lit and composed, and a lovely range of greys. Nice subtle
shot - it's a very good picture and bears a lot of looking at.

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> 
> Not my usual kind of shot.  The lighting really caught my attention.
> 
> Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm
> ISO 800, 1/30 sec @ f/6.7, handheld
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3831bw.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
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RE: PESO - The forest through the trees

[Jens Bladt]

I can see why!
Well done, Bruce.
Regards

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Not my usual kind of shot.  The lighting really caught my attention.

Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm
ISO 800, 1/30 sec @ f/6.7, handheld

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3831bw.htm

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Re: Best SD card for K10D

[Shel Belinkoff]

Yes, but it's easy enough to scan the entire roll first and then cut and
sleeve the negs.  That's the way we did it.  And of course all the Nikons
that I've used will automatically scan negs cut in strips of six frames. 
Of course, if the negs have already been cut, the entire roll can't be
auto-scanned, and then maybe some other machine would be required.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Shell 

> > Nikon makes one that will automatically 
> > scan an entire roll of 35mm  film.
> > I've used it - don't recall the model 
> > (Super Coolscan 4000 and Super
> > Coolscan 5000 come to mind).  When 
> > I bought my scanner I believe the 5000
> > model, including the bulk film attachment, 
> > was selling for less than $1500.00
>
> You have to have the whole roll uncut, right?  My negatives are cut  
> into strips of six and stored in archival pages.  My slides are  
> mostly mounted.  I tried one of the Nikon gadgets to feed slides  
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Re: PESO - Just an autumn picture

[Cotty]

On 13/11/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:

> I liked that pattern of leaves  
>everywhere (almost impressionist, like Cotty said) 

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Re: PESO - Just an autumn picture

[Paul Sorenson]

That's two for the Monet

Cotty wrote:
> On 13/11/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I´m almost starting to PAW again...
>>
>> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=271803
> 
> Very Monet ;-)
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Re: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[Pawel Bartuzi]

I wear -1.5 diopter eyeglasses so for shooting when not using eyeglasses 
I have adjusted the viewfinder diopter on DS (nearly all the way to the 
right) and I find the image to be clear and crisp. On my MX viewfinder I 
have Pentax -2 M correction lens. I tried mounting the M correction lens 
on the DS and I find that it makes no difference for me if I adjust 
diopters using external correction lens or internal DS adjustment.

I routinely focus using only matte area, so lack of split image or 
microprisms is no big deal for me. I just find that when neither the 
light nor the object is contrasty I can not "lock" on the focus with the 
DS. I suppose a bigger or more "grainy" screen would be helpful... But 
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> Have you adjusted the viewfinder diopter?  That seems like an
> unusually high number.  Also, on your MX, can you focus with the matte
> area only or would your focusing misses be about the same.
>
> I can say that for me, I much prefer no focusing aids like split
> rangefinders or microprisms.  In my film cameras, I would always get a
> plain matte instead of the split image.
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Re: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Cotty]

On 13/11/06, Henk Terhell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one
>obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth disease
>


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Re: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Christian]

Henk Terhell wrote:
> Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one
> obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth disease
> 
> http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Animals/slides/IMGP610
> 1.html

Nice shot.  Judging by the proximity and daylight conditions, I'd guess 
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Re: PESO - The forest through the trees

[Paul Stenquist]

I like this. Nice range of grayscale. Well composed.
Paul
On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> B&W always allows textures to dominate and well placed elements are  
> not
> a distraction.
> Those would be my only comments.
>
> Jack
>
> --- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Not my usual kind of shot.  The lighting really caught my attention.
>>
>> Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm
>> ISO 800, 1/30 sec @ f/6.7, handheld
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>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3831bw.htm
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Re: Any screens for manual focusing on *ist DS?

[Pawel Bartuzi]

Well, I admit I don't practice focusing as much as I used to several 
years ago, however I find that I often take out of focus photos where I 
have plenty of time for focusing the lens and am pretty sure focus will 
be OK - and it isn't.

I checked Katz Eye website and their prices are not very affordable for 
me at the moment, so if there is no other, cheaper alternative I suppose 
practice is what I am left with. :-)

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> The D and DS have almost identical viewfinder systems, so what  
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>
> All of the screens from Pentax are the same with regard to the  
> focusing surface, all that changes are the markings (the optional  
> ones have grid or cross-hair markings in addition to the AF and  
> metering zone markings). The surface is "ok" for manual focusing but  
> isn't really as contrasty as I'd prefer.
>
> Katz Eye Optics makes alternative focusing screens for the Pentax  
> DSLRs. Their standard includes a split-image rangefinder prism setup,  
> which I've never liked very much (just more "stuff" in the way to my  
> eye), but more importantly the focusing matte surface of the screen  
> has higher contrast and 'snaps' in and out of focus a bit more  
> positively than the smoother Pentax focusing surface. I had a screen  
> without the split image, with a combination cross-hair and 8x10  
> framing guide scribing, made that is a good improvement for manual  
> focusing ease.
>
> By and large, however, a larger part of manual focus ease is the  
> speed and contrast of the lens you're using. A faster lens with good  
> contrast wide open helps most.
>
> But the biggest improvement is gained by practice, practice,  
> practice. I constantly practice focusing skills to ensure that I can  
> nail the right thing in the frame as quickly and surely as possible.  
> It's a skill that is often overlooked.
>
> Godfrey
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>   
>> I shoot with an *istD. I find the manual focus with the Pentax
>> replacement grid screen is excellent. Not quite as good as my LX or
>> MX, but very close better than most of my film cameras.
>> Paul
>> On Nov 12, 2006, at 4:01 PM, Pawel Bartuzi wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I prefer using manual focus and while I have no trouble focusing
>>> manually on my MX, I find it difficult on the *ist DS - up to the
>>> point
>>> that 30-50% of my manually focused, not stopped down shots land in a
>>> recycle bin just for being out of focus.
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a problem like that? How do you deal with it? Are
>>> there any third party focusing screens better suited for manual
>>> focusing?
>>>   
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Re: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Paul Stenquist]

Great shot. Ugly beast. Are they dangerous?
Paul
On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:

> Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one
> obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth disease
>
> http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Animals/slides/ 
> IMGP610
> 1.html
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Re: PESO - Just an autumn picture

[Paul Stenquist]

Very nice. An unusual perspective and an excellent composition.
Paul
On Nov 13, 2006, at 12:30 PM, DagT wrote:

> I´m almost starting to PAW again...
>
> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=271803
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Re: K10D & GX-10 (Samsung) samples

[Toine]

Moire is probably the reason everyone (except Leica maybe) is
installing anti-alias filters in front of the ccd. All I know is that
removing moire from a scan is very difficult.
I hope these samples are "beta". My reference for 10Mp is the sony
DSC-R1. The amount of purple fringing in these samples isn't what I
expected from the high tech image processing announcements.  Removing
CA is easy, I hate removing purple fringing with the clone brush.

Toine

On 11/13/06, Bertil Holmberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The interesting question is if moire can be completely avoided, at
> least without some cost.
> When the finite resolution of the camera is very close to some highly
> regular object in the image moire can obviously appear.
> We have all seen someone appear on the TV screen dressed in a striped
> suit, not the thing to do twice.
> Another common example is the flat bed scan of a rasterized print.
> Rotating the original may help, reducing the moire in software will
> invariably degrade the image, I believe.
> I'd love to hear your views on this.
>
> Bertil
>
> > I think it's a roof or something similar. If you look just above the
> > third and fourth supporting pole (lower left part of the image) moire
> > is visible in the roof and the side panels of the building. (just
> > above the ugly purple fringing in the bottom of the image).
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AW: PESO - Just an autumn picture

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Dag
I like the idea but would experiment with a more off-center crop for the
bike and lesser blue for warmer colors.
greetings
Markus

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On 13/11/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I´m almost starting to PAW again...
>
>http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=271803

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Re: PESO - Quintessential Fun!

[Jack Davis]

Wow! I love it. Dynamic positioning and pose of the 'swinger'.
Congratulations!

Jack

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AW: Best SD card for K10D

[Markus Maurer]

Hi William
do you see a quality difference in the prints or the used paper between
these "Kiosk printers" and compared to the "lab way" of ordering prints?

greetings
Markus


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Subject: Re: Best SD card for K10D


The point and shoot folks I know are more than happy with digital.
Here in the states you can upload your picture files to Costco and
pick up your 4x6 prints at the store half an hour later. Or you can
take your SD or CF card to the drug store and have your prints made
in a couple of hours. Many people use digital the same way they used
film. It's just faster and easier, and for the most part, the results
are better. The sky hasn't fallen.

I'm not convinced about faster and easier for the P&S people, judging
from how I saw it working when I was processing pictures.
People would be standing for a half hour in front of a kiosk choosing
files with a line of people waiting for their shot at the machine.
I've only found a few uploaders that work
really well, most of the ones I have seen force one file at a time to be
chosen.
People are also pretty careless about how they store digital files, I
suspect a lot of pictures only exist as a print, the file long lost to a
computer crash, sctratched CD or just deleted after the print was made.

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Re: K10D & GX-10 (Samsung) samples

[Bertil Holmberg]

The interesting question is if moire can be completely avoided, at  
least without some cost.
When the finite resolution of the camera is very close to some highly  
regular object in the image moire can obviously appear.
We have all seen someone appear on the TV screen dressed in a striped  
suit, not the thing to do twice.
Another common example is the flat bed scan of a rasterized print.  
Rotating the original may help, reducing the moire in software will  
invariably degrade the image, I believe.
I'd love to hear your views on this.

Bertil

> I think it's a roof or something similar. If you look just above the
> third and fourth supporting pole (lower left part of the image) moire
> is visible in the roof and the side panels of the building. (just
> above the ugly purple fringing in the bottom of the image).


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PESO - Quintessential Fun!

[Boris Liberman]

http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=15682

All comments welcome!

Thanks.

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AW: Best SD card for K10D

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Rob
What kind of printer technology is inside a "Kiosk" and are they all the
same quality wise?
I see them coming here in the rail stations too but have not tried to print
so far.
The cost is 2-3 times higher than if you order a normal color photo from the
lab here.
greetings
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On 13/11/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's your perception.  Now look at the person who shot a roll of film,
took it wherever and came out an hour later (having done something else in
the meantime) with a handful of 6x4s, a proportion of which they would throw
away.  Will they want to sit in front of a computer sorting stuff out to get
their prints?  Don't think so.
>
> It works for you but it doesn't work very well for me and it works very
badly for some people - I suggest that they are the majority of camera
users.

It seems to work here. The remaining photo print shops now also have a
row of kiosk style print machines where the pleb, I mean the customer,
simply inserts it's card and selects the images to print. They can
select size, quantity and some basic editing if they desire. They seem
to be happy as pigs in do do as the machines are virtually always
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Re: PESO - Just an autumn picture

[Jack Davis]

Unique and very interesting shot. The addition of the bike to the scene
makes all the difference. Very good eye!

Jack 

--- DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks, Bruce!
> 
> It is the view from our apartment where one of the neighbor kids had 
> 
> parked his bike by the tree.  I liked that pattern of leaves  
> everywhere (almost impressionist, like Cotty said) which repeats  
> itself both on the ground and in the tree covering the whole  
> picture.  I had tried it before, but once I saw the bike I had the  
> little extra.  A little reminder of summer left behind.
> 
> The tree is large and had lots of leaves left.
> 
> DagT
> 
> Den 13. nov. 2006 kl. 19.34 skrev Bruce Dayton:
> 
> > Wow!  What a striking image.  At first I was thinking that you had
> > combined images to get the effect, but after closer examination, it
> > appears to be a single image.  I'd love to hear more about it -
> your
> > vantage point, thought process, etc.  There are so many leaves on
> the
> > ground, yet the tree seems to still have most of it's leaves.
> >
> > -- 
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> >
> >
> > Monday, November 13, 2006, 9:30:10 AM, you wrote:
> >
> > D> I´m almost starting to PAW again...
> >
> > D> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=271803
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> > D> DagT
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PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Henk Terhell]

Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one
obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth disease

http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Animals/slides/IMGP610
1.html


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Re: PESO - Tasmanian Devil

[Antonios Kekalos]

Excellent oral hygiene! Wish my dog's teeth looked so good.

On 11/13/06, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shot of my recent trip to Australian Victoria and Tasmania:  one
> obviously healthy devil, not suffering of the mysterious mouth disease
>
> http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Animals/slides/IMGP610
> 1.html
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RE: K10D & GX-10 (Samsung) samples

[Tim Øsleby]

Now I see it. Lets hope its some odd light reflections. 


Tim
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I think it's a roof or something similar. If you look just above the
third and fourth supporting pole (lower left part of the image) moire
is visible in the roof and the side panels of the building. (just
above the ugly purple fringing in the bottom of the image).

Toine

On 11/13/06, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Me too is puzzled by the fringe/CA.
> Especially I'm amazed by the brick wall images. That's not a high contrast
> motif. I can't see why there should be CA there. Is it because of a lemon
> 16-45 sample, or are they in some kind of serious trouble? I know this is
> just samples from a preproduction camera, but I can't help wondering...
>
> Please somebody, set me strait, tell me it is foolish to worry ;-)
>
> Toine: I can't say I see the moire in the shot you pointed to. Where is
it?
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
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>
> This one is interesting. It shows moire patterns in the lower left corner:
>
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/parts/image_for_link/71902-5035-15-1.html
>
> All samples show CA and purple fringing. Amazing.
>
> Toine
>
> On 11/13/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Some samples by ISO
> >
> > K10D:
> >
> > http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/11/13/5035.html
> >
> > Samsung GX-10:
> >
> > http://phil.livelog.net/gx10/8.html
> >
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Re: PESO - The forest through the trees

[Jack Davis]

B&W always allows textures to dominate and well placed elements are not
a distraction.   
Those would be my only comments.

Jack 

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> Not my usual kind of shot.  The lighting really caught my attention.
> 
> Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm
> ISO 800, 1/30 sec @ f/6.7, handheld
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3831bw.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
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Re: Some PUG comments 3 of 3

[Lucas Rijnders]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:15:43 +0100, Sandra Hermann  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154
>
> Thank you for your comments.  Missing the unsharp objects is one of my
> fallbacks in photography.  I just don't see junk.  I am trying to train
> myself.  I see the good and get so excited about it I miss the bad.

Now that is recognisable. Training does help. Though just when you think  
you've got the background covered, you get these pictures with stray  
newspapers on the foreground. It's amazing what you can miss through a  
viewfinder :(

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> I was
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> Thank you again.
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>
>
>
>> From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:05:59 +0100
>>
>> "When I was a kid.." by Sandy Hermann
>>
>> The story around it makes the picture grow, but I think some of the
>> elements distract. The unsharp object in the lower left corner, and
>> the unsharp twig in the right hand corner. The long twig "meandering"
>> from the top is a nice element, I think, and it would have been even
>> better if it didn't cross the valve.
>>
>> With the almost square format, the crop is actively chosen for the
>> presentation, and to me it seems like a good choice because it brings
>> the object so close and sort of intimate. Not easy to be intimate with
>> an old cart wheel...
>>
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RE: PESO - Hills

[Tim Øsleby]

I echo Paul here, except the Santa Monica mountains part off course ;-)


Tim
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Very nice. I once captured a similar shot of the Santa Monica  
mountains at sunset. It's interesting how the receding hills can be  
layered. Well done.
Paul
On Nov 12, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> A view from a window (not mine) one late afternoon. Comments welcome.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5199407
>
> [Pentax MX with 200mm f/4 (handheld)
> Had to apply some scratch removal filter in Photoshop Elements to get
> rid of some marks from the photoCD scan.]
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