Re: K20D AF calibration data

2008-03-10 Thread Dario Bonazza
Ken Waller wrote:

 Curious if you were able to tell visually if you had a focus issue before
 the correction?

I've been well aware of the front focus problems with my FA* 85/1.4 (showing 
up since the MZ-S times, through *istD  K10D) and now I've finally been 
able to fix it.
The same happens with the 31 Ltd and a Sigma 70-200/2.8 (front focusing only 
at its lower end). Those problems were already obvious with the K10D and 
remain the same with the K20D, before I did AF data correction.

For some reason, with my previous cameras I didn't spot the problem with the 
two 50mm lenses.

 If so can you now see an improvement.

Definitely yes.

Two more comments of AF calibration.

1 - Several years ago, I also tested two more samples of the FA* 85/1.4 and 
got the same front-focusing problem with the MZ-S, with minimal sample 
variation. On the other hand, three different samples of the F 70-210 lens 
had no problem with my MZ-S, showed heavy front focusing with my *istD and 
were back spot on with my K10D. Not yet checked with the K20D.
OK, not enough data for serious statistics, but apparently some lenses keep 
the same problem irrespectively of the camera model you use them with. With 
other lenses, issues come and go depending on the body. So you cannot tell 
for sure whether it's a camera or lens problem. I'd think of it as a 
mismatch problem. It's a complicated world...

2 - Warning: under certain conditions, the AF test can give you erratic 
results. I'm rather convinced it mainly depends on the contrast of the 
situation (test chart+lighting+lens in use). With a given lens and a given 
lighting, it appears that when the camera thinks the contrast is OK, then 
it stops focusing without trying to get it even better. That's probably for 
preventing the risk to go back and forth before focusing properly.
Unfortunately, this way you'll have front focusing if you are coming from a 
closer focus setting and you'll get back focusing when you come from a 
farther focus setting. Under certain lighting conditions, you can have such 
problem with a given lens and no problem with another type, probably 
depending on how contrasty the lens is. So I'd recommend to always perform 
two focusing tests for each lens correction, one coming from a closer focus 
and another one from a farther one. If you get the same focus, you are doing 
well and you can apply the needed correction. If you get different results 
with the two focusing directions, you are in that odd condition and you have 
to change the lighting of the test chart for getting useful results.

Dario 


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Re: PESO: Babes in Snowland

2008-03-10 Thread mike wilson
You folks will have to come for a wander around Sunderland and Newcastle one 
February evening.  That's boob-tube weather on that picture..
 
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/03/09 Sun PM 01:36:26 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO: Babes in Snowland
 
 Yes, I would like to have heard the story behind those shoes, but the  
 ladies took off down the street. They were apparently in a hurry.  
 Perhaps they were part of a wedding party.
 Paul
 On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:02 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
 
  Great grab, paul.
 
  There's one thing that doesn't fit in that pic.
  Something about footware...
 
  Jostein
 
  2008/3/8, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Came out of the coffee shop today, and before I could change the ISO
  on the camera, I spotted these ladies crossing the street.
  Fortunately, one of them spotted me as well, and that made the shot.
  This is cropped to about 50% of frame. K20D, DA 50-200, 200mm, ISO
  1600, f5.6, 1/4000th.
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7032410



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Re: K20D AF calibration data

2008-03-10 Thread Dario Bonazza
I wrote:

 So I'd recommend to always perform
 two focusing tests for each lens correction, one coming from a closer 
 focus
 and another one from a farther one. If you get the same focus, you are 
 doing
 well and you can apply the needed correction.

The image comparison function of the K20D allows you to do that very easy 
and effectively; just:
1 - Shoot the two test pictures
2 - Press Playback button
3 - Press Fn button
4 - Press OK button for performing image comparison
5 - Press OK button for selecting both images
6 - Enlarge both images with the rear wheel and navigate them via the 
four-way selector.

Dario 


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Re: OT PESO - 2-wheeled enablement

2008-03-10 Thread David Savage
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Trek 5200 - Almost everything on this bike is carbon: frame, fork, seat
  post, stem, bars, even the water bottle cage!

...and the fossil on the seat.

Cheers,

Dave :-D

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Re: PESO -- Opening

2008-03-10 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/03/09 Sun PM 07:51:12 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO -- Opening
 
 I haven't been particularly inspired lately, but last night I went to an 
 opening.  The work was interesting.  I took along the *ist-Ds with the 
 85mm f2, 43 f1.9 and A 24 f2.8.  Didn't actually take a lot of pictures, 
 mainly spouted banalities about the artists work and consumed 
 inexpensive wine and very good cheese.  However I found this amusing.  
 We can debate the focus point I picked, (hell I've been debating it with 
 myself since I looked at it in Photoshop), but I found it amusing so I 
 thought I'd share.
 
 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%20opening.html
 
 Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0

Not sure what the focus point is.  The pin in the wall?


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Re: OT PESO - 2-wheeled enablement

2008-03-10 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Kona Sutra

Particularly satisfying coffee?


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Re: K20D AF calibration data

2008-03-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've found that it's almost impossible to see minor differences in  
focus o the camera's viewing screen. I shoot the images as RAW and  
transfer them to my computer where I can compare them at high  
resolution on a large screen. Of course my old eyes aren't very good,  
but I would think it would be difficult for anyone to see small  
differences on the camera.
Paul
On Mar 10, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

 I wrote:

 So I'd recommend to always perform
 two focusing tests for each lens correction, one coming from a closer
 focus
 and another one from a farther one. If you get the same focus, you  
 are
 doing
 well and you can apply the needed correction.

 The image comparison function of the K20D allows you to do that  
 very easy
 and effectively; just:
 1 - Shoot the two test pictures
 2 - Press Playback button
 3 - Press Fn button
 4 - Press OK button for performing image comparison
 5 - Press OK button for selecting both images
 6 - Enlarge both images with the rear wheel and navigate them via the
 four-way selector.

 Dario


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Re: PESOs gripes: K20D Tamron 70-210

2008-03-10 Thread Tim Bray
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:11 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  As far as it not being able to set the aperture, (I'm presuming the adapter 
 is an A style, and
  is actually in the A position)  I've had problems in the past with Tamron 
 Adaptalls working fine
  on one Pentax camera, and then not working on a different one. Try cleaning 
 the contacts on both
  the lens and camera body and see if that makes a difference.
  You can also try remounting the Adaptall to the lens, and I found with one 
 particular mount that
  wiggling the lens a bit after it was mounted would make the thing work.

Ah, thank you Professor Robb.  Cleaned, remounted, wiggled, the lens 
camera are now chatting happily.  -T

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PESO - A Man Called Intrepid

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
Spotted on Saturday, in the midst of one of the heavier snowfalls of
this winter:

http://tinyurl.com/ysa772

http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R9UtsxWq0QI/BrU/c1t3-0_0saM/s1600-h/mar_10_08+003.jpg

Comments always welcome.

thanks!
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Re: PESO -- Opening

2008-03-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Leading edge of the first wood grain mounting board.  I was aiming for a 
central focus point.  I think it would have been better if the first 
photo had been in focus but I only took one shot, and it's unlikely I 
can go back for another.

mike wilson wrote:
 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/03/09 Sun PM 07:51:12 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO -- Opening

 I haven't been particularly inspired lately, but last night I went to an 
 opening.  The work was interesting.  I took along the *ist-Ds with the 
 85mm f2, 43 f1.9 and A 24 f2.8.  Didn't actually take a lot of pictures, 
 mainly spouted banalities about the artists work and consumed 
 inexpensive wine and very good cheese.  However I found this amusing.  
 We can debate the focus point I picked, (hell I've been debating it with 
 myself since I looked at it in Photoshop), but I found it amusing so I 
 thought I'd share.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%20opening.html

 Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0
 

 Not sure what the focus point is.  The pin in the wall?


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Re: K20D AF calibration data

2008-03-10 Thread Dario Bonazza
Paul,

I started calibrating the K20D via Remote Assistant on PC. Then I've 
realized how quicker and still effective the use of the on-camera comparison 
can be. You don't have to be able to spot the tiniest detail for doing 
calibration. You just have to be able to recognize similar blur, and that's 
well doable on the camera screen.
By using Tim Jackson's chart, when you see that those 2mm marks above and 
below the focus mark look the same, then both 6mm marks look the same (more 
blurred than 2mm) and then 10mm marks are even more blurred than 6mm, but 
yet similar each other, you've got proper calibration. Otherwise, if say 
2mm above is as blurred as 10mm below, while 2mm below and 6mm below 
look sharper, you've got front focus to fix. In other words, you have to 
check the overall behaviour in a narrow image area and not the single minor 
detail.

Dario

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: K20D  AF calibration data


 I've found that it's almost impossible to see minor differences in
 focus o the camera's viewing screen. I shoot the images as RAW and
 transfer them to my computer where I can compare them at high
 resolution on a large screen. Of course my old eyes aren't very good,
 but I would think it would be difficult for anyone to see small
 differences on the camera.
 Paul
 On Mar 10, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

 I wrote:

 So I'd recommend to always perform
 two focusing tests for each lens correction, one coming from a closer
 focus
 and another one from a farther one. If you get the same focus, you
 are
 doing
 well and you can apply the needed correction.

 The image comparison function of the K20D allows you to do that
 very easy
 and effectively; just:
 1 - Shoot the two test pictures
 2 - Press Playback button
 3 - Press Fn button
 4 - Press OK button for performing image comparison
 5 - Press OK button for selecting both images
 6 - Enlarge both images with the rear wheel and navigate them via the
 four-way selector.

 Dario


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Re: PESO -- Opening

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 3:51 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I haven't been particularly inspired lately, but last night I went to an
  opening.  The work was interesting.  I took along the *ist-Ds with the
  85mm f2, 43 f1.9 and A 24 f2.8.  Didn't actually take a lot of pictures,
  mainly spouted banalities about the artists work and consumed
  inexpensive wine and very good cheese.  However I found this amusing.
  We can debate the focus point I picked, (hell I've been debating it with
  myself since I looked at it in Photoshop), but I found it amusing so I
  thought I'd share.

  http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%20opening.html

  Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0

  As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

Great shot!

cheers,
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Re: PESO -- Opening

2008-03-10 Thread Jack Davis
Whatever the focus point, it's well chosen. Off focus effect is
inspired.

Jack.

Jack
--- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  
  From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2008/03/09 Sun PM 07:51:12 GMT
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Subject: PESO -- Opening
  
  I haven't been particularly inspired lately, but last night I went
 to an 
  opening.  The work was interesting.  I took along the *ist-Ds with
 the 
  85mm f2, 43 f1.9 and A 24 f2.8.  Didn't actually take a lot of
 pictures, 
  mainly spouted banalities about the artists work and consumed 
  inexpensive wine and very good cheese.  However I found this
 amusing.  
  We can debate the focus point I picked, (hell I've been debating it
 with 
  myself since I looked at it in Photoshop), but I found it amusing
 so I 
  thought I'd share.
  
 

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%20opening.html
  
  Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0
 
 Not sure what the focus point is.  The pin in the wall?
 
 
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Re: PESO: My Horn

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think my horn has the most character of any of those instruments
  shown so far.
  Many a cadenza passed through these tubes during my school/college
  years.
  Some years back it had been displayed on the wall of our family room
  'til my wife got tired of dusting it. Was reminded by the recent
  instrument posts.
  I prefer the second. (291)

What character!!

Terrific shots, but like you, I prefer the second.

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Re: K20D AF calibration data

2008-03-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
True. I used Tim's chart for my last calibration, and it was easier  
than what I had been doing previously, which was comparing a single  
character. I'll have to try it in camera again. But I'll wear my  
reading glasses:-).
Paul
On Mar 10, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

 Paul,

 I started calibrating the K20D via Remote Assistant on PC. Then I've
 realized how quicker and still effective the use of the on-camera  
 comparison
 can be. You don't have to be able to spot the tiniest detail for doing
 calibration. You just have to be able to recognize similar blur,  
 and that's
 well doable on the camera screen.
 By using Tim Jackson's chart, when you see that those 2mm marks  
 above and
 below the focus mark look the same, then both 6mm marks look the  
 same (more
 blurred than 2mm) and then 10mm marks are even more blurred than  
 6mm, but
 yet similar each other, you've got proper calibration. Otherwise,  
 if say
 2mm above is as blurred as 10mm below, while 2mm below and  
 6mm below
 look sharper, you've got front focus to fix. In other words, you  
 have to
 check the overall behaviour in a narrow image area and not the  
 single minor
 detail.

 Dario

 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:49 PM
 Subject: Re: K20D  AF calibration data


 I've found that it's almost impossible to see minor differences in
 focus o the camera's viewing screen. I shoot the images as RAW and
 transfer them to my computer where I can compare them at high
 resolution on a large screen. Of course my old eyes aren't very good,
 but I would think it would be difficult for anyone to see small
 differences on the camera.
 Paul
 On Mar 10, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

 I wrote:

 So I'd recommend to always perform
 two focusing tests for each lens correction, one coming from a  
 closer
 focus
 and another one from a farther one. If you get the same focus, you
 are
 doing
 well and you can apply the needed correction.

 The image comparison function of the K20D allows you to do that
 very easy
 and effectively; just:
 1 - Shoot the two test pictures
 2 - Press Playback button
 3 - Press Fn button
 4 - Press OK button for performing image comparison
 5 - Press OK button for selecting both images
 6 - Enlarge both images with the rear wheel and navigate them via  
 the
 four-way selector.

 Dario


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Re: PESOs gripes: K20D Tamron 70-210

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To be precise, a Tamron SP, 70-210mm 3.5, and it worked perfectly with
  the *ist-D.   It's not perhaps the creme de la creme of telephoto
  zooms, but it's taken some good pictures for me:

  http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/05/07/Sports-Photog
  http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/01/04/Mountains
  http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/03/13/Shellflower
  http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/07/30/The-Moon

All wonderful photos, but I especially like the soccer shot.  The
smiles on the girls' faces are is amazing!

;-)

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Re: PESO: Babes in Snowland

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Came out of the coffee shop today, and before I could change the ISO
  on the camera, I spotted these ladies crossing the street.
  Fortunately, one of them spotted me as well, and that made the shot.
  This is cropped to about 50% of frame. K20D, DA 50-200, 200mm, ISO
  1600, f5.6, 1/4000th.

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7032410

Almost looks like a papparazzi shot - some young starlets, out on a
shopping spree, spotted by a photog.

Terrific shot!

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Re: PESO - the disciple

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rabbit ears?  A disciple of Knarf?  Gosh, I didn't
  even know he had a following!

Well, I do now!

;-)

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Re: PESO - the disciple

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Couple of kid pics.  Expired Tri-X in Dektol.  I shot these well over a
  year ago, probably with the MX and either the M 50/1.7 or 35/2.8.  I think.

  
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#5175852803846950770

  
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#5175855647115300738

  Thanks for looking!

I like the first one.  I don't know why, I just do.

I really like the grain.

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PESO - 4-year-old ist D shot.

2008-03-10 Thread Christian
I was just going through old images looking for a particular duck shot 
when I came across this one...

http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-113

http://tinyurl.com/2n33j5

Shot in Washington, DC in 2004 with the *ist D and Sigma 300mm F4 
(1/200, F4, ISO 800, hand-held.

I know why I never posted it (I think it's too tight; this is the full 
frame) but I thought I'd throw it out here and get other people's comments.

What do you think?

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Re: PESO - the disciple

2008-03-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I like the second one. Looks like a great neigborhood too. In regard
 to the first one, I have two words: get low. Shoot kids at kid
 levels. Paul

 Thanks, Paul.  I liked the second one better, too.  I try to get  
 down to
 their level when I can, and I'm _only_ 32, but sometimes I just don't
 bend that way.  g

Start yoga classes now... !
I'm 54 and don't bend as well as I want either, I'm working on it, but  
to be 32 and not able to bend is not good.

Neither of these pictures do much for me, sorry.

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Re: PESO: K20D woodpecker samples

2008-03-10 Thread P. J. Alling
I like the first two. 

Bob Sullivan wrote:
 I finally paid attention to suggestions here and applied them to some
 birds at the feeder.
 I haven't been too satisfied with my results, the birds being out of focus.
 I shot some with the K20D and A400/5.6 -
 ISO cranked up to 800 and aperture down from f5.6 to f7.1 - f9.0.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038311size=lg
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038321
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038324
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038331

 I'm pretty happy with these.
 They are severe crops from the originals.
 Look at the Larger image tab to see full size crops.

 Comments or critiques?

 Regards,  Bob S.

   


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Re: OT PESO - 2-wheeled enablement

2008-03-10 Thread Christian
Apparently Adam wrote the following (I wouldn't know because I have yet 
to receive his post; the links are mine):

  
 http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/af70brGLOS2f4K3nV1HBLLFUswsm
 Ka6JF9llv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg
  http://tinyurl.com/2uummd

 Nice ride, I'm not much into carbon or skinny tires (My current
 dream-ride is a Kona Sutra) that's an excellent example of the
 breed.
 Nice, light  fast.

The new Trek is night and day compared to my previous 1983 steel 
Takara.  One reason I think I like it so much is that the frame geometry 
is very similar.  I was surprised (I'm not much of a bike-technology 
guy) at how different carbon and steel feel on the road.

My current dream bike is the steel Kona Kapu
http://www.konaworld.com/08_kapu_w.htm


 While I love the snow, I'm torn by the current lot of it, because I
 can't wait to get back on the road. I've been off the bike for too
 long.

One reason living in the Mid-Atlantic has its rewards...  Don't like the 
weather, wait a minute.  I've been able to rack up a ton of miles on the 
Trek over the past few weekends.


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Re: OT PESO - 2-wheeled enablement

2008-03-10 Thread David Savage
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 David Savage wrote:
   On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Trek 5200 - Almost everything on this bike is carbon: frame, fork, seat
post, stem, bars, even the water bottle cage!
  
   ...and the fossil on the seat.

  OUCH!  I just turned 40 (Feb 28) and my cycling buddies call me spry :-)

LOL

You know you're getting old when people refer to you as spry. :-)

Happy B'day. I turned 30 a few months ago. I still feel like a 14 y.o.

(Grow up! I don't mean like that)

Cheers,

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Re: OT PESO - 2-wheeled enablement

2008-03-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 9, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Christian wrote:

 http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/af70brGLOS2f4K3nV1HBLLFUswsmKa6JF9llv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg

 http://tinyurl.com/2uummd

Lovely looking machine!

I've got to get out on my bicycle more this year. Last year was  
bad ... i didn't ride anywhere near as much as I ought to. I've  
already stepped up my walking program ... I'm up to 3-5 miles a day at  
a brisk pace now ... so the next stage is the bicycle.

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Re: PESO - the disciple

2008-03-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Does anyone else find this disturbing...

frank theriault wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Rabbit ears?  A disciple of Knarf?  Gosh, I didn't
  even know he had a following!
 

 Well, I do now!

 ;-)

 cheers,
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Re: OT PESO - 2-wheeled enablement

2008-03-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Mar 10, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Christian wrote:

 David Savage wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Christian  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Trek 5200 - Almost everything on this bike is carbon: frame, fork,  
 seat
 post, stem, bars, even the water bottle cage!

 ...and the fossil on the seat.

 OUCH!  I just turned 40 (Feb 28) and my cycling buddies call me  
 spry :-)

Damn youngsters.

G

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Re: OT PESO - 2-wheeled enablement

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just bought this one from a friend.  Ridden once by someone who
  decided road biking wasn't for him; it just happens to fit me perfectly
  and cost a fraction of what it did new (much less a new Trek Madone)..

  Trek 5200 - Almost everything on this bike is carbon: frame, fork, seat
  post, stem, bars, even the water bottle cage!

  
 http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/af70brGLOS2f4K3nV1HBLLFUswsmKa6JF9llv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg

  http://tinyurl.com/2uummd

  PS: shot with SMC Takumar 55/1.8 at f2 on the Darkside 20D.

Hey,

Just like Lance!

Lovely bike - looks very light!

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Re: PESO - 4-year-old ist D shot.

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was just going through old images looking for a particular duck shot
  when I came across this one...

  http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-113

  http://tinyurl.com/2n33j5

  Shot in Washington, DC in 2004 with the *ist D and Sigma 300mm F4
  (1/200, F4, ISO 800, hand-held.

  I know why I never posted it (I think it's too tight; this is the full
  frame) but I thought I'd throw it out here and get other people's comments.

  What do you think?

  Thanks!

I like it tight like that.  Terrific detail.

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Re: PESO: K20D woodpecker samples

2008-03-10 Thread David Savage
going OT

I am such a child.

I read the subject line and began giggling like a juvenile idiot (when
in actual fact I'm a fully matured idiot).

Images flashed through my mind of pirates, peg legs and wood

...well...you get the idea.

/going OT

I like the colours of the first 2. Neat little bird.

3  4 look to be suffering from either motion blur or camera shake
.
Cheers,

Dave

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I finally paid attention to suggestions here and applied them to some
  birds at the feeder.
  I haven't been too satisfied with my results, the birds being out of focus.
  I shot some with the K20D and A400/5.6 -
  ISO cranked up to 800 and aperture down from f5.6 to f7.1 - f9.0.

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038311size=lg
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038321
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038324
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038331

  I'm pretty happy with these.
  They are severe crops from the originals.
  Look at the Larger image tab to see full size crops.

  Comments or critiques?

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Re: OT PESO - 2-wheeled enablement

2008-03-10 Thread Christian
David Savage wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Trek 5200 - Almost everything on this bike is carbon: frame, fork, seat
  post, stem, bars, even the water bottle cage!
 
 ...and the fossil on the seat.

OUCH!  I just turned 40 (Feb 28) and my cycling buddies call me spry :-)

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Re: Peso Not a cat photo

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:49 PM, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Or, perhaps, hyper ?  (Used, colloquially, to mean hyper-active)

I think my head hurts.

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Re: Peso Not a cat photo

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:46 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My driver has this little guy for a truck buddy.

  We had to stop for a moment, and i grabed this shot.

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7030837

  She was pretty hipper, probably being in the truck all morning, and
  was a bit hard to shoot, but i managed that one.

  D200, 18-70, LR adjust darks.

Fun shot, Dave.

That guy looks like he's got real personality.  At least that's the
way you captured him.

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Re: Peso Not a cat photo

2008-03-10 Thread David Savage
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:55 PM, frank theriault
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:49 PM, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Or, perhaps, hyper ?  (Used, colloquially, to mean hyper-active)

  I think my head hurts.

You need more alcohol!

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Bad Makeup

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm wondering if you think there should be any crop on this one,
  along with your general thoughts.

  Pentax K10D, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 300mm, Handheld
  ISO 400, 1/250 sec @ f/5.6

  http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5755a.htm

I like it just as it is.  Terrific photo - love the detail.

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Re: Elvis wants a K20D!

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While I was testing lenses in my basement, Elvis told me he wants a
  K20D. I guess I'll have to buy him one since he's been paying the
  bills for more than thirty years now.

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7032306size=lg

  DA50-400 at 50mm. f4@ 1/30th, ISO 1600, slight crop

Love the gold suit.  Did he borrow that from you, Paul?

;-)

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Re: Peso Stouffville snow panorama

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 5:51 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7037177

  Shot this around 9am this morning after the storm went through. It was
  a pretty good one to. Like the old days.:-)

  Five shots using doubletake trial version.


I'm surprised Mel didn't call in the army.  Wait, Mel isn't mayor
anymore.  That explains it.

Anyway, I like the photo, Dave.  Snow always looks nice on a Sunday
morning in the sun, when you don't have to drive (or ride the bus) to
work in it!

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Re: PESO: Valentine's Day, Singles style

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:23 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,

  This is technically a terrible photo. It took a few goes to get the
  lighting  composition right, and at some stage the focus got screwed
  up. Which resulted in some heavy PS'ing.

  However, I thought I'd share to help educate all you non singles as to
  what it is us lonely losers get up to (~160kb):

  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2203/2264394579_309bab1386_o.jpg

  K10D, DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 10mm, 1/60 @ f5.6, ISO 100, wireless flash.


I used to be one of those losers.

Now I'm a loser with a girlfriend.  Life really hasn't changed that much...

;-)

(seriously, it was wonderful to have a Valentine's Day with a special
someone this year).

Fun shot, Dave!!

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Re: PESO: Sutter Spring

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This was shot at least 20 yrs ago, but could have been done this AM.
  Greenery and almond blossoms are doing their thing right now.
  The foreground trees, under which I was shooting, have since been
  replaced by a housing development. Also, there is now a huge water tank
  on the hill where you see the cattle grazing.
  Today's forecasted high; 73F. 8)

  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=289

  Taken with an inherited Fujica ST 701 sporting a Vivitar 50 MM 1:1.7
  screw mount lens. A lens that @ f/1.7 can produce a beautiful fuzzy
  donut.

You bastard!

http://tinyurl.com/2ad4qx

But seriously, that's a gorgeous shot.  If you're experiencing weather
like that now, good on ya.

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Re: PESO: Baby Love

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There's nothing better than an open-mouthed kiss from a drooling baby...


  
 http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C-i05p28o#5175511395924019618


  Shot with an *ist D, M 1:1.4 50mm

Fun!

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Re: PESO: My Horn

2008-03-10 Thread Jack Davis
Appreciated comments, Frank.

Jack

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 wrote:
  I think my horn has the most character of any of those
 instruments
   shown so far.
   Many a cadenza passed through these tubes during my school/college
   years.
   Some years back it had been displayed on the wall of our family
 room
   'til my wife got tired of dusting it. Was reminded by the recent
   instrument posts.
   I prefer the second. (291)
 
 What character!!
 
 Terrific shots, but like you, I prefer the second.
 
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Re: PESO - 4-year-old ist D shot.

2008-03-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/3/08, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

I was just going through old images looking for a particular duck shot 
when I came across this one...

http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-113

http://tinyurl.com/2n33j5

Shot in Washington, DC in 2004 with the *ist D and Sigma 300mm F4 
(1/200, F4, ISO 800, hand-held.

I know why I never posted it (I think it's too tight; this is the full 
frame) but I thought I'd throw it out here and get other people's comments.

What do you think?

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Re: PESO: Fashion Advice

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi everyone,

  Have been flat-chat for the last few weeks, so haven't had the chance to
  comment on some nice pics I've seen coming by (I like to say something
  more interesting than just I like it, when I really like a shot). And
  I owe Boris something too.

  For now, here's a quick street grab. I note a thread about the DA50-200.
  My qualified comment - I like it too, for a zoom.

  http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_fashionadvice/01.htm

  Too many likes in this post, for my liking.


Pretty girl, well captured.

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Re: PESO - 4-year-old ist D shot.

2008-03-10 Thread Jack Davis
Agree, Christian. It's a nice image, and if the tip of the bill had not
been cut off, would have been even better.

Jack
--- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was just going through old images looking for a particular duck
 shot 
 when I came across this one...
 
 http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-113
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2n33j5
 
 Shot in Washington, DC in 2004 with the *ist D and Sigma 300mm F4 
 (1/200, F4, ISO 800, hand-held.
 
 I know why I never posted it (I think it's too tight; this is the
 full 
 frame) but I thought I'd throw it out here and get other people's
 comments.
 
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Re: PESO: K20D woodpecker samples

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:25 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I like the first two.

Me too.

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Re: PESO: Sutter Spring

2008-03-10 Thread Jack Davis
LoL..out loud!! 
Sorry, Frank, and thanks a bunch for the image reminding me of what it
was like in Iowa where I grew up. :://

Jack

--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  This was shot at least 20 yrs ago, but could have been done this
 AM.
   Greenery and almond blossoms are doing their thing right now.
   The foreground trees, under which I was shooting, have since been
   replaced by a housing development. Also, there is now a huge water
 tank
   on the hill where you see the cattle grazing.
   Today's forecasted high; 73F. 8)
 
   http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=289
 
   Taken with an inherited Fujica ST 701 sporting a Vivitar 50 MM
 1:1.7
   screw mount lens. A lens that @ f/1.7 can produce a beautiful
 fuzzy
   donut.
 
 You bastard!
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2ad4qx
 
 But seriously, that's a gorgeous shot.  If you're experiencing
 weather
 like that now, good on ya.
 
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Re: Peso Track side

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:17 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Escorted two loads to Buckingham Quebec this week. I noticed this on
  the second trip, in a small town on Hwy 148, called Masson.

  Old station, hard to get at with the snow piled up. I tried to get
  around but got stuck a few times.

  I cropped this one a bit closer, but i still wanted a feel of being
  alone, far away and abandoned.

  Hope i acheived it.

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7030785

  Might try a BW.

  D200, 18-70, LR exposure adjust.


Terrific photo just as it is.

There used to be lots of boarded up old train stations in small
villages all across the country, but they seem to be fast
disappearing.

This is a lovely shot, that won't be available for much longer, I
fear.  I'm glad for you that you caught it now...

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Re: Peso Track side

2008-03-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Around here they're fast being converted into offices and restaurants.  
(They're being replaced with glass and steel structures more reminiscent 
of bus stops).

frank theriault wrote:
 On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:17 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Escorted two loads to Buckingham Quebec this week. I noticed this on
  the second trip, in a small town on Hwy 148, called Masson.

  Old station, hard to get at with the snow piled up. I tried to get
  around but got stuck a few times.

  I cropped this one a bit closer, but i still wanted a feel of being
  alone, far away and abandoned.

  Hope i acheived it.

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7030785

  Might try a BW.

  D200, 18-70, LR exposure adjust.

 

 Terrific photo just as it is.

 There used to be lots of boarded up old train stations in small
 villages all across the country, but they seem to be fast
 disappearing.

 This is a lovely shot, that won't be available for much longer, I
 fear.  I'm glad for you that you caught it now...

 cheers,
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PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
I have to admit, I post this with some reluctance.  I like it
(although I don't know exactly why), but I'm not sure how it will be
received.  It's either freaking brilliant, or it's pure trash.  You
decide.  ;-)

That being said, I of course want everyone to be brutally honest!

http://tinyurl.com/yulfd7

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R9VgHhWq0RI/Brc/ATRXCujmc-Q/s1600-h/mar_10_08+002.jpg

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Re: PESO: Trumpet

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Moving along from the flute... this is a view of my
  son't old trumpet.

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7032000

  K10D, DA 16-45, f/22 @ 1/6, ISO 800, RAW via LR and
  PE4 (to get a colored splodge out of the background).
  Shot under a light box covered with a layer of tissue
  paper.

I'm really enjoying this series, and I think this is my favourite so far.

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Re: Peso Track side

2008-03-10 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote:
 Around here they're fast being converted into offices and restaurants.  
 (They're being replaced with glass and steel structures more reminiscent 
 of bus stops).
 
 On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:17 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7030785


There's an old train depot in Ferguson, MO.  It was boarded up when we 
moved there in '98, and there was talk of demolishing it.  Within a 
couple years it had been completely renovated.  It's now an ice cream 
parlor and railroad museum.  If you ever make it down that way I highly 
recommend the Cannonball in a chocolate waffle bowl.

http://whistlestopdepot.com/index.html

Nice photo, Dave.  Thanks for sharing it with us.

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Re: PESO - A Man Called Intrepid

2008-03-10 Thread P. J. Alling
I met one of my best friends at university when he was bicycling in a 
blizzard.  (He'd spiral wrapped a rope around his drive wheel to get 
traction).  This shot brings back memories. 

frank theriault wrote:
 Spotted on Saturday, in the midst of one of the heavier snowfalls of
 this winter:

 http://tinyurl.com/ysa772

 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R9UtsxWq0QI/BrU/c1t3-0_0saM/s1600-h/mar_10_08+003.jpg

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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread P. J. Alling
I want to like it, I'd probably like it if I thought there was a 
statement about the perceived importance of the hand truck operator vs 
the customer of the store in the choice of focal point, but with the 
customer cut off at the shoulders that idea is undercut.  I think it 
just misses.

frank theriault wrote:
 I have to admit, I post this with some reluctance.  I like it
 (although I don't know exactly why), but I'm not sure how it will be
 received.  It's either freaking brilliant, or it's pure trash.  You
 decide.  ;-)

 That being said, I of course want everyone to be brutally honest!

 http://tinyurl.com/yulfd7

 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R9VgHhWq0RI/Brc/ATRXCujmc-Q/s1600-h/mar_10_08+002.jpg

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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:27 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I want to like it, I'd probably like it if I thought there was a
  statement about the perceived importance of the hand truck operator vs
  the customer of the store in the choice of focal point, but with the
  customer cut off at the shoulders that idea is undercut.  I think it
  just misses.

There's no statement here.  I was actually trying to shoot the guy
with the handtruck, but autofocus wouldn't grab him, finally it
settled on the guy on the left, and I got what I got.

When I looked it it, I liked it, but I'm not sure what the statment is.

I actually don't think it would have worked if Mr. Handtruck was in
focus, although I don't know why.

Thanks for looking.

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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread Jack Davis
Frank, did you ever figure out exactly why you like it? (pretty subtle,
huh?) :)

Jack
--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have to admit, I post this with some reluctance.  I like it
 (although I don't know exactly why), but I'm not sure how it will be
 received.  It's either freaking brilliant, or it's pure trash.  You
 decide.  ;-)
 
 That being said, I of course want everyone to be brutally honest!
 
 http://tinyurl.com/yulfd7
 

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R9VgHhWq0RI/Brc/ATRXCujmc-Q/s1600-h/mar_10_08+002.jpg
 
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Re: OT: Cranes, cranes and more cranes

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a real chuckle out of this series of pix.  If at first you don't
  succeed...

  http://www.xpotting.com/feb/feb13/05/tabla10.htm

  -p


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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/3/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

I have to admit, I post this with some reluctance.  I like it
(although I don't know exactly why), but I'm not sure how it will be
received.  It's either freaking brilliant, or it's pure trash.  You
decide.  ;-)

That being said, I of course want everyone to be brutally honest!

http://tinyurl.com/yulfd7

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R9VgHhWq0RI/Brc/ATRXCujmc-Q/
s1600-h/mar_10_08+002.jpg

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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Frank, did you ever figure out exactly why you like it? (pretty subtle,
  huh?) :)


No, I still don't know why I like it.

But I still do.

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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 Trying something different. Have a look at this:
 
 
 http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare4.html
 
 R-D1 + 28mm lens (same angle of view as 42mm lens on full frame 35mm)
 
 
 Then take this simple test:
 
 1. What is noticeable about the picture?

Everything is blurred except the benches (or whatever they are) at the 
base of the tree.

 2. How do you think it was achieved?

I think you were walking sideways, or in an arc, while keeping the 
camera pointed at those benches.

 Ta.

Da.

BTW, I like it.  That's a funky effect and it works.

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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Sorry Frankie ;-)

So you liked it?

Thanks!

cheers,
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;-)

PS:  seriously, thanks for your honesty.

PPS:  I still like it.

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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Trying something different. Have a look at this:


  http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare4.html

  R-D1 + 28mm lens (same angle of view as 42mm lens on full frame 35mm)


  Then take this simple test:

  1. What is noticeable about the picture?

The background blurred due to motion blur.


  2. How do you think it was achieved?

You tied to camera to the tree, lens pointing towards the tree, and
flung the camera around, tether-ball style.

:-)

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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread Scott Loveless
frank theriault wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Frank, did you ever figure out exactly why you like it? (pretty subtle,
  huh?) :)

 
 No, I still don't know why I like it.
 
 But I still do.
 
You don't need a reason to like something.  Sometimes you, or don't, 
because your gut says so.  I like it for no reason, too.  :)

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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/3/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

PPS:  I still like it.

That's the most important part :)



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Re: The Mailman Cometh

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:47 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I happened to be about today when the mailman delivered the required stack of 
 Government issue
  junk mail.
  This photo opportunity was not to be missed.

  http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/the_mailman.html

  This was shot with the K20, and Nokton 58mm/1.4.
  ISO 400, f2 for 1/25 second.

  Enjoy

Har!!

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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread Jack Davis
Good. Nothing else really matters.

Jack
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  Frank, did you ever figure out exactly why you like it? (pretty
 subtle,
   huh?) :)
 
 
 No, I still don't know why I like it.
 
 But I still do.
 
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Re: PESO: Where's Grace

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Where's Grace. The old blanket over the head kid's game. ISO 1600, FA
  50/1.4, [EMAIL PROTECTED]/13th second in a rather dark room, Cropped to abot 
 60%
  of the frame:

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7030004

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Re: Photoshopping the old way

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's easier with a computer, but...

  
 http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/12/07/tricks-of-the-composite-photograph/?Qwd=./ModernMechanix/2-1938/composite_photographQif=composite_photograph_0.jpgQiv=thumbsQis=XL#qdig

  http://tinyurl.com/yofjn5


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Re: PESO: K20D woodpecker samples

2008-03-10 Thread Steve Desjardins
Me too.  The first one, especially, has a very pleasing amount of
detail.

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 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/10/2008 11:25 AM 
I like the first two. 

Bob Sullivan wrote:
 I finally paid attention to suggestions here and applied them to
some
 birds at the feeder.
 I haven't been too satisfied with my results, the birds being out of
focus.
 I shot some with the K20D and A400/5.6 -
 ISO cranked up to 800 and aperture down from f5.6 to f7.1 - f9.0.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038311size=lg 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038321 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038324 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7038331 

 I'm pretty happy with these.
 They are severe crops from the originals.
 Look at the Larger image tab to see full size crops.

 Comments or critiques?

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Re: PESO: Trumpet

2008-03-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Moving along from the flute... this is a view of my
  son't old trumpet.

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7032000

  K10D, DA 16-45, f/22 @ 1/6, ISO 800, RAW via LR and
  PE4 (to get a colored splodge out of the background).
  Shot under a light box covered with a layer of tissue
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Very nice! :-)

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Re: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 10, 2008, at 9:26 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 That being said, I of course want everyone to be brutally honest!

Hey, you're copping Boris' line. ;-)


 http://tinyurl.com/yulfd7

I can see it in context of a group of photos for a photojournalistic  
spread. Stand-alone, there's not enough to pull me in.

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Re: PESO - 4-year-old ist D shot.

2008-03-10 Thread Steve Desjardins
This is nice if a bit tight.  The eye is prefect, and the bokeh is
pretty nice.  Nice geometry and texture.

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 Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/10/2008 10:26 AM 
I was just going through old images looking for a particular duck shot

when I came across this one...

http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-113 

http://tinyurl.com/2n33j5 

Shot in Washington, DC in 2004 with the *ist D and Sigma 300mm F4 
(1/200, F4, ISO 800, hand-held.

I know why I never posted it (I think it's too tight; this is the full

frame) but I thought I'd throw it out here and get other people's
comments.

What do you think?

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Re: PESO: Where's Grace

2008-03-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Frank. And, yes, I let Elvis borrow my gold leisure suit, but  
I told him I need it back in time for Grandfather Mountain.
Paul
On Mar 10, 2008, at 1:23 PM, frank theriault wrote:

 On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Paul Stenquist  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Where's Grace. The old blanket over the head kid's game. ISO 1600, FA
  50/1.4, [EMAIL PROTECTED]/13th second in a rather dark room, Cropped to 
 abot  
 60%
  of the frame:

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7030004

 Lovely shot!

 cheers,
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Re: Peso Track side

2008-03-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:17 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:
 Escorted two loads to Buckingham Quebec this week. I noticed this on
  the second trip, in a small town on Hwy 148, called Masson.

  Old station, hard to get at with the snow piled up. I tried to get
  around but got stuck a few times.

  I cropped this one a bit closer, but i still wanted a feel of being
  alone, far away and abandoned.

  Hope i acheived it.

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7030785

  Might try a BW.

  D200, 18-70, LR exposure adjust.

Nice. I be the monochrome rendering will be excellent.

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Re: PESO: Where's Grace

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Frank. And, yes, I let Elvis borrow my gold leisure suit, but
  I told him I need it back in time for Grandfather Mountain.


LMAO - can't wait!

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Re: A few more from GFM 2007

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A few days ago I found a box of unprocessed black and white.  Plus, I
  had a few rolls recently exposed.  So I've been doing a lot of donkey
  work the past two days trying to get it all souped and sleeved.  These 3
  are from GFM last year.  Mamiya C220 and Tri-X.

  These two are shots of Mark Roberts.
  
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/GrandfatherMountainNPW2007/photo#5175932411065782162
  
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/GrandfatherMountainNPW2007/photo#5175932415360749474

  And the list guy.
  
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/GrandfatherMountainNPW2007/photo#5175932415360749490


Great.

Now I'll have to poke my eyes out with a sharp stick.

Thanks for that!

cheers,
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;-)

PS:  seriously, nice shots!

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Re: OT PESO - 2-wheeled enablement

2008-03-10 Thread Adam Maas
On 3/10/08, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
   From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Kona Sutra

  Particularly satisfying coffee?


Steel touring bike, interesting mix of modern (disc brakes) and
old-fashioned (steel frame, barcons).

http://www.konaworld.com/08_sutra_c.htm

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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 10, 2008, at 11:46, Cotty wrote:

 Trying something different. Have a look at this:


 http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare4.html

 R-D1 + 28mm lens (same angle of view as 42mm lens on full frame 35mm)


 Then take this simple test:

 1. What is noticeable about the picture?


FG/BG motion blur

 2. How do you think it was achieved?


Running around/past the tree while attempting to keep the tree trunk  
centered in the frame?

  -Charles

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Re: PESO: Trumpet

2008-03-10 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Frank.  A couple more trumpet shots to come,
and then the weather should have improved enough that
I can get back to shooting outdoors!

Rick

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 On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Rick Womer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Moving along from the flute... this is a view of
 my
   son't old trumpet.
 
   http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7032000
 
   K10D, DA 16-45, f/22 @ 1/6, ISO 800, RAW via LR
 and
   PE4 (to get a colored splodge out of the
 background).
   Shot under a light box covered with a layer of
 tissue
   paper.
 
 I'm really enjoying this series, and I think this is
 my favourite so far.
 
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Re: Be careful what you work for

2008-03-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
She'll probably still get better results with the K10D and the 18-250  
than with most PS cameras. And if she decides she needs a better  
lens, it's an option...

Photozone.de reviewed it recently. It seems a decent performer,  
within the limits of the kind, on Klaus' test bench.
http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/Pentax%20Lens%20Tests/48-pentax/367- 
pentax-smc-da-18-250mm-f35-63
or
http://tinyurl.com/2jwnzp

But she is going to need a good flash unit too, to use that lens  
effectively indoors. The built-in flash unit only has so much power  
and will likely be occluded by the lens/lens hood at even modest  
focal length settings.

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On Mar 10, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:

 I have been nagging my friend and colleague for years to get a DSLR  
 for
 travel photos.  She'll take 500-700 pictures in a week with a PS.
 After borrowing my DS (and seeing better results), she's giving  
 in.  She
 wants to get a K10D  and a Pentax 18-250.  I'm not thrilled about the
 superzoom, but she's still not thrilled with changing  lenses and some
 online comparisons with the 18-200 and the 18-55, 50-200 combo are
 favorable.

 I think she's doing well but I am always nervous about making
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Re: PESO - A Man Called Intrepid

2008-03-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Mar 10, 2008, at 6:13 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 Spotted on Saturday, in the midst of one of the heavier snowfalls of
 this winter:

 http://tinyurl.com/ysa772

 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R9UtsxWq0QI/BrU/ 
 c1t3-0_0saM/s1600-h/mar_10_08+003.jpg

Intrepid, insane ... what does it matter? ;-)

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Re: Peso Stouffville snow panorama

2008-03-10 Thread wendy beard
We gave up on the shovel.
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93993455/original
You can see our neighbour out with his snowblower at the bottom of the drive :-)

This was Saturday afternoon
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93993603

and after the road and the drive was cleared on Sunday
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93993573

Apparently we got a total of 56cm over the weekend

Wendy

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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7037177

  Shot this around 9am this morning after the storm went through. It was
  a pretty good one to. Like the old days.:-)

  Five shots using doubletake trial version.

  K10D, DA 50 F2.8, WP in CSI

  Dave

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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread Cotty
Can't slip one past you guys.

Correct except for detail

 Then take this simple test:

 1. What is noticeable about the picture?

Motion blur except centre of frame.


 2. How do you think it was achieved?

Shooting from moving vehicle, panning to keep main subject in centre of
frame. Vehicle approx 35 mph, shutter speed about 1/30th or so. This was
the best of about a dozen shots.

I might try this again sometime as I like the effect as well as Scott.

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Re: Peso Stouffville snow panorama

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM, wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We gave up on the shovel.
  http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93993455/original
  You can see our neighbour out with his snowblower at the bottom of the drive 
 :-)

  This was Saturday afternoon
  http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93993603

  and after the road and the drive was cleared on Sunday
  http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93993573

  Apparently we got a total of 56cm over the weekend

I think you guys got about 3 times the snow we did.

Wow.

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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread P. J. Alling
I suppose that Scott is comforted to know you like him...

Cotty wrote:
 Can't slip one past you guys.

 Correct except for detail

   
 Then take this simple test:
 

   
 1. What is noticeable about the picture?
 

 Motion blur except centre of frame.


   
 2. How do you think it was achieved?
 

 Shooting from moving vehicle, panning to keep main subject in centre of
 frame. Vehicle approx 35 mph, shutter speed about 1/30th or so. This was
 the best of about a dozen shots.

 I might try this again sometime as I like the effect as well as Scott.

 Thanks for looking.


   


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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I suppose that Scott is comforted to know you like him...

I'd be scared s**tless...

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Re: PESO: Trumpet

2008-03-10 Thread Rick Womer
It's not the cold.  I don't mind cold if there is
something to shoot.  It's the flat light, grey skies,
and sullen snowless landscape.

Rick

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 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Rick Womer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks, Frank.  A couple more trumpet shots to
 come,
   and then the weather should have improved enough
 that
   I can get back to shooting outdoors!
 
 
 Peh!
 
 Get out there and shoot in the cold.  It's good for
 you!  (and
 besides, Pentaxes are pretty well weather-sealed)
 
 ;-)
 
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Re: PESO: Trumpet

2008-03-10 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's not the cold.  I don't mind cold if there is
  something to shoot.  It's the flat light, grey skies,
  and sullen snowless landscape.

I love cloudy days.  No harsh shadows. Clouds are like giant diffusers!

;-)

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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/3/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

I suppose that Scott is comforted to know you like him...

No he's a tight git - he won't even give his best buddy a reach-around.

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RE: GESO: See ya 'Liz

2008-03-10 Thread Bob W
  
   The Aussies on list might recognise the blue  yellow 
 vessel from the
   news. That's the Customs  Fisheries vessel that shadowed 
 the Japanese
   whaling fleet.
 
   P.P.S.
 
   Brian, that shot was out 0.38 degrees ;-)
 
 I've always wanted to do a Transatlantic crossing on one of the old
 liners (notice, I didn't say cruise and I didn't say cruiseship.
 I think my chances may have run out on that one.
 
 Wonderful photos!
 

I'd sailed halfway round the world on one before I was 2 years old. In
fact, I learned to walk on one. Here's a picture of my nursery:
http://www.ozhoo.net.au/~strathsisters/strathnaver/

http://www.ozhoo.net.au/~strathsisters/strathnaver/

They used to take £10 poms out, and service families (like mine) back.
The route was quite interesting: Sidney, Melbourne, Fremantle,
Colombo, Bombay, Aden, Suez, Marseilles, Gibraltar, Portsmouth? I
expect I've missed some out.

The one we sailed on, the Strathnaver, was the first passenger ship
through the Suez Canal after the Suez crisis. That must have seemed
quite ironic to my parents because they'd served in Egypt during the
first crisis a few years earlier.

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PESO: Exercising the K85/1.8

2008-03-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Trying some of my manual lenses with the K20D. I shot this with the  
K85/1.8. ISO 1600, f2.8, 1/125th. Love this lens. I use it with a  
metal hood from the Super Tak 200/4 on a step up ring. Makes a nice  
unit, and of course even that long hood won't vignette on the K20  
sensor.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7040595size=lg

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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote:
 On 10/3/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I suppose that Scott is comforted to know you like him...


 No he's a tight git - he won't even give his best buddy a reach-around.
 

... Won't touch THAT line!

Reach Around is not in my English-American dictionary.
And I'd rather not speculate!  g

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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/3/08, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed:

Reach Around is not in my English-American dictionary.
And I'd rather not speculate!  g

No worries Keith, it's not the sort of thing pilots do!

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RE: PESO - Handtruck

2008-03-10 Thread Bob W
 
 I have to admit, I post this with some reluctance.  I like it
 (although I don't know exactly why), but I'm not sure how it will be
 received.  It's either freaking brilliant, or it's pure trash.  You
 decide.  ;-)
 
 That being said, I of course want everyone to be brutally honest!
 
 http://tinyurl.com/yulfd7
 
 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R9VgHhWq0RI/Brc/AT
 RXCujmc-Q/s1600-h/mar_10_08+002.jpg
 
  cheers,
 frank
 

the trouble with it is that there are 2 large blocks of white /
off-white which distract from the subject matter. The guy's face, and
what he's doing, are great and I can see why you were so attracted to
the shot. But it's an unfortunate fact of life that in a black and
white photograph anything white or near white pulls your eye straight
to it and ruins the rest of the shot.

Bob


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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 On 10/3/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I suppose that Scott is comforted to know you like him...
 
 No he's a tight git - he won't even give his best buddy a reach-around.
 
I suppose I should be offended.  Though I'm truly saddened you'd find me 
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RE: PESO: Exercising the K85/1.8

2008-03-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
yep, great lens. I cherish mine along with all the other K series lenses
I have luckily managed to acquire so far. The K85/1.8 and the K200/2.5 are
two of my fav telephotos in K mount. The K105/2.8 K120/2.8 and K135/2.5
ain't too shabby either. The original SMC K Lens series definitely RULES!
jco

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Trying some of my manual lenses with the K20D. I shot this with the  
K85/1.8. ISO 1600, f2.8, 1/125th. Love this lens. I use it with a  
metal hood from the Super Tak 200/4 on a step up ring. Makes a nice  
unit, and of course even that long hood won't vignette on the K20  
sensor.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7040595size=lg

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RE: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread Bob W
 
 Trying something different. Have a look at this:
 
 
 http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare4.html
 
 R-D1 + 28mm lens (same angle of view as 42mm lens on full frame
35mm)
 
 
 Then take this simple test:
 
 1. What is noticeable about the picture?
 
 
 
 
 
 2. How do you think it was achieved?
 
 

It's not a real photograph. It's a trick village, which is in constant
orbit around the tree. This is the result of a medieval curse visited
upon the village by it's neighbour when the cursed village was
discovered cheating during the annual Dripping of the Lepers by
entering some lepers who also had plague, and therefore produced more
than the standard amount of pus. The curse also explains why, to this
day, the people of the village have an inordinate liking for fondue
and pork scratchings.

Bob


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Tamron SP AF 2.8 28-75mm XR DI

2008-03-10 Thread Susan

This lens is my latest standard zoom. It will replace my damaged Tokina ATX
PRO II 2.6-2.8 28-70mm.
It's very easy to use.
Quite decent results, I believe.
Take a look:
http://flickr.com/photos/bladt/2316950836/in/set-72157604062308918/

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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/3/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

I suppose I should be offended.  Though I'm truly saddened you'd find me 
so inconsiderate.

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Re: Tamron SP AF 2.8 28-75mm XR DI

2008-03-10 Thread pnstenquist
Nice composition. Hard to see detail on a web image (especially for old 
folks:-), but it looks good.
Paul
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 This lens is my latest standard zoom. It will replace my damaged Tokina ATX
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 It's very easy to use.
 Quite decent results, I believe.
 Take a look:
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Re: PESO - Technique

2008-03-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/3/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

It's not a real photograph. It's a trick village, which is in constant
orbit around the tree. This is the result of a medieval curse visited
upon the village by it's neighbour when the cursed village was
discovered cheating during the annual Dripping of the Lepers by
entering some lepers who also had plague, and therefore produced more
than the standard amount of pus. The curse also explains why, to this
day, the people of the village have an inordinate liking for fondue
and pork scratchings.


Astonishing - right in every detail except one: not fondue, but vol au
vents
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