RE: K10D (V1.30 firmware) and DA* 16-50/2.8 focus problems

[Antti-Pekka Virjonen]

> Antti, what you are describing is a lens with a defect--apparently
> a fairly common defect. Your images still appear approximately okay
> because at 16 mm the depth of field is so great.

I agree it being a defect. On the other hand, I could not get any
sharper images or better image quality by manually focusing the lens to
infinity.

It would be nice to know if the problem is in the lens or in the body.
You told your lens focuses correctly at 16mm with your K10D but not with
your K20D so I guess in your case the problem is with the K20D body.

Antti-Pekka



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Re: Got it :-)

[Paul Sorenson]

Mine told me I'd go blind...

Tim Øsleby wrote:
> There is nothing wrong with a bit of cuddling. My mommy told me that.
> 
> MaritimTim
> 
> 2008/3/28, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On 27/3/08, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
>>> right arm goes down cuddling it.
>> You bloody Norwegians! And I thought we Brits were pervs
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Cheers,
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>>
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Re: Terms of Service

[Doug Franklin]

P. J. Alling wrote:

> I thought that was a sparrow...

It was, but if we're going to mix metaphors, I'll supply the Mixmaster. :-)

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Re: New motorcycle thread!

[Doug Franklin]

William Robb wrote:

> Very scary ride, especially for someone who was used to the more sedate pace 
> of the Harley big 
> twin.
> I gave up on the rice rockets with a Cow 650 that continually tried to kill 
> me by speed 
> wobbling.

I'm afraid that's what we're going to find with the Baby Grand chassis 
that we're installing an Hayabusa engine and transmission in.  The 
original chassis had a 1300 cc race-tuned Kawasaki (KZ, I think) engine, 
about 120 HP, and about 90 ft-lbs, in a 1200 all-up tube frame.  That 
works out to 10:1 HP:weight.  The updated chassis will be the same, but 
with 180 HP and 100-120 ft-lbs.

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Re: Photoshop Express

[David Savage]

Here is a similar suite of online applications I wrote about a few of
weeks ago (folks got carried away with the poor example at the top of
the page):



I still have 5 Phoenix invites

Cheers,

Dave

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Manuel
>
>  Looks interesting.  Thought I'd give it a try but discovered it's only
>  USA for now.
>
>
>
>  Cheers
>
>  Brian
>
>  ++
>  Brian Walters
>  Western Sydney, Australia
>  http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
>
>
>
>  On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:56:40 -, "Manuel Magalhães" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  said:
>
> > New service online from Adobe. It is beta for now but it seems a good
>  > idea,
>  > and with the know how of Adobe...
>  >
>  > I'm signing in. Will give updates
>  >
>  > Best regards,
>  >
>  > Manuel

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Re: New motorcycle thread! (was: The psychology of fanbois)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: New motorcycle thread! (was: The psychology of fanbois)



> WERA had, and still has, a vintage racing class (Vintage 5) for those
> late-70's/early-80's Japanese superbikes: Skinny tires, flexible frames
> and waay too much horsepower. The guys who do it refer to the sport as
> "dinosaur wrestling" :) Actually, they can be made to handle pretty well
> with some frame bracing and suspension upgrades.

I had the "pleasure" one time of riding a Cow 500 2 stroke for a little jaunt. 
I could actually 
feel the frame twisting under hard acceleration, and the only reason the thing 
kept going 
relatively straight was because the front wheel was off the ground, so it 
didn't matter how far 
out of line the front was.
Very scary ride, especially for someone who was used to the more sedate pace of 
the Harley big 
twin.
I gave up on the rice rockets with a Cow 650 that continually tried to kill me 
by speed 
wobbling.

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Re: Terms of Service

[P. J. Alling]

Doug Franklin wrote:
> David J Brooks wrote:
>
>   
>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>>>  I once wrote a nasty letter and it had the last line:
>>>   
>
> My personal favorite was "If I were an executive of your company, I'd be 
> ashamed a customer was being treated this way.".
>
>   
>>>  And I wouldn't be surprised if you smell funny as well.
>>>   
>> No, bring me a shrubery
>> 
>
> African or European?
>
>   
I thought that was a sparrow...

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Re: Photoshop Express

[Brian Walters]

Hi Manuel

Looks interesting.  Thought I'd give it a try but discovered it's only
USA for now.



Cheers

Brian

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:56:40 -, "Manuel Magalhães" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> New service online from Adobe. It is beta for now but it seems a good
> idea,
> and with the know how of Adobe...
> 
> I'm signing in. Will give updates
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Manuel
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Re: Zoom action - dust suction ???

[Christian]

Cotty wrote:
[selective editing]

> pumping...naturally...changes...physical size

[/selective editing]

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Re: Zoom action - dust suction ???

[Christian]

David J Brooks wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> . It put a lot of shit on the sensor, you're right.
> 
> I though we're supposed to put pictures on a sensor.:-0

Remember, he's shooting Canon...

Oh shit, wait a second!

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Re: Got it :-)

[Christian]

Tim Øsleby wrote:
> There is nothing wrong with a bit of cuddling. My mommy told me that.

ew...  just eww.

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Re: Got it :-)

[Christian]

Cotty wrote:
> On 27/3/08, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
>> right arm goes down cuddling it.
> 
> You bloody Norwegians! And I thought we Brits were pervs
> 

Duh.

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Re: PESO: a portrait of a girlfriend

[Tim Øsleby]

I could look at this for a long long time.

MaritimTim

2008/3/26, Luka Knezevic-Strika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg221/sprjemiste/_IGP1976-1.jpg
>
> k10d, 16-50, iso 560
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Re: Got it :-)

[Tim Øsleby]

There is nothing wrong with a bit of cuddling. My mommy told me that.

MaritimTim

2008/3/28, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 27/3/08, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
> >right arm goes down cuddling it.
>
> You bloody Norwegians! And I thought we Brits were pervs
>
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Re: Terms of Service

[Doug Franklin]

David J Brooks wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  I once wrote a nasty letter and it had the last line:

My personal favorite was "If I were an executive of your company, I'd be 
ashamed a customer was being treated this way.".

>>  And I wouldn't be surprised if you smell funny as well.
> 
> No, bring me a shrubery

African or European?

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Re: Zoom action - dust suction ???

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
. It put a lot of shit on the sensor, you're right.

I though we're supposed to put pictures on a sensor.:-0

Dave
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Re: PESO - A snowfall to save the season

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> AlunFoto wrote:
>  > This year has been very meagre for snow crystal photography around
>  > here, but last Monday it all came together. So here's one sample of
>  > this year's quite small, but still existant, production:
>  >
>  > Blogpost:
>  > http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/03/snowfall-to-save-season.html
>  >
>  > JPEG only:
>  > 
> http://bp1.blogger.com/_VWBjZjc1fI4/R-wYmC6LzCI/AIc/tp7XlxUiOOo/s1600-h/20080324-0040.jpg
>  >
>  > Best,
>  > Jostein
>  >
>  >
>
>  That's a great shot!  Very Cassino worthy!

Agreed. Nice blue colour

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Re: K20D Live View first impressions.

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That sounds pretty awful. I'll have to check it out when the local  
dealer gets some K20Ds in. The L1 and E-3 Live View is very clear and  
crisp, even in 10x magnification mode.

Godfrey

On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Timber wrote:
> The problem with K20D is it doesn't really magnifies. It's almost like
> you watch a picture in a viewer at 100%, 400% and 800%. Already at 4x
> magnification the picture is way too pixelated so it can not be  
> used for
> focusing.


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Re: First Digital Experience

[David J Brooks]

Very good framing and exposure.
Well done.

Dave

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Manuel Magalhães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
>  Out of lurking mode. And I really mean out! As some of you can remember I am
>  a proud owner of a MZ-S and a Super A and since January I felt the urge of
>  digital. I was not happy with the results of scanning 35mm photos because I
>  didn't own a scanner and had to rely on Frontier. No good. As I said, in
>  January I asked a good friend of mine and pdmler Pedro, his DL and started
>  shooting just digital (so I have a MZ-S to sell). I will show some examples
>  I took in a foggy morning in Porto and in a week-end in Douro Valley. One
>  thing I want to add is that the learning curve with digital is really
>  surprising, at least to me.
>
>
>
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/manumag_photos/
>
>
>
>  Oh, and now I am a proud owner of a k20d eh,eh,eh!
>
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>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Manuel
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Re: Zoom action - dust suction ???

[Cotty]

On 27/3/08, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Just ask Cotty.  Last year at GFM he was using a zoom
>to do some ground-level macro shooting around the
>dusty campsite.  His sensor looked like the inside of
>a vacuum cleaner afterwards.

Very nearly right Rick. It was the 65mm MP-E Macro lens. Basically a
variable set of extension tubes going from 1X through to 5X. Brilliant
lens. but if you turn the barrel fast enough you can actually feel the
air sucking in / pumping out of it. Well, naturally, as it changes
physical size drastically. It put a lot of shit on the sensor, you're right.

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Re: Got it :-)

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 27/3/08, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>
>  >I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
>  >right arm goes down cuddling it.
>
>  You bloody Norwegians! And I thought we Brits were pervs

Old news Cotty.:-)

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Re: Terms of Service

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On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 27/3/08, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>
>  >And, all in all, I completely agree with what you said. :-)
>
>  I once wrote a nasty letter and it had the last line:
>
>
>  And I wouldn't be surprised if you smell funny as well.

No, bring me a shrubery

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Re: Terms of Service

[Cotty]

On 27/3/08, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And, all in all, I completely agree with what you said. :-)

I once wrote a nasty letter and it had the last line:


And I wouldn't be surprised if you smell funny as well.



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New motorcycle thread! (was: The psychology of fanbois)

[Mark Roberts]

William Robb wrote:
> 
> The Sporties from when I was riding (mid 70s through to the mid 80s handled 
> as well as or better 
> the other 1000cc bikes that were available at the time. The Cow 1000 was a 
> cow when put into a 
> turn

WERA had, and still has, a vintage racing class (Vintage 5) for those 
late-70's/early-80's Japanese superbikes: Skinny tires, flexible frames 
and waay too much horsepower. The guys who do it refer to the sport as 
"dinosaur wrestling" :) Actually, they can be made to handle pretty well 
with some frame bracing and suspension upgrades.

Curiously, Rochester, NY was something of a center of talent for this 
racing class. Three of my friends, Tommy D'Ettorre, Broderick Walker and 
Jake Coye, all won the national championship. Jake and Tommy twice (each 
riding Kaw KZ1000 variants) and Broderick once (on a Suzuki GS1000). 
Jake once got hurt *badly* when his big Kaw spit him off in turn 3 at 
Nelson Ledges: He missed months of work.

Jake previously raced a Ducati 750 (bevel-drive) and won the WERA 
Vintage 3 championship on a Ducati 350 single (which displaced around 
450cc by the time he was finished with it). He's an amazing mechanic, 
particularly with Ducatis, but he's done some astonishing things with 
Japanese hardware and is currently service manager at a BWM (motorcycle) 
dealership.

Man, the stories I could tell about going racing with these guys! Come 
to GFM and gimme a few beers...

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Re: Got it :-)

[Cory Waters]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
>   
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Tim Øsleby"
>> Subject: Got it :-)
>>
>>
>> 
>>> I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
>>> right arm goes down cuddling it.
>>>   
>> I knew a girl like that once.
>>
>> William Robb 
>>
>>
>> 
> (Insert wife joke here.)
>
>   
Then my Ex-Wife met her and now I don't know either of them :(

Or
The she met my wife and now they're a couple and I'm here on this 
barstool talking you your ugly ass...

CW

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Re: Got it :-)

[Cotty]

On 27/3/08, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
>right arm goes down cuddling it.

You bloody Norwegians! And I thought we Brits were pervs

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Re: First Digital Experience

[Cotty]

On 27/3/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/manumag_photos/

Superb work - Metro Bridge 2 is stunning.

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Re: Terms of Service

[Doug Franklin]

OK, I'm gonna do a "bulk reply" here :-) ...

To all of you who agreed we my "they're pirates" interpretation, thanks 
for the confirmations.  Also, the fact that not one single reply has 
offered any alternative interpretation is pretty telling.

 > Mike Wilson: "The second sentence has been added ..."

That sounds to my untrained "legal ear" like just the rights they need 
to be able to outsource the production of the finished product.  The key 
part is "for the purposes of delivering the Services."

 > John Francis: "Good luck - you'll find a similar clause at many
 > web-hosting sites."

My experience has been that most web-hosting and most photo hosting 
sites explicitly include something like the "for the purposes of 
delivering the Services" to limit the rights they're demanding.  Lulu, 
Cafe Press, and Blurb, as of about a week ago, go out of their way to 
say that they don't even want any rights beyond those necessary to 
provide the services.  I haven't looked at any others recently.

 > Dave Brooks: "I was just about to submit some photos for an LCBO
 > photo contest ..."

Yep, I've seen that in quite a few photo "competitions".  It leads me to 
believe that many of them could be trolling operations to avoid having 
to pay stock houses.

 > Scott Loveless: "My wife used to be a 'consulatant' ..."

I'll be interested to hear what she finds out.  My friend the 
"consultant" asked up her "reporting chain" to get the answer I 
mentioned before ("it's so they can use your stuff in their promotional 
materials without having to track you down and pay you", which is 
egregious in and of itself). And that clause in the Snapfish Terms of 
Use is why I don't use Snapfish.

 > Paul Stenquist: "I would request a separate agreement ..."

Screw 'em.  There are other fish in the sea, and I'll spend my money 
with them.  I'll also take a couple of minutes to send a hand written 
letter to the top management of CM to tell them why they won't get my 
business, why I'll try to talk my friend into not being a consultant any 
more, and why I'll try to talk anyone I can out of using their services.

Commercial value or no, it's the principle of the thing.  Like you, I 
make my living on IP, though it's software rather than photos and print 
copy.  This is like an Internet backup service that claimed full rights 
to my software because I backed up the source to their service once.

 > Bob W: "why bother? If they've written this in such a way that you as
 > a normal person can't understand it, ..."

Well, I think I have a pretty good grasp of what it actually says.  And 
due to what it actually says, I won't use their service.  However, I'm 
curious.  I wonder what they think it means, which will be tough to 
tease out.  I also wonder what they'll officially claim it means, which 
ought to be easer to get from them.

I honestly don't think they're trying to bullshit.  The text is pretty 
clear.  I think they're either stupid or brazen or both.  Or they're 
planning on the bulk of their customers never reading the terms, or 
being too stupid, ignorant, or unimaginative to understand the 
implications even if they do read them.

My brother and I are going to race this weekend, and one of the 
Scrutineers (technical inspectors) is an IP lawyer.  For giggles, I've 
printed out the terms and I'm going to see if he'll give an 
interpretation, if he's at the track this weekend.

And, all in all, I completely agree with what you said. :-)

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Re: First Digital Experience

[Bong Manayon]

Beautiful man!  The open door is exceptional for me!  Where is this?

Bong

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Manuel Magalhães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
>  Out of lurking mode. And I really mean out! As some of you can remember I am
>  a proud owner of a MZ-S and a Super A and since January I felt the urge of
>  digital. I was not happy with the results of scanning 35mm photos because I
>  didn't own a scanner and had to rely on Frontier. No good. As I said, in
>  January I asked a good friend of mine and pdmler Pedro, his DL and started
>  shooting just digital (so I have a MZ-S to sell). I will show some examples
>  I took in a foggy morning in Porto and in a week-end in Douro Valley. One
>  thing I want to add is that the learning curve with digital is really
>  surprising, at least to me.
>
>
>
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/manumag_photos/
>
>
>
>  Oh, and now I am a proud owner of a k20d eh,eh,eh!
>
>
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Manuel
>
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Re: K20D Live View first impressions.

[Timber]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> I haven't got a K20D to experiment with but see page 174 in the K20D  
> instruction manual. You can use 4x and 8x magnification for Live View  
> to assist in focusing. Unless the K20D normalizes the brightness of  
> the LCD during Live View, there's no reason to believe that the LCD  
> view will be any brighter than the optical viewfinder in low light,  
> and it will likely be darker.
>   
Well if the Live View is using a higher ISO and maybe a lower refresh 
rate then it could achieve brighter picture. But it's just a very small 
problem compared to the Zoom one...
> The Panasonic L1 has 4x and 10x available for magnified focusing  
> assist. 
>   
The problem with K20D is it doesn't really magnifies. It's almost like 
you watch a picture in a viewer at 100%, 400% and 800%. Already at 4x 
magnification the picture is way too pixelated so it can not be used for 
focusing.

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Re: K20D Live View first impressions.

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:23 PM, David Savage wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>  First thing I've tried is MF lenses and Live View. My first  
>>> impression
>>>  was: disappointment.
>>
>>  Yeah, in a couple of weeks' shooting, I have yet to find a use  
>> for the
>>  Live View.  -Tim
>
> I've used it a few times.
>
> It's incredibly useful for compositions that I physically couldn't
> manage if I tried to use the optical VF.

I use it a lot with the L1. It makes working on a tripod very easy  
and comfortable, and it's 100% absolutely precise image registration  
makes full-frame compositions easy.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - A snowfall to save the season

[Tim Øsleby]

This must be the most symmetric snowflake ever recorded on any media.
Interesting.

MaritimTim

2008/3/27, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> This year has been very meagre for snow crystal photography around
> here, but last Monday it all came together. So here's one sample of
> this year's quite small, but still existant, production:
>
> Blogpost:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/03/snowfall-to-save-season.html
>
> JPEG only:
> http://bp1.blogger.com/_VWBjZjc1fI4/R-wYmC6LzCI/AIc/tp7XlxUiOOo/s1600-h/20080324-0040.jpg
>
> Best,
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Re: PESO - A snowfall to save the season

[pnstenquist]

Super shot. A near perfect snow crystal.
Consider yourself lucky on the weather. We've had a huge amount of snow here in 
michigan, near the record. And it's been quite cold. Hope to get some spring 
soon.
Paul
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> This year has been very meagre for snow crystal photography around
> here, but last Monday it all came together. So here's one sample of
> this year's quite small, but still existant, production:
> 
> Blogpost:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/03/snowfall-to-save-season.html
> 
> JPEG only:
> http://bp1.blogger.com/_VWBjZjc1fI4/R-wYmC6LzCI/AIc/tp7XlxUiOOo/s1600-h/
> 20080324-0040.jpg
> 
> Best,
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Re: K20D Live View first impressions.

[David Savage]

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  >  First thing I've tried is MF lenses and Live View. My first impression
>  >  was: disappointment.
>
>  Yeah, in a couple of weeks' shooting, I have yet to find a use for the
>  Live View.  -Tim

I've used it a few times.

It's incredibly useful for compositions that I physically couldn't
manage if I tried to use the optical VF.

Cheers,

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Re: K20D Live View first impressions.

[Tim Øsleby]

My slightly premature conclusion is that it is not the brightness that
is the problem with K20D. What happens is that the picture almost
falls apart from the slightest movement. It looks like some kind of
pixelation. My guess is that this is because of lack of processing
power.
Just a theory based one fifteen minutes of testing.

MaritimTim

2008/3/27, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I haven't got a K20D to experiment with but see page 174 in the K20D
> instruction manual. You can use 4x and 8x magnification for Live View
> to assist in focusing. Unless the K20D normalizes the brightness of
> the LCD during Live View, there's no reason to believe that the LCD
> view will be any brighter than the optical viewfinder in low light,
> and it will likely be darker.
>
> The Panasonic L1 has 4x and 10x available for magnified focusing
> assist. I use 10x almost all the time, but when used with a long
> focal length lens (like the 50-200) I sometimes bump it down to 4x as
> the magnification is too great: the image becomes too jittery to see
> clearly through infinitesmally small movements of the camera and
> lens. The L1 does not normalize display brightness beyond a certain
> point, however, so it becomes quite dark in dim lighting. I carry a
> flashlight in my bag for critical focusing in dim circumstances.
>
> Thus far, for DSLRs with Live View, having tried personally the
> Olympus E410, E510, E3, Nikon D300 and D3, the Panasonic L1 and L10
> have the best implementation so far. It's very usable and useful on
> these two bodies.
>
> Godfrey
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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 27, 2008, at 2:11 PM, William Robb wrote:

> One of the problems of living kinda in the boonies is that I never  
> had the opportunity to try a
> Guzzi or Duke. When I was riding, I would probably have appreciated  
> one, but IIRC, they were all
> Ricky Road Racers at that time, which is a style of bike I detest,  
> so it would have been an
> interesting diversion, not a brand changing experience.

Moto Guzzis were all standards and touring motorcycles except for the  
LeMans series until quite recently, and even now they are still  
heavily biased to the standard and touring bike class. Even the  
LeMans models were far from "Ricky Road Racer" bikes ... they were  
more of a 'gentlman's express', particularly the LeMans 1000 models.

Ducati's GT models were all standards through the '70s and into the  
early '80s. Only the Sport and SuperSport models were race reps. The  
modern Ducatis (starting about 1988-89) went more sport-oriented at  
first (Quattrovalvole, SS and IE models) but then they added more  
standards (the Monster model), touring (ST series), and all-terrain  
(Elefant and later variants).

I owned at various times the Ducati '75 750GT, '76 860GT, '94 E900  
Elefant, '92 907IE and '92 900SS models. I had two of the 750GT  
models, one of which I rode well over 80.000 miles back and forth  
across the US (several times). In the Moto Guzzis, I owned a '76  
850T-3, an '89 LeMans 1000 mk V, and a '75 850-T.

The LeMans 1000 model was a great tourer ... I rode that bike back  
and forth across the US eight times. It was supremely comfortable and  
a great handler.

Neither Moto Guzzi nor Ducati were ever big companies so dealers were  
nearly always few and far between unless you lived in certain areas.  
When I started riding these bikes, the dealers I did business with  
were over 100 miles away. I always did all my own maintenance work so  
it was never much of a bother to me.

Godfrey


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Re: PESO - A snowfall to save the season

[Christian]

AlunFoto wrote:
> This year has been very meagre for snow crystal photography around
> here, but last Monday it all came together. So here's one sample of
> this year's quite small, but still existant, production:
> 
> Blogpost:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/03/snowfall-to-save-season.html
> 
> JPEG only:
> http://bp1.blogger.com/_VWBjZjc1fI4/R-wYmC6LzCI/AIc/tp7XlxUiOOo/s1600-h/20080324-0040.jpg
> 
> Best,
> Jostein
> 
> 

That's a great shot!  Very Cassino worthy!

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PESO - A snowfall to save the season

[AlunFoto]

This year has been very meagre for snow crystal photography around
here, but last Monday it all came together. So here's one sample of
this year's quite small, but still existant, production:

Blogpost:
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/03/snowfall-to-save-season.html

JPEG only:
http://bp1.blogger.com/_VWBjZjc1fI4/R-wYmC6LzCI/AIc/tp7XlxUiOOo/s1600-h/20080324-0040.jpg

Best,
Jostein


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Re: K20D Live View first impressions.

[Tim Øsleby]

Timber, Tim and now MaritimTim :-)

I did a bit of testing myself, and I'm afraid I tend to agree with
your conclusions. The only use I can see for this bling feature is
shooting from the hip and above peoples head.
I can see myself making some shots of the crowd next time I'm
volunteering as house photographer at our local rock festival. Thats
once a year, wow :-)

MaritimTim aka Tim Typo

2008/3/27, Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  First thing I've tried is MF lenses and Live View. My first impression
> >  was: disappointment.
>
> Yeah, in a couple of weeks' shooting, I have yet to find a use for the
> Live View.  -Tim
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Re: K20D Live View first impressions.

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I haven't got a K20D to experiment with but see page 174 in the K20D  
instruction manual. You can use 4x and 8x magnification for Live View  
to assist in focusing. Unless the K20D normalizes the brightness of  
the LCD during Live View, there's no reason to believe that the LCD  
view will be any brighter than the optical viewfinder in low light,  
and it will likely be darker.

The Panasonic L1 has 4x and 10x available for magnified focusing  
assist. I use 10x almost all the time, but when used with a long  
focal length lens (like the 50-200) I sometimes bump it down to 4x as  
the magnification is too great: the image becomes too jittery to see  
clearly through infinitesmally small movements of the camera and  
lens. The L1 does not normalize display brightness beyond a certain  
point, however, so it becomes quite dark in dim lighting. I carry a  
flashlight in my bag for critical focusing in dim circumstances.

Thus far, for DSLRs with Live View, having tried personally the  
Olympus E410, E510, E3, Nikon D300 and D3, the Panasonic L1 and L10  
have the best implementation so far. It's very usable and useful on  
these two bodies.

Godfrey



On Mar 27, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Timber wrote:
> Hi list!
>
> Today I've joined the K20D owners :D
>
> First thing I've tried is MF lenses and Live View. My first impression
> was: disappointment.
> First the zooming in is totally useless. At 4x you can barely see  
> if the
> sharpness is at the right place or not. That was one of my  
> expectations
> from the Live View, to be able to zoom in and see the focus. Second is
> low light. I hoped that in low light I will be able to see a bit more
> trough live view (even if noisier) but I see even less with Live View
> (at f4) than with my eyes. I hope at least the zooming may be  
> changed in
> a later firmware version, because at the moment it's really
> disappointing. For a good reference see Panasonic FZ50, where it is  
> very
> useable. So far I know Canon EOS 40D is zooming in normally and not  
> just
> doubling every pixel...
>

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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Desjardins"
Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois


> Ditto.  I'd like to get a Ducati 696, but the nearest dealer is 125
> miles away.  HD,OTOH, is 30, 50, and 75.

125 miles, I'd have been OK with. My first Harley came from a dealer 120 miles 
from me. When I 
was riding, the nearest Guzzi or Duke dealers were 500 miles away in Calgary.

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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[Steve Desjardins]

Ditto.  I'd like to get a Ducati 696, but the nearest dealer is 125
miles away.  HD,OTOH, is 30, 50, and 75.

Steven Desjardins
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>>> "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/27/2008 5:11 PM >>>

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois



>
> One of my best friends, a fierce H-D Sportster fanatic for 20 years,
> took a ride one afternoon a dozen years ago on my Ducati 907IE. He
> sold his Sportie the next day for a Ducati and hasn't touched
> anything else since. He's at 120,000 miles on the old beater now...
:-)

One of the problems of living kinda in the boonies is that I never had
the opportunity to try a 
Guzzi or Duke. When I was riding, I would probably have appreciated
one, but IIRC, they were all 
Ricky Road Racers at that time, which is a style of bike I detest, so
it would have been an 
interesting diversion, not a brand changing experience.

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PESO: toddlers and shark

[Tim Bray]

Taken at the Maui Ocean Center.  The toddlers are awfully cute.

http://tinyurl.com/3c6zm2
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/03/25/-big/PS080353.jpg

The containing blog entry has some general remarks on the state of the
photographic art:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/03/25/Camera-News

  -T

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Re: K20D Live View first impressions.

[Tim Bray]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  First thing I've tried is MF lenses and Live View. My first impression
>  was: disappointment.

Yeah, in a couple of weeks' shooting, I have yet to find a use for the
Live View.  -Tim

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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois



>
> One of my best friends, a fierce H-D Sportster fanatic for 20 years,
> took a ride one afternoon a dozen years ago on my Ducati 907IE. He
> sold his Sportie the next day for a Ducati and hasn't touched
> anything else since. He's at 120,000 miles on the old beater now... :-)

One of the problems of living kinda in the boonies is that I never had the 
opportunity to try a 
Guzzi or Duke. When I was riding, I would probably have appreciated one, but 
IIRC, they were all 
Ricky Road Racers at that time, which is a style of bike I detest, so it would 
have been an 
interesting diversion, not a brand changing experience.

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RE: Terms of Service

[Bob W]

> I've contacted them officially asking them just exactly what they 
> intended to say here,

why bother? If they've written this in such a way that you as a normal
person can't understand it, then they're trying to bullshit you. If
they've written a great big long agreement full of legal-sounding
jargon and double-negatives they are trying to intimidate people into
not reading it, and just signing up on the assumption that they're
probably a decent company. 

A decent company that wanted to offer you a fair service for a fair
return would use plain language and tell you that you retained all
rights.

Bob



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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:53 AM, William Robb wrote:
>>
>> The rubber-mounted engine models  (2004 and later) have far less
>> vibrations.  They still don't handle as well as  a sportbike, but  
>> well
>> enough for riding around.
>
> The Sporties from when I was riding (mid 70s through to the mid 80s  
> handled as well as or better
> the other 1000cc bikes that were available at the time. The Cow  
> 1000 was a cow when put into a
> turn, and the Goldwing wasn't noted for nimble handling either. I  
> know because I rode both. The
> Wing had been stripped for the street, so the touring equipment  
> can't be held blame. The Wing
> did have a nice smooth engine, which the inline engines didn't  
> have. I found the inline fours to
> be hand numbingly buzzy, whereas the Harleys, while they did  
> vibrate enough to make you need to
> pee quite often, the vibration was a low enough frequency that you  
> could settle into it and ride
> with it, in much the same way that a horse rider gets acclimatizes  
> to the movements of his steed
> (I've done my share of bareback riding as well).
> The big Beemers were definitely several cuts above anything else  
> that was on the street, but
> they had all the style of a pregnant walrus.

I rode Ducati and Moto Guzzi twins for thirty years, had Hondas,  
Kawasakis, Yamahas, and rode several H-Ds as well.

The Ducatis and Moto Guzzis were several cuts above the BMWs, and  
everything else, handling-wise. The Guzzis were not only easier to  
maintain, more durable, but more comfortable as well. The Ducatis  
were pretty darn good, simple to work on, and much smoother than  
*anything* else albeit not generally built for maximum comfort.

No comparison to the ancient technology of the Norton and Triumph  
twins I started with, that's for sure. But they were fun in their own  
right. Norton did the rubber mounted engine thing with the  
Commando ... the Isolastic System they called it ... in 1968-69. It  
worked, but had its own problems. The old Featherbed frame always  
felt better to me.

One of my best friends, a fierce H-D Sportster fanatic for 20 years,  
took a ride one afternoon a dozen years ago on my Ducati 907IE. He  
sold his Sportie the next day for a Ducati and hasn't touched  
anything else since. He's at 120,000 miles on the old beater now... :-)

Godfrey


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K20D Live View first impressions.

[Timber]

Hi list!

Today I've joined the K20D owners :D

First thing I've tried is MF lenses and Live View. My first impression 
was: disappointment.
First the zooming in is totally useless. At 4x you can barely see if the 
sharpness is at the right place or not. That was one of my expectations 
from the Live View, to be able to zoom in and see the focus. Second is 
low light. I hoped that in low light I will be able to see a bit more 
trough live view (even if noisier) but I see even less with Live View 
(at f4) than with my eyes. I hope at least the zooming may be changed in 
a later firmware version, because at the moment it's really 
disappointing. For a good reference see Panasonic FZ50, where it is very 
useable. So far I know Canon EOS 40D is zooming in normally and not just 
doubling every pixel...

Cheers,
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FS - Kirk Arca Swiss plate for *ist D

[kwaller]

Kirk gets $55.00 USD for this plate.

I no longer have a need for it.

$40.00 in excellent, as used condition, buyer pays shipping.
(included mounting screw & allen wrench)

Kenneth Waller
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Photoshop Express

[Manuel Magalhães]

New service online from Adobe. It is beta for now but it seems a good idea,
and with the know how of Adobe...

I'm signing in. Will give updates

Best regards,

Manuel

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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Desjardins"
Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois


> The rubber-mounted engine models  (2004 and later) have far less
> vibrations.  They still don't handle as well as  a sportbike, but well
> enough for riding around.

The Sporties from when I was riding (mid 70s through to the mid 80s handled as 
well as or better 
the other 1000cc bikes that were available at the time. The Cow 1000 was a cow 
when put into a 
turn, and the Goldwing wasn't noted for nimble handling either. I know because 
I rode both. The 
Wing had been stripped for the street, so the touring equipment can't be held 
blame. The Wing 
did have a nice smooth engine, which the inline engines didn't have. I found 
the inline fours to 
be hand numbingly buzzy, whereas the Harleys, while they did vibrate enough to 
make you need to 
pee quite often, the vibration was a low enough frequency that you could settle 
into it and ride 
with it, in much the same way that a horse rider gets acclimatizes to the 
movements of his steed 
(I've done my share of bareback riding as well).
The big Beemers were definitely several cuts above anything else that was on 
the street, but 
they had all the style of a pregnant walrus.

William Robb 


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Re: First Digital Experience

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Manuel Magalhães"
Subject: First Digital Experience


Hi guys,



Out of lurking mode. And I really mean out! As some of you can remember I am
a proud owner of a MZ-S and a Super A and since January I felt the urge of
digital. I was not happy with the results of scanning 35mm photos because I
didn’t own a scanner and had to rely on Frontier. No good. As I said, in
January I asked a good friend of mine and pdmler Pedro, his DL and started
shooting just digital (so I have a MZ-S to sell). I will show some examples
I took in a foggy morning in Porto and in a week-end in Douro Valley. One
thing I want to add is that the learning curve with digital is really
surprising, at least to me.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/manumag_photos/



Oh, and now I am a proud owner of a k20d eh,eh,eh!


You have a good eye. Those are excellent pictures.

William Robb 


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Re: Zoom action - dust suction ???

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just ask Cotty.  Last year at GFM he was using a zoom
>  to do some ground-level macro shooting around the
>  dusty campsite.  His sensor looked like the inside of
>  a vacuum cleaner afterwards.

Thats what he gets for waiting till the last minute for the phot contest.:-0

In all seriousness, the sensor looked bad.

Dust is a fact of life in Dslr's. Just try and change lenses in a calm
area, and to change as little as possible. I make a habit of using a
good blower once a week, weither is see dust or not.

My D2H had dust out of the box.

Dave
>
>
>
>
>  --- Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Can a zoom lens be used as a vacuum cleaner?
>  > (cleaning the space around, and collecting all that
>  > dust on the sensor)
>  >
>  > A fellow on dpreview forums claims that operating
>  > zoom on Pentax
>  > 18-250 provides suction that leads to dust
>  > penetrating inside the lens.
>  >
>  >
>  http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=27304333
>  >
>  > Any comments?
>  >
>  > Has anybody seen any objective results about this
>  > suction effect in
>  > zooms? (Most zooms do not have dust-sealed design,
>  > so this effect should
>  > not be limited just to this lens.)
>  >
>  > Igor
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Re: Terms of Service

[David J Brooks]

I was just about to submit some photos for an LCBO photo contest last
yera, and re read the TOS. I missed the line in there that said once
submitted , they have the rights tothe phot, or in such terms.

I did not send them, as they were some of my better shots, obviously,

Dave

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> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:33:14PM +, mike wilson wrote:
>  > > From: Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > > Subject: Terms of Service
>  > >
>  > > Howdy, folks,
>
>  [ . . . .]
>
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>
>  Good luck - you'll find a similar clause at many web-hosting sites.
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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[Steve Desjardins]

The rubber-mounted engine models  (2004 and later) have far less
vibrations.  They still don't handle as well as  a sportbike, but well
enough for riding around.

>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/27/2008 11:56 AM >>>

On Mar 27, 2008, at 7:54 AM, William Robb wrote:
> ... I rode the big twins, which were built for comfort and good  
> looks, not for handling and speed,
> but the Sportsters had a bit more ground clearance and had as good  
> handling as just about
> anything else out there. ...

O my ... No, I can't even begin ...

Sporties are the worst handling things I've ever ridden. Period. And  
uncomfortable as all hell. They're like riding a paint shaker with an 

attitude having all the wonderful suspension of a hospital gurney.

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Re: Terms of Service

[John Francis]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:33:14PM +, mike wilson wrote:
> > From: Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Terms of Service
> > 
> > Howdy, folks,

[ . . . .]

> No.  Find somewhere else.

Good luck - you'll find a similar clause at many web-hosting sites.


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Re: First Digital Experience

[P. J. Alling]

Some nice stuff there. Welcome to the list.

Manuel Magalhães wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
>  
>
> Out of lurking mode. And I really mean out! As some of you can remember I am
> a proud owner of a MZ-S and a Super A and since January I felt the urge of
> digital. I was not happy with the results of scanning 35mm photos because I
> didn’t own a scanner and had to rely on Frontier. No good. As I said, in
> January I asked a good friend of mine and pdmler Pedro, his DL and started
> shooting just digital (so I have a MZ-S to sell). I will show some examples
> I took in a foggy morning in Porto and in a week-end in Douro Valley. One
> thing I want to add is that the learning curve with digital is really
> surprising, at least to me.
>
>  
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/manumag_photos/
>
>  
>
> Oh, and now I am a proud owner of a k20d eh,eh,eh!
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Manuel
>
>
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First Digital Experience

[Manuel Magalhães]

Hi guys,

 

Out of lurking mode. And I really mean out! As some of you can remember I am
a proud owner of a MZ-S and a Super A and since January I felt the urge of
digital. I was not happy with the results of scanning 35mm photos because I
didn’t own a scanner and had to rely on Frontier. No good. As I said, in
January I asked a good friend of mine and pdmler Pedro, his DL and started
shooting just digital (so I have a MZ-S to sell). I will show some examples
I took in a foggy morning in Porto and in a week-end in Douro Valley. One
thing I want to add is that the learning curve with digital is really
surprising, at least to me.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/manumag_photos/

 

Oh, and now I am a proud owner of a k20d eh,eh,eh!

 

Best regards,

Manuel


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Re: Got it :-)

[Scott Loveless]

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Scott Loveless" 
> Subject: Re: Got it :-)
> 
>>> I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
>>> right arm goes down cuddling it.
>> I knew a girl like that once.
>>
>> William Robb 
>>
>>
> (Insert wife joke here.)
> 
> I didn't meet your wife until later..
> 
> HAR!!
> 
That's more like it.

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Re: Terms of Service

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: Terms of Service


> They've worded it in such a way that it gives them far more rights than mere 
> marketing use. I 
> would request a separate agreement if I was determined to use their service. 
> I woulld extend 
> rights for marketing of their service but exclude any other commercial use. 
> On the other hand 
> if the material I wanted to print seemed to have little commercial value, I 
> might just go 
> ahead and do it, but I'd probably still attach a note in regard to my 
> retaining all copyrights 
> on the material.

I think you will find that they would just fall back on the original contract, 
which allows them 
to use anything submitted to them in any fashion, and does not, from the looks 
of it, hold them 
to unenforcable agreements that their clients would like them to adhere to.
I'd just find an honest publisher who isn't showing interest in stealing my 
work via EULA and 
use them instead.

William Robb


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Re: Got it :-)

[William Robb]

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From: "Scott Loveless" 
Subject: Re: Got it :-)

> 
>> I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
>> right arm goes down cuddling it.
> 
> I knew a girl like that once.
> 
> William Robb 
> 
> 
(Insert wife joke here.)

I didn't meet your wife until later..

HAR!!

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Re: Terms of Service

[pnstenquist]

They've worded it in such a way that it gives them far more rights than mere 
marketing use. I would request a separate agreement if I was determined to use 
their service. I woulld extend rights for marketing of their service but 
exclude any other commercial use. On the other hand if the material I wanted to 
print seemed to have little commercial value, I might just go ahead and do it, 
but I'd probably still attach a note in regard to my retaining all copyrights 
on the material.
Paul
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From: Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Howdy, folks,
> 
> We've had several discussions over the years about the terms of use of 
> various web sites and services.  Well, I've been planning to put 
> together a very short run of a small photo book from my recent trip to 
> Bulgaria.  I only plan a run of maybe 30 because they're for gifts to 
> people over there and family here.  So I've been looking at self 
> publishing web sites like Lulu and Blurb and such.
> 
> A friend of mine recently got involved with a multi-level marketing 
> company called Creative Memories.  Their focus is more on "electronic 
> scrapbooking", but they have a service that would be appropriate for , I 
> what I'm doing.  It's a little pricey, but I considered doing it through 
> them to help her out.
> 
> Being a bit sensitive to intellectual property issues, I read the Terms 
> of Use (ToU).  It contains the following section:
> 
>  Idea submission statement
> 
>  Any ideas, proposals, and/or other information submitted or
>  collected on this site shall be considered non-confidential. By
>  submitting information to this site, or directly to Creative
>  Memories, you agree that Creative Memories shall not be under any
>  obligation of confidentiality or non-use, express or implied,
>  with respect to any submissions, and Creative Memories may
>  disclose or use any submission for any purpose whatsoever, at its
>  sole discretion, with no obligation, express or implied, to
>  compensate or work with the person or entity that supplied the
>  information, idea and/or proposal in any manner.
> 
> Now, that's a pretty far reaching claim.  Here it is again, elided to 
> focus on what I have a problem with.
> 
>  ... By submitting information to this site ... you agree that
>  ... and Creative Memories may ... use any submission for any
>  purpose whatsoever ... with no obligation ... to compensate or
>  work with the person or entity that supplied [it] ...
> 
> I've contacted them officially asking them just exactly what they 
> intended to say here, in case it's less than the "your stuff is ours if 
> you pay us to print it" interpretation I give it.  No answer.  I've also 
> contacted them unofficially through the member/dealer network.  The 
> answer from that side is that it's so they can use excerpts of your 
> stuff in their marketing material without having to find you, work with 
> you, or pay you, though it wasn't phrased quite that way.
> 
> Personally, I find this clause and the unofficial attitude quite 
> disturbing.  Am I overreacting?
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> DougF (KG4LMZ)
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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 27, 2008, at 7:54 AM, William Robb wrote:
> ... I rode the big twins, which were built for comfort and good  
> looks, not for handling and speed,
> but the Sportsters had a bit more ground clearance and had as good  
> handling as just about
> anything else out there. ...

O my ... No, I can't even begin ...

Sporties are the worst handling things I've ever ridden. Period. And  
uncomfortable as all hell. They're like riding a paint shaker with an  
attitude having all the wonderful suspension of a hospital gurney.

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Re: K10D (V1.30 firmware) and DA* 16-50/2.8 focus problems

[Joseph Tainter]

"It appears that at 16mm the lens is not focused all the way to infinity
but the resulting pictures of remote objects are still as sharp as they
can get (well within DOF) even at f2.8."

Antti, what you are describing is a lens with a defect--apparently a 
fairly common defect. Your images still appear approximately okay 
because at 16 mm the depth of field is so great.

On my K20D, the DA* 16-50 at 16 mm would not autofocus beyond the 2 m 
mark. That is, it would not autofocus to infinity. If I focus manually 
to infinity the images are much sharper. So the lens is front-focusing 
badly at this focal length. From 18 to 50 mm the lens focuses to 
infinity just fine.

My K20D and both of my DA* zoom lenses have been sent to Pentax to be 
repaired.

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Re: Got it :-)

[Scott Loveless]

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tim Øsleby"
> Subject: Got it :-)
> 
> 
>> I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
>> right arm goes down cuddling it.
> 
> I knew a girl like that once.
> 
> William Robb 
> 
> 
(Insert wife joke here.)

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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson"
Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois



>
> Aluminium head/barrel?  Cast iron generally went out for motorcycle 
> crankcases pre WWI. 
> Although you are talking HD

They were, overall more reliable than the English bikes that I owned (Tridents 
and Rockets), but 
less so than the Kawasakis and Beemers.
The HD engines held together far longer than the Japanese inline 4s though, 
weighed about the 
same, and carried that weight lower, which ketp the center of gravity closer to 
the ground which 
make the handling less twitchy.
I rode the big twins, which were built for comfort and good looks, not for 
handling and speed, 
but the Sportsters had a bit more ground clearance and had as good handling as 
just about 
anything else out there.
My 80 inch Low Rider weighted about the same as the Kawasaki 900 LTD, which was 
the first 
Japanese attempt at copying the HD cruiser style, and was far easier to ride in 
traffic than the 
Cow.

William Robb


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Re: Got it :-)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Øsleby"
Subject: Got it :-)


> I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
> right arm goes down cuddling it.

I knew a girl like that once.

William Robb 


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Re: Terms of Service

[Scott Loveless]

Doug Franklin wrote:
> Howdy, folks,
> 
> We've had several discussions over the years about the terms of use of 
> various web sites and services.  Well, I've been planning to put 
> together a very short run of a small photo book from my recent trip to 
> Bulgaria.  I only plan a run of maybe 30 because they're for gifts to 
> people over there and family here.  So I've been looking at self 
> publishing web sites like Lulu and Blurb and such.
> 
> A friend of mine recently got involved with a multi-level marketing 
> company called Creative Memories.  Their focus is more on "electronic 
> scrapbooking", but they have a service that would be appropriate for 
> what I'm doing.  It's a little pricey, but I considered doing it through 
> them to help her out.
>
 > 
> 
> Personally, I find this clause and the unofficial attitude quite 
> disturbing.  Am I overreacting?
> 

Doug,

My wife used to be a "consultant".  We have had several photo books 
printed by CM.  I forwarded your message to her for an opinion.  She 
didn't remember seeing that in the TOS the last time she ordered from 
them and was rather surprised by it.  So she's going to ask one of her 
consultant friends to call CM's consultant services for clarification.

We both agreed that it leans way too far in CM's favor.  Even Snapfish's 
TOS specifies that if they use your photos, they will only be used to 
promote Snapfish.  If I were you I'd go with Blurb.

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Re: Terms of Service

[Andreas Pfotenhauer]

this is legalese "all your base are belong to us", i would look for 
someone else.
> Howdy, folks,
>
> We've had several discussions over the years about the terms of use of 
> various web sites and services.  Well, I've been planning to put 
> together a very short run of a small photo book from my recent trip to 
> Bulgaria.  I only plan a run of maybe 30 because they're for gifts to 
> people over there and family here.  So I've been looking at self 
> publishing web sites like Lulu and Blurb and such.
>
> A friend of mine recently got involved with a multi-level marketing 
> company called Creative Memories.  Their focus is more on "electronic 
> scrapbooking", but they have a service that would be appropriate for 
> what I'm doing.  It's a little pricey, but I considered doing it through 
> them to help her out.
>
> Being a bit sensitive to intellectual property issues, I read the Terms 
> of Use (ToU).  It contains the following section:
>
>  Idea submission statement
>
>  Any ideas, proposals, and/or other information submitted or
>  collected on this site shall be considered non-confidential. By
>  submitting information to this site, or directly to Creative
>  Memories, you agree that Creative Memories shall not be under any
>  obligation of confidentiality or non-use, express or implied,
>  with respect to any submissions, and Creative Memories may
>  disclose or use any submission for any purpose whatsoever, at its
>  sole discretion, with no obligation, express or implied, to
>  compensate or work with the person or entity that supplied the
>  information, idea and/or proposal in any manner.
>
> Now, that's a pretty far reaching claim.  Here it is again, elided to 
> focus on what I have a problem with.
>
>  ... By submitting information to this site ... you agree that
>  ... and Creative Memories may ... use any submission for any
>  purpose whatsoever ... with no obligation ... to compensate or
>  work with the person or entity that supplied [it] ...
>
> I've contacted them officially asking them just exactly what they 
> intended to say here, in case it's less than the "your stuff is ours if 
> you pay us to print it" interpretation I give it.  No answer.  I've also 
> contacted them unofficially through the member/dealer network.  The 
> answer from that side is that it's so they can use excerpts of your 
> stuff in their marketing material without having to find you, work with 
> you, or pay you, though it wasn't phrased quite that way.
>
> Personally, I find this clause and the unofficial attitude quite 
> disturbing.  Am I overreacting?
>
>   


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Re: Terms of Service

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/03/27 Thu PM 01:08:58 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Terms of Service
> 
> Howdy, folks,
> 
> We've had several discussions over the years about the terms of use of 
> various web sites and services.  Well, I've been planning to put 
> together a very short run of a small photo book from my recent trip to 
> Bulgaria.  I only plan a run of maybe 30 because they're for gifts to 
> people over there and family here.  So I've been looking at self 
> publishing web sites like Lulu and Blurb and such.
> 
> A friend of mine recently got involved with a multi-level marketing 
> company called Creative Memories.  Their focus is more on "electronic 
> scrapbooking", but they have a service that would be appropriate for 
> what I'm doing.  It's a little pricey, but I considered doing it through 
> them to help her out.
> 
> Being a bit sensitive to intellectual property issues, I read the Terms 
> of Use (ToU).  It contains the following section:
> 
>  Idea submission statement
> 
>  Any ideas, proposals, and/or other information submitted or
>  collected on this site shall be considered non-confidential. By
>  submitting information to this site, or directly to Creative
>  Memories, you agree that Creative Memories shall not be under any
>  obligation of confidentiality or non-use, express or implied,
>  with respect to any submissions, and Creative Memories may
>  disclose or use any submission for any purpose whatsoever, at its
>  sole discretion, with no obligation, express or implied, to
>  compensate or work with the person or entity that supplied the
>  information, idea and/or proposal in any manner.
> 
> Now, that's a pretty far reaching claim.  Here it is again, elided to 
> focus on what I have a problem with.
> 
>  ... By submitting information to this site ... you agree that
>  ... and Creative Memories may ... use any submission for any
>  purpose whatsoever ... with no obligation ... to compensate or
>  work with the person or entity that supplied [it] ...
> 
> I've contacted them officially asking them just exactly what they 
> intended to say here, in case it's less than the "your stuff is ours if 
> you pay us to print it" interpretation I give it.  No answer.  I've also 
> contacted them unofficially through the member/dealer network.  The 
> answer from that side is that it's so they can use excerpts of your 
> stuff in their marketing material without having to find you, work with 
> you, or pay you, though it wasn't phrased quite that way.
> 
> Personally, I find this clause and the unofficial attitude quite 
> disturbing.  Am I overreacting?

No.  Find somewhere else.  I used these recently.  This is the UK portal but 
there will be access in the USA.  The book was manufactured in Noo Joisey...

http://www.mypublisher.uk.com/associations/costcouk/index.php?assoc=costcouk

H.  The second sentence has been added since I used it.  Will have to 
investigate.
"You acknowledge and agree that any submission may be published, copied, 
customized, removed, transmitted and shown by MyPublisher for the purposes of 
delivering the Services. In addition, you warrant that all moral rights in any 
uploaded images and materials have been waived."


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Re: Zoom action - dust suction ???

[Rick Womer]

Just ask Cotty.  Last year at GFM he was using a zoom
to do some ground-level macro shooting around the
dusty campsite.  His sensor looked like the inside of
a vacuum cleaner afterwards.


--- Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Can a zoom lens be used as a vacuum cleaner?
> (cleaning the space around, and collecting all that
> dust on the sensor)
> 
> A fellow on dpreview forums claims that operating
> zoom on Pentax 
> 18-250 provides suction that leads to dust
> penetrating inside the lens.
> 
>
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=27304333
> 
> Any comments?
> 
> Has anybody seen any objective results about this
> suction effect in
> zooms? (Most zooms do not have dust-sealed design,
> so this effect should
> not be limited just to this lens.)
> 
> Igor
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http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Re: Terms of Service

[P. J. Alling]

I think you've got the gist of it.  I would never deal with such 
pirates.  Most dishonest people steal behind your back, they seem to be 
telling you that they'll steal right in front of you.  No shame about it 
either.

Doug Franklin wrote:
> Howdy, folks,
>
> We've had several discussions over the years about the terms of use of 
> various web sites and services.  Well, I've been planning to put 
> together a very short run of a small photo book from my recent trip to 
> Bulgaria.  I only plan a run of maybe 30 because they're for gifts to 
> people over there and family here.  So I've been looking at self 
> publishing web sites like Lulu and Blurb and such.
>
> A friend of mine recently got involved with a multi-level marketing 
> company called Creative Memories.  Their focus is more on "electronic 
> scrapbooking", but they have a service that would be appropriate for 
> what I'm doing.  It's a little pricey, but I considered doing it through 
> them to help her out.
>
> Being a bit sensitive to intellectual property issues, I read the Terms 
> of Use (ToU).  It contains the following section:
>
>  Idea submission statement
>
>  Any ideas, proposals, and/or other information submitted or
>  collected on this site shall be considered non-confidential. By
>  submitting information to this site, or directly to Creative
>  Memories, you agree that Creative Memories shall not be under any
>  obligation of confidentiality or non-use, express or implied,
>  with respect to any submissions, and Creative Memories may
>  disclose or use any submission for any purpose whatsoever, at its
>  sole discretion, with no obligation, express or implied, to
>  compensate or work with the person or entity that supplied the
>  information, idea and/or proposal in any manner.
>
> Now, that's a pretty far reaching claim.  Here it is again, elided to 
> focus on what I have a problem with.
>
>  ... By submitting information to this site ... you agree that
>  ... and Creative Memories may ... use any submission for any
>  purpose whatsoever ... with no obligation ... to compensate or
>  work with the person or entity that supplied [it] ...
>
> I've contacted them officially asking them just exactly what they 
> intended to say here, in case it's less than the "your stuff is ours if 
> you pay us to print it" interpretation I give it.  No answer.  I've also 
> contacted them unofficially through the member/dealer network.  The 
> answer from that side is that it's so they can use excerpts of your 
> stuff in their marketing material without having to find you, work with 
> you, or pay you, though it wasn't phrased quite that way.
>
> Personally, I find this clause and the unofficial attitude quite 
> disturbing.  Am I overreacting?
>
>   


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Terms of Service

[Doug Franklin]

Howdy, folks,

We've had several discussions over the years about the terms of use of 
various web sites and services.  Well, I've been planning to put 
together a very short run of a small photo book from my recent trip to 
Bulgaria.  I only plan a run of maybe 30 because they're for gifts to 
people over there and family here.  So I've been looking at self 
publishing web sites like Lulu and Blurb and such.

A friend of mine recently got involved with a multi-level marketing 
company called Creative Memories.  Their focus is more on "electronic 
scrapbooking", but they have a service that would be appropriate for 
what I'm doing.  It's a little pricey, but I considered doing it through 
them to help her out.

Being a bit sensitive to intellectual property issues, I read the Terms 
of Use (ToU).  It contains the following section:

 Idea submission statement

 Any ideas, proposals, and/or other information submitted or
 collected on this site shall be considered non-confidential. By
 submitting information to this site, or directly to Creative
 Memories, you agree that Creative Memories shall not be under any
 obligation of confidentiality or non-use, express or implied,
 with respect to any submissions, and Creative Memories may
 disclose or use any submission for any purpose whatsoever, at its
 sole discretion, with no obligation, express or implied, to
 compensate or work with the person or entity that supplied the
 information, idea and/or proposal in any manner.

Now, that's a pretty far reaching claim.  Here it is again, elided to 
focus on what I have a problem with.

 ... By submitting information to this site ... you agree that
 ... and Creative Memories may ... use any submission for any
 purpose whatsoever ... with no obligation ... to compensate or
 work with the person or entity that supplied [it] ...

I've contacted them officially asking them just exactly what they 
intended to say here, in case it's less than the "your stuff is ours if 
you pay us to print it" interpretation I give it.  No answer.  I've also 
contacted them unofficially through the member/dealer network.  The 
answer from that side is that it's so they can use excerpts of your 
stuff in their marketing material without having to find you, work with 
you, or pay you, though it wasn't phrased quite that way.

Personally, I find this clause and the unofficial attitude quite 
disturbing.  Am I overreacting?

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DougF (KG4LMZ)

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Re: online storage?

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Franklin wrote:
> Cory Waters wrote:
> 
>> I wonder if any of you are using or would even consider online storage 
>> for back-up purposes.
> 
> I haven't tried them yet.  I would read the terms of service very 
> carefully before using one.  And I'd probably only put encrypted 
> material on one, regardless of their assurances.

What he said.



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Got it :-)

[Tim Øsleby]

I'm having it in my lap while writing this. Every now and then my
right arm goes down cuddling it.
So, now I'm one laptop and two DA* zooms away from being complete as a
human being.

So far I am happy.
Dynamic range seems improved. But, most likely I'm fooling myself. I
think it because more accurate exposure gives me less problems with
the highlights.
For obvious reasons I can't compare directly with the K10D, but AF
seems faster too. I did a informal test of accuracy at one meter. Spot
on at every FL with the 18-250. I will do a new test at infinity later
today. So far it is hard to not like this new tool.

bought it from the local pusher, who makes his living as a
photographer. He was  impressed by the build quality. So I would not
be surprised if I saw a Pentax on display there later.

MartimTim

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Re: PESO: Synchronize Your Cell Phones

[Marcus A. Hofmann]

Thanks Paul.

I just found out that I qualify for an academic license, which is a  
lot cheaper than the regular version, and ordered Photoshop. Now all I  
hope is that I will actually find the time to learn the very basics,  
at least.


Marcus

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Am 25.03.2008 um 18:39 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Yes, it's a PhotoShop process.  I should have been clear about that.  
> PhotoShop is quite expensive, but it's also very powerful. I'd be  
> lost wihout it. However, I know others do just fine using other  
> software. I'm not sure, but PS Elements, which is much less  
> expensive, may have channel mixer capability. Perhaps someone else  
> can tell us.
> Paul
> -- Original message --
> From: "Marcus A. Hofmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Paul, I assume you're talking about Adobe Photoshop (which I am
>> hesitating to buy, because I am not sure if I really need such
>> expensive software)?
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> --
>> Am 13.03.2008 um 15:59 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>> Thanks Marcus (and all others who responded).
>>> I use the channel mixer for BW conversions most of the time. After
>>> clicking on "monochromatic," I usually start with about 80% red, 12%
>>> green and 10% blue, then fiddle with the sliders. A bit less of one,
>>> a bit more of another. I just work the numbers until I think it
>>> looks good. I sometimes go to -2 or -4 on the adjustment called
>>> "Constant" as well.
>>>
>>> -- Original message --
>>> From: "Marcus A. Hofmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Paul, that's a very nice shot. Reminds me of a new years eve  
 party a
 while ago, where at 0:00 everyone was busy with their cellphones...

 Btw, how do you do your b/w conversions? Looks good.


 Marcus

 --
 Am 13.03.2008 um 11:39 schrieb Paul Stenquist:

> Is everyone sleeping? I've been overpesoed lately, but since  
> there's
> no activity here, I'll offer another. Had I to shoot this over
> again,
> I'd stop down a wee bit to get the rear figures in focus as well  
> as
> the front. But it's a mildly amusing pic as shot. K20D, DA50-200,
> 50mm, f4, 1/100th, ISO 1600 at the coffee shop:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7050569&size=lg
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Re: PESO - not a snowy egret

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Mat Maessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 08:28:15 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - not a snowy egret
> 
> On 3/26/08, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Lesser Snowy Egret?
> 
> At least it's not a cormorant.

Unless it's got a wetsuit on.


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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 11:45:45 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Francis"
> Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois
> 
> 
> >
> > My 1990 Range Rover expired in 2003, with a warped block.
> > It was going to cost more to fix it than the car would be worth.
> >
> > That was the old aluminium V8, based originally on a Buick design.
> >
> 
> One presumes that the old cast iron design didn't lend itself to being 
> transformed into an 
> aluminium engine. I had a first generation Harley Davidson aluminum block 80 
> CID that was 
> basically a recasting of the old iron block 74 inch shovel head. The engine 
> was junk, which was 
> disappointing, considering how good my 80 inch iron block that I had before 
> it was.

Aluminium head/barrel?  Cast iron generally went out for motorcycle crankcases 
pre WWI.  Although you are talking HD


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Re: One more of Mo

[David J Brooks]

What Bob said.

Opens fine for me Cory.

Good side profile.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Smart looking dog Cory.
>  Sorry to hear he's gone.
>  Regards,  Bob S.
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Cory Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > I don't want to be morbid, posting pictures of my departed pal but I've
>  > been looking all over my computer for this picture that I knew was here
>  > someplace.  I found it on my server drive at work, of all places.
>  > I may have posted this one to the list before, but it would have been a
>  > good long while ago.
>  > http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835_9yqag#270924008_gmiC9-A-LB
>  >
>  > Peace,
>  > Cory
>  >
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Re: K10D (V1.30 firmware) and DA* 16-50/2.8 focus problems

[David J Brooks]

My K10D is in for back focus issues at F 4-F1.8 and should get it back soon.
This is attempt number two.

If its not fixed, i live close enough to Pentax Canada, that i can
drive back with the camera and the lenses i use for low light and
closes ups for them.

Or just give up, use the Nikon or buy a K20D and do my own adjustments.

Dave

Dave

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Antti-Pekka Virjonen
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> Hi Joe (and Cotty too, thanks for the encouraging words :P),
>
>  I did some more testing with my K10D and DA* last evening shooting the
>  brig wall of a nearby building and other subjects near infinity.
>
>  It appears that at 16mm the lens is not focused all the way to infinity
>  but the resulting pictures of remote objects are still as sharp as they
>  can get (well within DOF) even at f2.8. This is my first autofocus wide
>  angle lens (or wide angle zoom) so I don't know how they are supposed to
>  focus with af body. Then later last night I realized I usually do the
>  same with film bodies and SMC 15/3.5 as my K10D now does with the DA*, I
>  set the focus at a suitable point (not at infinity) to get a larger DOF.
>  Some things you do automatically you don't even realize you're doing.
>  Focusing the DA* manually did not give any better results.
>
>  I compared the autofocused 16mm shots with pictures of the same subject
>  at the same distance taken with my manual focus wide angle lenses set at
>  infinity. All I can tell is that the 16mm seems sharper than any of the
>  old primes! Quite a performance from a zoom lens. Ok, I know it is
>  optimized for DSLR but still...
>
>  It seems to take a while getting used to the silent SDM.
>
>
>  Antti-Pekka
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>  
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>  Antti-Pekka Virjonen
>
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> > -Original Message-
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  > Behalf Of Joseph Tainter
>  > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:45 AM
>  > To: pdml@pdml.net
>  > Subject: Re: K10D (V1.30 firmware) and DA* 16-50/2.8 focus problems
>  >
>  > "It seems that my K10D does not focus correctly at infinity but
>  > instead
>  > focuses a lot closer when shooting landscapes for example (front
>  > focus?). This seems to happen more at the wide end (16mm) of the
>  > lens.
>  > Shooting portraits or other subjects in the few meters range the
>  > focus
>  > seems to be right on."
>  >
>  > This is the same problem I have had, and others have had as well.
>  > My
>  > problem shows up with the lens on the K20D at 16 mm. On the K10D at
>  > 16
>  > mm it focuses to infinity correctly.
>  >
>  > I was advised to send both camera and lens to Pentax. You will
>  > probably
>  > need to do the same.
>  >
>  > Joe
>  >
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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  >>  Especially Canadians.
>
>  On 26/3/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>
>  >
>  >Got a problem with that, Cotty?
>
>  Well lets face it, grown men sliding about on frozen water slamming a
>  bar of soap about with sticks, I mean come on

How do you think our Mom's got us to use that soap.:-)

Dave
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Re: Stupid frustrations!

[mike wilson]

They have sunk to the level of box-shifters.  No (I'll repeat that; _no_) 
secondhand equipment, many new bodies and lenses in the popular sizes only and 
lots of taradiddles like bags, memory cards and storage media.  Nothing 
whatsoever that requires some mechanical aptitude or ability to use one's 
intellect.
> 
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 04:00:50 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Stupid frustrations!
> 
> I f ind it amazing that they carry electronics that are really nothing 
> special, like the afore mentioned DVDs yet little or nothing in the 
> photographic gadget range, and yet profess to be photography stores.  It 
> puts me in mind of the time a couple of years ago, I had taken on a copy 
> project and needed an extension PC cord, nothing special, just a simple 
> cord between 15 to 20 feet with a mail PC socket on one end and a female 
> on the other.  Everyplace had either a very expensive dedicated cord in 
> the $50+ dollar range or nothing.  I'd even have bought the expensive 
> damned cord except it had proprietary connectors on it.  I lucked out 
> when I found it in a $2 junk bin.
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: 2008/03/25 Tue PM 06:58:13 GMT
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> Subject: Stupid frustrations!
> >>
> >> Stupid frustrations.  So I have a couple of cameras that don't have 
> >> flash shoes.  I'm looking for an old fashioned L flash bracket, folding 
> >> if  possible.  Not a single local store carries one.  I really would 
> >> rather spend $20+ tax rather than $15+ $6 shipping.  Just because.  But 
> >> not a single one of the worthless more or less local camera stores 
> >> around here carries or even professes to know of such a thing.  No 
> >> wonder they're rapidly going out of business. 
> >> 
> >
> > Local representative of a major chain has well over 10 versions of 
> > writeable DVD but not one way of cleaning a sensor.  I'm not even going to 
> > look in the window any more.
> >
> >
> > -
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> >
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Re: Colors and Spaces and Browsers

[David Mann]

On Mar 26, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Marcus A. Hofmann wrote:

>
> sRGB, Adobe RGB and ProPhoto RGB Jpegs exported from LR will all look
> identical in Safari 3.1 on OS X 10.5. They all look exactly like the
> original looks in LR. But they all look different from each other in
> Firefox, and in FF also look different from the original in LR.

Safari is the only browser that supports colour management. IE on the  
Mac (and ONLY on the Mac) supported it via an option that was turned  
off by default, but that browser is long gone.

To cut a long story short, do your editing in whatever colour space  
you choose then convert to sRGB when saving for web use.  Leaving the  
profile info embedded in the file is optional.  It makes very little  
difference to the file size so I always leave it in for the benefit of  
Safari users.

- Dave

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Re: online storage?

[David Mann]

On Mar 27, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> If I need to get out of a burning apartment, I can
> grab and go with one of my external drives in less than 1 second to
> free it from the computer.

If my house burns down it'll do so whether I'm at home or not.  The  
data I don't want to lose gets archived to two copies on DVD.  One set  
is kept at an offsite location, the other is kept in the house for  
convenience in case I make a stupid mistake.  Both sets are written to  
good-quality discs and stored in airtight containers with a couple of  
those little silica gel bags thrown in.

The scale of cataclysm that causes the simultaneous loss of both will  
probably have me worrying about far more important things.

- Dave


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RE: K10D (V1.30 firmware) and DA* 16-50/2.8 focus problems

[Antti-Pekka Virjonen]

Hi Joe (and Cotty too, thanks for the encouraging words :P),

I did some more testing with my K10D and DA* last evening shooting the
brig wall of a nearby building and other subjects near infinity.

It appears that at 16mm the lens is not focused all the way to infinity
but the resulting pictures of remote objects are still as sharp as they
can get (well within DOF) even at f2.8. This is my first autofocus wide
angle lens (or wide angle zoom) so I don't know how they are supposed to
focus with af body. Then later last night I realized I usually do the
same with film bodies and SMC 15/3.5 as my K10D now does with the DA*, I
set the focus at a suitable point (not at infinity) to get a larger DOF.
Some things you do automatically you don't even realize you're doing.
Focusing the DA* manually did not give any better results.

I compared the autofocused 16mm shots with pictures of the same subject
at the same distance taken with my manual focus wide angle lenses set at
infinity. All I can tell is that the 16mm seems sharper than any of the
old primes! Quite a performance from a zoom lens. Ok, I know it is
optimized for DSLR but still...

It seems to take a while getting used to the silent SDM.

Antti-Pekka



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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Joseph Tainter
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:45 AM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: K10D (V1.30 firmware) and DA* 16-50/2.8 focus problems
> 
> "It seems that my K10D does not focus correctly at infinity but
> instead
> focuses a lot closer when shooting landscapes for example (front
> focus?). This seems to happen more at the wide end (16mm) of the
> lens.
> Shooting portraits or other subjects in the few meters range the
> focus
> seems to be right on."
> 
> This is the same problem I have had, and others have had as well.
> My
> problem shows up with the lens on the K20D at 16 mm. On the K10D at
> 16
> mm it focuses to infinity correctly.
> 
> I was advised to send both camera and lens to Pentax. You will
> probably
> need to do the same.
> 
> Joe
> 
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