Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[AlunFoto]

2008/6/12 mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hmmm.  I've got a shot from our trip to Duxford.  Front half of a P38 fighter 
> plane,
> with the pilot looking out of the cockpit towards me.
> Zooming in, you can see the whole wing reflected in one lens of
> his mirror sunglasses.  Maybe you need to take this example back. 8-)

No way, mate. :-)

I remember that shot, btw.

My point was that it doesn't produce anywhere near the resolution of,
say, a FA* 300/2.8 (which I played with at Duxford). But it still
gives a good impression of sharpness because of its contrast
rendering. IOW, it's a damn fine portrait lens. :-)

Jostein

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RE: London gangsters

[Bob W]

> 
> > I have no idea where these pictures have come from, but they are
> > amazing - some of London's nastiest gangsters from the last 
> 40+ years
> > 
>
http://freakymartin.com/2007/12/14/gangsters-from-london-east-end-36-p
> > hotos/
> >
> > Bob
> 
> holy cow, is this Bob Walkden?
> 
> http://freakymartin.com/nitro/fishki/47623a6f6bbacthefirm_006.jpg
> 
> you've been holding out on us, you bad boy you.
> 

Oy, Yank! Shut it!

This is how London gangsters talk (from the best British film ever
made):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081070/quotes

Ronnie (or is it Reggie?)


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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

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2008/6/12 Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> That's a very good shot.

Very kind of you, Bob.

My own summary is: Technically satisfactory, and an interesting
moment, but compositionally awkward.
Maybe my ambitions are too high, but I can't help comparing my results
to those of my friends in BioFoto. Have a look at the gallery here:
http://www.biofoto.no/galleri.asp or take a look at these:

Kjell Germeten (you may remember the pooping cormorant...)
http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bruker/dittnavn/layout1/show_kategori_index.cgi?serieid=0&brukerid=11211

Roy Mangersnes
http://www.wildphoto.no/eng/gal/frame.htm

Kai Jensen
http://villmarksbilder.com/fugl.asp?rammefarge=62615F

Ketil Knudsen
http://www.ketilknudsen.com/galleries.php?mi=1

Carsten Arnholm
http://home.online.no/~carnholm/v/Thumbnails.html

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

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2008/6/12 Christine  Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Jostein:  "I like the interaction between the birds":  Bit of an
> understatement here, don't you think!  The interaction is fantastic. I can
> just imagine the bubble text!  Jostein, I think you caught the ornithologic
> decisive moment ;-)  Cheers, Christine

LOL thanks Christine,

I took about 50 shots last night. This one was the last one before the
batteries ran out of juice, so it was a lucky catch in that way... :-)

The site is a fantastic place to practice bird photography. A highly
productive lake in the middle of an Oslo suburb, protected as a
freshwater nature reserve, and with its own passionate fan-club:
http://www.ostensjovannet.no/ (norwegian only...).

The stationary birds there are accustomed to human presence, and have
a soothing effect on the passing migratory species in spring and
autumn as well.

If you just knew the general quality of photos produced at this site,
you'd know that mine would barely pass as "acceptable". :-)

But it's a nice start for a lens ownership, I think! :-)

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

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2008/6/12 frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> You're joking, right?  I mean, I know there's all those jokes about me
> and blur, but this lens seems to me to be sharp as hell!

Sharp, certainly. Amount of resolved detail is not possible to judge
from a web image anyway. You'd have to take my word for that.

> Whatever, it's a terrific shot, and the lens seems to have done an
> amazing job of grabbing it.

Thanks for leaving the photographer out of the equation... LOL.

I've forgotten the name of the photographer credited with the quote
"You have to push the button"... :-)

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

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Thanks Dave

Jostein

2008/6/13 David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I like the natural look of the phot, wood perche etc.
>
> Good framimg and very clean shot
>
> Back ground is very good
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:17 PM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/displayimage.php?pos=-95
>>
>> Practicing with the FA* 600/4.
>> I like the interaction between the birds, though it's not a very good shot.
>> I suppose I could crop a bit to the left and clone out the rest of the
>> twig, but part of the point here is to show it full-frame.
>>
>> The most important lessons from today were:
>>
>> 1. The AF is surprisingly fast and accurate. An awesome step up from
>> the FA* 400/5.6 that I've been used to.
>> 2. Never EVER leave home again with only one half-charged battery in the 
>> camera.
>> 3. The AOV from this lens corresponds roughly to what my thumbnail can
>> cover at arm's length.
>> 4. The amount of detail resolved by this lens is not veeery
>> impressing, but it kinda makes up for it in contrast.
>>
>>
>> Jostein
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Re: PESO Another aquatic bird

[AlunFoto]

LOL

And she's a real beauty too, isn't she?

Reminds me of the work of a Norwegian artist Heidi Wexelsen Goksøyr:
http://www.heidiwexelsengoksoyr.no/dreamweaver/under_overflaten1/under_overflaten_engelsk.html

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2008/6/12 mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Could have done with the 600/4 on sunday when I went Puffining on the Farne 
> Islands.  Nothing processed from there yet, so you will have to make do with 
> this beauty I found in Cyprus last month.
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/58/extra/new/display/13192536
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RE: GESO: Anne

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> 
> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/12 Thu PM 09:06:26 GMT
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: GESO: Anne
> 
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > http://avline.abacusline.co.uk/pictures/jpeg/pics/mona.jpg
> > 
> > I'm also looking at that horrible line sticking up from her head.
> > That doesn't look like a camera issue, but you could Photoshop (tm)
> > that out, you know...
> > 
> > cheers,
> > frank
> 
> not my picture, man. If it was I'd have given her big, blonde hair,
> more cleavage and a raunchier smile. A bit more like Pammy, know what
> I mean?

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Re: PESO Another aquatic bird

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> 
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/12 Thu PM 10:40:15 GMT
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> Subject: Re: PESO Another aquatic bird
> 
> Did Styxx have a cover shot like that once.??
> 
> 
> Dave

Aaaarrrgg!  Found out!  It's actually my homage to Weird Al.
http://www.amazon.com/Off-Deep-End-Weird-Yankovic/dp/B0I01H

> 
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:40 PM, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Could have done with the 600/4 on sunday when I went Puffining on the Farne 
> > Islands.  Nothing processed from there yet, so you will have to make do 
> > with this beauty I found in Cyprus last month.
> >
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RE: London gangsters

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> 
> From: Anthony Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri AM 12:42:06 GMT
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> 
> That's a beautiful collection, sublimely artistic and ugly at the same time.
> Who (or what) do you have to know to get on the inside for an assignment
> like that? 
> 
> Regards
> Anthony Farr

Personally, I'm happy to be at the other end of the country from them.  Being 
in the same room with a camera would be a nightmare akin to being chased naked 
down the high street by giant, man-eating tarantulas.

> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Subject: London gangsters
> > 
> > I have no idea where these pictures have come from, but they are
> > amazing - some of London's nastiest gangsters from the last 40+ years
> > http://freakymartin.com/2007/12/14/gangsters-from-london-east-end-36-p
> > hotos/
> > 
> > Bob
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Re: London gangsters

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> 
> From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri AM 01:37:45 GMT
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> On Jun 12, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Bob W wrote:
> 
> > I have no idea where these pictures have come from, but they are
> > amazing - some of London's nastiest gangsters from the last 40+ years
> > http://freakymartin.com/2007/12/14/gangsters-from-london-east-end-36-p
> > hotos/
> >
> > Bob
> 
> holy cow, is this Bob Walkden?
> 
> http://freakymartin.com/nitro/fishki/47623a6f6bbacthefirm_006.jpg
> 
> you've been holding out on us, you bad boy you.

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OT - eBay knocked down a peg

[Anthony Farr]

Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself.  Three
cheers for a free market.

http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

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> 
> From: AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri AM 07:06:50 GMT
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> 
> 2008/6/12 mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hmmm.  I've got a shot from our trip to Duxford.  Front half of a P38 
> > fighter plane,
> > with the pilot looking out of the cockpit towards me.
> > Zooming in, you can see the whole wing reflected in one lens of
> > his mirror sunglasses.  Maybe you need to take this example back. 8-)
> 
> No way, mate. :-)
> 
> I remember that shot, btw.
> 
> My point was that it doesn't produce anywhere near the resolution of,
> say, a FA* 300/2.8 (which I played with at Duxford). But it still
> gives a good impression of sharpness because of its contrast
> rendering. IOW, it's a damn fine portrait lens. :-)

That's lucky, then. 8-)


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RE: London gangsters

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That's my feeling, too.  No matter how co-operative the crims seemed when
they consented to be photographed, you'd worry about second thoughts they'd
have just after you'd captured them monstering somebody with an Uzi.

Regards,
Anthony Farr

> -Original Message-
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> Personally, I'm happy to be at the other end of the country from them.
Being in the
> same room with a camera would be a nightmare akin to being chased naked
down
> the high street by giant, man-eating tarantulas.
> 
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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

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> 
> From: AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri AM 07:22:17 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Black-headed gull
> 
> 2008/6/12 Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > That's a very good shot.
> 
> Very kind of you, Bob.
> 
> My own summary is: Technically satisfactory, and an interesting
> moment, but compositionally awkward.
> Maybe my ambitions are too high, but I can't help comparing my results
> to those of my friends in BioFoto. Have a look at the gallery here:
> http://www.biofoto.no/galleri.asp or take a look at these:

I disagree with you.  Your picture is more compositionally complicated, not 
awkward.  The first page of that gallery exemplifies what I have thought for a 
while now; that graphically dramatic and simple shots are what people are 
attracted to these days.  Almost without exception, those pictures look as good 
in the thumbnail as they do at "full size", so there is not really much point 
in looking at them.  I find myself, more and more, clicking on thumbnails which 
do not allow me to work out what the bigger picture [8-)] is.


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Re: PESO Another aquatic bird

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Thanks to viewers; double thanks to responders.

The grin on her face was as a direct result of realising she had a pool 
available 24/7.  She even slept like that.  We were there for a 
brother-in-law's wedding, for which I was sub. photographer as well as honoured 
guest.  If you must, there are some pictures here 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cbemwedding/sets/72157605224890116/ mostly family 
groups that would have cost the earth to buy from the pro.  The only one I am 
quite proud of is this 
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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

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2008/6/13 mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I disagree with you.  Your picture is more compositionally complicated, not 
> awkward.
> The first page of that gallery exemplifies what I have thought for a while 
> now;
> that graphically dramatic and simple shots are what people are attracted to 
> these days.
> Almost without exception, those pictures look as good in the thumbnail as 
> they do at
> "full size", so there is not really much point in looking at them.  I find 
> myself, more
> and more, clicking on thumbnails which do not allow me to work out what the 
> bigger
> picture [8-)] is.

I agree with you that some parts of nature photography has an uncanny
tendency to oversimplification.
I think this happens because the species portraiture genre is
dominated by people whose prime interest lies with the subject rather
than with photography. Ornithologists/birdwatchers, entomologists,
botanists, and so on. But take a look at this pic, for example:
http://www.biofoto.no/galleri.asp?mode=view&pic=ensen

There are _some_ who manage to take technical excellence to extreme
without sacrificing compositional qualities. That's the direction I'm
looking. If I get there I'd be happy, but it's a fair stretch to go.

I remember buying a book by Frans Lanting called "Eye to eye" a while
back. A large, coffe-table thing devoted in its entirety to animal
portraiture. It got boring after the first 30 pages, even with his
talent behind the camera. However, species portraits are by default a
part of any nature photographer's portefolio... :-)


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Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg

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I can see why they would want a Paypal only for the extra fees, but if
a seller wants to accept cheques and MO's thats should be his or her
choice.

Big business, arg

Dave

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Re: Peso First Rose

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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We bought our house in Dec 1983, and it came with some plants
>> and vines.
>>
>> The two climbing rose bushes in the front(south side) of the house
> are
>> much older than our 25 years here.
>>
>> We cut them down, they still grow.:-)
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7401053
>>
>
> Agent Orange is your friend.

Prefer agent 99

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Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:10:53 +1000, "Anthony Farr"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself.  Three
> cheers for a free market.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy
> 
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/
> 13/1213321602934.html



Even so, EBay Aust now does (and will probably continue to) insist that
PayPal be included as a payment option by sellers.  Some buyers will
probably use it regardless of whether the buyer likes it or not, given
that PayPal is always the first payment option listed on EBay checkout.


Cheers

Brian

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RE: PESO Another aquatic bird

[Anthony Farr]

Priceless.

> -Original Message-
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> 
> Could have done with the 600/4 on sunday when I went Puffining on the
Farne
> Islands.  Nothing processed from there yet, so you will have to make do
with this
> beauty I found in Cyprus last month.
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/58/extra/new/display/13192536
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Re: Peso First Rose

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri AM 10:58:02 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: Peso First Rose
> 
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> We bought our house in Dec 1983, and it came with some plants
> >> and vines.
> >>
> >> The two climbing rose bushes in the front(south side) of the house
> > are
> >> much older than our 25 years here.
> >>
> >> We cut them down, they still grow.:-)
> >>
> >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7401053
> >>
> >
> > Agent Orange is your friend.
> 
> Prefer agent 99

That way lies KAOS.


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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent. A great bird moment and superb detail.
Paul
On Jun 12, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Bob W wrote:

> That's a very good shot.
>
> Bob
>
>> -Original Message-
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>>
>> http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/displayimage.php?pos=-95
>>
>> Practicing with the FA* 600/4.
>> I like the interaction between the birds, though it's not a
>> very good shot.
>> I suppose I could crop a bit to the left and clone out the rest of
> the
>> twig, but part of the point here is to show it full-frame.
>>
>> The most important lessons from today were:
>>
>> 1. The AF is surprisingly fast and accurate. An awesome step up from
>> the FA* 400/5.6 that I've been used to.
>> 2. Never EVER leave home again with only one half-charged
>> battery in the camera.
>> 3. The AOV from this lens corresponds roughly to what my thumbnail
> can
>> cover at arm's length.
>> 4. The amount of detail resolved by this lens is not veeery
>> impressing, but it kinda makes up for it in contrast.
>>
>>
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Re: PESO Another aquatic bird

[Christian]

mike wilson wrote:
> Could have done with the 600/4 on sunday when I went Puffining on the Farne 
> Islands.  Nothing processed from there yet, so you will have to make do with 
> this beauty I found in Cyprus last month.
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/58/extra/new/display/13192536
> 

Um, mike, that's not a bird...

cute shot.

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Re: PESO Another aquatic bird

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri PM 12:32:32 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: PESO Another aquatic bird
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> > Could have done with the 600/4 on sunday when I went Puffining on the Farne 
> > Islands.  Nothing processed from there yet, so you will have to make do 
> > with this beauty I found in Cyprus last month.
> > 
> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/58/extra/new/display/13192536
> > 
> 
> Um, mike, that's not a bird...
> 
> cute shot.
> 
> Christian

Thanks. "Bird" is vulgar vernacular English for a female of the human species.  
Apparently, men call women "birds" because they often pick up worms...


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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri AM 10:02:55 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Black-headed gull
> 
> 2008/6/13 mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I disagree with you.  Your picture is more compositionally complicated, not 
> > awkward.
> > The first page of that gallery exemplifies what I have thought for a while 
> > now;
> > that graphically dramatic and simple shots are what people are attracted to 
> > these days.
> > Almost without exception, those pictures look as good in the thumbnail as 
> > they do at
> > "full size", so there is not really much point in looking at them.  I find 
> > myself, more
> > and more, clicking on thumbnails which do not allow me to work out what the 
> > bigger
> > picture [8-)] is.
> 
> I agree with you that some parts of nature photography has an uncanny
> tendency to oversimplification.
> I think this happens because the species portraiture genre is
> dominated by people whose prime interest lies with the subject rather
> than with photography. Ornithologists/birdwatchers, entomologists,
> botanists, and so on. But take a look at this pic, for example:
> http://www.biofoto.no/galleri.asp?mode=view&pic=ensen
> 
> There are _some_ who manage to take technical excellence to extreme
> without sacrificing compositional qualities. That's the direction I'm
> looking. If I get there I'd be happy, but it's a fair stretch to go.
> 
> I remember buying a book by Frans Lanting called "Eye to eye" a while
> back. A large, coffe-table thing devoted in its entirety to animal
> portraiture. It got boring after the first 30 pages, even with his
> talent behind the camera. However, species portraits are by default a
> part of any nature photographer's portefolio... :-)

Now I agree with you.


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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[Christian]

AlunFoto wrote:
> 2008/6/12 Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> That's a very good shot.
> 
> Very kind of you, Bob.
> 
> My own summary is: Technically satisfactory, and an interesting
> moment, but compositionally awkward.
> Maybe my ambitions are too high, but I can't help comparing my results
> to those of my friends in BioFoto. Have a look at the gallery here:
> http://www.biofoto.no/galleri.asp 

It's hard to not compare yourself to friends or others in the field. 
But...  It's actually a nice shot.  Yes, maybe a little messy on the 
left, but the interaction between the birds and the birds and their 
environment make it an interesting shot.  The color and light is great 
and with the web-sized image, detail seems fine.

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Re: PESO Another aquatic bird

[Christian]

mike wilson wrote:
>> From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri PM 12:32:32 GMT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Re: PESO Another aquatic bird
>>
>> mike wilson wrote:
>>> Could have done with the 600/4 on sunday when I went Puffining on the Farne 
>>> Islands.  Nothing processed from there yet, so you will have to make do 
>>> with this beauty I found in Cyprus last month.
>>>
>>> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/58/extra/new/display/13192536
>>>
>> Um, mike, that's not a bird...
>>
>> cute shot.
>>
>> Christian
> 
> Thanks. "Bird" is vulgar vernacular English for a female of the human 
> species.  Apparently, men call women "birds" because they often pick up 
> worms...

A...  My wife is 'stralian I use "Sheila" just to watch the reaction.

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Re: PESO: Kimberly

[P. J. Alling]

Shouldn't that be the neighbors line...

Cotty wrote:
> On 12/6/08, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>> Seeing your work makes me want to try my hand on a neighbor.
>> 
>
> Bob, just say no.
>
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Re: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test

[P. J. Alling]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   
>> I think he inadvertently summed it up with this: "The Leica M3 of the
>> 1950's was an instant success, not because Leica held to quaint design
>> and outdated technology (i.e. the M8's removable bottom plate) in a
>> misplaced effort to attract classicists, but because they used new
>> technology to build a camera that was on the cutting edge of its time."
>>
>> Leica isn't building cameras for him, the real photojournalist, but for
>> "classicists", the kind of Leicaphiles who now constitute the majority
>> of their customer base.
>>
>> 
> http://web.mac.com/kamberm/Leica_M8_Field_Test,_Iraq
>   
>
> I thought exactly the same as you.  It's amazing that one can buy
> virtually any consumer/entry-level dslr that outperforms the Leica at
> 1/20th the price.
>
> It's moot anyway, but when I'm ready to go digital rangefinder, I
> guess it'll be an Epson.  Or does Voigtlander have theirs out yet?  I
> haven't been paying attention...
>
> Pity that Leica has fallen so far so quickly.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>   
Unfortunately, the Epson is the Voightlander, and more unfortunate is 
that Epson doesn't seem in any hurry to produce a follow on product and 
just to make this sentence more unwieldy, one of the problems of the 
Epson/Voightlander is the lack of good wide angle lenses, due to the 
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Re: June PUG is up!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks for you kind comment, Rebekah.

Dan M

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Scott, for all your hard work getting the Pug up each month.  I
> really enjoy it :)
>
> This month's PUG was great, what a lovely bunch of submissions!  My
> personal favorite is 'Shadows Along the Fence".
>
> rg2
>
> On 6/10/08, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Scott Loveless wrote:
>> > Finally.  Sorry I'm so late on this one.  I'll try to make it up to all
>> > of you.  See it here:  http://pug.komkon.org/
>> >
>> > July's theme is "Sports and Action".  Submit photos here:
>> > http://pdmlpug.org/?p=35
>> >
>> I think "11 Years" and "Cora's Cafe" are my favorites this time, though
>> it's not hard at all to enjoy the lot of them.  FWIW, 8 of the 18 photos
>> submitted were shot on film, probably due to the nature of the theme.  I
>> believe that's the highest percentage we've had in quite some time.  Not
>> that it matters, it's just something I take note of every month.
>>
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Re: June PUG is up!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Another fine job, Scott.  Thanks again for all your efforts on behalf of us all!

Dan M

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Re: June PUG is up!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I agree with Ann's comments.  It is a super gallery, but we have to
find some way to get more of the phine photographers on the list to
participate and to submit entries to the gallery.

My personal favorites are "Ice Flower" by Kenneth Waller and "Cape
Conran in '97" by Brian Walters.  Excellent work all around.

Dan M

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:11 PM, ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> really a super gallery all around - too bad there were not more.

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Re: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test

[Adam Maas]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:22 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>
>>> I think he inadvertently summed it up with this: "The Leica M3 of the
>>> 1950's was an instant success, not because Leica held to quaint design
>>> and outdated technology (i.e. the M8's removable bottom plate) in a
>>> misplaced effort to attract classicists, but because they used new
>>> technology to build a camera that was on the cutting edge of its time."
>>>
>>> Leica isn't building cameras for him, the real photojournalist, but for
>>> "classicists", the kind of Leicaphiles who now constitute the majority
>>> of their customer base.
>>>
>>>
>> http://web.mac.com/kamberm/Leica_M8_Field_Test,_Iraq
>>
>>
>> I thought exactly the same as you.  It's amazing that one can buy
>> virtually any consumer/entry-level dslr that outperforms the Leica at
>> 1/20th the price.
>>
>> It's moot anyway, but when I'm ready to go digital rangefinder, I
>> guess it'll be an Epson.  Or does Voigtlander have theirs out yet?  I
>> haven't been paying attention...
>>
>> Pity that Leica has fallen so far so quickly.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
> Unfortunately, the Epson is the Voightlander, and more unfortunate is
> that Epson doesn't seem in any hurry to produce a follow on product and
> just to make this sentence more unwieldy, one of the problems of the
> Epson/Voightlander is the lack of good wide angle lenses, due to the
> crop factor.
>

Epson was using Voightlander/Cosina bodies, but it wasn't a
Voightlander project. Rumour does have it that a Zeiss Ikon-based DRF
is under development, and there's also persistent strong rumours that
Nikon has a DRF project as well in either M or Nikon S mount.

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[Bob Sullivan]

Jostien,
How long have you had that lens back in Norway?  2 weeks?
I've seen your work before, and it's top flight.
Stop worrying that your new gear hasn't made you world class... yet.
Give it some time!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:22 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/12 Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> That's a very good shot.
>
> Very kind of you, Bob.
>
> My own summary is: Technically satisfactory, and an interesting
> moment, but compositionally awkward.
> Maybe my ambitions are too high, but I can't help comparing my results
> to those of my friends in BioFoto. Have a look at the gallery here:
> http://www.biofoto.no/galleri.asp or take a look at these:
>
> Kjell Germeten (you may remember the pooping cormorant...)
> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bruker/dittnavn/layout1/show_kategori_index.cgi?serieid=0&brukerid=11211
>
> Roy Mangersnes
> http://www.wildphoto.no/eng/gal/frame.htm
>
> Kai Jensen
> http://villmarksbilder.com/fugl.asp?rammefarge=62615F
>
> Ketil Knudsen
> http://www.ketilknudsen.com/galleries.php?mi=1
>
> Carsten Arnholm
> http://home.online.no/~carnholm/v/Thumbnails.html
>
> Jostein
>
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Re: Shooting plan

[P. J. Alling]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've booked a week's holiday in Fez for Sept/Oct, just at the end of
>> Ramadan and in time for Eid al-Fitr. I had hoped to go for longer, and
>> to get there on the train, but I can't spare more than a week so I'm
>> flying there (I've paid extra to offset the CO2!).
>>
>> Anyway, I'm starting to make notes about what I'd like to photograph
>> while I'm there, and I wondered if other people do the same, or am I
>> just some sad no-life?
>>
>> When you go on a photo trip do you just wander around and leave the
>> photos to the will of Allah, or do you deliberately put yourself into
>> likely-looking situations?
>>
>> I normally put together a loose list of the type of shot I'd like, and
>> the places to go where I think it's likely, but I make sure I can
>> extemporise. So I don't usually get exactly what I wanted, but I do
>> tend to get good stuff. For instance, in Romania I wanted funerals,
>> and gypsy music. In the town where I expected to get good shots of
>> funerals, I got nothing. But in the village where I expected gypsy
>> music, I got a great funeral.
>>
>> At the moment I'm looking through the Magnum website for inspiration
>> and ideas. I have been to Morocco a few times before, although not to
>> Fez, so I know it's difficult to photograph there, probably more so
>> during Ramadan, but I'm quite excited about it.
>>
>> 
>
> Make sure you buy one of those funny hats.  My sister was there and
> bought me one.  Yes, I have a fez from Fez.  I've never actually worn
> it outside the house, but I'm thinking it might come in handy one day
> for a Hallowe'en costume or something.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>   
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PESO - Three's a Crowd

[frank theriault]

Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:

http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg

Comments always welcome.

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Re: Shooting plan

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd be careful, someone might mistake you for a Shriner...

Actually, that's the costume I'm thinking of using it for.  I'm
looking for a tiny car right now...

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Three's a Crowd

[Bob Sullivan]

Frank,
The guys behind the signs bother me.
Seems to be 5 live people in the picture.
The middle woman and the poster behind her are an interesting interaction.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz
>
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg
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Re: Shooting plan

[Bob Sullivan]

For you Frank, no car.  Try a bike.  Regards, Bob S.

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> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> I'd be careful, someone might mistake you for a Shriner...
>
> Actually, that's the costume I'm thinking of using it for.  I'm
> looking for a tiny car right now...
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Re: Shooting plan

[Jack Davis]

Wow, Frank. The guy on the far left, the poster, the demeanor contrast between 
the two women..terrific!
Think I'd clone the face fragment, barely visible between the post and sign, 
just enough to confuse identity. Distracting, if noticed at all.

Jack


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> > I'd be careful, someone might mistake you for a
> Shriner...
> 
> Actually, that's the costume I'm thinking of using
> it for.  I'm
> looking for a tiny car right now...
> 
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Re: Phone Sex

[P. J. Alling]

There was magic?

Fernando wrote:
> No, I'm not promoting my new business. I found this project with
> portraits of phone sex operators:
> http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/galleries/phone_sex_operators/
>
>
> WARNING: If you are into phone sex you may want to skip this one, it
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Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg

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Quote:
> "Australians should be questioning whether eBay is really looking 
> after their best interests,"
Of course e-bay isn't looking out for their best interests, it's looking 
out for it's own.  If it servers the best interests of anyone else it's 
good if not bad and e-bay will lose market share.  Changes that have 
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David J Brooks wrote:
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> a seller wants to accept cheques and MO's thats should be his or her
> choice.
>
> Big business, arg
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Anthony Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself.  Three
>> cheers for a free market.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy
>>
>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/
>> 13/1213321602934.html
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Re: Peso First Rose

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mike wilson wrote:
>> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri AM 10:58:02 GMT
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: Re: Peso First Rose
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
 We bought our house in Dec 1983, and it came with some plants
 and vines.

 The two climbing rose bushes in the front(south side) of the house
 
>>> are
>>>   
 much older than our 25 years here.

 We cut them down, they still grow.:-)

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7401053

 
>>> Agent Orange is your friend.
>>>   
>> Prefer agent 99
>> 
>
> That way lies KAOS.
>   
but it will all soon be under CONTROL...
(obvious but somebody had to do it).
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Re: Shooting plan

[P. J. Alling]

Your "cool" factor will forever after become "0"...

frank theriault wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I'd be careful, someone might mistake you for a Shriner...
>> 
>
> Actually, that's the costume I'm thinking of using it for.  I'm
> looking for a tiny car right now...
>
> cheers,
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Re: Phone Sex

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:15 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There was magic?

Not any more.

Funny, last time I called she assured me she was...

No, actually, I didn't mean that.  I've never called.  Ever.

And if Crystal says I called she's lying.

;-)

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Re: Phone Sex

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, I'm not promoting my new business. I found this project with
> portraits of phone sex operators:
> http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/galleries/phone_sex_operators/
>
>
> WARNING: If you are into phone sex you may want to skip this one, it
> might spoil the magic...
>

Very interesting series!  Thanks for posting.

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Re: Shooting plan

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:31 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Your "cool" factor will forever after become "0"...

Something to aspire to.

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Re: PESO - Three's a Crowd

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 13, 2008, at 7:00 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz
>
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg

Now that's a great shot! Excellent work, frank! So much to look at. :-)

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Re: PESO - Three's a Crowd

[Christian]

frank theriault wrote:
> Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz
> 
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg
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> Comments always welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 

great use of depth of field.  Nicely seen and captured... as usual.

Christian

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Re: PESO - Three's a Crowd

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frank theriault wrote:
> Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz
> 
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg

Wow! One of your best shots ever! Really cool.

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Re: Peso First Rose

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> but it will all soon be under CONTROL...
> (obvious but somebody had to do it).

Sorry about that, Chief...

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Re: PESO - Three's a Crowd

[Christine Aguila]

Frank:  It's a winner!  Another great one!!!  Cheers, Christine


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> Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz
>
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg
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Re: Shooting plan

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
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>
> Anyway, I'm starting to make notes about what I'd like to photograph
> while I'm there, and I wondered if other people do the same, or am I
> just some sad no-life?
>
> When you go on a photo trip do you just wander around and leave the
> photos to the will of Allah, or do you deliberately put yourself into
> likely-looking situations?


I've read quite a few articles on travel photography:  Taking notes and 
researching the destination are usually included as things to do before the 
trip.  It's also suggested to google the destination & look at photos 
already taken to help get a sense of the place.  I imagine most photogs do a 
little of both--planning & wandering.

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[AlunFoto]

:-)
Thanks Bob. Your encouragement is much appreciated.
However reaching world class in this photographic segment requires
some sacrifices that I am not willing to make. Such as spending tons
of time in a hide, for example. I feel the itch down my ischias nerve
at the mere thought of it.

Besides, it was more of an effort to adjust the viewer's expectations,
not mine. There's something about this lens that gives very
aesthetically pleasing images if only the focus is right. The optical
properties of this lens gives every shot a sense of rarity. I was just
trying to encourage the audience not to be fooled by it. When I look
through my catch, I easily fall in the same trap myself... :-)

Jostein


/13 Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Jostien,
> How long have you had that lens back in Norway?  2 weeks?
> I've seen your work before, and it's top flight.
> Stop worrying that your new gear hasn't made you world class... yet.
> Give it some time!
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:22 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2008/6/12 Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> That's a very good shot.
>>
>> Very kind of you, Bob.
>>
>> My own summary is: Technically satisfactory, and an interesting
>> moment, but compositionally awkward.
>> Maybe my ambitions are too high, but I can't help comparing my results
>> to those of my friends in BioFoto. Have a look at the gallery here:
>> http://www.biofoto.no/galleri.asp or take a look at these:
>>
>> Kjell Germeten (you may remember the pooping cormorant...)
>> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bruker/dittnavn/layout1/show_kategori_index.cgi?serieid=0&brukerid=11211
>>
>> Roy Mangersnes
>> http://www.wildphoto.no/eng/gal/frame.htm
>>
>> Kai Jensen
>> http://villmarksbilder.com/fugl.asp?rammefarge=62615F
>>
>> Ketil Knudsen
>> http://www.ketilknudsen.com/galleries.php?mi=1
>>
>> Carsten Arnholm
>> http://home.online.no/~carnholm/v/Thumbnails.html
>>
>> Jostein
>>
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PESO: Suburban Star Gazing

[David Savage]

G'day All,

One from this evening/morning (~65kb)



K20D, DA 10-17mm FE @ 11mm, 225 seconds @ f4, ISO 100.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:33 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Thanks for leaving the photographer out of the equation... LOL.
>
> I've forgotten the name of the photographer credited with the quote
> "You have to push the button"... :-)

Sorry Jostein.  Really.

I meant that you took the photo, but the lens allowed you to catch
what you wanted.  I have to admit, it didn't exactly come out that
way. 

I believe you likely did have something to do with the photo!  ;-)

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RE: Shooting plan

[John Poirier]

Hi Bob

I rarely use shooting lists, not for my current type of work.  I've noted
that it's something stock photographers do regularly, though.

What got me out of my lurker's cave was your comment about "looking through
the Magnum web site for inspiration and ideas".  Looking at good work makes
a lot of sense, of course, for improving your skills any sort of
photography.  I do it all the time.

It did remind me of something that has bemused me of late.  This is the
question of visual plagiarism.

I have a very good visual memory.  I've looked at several exhibits at a
local gallery recently that contained significant numbers of prints for
which my first reaction was that I had seen the image before.  In some cases
I was even able to remember whos idea was being used.  Cartier Bresson and
Arnold Newman came to mind.

Over the last ten years I've increasingly had a sense of "sameness" about
images in mainstream photo publications. I find them quite repetitive,
essentially reworkings of previously published material. I also find it
increasingly difficult to distinguish editorial photos from the images used
to promote equipment, which are generally visually arresting but not
necessarily profound.

BTW, my use of the term "visual plagiarism" refers to rather obvious
reworking of others' ideas rather than direct copying.

Is genuine originality disappearing from the photographic mainstream?

What are the groups thoughts on this?

Cheers

John Poirier






> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Bob W
> Sent: June 12, 2008 1:49 PM
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> Subject: Shooting plan
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've booked a week's holiday in Fez for Sept/Oct, just at the end of
> Ramadan and in time for Eid al-Fitr. I had hoped to go for longer, and
> to get there on the train, but I can't spare more than a week so I'm
> flying there (I've paid extra to offset the CO2!).
>
> Anyway, I'm starting to make notes about what I'd like to photograph
> while I'm there, and I wondered if other people do the same, or am I
> just some sad no-life?
>
> When you go on a photo trip do you just wander around and leave the
> photos to the will of Allah, or do you deliberately put yourself into
> likely-looking situations?
>
> I normally put together a loose list of the type of shot I'd like, and
> the places to go where I think it's likely, but I make sure I can
> extemporise. So I don't usually get exactly what I wanted, but I do
> tend to get good stuff. For instance, in Romania I wanted funerals,
> and gypsy music. In the town where I expected to get good shots of
> funerals, I got nothing. But in the village where I expected gypsy
> music, I got a great funeral.
>
> At the moment I'm looking through the Magnum website for inspiration
> and ideas. I have been to Morocco a few times before, although not to
> Fez, so I know it's difficult to photograph there, probably more so
> during Ramadan, but I'm quite excited about it.
>
> Bob


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Re: PESO: Suburban Star Gazing

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> One from this evening/morning (~65kb)
>
> 
>
> K20D, DA 10-17mm FE @ 11mm, 225 seconds @ f4, ISO 100.
>

Is that 225 seconds?  I guess it would be.  No wonder the person's a
bit blurry!  ;-)

Lovely shot - beautiful sky colour.  Terrific composition.

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[AlunFoto]

No problem, Frank!
I was just teasing, because you're very much right. As I wrote to Bob
S., this lens has a bit of magic built-in, by the way it renders the
image. It is very much the lens at the moment, the photographer is
just playing around to see what it yields. Hopefully I will have time
to play some more tomorrow. Tim Øsleby and I have planned a rendezvous
at Runde by the turn of the month, and I'd very much like to be more
on top of things by then.

We'll be staying at the lighthouse, btw. Check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runde

Really looking forward to that! :-)

Jostein

2008/6/13 frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:33 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for leaving the photographer out of the equation... LOL.
>>
>> I've forgotten the name of the photographer credited with the quote
>> "You have to push the button"... :-)
>
> Sorry Jostein.  Really.
>
> I meant that you took the photo, but the lens allowed you to catch
> what you wanted.  I have to admit, it didn't exactly come out that
> way. 
>
> I believe you likely did have something to do with the photo!  ;-)
>
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Re: PESO - Three's a Crowd

[pnstenquist]

Outstanding shot. The sign of course makes it, but you recognized it and 
composed it perfectly. Superb work.
Paul
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> frank theriault wrote:
> > Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz
> > 
> > 
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/
> jun_13_08+003.jpg
> > 
> > Comments always welcome.
> > 
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> great use of depth of field.  Nicely seen and captured... as usual.
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Re: PESO: Suburban Star Gazing

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Nice composition. Works for me.
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> G'day All,
> 
> One from this evening/morning (~65kb)
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Re: PESO: Suburban Star Gazing

[Charles Robinson]

On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:35, David Savage wrote:

> G'day All,
>
> One from this evening/morning (~65kb)
>
> 
>
> K20D, DA 10-17mm FE @ 11mm, 225 seconds @ f4, ISO 100.
>

That's a lovely shade of violet in the sky.  I like it.

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Re: Peso First Rose

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:56 AM, frank theriault
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> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> but it will all soon be under CONTROL...
>> (obvious but somebody had to do it).
>
> Sorry about that, Chief...

We better continue this under the cone of silence.

Guess i;'ll try another angle for the flower shot then.:-0

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Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quote:
>> "Australians should be questioning whether eBay is really looking
>> after their best interests,"
> Of course e-bay isn't looking out for their best interests, it's looking
> out for it's own.  If it servers the best interests of anyone else it's
> good if not bad and e-bay will lose market share.  Changes that have
> made it more and more difficult for the little guy to work with e-bay
> have caused me to care less and less about what they offer...

I have 8 feedbacks from Sellers since i joined. Thats how much i use eek bay.

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Re: Three's A Crowd

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 Oops!  
--- On Fri, 6/13/08, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Shooting plan
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 7:32 AM
> Wow, Frank. The guy on the far left, the poster, the
> demeanor contrast between the two women..terrific!
> Think I'd clone the face fragment, barely visible
> between the post and sign, just enough to confuse identity.
> Distracting, if noticed at all.
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 6/13/08, frank theriault
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> > From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 7:01 AM
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM, P. J. Alling
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> > > I'd be careful, someone might mistake you for
> a
> > Shriner...
> > 
> > Actually, that's the costume I'm thinking of
> using
> > it for.  I'm
> > looking for a tiny car right now...
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Re: Suburban Star Gazing

[Christine Aguila]

Lovely, Dave.  I especially like that little highlight atop the person's 
head.  Sky is a beautiful color.  Cheers, Christine


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Re: Three's A Crowd

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Oops!
>   --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I noticed it on the other thread, but I knew what you were talking about.

Thanks!

:-)

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Peso Another Columbine from the garden

[David J Brooks]

Looks like all of the flowers are out, and maybe a few seed pods showing.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7404781

D200 (cause K10D is at Pentax) Tamron 90mm macro LR adjust exposure up +.26

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Re: PESO: Suburban Star Gazing

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Very nice.

I like the colour of the photo.

Dave

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Re: PESO - Three's a Crowd

[David J Brooks]

Good eye Frank.

It sure looks like he wants to be over on the other side.:-)

Dave

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> Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz
>
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg
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Re: PESO - Three's a Crowd

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>> Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz
>>
>> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg
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>> Comments always welcome.
>>
>> cheers,
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> great use of depth of field.

He just mis focused.

Just kidding Frank

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Re: PESO 2008 - 87 - GDG

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Godfrey,

Pretty cool shot there.  Either well seen or well placed - the
lighting works very well.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 4:18:26 PM, you wrote:

GD> Made this photo while visiting San Francisco on Saturday for a photo  
GD> workshop.

GD>http://homepage.mac.com/godders/87-cups.jpg
GD>Cups - This Cafe Life 2008
GD>Olympus E-1 + ZD 35mm f/3.5 Macro
GD>ISO 400 @ f/3.5 @ 1/2500 sec

GD> Comments and critique always appreciated.

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Re: Shooting plan

[Bob Sullivan]

John,
I think you're right.
Too many people taking too many images now.
I think we will see fewer, better images down the line.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM, John Poirier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Bob
>
> I rarely use shooting lists, not for my current type of work.  I've noted
> that it's something stock photographers do regularly, though.
>
> What got me out of my lurker's cave was your comment about "looking through
> the Magnum web site for inspiration and ideas".  Looking at good work makes
> a lot of sense, of course, for improving your skills any sort of
> photography.  I do it all the time.
>
> It did remind me of something that has bemused me of late.  This is the
> question of visual plagiarism.
>
> I have a very good visual memory.  I've looked at several exhibits at a
> local gallery recently that contained significant numbers of prints for
> which my first reaction was that I had seen the image before.  In some cases
> I was even able to remember whos idea was being used.  Cartier Bresson and
> Arnold Newman came to mind.
>
> Over the last ten years I've increasingly had a sense of "sameness" about
> images in mainstream photo publications. I find them quite repetitive,
> essentially reworkings of previously published material. I also find it
> increasingly difficult to distinguish editorial photos from the images used
> to promote equipment, which are generally visually arresting but not
> necessarily profound.
>
> BTW, my use of the term "visual plagiarism" refers to rather obvious
> reworking of others' ideas rather than direct copying.
>
> Is genuine originality disappearing from the photographic mainstream?
>
> What are the groups thoughts on this?
>
> Cheers
>
> John Poirier
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>
>
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>> Bob W
>> Sent: June 12, 2008 1:49 PM
>> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>> Subject: Shooting plan
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've booked a week's holiday in Fez for Sept/Oct, just at the end of
>> Ramadan and in time for Eid al-Fitr. I had hoped to go for longer, and
>> to get there on the train, but I can't spare more than a week so I'm
>> flying there (I've paid extra to offset the CO2!).
>>
>> Anyway, I'm starting to make notes about what I'd like to photograph
>> while I'm there, and I wondered if other people do the same, or am I
>> just some sad no-life?
>>
>> When you go on a photo trip do you just wander around and leave the
>> photos to the will of Allah, or do you deliberately put yourself into
>> likely-looking situations?
>>
>> I normally put together a loose list of the type of shot I'd like, and
>> the places to go where I think it's likely, but I make sure I can
>> extemporise. So I don't usually get exactly what I wanted, but I do
>> tend to get good stuff. For instance, in Romania I wanted funerals,
>> and gypsy music. In the town where I expected to get good shots of
>> funerals, I got nothing. But in the village where I expected gypsy
>> music, I got a great funeral.
>>
>> At the moment I'm looking through the Magnum website for inspiration
>> and ideas. I have been to Morocco a few times before, although not to
>> Fez, so I know it's difficult to photograph there, probably more so
>> during Ramadan, but I'm quite excited about it.
>>
>> Bob
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Re: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test

[Cotty]

On 13/6/08, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This photographer should understand that and get over it, then modify his
>style to accommodate it, if he wants to use autoexposure that is.  Or he can
>just work as sports and news traditionally did, precalculate his exposure,
>and precalculate any ad hoc variations like the shady end of the street gets
>+2 stops, or the pool of light outside that window gets -3 stops.
>
>Or he can go back to his Canon and quit whinging until Leica either goes
>bust or delivers the camera he wants.

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Re: GESO - A stroll around the theatre district

[Cotty]

On 12/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

> my shooting was restricted to the walk to  
>and from the subway stop. Refreshing, though, limiting myself to one  
>lens and shooting on the fly in such a photogenic city.

Before GFM this year, I spent 2 full days in NYC, roaming with camera -
I have *yet* to go through these pics, but will hopefully get time soon,
will post some pics.

NYC is a remarkable place - and that's understatement for you!

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Re: GESO: Anne

[Cotty]

On 12/6/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=840824
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>Comment/s critique/thoughts very welcome.

Nice set of pics Christine. I think you captured spirit of the sitter
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Re: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:47 PM, David Savage wrote:

> Time to up your HRT dosage.

Not entirely sure I'm interested in listening to more HRT
   http://www.hrtrocks.com/
but thanks for the music recommendation.

What it might have to do with the stupidity of implying "the Leica M8  
sucks" with no first hand knowledge of it at all is beyond me. But  
feel free to carry on.

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Re: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Or he should try the R-D1 :)

So, seriously, Cotty.

I know you're not a war photographer, but you've used an R-D1 for some
time now, and you seem more than satisfied with it.

Presumably you've read Kambers report.  How do you think the R-D1
would stack up vis-a-vis his complaints of the M8?  Buffer, low light,
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Re: Peso Another Columbine from the garden

[Jack Davis]

A very snug crop, but done with good composition and interesting background 
contrast.

Jack


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> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Peso Another Columbine from the garden
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Harry Bolton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> "Barb Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Yvette Sheppard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 10:43 AM
> Looks like all of the flowers are out, and maybe a few seed
> pods showing.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7404781
> 
> D200 (cause K10D is at Pentax) Tamron 90mm macro LR adjust
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RE: London gangsters

[Bob W]

Ditto. I'm scared to death of Ronnie & Reggie, and they've been dead
for years...

I loathe the celebrity that people give to gangsters like Mad Frankie.
When you read about some of the things they've done it's really
horrible.

Bob

> 
> Personally, I'm happy to be at the other end of the country 
> from them.  Being in the same room with a camera would be a 
> nightmare akin to being chased naked down the high street by 
> giant, man-eating tarantulas.
> 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
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> > > Subject: London gangsters
> > > 
> > > I have no idea where these pictures have come from, but they are
> > > amazing - some of London's nastiest gangsters from the 
> last 40+ years
> > > 
>
http://freakymartin.com/2007/12/14/gangsters-from-london-east-end-36-p
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RE: GESO: Anne

[Bob W]

> > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Bob W 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > http://avline.abacusline.co.uk/pictures/jpeg/pics/mona.jpg
> > > 
> > > I'm also looking at that horrible line sticking up from her
head.
> > > That doesn't look like a camera issue, but you could 
> Photoshop (tm)
> > > that out, you know...
> > > 
> > > cheers,
> > > frank
> > 
> > not my picture, man. If it was I'd have given her big, blonde
hair,
> > more cleavage and a raunchier smile. A bit more like Pammy, 
> know what
> > I mean?
> 
> http://web.piczo.com/zone/item/Asx.QQAAXkIZqKiJxHgo/Americ
> an-Mona-Lisa?omnitureRef=PiczoZone-ALL-CLIPART-CELEBRITIES
> 

my perfect woman!

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Re: GESO: Anne

[Cotty]

On 12/6/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Some of the best portrait photographs take very few frames of their
>subjects.

Excellent advice from Bob, so while we're on the subject, and if you'd
like some further portrait study, here's a couple of my favourites:

Arnold Newman, especially this classic book which should be on portrait
photog's shelf:

http://www.bestwebbuys.com/One_Mind's_Eye-ISBN_9780879230944.html?isrc=b-
search

and



I'm just about to send this book as a gift to someone - if I'm ever in
the photo-doldrums, I leaf through it and find myself re-energized :)

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[Bob Sullivan]

Jostien,
Looks like a great place.
How far of a drive is that for you?
I was impressed by the bridge to the island.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No problem, Frank!
> I was just teasing, because you're very much right. As I wrote to Bob
> S., this lens has a bit of magic built-in, by the way it renders the
> image. It is very much the lens at the moment, the photographer is
> just playing around to see what it yields. Hopefully I will have time
> to play some more tomorrow. Tim Øsleby and I have planned a rendezvous
> at Runde by the turn of the month, and I'd very much like to be more
> on top of things by then.
>
> We'll be staying at the lighthouse, btw. Check this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runde
>
> Really looking forward to that! :-)
>
> Jostein
>
> 2008/6/13 frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:33 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for leaving the photographer out of the equation... LOL.
>>>
>>> I've forgotten the name of the photographer credited with the quote
>>> "You have to push the button"... :-)
>>
>> Sorry Jostein.  Really.
>>
>> I meant that you took the photo, but the lens allowed you to catch
>> what you wanted.  I have to admit, it didn't exactly come out that
>> way. 
>>
>> I believe you likely did have something to do with the photo!  ;-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
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Re: GESO: Anne

[Cotty]

On 12/6/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>How different portrait shoots are!  There you are, your lovely subject is 
>before, staring at you as if saying, "well, what do you want me to do?"  And 
>there you are (or rather, there I was), probably looking perplexed, 
>wondering, how do I make magic here?  How do I get the true spirit of this 
>lovely subject to reveal itself?  Frankly, I find it all a bit daunting--but 
>to paraphrase the great Eleanor Roosevelt,  do what you fear!

One famous British photographer (who is so famous his name escapes my
sozzled mind at the moment!) will spend an hour at a sitting. Fifty
minutes talking with and getting to know the sitter, ten minutes for the pic.

You can learn a lot about someone in fifty minutes :)

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Re: London gangsters

[Rebekah]

what an interesting series, thanks for sharing :)

On 6/13/08, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ditto. I'm scared to death of Ronnie & Reggie, and they've been dead
> for years...
>
> I loathe the celebrity that people give to gangsters like Mad Frankie.
> When you read about some of the things they've done it's really
> horrible.
>
> Bob
>
> >
> > Personally, I'm happy to be at the other end of the country
> > from them.  Being in the same room with a camera would be a
> > nightmare akin to being chased naked down the high street by
> > giant, man-eating tarantulas.
> >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > > Bob W
> > > > Sent: Friday, 13 June 2008 8:59 AM
> > > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> > > > Subject: London gangsters
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea where these pictures have come from, but they are
> > > > amazing - some of London's nastiest gangsters from the
> > last 40+ years
> > > >
> >
> http://freakymartin.com/2007/12/14/gangsters-from-london-east-end-36-p
> > > > hotos/
> > > >
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RE: Shooting plan

[Bob W]

> >   
> I'd be careful, someone might mistake you for a Shriner...
> 

what's a Shriner?

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Re: London gangsters

[Cotty]

On 12/6/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I have no idea where these pictures have come from, but they are
>amazing - some of London's nastiest gangsters from the last 40+ years
>http://freakymartin.com/2007/12/14/gangsters-from-london-east-end-36-p
>hotos/


I've seen these before Bob - they are from a series by a Brit snapper,
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Re: Shooting plan

[Bob Sullivan]

They were Masons, complete with local Masonic Lodges some 100 years ago.
As a sideline, they began entertaining kids in hospitals and adopted
kids hospitals as a charity cause.
Now they are a bunch of middle aged guys who dress up in funny outfits
at city parades,
riding motor cycles, big and tiny, along with cars, big and tiny, and
help families with seriously sick kids.
I have a lot of respect for them despite the clown image they portray
on the street.
Regards,  Bob S.


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>> >
>> I'd be careful, someone might mistake you for a Shriner...
>>
>
> what's a Shriner?
>
> Bob
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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[Bruce Dayton]

I like this one.  Really shows something going on.  Good work -
especially for practice!

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Thursday, June 12, 2008, 12:17:23 PM, you wrote:

A> http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/displayimage.php?pos=-95

A> Practicing with the FA* 600/4.
A> I like the interaction between the birds, though it's not a very good shot.
A> I suppose I could crop a bit to the left and clone out the rest of the
A> twig, but part of the point here is to show it full-frame.

A> The most important lessons from today were:

A> 1. The AF is surprisingly fast and accurate. An awesome step up from
A> the FA* 400/5.6 that I've been used to.
A> 2. Never EVER leave home again with only one half-charged battery in the 
camera.
A> 3. The AOV from this lens corresponds roughly to what my thumbnail can
A> cover at arm's length.
A> 4. The amount of detail resolved by this lens is not veeery
A> impressing, but it kinda makes up for it in contrast.


A> Jostein

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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[AlunFoto]

2008/6/13 Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Jostien,
> Looks like a great place.
> How far of a drive is that for you?

About 10 hours, I think, if you stick _strictly_ to speed limits and
allow for a couple of coffee breaks.

> I was impressed by the bridge to the island.
> Regards,  Bob S.



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Re: PESO - Black-headed gull

[AlunFoto]

Thanks Bruce! :-)

Best,
Jostein

2008/6/13 Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I like this one.  Really shows something going on.  Good work -
> especially for practice!
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Thursday, June 12, 2008, 12:17:23 PM, you wrote:
>
> A> http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/displayimage.php?pos=-95
>
> A> Practicing with the FA* 600/4.
> A> I like the interaction between the birds, though it's not a very good shot.
> A> I suppose I could crop a bit to the left and clone out the rest of the
> A> twig, but part of the point here is to show it full-frame.
>
> A> The most important lessons from today were:
>
> A> 1. The AF is surprisingly fast and accurate. An awesome step up from
> A> the FA* 400/5.6 that I've been used to.
> A> 2. Never EVER leave home again with only one half-charged battery in the 
> camera.
> A> 3. The AOV from this lens corresponds roughly to what my thumbnail can
> A> cover at arm's length.
> A> 4. The amount of detail resolved by this lens is not veeery
> A> impressing, but it kinda makes up for it in contrast.
>
>
> A> Jostein
>
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Re: [OT] Leica M8 Field Test

[Scott Loveless]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Or he should try the R-D1 :)
> 
> 
> Presumably you've read Kambers report.  How do you think the R-D1
> would stack up vis-a-vis his complaints of the M8?  Buffer, low light,
> white balance, colour correction, auto exposure and all that?
> 
Who cares?  It has a "film advance" lever!

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Re: Peso First Rose

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> 
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri PM 03:28:27 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Peso First Rose
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> >> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri AM 10:58:02 GMT
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> Subject: Re: Peso First Rose
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
>  We bought our house in Dec 1983, and it came with some plants
>  and vines.
> 
>  The two climbing rose bushes in the front(south side) of the house
>  
> >>> are
> >>>   
>  much older than our 25 years here.
> 
>  We cut them down, they still grow.:-)
> 
>  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7401053
> 
>  
> >>> Agent Orange is your friend.
> >>>   
> >> Prefer agent 99
> >> 
> >
> > That way lies KAOS.
> >   
> but it will all soon be under CONTROL...
> (obvious but somebody had to do it).

Sorry abut that, chief. 


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Re: GESO: Anne

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Christine,

You have really hit on it.  Portrait work can be very difficult
because you have to produce something, not just record something.
The latter is more about timing and finding the right situation.  The
former is first and foremost about attitude.

What happens with portraits is the feeling of the subject really
comes through.  If the they are feeling a bit shy or timid, it shows.
 Your job is to somehow bring the inner self out and have the person
 really show something.  It usually means getting them to be very
 comfortable - talking and maybe laughing if it is to be a happy
 portrait.  Once things are comfortable, you just shoot away without
 changing the feeling - don't stop and say "now we are going to
 shoot" - you just shoot as you continue your talking.  It has to be
 a fun, enjoyable thing for both of you to have the most successful
 portraits.

 It is also easier, I think, to start with a tighter shot - not so
 much worry about the background.  As the session unfolds, and things
 are working, then you can introduce more backgrounds and poses.

 I hope I'm making sense.

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Thursday, June 12, 2008, 8:56:23 PM, you wrote:


CA> - Original Message - 
CA> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CA> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
CA> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:45 PM
CA> Subject: Re: GESO: Anne


>> Hi Christine,
>> Think about what you want and do it again.
>> Paul

CA> Well, there's the rub!  You know, when you're out on the street or at a
CA> public event,  you begin to watch, unnoticed by others, human drama in
CA> action, and you begin to sense there's a picture coming, & before you know
CA> it the camera is to the left of your nose, & you're looking through the view
CA> finder & there it is.

CA> How different portrait shoots are!  There you are, your lovely subject is
CA> before, staring at you as if saying, "well, what do you want me to do?"  And
CA> there you are (or rather, there I was), probably looking perplexed, 
CA> wondering, how do I make magic here?  How do I get the true spirit of this
CA> lovely subject to reveal itself?  Frankly, I find it all a bit daunting--but
CA> to paraphrase the great Eleanor Roosevelt,  do what you fear!

CA> Thanks for the tips, Paul.

CA> Cheers, Christine






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Re: Peso First Rose

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> 
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri PM 03:56:05 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: Peso First Rose
> 
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > but it will all soon be under CONTROL...
> > (obvious but somebody had to do it).
> 
> Sorry about that, Chief...

Ow!  You beat me by _that_ (holding hands yards apart)much..


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Re: PESO - Three's a Crowd

[Bruce Dayton]

This one works for me.  I can't say exactly why, but I do like it.
Nice work, Frank.

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Friday, June 13, 2008, 7:00:55 AM, you wrote:

ft> Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:

ft> http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz

ft> 
http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg

ft> Comments always welcome.

ft> cheers,
ft> frank

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Re: London gangsters

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:
> Ditto. I'm scared to death of Ronnie & Reggie, 

How about Doug & Dinsdale?


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RE: PESO - Three's a Crowd

[Bob W]

Very good, Frank. There's a lot going on there, and it makes a really
interesting picture.

Bob 

> 
> Yet another subway shot - or at least taken in a subway station:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6lbgcz
> 
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFJkhyqIqgI/CS8/07
> K8AUpIjKU/s1600-h/jun_13_08+003.jpg
> 
> Comments always welcome.
> 


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RE: Shooting plan

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/13 Fri PM 06:29:42 GMT
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: Shooting plan
> 
> > >   
> > I'd be careful, someone might mistake you for a Shriner...
> > 
> 
> what's a Shriner?

No, he's on third base.

Shriner is a sort of UberMason


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