Re: K10 dust performance

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 17, 2008, at 10:23 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

>> I also sometimes carry two bodies, but I almost always have two
>> different prime lenses on them rather than zooms. I just prefer to
>> work that way, nothing wrong with doing the zoom thing.
>
> Yes there is.  Zoom lenses are a dark reflection of ULTIMATE EVIL.
> Didn't you know?  -T

LOL! That's always been my gut feeling, at least until I started  
working with the Leica and Olympus zooms. ;-)

Godfrey

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Re: K10 dust performance

[Tim Bray]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I also sometimes carry two bodies, but I almost always have two
> different prime lenses on them rather than zooms. I just prefer to
> work that way, nothing wrong with doing the zoom thing.

Yes there is.  Zoom lenses are a dark reflection of ULTIMATE EVIL.
Didn't you know?  -T

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Re: K10 dust performance

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That's 250-300 exposures a week, about what I do on average too. Been  
a little slower these past couple of weeks, as I've been working on  
some different things.

Sounds like the K20D is doing well for you. :-)

I also sometimes carry two bodies, but I almost always have two  
different prime lenses on them rather than zooms. I just prefer to  
work that way, nothing wrong with doing the zoom thing.

G


On Jun 17, 2008, at 8:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have 10K exposures on the K20D, which is a lot -- more than 50 a  
> day. Any more than that at this point would be evidence of machine  
> gunning. But at 10K it's doing just fantastic. The K10D is  
> relegated to second camera status. Despite that, it does get used.  
> When shooting events, I always use two cameras and two lenses.  
> Frequently the DA* 50-135 on the K20 and the DA* 16-50 on the K10D.  
> With near identical controls, that works well.

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Re: Uh oh

[Ken Waller]

It's the Murphy law of photography.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Uh oh


> Ken, you're no help at all.
>
> Ken Waller wrote:
>>> It's the sort of tool you don't bring unless you're sure to need it.
>>>
>>
>> And when you don't take, it an opportunity will present itself for its 
>> use.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "AlunFoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: Uh oh
>>
>>
>>
>>> It's the sort of tool you don't bring unless you're sure to need it.
>>> Need seems assured now. :-)
>>>
>>> Jostein
>>>
>>> 2008/6/16 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
 On 16/6/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:


> Guess I'll have to bring the 600 in August then. :-)
>
 I thought you would anyway! Since we're driving, I'll bring 
 everything...

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Re: K10 dust performance

[Charles Robinson]

On Jun 17, 2008, at 21:32, Cory Waters wrote:

> As we know, the K10 implemented some measures to keep the sensor dust
> free.  Do we feel that the sensor shake and adhesive strip are doing
> anything to reduce dust problems on the sensor?
>

Simply put: No

I still need to get some "E2" so I can clean the sensor properly.

  -Charles

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Re: K10 dust performance

[pnstenquist]

I have 10K exposures on the K20D, which is a lot -- more than 50 a day. Any 
more than that at this point would be evidence of machine gunning. But at 10K 
it's doing just fantastic. The K10D is relegated to second camera status. 
Despite that, it does get used. When shooting events, I always use two cameras 
and two lenses. Frequently the DA* 50-135 on the K20 and the DA* 16-50 on the 
K10D. With near identical controls, that works well. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Yes, I tried that. Unfortunately, I find it takes three or four  
> passes of the shake function to truly get all the dust off the  
> sensor, so having it run at power on doesn't actually cut it for me.
> 
> I have no experience with the K20D. Let me know how it's done after  
> 20-30K exposures. I'm somewhere around there with the K10D, and with  
> the L1/E-1 bodies (combined total).
> 
> Working with three bodies is nicely distributing the loads and  
> keeping them young. And each of them has their unique and  
> complementary goodness. :-)
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 17, 2008, at 8:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > You can choose to have the Pentax system run every time the camera  
> > is powered up. And the K20D version seems more effective than that  
> > of the K10D. I've never encountered a dust problem with the K20D,  
> > regardless or aperture or background.
> 
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Re: K10 dust performance

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Yes, I tried that. Unfortunately, I find it takes three or four  
passes of the shake function to truly get all the dust off the  
sensor, so having it run at power on doesn't actually cut it for me.

I have no experience with the K20D. Let me know how it's done after  
20-30K exposures. I'm somewhere around there with the K10D, and with  
the L1/E-1 bodies (combined total).

Working with three bodies is nicely distributing the loads and  
keeping them young. And each of them has their unique and  
complementary goodness. :-)

Godfrey



On Jun 17, 2008, at 8:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> You can choose to have the Pentax system run every time the camera  
> is powered up. And the K20D version seems more effective than that  
> of the K10D. I've never encountered a dust problem with the K20D,  
> regardless or aperture or background.


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Re: Peso Dew on Tiger lilies

[Mike Hamilton]

On 17-Jun-08, at 6:24 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

>> From the same shoot and same storm.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7421919
>
> Its a plain looking shot, but i really like this one

Very nice, David.  The simplicity makes it work.

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Re: K10 dust performance

[pnstenquist]

You can choose to have the Pentax system run every time the camera is powered 
up. And the K20D version seems more effective than that of the K10D. I've never 
encountered a dust problem with the K20D, regardless or aperture or background.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The K10D's ultra-smooth coating and sensor shaking dust cleaner seems  
> a little crude but it works ok. I don't think about it too much in  
> practice. At wide apertures, a bit of dust on the sensor is often  
> difficult to see and not a bother unless you're working with smooth  
> open sky. If I'm going to be shooting stopped down, I run the sensor  
> shaker a few times and it is always spotless after I do that. One  
> pass rarely does it, but three or four always do.
> 
> This is one of the great things about the Olympus and Panasonic  
> bodies: the ultrasonic wave sensor cleaning thingamabob in them runs  
> automatically every time the camera is powered up and is near  
> instantaneous, really cleans the sensor well. In my 20,000 exposures  
> combined between the L1 and E-1 bodies, I have not yet seen a dust  
> spot despite extremely casual and frequent lens changes.
> 
> I wish all DSLRs had that system.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> On Jun 17, 2008, at 7:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Nope. That's how I do it. And I rarely see any dust on the sensor.
> > Paul
> >  -- Original message --
> > From: "Tim Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:40 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> It helpsa wee bit. Taking care to not expose the camera when  
> >>> changing lenses
> >> helps much more.
> >>
> >> My technique for this is simple: get the next lens that's going to go
> >> on ready, take off the lens with the camera face down, and keep it
> >> face down while putting on the replacement.  Anyone have a better
> >> idea?
> >>
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Re: K10 dust performance

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The K10D's ultra-smooth coating and sensor shaking dust cleaner seems  
a little crude but it works ok. I don't think about it too much in  
practice. At wide apertures, a bit of dust on the sensor is often  
difficult to see and not a bother unless you're working with smooth  
open sky. If I'm going to be shooting stopped down, I run the sensor  
shaker a few times and it is always spotless after I do that. One  
pass rarely does it, but three or four always do.

This is one of the great things about the Olympus and Panasonic  
bodies: the ultrasonic wave sensor cleaning thingamabob in them runs  
automatically every time the camera is powered up and is near  
instantaneous, really cleans the sensor well. In my 20,000 exposures  
combined between the L1 and E-1 bodies, I have not yet seen a dust  
spot despite extremely casual and frequent lens changes.

I wish all DSLRs had that system.

Godfrey


On Jun 17, 2008, at 7:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Nope. That's how I do it. And I rarely see any dust on the sensor.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Tim Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:40 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> It helpsa wee bit. Taking care to not expose the camera when  
>>> changing lenses
>> helps much more.
>>
>> My technique for this is simple: get the next lens that's going to go
>> on ready, take off the lens with the camera face down, and keep it
>> face down while putting on the replacement.  Anyone have a better
>> idea?
>>

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Re: K10 dust performance

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cory Waters"
Subject: K10 dust performance


> As we know, the K10 implemented some measures to keep the sensor dust
> free.  Do we feel that the sensor shake and adhesive strip are doing
> anything to reduce dust problems on the sensor?

Actually yes. I'm quite surprised that it works. Dust reduction doesn't mean 
freedom from dust, 
but it seems to help.

William Robb 


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Re: K10 dust performance

[pnstenquist]

Nope. That's how I do it. And I rarely see any dust on the sensor. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Tim Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:40 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It helpsa wee bit. Taking care to not expose the camera when changing 
> > lenses 
> helps much more.
> 
> My technique for this is simple: get the next lens that's going to go
> on ready, take off the lens with the camera face down, and keep it
> face down while putting on the replacement.  Anyone have a better
> idea?
> 
> -T
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Re: K10 dust performance

[Tim Bray]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:40 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It helpsa wee bit. Taking care to not expose the camera when changing lenses 
> helps much more.

My technique for this is simple: get the next lens that's going to go
on ready, take off the lens with the camera face down, and keep it
face down while putting on the replacement.  Anyone have a better
idea?

-T

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Re: K10 dust performance

[pnstenquist]

It helpsa wee bit. Taking care to not expose the camera when changing lenses 
helps much more.
Paul
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From: Cory Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> As we know, the K10 implemented some measures to keep the sensor dust 
> free.  Do we feel that the sensor shake and adhesive strip are doing 
> anything to reduce dust problems on the sensor?
> 
> CW
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K10 dust performance

[Cory Waters]

As we know, the K10 implemented some measures to keep the sensor dust 
free.  Do we feel that the sensor shake and adhesive strip are doing 
anything to reduce dust problems on the sensor?

CW


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Re: Peso Dew on Tiger lilies

[pnstenquist]

I'm okay with the out of focus leaf here. It gives the shot dimension. 
Excellent composition. Nice one.
Paul

> --- On Tue, 6/17/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Peso Dew on Tiger lilies
> > To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Harry Bolton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> "Barbara Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Yvette Sheppard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> "Sarah Bedford-James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 5:24 PM
> > >From the same shoot and same storm.
> > 
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7421919
> > 
> > Its a plain looking shot, but i really like this one
> > 
> > Dave
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Re: Uh oh

[George Sinos]

I think someone else said that, Dave.

GS


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 6:15 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:55 PM, George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A lot of my equine sales come from people that have there own Canon
> and Nikon Dslr's, but to their own admission, take poor photos with
> them.
>
> I have had a number of conversations with parents and the cameras they
> have. First think i ask is what shutter speed, Fstop and ISO do you
> use.
>
> I don't know, i just have it on the A mode here.
>
> ISO is like a foreign language to most of these folks:-)
>
> I try and explain they need faster shutter speeds etc to get the
> action forzen. They don't want to listen, or care, and carry on in
> Auto mode.
>
> It happens a lot BTW.
>
> Dave
>>
>> The best line came from a young mom in last Saturday's class.  I
>> referred to "point and shoot" cameras.  She said hers was more of a
>> "poke and hope."
>>
>> Yeah, I'm stealing that line.
>>
>> See you later, gs
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:52 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Bob W"
>>> Subject: RE: Uh oh
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I suspect it can take a lot of people a long time to understand why
 reflected or matrix light meters can get things wrong, or why AF
 doesn't always F where they want it to. It depends in the end on how
 keen people are really to learn what to do.
>>>
>>> It also depends on how stoic they are about insisting that the miracle of 
>>> automation they bought
>>> is either perfect in every detail, or else third rate crap.
>>> Just about every complaint I have read about cameras since I got onto the 
>>> internet is either
>>> something that can be fixed by either reading the owners manual, or else 
>>> reading a good book
>>> about photographic theory, and then putting what you have read into 
>>> practice.
>>>
>>> William Robb
>>>
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Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1

[George Sinos]

I have a G9.  It's a nice carry-around camera that can still shoot
raw.  This camera fits in a niche between the point and shoots and the
DSLRs.  It's a heavy little brick.

The shutter lag hasn't been an issue, but I don't do any high speed
action stuff.  It's more than adequate for people pictures.

This is an incredibly complex camera.  It's an engineer's delight.
They packed every feature they could think of into this little box
with little thought for ergonomics.  Buttons have several functions,
some unmarked.  I shoot raw files in the Tv, Av, or Program modes.
This eliminates most of the confusing feature bloat.

Picture quality from raw files converted with Photoshop/ACR is excellent.

Pentax could probably clean up if they built a decent camera for this
niche.  The G9 is about the only thing in the price range.

GS


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> I got to play with a Canon Powershot G9 last weekend.  Shutter
> delay wasn't an issue.  Admittedly most of the time I wouldn't
> have noticed it, anyway - I was half-pressing the shutter to
> see which AF point it was choosing (a habit I've got into with
> my DSLRs; although I generally have the AF set to "select", not
> to "auto", it's too easy to nudge the four-way controller with
> my nose).  Once the AF is done, even my ancient Powershot G1
> was quite responsive.   But I did try a couple of shots where
> I just pointed-and-clicked, and found it to be quite speedy.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 06:13:13AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is
>> a clone of the Panasonic.
>> Paul
>> On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:
>>
>> > Steve Desjardins asked:
>> > "Someone mentioned that some of the P&S cameras are starting to
>> > fill the
>> > niche rangefinders used to have.  I'm not agreeing with this, but
>> > what is
>> > the highest quality P&S you can get?"
>> >
>> > A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these:
>> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sigma/sigma_dp1.asp is a
>> > large sensor
>> > compact.
>> >
>> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Ricoh/ricoh_grdigital2.asp is
>> > the
>> > latest digital version of the cultish GR series.
>> >
>> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_cpp5100.asp &
>> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_g9.asp are
>> > Nikon's and
>> > Canon's highest spec versatile compacts.
>> >
>> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fujifilm_F100fd.asp is
>> > Fujifilm's latest in the cultish F**fd  series.
>> >
>> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_dlux3.asp is a
>> > very nice
>> > compact Leica.  There's a clone Panasonic but I don't know its name.
>> >
>> > Mostly the cameras I chose are not ultra compact and usually have
>> > redeeming
>> > features to deserve cult status, such as exceptional low light
>> > performance,
>> > a good wide angle lens, good manual controls, good viewfinders (not
>> > just the
>> > rear LCD), RAW file saving, or they just look good.  If a camera
>> > doesn't
>> > tick all the boxes it will be outstanding in one or more of the other
>> > criteria.
>> >
>> > It's not a definitive list, just my feelings.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Anthony Farr.
>> >
>> >
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Re: Mike Johnson makes K20 second choice recommended cameras.

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:19 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:31 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 He's somewhat on crack. While the D300 doesn't outdo the D2X at ISO
 640 and below, it utterly stomps the D2X at 800+ for IQ. The D2X is
 anything but a high ISO camera and the D300 doesn't come into its own
 until you start shooting high ISO, the D300 is also much more of a
 sports camera, with better AF tracking and a higher framerate (D2X
 only does 5fps at 12MP, it relies on a ~7MP crop mode to hit 8fps. The
 D300 needs teh grip and either 8x AA's or an EN-EL4 battery to do
 8fps, but does it at full resolution).

 I wouldn't buy a used D2X today. the D300 is more camera.
>>>
>>> Thats what i needed to hear,
>>>
>>> K10 is back at Pentax for round three. It may be time to upgrade the D200.
>>>
>>> I need the low light and af  tracking
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> D300's a bit slower to lock-on than the D3 or D2H, but tracks as well
>> as the D3 (It's got less processing power than the D3 and more sensors
>> than the D2H). My only dislikes with the D300 are the lack of SR and a
>> somewhat unpolished UI (some silly things in the menu setup). A huge
>> upgrade over the D200 if AF or low-light work is a concern.
>
> AF is for sure.
>
> I seem to have some strange Dslr problems of  late. The D200 gives me
> fantastic static and macro images. The few times i have used ut as a
> back up camera for  horse shows, it performs terribly. Back focusing,
> soft basically unusable images, but to take a portrait or lately my
> dew shots, are fantastic.
>
> I'm at my wits end..
>
> Dave

Sounds like AF calibration issues. D300 has AF fine tune like the
K20D, so it's less of an issue.

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Re: Aston Martins with Ford Engines

[Bruce Walker]

Heh, great line:

"Now the image of a modern photographer is not of one looking through 
his or her camera to take a picture but of one looking at the back of it 
with a puzzled look."

Too true.

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Re: Lightsphere vs Lumiquest

[Jack Davis]

Not that this is the reason you posted these two shots, but the Lightsphere 
exposure is more to my liking.

Jack


--- On Tue, 6/17/08, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Lightsphere vs Lumiquest
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 5:40 PM
> Paul's thread got me to thinking. I have a Lightsphere,
> the cloudy
> looking version. I have tried it on the Sigma 500 flash
> with poor
> results that I attribute to P-TTL. May be wrong.
> Anyway, today I purchased a Vivitar 283 and put the velcro
> on it to
> attach my Lumiquest bounce hood. The initial tests reminded
> my again
> why I liked the Vivitar and Sunpak flash units with the
> simple auto
> feature.
> Then I decided to see how the Lightsphere would react. Not
> bad, but
> there are some subtle differences between the two. The
> attached
> photo's show. I believe each is captioned to show which
> was which.
> 
> Walt
> 
> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#315094136_KwVvH-XL-LB
> 
> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#315094132_wiZxw-XL-LB
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Re: Peso Dew on Tiger lilies

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Jack

My wonder was the OOF leaf, if it worked

Dave

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like the line of both the dewy blades. The oof blade, however, being so 
> prominent, I find somewhat distracting.
>
> Jack
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/17/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Peso Dew on Tiger lilies
>> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Harry Bolton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>> "Barbara Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Yvette Sheppard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>> "Sarah Bedford-James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 5:24 PM
>> >From the same shoot and same storm.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7421919
>>
>> Its a plain looking shot, but i really like this one
>>
>> Dave
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Re: Mike Johnson makes K20 second choice recommended cameras.

[David J Brooks]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:31 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> He's somewhat on crack. While the D300 doesn't outdo the D2X at ISO
>>> 640 and below, it utterly stomps the D2X at 800+ for IQ. The D2X is
>>> anything but a high ISO camera and the D300 doesn't come into its own
>>> until you start shooting high ISO, the D300 is also much more of a
>>> sports camera, with better AF tracking and a higher framerate (D2X
>>> only does 5fps at 12MP, it relies on a ~7MP crop mode to hit 8fps. The
>>> D300 needs teh grip and either 8x AA's or an EN-EL4 battery to do
>>> 8fps, but does it at full resolution).
>>>
>>> I wouldn't buy a used D2X today. the D300 is more camera.
>>
>> Thats what i needed to hear,
>>
>> K10 is back at Pentax for round three. It may be time to upgrade the D200.
>>
>> I need the low light and af  tracking
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Dave
>
> D300's a bit slower to lock-on than the D3 or D2H, but tracks as well
> as the D3 (It's got less processing power than the D3 and more sensors
> than the D2H). My only dislikes with the D300 are the lack of SR and a
> somewhat unpolished UI (some silly things in the menu setup). A huge
> upgrade over the D200 if AF or low-light work is a concern.

AF is for sure.

I seem to have some strange Dslr problems of  late. The D200 gives me
fantastic static and macro images. The few times i have used ut as a
back up camera for  horse shows, it performs terribly. Back focusing,
soft basically unusable images, but to take a portrait or lately my
dew shots, are fantastic.

I'm at my wits end..

Dave
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Re: Peso Dew on Tiger lilies

[Jack Davis]

I like the line of both the dewy blades. The oof blade, however, being so 
prominent, I find somewhat distracting.

Jack


--- On Tue, 6/17/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Peso Dew on Tiger lilies
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Harry Bolton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> "Barbara Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Yvette Sheppard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> "Sarah Bedford-James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 5:24 PM
> >From the same shoot and same storm.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7421919
> 
> Its a plain looking shot, but i really like this one
> 
> Dave
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Re: PEF-support in various software

[pnstenquist]

I still use PSCS to convert my K20D files. But I shoot DNG. My work laptop (a 2 
Gigahertz Intel duocore Macbook) is equipped with PS 3, but the monitor sucks. 
However, I may start using it more. I'm learning to compensate:-).
Paul
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From: David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At 11:27 PM 17/06/2008, David J Brooks wrote:
> >It would be nice, for those of us that do not want to or cannot
> >afford, the upgrades, to have Adobe allow the newer raw files to work
> >with CS and or CS2.
> >
> >I know they won't, but it would be nice.
> 
> 
> Well they do in a roundabout way. You just have to convert then to .dng is 
> all.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Dave 
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Re: PEF-support in various software

[David Savage]

At 11:27 PM 17/06/2008, David J Brooks wrote:
>It would be nice, for those of us that do not want to or cannot
>afford, the upgrades, to have Adobe allow the newer raw files to work
>with CS and or CS2.
>
>I know they won't, but it would be nice.


Well they do in a roundabout way. You just have to convert then to .dng is all.

Cheers,


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Re: Lightsphere vs Lumiquest

[pnstenquist]

As one might expect, the lightsphere shadows are more subtle and the lighting 
is more natural. I like that. However, the cloudy version eats quite a few 
f-stops. But for close-in work like this it's excellent. Nice shot, BTW.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Walter Hamler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Paul's thread got me to thinking. I have a Lightsphere, the cloudy
> looking version. I have tried it on the Sigma 500 flash with poor
> results that I attribute to P-TTL. May be wrong.
> Anyway, today I purchased a Vivitar 283 and put the velcro on it to
> attach my Lumiquest bounce hood. The initial tests reminded my again
> why I liked the Vivitar and Sunpak flash units with the simple auto
> feature.
> Then I decided to see how the Lightsphere would react. Not bad, but
> there are some subtle differences between the two. The attached
> photo's show. I believe each is captioned to show which was which.
> 
> Walt
> 
> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#315094136_KwVvH-XL-LB
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> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#315094132_wiZxw-XL-LB
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Lightsphere vs Lumiquest

[Walter Hamler]

Paul's thread got me to thinking. I have a Lightsphere, the cloudy
looking version. I have tried it on the Sigma 500 flash with poor
results that I attribute to P-TTL. May be wrong.
Anyway, today I purchased a Vivitar 283 and put the velcro on it to
attach my Lumiquest bounce hood. The initial tests reminded my again
why I liked the Vivitar and Sunpak flash units with the simple auto
feature.
Then I decided to see how the Lightsphere would react. Not bad, but
there are some subtle differences between the two. The attached
photo's show. I believe each is captioned to show which was which.

Walt

http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#315094136_KwVvH-XL-LB

http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#315094132_wiZxw-XL-LB

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Re: Mike Johnson makes K20 second choice recommended cameras.

[Adam Maas]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:31 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> He's somewhat on crack. While the D300 doesn't outdo the D2X at ISO
>> 640 and below, it utterly stomps the D2X at 800+ for IQ. The D2X is
>> anything but a high ISO camera and the D300 doesn't come into its own
>> until you start shooting high ISO, the D300 is also much more of a
>> sports camera, with better AF tracking and a higher framerate (D2X
>> only does 5fps at 12MP, it relies on a ~7MP crop mode to hit 8fps. The
>> D300 needs teh grip and either 8x AA's or an EN-EL4 battery to do
>> 8fps, but does it at full resolution).
>>
>> I wouldn't buy a used D2X today. the D300 is more camera.
>
> Thats what i needed to hear,
>
> K10 is back at Pentax for round three. It may be time to upgrade the D200.
>
> I need the low light and af  tracking
>
> Dave
>
> Dave

D300's a bit slower to lock-on than the D3 or D2H, but tracks as well
as the D3 (It's got less processing power than the D3 and more sensors
than the D2H). My only dislikes with the D300 are the lack of SR and a
somewhat unpolished UI (some silly things in the menu setup). A huge
upgrade over the D200 if AF or low-light work is a concern.

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Re: PESO - Share and Share Alike

[pnstenquist]

At least the looks aren't directed at you. Good shot.
Paul
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From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> What I don't get is the disapproving looks from the couple on the
> right.  In fact, they may make the pic (such as it is) more than the
> two "main subjects":
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/4qj8sn
> 
> http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFZZrVFlkuI/CTE/aWUG8Owl05w/s1600-h/
> jun_16_08+004.jpg
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
> 
> cheers,
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Re: Bird Learning Curve

[David J Brooks]

I have racoons and skunks i would LOVE to get rid of.

Were di you say you lived.:-)

Dave

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:26 PM, D. Glenn Arthur Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I finally felt well enough to use the borrowed extension ladder
> to get up on the roof and look at what the roofers had done.
> Then I got sufficiently distracted shooting birds and helicopters
> that I forgot to take pictures of where the roof is sagging.
> Oops.
>
> More stuff I've learned about shooting birds:
>
> If they're moving downwind and are faster than a pigeon, fuggedaboudit.
>
> There's a nest inside my chimney (about five feet down, I think).
>
> Lying on my back does help for tracking them across the sky, but
> makes seeing what direction they'll be coming from harder.  (This
> shouldn't be as much of a problem when I try to shoot the sentry
> bat next month.  In past years, it has established a pretty stable
> route and held to it flight after flight, night after night.  But
> it'll be a factor if I try to shoot feeding bats.)
>
> That cardinal is bloody fast, and sneaky.  But I might have a
> start on figuring out the robin's pattern.
>
> If I have to think about it, the bird is already out of the frame.
>
> Raptors are convenient.  They just hang there in a thermal,
> waiting for me to shoot.
>
> I don't think I'm ever gonna get that damned dragonfly.  Yes,
> I know that's not a bird, bat, or helicopter; it did zip past
> me at a womdigious speed a few times.
>
>
> At one point I had the 100-300 zoom on, 'cause, well, I was
> planning to shoot birds with it ... and two sparrows decided
> to loop around my ankles.  That lens doesn't focus that close.
> The rest of the afternoon the sparrows stayed too far away to
> shoot at all.  I tell you, they're doin' it to me on purpose ...
>
> Earlier, I watched a small black bird launch itself into a
> headwind and get stuck.  It stayed stuck in place in midair
> long enough for me to get a long lens up and pointed in the
> right direction, but not long enough for me to focus after
> that.  (But it was a really cute sight.)
>
>
> The weather was working against me on the medevac helipad.  The
> air doesn't look as hazy as it did last week, but I still got
> a lot of fog in the frames where I tried to shoot it, about a
> mile away (uh, 1.2 miles, I think, but I can check it with my
> odometer the next time I go downtown).  The same shot just after
> dusk with the camera not braced as well a couple days ago was
> clearer.  (This afternoon I rested the camera on the chimney; a
> couple nights ago I was leaning out a window.)  I have to check
> again after I copy the photos onto my computer, but looking at
> the LCD there didn't seem to be much difference in fogging
> between the lens I don't have a UV filter for and the lens that
> had a UV filter on it, so I think it's just summer humidity.
> OTOH, the police helicopter came near enough for me to get the
> best shot of it I've managed yet.
>
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Re: Mike Johnson makes K20 second choice recommended cameras.

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He's somewhat on crack. While the D300 doesn't outdo the D2X at ISO
> 640 and below, it utterly stomps the D2X at 800+ for IQ. The D2X is
> anything but a high ISO camera and the D300 doesn't come into its own
> until you start shooting high ISO, the D300 is also much more of a
> sports camera, with better AF tracking and a higher framerate (D2X
> only does 5fps at 12MP, it relies on a ~7MP crop mode to hit 8fps. The
> D300 needs teh grip and either 8x AA's or an EN-EL4 battery to do
> 8fps, but does it at full resolution).
>
> I wouldn't buy a used D2X today. the D300 is more camera.

Thats what i needed to hear,

K10 is back at Pentax for round three. It may be time to upgrade the D200.

I need the low light and af  tracking

Dave

Dave
>
> -Adam
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:06 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I respect Mikes reviews a lot more than or friend KR, but if what i
>> read is true, that he thinks the D300 and D2X are related, i won't
>> have to buy a used D2X.:-)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Read all about it.
>>>
>>> He touts it's image quality as better than the Nikon D300...
>>>
>>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
>>>
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OT G3 is here.

[David J Brooks]

My Canon G3 converted to IR is here. First impressions are great.

A few minutes to figure out some settings, but initial photos are impressive.

And

Its so obsolete. its a 4mp camera.

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Re: Mike Johnson makes K20 second choice recommended cameras.

[Adam Maas]

He's somewhat on crack. While the D300 doesn't outdo the D2X at ISO
640 and below, it utterly stomps the D2X at 800+ for IQ. The D2X is
anything but a high ISO camera and the D300 doesn't come into its own
until you start shooting high ISO, the D300 is also much more of a
sports camera, with better AF tracking and a higher framerate (D2X
only does 5fps at 12MP, it relies on a ~7MP crop mode to hit 8fps. The
D300 needs teh grip and either 8x AA's or an EN-EL4 battery to do
8fps, but does it at full resolution).

I wouldn't buy a used D2X today. the D300 is more camera.

-Adam

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> I respect Mikes reviews a lot more than or friend KR, but if what i
> read is true, that he thinks the D300 and D2X are related, i won't
> have to buy a used D2X.:-)
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Read all about it.
>>
>> He touts it's image quality as better than the Nikon D300...
>>
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
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Re: Uh oh

[David J Brooks]

I;m afraid that is all to true

BTW i started off with a SP500:-)

Dave

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I began when I was 14 with an SP500.  I turned the focus ring until it
> was clear and I turned the aperture ring until the needle centered.
> Focusing was better and slower than with AF because I took the time to
> do it and kept at it until the thing I wanted in focus was clear.
> Exposure, OTOH, was pretty automatic unless I took the time to think
> beyond centering the needle. Snapshooters often don't use their cameras
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> back lighting.  Many people want a P&S even if its a Canon 1D mark II on
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Peso Dew on Tiger lilies

[David J Brooks]

>From the same shoot and same storm.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7421919

Its a plain looking shot, but i really like this one

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Re: Mike Johnson makes K20 second choice recommended cameras.

[P. J. Alling]

I don't make the news I just reports it...

David J Brooks wrote:
> I respect Mikes reviews a lot more than or friend KR, but if what i
> read is true, that he thinks the D300 and D2X are related, i won't
> have to buy a used D2X.:-)
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Read all about it.
>>
>> He touts it's image quality as better than the Nikon D300...
>>
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
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Re: PESO: More industrial kitsch

[David J Brooks]

You never disapont.

Great photos and rflections are lovely

Dave

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A classical situation - at least here in Western Europe. The day had
> been lousy: cool, windy and rainy.
>
> Just before sunset the sun came through, the wind calmed down, and the
> light went from dull to gorgeous within minutes.
>
> I've rarely seen the Albert canal so calm:
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/13243142
>
> Later on the same night:
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/13241547
>
> Nothing spectacular. Just liked the calm and the light.
>
> As always, your comments and suggestions  :-)
>
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Re: PESO - Share and Share Alike

[David J Brooks]

Frank, you have more balls than i do for this stuff,
Great shot and great conversion. What ever you are doing is
wonderfull, and most likely pissing Robert off.:-)

Dave

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:36 PM, frank theriault
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> What I don't get is the disapproving looks from the couple on the
> right.  In fact, they may make the pic (such as it is) more than the
> two "main subjects":
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4qj8sn
>
> http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFZZrVFlkuI/CTE/aWUG8Owl05w/s1600-h/jun_16_08+004.jpg
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Re: Mike Johnson makes K20 second choice recommended cameras.

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I respect Mikes reviews a lot more than or friend KR, but if what i
read is true, that he thinks the D300 and D2X are related, i won't
have to buy a used D2X.:-)

Dave

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Read all about it.
>
> He touts it's image quality as better than the Nikon D300...
>
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
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Re: Mike Johnson makes K20 second choice recommended cameras.

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Read all about it.
>
> He touts it's image quality as better than the Nikon D300...

Probably all the cat photos are from D300's

Dave
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RE: Six NYC pics on R-D1

[Anthony Farr]

The shutter lag is worst when you use the LCD screen for viewfinding,
because the sensor has to switch off video mode and switch on still mode
before the frame capture.  That's why a good optical viewfinder is a
desirable feature, so you can avoid putting the sensor into video mode in
the first place.  The AF speed varies considerably from one camera to
another, mostly according to the mass of the focusing group in the lens (big
lens = slow AF, small lens = fast AF).  There's also a big difference
between wide-angle focusing speed and telephoto focusing speed, even with
the same lens.  To get the shortest delay you either use MF (hard to do when
the controls are buried in a menu) or prefocus via a half shutter press.  As
some cameras have AF lock and AE lock bound together in the half shutter
press this can be a problem at times.

Regards,
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> -Original Message-
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> The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is
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Re: Peso Tulip dew

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Ken

Dave

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good try, but I think it needs more room to the edge on the left & the
> removal of the gold thingee in the URH corner.
>
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax Discuss" ; "Barb Brooks"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Yvette Sheppard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sarah
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:06 AM
> Subject: Peso Tulip dew
>
>
>>I was killing a few minutes Monday, waiting to drive to the bus, when
>> i had a look at my front garden. Lots of
>> dew and droplets on the flowers and leaves from the previous nights t
>> storm
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7419672
>>
>> A dying tulip head.
>>
>> D200, Tamron 90 macro some LR exposure tweak
>>
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Mike Johnson makes K20 second choice recommended cameras.

[P. J. Alling]

Read all about it.

He touts it's image quality as better than the Nikon D300...

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html


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Re: Bird Learning Curve

[P. J. Alling]

Birds are tough, I was visiting friends in Florida and we went to the 
Merritt Island wildlife sanctuary.  I brought along a tripod and my 
Vivitar S1 600mm.  I spied a Pileated Woodpecker in a tree and set up 
the tripod just about got the lens focused and composed and the damned 
bird flew to a tree about 25 ft further away, I slowly and carefully 
moved until I was at the right distance, set the tripod down just about 
got the lens focused and picture framed and it flew to a tree about 25 
ft further away...   This happened about 5 times, the woodpecker then 
squawked loudly and took off across a  marsh, my friends were laughing 
their heads off, I hate Pileated Woodpeckers...

D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote:
> I finally felt well enough to use the borrowed extension ladder
> to get up on the roof and look at what the roofers had done.
> Then I got sufficiently distracted shooting birds and helicopters
> that I forgot to take pictures of where the roof is sagging.
> Oops.
>
> More stuff I've learned about shooting birds:
>
> If they're moving downwind and are faster than a pigeon, fuggedaboudit.
>
> There's a nest inside my chimney (about five feet down, I think).
>
> Lying on my back does help for tracking them across the sky, but
> makes seeing what direction they'll be coming from harder.  (This
> shouldn't be as much of a problem when I try to shoot the sentry
> bat next month.  In past years, it has established a pretty stable
> route and held to it flight after flight, night after night.  But
> it'll be a factor if I try to shoot feeding bats.)
>
> That cardinal is bloody fast, and sneaky.  But I might have a 
> start on figuring out the robin's pattern.
>
> If I have to think about it, the bird is already out of the frame.
>
> Raptors are convenient.  They just hang there in a thermal,
> waiting for me to shoot.
>
> I don't think I'm ever gonna get that damned dragonfly.  Yes,
> I know that's not a bird, bat, or helicopter; it did zip past
> me at a womdigious speed a few times.
>
>
> At one point I had the 100-300 zoom on, 'cause, well, I was
> planning to shoot birds with it ... and two sparrows decided
> to loop around my ankles.  That lens doesn't focus that close.
> The rest of the afternoon the sparrows stayed too far away to
> shoot at all.  I tell you, they're doin' it to me on purpose ...
>
> Earlier, I watched a small black bird launch itself into a
> headwind and get stuck.  It stayed stuck in place in midair
> long enough for me to get a long lens up and pointed in the 
> right direction, but not long enough for me to focus after 
> that.  (But it was a really cute sight.)
>
>
> The weather was working against me on the medevac helipad.  The
> air doesn't look as hazy as it did last week, but I still got
> a lot of fog in the frames where I tried to shoot it, about a 
> mile away (uh, 1.2 miles, I think, but I can check it with my 
> odometer the next time I go downtown).  The same shot just after 
> dusk with the camera not braced as well a couple days ago was 
> clearer.  (This afternoon I rested the camera on the chimney; a 
> couple nights ago I was leaning out a window.)  I have to check 
> again after I copy the photos onto my computer, but looking at 
> the LCD there didn't seem to be much difference in fogging 
> between the lens I don't have a UV filter for and the lens that 
> had a UV filter on it, so I think it's just summer humidity.  
> OTOH, the police helicopter came near enough for me to get the 
> best shot of it I've managed yet.
>
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Re: Uh oh

[P. J. Alling]

Ken, you're no help at all.

Ken Waller wrote:
>> It's the sort of tool you don't bring unless you're sure to need it.
>> 
>
> And when you don't take, it an opportunity will present itself for its use.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "AlunFoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Uh oh
>
>
>   
>> It's the sort of tool you don't bring unless you're sure to need it.
>> Need seems assured now. :-)
>>
>> Jostein
>>
>> 2008/6/16 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> 
>>> On 16/6/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
>>>   
 Guess I'll have to bring the 600 in August then. :-)
 
>>> I thought you would anyway! Since we're driving, I'll bring everything...
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Re: Bird Learning Curve

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:26:23 -0400, "D. Glenn Arthur Jr."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> I finally felt well enough to use the borrowed extension ladder
> to get up on the roof 

> Lying on my back does help for tracking them across the sky, 



You must give your neighbours an immense amount of entertainment.

:-)>



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RE: The Big Picture

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:54:19 +0100, "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Very interesting, thanks. 
> 
> I'm somewhat intrigued by the photo of people releasing 400,000
> plastic balls into a reservoir (ergo man-made) to prevent the sunlight
> from triggering a carcinogenic chemical reaction with the chlorine and
> bromide in the water. I'm not a chemist or a water-scientist in any
> way, but this sounds like kludge upon kludge to me, with the plastic
> likely to lead to further environmental problems somewhere down the
> line. Surely the solution (no pun intended) is to remove, or not to
> add, chlorine or bromide to the reservoir?
> 



Yes, without knowing anything about LA's water supply, the usual reason
for putting any sort of cover on a reservoir is to reduce evaporation.

Great set of images, though.



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Re: PESO - Another 600mm shot

[Tim Øsleby]

2008/6/17 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> I guess the weight reminder will hit me full force when meeting up
>>> with Tim at the end of the month for some serious seabird photograpy
>>
>> I guess the weight reminder will hit me full force when meeting up
>> with Tim at the end of the month for some serious seabird photograpy.
>
> Not if you let him carry it.
>
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Re: PESO - Share and Share Alike

[Ken Waller]

The look of the woman makes it - priceless.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
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Subject: PESO - Share and Share Alike


> What I don't get is the disapproving looks from the couple on the
> right.  In fact, they may make the pic (such as it is) more than the
> two "main subjects":
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4qj8sn
>
> http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFZZrVFlkuI/CTE/aWUG8Owl05w/s1600-h/jun_16_08+004.jpg
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> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
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PESO - Share and Share Alike

[frank theriault]

What I don't get is the disapproving looks from the couple on the
right.  In fact, they may make the pic (such as it is) more than the
two "main subjects":

http://tinyurl.com/4qj8sn

http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SFZZrVFlkuI/CTE/aWUG8Owl05w/s1600-h/jun_16_08+004.jpg

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Another 600mm shot

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/06/600mm-early-attempts.html
>
> A link to my blog this time, hope you don't mind.
>
> Yesterday I felt more comfortable with the 600mm, but it takes some
> time to get used to.
> I also tried out using a Wimberley Sidekick on a ReallyRightStuff
> ballhead instead of the much larger Wimberley Head. When trying out
> the difference at home, the dedicated Head seemed less prone to
> vibration than did the Sidekick, but I don't think it mattered much in
> the afternoon sunlight yesterday.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> Jostein

I still say that's a hell of a sharp lens, Jostein.

Nice shot, too.

The lens did a really good job of capturing it!  

cheers,
frank

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RE: PESO - Another 600mm shot

[Bob W]

> while tracking a herd of Caribou across the tundra 

Mark!

I wish I could say that (and be telling the truth).

Bob

> -Original Message-
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> 
> > I guess the weight reminder will hit me full force when meeting up
> > with Tim at the end of the month for some serious seabird
photograpy
> 
> For me it really hit home in Denali, while tracking a herd of 
> Caribou across 
> the tundra for a few miles - doubt I'll ever do that again. I 
> kept it set up 
> on the tripod for quick use even though I have a nifty back 
> pack for it.
> 
> It was worth the effort though.
> 


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Re: Uh oh

[Cotty]

On 17/6/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's the sort of tool you don't bring unless you're sure to need it.
>Need seems assured now. :-)

LOL

I would love to see it.

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Re: PESO - Another 600mm shot

[Ken Waller]

> I guess the weight reminder will hit me full force when meeting up
> with Tim at the end of the month for some serious seabird photograpy

For me it really hit home in Denali, while tracking a herd of Caribou across 
the tundra for a few miles - doubt I'll ever do that again. I kept it set up 
on the tripod for quick use even though I have a nifty back pack for it.

It was worth the effort though.

> I guess the weight reminder will hit me full force when meeting up
> with Tim at the end of the month for some serious seabird photograpy.

Not if you let him carry it.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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From: "AlunFoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO - Another 600mm shot


> 2008/6/16 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Nice shot but I take issue with your blog ;+]
>> "The only times I'm reminded of its physical size are when taking the eye
>> away from the viewfinder, and when the AF occasionally start hunting."
>>
>> I'm reminded of the physical size every time I need to move mine.
>
> Lol...
> Of course, you have a very good point there.
> So far it still has the novelty factor with me, which place the load
> into a different mental category...
> I guess the weight reminder will hit me full force when meeting up
> with Tim at the end of the month for some serious seabird photograpy.
>
> Jostein


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Re: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz


>
> 2008/6/16 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On 16/6/08, Henk Terhell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>Cotty schreef:
 On 16/6/08, Henk Terhell, discombobulated, unleashed:

> Walking in the centre of The Hague yesterday, I heard this Chopin 
> Waltz
> coming along, obviously part of a music festival activity.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mxer/2581285273/

 I wonder if she remembered her Chopin Liszt ?
>>
>>>Yes, very well. But I think there was no Liszt on her playing liszt.
>>
>> If she holds the Handel, she won't fall off.
>>
>
> Bach off, mate.

Nah, we can Handel it. 


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Bird Learning Curve

[D. Glenn Arthur Jr.]

I finally felt well enough to use the borrowed extension ladder
to get up on the roof and look at what the roofers had done.
Then I got sufficiently distracted shooting birds and helicopters
that I forgot to take pictures of where the roof is sagging.
Oops.

More stuff I've learned about shooting birds:

If they're moving downwind and are faster than a pigeon, fuggedaboudit.

There's a nest inside my chimney (about five feet down, I think).

Lying on my back does help for tracking them across the sky, but
makes seeing what direction they'll be coming from harder.  (This
shouldn't be as much of a problem when I try to shoot the sentry
bat next month.  In past years, it has established a pretty stable
route and held to it flight after flight, night after night.  But
it'll be a factor if I try to shoot feeding bats.)

That cardinal is bloody fast, and sneaky.  But I might have a 
start on figuring out the robin's pattern.

If I have to think about it, the bird is already out of the frame.

Raptors are convenient.  They just hang there in a thermal,
waiting for me to shoot.

I don't think I'm ever gonna get that damned dragonfly.  Yes,
I know that's not a bird, bat, or helicopter; it did zip past
me at a womdigious speed a few times.


At one point I had the 100-300 zoom on, 'cause, well, I was
planning to shoot birds with it ... and two sparrows decided
to loop around my ankles.  That lens doesn't focus that close.
The rest of the afternoon the sparrows stayed too far away to
shoot at all.  I tell you, they're doin' it to me on purpose ...

Earlier, I watched a small black bird launch itself into a
headwind and get stuck.  It stayed stuck in place in midair
long enough for me to get a long lens up and pointed in the 
right direction, but not long enough for me to focus after 
that.  (But it was a really cute sight.)


The weather was working against me on the medevac helipad.  The
air doesn't look as hazy as it did last week, but I still got
a lot of fog in the frames where I tried to shoot it, about a 
mile away (uh, 1.2 miles, I think, but I can check it with my 
odometer the next time I go downtown).  The same shot just after 
dusk with the camera not braced as well a couple days ago was 
clearer.  (This afternoon I rested the camera on the chimney; a 
couple nights ago I was leaning out a window.)  I have to check 
again after I copy the photos onto my computer, but looking at 
the LCD there didn't seem to be much difference in fogging 
between the lens I don't have a UV filter for and the lens that 
had a UV filter on it, so I think it's just summer humidity.  
OTOH, the police helicopter came near enough for me to get the 
best shot of it I've managed yet.

-- Glenn

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Re: Peso Tulip dew

[Ken Waller]

Good try, but I think it needs more room to the edge on the left & the 
removal of the gold thingee in the URH corner.

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Peso Tulip dew


>I was killing a few minutes Monday, waiting to drive to the bus, when
> i had a look at my front garden. Lots of
> dew and droplets on the flowers and leaves from the previous nights t 
> storm
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7419672
>
> A dying tulip head.
>
> D200, Tamron 90 macro some LR exposure tweak
>
> Dave
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Re: PESO: Benched [advice solicited]

[Ken Waller]

> Could be a good thing, or could ruin the picture :-)

I don't see how that would ruin the picture in that the "Picture" is the 
graduated steps and the way the figure becomes the next step.

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: PESO: Benched [advice solicited]


>I don't know, But somthing tells me that there is some potential here
> in unballansing the motif. The idea in the back of my head is that
> cutting left and top wound make the girl dominate the frame more.
> Could be a good thing, or could ruin the picture :-)
>
> MaritimTim
>
> 2008/6/17 Bruce Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Bruce Walker wrote:
>>> I caught what I think has the makings of a street photo.  [...]
>>> So I could use some advice: what would you do next with this?
>>>
>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/2582652248_fc7511edd5_o.jpg
>>
>> Thank you kind folks for looking and commenting.  I have some good ideas
>> to try out here, starting with more cropping. :-)
>>
>> And Anthony: yes it's a conversion from colour which is unfortunately
>> dominated by green/grey. The grass underfoot is yellowy green, the
>> bleachers are painted dark green, and the trees in the background are
>> various shades of green.  Not helping contrast is that the woman's track
>> suit is light grey, the chainlink fence is grey and that path that
>> intersects her RHS and cuts horizontally along her leg is asphalt that
>> comes out as dirty beige here.  The complete lack of interesting colours
>> is what made me go straight to a B&W conversion, but the sameness of
>> colours also makes that conversion hard.  Or at least it is for this 
>> newbie.
>>
>> Anyways, I'll see how far I can get with it.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> -bmw


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Re: Uh oh

[Ken Waller]

> It's the sort of tool you don't bring unless you're sure to need it.

And when you don't take, it an opportunity will present itself for its use.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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Subject: Re: Uh oh


> It's the sort of tool you don't bring unless you're sure to need it.
> Need seems assured now. :-)
>
> Jostein
>
> 2008/6/16 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On 16/6/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>Guess I'll have to bring the 600 in August then. :-)
>>
>> I thought you would anyway! Since we're driving, I'll bring everything...
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Cheers,
>>  Cotty


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Re: PESO - Another 600mm shot

[Tim Øsleby]

I forgot one more thing. I think the picture you showed me the other
night deserves PESO status. I comand you to post it :-)

 MaritimTim
>
> 2008/6/17 AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> 2008/6/16 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Nice shot but I take issue with your blog ;+]
>>> "The only times I'm reminded of its physical size are when taking the eye
>>> away from the viewfinder, and when the AF occasionally start hunting."
>>>
>>> I'm reminded of the physical size every time I need to move mine.
>>
>> Lol...
>> Of course, you have a very good point there.
>> So far it still has the novelty factor with me, which place the load
>> into a different mental category...
>> I guess the weight reminder will hit me full force when meeting up
>> with Tim at the end of the month for some serious seabird photograpy.
>>
>> Jostein
>>
>>
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Re: PESO - Another 600mm shot

[Tim Øsleby]

I haven't decided about bringing along my trusty ol 500/4,5 or not. My
legs sais no, my lust for close framing sais yes. On second thoughts.
There will probably be two FA* 600/4 at the cliffs that weekend. I
think I'll simply be a free loader ;-)

MaritimTim

2008/6/17 AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/6/16 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Nice shot but I take issue with your blog ;+]
>> "The only times I'm reminded of its physical size are when taking the eye
>> away from the viewfinder, and when the AF occasionally start hunting."
>>
>> I'm reminded of the physical size every time I need to move mine.
>
> Lol...
> Of course, you have a very good point there.
> So far it still has the novelty factor with me, which place the load
> into a different mental category...
> I guess the weight reminder will hit me full force when meeting up
> with Tim at the end of the month for some serious seabird photograpy.
>
> Jostein
>
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Re: City of Shadows

[mike wilson]

It was 15 years ago.  It's the sex tourist capital of the Baltic, now.  Much 
brighter.
> 
> From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/06/17 Tue PM 01:47:04 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: City of Shadows
> 
> Fernando,
> We need to send those folks some bright paints and Mexican designers
> to get some color into their lives!  I know it's black & white, but
> it's grim...
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Glad you like them. Seems like a nice project to finally justify
> > buying that tripod. ~Wondering how many ND Filters you need to stack
> > up to do this...~
> >
> > On 6/17/08, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Those are very cool in a dark & somewhat macabre way.
> >>
> >> Thanks for posting them.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> 2008/6/17 Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > I found this really good. Long exposures (during day apparently) from
> >> > street-scenes in St. Petersburg
> >> >
> >> > www.alexeytitarenko.com/city1.html
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Re: Aston Martins with Ford Engines

[pnstenquist]

Lots of fun. Thanks for sharing.
Paul
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> Some vintage-camera shots and generally enjoyable remarks.  By the
> way, this is a remarkable blog, Alex is one of my favorite living
> photographers.
> 
> http://alexwaterhousehayward.com/blog/2008/06/my-first-love-aston-martins-with-f
> ord.html
> 
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RE: The Big Picture

[Bob W]

Very interesting, thanks. 

I'm somewhat intrigued by the photo of people releasing 400,000
plastic balls into a reservoir (ergo man-made) to prevent the sunlight
from triggering a carcinogenic chemical reaction with the chlorine and
bromide in the water. I'm not a chemist or a water-scientist in any
way, but this sounds like kludge upon kludge to me, with the plastic
likely to lead to further environmental problems somewhere down the
line. Surely the solution (no pun intended) is to remove, or not to
add, chlorine or bromide to the reservoir?

Bob 

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> >From Boston.com, a very nice picture-bloggy-sorta-thing:
> http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/
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The Big Picture

[Tim Bray]

>From Boston.com, a very nice picture-bloggy-sorta-thing:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/

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Aston Martins with Ford Engines

[Tim Bray]

Some vintage-camera shots and generally enjoyable remarks.  By the
way, this is a remarkable blog, Alex is one of my favorite living
photographers.

http://alexwaterhousehayward.com/blog/2008/06/my-first-love-aston-martins-with-ford.html

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RE: Uh oh

[Bob W]

> 
> It's the same attitude as not letting a learner driver have 
> their first go on the road in a high-powered rear-engined car 
> in the wet at rush hour.
> 

Spoilsport



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Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1

[John Francis]

I got to play with a Canon Powershot G9 last weekend.  Shutter
delay wasn't an issue.  Admittedly most of the time I wouldn't
have noticed it, anyway - I was half-pressing the shutter to
see which AF point it was choosing (a habit I've got into with
my DSLRs; although I generally have the AF set to "select", not
to "auto", it's too easy to nudge the four-way controller with
my nose).  Once the AF is done, even my ancient Powershot G1
was quite responsive.   But I did try a couple of shots where
I just pointed-and-clicked, and found it to be quite speedy.


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 06:13:13AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is  
> a clone of the Panasonic.
> Paul
> On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:
> 
> > Steve Desjardins asked:
> > "Someone mentioned that some of the P&S cameras are starting to  
> > fill the
> > niche rangefinders used to have.  I'm not agreeing with this, but  
> > what is
> > the highest quality P&S you can get?"
> >
> > A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these:
> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sigma/sigma_dp1.asp is a  
> > large sensor
> > compact.
> >
> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Ricoh/ricoh_grdigital2.asp is  
> > the
> > latest digital version of the cultish GR series.
> >
> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_cpp5100.asp &
> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_g9.asp are  
> > Nikon's and
> > Canon's highest spec versatile compacts.
> >
> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fujifilm_F100fd.asp is
> > Fujifilm's latest in the cultish F**fd  series.
> >
> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_dlux3.asp is a  
> > very nice
> > compact Leica.  There's a clone Panasonic but I don't know its name.
> >
> > Mostly the cameras I chose are not ultra compact and usually have  
> > redeeming
> > features to deserve cult status, such as exceptional low light  
> > performance,
> > a good wide angle lens, good manual controls, good viewfinders (not  
> > just the
> > rear LCD), RAW file saving, or they just look good.  If a camera  
> > doesn't
> > tick all the boxes it will be outstanding in one or more of the other
> > criteria.
> >
> > It's not a definitive list, just my feelings.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Anthony Farr.
> >
> >
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Re: Fwd: [OT] What the World Eats

[pnstenquist]

It's interesting as a glimpse into the lives of a handful of families. It's 
obviously not a valid comparison, given the size of the sample.
Paul

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> Really interesting.  One thing we Americans obviously share with our
> British cousins is the lack of fresh produce.  ;-)
> 
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
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> >>> Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/16/2008 1:52 PM >>>
> Tina posted this on SeePhoto, thought others here might be interested.
> 
> G
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> > http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1626519_1373664,00.html
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Re: Fwd: [OT] What the World Eats

[Steve Desjardins]

Really interesting.  One thing we Americans obviously share with our
British cousins is the lack of fresh produce.  ;-)

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>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/16/2008 1:52 PM >>>
Tina posted this on SeePhoto, thought others here might be interested.

G

> http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1626519_1373664,00.html


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RE: Uh oh

[Steve Desjardins]

I began when I was 14 with an SP500.  I turned the focus ring until it
was clear and I turned the aperture ring until the needle centered. 
Focusing was better and slower than with AF because I took the time to
do it and kept at it until the thing I wanted in focus was clear. 
Exposure, OTOH, was pretty automatic unless I took the time to think
beyond centering the needle. Snapshooters often don't use their cameras
enough to work out the tricks of shooting pictures like compensating for
back lighting.  Many people want a P&S even if its a Canon 1D mark II on
full auto.  (Just cross-referencing the threads ;-).

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Re: More industrial kitsch

[Christine Aguila]

Ralf:  I like both very much.  More great work here.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "Ralf R. Radermacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Mailingliste" 
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: PESO: More industrial kitsch


A classical situation - at least here in Western Europe. The day had
been lousy: cool, windy and rainy.

Just before sunset the sun came through, the wind calmed down, and the
light went from dull to gorgeous within minutes.

I've rarely seen the Albert canal so calm:

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/13243142

Later on the same night:

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/13241547

Nothing spectacular. Just liked the calm and the light.

As always, your comments and suggestions  :-)

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Re: PEF-support in various software

[Bruce Walker]

AlunFoto wrote:
> Here are the raw file converters, Interestingly, not all support all
> generations. 
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pecuhsM9jAKPaNaarWcEZBg
>   

Thanks, Jostein!

Minor point: you don't have a column to distinguish between the K100D 
and the newer K100D Super. Their .PEF files are _not_ the same and I've 
run into lots of software and utilities that handle the K100D but not 
the Super.

Fortunately that situation has improved in the last couple of months.  A 
number of upgrades released to support the K20D also happen to include 
support for the K100D Super; eg CaptureOne LE / PRO.

Cheers!

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Re: PEF-support in various software

[David Savage]

Sorry, you're right.

My brain is mush. Time for bed.

Later,

Dave

2008/6/18 Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Yup - but DNG was included in the spreadsheet and shown as not being
> supported by RawShooter, so why not mention it?
>
> -p
>
> David Savage wrote:
>> 2008/6/17 Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Jostein -
>>>
>>> Minor info FWIW - RawShooter v1.2 does seem to support DNG
>>
>> But not .pef which is the point of the survey no?
>>
>> Dave

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Re: PEF-support in various software

[Paul Sorenson]

Yup - but DNG was included in the spreadsheet and shown as not being 
supported by RawShooter, so why not mention it?

-p

David Savage wrote:
> 2008/6/17 Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Jostein -
>>
>> Minor info FWIW - RawShooter v1.2 does seem to support DNG
> 
> But not .pef which is the point of the survey no?
> 
> Dave
> 
>> AlunFoto wrote:
>>> Gang,
>>> I promised to look into how various software support the existing
>>> generations of *.PEF files.
>>>
>>> Here are the raw file converters, Interestingly, not all support all
>>> generations. The K20D has not penetrated as well as the K10D yet.
>>> Hopefully the situation will improve over summer.
>>>
>>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pecuhsM9jAKPaNaarWcEZBg
>>>
>>> Jostein
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Re: PEF-support in various software

[P. J. Alling]

Adobe?  Nice?  Adobe's become to Microsoft of imaging software, without 
the pleasant personality...

David J Brooks wrote:
> It would be nice, for those of us that do not want to or cannot
> afford, the upgrades, to have Adobe allow the newer raw files to work
> with CS and or CS2.
>
> I know they won't, but it would be nice.
>
> Dave
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> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:17 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Gang,
>> I promised to look into how various software support the existing
>> generations of *.PEF files.
>>
>> Here are the raw file converters, Interestingly, not all support all
>> generations. The K20D has not penetrated as well as the K10D yet.
>> Hopefully the situation will improve over summer.
>>
>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pecuhsM9jAKPaNaarWcEZBg
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Re: PEF-support in various software

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2008/6/17 Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Jostein -
>
> Minor info FWIW - RawShooter v1.2 does seem to support DNG

But not .pef which is the point of the survey no?

Dave

> AlunFoto wrote:
>> Gang,
>> I promised to look into how various software support the existing
>> generations of *.PEF files.
>>
>> Here are the raw file converters, Interestingly, not all support all
>> generations. The K20D has not penetrated as well as the K10D yet.
>> Hopefully the situation will improve over summer.
>>
>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pecuhsM9jAKPaNaarWcEZBg
>>
>> Jostein

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Re: PEF-support in various software

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Jostein -

Minor info FWIW - RawShooter v1.2 does seem to support DNG

-p

AlunFoto wrote:
> Gang,
> I promised to look into how various software support the existing
> generations of *.PEF files.
> 
> Here are the raw file converters, Interestingly, not all support all
> generations. The K20D has not penetrated as well as the K10D yet.
> Hopefully the situation will improve over summer.
> 
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pecuhsM9jAKPaNaarWcEZBg
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Re: PEF-support in various software

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It would be nice, for those of us that do not want to or cannot
afford, the upgrades, to have Adobe allow the newer raw files to work
with CS and or CS2.

I know they won't, but it would be nice.

Dave

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:17 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gang,
> I promised to look into how various software support the existing
> generations of *.PEF files.
>
> Here are the raw file converters, Interestingly, not all support all
> generations. The K20D has not penetrated as well as the K10D yet.
> Hopefully the situation will improve over summer.
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pecuhsM9jAKPaNaarWcEZBg
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Re: Peso Tulip dew

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like it, Dave. Tiny nit..maybe a little less stem and more room to the 
> left.(?)
>
> Jack

Thanks Jack.

I did crop it a bit but took some of the left. I ;ll see what i can do.

Dave
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>
> --- On Tue, 6/17/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Peso Tulip dew
>> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barb Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>> "Yvette Sheppard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sarah Bedford-James" <[EMAIL 
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>> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 4:06 AM
>> I was killing a few minutes Monday, waiting to drive to the
>> bus, when
>> i had a look at my front garden. Lots of
>> dew and droplets on the flowers and leaves from the
>> previous nights t storm
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7419672
>>
>> A dying tulip head.
>>
>> D200, Tamron 90 macro some LR exposure tweak
>>
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Re: Peso Tulip dew

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:16 AM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:06 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I was killing a few minutes Monday, waiting to drive to the bus, when
>> i had a look at my front garden. Lots of
>> dew and droplets on the flowers and leaves from the previous nights t storm
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7419672
>>
>> A dying tulip head.
>>
>
> >From the Charles Brazwell school...
>
> ;-)
>
> Nice shot, Dave.  You guys get any hail in Stoufville?  We got big
> ones down here by the airport (where I work) yesterday afternoon.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Thanks Frank.
No hail, but a quick hard rain shower around 3pm.

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Re: PESO: Lightsphere in softbox mode

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:36 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I found the Sigma 500 to be consistently inconsistent:-), particularly with 
> the K10D. Never tried it with the K20D.
> Paul

To be honest, i'm not sure if he had done the up grade at that time or
not. However i like my 360 i bought last year from a list member. Much
nicer to work with.

I can live with out swivil, as i'll proably get a bracket soon.

Dave

Dave
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> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Beer, or apple juice aside, that seems to do a good job for that kind of 
>> fill.
>>
>> One of the people that took that basic portrait class last year(and a
>> K10D owner)had one of these flash units on his Sigma 500.
>>
>> I always thought his shots were under exposed. I guess it was not set
>> up properly then, after seeing yours.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Here's a situation that always requires flash fill: A large brimmed
>> > hat with overhead light. I used the lightsphere in softbox position
>> > on the 540, which was set for high speed synch. That is, with the
>> > flash shooting through the cap of the Lightsphere. The distance was
>> > about 12 feet. The lens was the DA* 50-135 at 103mm. Exposure F 3.2 @
>> > 1/1000th.
>> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7418123
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Re: PESO: Lightsphere Portrait

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:02 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lite?  I don't see any Miller(R)

You would if you were at my desk

Dave
>
> David J Brooks wrote:
>> That is a well lite photo Paul
>>
>> Good one
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:27 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a pic of Grace after a hard day at the park. I shot this with the 
>>> lightsphere on the 540 flash. The exposure is close to the ambient light 
>>> value. I believe it was f3.2 @ 1/100th. The ambient light is largely window 
>>> light. Grace is facing the window. The lightsphere is being used with the 
>>> cap in place, and it's pointed at the ceiling, which is quite high and of 
>>> an olive drab color. Most of the effective light is emanating from the 
>>> sphere itself.
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7413728
>>>
>>> Paul
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Re: Uh oh

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:28 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> - Original Message -
> From: "David J Brooks"
> Subject: Re: Uh oh
>
>
>
>> I try and explain they need faster shutter speeds etc to get the
>> action forzen. They don't want to listen, or care, and carry on in
>> Auto mode.
>>
>> It happens a lot BTW.
>
> This is what over automation has done to the market. For the past couple of 
> decades, advanced
> cameras have been taking the requirement to learn basic photographic theory 
> away from the user.
> I see this dumbing down to be a bad thing overall, though if it helps your 
> sales, then it isn't
> bad for you.

It does help, some what, but i;'ll help them out if i can, or they want.

I sometime see frustrated salemen at Henrys trying to explain the
various modes in the camera to customers. They don't seem to
understand. Henrys has classes on how to work your purchase, i just
wonder how many come to them

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Re: Peso Tulip dew

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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:06 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was killing a few minutes Monday, waiting to drive to the bus, when
> i had a look at my front garden. Lots of
> dew and droplets on the flowers and leaves from the previous nights t storm
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7419672
>
> A dying tulip head.
>

>From the Charles Brazwell school...

;-)

Nice shot, Dave.  You guys get any hail in Stoufville?  We got big
ones down here by the airport (where I work) yesterday afternoon.

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Re: Peso Tulip dew

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Thanks Paul.

It looks like rain here again. Maybe some more pictures later.:-0

Dave

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:37 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nicely done. An interesting shot.
> Paul
>> --- On Tue, 6/17/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Subject: Peso Tulip dew
>> > To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barb Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> "Yvette Sheppard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sarah Bedford-James"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 4:06 AM
>> > I was killing a few minutes Monday, waiting to drive to the
>> > bus, when
>> > i had a look at my front garden. Lots of
>> > dew and droplets on the flowers and leaves from the
>> > previous nights t storm
>> >
>> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7419672
>> >
>> > A dying tulip head.
>> >
>> > D200, Tamron 90 macro some LR exposure tweak
>> >
>> > Dave
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Re: Peso Tulip dew

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Arggg. I should have known that.

Dave

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave,
> That's interesting, but it's not dying.
> It's the tulip seed pod growing after the bloom.
> Cut those of for more energy into the bulb instead of reproduction.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 6:06 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I was killing a few minutes Monday, waiting to drive to the bus, when
>> i had a look at my front garden. Lots of
>> dew and droplets on the flowers and leaves from the previous nights t storm
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7419672
>>
>> A dying tulip head.
>>
>> D200, Tamron 90 macro some LR exposure tweak
>>
>> Dave
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Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The Leica DLux-3 is sibling to the Panasonic LX2. They share all the  
hardware, other than the external case styling, but the image  
processing firmware and JPEG settings are somewhat different  
reflecting the two different companies' notions of what is best for  
their clientele. They are both manufactured by Panasonic, the Leica  
model is then subjected to additional QC scrutiny by Leica.

Aside from the sensitivity issues, in general I find these small  
pocketables poor when it comes to responsiveness (although not as bad  
as some might make out), as well as being too small and fiddly with  
respect to control ergonomics. My Rollei 35S, tiny as it was and  
peculiar as its layout seems to the new user, is a remarkably simple  
camera to learn and operate with little to get in the way of setting  
focus, aperture and exposure time, framing and making a photograph.  
Same for the Minox 35GT-E, the Contax Tix APS film camera, and the  
assortment of Minox subminiatures I hang on to for sentimental reasons.

While a lot of very good work can/has been done with the ultracompact  
digital cameras, most are simply a chore for me to work with and I  
lose more great photographs than I make with them. I have one of the  
"now cult item" Fuji F30s ... the only camera in the class that has an  
ISO 400 setting that is halfway usable imo ... and every time I take a  
few pictures with it that are good I hear myself saying "if only I'd  
had the other camera with me ..." As soon as I hear myself saying  
that, the F30 goes on the shelf and I forget it exists for a few months.

Godfrey


On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is
> a clone of the Panasonic.
> Paul
> On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:
>
>> Steve Desjardins asked:
>> "Someone mentioned that some of the P&S cameras are starting to
>> fill the
>> niche rangefinders used to have.  I'm not agreeing with this, but
>> what is
>> the highest quality P&S you can get?"
>>
>> A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these:
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sigma/sigma_dp1.asp is a
>> large sensor
>> compact.
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Ricoh/ricoh_grdigital2.asp is
>> the
>> latest digital version of the cultish GR series.
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_cpp5100.asp &
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_g9.asp are
>> Nikon's and
>> Canon's highest spec versatile compacts.
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fujifilm_F100fd.asp is
>> Fujifilm's latest in the cultish F**fd  series.
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_dlux3.asp is a
>> very nice
>> compact Leica.  There's a clone Panasonic but I don't know its name.
>>
>> Mostly the cameras I chose are not ultra compact and usually have
>> redeeming
>> features to deserve cult status, such as exceptional low light
>> performance,
>> a good wide angle lens, good manual controls, good viewfinders (not
>> just the
>> rear LCD), RAW file saving, or they just look good.  If a camera
>> doesn't
>> tick all the boxes it will be outstanding in one or more of the other
>> criteria.
>>
>> It's not a definitive list, just my feelings.
>>

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Re: PESO: cloud contrast (now with URL!)

[Axel Belinfante]

well, I'm still unsure about my choice of monitor and
its (lack of) calibration, so my first thought was actually
that this time I was seeing colours really different  :-)

but I should have known better, having followed (more or less)
this group for about a year now :-)


by the way, joining was a good thing (not counting the time spent
reading/browsing posts :-)  - not only got I answers to my initial
equipment-related questions, but also I've seen many great pictures!


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> What, and be transparent?
> 
> Axel Belinfante wrote:
> > you might have chosen less cryptic words to tell me I forgot the URL... :-)
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/axelpics/General/photo#5212592888243411266
> >
> >   
> >> It looks very "white" on my screen...
> >> 
> >
> >   
> >> Maybe slow down a little.
> >> 
> >
> >
> >   
> >>> No rain, just clouds :-)
> >>>
> >>> Quick grab out of the window when I noticed
> >>> the difference between sky left and right.
> >>>
> >>> K10d with DA 10-17.
> >>>   
> >>>  Axel.
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Re: PESO: cloud contrast (now with URL!)

[Axel Belinfante]

what you see are the edge of the roof (right)
and edge of the revolving window (left).
both indeed do hang over a bit.

thanks for looking,
Axel.


> Interesting to see the buildings hanging over you with the fisheye.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Axel Belinfante
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > you might have chosen less cryptic words to tell me I forgot the URL... :-)
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/axelpics/General/photo#5212592888243411266
> >
> >> It looks very "white" on my screen...
> >
> >> Maybe slow down a little.
> >
> >
> >> > No rain, just clouds :-)
> >> >
> >> > Quick grab out of the window when I noticed
> >> > the difference between sky left and right.
> >> >
> >> > K10d with DA 10-17.
> >>
> >> >  Axel.
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Re: PESO: cloud contrast (now with URL!)

[Axel Belinfante]

involves stepping out of the window.

I'm not sure what would be best.
I have been thinking about cropping a bit, but...

I think I'd hate to loose the left part, with the
building with red roof.
Somehow making the yellow sun sreens less bright
might be an improvement.
same way, cropping enough to loose the light seems
also to loose a lot of the sky.

thanks for your comments!
Axel.

> I love playing with the fisheye!
> 
> On this shot, one might move a bit closer (unless that
> involves stepping off the balcony!) or narrowing the
> field of view a bit--the street light and yellow
> something on the left are a bit distracting.
> 
> Rick
> 
> --- Axel Belinfante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> > you might have chosen less cryptic words to tell me
> > I forgot the URL... :-)
> > 
> >
> http://picasaweb.google.com/axelpics/General/photo#5212592888243411266
> > 
> > > It looks very "white" on my screen...
> > 
> > > Maybe slow down a little.
> > 
> > 
> > > > No rain, just clouds :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Quick grab out of the window when I noticed
> > > > the difference between sky left and right.
> > > > 
> > > > K10d with DA 10-17.
> > > 
> > > >  Axel.
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PEF-support in various software

[AlunFoto]

Gang,
I promised to look into how various software support the existing
generations of *.PEF files.

Here are the raw file converters, Interestingly, not all support all
generations. The K20D has not penetrated as well as the K10D yet.
Hopefully the situation will improve over summer.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pecuhsM9jAKPaNaarWcEZBg

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Re: PESO: cloud contrast (now with URL!)

[Axel Belinfante]

thanks for showing this!
no need to remove it sooner than you wish.

i'v still got a lot  -- ok, I'll be honest, all :-)
to learn regarding digital darkrooming.
only darkroom skills I vaguely recall are non-digital,
but what you described sounds a bit like the trick
of giving some parts more/less light while exposing the paper.
right now I shouldn't invest serious amounts of time
in learning new skills (other things need finishing first -
or am I just afraid of the cold water? :-)
hopefully I'll have more time after the summer.

that said, I appreciate it even more to see what can be done,
really!
thanks again.

Axel.


> You can loosen up the contrast a little this way...
> 
> Create a new layer and change its mode to "Screen" to create a lighter 
> layer, then use a layer mask to let the sky/clouds and the street bleed 
> through from the darker layer.  I used 100% mask on the sky and about 
> 25% on the street and building w/the yellow awnings on the left.  Not 
> exactly HDR but it does open the shadows some.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~allaround6/quickpage/axel-layered.jpg
> 
> Axel, I'll remove this w/in 24 hours, sooner if you'd like.
> 
> -p
> 
> AlunFoto wrote:
> > Tough contrast range.
> > I'm playing around with HDR and tone compression tools these days, and
> > I think it would have been possible to render detail in both the
> > highlights and the deep shadows in a scene like this without
> > compromising the feeling of extreme contrast. -If you had bracketed
> > exposures of the scene, that is, of course.
> > 
> > Looks like a major shower brooding on the left there...
> > 
> > Jostein
> > 
> > 2008/6/17 Axel Belinfante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> you might have chosen less cryptic words to tell me I forgot the URL... :-)
> >>
> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/axelpics/General/photo#5212592888243411266
> >>
> >>> It looks very "white" on my screen...
> >>> Maybe slow down a little.
> >>
>  No rain, just clouds :-)
> 
>  Quick grab out of the window when I noticed
>  the difference between sky left and right.
> 
>  K10d with DA 10-17.
>   Axel.
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Re: PESO: Lightsphere Portrait

[P. J. Alling]

Lite?  I don't see any Miller®

David J Brooks wrote:
> That is a well lite photo Paul
>
> Good one
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:27 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Here's a pic of Grace after a hard day at the park. I shot this with the 
>> lightsphere on the 540 flash. The exposure is close to the ambient light 
>> value. I believe it was f3.2 @ 1/100th. The ambient light is largely window 
>> light. Grace is facing the window. The lightsphere is being used with the 
>> cap in place, and it's pointed at the ceiling, which is quite high and of an 
>> olive drab color. Most of the effective light is emanating from the sphere 
>> itself.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7413728
>>
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Re: PESO: cloud contrast (now with URL!)

[P. J. Alling]

I know you were trying to accentuate the clouds, but you could lighten 
up the foreground a bit.

Axel Belinfante wrote:
> you might have chosen less cryptic words to tell me I forgot the URL... :-)
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/axelpics/General/photo#5212592888243411266
>
>   
>> It looks very "white" on my screen...
>> 
>
>   
>> Maybe slow down a little.
>> 
>
>
>   
>>> No rain, just clouds :-)
>>>
>>> Quick grab out of the window when I noticed
>>> the difference between sky left and right.
>>>
>>> K10d with DA 10-17.
>>>   
>>>  Axel.
>>>   
>
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Re: PESO: cloud contrast (now with URL!)

[P. J. Alling]

What, and be transparent?

Axel Belinfante wrote:
> you might have chosen less cryptic words to tell me I forgot the URL... :-)
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/axelpics/General/photo#5212592888243411266
>
>   
>> It looks very "white" on my screen...
>> 
>
>   
>> Maybe slow down a little.
>> 
>
>
>   
>>> No rain, just clouds :-)
>>>
>>> Quick grab out of the window when I noticed
>>> the difference between sky left and right.
>>>
>>> K10d with DA 10-17.
>>>   
>>>  Axel.
>>>   
>
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Re: PESO: cloud contrast (now with URL!)

[Rick Womer]

Axel,

I love playing with the fisheye!

On this shot, one might move a bit closer (unless that
involves stepping off the balcony!) or narrowing the
field of view a bit--the street light and yellow
something on the left are a bit distracting.

Rick

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> you might have chosen less cryptic words to tell me
> I forgot the URL... :-)
> 
>
http://picasaweb.google.com/axelpics/General/photo#5212592888243411266
> 
> > It looks very "white" on my screen...
> 
> > Maybe slow down a little.
> 
> 
> > > No rain, just clouds :-)
> > > 
> > > Quick grab out of the window when I noticed
> > > the difference between sky left and right.
> > > 
> > > K10d with DA 10-17.
> > 
> > >  Axel.
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Re: City of Shadows

[Fernando]

I'm in a grim mood lately...

I'll try to find an "urban sombrero", that might help

 :-)

On 6/17/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fernando,
> We need to send those folks some bright paints and Mexican designers
> to get some color into their lives!  I know it's black & white, but
> it's grim...
> Regards,  Bob S.
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> > buying that tripod. ~Wondering how many ND Filters you need to stack
> > up to do this...~
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> > On 6/17/08, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Those are very cool in a dark & somewhat macabre way.
> >>
> >> Thanks for posting them.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> 2008/6/17 Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > I found this really good. Long exposures (during day apparently) from
> >> > street-scenes in St. Petersburg
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Re: City of Shadows

[David Savage]

ND filters would do it.

You can also use the in camera multiple exposure function to achieve a
similar result.

Cheers,

Dave

2008/6/17 Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Glad you like them. Seems like a nice project to finally justify
> buying that tripod. ~Wondering how many ND Filters you need to stack
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>>
>> Thanks for posting them.
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>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
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>> 2008/6/17 Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > I found this really good. Long exposures (during day apparently) from
>> > street-scenes in St. Petersburg
>> >
>> > www.alexeytitarenko.com/city1.html

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