Re: July PUG?

2009-07-24 Thread Cotty

 
 I see now that there is a pun thread all about my
 tardiness.  Made my day.
 

Sorry, no.  The puns were on the aviation theme.  You were utterly
neglected, pun-wise.

But we can try to fix that...

Well, let's just see what develops.


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Re: July PUG?

2009-07-24 Thread Joseph McAllister


On Jul 23, 2009, at 23:48 , Cotty wrote:



I see now that there is a pun thread all about my
tardiness.  Made my day.



Sorry, no.  The puns were on the aviation theme.  You were utterly
neglected, pun-wise.

But we can try to fix that...


Well, let's just see what develops


Oh please, Stop It!


Joseph McAllister
pentax...@mac.com

There is no off position to the genius switch.
Genius can, however, be observed as insanity.


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Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued

2009-07-24 Thread Thibouille
About 'RAW histogram':

Not AFAIK but so called 'Pro cameras' may do so.
I highly doubt about it though: if WB influences histogram (and it
does) there's no way to do a really useful 'RAW histogram' because
even if it was available, the resulting histogram following a WB
change would not be the same as the so-called 'RAW histogram'.

So in the end, there's no point in a 'RAW histogram', unfortunately
and when possible, WB choice prior to the shoot is and will always be
better. Otherwise there would not be so many (expensive) accessories
for managing the WB.

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Re: How to lose a sale

2009-07-24 Thread mike wilson

 Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: 
 I was in a shoe shop today, looking at shoes (surprise, surprise). I had my
 M8 hanging from my shoulder. After staring disconsolately at the footwear on
 offer I heard somebody muttering something in my ear. It was a shop
 assistant. 
 
 Is that old thing an SLR or a rangefinder?

There's a clue as to the quality of conversation you are about to have.

 It's a rangefinder 
 Does it still work?, he said, laughing. He was really taking the piss out
 of the camera.
 What do you mean?
 In this digital day and age! Does manual film still work?
 It's digital
 Digital? That?! It likes a really old thing. Is it a Rioch (sic)?
 A what?
 A Rioch
 No, it's a Leica
 Man! That looks so old!
 
 I can't imagine how he expected to get a sale out of me after that, even if
 they'd had any shoes I wanted to buy. 
 
 Just to keep it on topic, as I was walking away shaking my head in disbelief
 I heard him tell one of his colleagues that he had a Pentax K1000.

You should have asked him about the new autowalk shoes with rare-earth 
antigravity magnets.

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Re: semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page

2009-07-24 Thread mike wilson

 ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: 
 Appreciate any comments and certainly if you see a link or a stupid typo 
 let me know -- but only if you happen on it
 or have no life and look at everything :-)

Too much coming up in the yellow boxes.  They only last about 3 seconds and a 
terse sentence is the most you can thoroughly absorb in that time.  The other 
stuff (or, indeed, all of it) would be better underneath the relevant 
picture/link.

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Re: Whats a DS worth these days?

2009-07-24 Thread mike wilson

 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Recent completed listings on Ebay for the DS body-only show auctions
 completed successfully in and around the $205-220 range.
 
 The 18-55 kit lens sells new, by itself, for $175 or so. With a body,
 new, it adds $100 to the cost of the body only package. Completed
 auctions on the K2000 + kit lens are around $300 or so.
 
 I'd estimate from that a fair price for the *ist DS plus kit lens to
 be in the neighborhood of $250.

I plucked the same number, but in sterling, from my nether regions as an amount 
I would be happy with from someone who would not come running back with every 
little problem.  Always a difficulty when you sell to friends and relatives.  I 
would therefore charge more for them.

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RE: Kodak DC 25 camera and files.

2009-07-24 Thread John Coyle
Dave I still have a working Iomega 100MB drive in my office.  It's a long
way from me to you, but I can help out if you like.  Transfer to CD be the
way to go?



John in Brisbane


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Subject: Kodak DC 25 camera and files.

I used to own this digital camera, picked it up in 1997.

I have an older iomega zip drive, 100meg, that i have the dc25 files stored
on.

I have tried to find the software via a google search, but it seems
unavailable.

I have a few photos of my parents at their 50th wedding lunch i would
like to try and get off the disk.

Whats the chances any one on the list used the camera and has the
software.??? None i suppose.

I cannot remember if the zip drive(plugs into the printer port)
required software or not.

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Re: How to lose a sale

2009-07-24 Thread AlunFoto
Interesting story.

Bet his knowledge about shoes was on par with his knowledge about cameras...

Jostein

2009/7/23 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
 I was in a shoe shop today, looking at shoes (surprise, surprise). I had my
 M8 hanging from my shoulder. After staring disconsolately at the footwear on
 offer I heard somebody muttering something in my ear. It was a shop
 assistant.

 Is that old thing an SLR or a rangefinder?
 It's a rangefinder
 Does it still work?, he said, laughing. He was really taking the piss out
 of the camera.
 What do you mean?
 In this digital day and age! Does manual film still work?
 It's digital
 Digital? That?! It likes a really old thing. Is it a Rioch (sic)?
 A what?
 A Rioch
 No, it's a Leica
 Man! That looks so old!

 I can't imagine how he expected to get a sale out of me after that, even if
 they'd had any shoes I wanted to buy.

 Just to keep it on topic, as I was walking away shaking my head in disbelief
 I heard him tell one of his colleagues that he had a Pentax K1000.

 Bob


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Re: Every time you miss a shot ...

2009-07-24 Thread Anthony Farr
2009/7/24 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:

 But; does God kill a baby duck if you miss a shot while franticly changing
 lenses?


I doubt it, because everyone knows that 'Lord love(s) a duck'.

regards, Anthony

   Of what use is lens and light
to those who lack in mind and sight
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RE: OT - Polaroid again?

2009-07-24 Thread Bob W
there is a thriving market in Lomos, Holgas and suchlike, and over here the
Photographers' Gallery seems to do a decent trade in small wooden pinhole
cameras that use 35mm film. I should think a new Polaroid camera would be
pitched at the same market segment and would stand a decent chance of making
a small living for itself. 

http://www.zeroimage.com/web2003/EntryPage/entryFrameset.htm


 
 It sounds like a strange business idea to me (or I don't understand
 what exactly they are trying to do), but who knows
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090720/us_time/08599191053600
 



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RE: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued

2009-07-24 Thread Bob W
 
 About 'RAW histogram':
 
 Not AFAIK but so called 'Pro cameras' may do so.
 I highly doubt about it though: if WB influences histogram (and it
 does) there's no way to do a really useful 'RAW histogram' because
 even if it was available, the resulting histogram following a WB
 change would not be the same as the so-called 'RAW histogram'.
 
 So in the end, there's no point in a 'RAW histogram', unfortunately
 and when possible, WB choice prior to the shoot is and will always be
 better. Otherwise there would not be so many (expensive) accessories
 for managing the WB.
 
 -- 
 Thibault Massart aka Thibouille

I don't really understand the point you are making in the second paragraph,
and it doesn't feel right to me. But in any case I think you're probably
wrong in the first paragraph. All sorts of factors affect the 'raw'
histogram, not just white balance - it's clear to see this when you use
something like Lightroom on raw files - but that does not mean that it would
be no use in the camera.

I have 2 so-called pro cameras and as far as I know neither of them bases
the histogram on the raw files.

As an aid to exposure a histogram based on the raw data should, if my
understanding is correct, be more accurate than one based on a jpeg.
However, my guess is that the accuracy of the output is limited by the
resolution of the display on the back of the camera, which is much smaller
than is likely to be available on your computer. So although the camera
could easily calculate the histogram from the many megapixels of raw data
available to it, it would then have to start removing accuracy to be able to
display it, so it needs a set of rules to decide how to reduce the accuracy
of the output. Perhaps using a jpeg conversion is that set of rules. This is
purely guesswork, but it seems to make some kind of sense to me.

Bob



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DA* 200/2.8 on film

2009-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

Thanks to Derby this web page 
(http://liberman-family.com/boris/da_lenses_on_film.html) got updated 
again. This time with DA* 200/2.8 shots.


Cheers!

Boris

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Re: K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons

2009-07-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24/07/2009, Joseph Tainter jtain...@mindspring.com wrote:
 This guy has posted the best controlled comparison I have seen of noise
 levels in the two cameras:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/51031...@n00/sets/72157621362031046/

 Navigate through until you get to the original size images.

 Pentax claimed that the K7 would have lower noise. This is clearly not so.
 The difference is especially apparent at ISO 3200 and 6400 (both of which I
 would like to use).

 I'm glad I haven't yet bought a K7. I may still buy one, but not for better
 noise. Or I may wait to see what testing shows when the K8 comes out.

 Some reports claim that Pentax implemented less noise reduction in RAW
 images from the K7, and that this accounts for its poorer noise performance.
 I don't know whether this is true or just BS.

 From what I read, the K7 is a fine camera in other respects.

Joe just bear in mind too that this is a short exposure high ISO noise
test, the results may be quite different at lower ambient light
levels. Not that I expect that much difference, can't make a silk
purse

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Re: K20 vs K100 smackdown continued

2009-07-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24/07/2009, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 As an aid to exposure a histogram based on the raw data should, if my
 understanding is correct, be more accurate than one based on a jpeg.
 However, my guess is that the accuracy of the output is limited by the
 resolution of the display on the back of the camera, which is much smaller
 than is likely to be available on your computer. So although the camera
 could easily calculate the histogram from the many megapixels of raw data
 available to it, it would then have to start removing accuracy to be able to
 display it, so it needs a set of rules to decide how to reduce the accuracy
 of the output. Perhaps using a jpeg conversion is that set of rules. This is
 purely guesswork, but it seems to make some kind of sense to me.

The histogram will only ever be a rough representation of the
luminance levels as there aren't enough horizontal pixels on the
display to cover the luminance levels that the camera can record.

The practical problem is that the on-camera histogram is
representative of the RAW data constrained by the JPG engine gamut and
WB selections rather than a representation of the actual sensors black
point and saturation levels. That type of data would be useful.

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Re: July PUG?

2009-07-24 Thread mike wilson

 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: 
 
 On Jul 23, 2009, at 23:48 , Cotty wrote:
 
 
  I see now that there is a pun thread all about my
  tardiness.  Made my day.
 
 
  Sorry, no.  The puns were on the aviation theme.  You were utterly
  neglected, pun-wise.
 
  But we can try to fix that...
 
  Well, let's just see what develops
 
 Oh please, Stop It!

Can't you see anything positive in this?

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Re: Kodak DC 25 camera and files.

2009-07-24 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks John.

I have the files off the zip drive and on the computer hard drive.
Just burn to do a CD and find some way to convert the kodak files that
were not done. Most were

Dave

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:04 AM, John Coylejco...@powerup.com.au wrote:
 Dave I still have a working Iomega 100MB drive in my office.  It's a long
 way from me to you, but I can help out if you like.  Transfer to CD be the
 way to go?



 John in Brisbane


 -Original Message-
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 David J Brooks
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 8:38 PM
 To: Pentax Discuss
 Subject: Kodak DC 25 camera and files.

 I used to own this digital camera, picked it up in 1997.

 I have an older iomega zip drive, 100meg, that i have the dc25 files stored
 on.

 I have tried to find the software via a google search, but it seems
 unavailable.

 I have a few photos of my parents at their 50th wedding lunch i would
 like to try and get off the disk.

 Whats the chances any one on the list used the camera and has the
 software.??? None i suppose.

 I cannot remember if the zip drive(plugs into the printer port)
 required software or not.

 Dave

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Re: K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons

2009-07-24 Thread AlunFoto
2009/7/23 Joseph Tainter jtain...@mindspring.com:
 Pentax claimed that the K7 would have lower noise. This is clearly not so.
 The difference is especially apparent at ISO 3200 and 6400 (both of which I
 would like to use).

When I look at those images, it strikes me that the K20D pics looks
slightly underexposed. I downloaded the ISO 1600 images and compared
the histograms, and that only reinforced the impression. However I
don't have any photo editing software on the computer I'm at today, so
I can't lift the K20D image to see how comparable brightness affects
the noise comparison. I suspect they will become quite similar,
though.


 I'm glad I haven't yet bought a K-7. I may still buy one, but not for better
 noise. Or I may wait to see what testing shows when the K8 comes out.

Some rumor mill had it that 8 was avoided because of Asian
connotations about bad luck, and that K-9 was unacceptable to cat
lovers. Or something. :-)

Seriously, though, I personally believe the K-7 to be a sort of
one-off; a test-bed for technology intended for the 645 due next year.

Jostein

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Re: K20 Shutter noise.

2009-07-24 Thread Thibouille
Yep, compared to my K10D, K-7 is silent as possible.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:27 AM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 I never found the K20 shutter to be objectionably loud. However, the K7
 shutter is considerably quieter.
 Paul
 On Jul 17, 2009, at 11:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 I'm getting a bit tired of reading all these reviews of how noisy the K20
 shutter is.  Last night I was at an event where there were a couple of other
 photographers with their DSLR of choice, a Nikon D90 user and a Sony user,
 (I think he was using an A100, it had two dials, on either side of the prism
 anyway), both commented favorably on how quiet the shutter was on the K20.
  I don't know what the reviewers are comparing the K20 shutter noise to but
 it sure isn't other real world DSLRs.

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Re: K-7 and 77 Ltd

2009-07-24 Thread AlunFoto
That must be a K-9.

Jostein

2009/7/24 wendy beard pointyp...@gmail.com:
 http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/115306358

 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Misereremiser...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe it's just me, but how about a photo *OF* the K-7 with the 77 Ltd?

 I'm not dogging the doggie pics, I just want some camera/lens porn.

 Please...?


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Re: Every time you miss a shot ...

2009-07-24 Thread AlunFoto
2009/7/24 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
 I came up with a T-shirt I want. JB and I were talking about lenses
 and he accused me of being a lens junkie. I replied:

 Every time you miss a shot because you don't have the right lens,
 God kills a kitten.

You can thank me that the world is not overrun by felines.

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Re: PESO -- Happy Dog

2009-07-24 Thread Jack Davis
Good lens and very well exposed image. Looks like 'Happy' has a case of what I 
believe is called cherry eye.(?)

Jack 

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO -- Happy Dog
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 8:34 PM
 I've been going through the shots I
 made while testing the K20 and some are acceptable...
 
 http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20happydog.html
 
 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0
 
 Notes:  Popup flash green, (doggy version of red eye)
 and all...
 
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Re: PESO -- Old Painted Wall

2009-07-24 Thread Jack Davis
Appealing shot.

Jack

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO -- Old Painted Wall
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 8:52 PM
 I can't find peeling paint that's as
 interesting as others can...
 
 http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20oldpaintedwall.html
 
 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax 135mm f2.5
 
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July PUG worth a look!

2009-07-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Some great pics in the July pug. HIghlights for me were Ken Waller and  
Walter Hamler's Blue Angel pics, Christine's shot of a plane ascending  
into the clouds, Robb's seaplane, Ted Beilby's wingwalker and biplane,  
Dan Matyola's classic airborne refueling pic, and as an example of a  
really nice composition, Rick Womer's shot of a small plane at rest.

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RE: K-7 and 77 Ltd

2009-07-24 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Wow.  Filled the request, took a great shot, and made a great pun.  You are on 
a roll.  And that really is a great shot.  So maybe it wasn't the K-7 after all 
. . .not that I could afford the Canon.  ;-)

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http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/115306358

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Misereremiser...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe it's just me, but how about a photo *OF* the K-7 with the 77 Ltd?

 I'm not dogging the doggie pics, I just want some camera/lens porn.

 Please...?


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RE: OT The PEN Story

2009-07-24 Thread Desjardins, Steve
That's a really absorbing piece.  Beautifully done.

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That ones been around on the net few a few weeks. Doesn't matter! It's
still brilliant.



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 Hi Guys,

 I was sent the following link, it's a 3min ad for the new Oly Pen,
 interesting, someone in marketing let go of the creative reins:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Et7UQh1tg

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Re: K-7 and 77 Ltd

2009-07-24 Thread Bruce Walker

wendy beard wrote:

http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/115306358

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Misereremiser...@gmail.com wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but how about a photo *OF* the K-7 with the 77 Ltd?

I'm not dogging the doggie pics, I just want some camera/lens porn.

Please...?


 --M.


Sonofabitch! That's a great shot, Wendy! Your dog must have a good 
camera.  :-)


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Re: K-7 and 77 Ltd

2009-07-24 Thread Mark Roberts
wendy beard wrote:

http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/115306358
Right. Now if you want to really impress us, have the *dog* take a
shot of *you* with the K7 and 77 Ltd.


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Re: July PUG worth a look!

2009-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for looking and commenting.

Dan

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 Some great pics in the July pug. HIghlights for me were Ken Waller and
 Walter Hamler's Blue Angel pics, Christine's shot of a plane ascending into
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 Matyola's classic airborne refueling pic, and as an example of a really nice
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Re: JULY PUG is up

2009-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Wonderful!

Thanks again, so much, Scott, for all your efforts and you talents on
our behalf.

Dan

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Re: JULY PUG is up

2009-07-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Pretty good collection of shots!  I'd give it an A.  The variety of
compositions and technical quality are excellent.  Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO -- Manure Spreader

2009-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
We've got a lot of manure spreaders around here G

Dan

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Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Went to a friend's brother's 60th birthday party.  Took lots of photos, few
 interesting to anyone who wasn't there.  There was this however...

 http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20manurespreader.html

 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6.



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Re: Every time you miss a shot ...

2009-07-24 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Larry Colen 
Subject: Every time you miss a shot ...






Every time you miss a shot because you don't have the right lens,
God kills a kitten.


God kills kittens because he can.

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Re: JULY PUG is up

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling

Scott Loveless wrote:

July PUG is up.  http://pug.komkon.org/  August is still open.

  

Everyone's submission was at least good, except for mine...

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Re: July PUG?

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling

Joseph McAllister wrote:


On Jul 23, 2009, at 23:48 , Cotty wrote:



I see now that there is a pun thread all about my
tardiness.  Made my day.



Sorry, no.  The puns were on the aviation theme.  You were utterly
neglected, pun-wise.

But we can try to fix that...


Well, let's just see what develops


Oh please, Stop It!

I think this thread should be just set out to dry.


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RE: PESO -- Happy Dog

2009-07-24 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Another dog picture!  Clearly we are entering the dog days of summer.

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Good lens and very well exposed image. Looks like 'Happy' has a case of what I 
believe is called cherry eye.(?)

Jack 

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 Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 8:34 PM
 I've been going through the shots I
 made while testing the K20 and some are acceptable...
 
 http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20happydog.html
 
 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0
 
 Notes:  Popup flash green, (doggy version of red eye)
 and all...
 
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Re: semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page

2009-07-24 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Ann

That all looks pretty smick

Attractive layout and logical interface.  I really like the On the Road
Again, Jim Thorpe PA and (dare I say it) the Ashley galleries.



Cheers

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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:41 -0400, ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
wrote:
 I mean, it IS photography , and there are a ton of photos taken with a 
 Pentax LX  or KX .  
 
 I did a new banner (newnew, as I slightly changed the one from a day or 
 two ago ) and simplified
 the front page...  reorganized a lot...  more to do, but except for 
 possibly puting a link on the index
 page to my cafepress store directly in the footer  and using  html to 
 name names of other sites instead
 of the http:// blah blah  stuff (I do know HOW to do this - but have 
 other things more pressing at the moment )
 
 Got inspired by both Doug and Christine to finally get this done - and 
 the fact that I'm getting  a bit of help
 with rent now so I'm not so crazed listing things on eekbay has helped.
 
 sooo have a look-see , gang,   on my monitor with my settings in 
 Firefox, explorer and even old Netscape it looks
 right to me.  I should look at it on other machines .  
 
 Appreciate any comments and certainly if you see a link or a stupid typo 
 let me know -- but only if you happen on it
 or have no life and look at everything :-)
 
 I would like it if the page stretched -- but  unless I got heavily into 
 css that isn't going to happen because of the preferred
 theme I'm using on the site...or the smugmug techies get around to a 
 stretchy black background style.  
 
 so here you are!
 
 ann sanfedele photography at:
 http://annsan.smugmug.com
 
 
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Re: July PUG?

2009-07-24 Thread Scott Loveless
On 7/24/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Joseph McAllister wrote:

 
  On Jul 23, 2009, at 23:48 , Cotty wrote:
 
 
  
   

 I see now that there is a pun thread all about my
 tardiness.  Made my day.


   
Sorry, no.  The puns were on the aviation theme.  You were utterly
neglected, pun-wise.
   
But we can try to fix that...
   
  
   Well, let's just see what develops
  
 
  Oh please, Stop It!
 
  I think this thread should be just set out to dry.

Go with the flo, PJ.

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July PUG

2009-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
WOW!  A truly superb PUG.  There are very few things I like better
than photography and aircraft, and when them come together, I am happy
indeed.  This gallery has a broad spectrum of aviation shots, from the
marvelous views of the Blue Angels (one of my favorite acts of all
time) to very personal views of flying and traveling.  I enjoyed them
all.

My favorite is High up by Carl Gjersem.  The composition is just
perfect, and the overwhelming blue sky beckons to come explore.  A
wonderful image.

Even though I think we have seen it before, as a PESO, my second
favorite is Plane and Cloud by Christine Aguila.  Great eye,
wonderful catch, perfect execution.

 A few other comments:

Traveling by Bob Sullivan:  I've been there;  we have all been
there.  Why didn't I take that shot.  (Actually, I tried to once or
twice, but never with the fine results that Bob achieved.)

In the depth of the sky by Igor Roshchin.  Another view that we have
all seen, but never been able to capture as well as Igor did.  Very
nice indeed.

Griswold Airport viewed from Hammonsset State Park by P. J. Alling.
This really appeals to something in my.  The image captures very well
the romance of the small landing field in the middle of nowhere.  It
makes me want to get out there and explore again.

Gather Up Men by Walter Hamler.  Wonderful capture and great
composition.  I feel like I am in the fourth plane, ready to join the
formation.

I really enjoyed this gallery.  Thanks to all who submitted their work.

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RE: Every time you miss a shot ...

2009-07-24 Thread Desjardins, Steve
So says Pope Bill I.

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- Original Message - 
From: Larry Colen 
Subject: Every time you miss a shot ...



 
 Every time you miss a shot because you don't have the right lens,
 God kills a kitten.

God kills kittens because he can.

William Robb

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Re: PESO -- Old Painted Wall

2009-07-24 Thread Brian Walters
Something tells me I'd like to see that in colour.


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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:52 -0400, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can't find peeling paint that's as interesting as others can...
 
 http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20oldpaintedwall.html
 
 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax 135mm f2.5
 
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Re: OT - Polaroid again?

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Those cameras look like the exact opposite of Holgas and Lomos.  Small 
Objet des Arts, not cheap plastic toys. 


Bob W wrote:

there is a thriving market in Lomos, Holgas and suchlike, and over here the
Photographers' Gallery seems to do a decent trade in small wooden pinhole
cameras that use 35mm film. I should think a new Polaroid camera would be
pitched at the same market segment and would stand a decent chance of making
a small living for itself. 


http://www.zeroimage.com/web2003/EntryPage/entryFrameset.htm


  

It sounds like a strange business idea to me (or I don't understand
what exactly they are trying to do), but who knows
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090720/us_time/08599191053600






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Re: PESO -- Tutu

2009-07-24 Thread Brian Walters
Now that's just sad.

Not the shot (I like it) but the concept.  I hope that pooch peed on the
driver's seat.


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On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:46 -0400, P. J. Alling
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 No connection except I took the image, thank the powers.
 
 http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20tutu.html
 
 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5,6
 
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FS: Lenses, Camera, TC's, Tripod

2009-07-24 Thread Jerome Reyes

For sale now via eBay:

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX Macro for Pentax AF   http://tinyurl.com/nkrpzk
Pentax A* 400mm / f 2.8 ED [IF] Telephoto   http://tinyurl.com/lme39x
Pentax SMC FA 50mm f1.7 f/1.7 AF Prime Lens  http://tinyurl.com/m2ffon


For sale next week (or now via best offer). I haven't done my research 
yet, but I'll put my guess for the price neighborhood.


Pentax F AF 1.7x Teleconverter (no price yet)
Pentax 1.4x-L Teleconverter  (170)
Pentax SMCP-FA 20-35mm f/4 (no price yet)
Bogen 3036 tripod legs (70)
Bogen 3038 tripod head (45)
Leg wraps for aforementioned tripod (12)

Photos of Teleconverters: http://celebratelove.us/ebay/tcs



For sale at some point soon:

Pentax K10D Body
D-BG2 Battery Grip for Pentax K10D  K20D Digital
AF-540 FGZ P-TTL Shoe Mount Flash

Everything is either in very good or excellent condition. BTW, this 
email address is only used for list traffic and I don't monitor it very 
closely (lots of junk mail via the list these days). With that in mind, 
please contact me at jerome at celebratelove dot us. Thanks!


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Re: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk

2009-07-24 Thread Brian Walters
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:32 -0400, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is why I carry a camera everywhere...
 
 I was walking in downtown Madison CT.  Once but no longer a rural town, 
 and turned a corner surprising this beauty dining on a small rabbet 
 alfresco.  He took off in a flurry of feathers surprising the heck out 
 of me carrying his lunch with him, to make a visit to the local BOA 
 branch.  I shot a few shots of him, (you can just see his lunch on the 
 peak of the roof. He didn't look happy with me.
 
 http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtailhawk.html
 
 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6
 
 I decided to give Dropbox a try.  It looks promising. 
 


Nice grab.  

Glad you're finding Dropbox useful.  I'm wondering whether it will
remain ad-free once it gets to Version 1.  We'll see. 



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Re: PESO -- Happy Dog

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Dog days HAR!  Right now it's raining and despite the official 
temperature it feels cold, and except for yesterday it's been that way 
for most of the summer.  I still have hopes for August.


Desjardins, Steve wrote:

Another dog picture!  Clearly we are entering the dog days of summer.

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Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:00 AM
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Subject: Re: PESO -- Happy Dog

Good lens and very well exposed image. Looks like 'Happy' has a case of what I believe is 
called cherry eye.(?)

Jack 


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From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
Subject: PESO -- Happy Dog
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Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 8:34 PM
I've been going through the shots I
made while testing the K20 and some are acceptable...

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20happydog.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0

Notes:  Popup flash green, (doggy version of red eye)
and all...

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Re: PESO -- Happy Dog

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes he does, the vet tells me that as long as it isn't irritated 
removing it is just a cosmetic procedure. 


Jack Davis wrote:

Good lens and very well exposed image. Looks like 'Happy' has a case of what I believe is 
called cherry eye.(?)

Jack 


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Subject: PESO -- Happy Dog
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I've been going through the shots I
made while testing the K20 and some are acceptable...

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20happydog.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0

Notes:  Popup flash green, (doggy version of red eye)
and all...

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either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with
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Re: July PUG

2009-07-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dan,
Thanks for the notice on my modest photo.
Like you, I enjoyed the shots out the windows as excellent.
I've tried, but never gotten as good as Igor's or Graydon Saunders'.
Of course, High up by Carl Gjersem is a favorite.  Simply stunning,
in a gallery of great photos!
Mark, this would make the start of a great Blurb book...
Regards, Bob S.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 WOW!  A truly superb PUG.  There are very few things I like better
 than photography and aircraft, and when them come together, I am happy
 indeed.  This gallery has a broad spectrum of aviation shots, from the
 marvelous views of the Blue Angels (one of my favorite acts of all
 time) to very personal views of flying and traveling.  I enjoyed them
 all.

 My favorite is High up by Carl Gjersem.  The composition is just
 perfect, and the overwhelming blue sky beckons to come explore.  A
 wonderful image.

 Even though I think we have seen it before, as a PESO, my second
 favorite is Plane and Cloud by Christine Aguila.  Great eye,
 wonderful catch, perfect execution.

  A few other comments:

 Traveling by Bob Sullivan:  I've been there;  we have all been
 there.  Why didn't I take that shot.  (Actually, I tried to once or
 twice, but never with the fine results that Bob achieved.)

 In the depth of the sky by Igor Roshchin.  Another view that we have
 all seen, but never been able to capture as well as Igor did.  Very
 nice indeed.

 Griswold Airport viewed from Hammonsset State Park by P. J. Alling.
 This really appeals to something in my.  The image captures very well
 the romance of the small landing field in the middle of nowhere.  It
 makes me want to get out there and explore again.

 Gather Up Men by Walter Hamler.  Wonderful capture and great
 composition.  I feel like I am in the fourth plane, ready to join the
 formation.

 I really enjoyed this gallery.  Thanks to all who submitted their work.

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Re: JULY PUG is up

2009-07-24 Thread tbeilby
I really enjoyed seeing everyone's submissions for this PUG.  P.J., your 
airstrip shot reminds me of countless strips that I visited with my Dad 
while he was delivering wings to crop dusting companies in California. I 
loved them because I never knew what I would see, crashed airplanes, 
beautiful private planes, a ball turret from a B-17, etc. The variety of 
shots in this gallery is very nice. Christine, I like your shot but keep 
your hands on the wheel.


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Re: July PUG?

2009-07-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote:

On 7/24/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Joseph McAllister wrote:
 
  On Jul 23, 2009, at 23:48 , Cotty wrote:

 I see now that there is a pun thread all about my
 tardiness.  Made my day.
   
Sorry, no.  The puns were on the aviation theme.  You were utterly
neglected, pun-wise.
   
But we can try to fix that...
  
   Well, let's just see what develops
 
  Oh please, Stop It!
 
  I think this thread should be just set out to dry.

Go with the flo, PJ.

He won't pay any attention to you; you know he's a callow type.


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FS Friday - Lenses, bags, flash

2009-07-24 Thread gldnbearz
Doing a little summer clean out.

1) Tokina AF 20-35/3.5-4.5, 72mm filter size, comes with generic front
 rear caps.  $125
2) Pentax M75-150/4, 49mm filter size, built in sun shade, push-pull
zoom, front  rear caps.  $45
3) Lowepro Street  Field Rover Light camera backpack in black  tan.
Has lower compartment for photo gear, upper compartment for personal
gear, zippered outside pockets, tripod holder,  chest  waist straps
for stability $65
4) Domke F5-XB camera bag, black canvas with shoulder strap.  Has both
zipper  velcro to secure contents.  $30
5) Sunpak 266D thyristor flash - manual zoom head from 35-135, bounces
but doesn't swivel.  Takes 4x AA batteries.  Originally bought for use
with Zx-5n. $15.

USPS shipping add $10 within US. Higher for elsewhere (let me know
where).  Check or money order preferred.

Photos at: 
http://picasaweb.google.com/gldnbearz.pdml/090714Gear_for_sale?feat=directlink

Please contact off list if interested.

- Pat

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Re: Kodak DC 25 camera and files.

2009-07-24 Thread Margus Männik

:)

OK, understood.

BRM
P. J. Alling wrote:

Drawers is a synonym for pants, often used for underwear...

Margus Männik wrote:
Well, unfortunately I'm not a native English speaker (and me and my 
first English teacher, we  considered each other as complete morons) 
... but hopefully you can explain me?


BR, Margus


P. J. Alling wrote:

(it's amazing what a man can have in his drawers, isn't it?)

MARK!

Yes, the best quotes are out of context...
Then again maybe you have to be a native English speaker pf a 
certain age to know just how funny this is...


Margus Männik wrote:

Hi Drew,

if you can find suitable connectors (PC-serial is standard and IMO 
the camera connector is not very special either), I can find out 
the connection scheamatics for you.

I
bought Chinon ES-3000 (=DC50 in white) last winter. Paid a whole 
Euro for it on eBay :)
Full set with card, cables, software and manual. Still, I had MUCH 
trouble with getting the pictures from card to computer. Damn 
software (which is mandatory to transfer pictures from card or 
camera via cable) works exclusively on W95. So I had to dig out my 
old Compaq Contura from cellar, install the software and transfer 
pics to Contura. Then I got another PCMCIA memory card (it's 
amazing what a man can have in his drawers, isn't it?) and 
transfered pics from Contura to my new laptop. After that I 
transfered 'em with USB stick to my desktop workstation. Was it 
worth it? Hardly... Was it fun? Yes!



BR, Margus


Drew wrote:
I have a DC50... it's got zoom! it was the first digital camera my 
company bought. I used it extensively until we bought a 1.3Mpix 
Olympus.   Actually I am on the lookout for a serial cable for the 
Kodak should anyone have one around??


Cheers,
Drew.




Joseph McAllister wrote:

On Jul 21, 2009, at 05:27 , Bruce Walker wrote:


David J Brooks wrote:

I used to own this digital camera, picked it up in 1997.
I have an older iomega zip drive, 100meg, that i have the dc25 
files stored on.
I have tried to find the software via a google search, but it 
seems unavailable.
I have a few photos of my parents at their 50th wedding lunch i 
would

like to try and get off the disk.
Whats the chances any one on the list used the camera and has the
software.??? None i suppose.
I cannot remember if the zip drive(plugs into the printer port)
required software or not.
Dave


Dave, the parallel port Zip drives required a driver for 
Windows. There's also an alternate cable that attaches those Zip 
drives to older Macs via the Mac SCSI port connector.


This may be what you need for Windows ...

http://www.softwarepatch.com/utilities/iomega-zip.html

However, what format are the images saved in?  Possibly not 
JPEG, but perhaps Photo-CD?



I had a laugh reading the DC25 manual PDF: http://is.gd/1Gldq

We've come along nicely since the DC25: 5 seconds to produce a 
320x240 pixel image. Took a 2 *megabyte* CF card.  Yowza!


At the January 1996 MacWorld User Group Breakfast, I won a copy 
of the newly released High Resolution DC-40. The manual 
reveals: 
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/digCam/dc40/manual/dc40english..pdf 

that the same 5 secs between images, 8 seconds if you use the 
flash. It took 756 x 504 pixels, 24 bit color depth.  Still have 
it somewhere, in a black and chartreuse case... Yowza indeed!


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This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page

2009-07-24 Thread Doug Brewer

ann sanfedele wrote:
I mean, it IS photography , and there are a ton of photos taken with a 
Pentax LX  or KX . 
I did a new banner (newnew, as I slightly changed the one from a day or 
two ago ) and simplified
the front page...  reorganized a lot...  more to do, but except for 
possibly puting a link on the index
page to my cafepress store directly in the footer  and using  html to 
name names of other sites instead
of the http:// blah blah  stuff (I do know HOW to do this - but have 
other things more pressing at the moment )


Got inspired by both Doug and Christine to finally get this done - and 
the fact that I'm getting  a bit of help

with rent now so I'm not so crazed listing things on eekbay has helped.

sooo have a look-see , gang,   on my monitor with my settings in 
Firefox, explorer and even old Netscape it looks
right to me.  I should look at it on other machines . 
Appreciate any comments and certainly if you see a link or a stupid typo 
let me know -- but only if you happen on it

or have no life and look at everything :-)

I would like it if the page stretched -- but  unless I got heavily into 
css that isn't going to happen because of the preferred
theme I'm using on the site...or the smugmug techies get around to a 
stretchy black background style. 
so here you are!


ann sanfedele photography at:
http://annsan.smugmug.com


ann


Good job, Ann. Nice overview of your work, and logical layout.

I mentioned before that I had written a little about you and your 
photography on my blog. Here is the copy:


I’ve been wanting to write a post about a photographer I know who has 
such an incredible eye for absurdity, and who has produced some of the 
funniest photographs I’ve ever seen. Her name is Ann Sanfedele, and I 
have a personally autographed copy of this image, which makes me smile 
every time I look at it. She is, in my opinion, criminally 
under-celebrated, and not just when it comes to her comic images, but 
for the overall body of work she has created over multiple decades. 
Several of my regular readers know Ann, but many of you don’t. When you 
get a chance, check out her work here. Order some of it. Be the first on 
your block. I don’t even get a cut.


Obviously the links in there don't work here, but they are live on my site.

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Re: July PUG?

2009-07-24 Thread ann sanfedele



Joseph McAllister wrote:



On Jul 23, 2009, at 23:48 , Cotty wrote:



I see now that there is a pun thread all about my
tardiness.  Made my day.


Sorry, no.  The puns were on the aviation theme.  You were utterly
neglected, pun-wise.

But we can try to fix that...


Well, let's just see what develops


Oh please, Stop It! 


These acid comments are not so aesthetic





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Re: semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page

2009-07-24 Thread Christine Aguila
NIce write up, Doug, well deserved.  Ann should be very pleased!  Cheers, 
Christine



- Original Message - 
From: Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com


Good job, Ann. Nice overview of your work, and logical layout.

I mentioned before that I had written a little about you and your
photography on my blog. Here is the copy:

I’ve been wanting to write a post about a photographer I know who has
such an incredible eye for absurdity, and who has produced some of the
funniest photographs I’ve ever seen. Her name is Ann Sanfedele, and I
have a personally autographed copy of this image, which makes me smile
every time I look at it. She is, in my opinion, criminally
under-celebrated, and not just when it comes to her comic images, but
for the overall body of work she has created over multiple decades.
Several of my regular readers know Ann, but many of you don’t. When you
get a chance, check out her work here. Order some of it. Be the first on
your block. I don’t even get a cut.

Obviously the links in there don't work here, but they are live on my site.



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Re: semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page

2009-07-24 Thread ann sanfedele

Yellow boxes???
What yellow boxes???
yikes!

MIke -- I was playing around with color stuff yesterday .. thought I was 
making some text less white and screwed up...
that being said --  I presume you mean the details coming up when you do 
a slide show...  if you click on the thumbnails instead and then next' 
that doesn't happen...


I'll also go and look at each gallery -- if you were looking at the 
Comfort Diner stuff, the captions are stories...
and I have to have them there... but there is, hopefully, a way to get 
rid of captions for the slide show.  

I presume you were carefully looking at the work, not just the front 
page...  I haven't changed anything within

galleries at all...

Could you send me a link to the gallery you saw this in?
There were some system wide bugs a bit ago, too...

I know I don't want yellow boxes anywhere :-)

thanks for pointing that out!

ann


mike wilson wrote:

 ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: 
 

Appreciate any comments and certainly if you see a link or a stupid typo 
let me know -- but only if you happen on it

or have no life and look at everything :-)
   



Too much coming up in the yellow boxes.  They only last about 3 seconds and a 
terse sentence is the most you can thoroughly absorb in that time.  The other 
stuff (or, indeed, all of it) would be better underneath the relevant 
picture/link.

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Re: semi OT - Presenting my revised photo web page

2009-07-24 Thread ann sanfedele

follow up --

ack --
I hope I can correct what you mean --- apparently when you mouse over a 
thumb the whole gallery description
shows up in a text box... annoying enough, to me as well as you, but 
then there was a brief time when I was trying out
colors for what I thought was only tiny text and used yellow... took it 
out immediately when I saw that it made the

text under the thumbnails yellow...

there must be a way I can change this with code - at least I hope so... 
 Once you enter a gallery there is plenty of time

to read what I want you to read and what I need to keep in there.

Meanwhile, Im surrounded by otehr peoples medical emergencies today

xo,
ann

mike wilson wrote:

 ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: 
 

Appreciate any comments and certainly if you see a link or a stupid typo 
let me know -- but only if you happen on it

or have no life and look at everything :-)
   



Too much coming up in the yellow boxes.  They only last about 3 seconds and a 
terse sentence is the most you can thoroughly absorb in that time.  The other 
stuff (or, indeed, all of it) would be better underneath the relevant 
picture/link.

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Peso PHC Lead line class today

2009-07-24 Thread David J Brooks
Friends of ours asked if i could take some shots of their young
daughter in the Lead Line class today.

I took quite a few, but i like this one a lot.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9535046

Not sure if i like it in BW

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9535049

D200 Raw file, 70-200 VR F2.8, LR 2

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Re: Every time you miss a shot ...

2009-07-24 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:13 AM, William Robbwar...@gmail.com wrote:

 - Original Message - From: Larry Colen Subject: Every time you
 miss a shot ...




 Every time you miss a shot because you don't have the right lens,
 God kills a kitten.

 God kills kittens because he can.

That's why we sneak em into the house in a box. He'll never know.

Dave

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Re: OT The PEN Story

2009-07-24 Thread David J Brooks
A few of the local Henrys stores are having an Olympus rep in and
doing a hands on demo this weekend i think.

May try and attend that

Dave

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Rob Studdertdistudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 I was sent the following link, it's a 3min ad for the new Oly Pen,
 interesting, someone in marketing let go of the creative reins:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Et7UQh1tg

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Re: July PUG?

2009-07-24 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:32 AM, ann sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


 Joseph McAllister wrote:


 On Jul 23, 2009, at 23:48 , Cotty wrote:


 I see now that there is a pun thread all about my
 tardiness.  Made my day.

 Sorry, no.  The puns were on the aviation theme.  You were utterly
 neglected, pun-wise.

 But we can try to fix that...

 Well, let's just see what develops

 Oh please, Stop It!

 These acid comments are not so aesthetic

This is getting hard to process.

Dave





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Re: K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons

2009-07-24 Thread Joseph Tainter

Seriously, though, I personally believe the K-7 to be a sort of
one-off; a test-bed for technology intended for the 645 due next year.

Jostein

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Interesting. But there is some good new technology and software in the 
K-7, so surely Pentax would use that, and build on it, in future APS-C 
DSLRs?


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PESO -- Tom

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling

An informal portrait...

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20tom.html

Equipment: Pentax K20D w/vmc Vivitar Series 1 35-85mm f2.8 Variable 
Focusing.


Notes:  A little soft, but I think that I shot this wide open. 


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Turbo Charged July Pug!

2009-07-24 Thread Christine Aguila
An excellent PUG!  Great breadth:  historical, dare-devilish, playful, and 
scenic.  Love it!  In all honesty, I enjoyed all the photos--subject matter 
highly interesting and execution terrific!  Well done PDMLers!


Thanks everyone, and thanks Scott for putting it together.
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Re: K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Ah yes, hope springs eternal.  Ask any Red Sox fan, and after almost a 
century...


AlunFoto wrote:

2009/7/23 Joseph Tainter jtain...@mindspring.com:
  

Pentax claimed that the K7 would have lower noise. This is clearly not so.
The difference is especially apparent at ISO 3200 and 6400 (both of which I
would like to use).



When I look at those images, it strikes me that the K20D pics looks
slightly underexposed. I downloaded the ISO 1600 images and compared
the histograms, and that only reinforced the impression. However I
don't have any photo editing software on the computer I'm at today, so
I can't lift the K20D image to see how comparable brightness affects
the noise comparison. I suspect they will become quite similar,
though.


  

I'm glad I haven't yet bought a K-7. I may still buy one, but not for better
noise. Or I may wait to see what testing shows when the K8 comes out.



Some rumor mill had it that 8 was avoided because of Asian
connotations about bad luck, and that K-9 was unacceptable to cat
lovers. Or something. :-)

Seriously, though, I personally believe the K-7 to be a sort of
one-off; a test-bed for technology intended for the 645 due next year.

Jostein

  



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Re: PESO -- Tutu

2009-07-24 Thread Christine Aguila
Tutu's  funny, P.J.  Also, I like the woman in the greasy spoon.  Good catch 
on Red Tail as well.  Looks like you're enjoying the K20D.  Cheers, 
Christine





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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:46 PM
Subject: PESO -- Tutu



No connection except I took the image, thank the powers.

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20tutu.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5,6

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Re: Peso PHC Lead line class today

2009-07-24 Thread Christine Aguila
Lovely!  Dave, I prefer the color.  The black hat and red jacket set off the 
great expression nicely.  My pick is color!  Cheers, Christine




- Original Message - 
From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com

To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net; Barbara Brooks bbaro...@gmail.com
Cc: Home Sarah sarah.h...@firstgroup.com; Conley Leah 
leah.con...@firstgroup.com; Smillie Dale dale.smil...@firstgroup.com

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Peso PHC Lead line class today



Friends of ours asked if i could take some shots of their young
daughter in the Lead Line class today.

I took quite a few, but i like this one a lot.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9535046

Not sure if i like it in BW

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9535049

D200 Raw file, 70-200 VR F2.8, LR 2

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adorama doesn't seem to want my business

2009-07-24 Thread Larry Colen
It looks like the monopod that meets my specs for reasonable quality
and fitting in both my camera bag and budget is the Manfrotto 790B. At
$33, and 16 collapsed, it looks like an affordable solution. 

I sent Adorama a note asking if there were any other monopods that met
my specifications, this is the conversation so far. And correct me if
I'm wrong, but aren't Manfrotto and Bogen one company, with Gitzo as a
competitor?


  On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:44:59AM -0400, A_Sales wrote: 

A 
A Hi,   
A 
A 
A please contact mfr for best advice 

L But the point was that I don't know what similar monopods are made by 
L other manufacturers. It's not like Manfrotto will suggest a Gitzo for 
L me to look at. 

- Forwarded message from A_Sales sa...@adorama.com -

A Hi,   


A gitzo and manfrotto are one company 
  
A they will best assist you   


Thank you for shopping with us we appreciate your business. 


Sincerely, 

Morris Abrams - Online Customer Service 
E. serv...@adorama.com 
P.(800)223-2500 - P.(212)741-0401 

Can I help you with anything else? Don't hesitate to ask 
 


We have assigned the following tracking ID to your inquiry: LTK16401792964X. 
Please use this ticket number in any correspondence with us 


 

  From: Larry Colen [...@red4est.com] 
  To: 
  Cc: 
  Subject: Re: Monopod - Ticket# LTK16401792964X 



 201 818-9500   
 
 
 Thank you for shopping with us we appreciate your business. 
 
 
 Sincerely, 
 
 Morris Abrams - Online Customer Service 
 E. serv...@adorama.com 
 P.(800)223-2500 - P.(212)741-0401 
 
 Can I help you with anything else? Don't hesitate to ask 
   
 
 
 We have assigned the following tracking ID to your inquiry: LTK16401792964X. 
 Please use this ticket number in any correspondence with us 
 
 
  
 
   From: Larry Colen [...@red4est.com] 
   To: 
   Cc: 
   Subject: Monopod 
 
 
 
   I'm looking for a monopod to carry in my lowepro Fastpack 350. 
 I need something with a collapsed length of 17 or less (without the 
 head). I'm also on a sub $100 budget at the moment. Eventually I may 
 pick up the $250 carbon fiber wonder, but at the moment it looks like 
 the Manfrotto 790B. 
 
 Are there any other monopods that I should be looking at? 
 
 Currently the biggest rig that I'd be using on it would be my Pentax 
 K20 with tamron 18-250 or pentax A* 200/2.8. 
 
 Thanks, 
   Larry 
 
 
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 http://www.red4est.com/lrc 
 
 

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Re: adorama doesn't seem to want my business

2009-07-24 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Larry Colen

Subject: adorama doesn't seem to want my business



It looks like the monopod that meets my specs for reasonable quality
and fitting in both my camera bag and budget is the Manfrotto 790B. At
$33, and 16 collapsed, it looks like an affordable solution. 


I sent Adorama a note asking if there were any other monopods that met
my specifications, this is the conversation so far. And correct me if
I'm wrong, but aren't Manfrotto and Bogen one company, with Gitzo as a
competitor?


Get onto PentaxForums and bitch about it.
That should wake up Helen Oster, who is the resident Adorama cheerleader.

William Robb

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K-7 on tour

2009-07-24 Thread Larry Colen

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036thread=32474376page=1

John C is taking the K-7 and some lenses on tour and is looking for
suggestions of places to meet up.


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My current prime lens A-Team

2009-07-24 Thread J.C. O'Connell
How does this sound for a prime lens setup
from 18-300mm for Pentax DSLR?

18 - smck f3.5
28 - smck f3.5
50 - smcA f1.4
85 - smck f1.8
120- smck f2.8
180- tamron spif f2.5
300- smcA* f4.0

kinda expensive, not very light
or compact but workable. Just don't
wanna get the bag lost or stolen
for sure! I might wanna add a 14mm
later.

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Re: Peso PHC Lead line class today

2009-07-24 Thread Jack Davis
They must be very pleased with your work. I prefer the color.

Jack

--- On Fri, 7/24/09, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 Subject: Peso PHC Lead line class today
 To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net, Barbara Brooks bbaro...@gmail.com
 Cc: Home Sarah sarah.h...@firstgroup.com, Conley Leah 
 leah.con...@firstgroup.com, Smillie Dale dale.smil...@firstgroup.com
 Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 9:12 AM
 Friends of ours asked if i could take
 some shots of their young
 daughter in the Lead Line class today.
 
 I took quite a few, but i like this one a lot.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9535046
 
 Not sure if i like it in BW
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9535049
 
 D200 Raw file, 70-200 VR F2.8, LR 2
 
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Re: PESO -- Tom

2009-07-24 Thread Jack Davis
I like the slightly soft look in this case. Nice color tones. Some facial 
shadows might be lightened a bit..or not.

Jack

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 From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO -- Tom
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 9:36 AM
 An informal portrait...
 
 http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20tom.html
 
 Equipment: Pentax K20D w/vmc Vivitar Series 1 35-85mm f2.8
 Variable Focusing.
 
 Notes:  A little soft, but I think that I shot this
 wide open. 
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Re: PESO -- Tom

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling
I was thinking that too.  With RSE lightening shadows was a snap during 
raw conversion.  With Pentax Photo Lab not so much.  In fact the words 
No way Jose would describe it's capabilities perfectly.  I still need 
a raw converter that matches my work flow.


Jack Davis wrote:

I like the slightly soft look in this case. Nice color tones. Some facial 
shadows might be lightened a bit..or not.

Jack

--- On Fri, 7/24/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

  

From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
Subject: PESO -- Tom
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 9:36 AM
An informal portrait...

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20tom.html

Equipment: Pentax K20D w/vmc Vivitar Series 1 35-85mm f2.8
Variable Focusing.

Notes:  A little soft, but I think that I shot this
wide open. 
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K-7, some real-life testing

2009-07-24 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Sometime last night, Leonidas, on of our two cats, has thrown up a
hairball. Not exactly newsworthy, you'd say.

Well, he's done so *after* having a copious meal and on my desk - right
over my new K-7. And I've even been lucky as he missed the open laptop
by a mere inch.

When I discovered the mess this morning, it had krept into every nook
and cranny of the camera and mostly dried. Nothing that could easily be
wiped off with a damp cloth.

So, exactly how waterproof is a K-7? Enough to clean it under running
water? H...

Luckily, although the service department of Pentax in Hamburg, Germany,
has been disbanded, a while ago, the former head of service is still
with the company. I explained the case to him... 

You don't have much choice, do you? And no, he saw no problem with
this.

I'm glad to report that cat and camera are doing fine again.   :-)

Ralf

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Re: adorama doesn't seem to want my business

2009-07-24 Thread Igor Roshchin

Larry,

You sound too idealistic to me.. (I know you aren't that naive :-) ) 
After all, Adorama (unless you stop by at their store) is a mail-order
store which has a relatively low margin and sells you what you want
to buy, and not a consulting business. Like with most
internet/mail-order serivices, you save by researching the products 
yourself, and if you are not capable of that, you pay the stupidity 
premium at the local BestBuy, Ritz Camera, etc.

For that type of service that you want at a reasonable level, 
you pay extra bucks at a local knowledgeable store (if any).

Igor

Fri Jul 24 12:00:11 CDT 2009
Larry Colen wrote:

 I sent Adorama a note asking if there were any other monopods that met
 my specifications, this is the conversation so far.


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Re: K-7, some real-life testing

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling

To quote most any 14 year old girl EEEAAAUUU.

Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

Sometime last night, Leonidas, on of our two cats, has thrown up a
hairball. Not exactly newsworthy, you'd say.

Well, he's done so *after* having a copious meal and on my desk - right
over my new K-7. And I've even been lucky as he missed the open laptop
by a mere inch.

When I discovered the mess this morning, it had krept into every nook
and cranny of the camera and mostly dried. Nothing that could easily be
wiped off with a damp cloth.

So, exactly how waterproof is a K-7? Enough to clean it under running
water? H...

Luckily, although the service department of Pentax in Hamburg, Germany,
has been disbanded, a while ago, the former head of service is still
with the company. I explained the case to him... 


You don't have much choice, do you? And no, he saw no problem with
this.

I'm glad to report that cat and camera are doing fine again.   :-)

Ralf

  



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Re: K-7, some real-life testing

2009-07-24 Thread Charles Robinson

On Jul 24, 2009, at 13:20, P. J. Alling wrote:


To quote most any 14 year old girl EEEAAAUUU.



14-year-old girl, nothing.  That's what *I* was going to say!

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Re: K-7, some real-life testing

2009-07-24 Thread gldnbearz
All that narrative and NO photos?? =)

- Pat

2009/7/24 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de:
 Sometime last night, Leonidas, on of our two cats, has thrown up a
 hairball. Not exactly newsworthy, you'd say.

 Well, he's done so *after* having a copious meal and on my desk - right
 over my new K-7. And I've even been lucky as he missed the open laptop
 by a mere inch.

 When I discovered the mess this morning, it had krept into every nook
 and cranny of the camera and mostly dried. Nothing that could easily be
 wiped off with a damp cloth.

 So, exactly how waterproof is a K-7? Enough to clean it under running
 water? H...

 Luckily, although the service department of Pentax in Hamburg, Germany,
 has been disbanded, a while ago, the former head of service is still
 with the company. I explained the case to him...

 You don't have much choice, do you? And no, he saw no problem with
 this.

 I'm glad to report that cat and camera are doing fine again.   :-)

 Ralf

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RE: K-7, some real-life testing

2009-07-24 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Since day one, I have kept my istDS in a nice soft leather
holster type bag when not in use. And I don't
even have any cats Why leave any DSLR exposed to whatever?

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Re: K-7, some real-life testing

2009-07-24 Thread Cory Waters

Thank God.

gldnbearz wrote:

All that narrative and NO photos?? =)

- Pat

2009/7/24 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de:
  

Sometime last night, Leonidas, on of our two cats, has thrown up a
hairball. Not exactly newsworthy, you'd say.

Well, he's done so *after* having a copious meal and on my desk - right
over my new K-7. And I've even been lucky as he missed the open laptop
by a mere inch.

When I discovered the mess this morning, it had krept into every nook
and cranny of the camera and mostly dried. Nothing that could easily be
wiped off with a damp cloth.

So, exactly how waterproof is a K-7? Enough to clean it under running
water? H...

Luckily, although the service department of Pentax in Hamburg, Germany,
has been disbanded, a while ago, the former head of service is still
with the company. I explained the case to him...

You don't have much choice, do you? And no, he saw no problem with
this.

I'm glad to report that cat and camera are doing fine again.   :-)

Ralf

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Re: My current prime lens A-Team

2009-07-24 Thread Miserere
So long as it's not me carrying your bag, I don't see a problem with it  :-)

But you wouldn't have these all on you at all times, right?

Have you considered an FA 20mm f/2.8? Or are you wanting to keep it
all manual focus?


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2009/7/24 J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net:
 How does this sound for a prime lens setup
 from 18-300mm for Pentax DSLR?

 18 - smck f3.5
 28 - smck f3.5
 50 - smcA f1.4
 85 - smck f1.8
 120- smck f2.8
 180- tamron spif f2.5
 300- smcA* f4.0

 kinda expensive, not very light
 or compact but workable. Just don't
 wanna get the bag lost or stolen
 for sure! I might wanna add a 14mm
 later.

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Re: K-7, some real-life testing

2009-07-24 Thread Bruce Walker

Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

Sometime last night, Leonidas, on of our two cats, has thrown up a
hairball. Not exactly newsworthy, you'd say.

Well, he's done so *after* having a copious meal and on my desk - right
over my new K-7.


Did you get the name of the guy you got that cat from?  It wasn't Kenny 
R. by any chance?  ;-)


Congrats on surviving that horror show intact. I get annoyed enough at 
having to clean carpet of cat barf -- I can't imagine being confronted 
with your R-L scenario.


-bmw

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RE: K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons

2009-07-24 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Huh?  They won in 2004 and 2007.  Do Cub fans have any hope?

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. 
Alling
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:40 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons

Ah yes, hope springs eternal.  Ask any Red Sox fan, and after almost a 
century...

AlunFoto wrote:
 2009/7/23 Joseph Tainter jtain...@mindspring.com:
   
 Pentax claimed that the K7 would have lower noise. This is clearly not so.
 The difference is especially apparent at ISO 3200 and 6400 (both of which I
 would like to use).
 

 When I look at those images, it strikes me that the K20D pics looks
 slightly underexposed. I downloaded the ISO 1600 images and compared
 the histograms, and that only reinforced the impression. However I
 don't have any photo editing software on the computer I'm at today, so
 I can't lift the K20D image to see how comparable brightness affects
 the noise comparison. I suspect they will become quite similar,
 though.


   
 I'm glad I haven't yet bought a K-7. I may still buy one, but not for better
 noise. Or I may wait to see what testing shows when the K8 comes out.
 

 Some rumor mill had it that 8 was avoided because of Asian
 connotations about bad luck, and that K-9 was unacceptable to cat
 lovers. Or something. :-)

 Seriously, though, I personally believe the K-7 to be a sort of
 one-off; a test-bed for technology intended for the 645 due next year.

 Jostein

   


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PESO -- Red Tail Hawk II

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling
I was looking at the photos of the Red Tail Hawk again and decided this 
one was worth a second go.  It's about 3/5 of the frame cropped to 8x10 
dimensions. 


http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtailhawkii.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-200mm f3.8~5.6

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Re: K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Kinda my point.  However Pentax has only been promising a 645D for  3 or 
4 years now approximately 90 left to go...


Desjardins, Steve wrote:

Huh?  They won in 2004 and 2007.  Do Cub fans have any hope?

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. 
Alling
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:40 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: K20D vs. K7 High ISO Noise Comparisons

Ah yes, hope springs eternal.  Ask any Red Sox fan, and after almost a 
century...


AlunFoto wrote:
  

2009/7/23 Joseph Tainter jtain...@mindspring.com:
  


Pentax claimed that the K7 would have lower noise. This is clearly not so.
The difference is especially apparent at ISO 3200 and 6400 (both of which I
would like to use).

  

When I look at those images, it strikes me that the K20D pics looks
slightly underexposed. I downloaded the ISO 1600 images and compared
the histograms, and that only reinforced the impression. However I
don't have any photo editing software on the computer I'm at today, so
I can't lift the K20D image to see how comparable brightness affects
the noise comparison. I suspect they will become quite similar,
though.


  


I'm glad I haven't yet bought a K-7. I may still buy one, but not for better
noise. Or I may wait to see what testing shows when the K8 comes out.

  

Some rumor mill had it that 8 was avoided because of Asian
connotations about bad luck, and that K-9 was unacceptable to cat
lovers. Or something. :-)

Seriously, though, I personally believe the K-7 to be a sort of
one-off; a test-bed for technology intended for the 645 due next year.

Jostein

  




  



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Re: adorama doesn't seem to want my business

2009-07-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:15:00PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 Larry,
 
 You sound too idealistic to me.. (I know you aren't that naive :-) ) 

Only sometimes.

 After all, Adorama (unless you stop by at their store) is a mail-order
 store which has a relatively low margin and sells you what you want
 to buy, and not a consulting business. Like with most

Yeah, but I figured that they'd at least have some clue about their
product line. Maybe I am that naive.

 internet/mail-order serivices, you save by researching the products 
 yourself, and if you are not capable of that, you pay the stupidity 
 premium at the local BestBuy, Ritz Camera, etc.
 
 For that type of service that you want at a reasonable level, 
 you pay extra bucks at a local knowledgeable store (if any).

Unfortunately the only short monopod at our local knowledgable store
is $240. 

The Benro MP-66 and MC-66 also look promising, but don't seem to be
available in the US. 

Likewise BH has a few that seem to meet my specs.

I wish I could search on collapsed length.


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Re: PESO -- Red Tail Hawk II

2009-07-24 Thread Charles Robinson

On Jul 24, 2009, at 14:02, P. J. Alling wrote:

I was looking at the photos of the Red Tail Hawk again and decided  
this one was worth a second go.  It's about 3/5 of the frame cropped  
to 8x10 dimensions.

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20redtailhawkii.html



Better.  I like it closer-up so I can see what's going on...

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Re: DS-1 Exposure

2009-07-24 Thread John Graves
See..I did need to put my glasses on...I try not to pound any of my 
cameras.


John Graves
WA1JG



P. J. Alling wrote:

Well I guess a pound ist DS is more palatable than a starkist DS...

John Graves wrote:

It's a #istDS before I put my glasses on.

John Graves
WA1JG
jh.gra...@verizon.net

Bob Sullivan wrote:

John,
What's a DS1?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:28 PM, John Gravesjh.gra...@verizon.net 
wrote:
My aging eyes seem to tell me that my DS1 has lost about 1 stop.  I 
find to
get the exposure that I want, I need to expose at +1 stop,  Do 
sensors age
or have I changed my methods by 1 stop.  I tend to use the single 
spot for
exposure and work from there.  Or is this the difference between 
what the

sensor sees and what I see in my mind?

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Re: K-7 and 77 Ltd

2009-07-24 Thread Ken Waller

Handsome canine  great capture also.

Does he take cat shots?

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: wendy beard pointyp...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: K-7 and 77 Ltd


http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/115306358

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Misereremiser...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but how about a photo *OF* the K-7 with the 77 
Ltd?


I'm not dogging the doggie pics, I just want some camera/lens porn.

Please...?



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RE: My current prime lens A-Team

2009-07-24 Thread John Whittingham
I'm currently using the following with a Sigma 10-20 EX Dc to cover the wide 
end:

Sigma AF 24mm/2.8 Super Wide
SMC Pentax FA 28mm/2.8
SMC Pentax FA 35mm/2
SMC Pentax FA 50mm/1.4
SMC Pentax DA 70mm/2.4 Limited
Tamron AF 90mm/2.8 Di
SMC Pentax FA 135mm/2.8
SMC Pentax DA* 300mm/4
Tamron 1.4x AF TC

Hopefully I'll get the SMC Pentax DA* 200mm/2.8 sometime soon, I was thinking 
about the the DA 15mm/4 at one point but decided it was too expensive for what 
it offered, so I'll be keeping the Sigma zoom for the foreseeable future.

I also use the Sigma with the following as a second kit:

Sigma 24-70/2.8 EX DG
Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX
Sigma 300/4 APO Macro Super
Sigma 1.4x EX TC

Regards,

John

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of J.C. O'Connell 
[hifis...@gate.net]
Sent: 24 July 2009 18:33
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: My current prime lens A-Team

How does this sound for a prime lens setup
from 18-300mm for Pentax DSLR?

18 - smck f3.5
28 - smck f3.5
50 - smcA f1.4
85 - smck f1.8
120- smck f2.8
180- tamron spif f2.5
300- smcA* f4.0

kinda expensive, not very light
or compact but workable. Just don't
wanna get the bag lost or stolen
for sure! I might wanna add a 14mm
later.

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Re: peso wandering sax player

2009-07-24 Thread Igor Roshchin

I did! :-)


Thu Jul 23 16:18:46 CDT 2009
Larry Colen wrote:

 Also, the flash has nothing to do with my bumbling, you should have
 seen my dancing.


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Re: July PUG?

2009-07-24 Thread Ken Waller


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com

Subject: Re: July PUG?



Scott Loveless wrote:


On 7/24/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

Joseph McAllister wrote:

 On Jul 23, 2009, at 23:48 , Cotty wrote:
   
I see now that there is a pun thread all about my
tardiness.  Made my day.
  
   Sorry, no.  The puns were on the aviation theme.  You were utterly
   neglected, pun-wise.
  
   But we can try to fix that...
 
  Well, let's just see what develops

 Oh please, Stop It!

 I think this thread should be just set out to dry.


Go with the flo, PJ.


He won't pay any attention to you; you know he's a callow type.


It burns me but I just couldn't dodge this one.


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RE: My current prime lens A-Team

2009-07-24 Thread J.C. O'Connell
I like tend to favor FF manual focus optics for now. NO, I don't carry
all these all the time, I have many other prime and zoom combos
but if I had to cover widest range at best
possible quality, this would be it for now.

My minimal kit is a 

18mm prime smck f3.5
24-50/A F4
70-210/a F4
300 A* F4

Zooms would cut down on this all prime kit quite a bit, and
many of them are indeed quite sharp, but
they are generally not in same class as these 
from a contrast/tonal range standpoint.

One thing I have learned with lenses is that you may not always
be able to see or exploit the better sharpness of a sharper
lens but you can almost always see and exploit the better
tonal range/contrast of a better contrast range/ better tonality lens.

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Miserere
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:53 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: My current prime lens A-Team


So long as it's not me carrying your bag, I don't see a problem with it
:-)

But you wouldn't have these all on you at all times, right?

Have you considered an FA 20mm f/2.8? Or are you wanting to keep it all
manual focus?


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2009/7/24 J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net:
 How does this sound for a prime lens setup
 from 18-300mm for Pentax DSLR?

 18 - smck f3.5
 28 - smck f3.5
 50 - smcA f1.4
 85 - smck f1.8
 120- smck f2.8
 180- tamron spif f2.5
 300- smcA* f4.0

 kinda expensive, not very light
 or compact but workable. Just don't
 wanna get the bag lost or stolen
 for sure! I might wanna add a 14mm
 later.

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RE: My current prime lens A-Team

2009-07-24 Thread J.C. O'Connell
that's a nice setup, but its more lenses than I would 
want to carry along or risk losing. I have lenses in
nearly every fl from 15mm to 1000mm but I wouldn't
want to bring them all with me. That's why I spaced
it out to seven total and even that's pushing it in
terms of number of lenses to carry along.

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John Whittingham
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 3:29 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: RE: My current prime lens A-Team


I'm currently using the following with a Sigma 10-20 EX Dc to cover the
wide end:

Sigma AF 24mm/2.8 Super Wide
SMC Pentax FA 28mm/2.8
SMC Pentax FA 35mm/2
SMC Pentax FA 50mm/1.4
SMC Pentax DA 70mm/2.4 Limited
Tamron AF 90mm/2.8 Di
SMC Pentax FA 135mm/2.8
SMC Pentax DA* 300mm/4
Tamron 1.4x AF TC

Hopefully I'll get the SMC Pentax DA* 200mm/2.8 sometime soon, I was
thinking about the the DA 15mm/4 at one point but decided it was too
expensive for what it offered, so I'll be keeping the Sigma zoom for the
foreseeable future.

I also use the Sigma with the following as a second kit:

Sigma 24-70/2.8 EX DG
Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX
Sigma 300/4 APO Macro Super
Sigma 1.4x EX TC

Regards,

John

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of J.C.
O'Connell [hifis...@gate.net]
Sent: 24 July 2009 18:33
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: My current prime lens A-Team

How does this sound for a prime lens setup
from 18-300mm for Pentax DSLR?

18 - smck f3.5
28 - smck f3.5
50 - smcA f1.4
85 - smck f1.8
120- smck f2.8
180- tamron spif f2.5
300- smcA* f4.0

kinda expensive, not very light
or compact but workable. Just don't
wanna get the bag lost or stolen
for sure! I might wanna add a 14mm
later.

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Re: Every time you miss a shot ...

2009-07-24 Thread Ken Waller


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- Original Message - 
From: William Robb war...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Every time you miss a shot ...




- Original Message - 
From: Larry Colen 
Subject: Every time you miss a shot ...






Every time you miss a shot because you don't have the right lens,
God kills a kitten.


God kills kittens because he can.


Could be because he doesn't want the competition.



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Re: adorama doesn't seem to want my business

2009-07-24 Thread Joseph Tainter
This sounds like the time that I got a message from Pentax service that 
said, in essence, We don't know anything but feel free to ask any time.


You might get advice from BH on the phone, but it will be fast-paced, 
New York-style advice.


Adorama is a funny company in many ways. I now buy from them less often 
than I used to. Their support staff are only able to read from scripts. 
No doubt in the case the script read Contact the manufacturer.


Joe

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Re: K-7, some real-life testing

2009-07-24 Thread Ken Waller



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From: gldnbearz gldnbearz.p...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: K-7, some real-life testing


All that narrative and NO photos?? =)

Now there's a topic for a future PUG - What my cat threw up.

- Pat

2009/7/24 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de:

Sometime last night, Leonidas, on of our two cats, has thrown up a
hairball. Not exactly newsworthy, you'd say.

Well, he's done so *after* having a copious meal and on my desk - right
over my new K-7. And I've even been lucky as he missed the open laptop
by a mere inch.

When I discovered the mess this morning, it had krept into every nook
and cranny of the camera and mostly dried. Nothing that could easily be
wiped off with a damp cloth.

So, exactly how waterproof is a K-7? Enough to clean it under running
water? H...

Luckily, although the service department of Pentax in Hamburg, Germany,
has been disbanded, a while ago, the former head of service is still
with the company. I explained the case to him...

You don't have much choice, do you? And no, he saw no problem with
this.

I'm glad to report that cat and camera are doing fine again. :-)

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PESO - Mini Megalith

2009-07-24 Thread P. J. Alling

Some people try to replicate Stonehenge in their driveways...

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20minimegalith.html

Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax 28-200mm f3.8~5.6


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Re: K-7, some real-life testing

2009-07-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/7/09, Ralf R. Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:

Sometime last night, Leonidas, on of our two cats, has thrown up a
hairball. Not exactly newsworthy, you'd say.

Well, he's done so *after* having a copious meal and on my desk - right
over my new K-7. And I've even been lucky as he missed the open laptop
by a mere inch.

When I discovered the mess this morning, it had krept into every nook
and cranny of the camera and mostly dried. Nothing that could easily be
wiped off with a damp cloth.

So, exactly how waterproof is a K-7? Enough to clean it under running
water? H...

Luckily, although the service department of Pentax in Hamburg, Germany,
has been disbanded, a while ago, the former head of service is still
with the company. I explained the case to him...

You don't have much choice, do you? And no, he saw no problem with
this.

I'm glad to report that cat and camera are doing fine again.   :-)


Ralf, that is the grossest story I have ever read since buying a
computer and going online in 1997. RGH.

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RE: My current prime lens A-Team

2009-07-24 Thread John Whittingham
Hi John

I rarely carry anything longer than the 135 on a regular basis, unless I'm 
shooting motorsport or wildlife. I sometimes replace the FA 135 and 1.4 TC with 
the F 70-210 zoom or Tamron 70-300 LD Di. The Tamron is actually sharper than 
the F 70-210 and works really well with the 1.4 TC if needed, it forms a part 
of my light travel kit with the DA 18-55 II zoom. FYI I find the SMCK 18mm/3.5 
a little disappointing on digital, at least on the K10D and K20D.

Regards,

John

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of J.C. O'Connell 
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Sent: 24 July 2009 20:44
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Subject: RE: My current prime lens A-Team

that's a nice setup, but its more lenses than I would
want to carry along or risk losing. I have lenses in
nearly every fl from 15mm to 1000mm but I wouldn't
want to bring them all with me. That's why I spaced
it out to seven total and even that's pushing it in
terms of number of lenses to carry along.

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-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
John Whittingham
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 3:29 PM
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Subject: RE: My current prime lens A-Team


I'm currently using the following with a Sigma 10-20 EX Dc to cover the
wide end:

Sigma AF 24mm/2.8 Super Wide
SMC Pentax FA 28mm/2.8
SMC Pentax FA 35mm/2
SMC Pentax FA 50mm/1.4
SMC Pentax DA 70mm/2.4 Limited
Tamron AF 90mm/2.8 Di
SMC Pentax FA 135mm/2.8
SMC Pentax DA* 300mm/4
Tamron 1.4x AF TC

Hopefully I'll get the SMC Pentax DA* 200mm/2.8 sometime soon, I was
thinking about the the DA 15mm/4 at one point but decided it was too
expensive for what it offered, so I'll be keeping the Sigma zoom for the
foreseeable future.

I also use the Sigma with the following as a second kit:

Sigma 24-70/2.8 EX DG
Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX
Sigma 300/4 APO Macro Super
Sigma 1.4x EX TC

Regards,

John

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of J.C.
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Sent: 24 July 2009 18:33
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Subject: My current prime lens A-Team

How does this sound for a prime lens setup
from 18-300mm for Pentax DSLR?

18 - smck f3.5
28 - smck f3.5
50 - smcA f1.4
85 - smck f1.8
120- smck f2.8
180- tamron spif f2.5
300- smcA* f4.0

kinda expensive, not very light
or compact but workable. Just don't
wanna get the bag lost or stolen
for sure! I might wanna add a 14mm
later.

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