Re: PESO - light

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:

> http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/light-1703

Excellent photo. It reminds me of some of the depression era photos.

Just FYI, posting photos like that is a good way to make people hate you.

> 
> enjoy
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Re: GESO - A day of dance

[Larry Colen]

I particularly like:
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/UptonBampton2/slides/_IGP3291.html

with the young kid.

Aren't you just about a month late posting these?

On Jun 1, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

> WARNING: Contains images of gratuitous Morris dancing. 
> 
>> From Upton House and the village of Bampton in Oxfordshire:
> http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/UptonBampton2/
> 
> K7 and DA*50-135.
> 
> Sorry that there are no references to forgotten children - just thought I'd
> be a bit controversial and post some pictures instead.
> 
> Chris
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Re: PESO - light

[Bob W]

http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/light-1703

enjoy


that's beautiful - lovely shot, well seen.

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Re: Camping at GFM

[Bob W]

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:14 PM, John Sessoms  
wrote:
> I took it as a reference to early match-lock muskets that were fired 
> with

> the barrel supported by a cleft stick.


I don't think so.

From some of the other responses, I don't think that's what they were 
referring to.


I now think it's literary reference to a character in the book being sent 
off on a snipe hunt.


A cleft stick is required to hold a bundle of messages in its cleavage. The 
messengers run from sender to recipient holding the stick aloft in their 
hand. The barrel-supporting sticks could not be used for this, certainly not 
over the rough terrain of the Abyssinian highlands - the messages would 
simply fall out and risk being eaten by hyenas.


No, I think the matchlock sticks are cut from a forking branch.

A cleft stick must be explicitly cloven. The Imperial Abyssinian Post Office 
probably has a Department of Stick Cleaving for the purpose. In fact (drum 
roll...) they have one in every branch (cue side-splitting laughter).


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Re: PESO - light

[Sasha Sobol]

nice one!
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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>> http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/light-1703
>>
>> enjoy
>
> that's beautiful - lovely shot, well seen.
>
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/1 Cotty :
> In my experience, those who make a living from the tools they use make
> it a point to understand them and ensure they keep working, be that
> cameras, lenses or computers. In this respect, it will be the same for
> PC users and Mac users.

Of course it should be the same. Keeping on top of computer issues is
a prerequisite for successful business for any photographer. But it's
a beancounter's argument. Any person interested in saving his or her
memories of such a trip would be a lot better off with some general
computer understanding.

Besides, people use their computers for more purposes than just image
storage/processing, and a little understanding really goes a long way.
Both with regards to file management, backup and online security. Many
users don't want to spend time learning how to use a computer; they
just want it to do what they imagine it can do for them. I guess Apple
marketing has been successful playing up to this dream, and thus
attract many users that just can't be bothered.

Doesn't say a thing about the quality of the system, of course. But
Apple will eventually find itself in trouble if they don't deliver to
this group.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[David Mann]

On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:13 PM, William Robb wrote:

> Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was talking 
> about computers with an acquaintance who is both a Mac user and an idiot. I 
> mentioned something about file extensions and he didn't have a clue what I 
> was talking about.
> He said (and I paraphrase)  "we don't use file extensions on Macs, we just 
> click the icon and it opens.
> Apparently Macs just know what the file is by magic

You're half right.

For files that you get from elsewhere (eg download from the net or copied off 
an external drive) the system uses the extension to figure out what to open it 
with.  There's really no practical alternative to this.

For something that was created on a Mac, the system stores extra data that 
associates the file with the program that created it.  That can be both a 
blessing and a curse... and it's the reason why Windows users will see lots of 
small files starting with "._" on shared drives.

You can associate files individually to applications if you want.  So you can 
have your jpg files open in Preview by default but associate a couple of big 
ones to Photoshop.

And you override all this by just dragging the file into the app, or 
right-click the icon and choose the app from the list under "Open With."

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Rob Studdert]

On 02/06/2010, Cotty  wrote:

> My point is that Jostein's sample users in the south Atlantic appears to
> me to be only indicative of a bunch of people on a photo trip to the
> south atlantic, with few full-time professional photographers on board.
> Using a computer, be it a Mac or a PC is part and parcel of the trade
> these days and any pro snapper who doesn't understand them to at least
> an intermediate level isn't going to be making much money from his or
> her craft!

Can't agree, last year I had a series of posters made by a successful
company and they seriously didn't understand colour spaces.


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Re: GESO - A day of dance

[Doug Brewer]

Chris Mitchell wrote:

Doug Brewer wrote

WARNING: Contains images of gratuitous Morris dancing.

>From Upton House and the village of Bampton in Oxfordshire:
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/UptonBampton2/

K7 and DA*50-135.

Sorry that there are no references to forgotten children - just

thought I'd

be a bit controversial and post some pictures instead.

Chris




which one is Morris?


Since it was in Oxfordshire, must be this one I suppose:
http://www.motorbase.com/uploads/2006/05/07/fs_my_1959_morris_oxford.jpg



And this car inspires people to attach bells to their knees and prance 
about with sticks and hankies? What a curious culture you have over 
there. Very entertaining.


I like the photos, by the way.


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Re: PESO- Shafts

[Rob Studdert]

On 02/06/2010, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> On a campout over the weekend - early morning light cutting through
> the trees.

Very cool shot, it looks like the rays have dragged the branches along
with them.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

> Which don't necessarily need file extensions, there are a variety of methods 
> that
> would work without extensions that don't involve magic.

There are also methods that DO involve magic.

http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man5/magic.5.html

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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Rob Studdert]

On 02/06/2010, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...
>
> http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html
>
> Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200

Another great set of images! ;-)

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Re: OT GPS Devices

[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:12 AM, mike wilson  wrote:

> This has always intrigued me.  Do the roads change that much?

When you had to pay for every update individually, I pretty much felt
like it was worth buying once a year, not once per quarter (the
release interval for the maps).  It probably depends on where you
live.

Near us, a highway is being moved to a new alignment.  The existing
2-lane road (one lane each way) is being converted to 2 lanes in the
same direction, and 2 new lanes for the opposite direction are being
constructed up to a few hundred yards away.  So that's one place where
to roads change constantly for us.  We've also had about 30 miles of
new Interstate open up since we bought our unit a year and a half ago.

The map updates also fold in corrections they've accumulated  (which
includes things like the "house number" to "location along road"
conversion, which is often inaccurate).  You also have things like
municipalities converting roads from one-way to two-way or vice-versa,
or imposing new no-left-turn rules, or things like that.  At least for
TomTom, the "points of interest" database is part of the map update,
so as businesses come and go, there are changes to reflect that.

I would imagine that back during the housing boom, when new
developments were being built at a furious clip in a lot of places,
you saw a lot more actual road changes.

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Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/1/2010 5:27 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Plus you asked for the insight of an Economist, and I spent a good
number of years studying to become one. I'm not kidding when I talk
about my disdain for the profession.


So I surely did. Well, you sure have your reasons for disdain...

Boris


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Re: OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/1/2010 4:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Paul:

There may be disagreement on what the appropriate remedy should be,
but your fine articles perform a great public service by bringing
public attention to this unfortunate problem.

I for one am extremely proud of you.

Dan


What Dan said!

Boris

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Re: OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

[Steven Desjardins]

I've followed most of this thread but I could have missed a few given
its length.  It strikes me that much of this could be dealt with
through education.  Most new parents have some
doctor/hospital/birthing classes contact these days.  Making people
aware that this is a real problem would help.

BTW, I mistyped "birthing" so badly that Gmail replaced it with
"bullfighting".  Not related but it made my day.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 6/1/2010 4:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> Paul:
>>
>> There may be disagreement on what the appropriate remedy should be,
>> but your fine articles perform a great public service by bringing
>> public attention to this unfortunate problem.
>>
>> I for one am extremely proud of you.
>>
>> Dan
>
> What Dan said!
>
> Boris
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Re: OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/2/2010 2:55 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I've followed most of this thread but I could have missed a few given
its length.  It strikes me that much of this could be dealt with
through education.  Most new parents have some
doctor/hospital/birthing classes contact these days.  Making people
aware that this is a real problem would help.


I totally agree with you, Steven.

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Re: OT GPS Devices

[Walter Hamler]

Bill, I recently purchased a Magellan 1700 that came with a lifetime
update package included. It is a rather large unit, for which I am now
having reservations about keeping it. It works as advertised but it
has limitations. On a recent trip to the N. GA mountains, a trip I
have made many times over the years, it never picked the route I
wanted, so I would have to force it to follow my que. As a result of
this, I have relegated it to finding addresses that I am not familiar
with. So far it has been able to do that with good accuracy.

The one feature that I do like is when on the interstates or other
locations as well you can use it to find the type of food
establishment you prefer. That makes it somewhat valuable for my
needs! :-)

Walt

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Re: OT GPS Devices

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/2/2010 3:29 AM, William Robb wrote:

So, I decided to update my less than 1 year old TomTom and the bastards
want me to pay for the pleasure. Now, there is nothing wrong with the
unit, it just kinda irks me.


Bill, for whatever it is worth, but my cell phone has pretty good GPS 
module and can be used for navigation. Being a cheap SOB I am using a 
local freeware program, but there are more professional commercial 
alternatives as well. They are not expensive either.


Boris

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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Paul Sorenson]

Thanks, Rob

-p

On 6/2/2010 6:38 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 02/06/2010, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
   

A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html

Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200
 

Another great set of images! ;-)

   




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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Doug Brewer]

Paul Sorenson wrote:

A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html

Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200

-p



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Re: OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

[P N Stenquist]

Thanks to all who read this thread and the previous. Increased  
awareness is indeed part of the solution, and it may prove adequate.  
The problem has drawn a lot of attention over the last year or so.  
Time will tell if that has an effect.

Paul
On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


On 6/2/2010 2:55 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I've followed most of this thread but I could have missed a few given
its length.  It strikes me that much of this could be dealt with
through education.  Most new parents have some
doctor/hospital/birthing classes contact these days.  Making people
aware that this is a real problem would help.


I totally agree with you, Steven.

Boris

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Re: Camping at GFM

[mike wilson]

On 2 June 2010 08:50, Bob W  wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:14 PM, John Sessoms 
>>> wrote:

 > I took it as a reference to early match-lock muskets that were fired >
 > with
 > the barrel supported by a cleft stick.
>>
>> I don't think so.
>>
>> From some of the other responses, I don't think that's what they were
>> referring to.
>>
>> I now think it's literary reference to a character in the book being sent
>> off on a snipe hunt.
>
> A cleft stick is required to hold a bundle of messages in its cleavage. The
> messengers run from sender to recipient holding the stick aloft in their
> hand. The barrel-supporting sticks could not be used for this, certainly not
> over the rough terrain of the Abyssinian highlands - the messages would
> simply fall out and risk being eaten by hyenas.
>
> No, I think the matchlock sticks are cut from a forking branch.
>
> A cleft stick must be explicitly cloven. The Imperial Abyssinian Post Office
> probably has a Department of Stick Cleaving for the purpose. In fact (drum
> roll...) they have one in every branch (cue side-splitting laughter).

Haile unlikely.

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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Paul Sorenson]

You'll notice I made it a point not to show your legs.  ;-)

-p

On 6/2/2010 8:07 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

Paul Sorenson wrote:

A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html

Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200

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Re: OT GPS Devices

[eckinator]

2010/6/2 William Robb :
> So, I decided to update my less than 1 year old TomTom and the bastards want
> me to pay for the pleasure. Now, there is nothing wrong with the unit, it
> just kinda irks me.
> So, what's a good GPS unit?
> I'm interested in either a Garmin or a Magellan since I now have a hate on
> for the folks at TomTom.
> Is this a situation where the more you spend the better you get? Or does it
> really matter?
> One thing about the TomTom that I don't like is that it often takes 5
> minutes or more to find a signal, this being in the countryside, so it's not
> like as if I'm trying to find my way across downtown Chicago with the thing.
> Do any of the units have a reputation for better back road maps? Can any of
> the units be updated on the fly?
> etc.

I have a Garmin eTrex Legend HCx for offroading, geocaching, hiking,
etc. and it does a good job. I use the free maps available all over
the net. I find € 199 for topo maps for Germany a complete outrage as
that is more than the gps handheld costs. time to first fix is good,
weatherproofing works, all buttons can be operated with gloves on and
it runs on a pair of AA batteries. only nit is the poor menu structure
but hey it never pretended to be a Nokia cellphone. for onroad I use a
Navigon 2110max (now succeeded by 4310max, no idea if US names are the
same) which I chose after long testing which led me to conclude that
the Navigons are far superior to the TomToms. Map updates were € 19
for 2 years quarterly (special offer, normally 99), maps are from
NavTeq - TomTom uses TeleAtlas, those are the two principal map
providers you have access to here, everything else is normally
proprietary.
HTH
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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Ann Sanfedele]

Paul -
Nice gallery - and you did, I think, an extra good job with the tight 
close-ups of the gang...


(even the one of me;-) )  the one of Mark, especially  but all of them 
really capture personalities and moods very well.


Best,
ann


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A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html

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-p





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Re: PESO- Shafts

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks to all for looking and commenting.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 4:27:01 AM, you wrote:

RS> On 02/06/2010, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
>> On a campout over the weekend - early morning light cutting through
>> the trees.

RS> Very cool shot, it looks like the rays have dragged the branches along
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Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

[Ken Waller]

LOL, sounds like a Monty Python segment.

Kenneth Waller
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From: "John Coyle" 

Subject: RE: Kids are Dying in Cars


It's amazing what humans can do to overcome such difficulties.   My time 
in
the RAF was spent on a medical rehabilitation unit, where service 
personnel

who had been injured came after hospital treatment for therapy to enable
them to live as normal a life as possible.
On one occasion, I saw three of our patients returning from a visit to the
local pub: in a car.  Two of them had their left arm and left leg in
plaster: one worked the steering-column mounted gear stick, the other
steered and worked the accelerator and brake.  I think the third, who was 
in
the back seat, would have been on his knees praying, except he had both 
legs

in plaster!

John in Brisbane



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Subject: Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

On 01/06/2010, mike wilson  wrote:


Don't you believe it.  My sprog does the same and, with _no
instruction from me whatsoever_ she reached over, turned on the
CD/Radio, switched from radio to CD and put on her favourite.  This
week she asked me what one of the stalks on the steering column did,
pointing out that the other one (indicators) helped me go around
corners.


Oh, he's got all that sussed too, I'm very forthcoming if he asks
about anything else. But the interlocks are such that the brake pedal
needs to be fully depressed and the ignition on for the stick to be
able to be taken out of park, it won't even release the key until the
transmission is set to park. It's a big car, he's still tiny and I
have long legs, so without an accomplice it would be a feat of
engineering for him to be able to actually get the car out of park
(assuming the car was idling). I think that I have quite a few years
to go before I need to be too concerned and in any case he has to be
big enough to wrestle my keys off me first :-)


She will be fully capable of the mechanics of driving in another two
years.  I don't know whether to be proud or terrified.


;-)

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RE: GESO - A day of dance

[Chris Mitchell]

Larry Colen wrote
> Sent: 02 June 2010 08:43
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> 
> I particularly like:
> http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/UptonBampton2/slides/_IGP3291.html
> 
> with the young kid.

Thanks, I'm pleased that I managed to catch her in step with the morriswoman
on the far left of the shot

> 
> Aren't you just about a month late posting these?

You fall over morris dancers all through the summer in England, not just on
May Day. This was the Bampton day of dance on the Whit Monday public holiday
which is the last Monday in May each year (although the PC brigade don't
call it "Whit Monday", which is a church festival, any more - just "late
spring bank holiday").

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RE: GESO - A day of dance

[Chris Mitchell]

Doug Brewer wrote
> >>>
> >> which one is Morris?
> >
> > Since it was in Oxfordshire, must be this one I suppose:
> >
> http://www.motorbase.com/uploads/2006/05/07/fs_my_1959_morris_oxford.jp
> g
> >
> 
> And this car inspires people to attach bells to their knees and prance
> about with sticks and hankies? What a curious culture you have over
> there. Very entertaining.

Nah - you'll have spotted that I was just trying to be clever. I won't do it
again :-)
> 
> I like the photos, by the way.
> 


Thanks




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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[steve harley]

On 2010-06-02 04:06 , David Mann wrote:

For something that was created on a Mac, the system stores extra data that 
associates the file with the program that created it.


this was true until 10.6 ... starting with Snow Leopard, the creator 
code associations are no longer respected by the system and the filename 
extension rules all; this is a huge step backward, imo, because many 
workflows involve the same _types_ of files opening in different 
applications



That can be both a blessing and a curse... and it's the reason why Windows users will see 
lots of small files starting with "._" on shared drives.


the "._" files hold much more than the old type & creator code; they 
hold other metadata that is incompatible with Windows & Linux 
filesystems, and will appear even for files without type & creator codes



And you override all this by just dragging the file into the app, or right-click the icon 
and choose the app from the list under "Open With."


that is how i open almost all files; it's also a way to avoid most 
Trojan horses


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Re: OT GPS Devices

[Christian Skofteland]

On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 06:29:53PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
> So, I decided to update my less than 1 year old TomTom and the
> bastards want me to pay for the pleasure. Now, there is nothing
> wrong with the unit, it just kinda irks me.
> So, what's a good GPS unit?
> I'm interested in either a Garmin or a Magellan since I now have a
> hate on for the folks at TomTom.
> Is this a situation where the more you spend the better you get? Or
> does it really matter?
> One thing about the TomTom that I don't like is that it often takes
> 5 minutes or more to find a signal, this being in the countryside,
> so it's not like as if I'm trying to find my way across downtown
> Chicago with the thing.
> Do any of the units have a reputation for better back road maps? Can
> any of the units be updated on the fly?
> etc.
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> 
> William Robb
> 

My wife and I are very happy with our Garmin (it has free lifetime traffic 
subscription) and my parents just bought a Magellan (also with the traffic 
feature included) that they are very happy with.  I think those two brands have 
the better reputations in the industry which is why we ended up buying the 
units.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[steve harley]

On 2010-06-02 03:32 , AlunFoto wrote:

Besides, people use their computers for more purposes than just image
storage/processing, and a little understanding really goes a long way.


so might we expand László Moholy-Nagy's famous quote to say:

"The illiterate of the future will be ignorant of the use of the camera, 
computer and pen alike. "




Both with regards to file management, backup and online security. Many
users don't want to spend time learning how to use a computer; they
just want it to do what they imagine it can do for them. I guess Apple
marketing has been successful playing up to this dream, and thus
attract many users that just can't be bothered.


i think Apple attempts to address these needs with an "appliance" 
approach rather than "study the user manual, practice, stress about it 
and maybe you'll get it right"; i personally believe that simplicity is 
overrated, but i also see that Apple's (and Microsoft's, and others') 
attempts in these areas do actually help people; for example the fact 
that Time Machine kicks in automatically on Macs means that a lot of 
people who would be haphazard or completely negligent with backups are 
actually getting decent backups without much effort; i have read many 
testimonials that "Time Machine saved my butt"


any system like this is bound to mean annoyance, confusion or even 
trouble for some; i am having trouble finding the perfect stove for my 
home too, because many are too "automatic" or have a fifth burner i 
don't want; the simpler ones for some reason are more expensive


however Macs are extremely configurable for those who learn how; for 
example Time Machine may not be the best solution for photographers; 
among other reasons, those who use Lightroom or Aperture may wind up 
storing versions of databases that store versions, or users may already 
be exploiting backup features in these applications ... so photographers 
need to know how to configure Time Machine to avoid redundant 
redundancy, or how to choose an alternate backup scheme



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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Larry Colen]

I like the guy in the background of this:

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/content/PDML_Gallery_37_large.html

On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

> Thanks, Rob
> 
> -p
> 
> On 6/2/2010 6:38 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>> On 02/06/2010, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
>>   
>>> A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...
>>> 
>>> http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html
>>> 
>>> Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200
>>> 
>> Another great set of images! ;-)
>> 
>>   
>> 
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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Paul Sorenson]

I didn't notice him until I saw the image on a larger screen.  Guess he 
was looking for his 15 (or less) minutes of fame. :-)


-p

On 6/2/2010 1:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I like the guy in the background of this:

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/content/PDML_Gallery_37_large.html

On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

   

Thanks, Rob

-p

On 6/2/2010 6:38 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
 

On 02/06/2010, Paul Sorenson   wrote:

   

A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html

Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200

 

Another great set of images! ;-)




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Milton Keynes PDML meeting

[Chris Mitchell]

Just a reminder - we're going to Bletchley Park on Sunday 6 June (D-Day).
www.bletchleypark.org.uk

At the moment it's just Bob W and me (Cotty has found a lame excuse related
to earning money).

So any other UK (or nearby) PDMLers who want to rescue me from spending the
day on my own with the charming and erudite Bob Walkden, please form an
orderly queue.

I'll be picking Bob up from MK railway station at approx 11am and handing
over his signed copy of the PDML book [the one which says "what a shame you
couldn't come to Chicago instead of Chris" ;-) ]. We'll see some MK sights,
have the traditional PDML spot of lunch and go to Bletchley Park afterwards.

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Re: Photos from Hallett Motor Speedway

[eckinator]

2010/5/28  :
>
> "The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer." Albert Maysles

Major League of Photography:
"Ecke Maisel-Maysles. I shoot like Maisel and I see like Maysles"
(not seriously thinking so)

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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[William Robb]

On 01/06/2010 11:35 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html

Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200

-p



Good God, you've made that first picture look like I'm holding court or 
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Re: PUGs are up

[eckinator]

Domain Registration seems valid - see line marked +++ so it must be
not so much web server down but rather DNS records not published as
nslookup indicates missing A records for the ns.komkon.org and
ns.komkon.com name servers whereas ns.frontex.com was found but is
unresponsive so there isn't even a way to look up the records. They're
past TTL so all cached records have expired as well. Clearly a case of
Admin-C / Tech-C responsibility.

Ecke


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2010/6/2 William Robb :
> On 01/06/2010 6:22 PM, Michael Beacom wrote:
>>
>> "Safari can’t open the page “http://pug.komkon.org/10apr/index.html”
>> because Safari can’t find the server “pug.komkon.org”." Tried at 00:15
>> UTC, 6-1-2010
>
> It appears that the Komkon server is down, as komkon.org isn't there.
>
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Re: Photos from Hallett Motor Speedway

[eckinator]

010/6/2 eckinator :
> 2010/5/28  :
>>
>> "The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer." Albert Maysles
>
> Major League of Photography:
> "Ecke Maisel-Maysles. I shoot like Maisel and I see like Maysles"
> (not seriously thinking so)

No wait. I forgot Frank Jay Haynes.
"Ecke Maysles-Haynes. I see like Maysles and I shoot like Haynes"

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/2/2010 7:27 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM, P. J. Alling
  wrote:

   

Which don't necessarily need file extensions, there are a variety of methods 
that
would work without extensions that don't involve magic.
 

There are also methods that DO involve magic.

http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man5/magic.5.html

   

So whey the curse "It's F*ckin' Black Magic". for me.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 02:54 , steve harley wrote:


On 2010-05-31 12:22 , P. J. Alling wrote:

Richer and better educated doesn't necessarly translate to more
intellegent.


which is why i didn't say i had disproved the assertion; just  
pointing out how fruitless my search for the "study" had been


Though it used to be that Mac users didn't want to know anything  
about

the mechanics of their boxes and Dos/Windows users were forced to.


And that was most likely what they used at the office, so they had to  
learn it well enough because IT took forever and always denigrated me  
while they fixed it "I'll show them!".




that stereotype was mostly generated by Apple marketing -- playing  
to people's insecurities about whatever computer they were using


i don't know that it was ever really well-founded

but from my perspective almost no one shows much interest in how the  
computers they use work, regardless of the brand, and largely  
uncorrelated with intelligence


By and large Macs are bought by people for the reason Steve  
postulated. "Have to have a computer, Macs are easier."


Anyone who uses any brand of computer becomes proficient in what they  
use it for and the software they use. If an amateur photographer from  
newbie to skilled uses iPhoto to store, adjust and distribute their  
photos there is little need for them to buy and learn Aperture or  
Photoshop, although marketing and magazines they subscribe to  
certainly put tons of pressure on them to do so.


They certainly wouldn't know about a spreadsheet unless they use it to  
maintain a database of their camera equipment. They would most likely  
buy a copy of Bento, because it's marketed as "easy to keep a  
household inventory" which may or may not be true. I have it, started  
to use it, but found a spreadsheet much faster to set up, modify, and  
search. I had VersaCalc (iirc) then Lotus 123 on my Apple ][+.  I used  
to be a Filemaker guru on the Apple IIgs, FileMaker Pro on the Mac  
IIfx, so I'm not unaware of database use. Databases take more time to  
configure, but are generally better in the long run for inventoried  
items, because of their search engine speed and report generation.


Most likely they were amateurs who, when they planned the trip,  
realized that had to bring a laptop along to d/l their images from  
their cameras, modify in some way, and store. "Hey, I'd better get a  
laptop now and figure out how to do that so I don't look like a dummy.  
Apple (Macbook) is supposed to be easy, I'll pick up one of those  
tomorrow (and learn it in 6 weeks)." If they used a laptop at work, it  
was likely a Dell, and that's what they brought, and knew how to use.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 04:44 , AlunFoto wrote:


For example, one of the guys made a
substantial (his word) income from printing fine art for other
artists. He owned one of those giant Epsons, nine thousand something.
I had to help him recover his LR catalogue twice, convert his emails
to text-only, help him set up his Macbook PRO to take backup to his
portable disk... In general I have never seen anyone struggle so much
with a computer interface has he did. He still maintained, though,
that Mac was simpler than PC. From watching him, I was less convinced.

He was a damn fine photographer, though.



He was a photo savant. Computer? Feh!

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Re: Camping at GFM

[eckinator]

2010/6/2 mike wilson :
>>
>> A cleft stick must be explicitly cloven. The Imperial Abyssinian Post Office
>> probably has a Department of Stick Cleaving for the purpose. In fact (drum
>> roll...) they have one in every branch (cue side-splitting laughter).
>
> Haile unlikely.

AFAIK Hamid Karn't Sai

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 06:11 , William Robb wrote:


With Mac, you are locked in to what Steve Jobs tells you to buy.
Now I realize that he and Jesus Christ are one and the same to  
(apparently most) Mac users, but I still like the option of choice.



Then for daddy God's sake, buy a Mac and use the terminal interface,  
Bill. You will feel refreshed.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 06:27 , William Robb wrote:


I reiterate: Adobe had 1.5 years advance notice. Apple made available
lists of software that would break. Adobe was at the top of the alpha
list. Adobe, in couched terms, basically said their software would  
break

under undisclosed circumstances.


So what you are saying is that it is Adobe's job to rewrite software  
that is already on the market to pander to a computer maker's broken  
new OS?
How about the OS maker ensuring that their system is compliant with  
what is already on the market?



That's stupid.

Adobe knew they would be coming out with a new version of CS that  
would work fine under OS 10.6, and opted to NOT do a minor upgrade to  
their legacy products, forcing their clients to spend the money for  
the upgrade to a major new version.


Apple knew that re-writing the OS to contain much more machine  
language and operate more efficiently would drop a lot of developers  
out at first. It's like OS 10.5 was written to run on many legacy  
Macs, and on the Dual Core IBM chips as well. 10.6 will only run on  
the newer Macs, and do NOT have all the crap in them that lets it run  
on much older non-IBM Macs.


Bottom line: The major OSs are written for speed and efficiency. The  
software developers that design programs to run under those OSs must  
comply with the platform they choose to write for.


Joseph McAllister
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“ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are  
the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost  
by unskilled workers!”

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 07:13 , Cotty wrote:


On 1/6/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

Just like they would in the days before computers - they would know  
what
goes on in the film just as well, but perhaps not well enough to  
start

fixing one of those humungous automated processing machines.


That should read:

...goes on in the film labs as well...



Not necessarily. It helped to know what went on in the film as well.  
That's why Kodak printed all those charts and lists that filled the  
Photo Lab Index (that I finally threw away 2 years ago).



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 07:34 , William Robb wrote:


On 01/06/2010 7:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I have never had trouble with Thunderbird.  Our office has OE, and I
consider it far less flexible and quite a bit slower.  For important
things, I always use Thunderbird.



The things I'm having problems with is OE let me choose where my  
store folder was located, which allowed me to move it off the OS  
drive and onto my mirrored drive, which made me feel a bit safer  
about data loss.
I don't think Thunderbird will allow that, and the location of it's  
store folder is rather inscrutable.
And, as I just discovered, if I walk away from the computer with an  
email in mid composition, it will leave it open, but also drop it  
into the drafts folder.
It doesn't give me the option of sending when I want to. OE would  
allow me to hit send on the message, and drop the message into the  
outbox where it would sit until I hit send on the program.  
Thunderbird just forces send.
T-Bird on configuration defaulted to IMAP, and when I pointed it to  
my Google account tried to import everything in it (several gigs  
now), which caused it to stop running.
After configuring it to POP, that went away, but I had to uninstall  
it and start again fresh, which was a minor PITA.
There are just a lot of configurable things in OE that don't seem  
available in Thunderbird.
OTOH, it spell checks inline and can be set to force spell check  
prior to sending, while OE had to be told to spell check, so there  
is some small good along with the inexplicably bad.


I guess I can't complain too much, it didn't cost me anything to  
download it, but after a week of using T-Bird I am really missing OE.



Are you saying that Bill Gates, the other JC in the room, took  
something away and forced you to use something else, in essence  
dictating what you had to use? Impossible.  :-)



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 07:46 , P. J. Alling wrote:

Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of  
reasons that's unlikely with either.  Why give sustenance to your  
enemy?




http://tinyurl.com/23qnozo



On 6/1/2010 10:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Google has apparently decided to ban the use of MS operating systems
in its facilities, making employees switch to Macs or Linux.  Then
again, what does Google know?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html

Dan




On 01/06/2010 1:53 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

As I aged, however, I became more and more pleased that Apple  
made the
machines unpack and plug-in to play. Why screw around if you  
don't have

to. :-)

Yes well, you can buy an off the shelf PC if you want to. I have  
a lot of
friends who do just that, and they bring their machines home,  
uncrate it and

get to work.
With Mac, you are locked in to what Steve Jobs tells you to buy.
Now I realize that he and Jesus Christ are one and the same to  
(apparently

most) Mac users, but I still like the option of choice.


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[Toine]

By Albert Kahn:

http://citynoise.org/article/10598

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 07:44 , William Robb wrote:


On 01/06/2010 8:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Google has apparently decided to ban the use of MS operating systems
in its facilities, making employees switch to Macs or Linux.  Then
again, what does Google know?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html


They know the same thing that everyone else knows, which is that  
virus writers and hackers prey primarily on PC users.

This is hardly news.
I suspect that moves like this will spur the bad guys to target Macs  
a little more, probably leveling the playing field somewhat. Were I  
a Mac user, I would be more concerned than elated by this sort of  
thing.



Mac users are too Zen inspired to be concerned about this sort of thing.

AUM


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:21 , P. J. Alling wrote:

Much as I'd like to see Linux take off, it doesn't give me  
confidence, and Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along  
without making major inroads into their core business.


If Microsoft gets it's act back together, easier said than done, it  
may make Google more than a bit uncomfortable.  In the past MS  
hasn't been above dirty tricks to maintain it's market share and  
probably wouldn't be above such activities in gaining market share  
either.  But MS has the power of inertia behind it.  Apple doesn't.



http://tinyurl.com/23qnozo



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[William Robb]

On 02/06/2010 2:38 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:



Are you saying that Bill Gates, the other JC in the room, took something
away and forced you to use something else, in essence dictating what you
had to use? Impossible. :-)


Yeah, the buggers took away Outlook Express and replaced it with

nothing.

So, while they aren't dictating what I have to use, they have taken away 
a tool that I was both familiar with and which suited my needs very well.
OTOH, I'd be even more unhappy if the new OS didn't support my old 
software and hardware, but so far that hasn't been an issue at all.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:56 , William Robb wrote:


On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote:


Diversity has its benefits:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html




The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too  
much either.



You f*** with Apple, you get burned!

Actually, the employees of both companies collaborate on so many  
things you'd be amazed. At least they sure did when I was working in  
the field. It's up in the ivory towers that the strife and drumming  
takes place.



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 17:45 , William Robb wrote:


On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote:






Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that.




He's a millionaire investment banker who retired at the age of 50.  
His last investment account was something like 35 billion dollars  
that he was working with the CIBC. He's a very secure individual.
But, you think what you want if it raises your level of self worth.  
I won't think any less of you for it.




No smiley. Now you've just dropped down to the "nuisance prick" level.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM, William Robb  wrote:

> Yeah, the buggers took away Outlook Express and replaced it with
>
> nothing.

They replaced it with Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Mail

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[William Robb]

On 02/06/2010 2:48 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:21 , P. J. Alling wrote:


Much as I'd like to see Linux take off, it doesn't give me confidence,
and Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major
inroads into their core business.

If Microsoft gets it's act back together, easier said than done, it
may make Google more than a bit uncomfortable. In the past MS hasn't
been above dirty tricks to maintain it's market share and probably
wouldn't be above such activities in gaining market share either. But
MS has the power of inertia behind it. Apple doesn't.



http://tinyurl.com/23qnozo



I suspect that if Microsoft had started making telephones, and MP3 
players, they would have landed back in front of the US Senate on 
combines investigation charges again.
I must admit, the iPad looks like a pretty cool toy, though time will 
only tell if it grows up past that market.
I suspect I'd get one of those before I bought another laptop, since I 
don't especially need a real computer when I'm traveling.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[William Robb]

On 02/06/2010 2:59 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM, William Robb  wrote:


Yeah, the buggers took away Outlook Express and replaced it with

nothing.


They replaced it with Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Mail



Yes, I am aware of Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail.
It doesn't change my outlook, so to speak.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:00 PM, William Robb  wrote:

> I suspect that if Microsoft had started making telephones, and MP3 players,
> they would have landed back in front of the US Senate on combines
> investigation charges again.

Microsoft makes the Zune media players and the Kin phones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zune
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Kin

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:04 PM, William Robb  wrote:

> Yes, I am aware of Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail.
> It doesn't change my outlook, so to speak.

So what the fuck did you mean when you said that Microsoft replaced
Outlook Express with "nothing"?

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[William Robb]

On 02/06/2010 3:06 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:



So what the fuck did you mean when you said that Microsoft replaced
Outlook Express with "nothing"?



Temper there me boy, there's no need for that. I looked at Live Mail, 
decided that it wasn't what I wanted.

Which makes it nothing.
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[William Robb]

On 02/06/2010 3:06 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:04 PM, William Robb  wrote:


Yes, I am aware of Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail.
It doesn't change my outlook, so to speak.


So what the fuck did you mean when you said that Microsoft replaced
Outlook Express with "nothing"?



It also wanted me to install a bunch of other stuff that I didn't want. 
which actually makes it worse than nothing...


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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Bob W]

Good God, you've made that first picture look like I'm holding court or 
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Re: Milton Keynes PDML meeting

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Subject: Milton Keynes PDML meeting


Just a reminder - we're going to Bletchley Park on Sunday 6 June (D-Day).
www.bletchleypark.org.uk

At the moment it's just Bob W and me (Cotty has found a lame excuse 
related

to earning money).

So any other UK (or nearby) PDMLers who want to rescue me from spending 
the

day on my own with the charming and erudite Bob Walkden, please form an
orderly queue.

I'll be picking Bob up from MK railway station at approx 11am and handing
over his signed copy of the PDML book [the one which says "what a shame 
you
couldn't come to Chicago instead of Chris" ;-) ]. We'll see some MK 
sights,
have the traditional PDML spot of lunch and go to Bletchley Park 
afterwards.




I'm bringing my M3 and some Tri-X to capture that olde worlde computer 
thinge





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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[steve harley]

On 2010-06-02 14:16 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

I used to be a
Filemaker guru on the Apple IIgs, FileMaker Pro on the Mac IIfx, so I'm
not unaware of database use.


time-warp alert -- i'm a FileMaker "lifer" since Claris bought it 
(FileMaker II, 1988), and i'm sure the original FileMaker release was 
Macintosh only


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[steve harley]

On 2010-06-02 14:30 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

Adobe knew they would be coming out with a new version of CS that would
work fine under OS 10.6, and opted to NOT do a minor upgrade to their
legacy products, forcing their clients to spend the money for the
upgrade to a major new version.


once again, CS3 runs fine on Mac OS X 10.6; CS2 i believe may run but 
with more hassles (i run a mix of CS2 and CS4 on 10.5)


also, once Adobe releases a major version (e.g. CS4 released ), at most 
they only do a few security updates to previous versions; so users 
should never have expected CS3 to be updated specifically to run on 10.6 
(the last CS3 update was January 2008); in fact it's a bit surprising it 
works on 10.6, which may mean Apple made some compromises to keep CS3 
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[P N Stenquist]

On Jun 2, 2010, at 5:33 PM, steve harley wrote:


On 2010-06-02 14:30 , Joseph McAllister wrote:
Adobe knew they would be coming out with a new version of CS that  
would

work fine under OS 10.6, and opted to NOT do a minor upgrade to their
legacy products, forcing their clients to spend the money for the
upgrade to a major new version.


once again, CS3 runs fine on Mac OS X 10.6; CS2 i believe may run  
but with more hassles (i run a mix of CS2 and CS4 on 10.5)


also, once Adobe releases a major version (e.g. CS4 released ), at  
most they only do a few security updates to previous versions; so  
users should never have expected CS3 to be updated specifically to  
run on 10.6 (the last CS3 update was January 2008); in fact it's a  
bit surprising it works on 10.6, which may mean Apple made some  
compromises to keep CS3 running


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on my desktop. No problems with either. I did have problems printing  
with the Epson driver when I had 10.6 on my desktop, but that wasn't  
adobe specific.

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Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling"

On 5/31/2010 5:33 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: "P. J. Alling"

>> crysus vs crises  how did the spell checker let me send that?
>>

>
> It expected you to take "personal responsibility."  ;-D


It was a little, (very), joke...




Yeah, mine too. I guess we both have "small" minds.  8^)

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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Paul Sorenson]

I thought you were...  ;-)

-p

On 6/2/2010 2:57 PM, William Robb wrote:

On 01/06/2010 11:35 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html

Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200

-p



Good God, you've made that first picture look like I'm holding court 
or something.




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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling"

On 6/1/2010 4:30 AM, Cotty wrote:

> On 31/5/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>

>> Seventy-five percent of statistics on the internet are made up on the
>> spot anyway.
>>  

> Mark!
>


Since that's just a minor variation on the original, (drop"on the 
internet" and you've got it), this isn't really cleaver enough to 
deserve a "Mark!".




It's not even that. It's an automatic cliché response to any argument 
involving statistics.


It's similar to how any question on PDML that includes "How many such 
and so ...? " is sooner or later answered with "42".


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 20:13 , William Robb wrote:


Is that a Tom or a Queen you would prefer???
This sounds like a case of you only get to do what Steve thinks you  
should do.
Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was  
talking about computers with an acquaintance who is both a Mac user  
and an idiot. I mentioned something about file extensions and he  
didn't have a clue what I was talking about.
He said (and I paraphrase)  "we don't use file extensions on Macs,  
we just click the icon and it opens.

Apparently Macs just know what the file is by magic



As you probably already know, the Mac OS gives the user a choice of  
showing the file extensions or not. The premise being, as you say, you  
just click on it and it knows what app to launch to view it. Just like  
in Windows.


The majority of what you see and how it's used in Windows was borrowed  
from the Mac GUI, and yes, it was borrowed in the first place. Sort of  
like when I type this, I am borrowing the use of the alphabetical  
letters someone thought up a long time ago as a way to communicate.  
Don't have to pay a fee to use them either, other than to read your  
distain of people using  computers who occasionally wear tie died T's  
and don't need to be told that a Doc file is a Doc file. After all,  
the ICON is a page with lines of type on it! Something will open when  
I click it!


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Re: Photos from Hallett Motor Speedway

[eckinator]

I apologize, Ted, I completely omitted any comment about your photos -
I quite enjoyed them, especially those of the vintage cars - can one
call them race rods? - and nice panning action there, too. Also, the
one of the Miata behind the Super Seven =) Tiny nit - can you modify
your website so I can see them bigger?
Thank you for sharing
Ecke
PS: http://slidingintohome.blogspot.com/2010/04/shades-of-willie-mays-hayes.html
- Google just came up with this

2010/6/2 eckinator :
> 010/6/2 eckinator :
>> 2010/5/28  :
>>>
>>> "The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer." Albert Maysles
>>
>> Major League of Photography:
>> "Ecke Maisel-Maysles. I shoot like Maisel and I see like Maysles"
>> (not seriously thinking so)
>
> No wait. I forgot Frank Jay Haynes.
> "Ecke Maysles-Haynes. I see like Maysles and I shoot like Haynes"
>

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Adam Maas]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:00 PM, William Robb  wrote:
>
> I suspect that if Microsoft had started making telephones, and MP3 players,
> they would have landed back in front of the US Senate on combines
> investigation charges again.
> I must admit, the iPad looks like a pretty cool toy, though time will only
> tell if it grows up past that market.
> I suspect I'd get one of those before I bought another laptop, since I don't
> especially need a real computer when I'm traveling.
>
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> William Robb
>

Microsoft currently makes an MP3 player, the excellent Zune, and has
made Telephones in the past (A nice one which integrated with Win98 so
all your contacts were automatically available via the phone if they
had a listed Phone number).


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 21:48 , P. J. Alling wrote:


Is that a Tom or a Queen you would prefer???
This sounds like a case of you only get to do what Steve thinks you  
should do.
Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was  
talking about computers with an acquaintance who is both a Mac user  
and an idiot. I mentioned something about file extensions and he  
didn't have a clue what I was talking about.
He said (and I paraphrase)  "we don't use file extensions on Macs,  
we just click the icon and it opens.

Apparently Macs just know what the file is by magic




Some file systems don't use extensions, they associate programs and  
data using other methods.  I don't know how Apple did it in the pre  
OS-X days, (I didn't care enough to actually learn), but Now I  
assume they use the Unix conventions.  Which don't necessarily need  
file extensions, there are a variety of methods that would work  
without extensions that don't involve magic.  I find it very  
annoying that Microsoft wants to look like Apple so much that they  
hide file extensions by default, even though the extensions are there.


Apple uses them, but has pretty much always hidden them. Early on you  
had to "Get Info" about a file to find it's type. Now you have a  
choice as to either show them or not. I show them, so I don't have to  
"Get Info" to know. It doesn't matter really, as all you have to do is  
click on any file to make something dance and show you it's  
stuff.:-)


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Bob W]

[...]
and maybe you'll get it right"; i personally believe that simplicity is 
overrated, [...]>


any system like this is bound to mean annoyance, confusion or even trouble 
for some; i am having trouble finding the perfect stove for my home too, 
because many are too "automatic" or have a fifth burner i don't want; the 
simpler ones for some reason are more expensive


"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it 
so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to 
make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first 
method is far more difficult"

--- C A R Hoare.



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Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

[John Sessoms]

From: Tom C

Having checked the stats...

In 2007... children aged:

<1... 57 drownings
1-4.. 458 drownings (#1 rank of deaths by
unintentional injury for 2007 in this age group)
5-9.. 122 drownings

apparently people get stupider as they age as opposed to smarter for a while...

10-14... 102
15-19... 630

and the numbers hover in the 300's/400's on up through all ages


I don't know if the raw numbers tell the whole story though.

There were three adult drownings in North Carolina over the Memorial Day 
Weekend. All three lost their lives while trying to rescue children.


The children were rescued.



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 2, 2010, at 02:32 , AlunFoto wrote:


2010/6/1 Cotty :
In my experience, those who make a living from the tools they use  
make

it a point to understand them and ensure they keep working, be that
cameras, lenses or computers. In this respect, it will be the same  
for

PC users and Mac users.


Of course it should be the same. Keeping on top of computer issues is
a prerequisite for successful business for any photographer. But it's
a beancounter's argument. Any person interested in saving his or her
memories of such a trip would be a lot better off with some general
computer understanding.

Besides, people use their computers for more purposes than just image
storage/processing, and a little understanding really goes a long way.
Both with regards to file management, backup and online security. Many
users don't want to spend time learning how to use a computer; they
just want it to do what they imagine it can do for them. I guess Apple
marketing has been successful playing up to this dream, and thus
attract many users that just can't be bothered.

Doesn't say a thing about the quality of the system, of course. But
Apple will eventually find itself in trouble if they don't deliver to
this group.

Jostein



They do.

You can use your Mac (iMac, MacBook, Whatever) right out of the box.  
Just like you can drive a new car off the lot without looking at the  
manual. But just like your car, you had better sit down and read the  
owner's manual and get an inkling of when to change the oil, where the  
fuse panel is, and a plethora of other niceties that will make your  
ownership for the life of the product more enjoyable and comfortable  
to operate.


Many new Mac users do not read manuals until something goes wrong.  
It's in their genes, and external programming that makes them think it  
is so. The same is true of 90% of folks who buy a new car. Of course,  
these days you just wait until an reminder pops up on the screen in  
your dash for most maintenance. Probably a diagram if you want to know  
where the rear wiper cleaning fluid reservoir is so you can fill it.  
That capability, by the way, probably cost you more than a new Mac  
would.


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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Cotty]

On 2/6/10, Paul Sorenson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...
>
>http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html
>
>Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200

Enjoyed this gallery very much Paul.

The portraits are very good, especially of Ted and Annsan, and what to
say about this?



Surely there are one or two state laws being broken here as well as
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Re: Milton Keynes PDML meeting

[Cotty]

On 2/6/10, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>We'll see some MK sights,

I never thought these words would present themselves in this order to
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Re: OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

[John Sessoms]

from: Paul Stenquist

Since there was so much earnest debate of the forgotten-child issue
here, I thought some might want to see the followup on the Times blog
this morning.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/as-the-weather-warms-hyperthermia-deaths-mount/


Good ideas what can be done RIGHT NOW while Congress decides if and how 
forgotten-child warning systems should be implemented.


I hope your article will stimulate public awareness, and if that averts 
even one such tragedy your effort will be well rewarded.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 2, 2010, at 04:27 , Matthew Hunt wrote:


On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

Which don't necessarily need file extensions, there are a variety  
of methods that

would work without extensions that don't involve magic.


There are also methods that DO involve magic.

http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man5/magic.5.html




See? Told you!

Thanks Matthew!

I haven't read any developers pages since 1995, and didn't have a clue  
what was behind the green curtain.


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Re: Early 1900s in Colour

[Bob W]

By Albert Kahn:

http://citynoise.org/article/10598

Toine


fantastic stuff. There's a book of his stuff knocking around too - it's well 
worth looking at.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[John Sessoms]

From: William Robb

On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote:

> On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote:

>> Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing,
>> TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing
>> but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give
>> sustenance to your enemy?

>
> uh, Google and Apple are the more obvious sparring partners at this point
>


It is possible to have more than one competitor at a time.


Texas Cage Match rules - the weaker opponents gang up to take out the 
strongest before going after each other.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Cotty]

On 1/6/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I've been using the Macs at school for a week now. My first impression
>is either the Mac programmers are idiots or they think their users are.
>
>I have to read a document. It's in PDF format. I double click the icon
>to open it, and it doesn't open, instead I get a dialog box telling me
>it's a PDF document and asking me if I want to open this PDF document?
>
>Nah ... why would I want to do that? I just didn't have anything better
>to do than randomly open folders and double click icons.
>
>Had to buy one of those Le Cie rugged drives to store my files on and to
>use for transferring images from my Windoze box. The first time I
>started it up it had a wizard that allowed me to partition it and make a
>32GB FAT32 partition both Mac & Windoze can see (Windoze is supposed to
>be able to see it).
>
>That was pretty slick, but now every time I start it up I get a dialog
>asking if I want to use the drive to back up the school's Mac which
>requires re-formatting the entire drive with the Mac file system & I
>wouldn't be able use it to transfer files from my Windoze box to the Mac?
>
>Only gives two options "Cancel" and "Fuck up your hard drive". Why would
>they give you the option to format the drive so it can be used for both
>Mac and Windoze and then NOT give you the option to tell this program NO.

John, has anyone ever mentioned to you the fact that you are, by some
distance, a monumental twat?

I'd love to make a film about you! :)

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jun 2, 2010, at 14:00 , William Robb wrote:



http://tinyurl.com/23qnozo



I suspect that if Microsoft had started making telephones, and MP3  
players, they would have landed back in front of the US Senate on  
combines investigation charges again.
I must admit, the iPad looks like a pretty cool toy, though time  
will only tell if it grows up past that market.
I suspect I'd get one of those before I bought another laptop, since  
I don't especially need a real computer when I'm traveling.



Hooked to your Pentax, you can view important shots in hi-res right  
after you take them (but not live view) and make corrections before  
you break down and move on. Clients like to see on the spot as well.  
($29.95 adaptor required for either a card reader or a USB port into  
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Re: Milton Keynes PDML meeting

[Mark Roberts]

Chris Mitchell wrote:

Just a reminder - we're going to Bletchley Park on Sunday 6 June (D-Day).
www.bletchleypark.org.uk


Reading assignment: "The Code Book" by Simon Singh
Really good stuff!


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[steve harley]

On 2010-06-02 16:38 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

On Jun 2, 2010, at 04:27 , Matthew Hunt wrote:

There are also methods that DO involve magic.



I haven't read any developers pages since 1995,


the file command, the useful part of what magic helps with, dates to 1973

(Mac OS X does not utilize magic to decide what application should open 
a file)


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

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On Jun 2, 2010, at 14:31 , steve harley wrote:


On 2010-06-02 14:16 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

I used to be a
Filemaker guru on the Apple IIgs, FileMaker Pro on the Mac IIfx, so  
I'm

not unaware of database use.


time-warp alert -- i'm a FileMaker "lifer" since Claris bought it  
(FileMaker II, 1988), and i'm sure the original FileMaker release  
was Macintosh only



You could be and probably are correct. I had a niggling feeling I used  
it in color on my IIgs, but my brain is so swiss cheesy that I could  
be thinking yogurt.



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This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
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Re: Milton Keynes PDML meeting

[Bob W]

Just a reminder - we're going to Bletchley Park on Sunday 6 June (D-Day).
www.bletchleypark.org.uk


Reading assignment: "The Code Book" by Simon Singh
Really good stuff!



I first decided to go to Bletchley years ago, although this will be my first 
time there, after I read 'Alan Turing - The Enigma', his biography by Andrew 
Hodges (also a mathematician). It's an excellent biography and puts Turing 
and his towering achievements and disgraceful treatment by the British 
establishment into perspective. I recommend it to anyone with an interest in 
the history of computing and/or WWII.


Bob 



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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Bob W]

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html

Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200


Enjoyed this gallery very much Paul.

The portraits are very good, especially of Ted and Annsan, and what to
say about this?



Surely there are one or two state laws being broken here as well as
numerous city codes.


is that what they call 'bushwhacking'?




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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

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On Jun 2, 2010, at 15:56 , Joseph McAllister wrote:


my brain is so swiss cheesy that I could be thinking yogurt.




MARK!  if I may. I like it.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Paul Sorenson]

H - I can do that now on my el cheapo Windows notebook - and it 
doesn't require a $30 adapter...


-p

On 6/2/2010 5:47 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
Hooked to your Pentax, you can view important shots in hi-res right 
after you take them (but not live view) and make corrections before 
you break down and move on. Clients like to see on the spot as well. 
($29.95 adaptor required for either a card reader or a USB port into 
the iPad)


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Approaching GFM

[Mark Roberts]

We've had a splendid week thus far...

Lounging about and bicycling with friends through the 3-day holiday 
weekend. Then on Tuesday Lisa and I hiked on Grandfather Mountain: The 
Cragway and Daniel Boone trails up to Calloway peak and then on to Attic 
Window peak. Around 9.5 miles all told, with well over 2000 ft total 
climb (and, to the dismay of my quadriceps, descent). Weather and light 
weren't very cooperative, so I didn't get any portfolio shots, but I did 
grab some interesting wildflower photos. I may post some later... when 
I'm not on a dial-up connection :)


Then today we hit the Blue Ridge Parkway for some bicycling. Around 30 
miles total with lots of big hills. We stopped in at GFM at the midpoint 
and chatted with the people there. (Landis says "hi", Doug).


Don Nelson, the organizer of the Nature Photography Weekend, was there, 
having arrived yesterday. Many of you will have heard much about him 
over the years and seen the video of the tribute they/we held for him 
last year after his long and grueling bout with Hodgkin's Lymphoma. 
We're pleased to report that he seems quite a bit healthier this year. 
Still a bit on the weak and frail side, to be sure, but definitely 
stronger than last year.


Tomorrow Lisa has to fly back to Boston to resume doctorin' and I'll be 
headed to the mountain for the weekend. Weather permitting (in the most 
British sense of the phrase) I'll be doing my yearly bivouac out in the 
wild, as high on the mountain as I can get. Then heading back to base 
camp to get on with the business of the Nature Photography Weekend.


Reports to follow...



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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Bob Sullivan]

Paul,
Very nice gallery.
I thought your picture of 'the bean' was one of the best I've seen.
It gave it a real sense of size and scale.
The pan with the 'L' train is great.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...
>
> http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html
>
> Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200
>
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Re: Milton Keynes PDML meeting

[John Francis]

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 06:50:08PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Chris Mitchell wrote:
>> Just a reminder - we're going to Bletchley Park on Sunday 6 June (D-Day).
>> www.bletchleypark.org.uk
>
> Reading assignment: "The Code Book" by Simon Singh
> Really good stuff!

I have a copy on the bookshelf beside my desk, together with "Code Breakers:
The Inside Story of Bletchley Park".  Both, IIRC, were purchased in the gift
shop at Bletchley Park.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[John Sessoms]

From: paul stenquist

On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:56 PM, William Robb wrote:

> On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
> 

>> Diversity has its benefits:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html
>> 
>> 
> 
> The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too much either.
> 
> 

For a company valued at 222 billion, that's a drop in the bucket.



Were they worth $222 billion when Microsoft invested that $150 million?

That was a long time ago. Apple was worth more like a couple billion 
dollars back then. Apple almost went under.


When Microsoft's investment was announced Apple's stock went up 40% the 
next day to $19.75. Apple's stock was selling for about $12.00 a share 
before Microsoft's announcement (compared to the current price of 
$263.87 at today's close).


More valuable to Apple at the time than the $150 million dollars was 
Microsoft's commitment to provide Mac versions of Microsoft Office in 
the future.


In return, Microsoft got a commitment from Apple to make IE the default 
web browser on the Mac, which helped Microsoft in their campaign to 
crush Netscape, and an ally in Apple in their struggle against SUN for 
control over Java, to insure Java would never be a threat to Windows.


Anyone remember the promise of "platform independence"?

Do you reckon Apple's current dispute with Adobe over Flash has any 
different motivation than Microsoft's dispute with SUN over Java?



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Adam Maas]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> On Jun 2, 2010, at 14:31 , steve harley wrote:
>
>> On 2010-06-02 14:16 , Joseph McAllister wrote:
>>>
>>> I used to be a
>>> Filemaker guru on the Apple IIgs, FileMaker Pro on the Mac IIfx, so I'm
>>> not unaware of database use.
>>
>> time-warp alert -- i'm a FileMaker "lifer" since Claris bought it
>> (FileMaker II, 1988), and i'm sure the original FileMaker release was
>> Macintosh only
>
>
> You could be and probably are correct. I had a niggling feeling I used it in
> color on my IIgs, but my brain is so swiss cheesy that I could be thinking
> yogurt.
>
>
> If it doesn’t excite you,
> This thing that you see,
> Why in the world,
> Would it excite me?
> —Jay Maisel
>
> Joseph McAllister
> pentax...@mac.com

Filemaker originated as Nutshell for MS-DOS. It got a GUI and moved to
the Mac as Filemaker, then came back to the PC as a Windows app. Was
never on the // platform at all.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Adam Maas]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

>
> Do you reckon Apple's current dispute with Adobe over Flash has any
> different motivation than Microsoft's dispute with SUN over Java?
>

Flash remains the largest common security vulnerability on Macs. I
really hope Apple wins this one even if they are being evil.


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Re: PESO- Shafts

[Jack Davis]

Very nice look and feel to it, Bruce! Perfectly exposed..as usual.

Jack

--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: PESO- Shafts
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 4:19 PM
> On a campout over the weekend - early
> morning light cutting through
> the trees.
> 
> Pentax K-x, DA *50-135/2.8 @ 50mm
> ISO 1600, 1/400 sec @ f/7.1, Handheld
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/fathersons2010_00115-1.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
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> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[steve harley]

On 2010-06-02 17:03 , Paul Sorenson wrote:

H - I can do that now on my el cheapo Windows notebook - and it
doesn't require a $30 adapter...


they are different critters; among other things, unlike your cheapito, 
the iPad has a very nice IPS display and it can play movies for 12 hours 
on one battery charge


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