PESO 2010 - 129 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A poesy available for your viewing ... along with another photograph,  
of course.


  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/transition-to-parts

comments always appreciated, thanks for looking.

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PESO: Basketball Reject

[phil]

I like to go to our local team's home games and of course I take my camera.

The fast action is difficult to foillow with the camera, even thouigh I
played the game for many years.  But with much practice I think I am
starting to get the hang of photographing the games.

http://philnortheast.com/aviewfinderdarkly/general/potw/basketballreject.htm

K10D DA*50-135mm  1/250  @ f3.5   ISO 1600 (on auto).

The Noise Ninja plugin in Bibble5 reduced the noise considerably


Phil Northeast
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Re: OT -- It had to happen...

[Northeast Media]

It was a great TV show





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Be Seeing you...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/budget-cuts-force-british-government-to-shut-down,17763/

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OT -- It had to happen...

[P. J. Alling]

Be Seeing you...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/budget-cuts-force-british-government-to-shut-down,17763/

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Re: A tale of the new bigma

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-07-27 20:19, Larry Colen wrote:

Something you folks may find amusing.

I was chatting with a friend at the dojo today. He recently bought an image 
stabilized Sigma 50-500 for his Canon 7D, but returned it because he didn't 
want to pay $1600 for a lens where the pictures weren't perfectly sharp.  He 
also mused that his sensor may have contributed to it, since it isn't full 
frame.  Later in the conversation it turned out that he was shooting with the 
lens hand held.


Wow, wonder if it's available at a discount because it's been opened. :-)

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Re: weatherproof vs sandproof?

[Christine Nielsen]

That's the sort of thing I'm afraid of.  So far, so good, but I'll
keep an eye on it.  Figures - we leave in ten days for vacation, and
this is my go-to walk-around lens.  So, the CLA will probably have to
wait, unless something ugly happens in the meantime.

On the bright side, I'm quite happy I left my "nice" lens at home

-c



On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

>
> I had a grain of sand get into my PFA-50/1.4.  The focusing wedged, and like 
> a fool, I pushed it past it.  Despite later getting it cleaned it's still 
> notchy where the teeth got garfed from the grit.
>
> If you see ANY sign of problems with the lens, I'd take it in to be cleaned.  
> If you can get by without the lens for a while, this might be a good time for 
> a CLA.
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RE: PESO - Abstract in Black and Gold

[John Coyle]

Nice one Brian - there is a similar effect on Stradbroke Island (just an
hour from Brisbane by ferry), where there is a lake with copper-coloured
water on almost white sand: not pollution, just naturally occurring
minerals.


John in Brisbane




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G'day all

A shot from my recent trip to Noosa on Queensland's Sunshine Coast.  I
came across this creek with black deposits in the rippled sand beneath
the tannin coloured water.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP6898peso.html


K200D with 16-45 mm DA zoom.


Comments, brickbats, welcome.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO - Akershus/Magic

[John Sessoms]

From: Toralf Lund

Rick Womer wrote:

> Mickey Mouse has several toy boats:
>
> http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/
>   
Indeed. And I'm wondering if this time next year, I will notice that he 
has left an even bigger floating toy in the same location:


http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/dream/


Yeah, but the line for Space Mountain is still too long.

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Re: Geso 30 for 30

[Rick Womer]

This is a nice series.  What is uncanny is how much they look like each 
other--without the beard on one of them (I hope it's the guy!) they'd be 
indistinguishable.

I also agree with Cotty--that one shot "says it all".

Rick

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> A couple of my friends are
> celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary today.  They
> asked me to do a photo shoot for the occasion, which
> happened yesterday.  Normally, I'd try to cull them
> down a little tighter than this, but 30 for 30 seemed
> appropriate.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
> or if it's easier to view them
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
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Re: PESO - Tom on Eleventh Street

[Michael Beacom]

On Jul 27, 2010, at 7:51 AM, William Robb wrote:



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Subject: Re: PESO - Tom on Eleventh Street


On 26/7/10, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

(cats aren't smart enough to think about much
of anything)

You have obviously never been employed by cats!


Often enough to know that they are like most managers.


I don't know- I can pretty much guarantee that unlike my cat, my boss  
would NOT purr if I were to scratch his ears.


Cheers
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Re: PESO - Top Dollar

[paul stenquist]

On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

> On 25/07/2010, P N Stenquist  wrote:
>> Shot RM's classic car auction at Meadowbrook today for a short Times
>> article. Among many great cars that went on the block were two Deusenbergs,
>> a few Rolls, a Stutz Bearcat, and an Auburn Speedster. But top dollar was
>> paid for a Chrysler: the 1953 Thomas Special. Designed by Virgil Exner, it
>> was a styling exercise that was actually produced and driven by Chrysler's
>> CEO. I believe it has the early 331 cubic inch version of the first Chrysler
>> hemi V8. It went for $840,000.
> 
> Nice shot. That's an amazing looking car for the period, what's under
> the chrome covers at the very front of the fenders?

Thanks Rob. I think the chrome caps on the end of the fenders are just 
surrounds for the turn signals. A little fifties-style window dressing. While 
Exner designed the body, Ghia built it. Under the skin, it's a shortened 
Chrysler New Yorker, which was a reasonably nice chassis and powertrain for the 
day. As far as I could tell, the restoration is flawless.

The pic and a short article about the auction are on the NY Times website:
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/at-meadow-brook-auction-chryslers-bring-bidders-high-and-low/#more-63106

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> Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Top Dollar

[Rob Studdert]

On 25/07/2010, P N Stenquist  wrote:
> Shot RM's classic car auction at Meadowbrook today for a short Times
> article. Among many great cars that went on the block were two Deusenbergs,
> a few Rolls, a Stutz Bearcat, and an Auburn Speedster. But top dollar was
> paid for a Chrysler: the 1953 Thomas Special. Designed by Virgil Exner, it
> was a styling exercise that was actually produced and driven by Chrysler's
> CEO. I believe it has the early 331 cubic inch version of the first Chrysler
> hemi V8. It went for $840,000.

Nice shot. That's an amazing looking car for the period, what's under
the chrome covers at the very front of the fenders?

Cheers,

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Re: VESO Wentworth Falls

[Rob Studdert]

On 24/07/2010, Larry Colen  wrote:
> It is a lovely place.  I hope that you also got a few of those clips as 
> stills.

Hi Larry, I sure did, I did put a bit of time into editing the set
from the week last week but I've run out of steam for the moment. I
did manage to pull off quite a decent 28 shot pano there with the K-x
too ;-)

On 24/07/2010, Cotty  wrote:
> What an amazing location. I'd love to play in that all day!

I'm sure you would do good too, I've done it no justice at all. When
is your tip planned down under again?

On 27/07/2010, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Nicely done, Rob.
>
> I hope you had time for lunch or coffee at the Conservation Hut.

Thanks Brian, late start unfortunately, though we started out at the
Conservation Hut car park it was well closed by the time we staggered
back (only did the National Pass track this trip, but I'm not too fit
currently and I had way to much kit on my back).

Cheers all!

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Re: OT - Anyone got opinions on the Olympus Pen E-PL1?

[Rob Studdert]

On 28/07/2010, Miserere  wrote:

> During my time with the E-PL1 I carried it in my cargo pants pocket or
> jacket pocket, especially with the 17mm f/2.8 pancake; I couldn't do
> this with a K-x.

I guess that's the difference, anything that's pocketable must fit in
a regular cut jeans pocket for me and I don't often wear jackets, just
the occasional fleece. So for me even the S90 is on the boarder of
pocketable. The K-x fitted with my DA35 macro is my most luggable DSLR
kit.

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A tale of the new bigma

[Larry Colen]

Something you folks may find amusing.

I was chatting with a friend at the dojo today. He recently bought an image 
stabilized Sigma 50-500 for his Canon 7D, but returned it because he didn't 
want to pay $1600 for a lens where the pictures weren't perfectly sharp.  He 
also mused that his sensor may have contributed to it, since it isn't full 
frame.  Later in the conversation it turned out that he was shooting with the 
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Re: weatherproof vs sandproof?

[Larry Colen]

On Jul 27, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
> 
> 
> So here's my question:  now what do I do?  Is it possible that tiny
> grains of sand could get in there & gunk up the works?  My camera -
> the k7 - is "weatherproof".  The lens - a sigma 17-70 -- makes no such
> claim.  I've removed the sd card, carefully inspecting and removing
> with a brush any grains of sand around the door.  I figure I should do
> the same with the lens... but are there other steps I should be
> taking?

I had a grain of sand get into my PFA-50/1.4.  The focusing wedged, and like a 
fool, I pushed it past it.  Despite later getting it cleaned it's still notchy 
where the teeth got garfed from the grit.  

If you see ANY sign of problems with the lens, I'd take it in to be cleaned.  
If you can get by without the lens for a while, this might be a good time for a 
CLA.  
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Re: Tonight's fail

[Larry Colen]

On Jul 27, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

> Does it turn on and recognize the SD card?  From what I've heard the most 
> serious traumatic injury to K10Ds and K20Ds is the connection breaking 
> between the main circuit board (fastened to the frame) and the SD card block 
> (fastened to the battery holder).  That injury is often fatal.

Yes, other than the LCD, it seems to work fine.

I didn't run a full diagnostic series on it, mainly because I don't have one.  
Considering the failures that my first K20D came back from Pentax with, they 
don't seem to have one either.


> 
> Rick
> 
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/27/10, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> It seems that my mysteriously cracked
>> LCD on top of the K20 wasn't enough. I didn't notice that
>> the flap on my camera bag wasn't entirely closed when I
>> pulled it out of the car,  and flipping the bag over my
>> shoulder tossed the K20 out onto the pavement.  The
>> only damage I've noticed so far was to the LCD:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624591632644/
>> 
>> It's not so much that I don't really have the money for the
>> repair (I'm guessing $200), but the fact that it means I'll
>> be without the K20 for a month.
>> 
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Re: PESO: Cityscape in mixed media

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070254
>
> Comments, suggestions, criticisms and abuse all welcomed.

I like it.  Interesting juxtaposition between the modern skyscrapers
and the junk and detritus in the foreground.

Very compelling photo.

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Re: Italian for French

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Rather a jumble there, Adam, and the artifacts from the backing paper don't 
> help.

I agree.

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Re: PESO - Abstract in Black and Gold

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> What a great abstract image!   I love both the patterns and the colors.

I agree with Dan.

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Re: Tonight's fail

[Larry Colen]

On Jul 26, 2010, at 11:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> 
> On Jul 26, 2010, at 11:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Is it possible to simply disable/disconnect/disengage the top LCD from the 
>> camera? Perhaps it will be cheaper, easier to perform and you can get your 
>> camera back faster. Assuming of course you wouldn't disagree to use such a 
>> camera thereafter.
> 
> I could get by without the LCD, but there's the issue of weather sealing.  To 
> be honest. I use the K-x a lot more than the K20 anyways, it's just that I 
> sometimes want/need weather sealing, or one of the other K20 features.
> 

I sent the K20 off to Chandler this afternoon. It will be interesting to see 
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Re: OT - Anyone got opinions on the Olympus Pen E-PL1?

[Miserere]

On 27 July 2010 18:21, Rob Studdert  wrote:
>
> Great review but your paragraph: "Below is a picture taken side by
> side with the Canon S90 (read my review here). As you can see, the
> body of the E-PL1 isn’t that much larger than the S90." made me wince!
> I really couldn't imagine keeping that E-PL1 in my back pocket daily
> as I do the S90, they really are worlds apart size wise. That's why
> regardless of its flaws the S90 is such an amazing camera, personally
> if I'm going to lug about something that needs to be carried outside a
> pocket I might as well just take my K-x.

I've received a lot of comments with respect to that remark; people
really take it to heart! LOL.  No, they're not in the same size class,
but the photo was "for illustration purposes only", as in "the E-PL1
is not a ginormous camera, as can be seen when compared to the tiny
S90. Or something like that  :-)

During my time with the E-PL1 I carried it in my cargo pants pocket or
jacket pocket, especially with the 17mm f/2.8 pancake; I couldn't do
this with a K-x.

However, the truly go-anywhere camera in my arsenal is most definitely
the S90, and nobody's going to dethrone her anytime soon.


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RE: PESO: Cityscape in mixed media

[Bob W]

> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070254
> 
> Comments, suggestions, criticisms and abuse all welcomed.
> 
> Dan

that's a very bizarre and interesting photo




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Re: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>> On Larry's advice, I cropped it square and now it's in colour.  I do like
>
> it's secret Mafia code. Don Cavolfiore is going to make you a salad you
> can't refuse, served by Luca Brassica.

I believe that Luca's practicing his little serving speech even now.

;-)

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Re: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> Wile E. Coyote left it as bait for the roadrunner.  You were so intent on 
> taking the photo, you didn't notice the anvil swing past behind you on a 
> piece of rope and knock the coyote into the path of the oncoming truck.

I thought I saw the word "Acme" whizzing by just before I heard those
wheels screech...

;-)

Thanks, Larry, and thanks to everyone who looked at and commented on
each of these two gems.

;-)

cheers,
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RE: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

[Bob W]

> Considering that Ansel Adams is a business that is worth more now than it
> ever was while he was alive, I foresee a potential problem for the garage
sale
> buyer, now that he has publicized his story (after 10 years of working to
get it
> authenticated). Ansel's estate could argue that since the negatives were
> never sold they were illegally removed by someone and the current owner is
> thus in possession of stolen property. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know
how
> valid that argument would be - but the estate could have deeper pockets
> than the artist and at least perhaps throw a wrench in the works of any
> potential sale.

if they've been sitting around in storage for that long, unclaimed by the
original owner's heirs then they belong to the owner of the storage
facility.

B


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RE: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

[Bob W]

> I have to say this is just ridiculous - $200 million?!!
> Are there 200 million people who would pay $1 apiece to see these?
> Are there 20 million who would pay $10 apiece to see these?
> Are there 2 million who would pay $100 apiece to see these?
> Are there 200,000 who would pay $1,000 apiece to see these?
> ...
> There aren't 500,000 photographers worldwide who would pay $20 apiece to
> see these.
> How many Saint Ansel books are sold worldwide each year?
> Something is out of kilter in this world.
> I like Ansel Adams photos, but he is an old, dead white guy.
> We don't need to worship at his shrine.
> Regards,  Bob S.

it doesn't matter. All it takes is at least 2 people (or institutions)
willing and able to pay $1,999,999.99. There are probably more than 2
worldwide.

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Re: PESO - Akershus/Magic

[Toralf Lund]

Rick Womer wrote:

Mickey Mouse has several toy boats:

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/
  
Indeed. And I'm wondering if this time next year, I will notice that he 
has left an even bigger floating toy in the same location:


http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/dream/

- Toralf

Rick

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From: Toralf Lund 
Subject: PESO - Akershus/Magic
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:10 AM
A snapshot from a local visitors'
parking space:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=magic1

Boat belongs to Mickey Mouse, apparently...

Mainly a test of scanning a certain type of good-old film,
actually. I hope I've managed to keep the "feel" of it.

Thanks for looking,


- Toralf

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Re: FS Monday ;-) my listing on eekbay

[Ann Sanfedele]

John Sessoms wrote:


From: Ann Sanfedele

None of you nibbled on Friday, on list, so I went ahead and put it on 
eekbay...


But if someone here wants it, all the better...  I started it kinda 
low, too.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190423864530&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 





I'd like to have it, but it's just not the right moment in time right 
now.



ah and someone who wanted it just bought it :)

I don't think it was any of you... at least, not a name I know...
It went for $65 BIN  - I'm so happy!

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GESO - Malakoff Rockfestival - Navigators

[Tim Øsleby]

http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/07/malakoff-rockfestival-navigators.html
Not much to say really. Except that I've had a great weekend of music
and photography fun.

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Re: weatherproof vs sandproof?

[Rob Studdert]

On 28/07/2010, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Thanks, Bob.
> Yes, being so "involved" with sand is something to be avoided, for
> sure.  Fortunately, it was just the camera, I left my flash at home,
> and the hotshoe looks clean. So did the pop-up flash.  Went over the
> whole thing with a soft brush, just to be sure.

I've had sand gum up so called water proof P&S cameras too, it's gets
stuck in behind buttons and can make a heck of a mess.

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Re: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[Larry Colen]

On Jul 27, 2010, at 4:02 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Larry's advice, I cropped it square and now it's in colour.  I do
> like it a lot better this way:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli-in-colour.html

That's pretty much what I had in mind, and I do like it better.

> 
> By way of comparison, here's the BW original:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli.html
> 
> Of course, what it comes down to is it's still a fruit and a vegetable
> on top of a wall for no good reason that I know of...

Wile E. Coyote left it as bait for the roadrunner.  You were so intent on 
taking the photo, you didn't notice the anvil swing past behind you on a piece 
of rope and knock the coyote into the path of the oncoming truck.

> 
> ;-)
> 
> Still, if you wish to comment, you may.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: OT - Anyone got opinions on the Olympus Pen E-PL1?

[Rob Studdert]

On 28/07/2010, Miserere  wrote:

> In view of this, I think this camera would be ideal for someone who
> does not plan on tinkering with images in post processing (as I
> imagine you wife wont do). If you ever borrow it from her (which I'm
> sure you'd never do in a million years) you could always shoot RAW if
> you really wanted to.

Great review but your paragraph: "Below is a picture taken side by
side with the Canon S90 (read my review here). As you can see, the
body of the E-PL1 isn’t that much larger than the S90." made me wince!
I really couldn't imagine keeping that E-PL1 in my back pocket daily
as I do the S90, they really are worlds apart size wise. That's why
regardless of its flaws the S90 is such an amazing camera, personally
if I'm going to lug about something that needs to be carried outside a
pocket I might as well just take my K-x.

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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

[Toralf Lund]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Toralf Lund  wrote:
  

...VueScan raw file is different from a DSLR raw file. ...

  

You can also write in DNG format these days, though, and feed the file into
"standard" raw converters. I would assume there isn't much you can't do with
these files compared to the ones from a DSLR, apart from playing with the
Bayer pattern interpolation parameters, obviously...



I don't think any scanners create bayer mosaic output data. Vuescan's
DNG files are DNG encapsulated TIFF, so they are RGB files inside a
  
DNG container that can be edited with raw processing tools,
Well, DNG *is* TIFF, isn't it, in many ways. So I don't know about 
"encapsulated".


But this was what I was trying to say, really - the Vuescan DNG does not 
have mosaic data, so any demosaic/interpolation settings will obviously 
have no effect, but they are hardly relevant anyway since you have true 
RGB data already. Besides that, I should think that anything you can do 
with a camera DNG file, you can also do with one from Vuescan.

 which
arguably can do a better job for some things.
  

Exactly.

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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

[Rob Studdert]

On 28/07/2010, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> The .DNG files it outputs are an encapsulation of TIFF RGB files and
> are very editable in Camera Raw; they're not actually raw files at
> all, simply a TIFF using the ability of DNG to encapsulate them and
> provide more functionality.

They are RAW files in that they are a dump of the information read via
the scanner sensor, it just happens that the images contain
RGB(IR)/pixel not a Bayer mosaic, and from recollection the Bayer file
encapsulated in camera generated RAW files is generally also TIFF.

Back to the original question, I haven't used the configuration
mentioned but I did experiement with shooting film using my own high
performance macro lenses on the K20D and other bodies and none
produced results anywhere near as consistant and high quality as my
Minolta Elite 5400 II.

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Re: Tonight's fail

[Rick Womer]

Does it turn on and recognize the SD card?  From what I've heard the most 
serious traumatic injury to K10Ds and K20Ds is the connection breaking between 
the main circuit board (fastened to the frame) and the SD card block (fastened 
to the battery holder).  That injury is often fatal.

Rick

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--- On Tue, 7/27/10, Larry Colen  wrote:

> It seems that my mysteriously cracked
> LCD on top of the K20 wasn't enough. I didn't notice that
> the flap on my camera bag wasn't entirely closed when I
> pulled it out of the car,  and flipping the bag over my
> shoulder tossed the K20 out onto the pavement.  The
> only damage I've noticed so far was to the LCD:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624591632644/
> 
> It's not so much that I don't really have the money for the
> repair (I'm guessing $200), but the fact that it means I'll
> be without the K20 for a month.
> 
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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

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On Jul 27, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


I didn't think it was an argument, Boris. Just information.


Yes. And good information.


- Scanners which have IR-based dust and scratch reduction/removal
features can automate dust removal much more easily than DSLR capture
can, although the spotting tools in LR and the contextual-aware
cloning tools in PS CS5 go a long way to make it easier. It's a bit of
a toss up. Of course, the IR-based features don't work with non-C41
B&W films or Kodachrome 25 so well, if at all.

- I have not found capturing high quality images files from film with
a DSLR to be a significantly less time consuming process than
capturing with a high quality scanner. There's less time in the
capture process itself, of course, but more time spent preparing the
setup and focusing, and more time spent editing. The scanning capture
is tedious, for sure, and it seems that the DSLR gets through that
somewhat faster, but overall the total time required to get critical
quality work is pretty darn similar.

Paul :: it isn't clear whether you're referring to VueScan raw files
or VueScan's outputted DNG files. They're different. VueScan raw files
have extension .TIFF, where VueScan can create "raw" DNG files that
have extension .DNG.

I output from VueScan as DNG. I realize they're not really RAW in that  
VueScan adjustments modify them. The technical part of it all is  
beyond the limits of my knowledge.



The .DNG files it outputs are an encapsulation of TIFF RGB files and
are very editable in Camera Raw; they're not actually raw files at
all, simply a TIFF using the ability of DNG to encapsulate them and
provide more functionality. The raw .TIFF files are only editable in
Camera Raw if you have one of the latest versions of the Camera Raw
plugin and have the option to enable editing of TIFF files in Camera
Raw's preferences turned on.


I'm able to edit my DNG tagged Vuescan files in Camera Raw. In fact,  
they automatically open in Camera Raw when I save them, so I must have  
editing of TIFF turned on. I have the latest plug in for PSCS 4  
installed.



Of course, being TIFFs, they are editable
in Lightroom or Photoshop without Camera Raw anyway.

I've done a lot of scanning since 1995 ... several thousand exposures
... with all kinds of workflows. I just recently finished doing proof
scans of my entire Minox film library, collating and annotating them
... over 1900 exposures. It's a chore. Nowadays, particularly for more
normal work in 35mm that needs scanning, I'm much happier if I have
more than a dozen frames to just send them to scancafe.com : they do
as good or better job as anyone and it saves me a lot of time and
effort. I concentrate my scanning efforts on unusual formats and
restoration work where I need total control of the process.


I have tens of thousands of negs I should scan, but the task is  
overwhelming, so I doubt that I ever will. But once in a while I roam  
through the negative files and pick out something interesting to scan.  
It's fun seeing 35 year old photos that I never printed. . And I still  
shoot with the Leica occasionally for grins. Should probably exercise  
the 6x7 one of these days as well.

Paul



On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Boris Liberman   
wrote:

On 7/27/2010 4:51 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


However, with today's 10-14 Mpixel DSLRs and a suitable setup, you  
can
achieve approximately the same image resolution as a 4000 ppi  
scanner

with better dmax from 35mm film.


To add to Godfrey's good argument here, I am thinking that there  
are more

advantages to DSLR method:

1. Easier to deal with dust (I think).
2. The process of scanning itself is very quick. So that it seems  
(again, I
am not sure, but still) that if one is moving from flatbed scanner  
scanning

to DLSR scanning, they might as well speed up the process...

Boris


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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

[Igor Roshchin]

Boris,
If I will buy, I'll definitely share my experience.

It is not the highest priority on my "to do" list, I just have learned
about that possibility which made me thinking... :-)
.. and I thought I might hear helpful information from others,
while sharing this finding with PDMLers.

And yes, as Ann has discovered, there are other mounts available.

Igor


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> Igor, if you decide to buy one and use it, I'd sure like you to write a 
> word or two on the list as to how it went...
> 
> Boris
> 
> On 7/26/2010 11:52 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if anybody has used this combination:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-Copier-Pentax-Digital-Camera/dp/B0017WCKTE
> > and
> > http://www.amazon.com/Slide-Negative-Carrier-Opteka-Copiers/dp/B0011N43H6/
> > ?


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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Toralf Lund  wrote:
>> ...VueScan raw file is different from a DSLR raw file. ...
>>
> You can also write in DNG format these days, though, and feed the file into
> "standard" raw converters. I would assume there isn't much you can't do with
> these files compared to the ones from a DSLR, apart from playing with the
> Bayer pattern interpolation parameters, obviously...

I don't think any scanners create bayer mosaic output data. Vuescan's
DNG files are DNG encapsulated TIFF, so they are RGB files inside a
DNG container that can be edited with raw processing tools, which
arguably can do a better job for some things.

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Re: OT - Anyone got opinions on the Olympus Pen E-PL1?

[Miserere]

On 21 July 2010 00:21, John Francis  wrote:
>
> I'm trying to persuade my wife to move up to something better
> than her old Casio Exilim.  I'm tempted by the Micro 4/3 systems,
> and the Olympus E-PL1 seems to have the ease of use and simplicity
> that my wife is looking for (without being so large that she would
> refuse to carry it around) at a pretty decent price.  Even with an
> extra lens (the 40-150) it's still cheaper than the Panasonic, and
> has in-body image stabilisation.  The optional electronic view-
> finder might be interesting, too, although it's more likely to be
> something that I would use than something my wife would consider.

John,

If you're interested in what I have to say about the E-PL1, then
please take a look at parts 1 and 2 of my reviews:

http://enticingthelight.com/2010/03/30/review-olympus-pen-e-pl1-part-1-first-impressions/
http://enticingthelight.com/2010/04/07/review-olympus-pen-e-pl1-part-2-using-the-camera/

I've dragged my heels publishing part 3 (Image IQ) because, to make it
short, the E-PL1 produces the best JPEGs I've ever seen. By far. And
there's not much else to say. I swear Olympus engineers made a pact
with the devil in order to program that JPEG engine.

In view of this, I think this camera would be ideal for someone who
does not plan on tinkering with images in post processing (as I
imagine you wife wont do). If you ever borrow it from her (which I'm
sure you'd never do in a million years) you could always shoot RAW if
you really wanted to.

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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

[Toralf Lund]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:34 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
  

I get a RAW file using vuescan on my Epson 3200. Or, I assume, with any other 
scanner.
Paul



A VueScan raw file is different from a DSLR raw file. It's essentially
a linear gamma RGB TIFF file without VueScan's image processing
applied, and is designed specifically to allow multiple different
adjustment settings to be tried with VueScan without having to run the
media back through the scanner.
  
You can also write in DNG format these days, though, and feed the file 
into "standard" raw converters. I would assume there isn't much you 
can't do with these files compared to the ones from a DSLR, apart from 
playing with the Bayer pattern interpolation parameters, obviously...


- Toralf

DSLR raw files have quite a bit more flexibility in terms of what you
can do with them. The negative side of DSLR capture is that you're
dependent upon the quality of the optics, how well you focus them, and
of course limited by whatever resolution the DSLR is capable of.

However, with today's 10-14 Mpixel DSLRs and a suitable setup, you can
achieve approximately the same image resolution as a 4000 ppi scanner
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PESO: Cityscape in mixed media

[Daniel J. Matyola]

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Comments, suggestions, criticisms and abuse all welcomed.

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Re: Warm up for Malakoff Rockfestival

[Tim Øsleby]

Thank you for your kind comments folks.
Sorry about the missing GESO/PESO in the subject.

The obsolete camera part made written with tongue in cheek. It's a
K20D, so it aint quite obsolete yet I think.

But next festival I'll probably shoot with a K7 as my main camera
(witch probably will be semi obsolete then).

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2010/7/25 Boris Liberman :
> Tim, these are wonderful. Almost made feel I was there...
>
> I have only one nit to pick :-). You neglected to put a word "GESO" or
> "PESO" in the subject ;-).
>
> Boris

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Re: weatherproof vs sandproof?

[Christine Nielsen]

Thanks, Bob.
Yes, being so "involved" with sand is something to be avoided, for
sure.  Fortunately, it was just the camera, I left my flash at home,
and the hotshoe looks clean. So did the pop-up flash.  Went over the
whole thing with a soft brush, just to be sure.

-c

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Christine,
> I've never gotten so involved with sand, only a little at a time.
> I'd use a wet cloth and brush to remove all the loose sand I could.
> I'd exercise all the switches on the body to make sure all the sand is out.
> I don't think water or sand can make it past the doors on the body
> like for the sd card.
> The flash is going to be difficult to clean-up.
> As for the Sigma lens, I have no experience.
> It's pretty hard to keep sand out of lenses.
> You'll have to patiently work your way thru it.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>> While I was in the water with my kids yesterday at the beach,  a pack
>> of seagulls descended on our pile of gear in search of food.  To bring
>> my camera to the beach, I had taken the foam camera bag insert from my
>> handbag, in which it usually resides, and placed it inside a plastic
>> grocery bag, tied shut, to keep the sand and water out.  I placed that
>> whole mess inside our beach bag, safely nestled among the towels, etc.
>>  There was no food in that bag.  But that didn't stop those winged
>> varmints from looking!  I think they have learned that plastic grocery
>> bags usually contain food (last week, I saw a gull fly off with a bag
>> of snacks from a family's stash), so when they found the one with my
>> camera, they pulled it out, dragged it across the sand, and opened it,
>> unceremoniously dumping out the contents.  Imagine my horror upon
>> finding the business end of my lens half-submerged in sand, surrounded
>> by hundreds of webbed foot prints!
>>
>> I did my best to carefully brush off the sand.  It was everywhere.
>> The on/off switch was "sticky" at first, but that seems to have worked
>> itself out.  Does the AF sound noisier than before?  Am I imagining
>> that the shutter sounds clankier?  Argh!!
>>
>> So here's my question:  now what do I do?  Is it possible that tiny
>> grains of sand could get in there & gunk up the works?  My camera -
>> the k7 - is "weatherproof".  The lens - a sigma 17-70 -- makes no such
>> claim.  I've removed the sd card, carefully inspecting and removing
>> with a brush any grains of sand around the door.  I figure I should do
>> the same with the lens... but are there other steps I should be
>> taking?
>>
>> OTOH, everything seems to be working, I had a UV filter on my lens...
>> and luckily - I'm guessing those gulls shoot Nikon.
>>
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Re: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[gldnbearz]

Agree with RIck, Dave B, & Daniel on the color version.

Reminds me a bit of my produce drawer in the refrigerator.  Never
would imagine it on an exterior wall.

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Re: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

[CheekyGeek]

You're not exactly a Vulcan now, are you Bob?
:)

Darren Addy
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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> I have to say this is just ridiculous - $200 million?!!
> Are there 200 million people who would pay $1 apiece to see these?
> Are there 20 million who would pay $10 apiece to see these?
> Are there 2 million who would pay $100 apiece to see these?
> Are there 200,000 who would pay $1,000 apiece to see these?
> ...
> There aren't 500,000 photographers worldwide who would pay $20 apiece
> to see these.
> How many Saint Ansel books are sold worldwide each year?
> Something is out of kilter in this world.
> I like Ansel Adams photos, but he is an old, dead white guy.
> We don't need to worship at his shrine.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:36 AM, John Francis  wrote:
>>
>> Judging purely by the tone of the original article, it will turn
>> into just about anything that could make money.  That's not
>> necessarily ghood news for those of us hoping to see an exhibit
>> aimed at showing off the photographs in preference to one that
>> attempts to monetize the cachet of the "Ansel Adams" name.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
>>> that's fascinating. Hope it turns into a book and exhibition.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> > http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/07/27/ansel.adams.discovery/index.ht
>>> > ml?hpt=C1
>>>
>>>
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Re: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I like this version much better, Frank.

Dan

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:02 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Larry's advice, I cropped it square and now it's in colour.  I do
> like it a lot better this way:
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli-in-colour.html
>
> By way of comparison, here's the BW original:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli.html
>
> Of course, what it comes down to is it's still a fruit and a vegetable
> on top of a wall for no good reason that I know of...
>
> ;-)
>
> Still, if you wish to comment, you may.
>
> cheers,
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Re: PESO - Abstract in Black and Gold

[Daniel J. Matyola]

What a great abstract image!   I love both the patterns and the colors.

Dan

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> G'day all
>
> A shot from my recent trip to Noosa on Queensland's Sunshine Coast.  I
> came across this creek with black deposits in the rippled sand beneath
> the tannin coloured water.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP6898peso.html
>
>
> K200D with 16-45 mm DA zoom.
>
>
> Comments, brickbats, welcome.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

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...
There aren't 500,000 photographers worldwide who would pay $20 apiece
to see these.
How many Saint Ansel books are sold worldwide each year?
Something is out of kilter in this world.
I like Ansel Adams photos, but he is an old, dead white guy.
We don't need to worship at his shrine.



Jesus is just an old dead Jewish guy.
But people get sucked into worshiping at his shrine.

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Re: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

[Daniel J. Matyola]

We don't need to, but perhaps we should.

Dan

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>
> I like Ansel Adams photos, but he is an old, dead white guy.
> We don't need to worship at his shrine.
> Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Slide copier for Pentax

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I didn't think it was an argument, Boris. Just information.

- Scanners which have IR-based dust and scratch reduction/removal
features can automate dust removal much more easily than DSLR capture
can, although the spotting tools in LR and the contextual-aware
cloning tools in PS CS5 go a long way to make it easier. It's a bit of
a toss up. Of course, the IR-based features don't work with non-C41
B&W films or Kodachrome 25 so well, if at all.

- I have not found capturing high quality images files from film with
a DSLR to be a significantly less time consuming process than
capturing with a high quality scanner. There's less time in the
capture process itself, of course, but more time spent preparing the
setup and focusing, and more time spent editing. The scanning capture
is tedious, for sure, and it seems that the DSLR gets through that
somewhat faster, but overall the total time required to get critical
quality work is pretty darn similar.

Paul :: it isn't clear whether you're referring to VueScan raw files
or VueScan's outputted DNG files. They're different. VueScan raw files
have extension .TIFF, where VueScan can create "raw" DNG files that
have extension .DNG.

The .DNG files it outputs are an encapsulation of TIFF RGB files and
are very editable in Camera Raw; they're not actually raw files at
all, simply a TIFF using the ability of DNG to encapsulate them and
provide more functionality. The raw .TIFF files are only editable in
Camera Raw if you have one of the latest versions of the Camera Raw
plugin and have the option to enable editing of TIFF files in Camera
Raw's preferences turned on. Of course, being TIFFs, they are editable
in Lightroom or Photoshop without Camera Raw anyway.

I've done a lot of scanning since 1995 ... several thousand exposures
... with all kinds of workflows. I just recently finished doing proof
scans of my entire Minox film library, collating and annotating them
... over 1900 exposures. It's a chore. Nowadays, particularly for more
normal work in 35mm that needs scanning, I'm much happier if I have
more than a dozen frames to just send them to scancafe.com : they do
as good or better job as anyone and it saves me a lot of time and
effort. I concentrate my scanning efforts on unusual formats and
restoration work where I need total control of the process.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 7/27/2010 4:51 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> However, with today's 10-14 Mpixel DSLRs and a suitable setup, you can
>> achieve approximately the same image resolution as a 4000 ppi scanner
>> with better dmax from 35mm film.
>
> To add to Godfrey's good argument here, I am thinking that there are more
> advantages to DSLR method:
>
> 1. Easier to deal with dust (I think).
> 2. The process of scanning itself is very quick. So that it seems (again, I
> am not sure, but still) that if one is moving from flatbed scanner scanning
> to DLSR scanning, they might as well speed up the process...
>
> Boris
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Re: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

[Bob Sullivan]

I have to say this is just ridiculous - $200 million?!!
Are there 200 million people who would pay $1 apiece to see these?
Are there 20 million who would pay $10 apiece to see these?
Are there 2 million who would pay $100 apiece to see these?
Are there 200,000 who would pay $1,000 apiece to see these?
...
There aren't 500,000 photographers worldwide who would pay $20 apiece
to see these.
How many Saint Ansel books are sold worldwide each year?
Something is out of kilter in this world.
I like Ansel Adams photos, but he is an old, dead white guy.
We don't need to worship at his shrine.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:36 AM, John Francis  wrote:
>
> Judging purely by the tone of the original article, it will turn
> into just about anything that could make money.  That's not
> necessarily ghood news for those of us hoping to see an exhibit
> aimed at showing off the photographs in preference to one that
> attempts to monetize the cachet of the "Ansel Adams" name.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
>> that's fascinating. Hope it turns into a book and exhibition.
>>
>> B
>>
>> > http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/07/27/ansel.adams.discovery/index.ht
>> > ml?hpt=C1
>>
>>
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Re: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

[CheekyGeek]

Considering that Ansel Adams is a business that is worth more now than
it ever was while he was alive, I foresee a potential problem for the
garage sale buyer, now that he has publicized his story (after 10
years of working to get it authenticated). Ansel's estate could argue
that since the negatives were never sold they were illegally removed
by someone and the current owner is thus in possession of stolen
property. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know how valid that argument
would be - but the estate could have deeper pockets than the artist
and at least perhaps throw a wrench in the works of any potential
sale.

Darren Addy
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Re: Geso 30 for 30

[David J Brooks]

Come on Larry, I show 600 at a time, get with it.;-)

I like this one.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4833671644/in/set-72157624467220449/

Good to see some of my Woodstock neighbours still with us.

Dave

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> A couple of my friends are celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary today.  
> They asked me to do a photo shoot for the occasion, which happened yesterday. 
>  Normally, I'd try to cull them down a little tighter than this, but 30 for 
> 30 seemed appropriate.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
> or if it's easier to view them
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
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Re: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[David J Brooks]

Yes, better i think. Like the square crop.

Dave

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:02 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Larry's advice, I cropped it square and now it's in colour.  I do
> like it a lot better this way:
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli-in-colour.html
>
> By way of comparison, here's the BW original:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli.html
>
> Of course, what it comes down to is it's still a fruit and a vegetable
> on top of a wall for no good reason that I know of...
>
> ;-)
>
> Still, if you wish to comment, you may.
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Re: PESO - Abstract in Black and Gold

[David J Brooks]

Nice patterns and colours here. Almost like a painting

Dave

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G'day all
>
> A shot from my recent trip to Noosa on Queensland's Sunshine Coast.  I
> came across this creek with black deposits in the rippled sand beneath
> the tannin coloured water.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP6898peso.html
>
>
> K200D with 16-45 mm DA zoom.
>
>
> Comments, brickbats, welcome.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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Re: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

[John Francis]

Judging purely by the tone of the original article, it will turn
into just about anything that could make money.  That's not
necessarily ghood news for those of us hoping to see an exhibit
aimed at showing off the photographs in preference to one that
attempts to monetize the cachet of the "Ansel Adams" name.



On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
> that's fascinating. Hope it turns into a book and exhibition.
> 
> B
> 
> > http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/07/27/ansel.adams.discovery/index.ht
> > ml?hpt=C1
> 
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Re: Geso 30 for 30

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On Jul 27, 2010, at 1:50 AM, Bob W wrote:

>>> A couple of my friends are celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary
>>> today.  They asked me to do a photo shoot for the occasion, which
>>> happened yesterday.  Normally, I'd try to cull them down a little
>>> tighter than this, but 30 for 30 seemed appropriate.
>>> 
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
>>> or if it's easier to view them
>>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
>> 
>> Good work Larry but for anyone not knowing the people involved, one pic is
>> all you need. This one tells the story to me instantly:
>> 
>> 61348 but I could do with more headroom on the lady, otherwise, that's the
>> shot.
>> 
>> 

Thanks.

>> 
> 
> Iawc. Also, since it's about them as a couple you don't need any of the
> shots that show them individually.

It never occurred to me that Iawc is something that would get said enough to 
need it's own acronym.

While they were at it, they also wanted shots of each other.

Jack,
I really lucked out on the lighting.  I put up clear plastic over the dance 
floor in my back yard to protect it from the rain, and it makes a fantastic 
diffuser:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624371211856/

I just had to move them around occasionally so inconvenient beams of light 
wouldn't blow out the image. I was going to take the plastic down after the 
rainy season, but it's too useful for photography.



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Re: weatherproof vs sandproof?

[Bob Sullivan]

Christine,
I've never gotten so involved with sand, only a little at a time.
I'd use a wet cloth and brush to remove all the loose sand I could.
I'd exercise all the switches on the body to make sure all the sand is out.
I don't think water or sand can make it past the doors on the body
like for the sd card.
The flash is going to be difficult to clean-up.
As for the Sigma lens, I have no experience.
It's pretty hard to keep sand out of lenses.
You'll have to patiently work your way thru it.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> While I was in the water with my kids yesterday at the beach,  a pack
> of seagulls descended on our pile of gear in search of food.  To bring
> my camera to the beach, I had taken the foam camera bag insert from my
> handbag, in which it usually resides, and placed it inside a plastic
> grocery bag, tied shut, to keep the sand and water out.  I placed that
> whole mess inside our beach bag, safely nestled among the towels, etc.
>  There was no food in that bag.  But that didn't stop those winged
> varmints from looking!  I think they have learned that plastic grocery
> bags usually contain food (last week, I saw a gull fly off with a bag
> of snacks from a family's stash), so when they found the one with my
> camera, they pulled it out, dragged it across the sand, and opened it,
> unceremoniously dumping out the contents.  Imagine my horror upon
> finding the business end of my lens half-submerged in sand, surrounded
> by hundreds of webbed foot prints!
>
> I did my best to carefully brush off the sand.  It was everywhere.
> The on/off switch was "sticky" at first, but that seems to have worked
> itself out.  Does the AF sound noisier than before?  Am I imagining
> that the shutter sounds clankier?  Argh!!
>
> So here's my question:  now what do I do?  Is it possible that tiny
> grains of sand could get in there & gunk up the works?  My camera -
> the k7 - is "weatherproof".  The lens - a sigma 17-70 -- makes no such
> claim.  I've removed the sd card, carefully inspecting and removing
> with a brush any grains of sand around the door.  I figure I should do
> the same with the lens... but are there other steps I should be
> taking?
>
> OTOH, everything seems to be working, I had a UV filter on my lens...
> and luckily - I'm guessing those gulls shoot Nikon.
>
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Re: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[Rick Womer]

Much better!

Rick

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> From: frank theriault 
> Subject: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 7:02 AM
> On Larry's advice, I cropped it
> square and now it's in colour.  I do
> like it a lot better this way:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli-in-colour.html
> 
> By way of comparison, here's the BW original:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli.html
> 
> Of course, what it comes down to is it's still a fruit and
> a vegetable
> on top of a wall for no good reason that I know of...
> 
> ;-)
> 
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RE: PESO - Abstract in Black and Gold

[Bob W]

> G'day all
> 
> A shot from my recent trip to Noosa on Queensland's Sunshine Coast.  I
came
> across this creek with black deposits in the rippled sand beneath the
tannin
> coloured water.
> 
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP6898peso.html

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RE: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[Bob W]

> On Larry's advice, I cropped it square and now it's in colour.  I do like
it a lot
> better this way:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-
> broccoli-in-colour.html
> 
> By way of comparison, here's the BW original:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-
> broccoli.html
> 
> Of course, what it comes down to is it's still a fruit and a vegetable on
top of a
> wall for no good reason that I know of...
> 

it's secret Mafia code. Don Cavolfiore is going to make you a salad you
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weatherproof vs sandproof?

[Christine Nielsen]

While I was in the water with my kids yesterday at the beach,  a pack
of seagulls descended on our pile of gear in search of food.  To bring
my camera to the beach, I had taken the foam camera bag insert from my
handbag, in which it usually resides, and placed it inside a plastic
grocery bag, tied shut, to keep the sand and water out.  I placed that
whole mess inside our beach bag, safely nestled among the towels, etc.
 There was no food in that bag.  But that didn't stop those winged
varmints from looking!  I think they have learned that plastic grocery
bags usually contain food (last week, I saw a gull fly off with a bag
of snacks from a family's stash), so when they found the one with my
camera, they pulled it out, dragged it across the sand, and opened it,
unceremoniously dumping out the contents.  Imagine my horror upon
finding the business end of my lens half-submerged in sand, surrounded
by hundreds of webbed foot prints!

I did my best to carefully brush off the sand.  It was everywhere.
The on/off switch was "sticky" at first, but that seems to have worked
itself out.  Does the AF sound noisier than before?  Am I imagining
that the shutter sounds clankier?  Argh!!

So here's my question:  now what do I do?  Is it possible that tiny
grains of sand could get in there & gunk up the works?  My camera -
the k7 - is "weatherproof".  The lens - a sigma 17-70 -- makes no such
claim.  I've removed the sd card, carefully inspecting and removing
with a brush any grains of sand around the door.  I figure I should do
the same with the lens... but are there other steps I should be
taking?

OTOH, everything seems to be working, I had a UV filter on my lens...
and luckily - I'm guessing those gulls shoot Nikon.

:)
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RE: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

[Bob W]

that's fascinating. Hope it turns into a book and exhibition.

B


> http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/07/27/ansel.adams.discovery/index.ht
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RE: FS Monday ;-) my listing on eekbay

[John Sessoms]

From: Ann Sanfedele
None of you nibbled on Friday, on list, so I went ahead and put it on 
eekbay...


But if someone here wants it, all the better...  I started it kinda low, 
too.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190423864530&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT



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Re: peso - young lady

[Sasha Sobol]

Thanks to everyone.
I do like the the b&w photo you mentioned (younger is a boy btw)  -
thought it is completely different.

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>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4825623180/lightbox/
>>
>> Comment and critique are welcome even more than always.
>>
>
>
> That's a very attractive image of a very attractive young lady.
>
> I like the off centre framing and I think the soft focus works well
> here.
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Re: peso - young lady

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:59 -0700, "Sasha Sobol"  wrote:
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> 
> Comment and critique are welcome even more than always.
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That's a very attractive image of a very attractive young lady.

I like the off centre framing and I think the soft focus works well
here.


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Re: GESO: Fireworks

[Brian Walters]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:38 -0500, "Charles Robinson" 
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> I had a few minutes downtown on Saturday night to watch a little bit of a
> fireworks display.
> 
> I always take a camera to fireworks and I always hate the results.
> 
> This time I figured out how to retain the color in the bursts (low ISO,
> small aperture) so I got a few more interesting shots than I usually have
> in the past.  Not earth-shatteringly wonderful, but there are some
> pleasing colors in a few of them.
> 
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/aquatennial_fireworks/index.html
> 
> (Camera was attached to an "Ultrapod-II" and strapped to a railing.  Darn
> handy tool, that Ultrapod.)
> 


Excellent Gallery.  The last 4 are particularly colourful and
spectacular.  I also like the diffuse smoke trail drifting off to the
right.


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Re: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:02 -0400, "frank theriault"
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> On Larry's advice, I cropped it square and now it's in colour.  I do
> like it a lot better this way:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli-in-colour.html
> 
> By way of comparison, here's the BW original:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli.html
> 
> Of course, what it comes down to is it's still a fruit and a vegetable
> on top of a wall for no good reason that I know of...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Still, if you wish to comment, you may.



Why does a piece of broccoli and a lemon need a reason??

I like this version as well, but the black and white one with the same
crop would look pretty good as well.


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Re: VESO Wentworth Falls

[Brian Walters]

On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:22 +1000, "Rob Studdert"
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> Hi Team,
> 
> This is a very slap-dash video compile of clips taken with my S90
> during a recent walk through one of the Wentworth Falls walking paths.
> It should give you a little insight to the grandeur of the place but
> I'm no Cotty ;-)
> 
> http://vimeo.com/13596347
> 
> pass: pdml
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentworth_Falls_%28waterfall%29
> 



Nicely done, Rob.

I hope you had time for lunch or coffee at the Conservation Hut.



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Re: OT: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

[Charles Robinson]

On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:17, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/07/27/ansel.adams.discovery/index.html?hpt=C1
> 

Wow.  Just wow.

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Re: OT: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:17 -0400, "Daniel J. Matyola"
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> http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/07/27/ansel.adams.discovery/index.html?hpt=C1
> 


$200 mill for a $45 investment.

Certainly beats the share-market



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PESO - Abstract in Black and Gold

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

A shot from my recent trip to Noosa on Queensland's Sunshine Coast.  I
came across this creek with black deposits in the rippled sand beneath
the tannin coloured water.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP6898peso.html


K200D with 16-45 mm DA zoom.


Comments, brickbats, welcome.



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OT: Adams Photos Found in Garage Sale

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/07/27/ansel.adams.discovery/index.html?hpt=C1

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Re: PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[Steven Desjardins]

That lemon is staring at me.  Make it stop.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:02 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Larry's advice, I cropped it square and now it's in colour.  I do
> like it a lot better this way:
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli-in-colour.html
>
> By way of comparison, here's the BW original:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli.html
>
> Of course, what it comes down to is it's still a fruit and a vegetable
> on top of a wall for no good reason that I know of...
>
> ;-)
>
> Still, if you wish to comment, you may.
>
> cheers,
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Re: PESO - Tom on Eleventh Street

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On 26/7/10, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:


(cats aren't smart enough to think about much
of anything)


You have obviously never been employed by cats!



Often enough to know that they are like most managers.

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Re: PESO - Tom on Eleventh Street

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>(cats aren't smart enough to think about much of anything)

You have obviously never been employed by cats!



I've been well used by a few dogs.


If she hears you my mammal kick your butt


That would be a bitch.


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Re: Geso 30 for 30

[Jack Davis]

Very well done, Larry! Lighting especially nice.

Jack

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> Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:41 PM
> A couple of my friends are
> celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary today.  They
> asked me to do a photo shoot for the occasion, which
> happened yesterday.  Normally, I'd try to cull them
> down a little tighter than this, but 30 for 30 seemed
> appropriate.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
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> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
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PESO - A Lemon and a Piece of Broccoli - in colour

[frank theriault]

On Larry's advice, I cropped it square and now it's in colour.  I do
like it a lot better this way:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli-in-colour.html

By way of comparison, here's the BW original:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/lemon-and-piece-of-broccoli.html

Of course, what it comes down to is it's still a fruit and a vegetable
on top of a wall for no good reason that I know of...

;-)

Still, if you wish to comment, you may.

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Re: PESO - Tom on Eleventh Street

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>> >(cats aren't smart enough to think about much of anything)
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>> You have obviously never been employed by cats!
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RE: PESO - Tom on Eleventh Street

[Bob W]

 
> >(cats aren't smart enough to think about much of anything)
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> You have obviously never been employed by cats!
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RE: Geso 30 for 30

[Bob W]

> >A couple of my friends are celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary
> >today.  They asked me to do a photo shoot for the occasion, which
> >happened yesterday.  Normally, I'd try to cull them down a little
> >tighter than this, but 30 for 30 seemed appropriate.
> >
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
> >or if it's easier to view them
> >http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
> 
> Good work Larry but for anyone not knowing the people involved, one pic is
> all you need. This one tells the story to me instantly:
> 
> 61348 but I could do with more headroom on the lady, otherwise, that's the
> shot.
> 
> 
> 

Iawc. Also, since it's about them as a couple you don't need any of the
shots that show them individually.




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Re: PESO - Vinter

[Toralf Lund]

John Coyle wrote:

But, but - it is our winter here!
  
He, he, I wondered if anyone would say that. I bet you get this a lot, 
people talking about summer when you have winter, and vice versa, I 
mean. Let's say my photo was an attempt to create a bit of balance ;-)

Looks cold though, and I haven't seen snow ever where I live now.
  
I don't think it was *that* cold, as the picture was taken quite late in 
the winter. But I rather like living in a place where we really have 
different seasons. If those clouds we have right now go away any time 
soon, I expect the same place will be crowded with people going for a 
swim to cool down a bit, or trying to get a bit of a suntan...


- Toralf


John in Brisbane



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How about a winter picture in the middle of summer?

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=kadettangen

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Re: PESO - Tom on Eleventh Street

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On 26/7/10, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>(cats aren't smart enough to think about much
>of anything)

You have obviously never been employed by cats!

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Re: Geso 30 for 30

[Cotty]

On 26/7/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A couple of my friends are celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary
>today.  They asked me to do a photo shoot for the occasion, which
>happened yesterday.  Normally, I'd try to cull them down a little
>tighter than this, but 30 for 30 seemed appropriate.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/
>or if it's easier to view them
>http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624467220449/

Good work Larry but for anyone not knowing the people involved, one pic
is all you need. This one tells the story to me instantly:

61348 but I could do with more headroom on the lady, otherwise, that's
the shot.




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