Re: Further earthquake information

[David Mann]

On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:35 PM, David Mann wrote:

> At the beginning of the ceremony they played a 15-minute film of scenes from 
> the CBD but I've only found a short clip so far.  The opening scene is the 
> street I was walking on at the time, but I was a few blocks further south 
> from what they show (they are travelling north, towards the river).
> 
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/videos/4784380

I've been told that the Christchurch City Council has its own Youtube channel 
and they have all the footage on there, split into in three parts.  They're 
about 5 minutes each.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=i3-Kdt5XpHo

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=bPGsX3rd7vQ

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=kJNbibsQxjE

Dave



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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[steve harley]

On 2011-03-18 19:44 , eckinator wrote:

thanks, guys
my problem is I have no idea what the iPad is practical for; thus far
I've ignored iProducts altogether - what are the most common storage
intensive things that you use it for?


i have a 16GB iPhone 4, which is comparable to an iPad in some important 
respects; i don't do much video, but at the moment i have about 1000 
photos, 200+ apps (most of them relatively useless) and about 9 hours of 
music on my iPhone; you can see what that amounts to in storage here:




apps are generally small, a couple contain reference databases and are 
larger than 100MB; the iPhone is a great notebook, and i do things like 
transfer PDFs to it that i need to be able to look at in a meeting; 
iPads can do the same and are big enough to better as a reading device 
and more comfortable for video, detailed presentations and fairly 
serious writing (with an external keyboard); you can plug them into an 
HDMI monitor as well (i think you'll get 720p)



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Re: PESO - Mt. Vernon

[Bulent Celasun]

I loved that shadow of the tree on the building; seems to add an extra
dimension...

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The Unfortunate [K-5 + DA15, FA31]

[Andrew Allen]

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Here is a recent series I shot (street/texture) with the K-5 and two
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Re: The Unfortunate [K-5 + DA15, FA31]

[Bulent Celasun]

"Mystavandalism" and "Days of Dry Cold" are my favorites. The
rendering of light in the second one is particularly impressive.

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Re: PESO - Coalmine#2b

[AlunFoto]

Glad that others see what I see. :-)
I work from a laptop with a dubious screen right now, so I do all the
editing by histogram, primarily. According to the histogram, there's
no clipping of the shadows in either channel. I also double-checked
that it looked okay on my smartphone screen, just in case. Can't be
more uncalibrated than that, I figured...
The image is taken well after sunset, with a deep indigo colour to the
sky. The camera naturally wanted to expose the scene closer to
midtones, so I had to darken it in post to get the night-time mood.

I tried to do some Radermacherish night shots too, but it really
wasn't dark enough. The pictured scene required f/32 at ISO 200 for an
exposure of 4 minutes. The resulting exposure suffered from heat
shimmer (yes, you do get that at low temps also) and diffraction, so I
wasn't happy with it. I learned two things, though. One is that the
noise levels look very good, and the other is that long exposures are
very demanding on the battery in cold conditions.

In general, I find that the 645D is more of a challenge to carry
across temperature gradients than are K-mount DSLRs. I may be just the
sheer bulk of the thing calling for longer heat-up time, but the
camera itself feels colder when outdoors too. I think the metal % is
higher in this baby than in K-mount. And same goes for the lenses,
except the FA 35mm f/3.5. I guess the new DFA 55 would do better too.
The old 645-A series is virtually all metal, and so are many of the
645-FA.


Jostein


2011/3/19 Doug Franklin :
> On 2011-03-18 22:08, Matthew Hunt wrote:
>
>> My uncalibrated Dell 2209WA IPS monitor also does fine by it. The
>> thing that threw me a little is that the purple, snowy slopes are so
>> smooth, they present a textureless appearance similar to clipped
>> shadows. But they're not clipped, as evidenced by the pure black
>> shadows mixed in with the snow. It's just the way they are. I'm always
>> a fan of jarring semi-abstracts that take some work to figure out. I
>> approve.
>
> Don't get me wrong.  Shot in darkness or not, I think it could use a bit of
> a luminance boost.  But it's not my photo. :-)  There's a chance that a lot
> of detail hides in that darkness.  But I think it works as it stands, too.
>  It's one of those deals where I would have done it a little differently,
> but I think it's an artistic choice, so going overboard on describing my
> viewpoint probably wouldn't help the photographer.  We just have different
> visions of the thing.  :-)
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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[eckinator]

2011/3/19 Paul Stenquist :
>
> From what I've read, seriously disturbed sounds much more likely.

If you look at how he's treated in prison there will be no telling how
sane he may have been once they're done with him. He's on POI watch
and in isolated confinement. He walks figure 8s for a while once a day
and the rest of the day (and night if his face is not visible) he is
asked if he is OK every 5 minutes. that is sleep and interaction
deprivation torture. sorry but that makes wikileaks even more
necessary. his lawyer, david r coombs has all the details if you care

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Re: PESO: The things we put up with

[Madame RD]

Le 19/03/11 03:06, Doug Franklin a écrit :

On 2011-03-18 21:32, Jeffery Johnson wrote:
Nice capture and well I thought they were going to be dressed up way 
worse

than they were...


Me, too.  I'm guessing they don't know too many hillbillies.  My 
relatives would've embarrassed that dog a lot more. :-)



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Re: Getting prints mounted and/or framed

[Igor Roshchin]

Larry,

As others have suggested, - you want to use a standard size mat and frame.
One of a good (chain) stores for finding reasonable frames
(and mats) is Aaron Brothers (if you have that in the vicinity).

Also, - one of the ways of mounting a photo (I've done that with
photos printed on canvas and watercolor paper), - is a self-adhesive
foam board that you can find at a good art-supplies store.
It is usually sold in pieces that are something like 24x36,
but still inexpensive. Sometimes you can find it in smaller sizes.

Igor


On 3/18/2011 11:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> The college age daughter of a friend of mine wants to give him one of
> my prints as a gift for his 60th birthday.
>
> We probably want to do something a bit nicer than just giving it to
> him in a costco envelope.  I don't know how big we'd go, 8x12, 12x18
> or maybe bigger.  Are there cost effective ways of mounting or framing
> it that look nice, but don't cost on the order of hundreds of dollars?
>
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Re: Another bird - sunbathing

[Cotty]

On 18/3/11, J.C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.jchriso.com/bird%2001s.jpg
>
>comments welcome.

Very impressive - I could do with a little more looking room on the right.

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RE: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Igor Roshchin
> 
> You should watch this old clip about iPad:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs
> 
> I also hope you saw these old clips about i-products:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZKjJt-TkU
> 

I think that's Godfrey sitting next to Cotty in the audience.


> Cheers,
> 
> Igor
> 
> PS. And it blends well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko



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Re: Further earthquake information

[Cotty]

On 18/3/11, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Right I'd better get to bed...

Thanks for posting Dave.

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Re: OT Thirty Five years ago.

[Cotty]

On 18/3/11, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What were you doing 35 years ago about this time.??


I was 16 and living in the south bay area, California. I was a sophomore
at Lynbrook High School and deeply in love with a Junior who knew not
one jot of my existence. A bunch of us hung out in the back of a pick-up
truck and wherever it went, we went. There was about 8 or 9 of us.

In the summer they all came to see me off at the airport when my family
repatriated.

I'm still in touch with some of them.

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Re: Getting prints mounted and/or framed

[Paul Stenquist]

To add to what Ann said, most good art stores and some photo stores now have 
precut matts in sizes that are more accommodating for modern film and sensor 
sizes. For example, 12 x 18 and 8 x 12 precut matts are widely available in a 
range of styles and colors. I've also seen 17 x 12, 11 x 15, 12 x 12 and 8 x 8.
Paul


On Mar 19, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> sure -
> A good art supply store should have frames with precut matts for not too 
> much...  just make your print a standard size...
> You can easily matt the photo yourself  11 x 14  frame with essentially and 8 
> x 10 mat opening  can probably be accomplished for
> about $15
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>> The college age daughter of a friend of mine wants to give him one of my 
>> prints as a gift for his 60th birthday.  
>> We probably want to do something a bit nicer than just giving it to him in a 
>> costco envelope.  I don't know how big we'd go, 8x12, 12x18 or maybe bigger. 
>>  Are there cost effective ways of mounting or framing it that look nice, but 
>> don't cost on the order of hundreds of dollars? 
>> 
>> --
>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[Paul Stenquist]

On Mar 19, 2011, at 5:48 AM, eckinator wrote:

> 2011/3/19 Paul Stenquist :
>> 
>> From what I've read, seriously disturbed sounds much more likely.
> 
> If you look at how he's treated in prison there will be no telling how
> sane he may have been once they're done with him. He's on POI watch
> and in isolated confinement. He walks figure 8s for a while once a day
> and the rest of the day (and night if his face is not visible) he is
> asked if he is OK every 5 minutes. that is sleep and interaction
> deprivation torture. sorry but that makes wikileaks even more
> necessary. his lawyer, david r coombs has all the details if you care
> 

And of course the information his lawyer provides is completely accurate:-))) !
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Re: X100 video review

[Cotty]

Excellent video - impressively shot on a DSLR as well - note radio lapel
mic on presenter for good sound. Really nice portrayal of camera use on
the street - even if you're not interested in the hardware, if you're
into street photography you should watch this video.


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Re: X100 video review

[Derby Chang]

On 18/03/2011 9:18 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

Amusing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-VoXxwGWYc&feature=youtube_gdata

-T




Argh...I now really need to have one.

That's quite a lovely love letter to Hong Kong as well.



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Re: PESO - Coalmine#2b

[David J Brooks]

Erie

Dave

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 5:01 PM, AlunFoto  wrote:
> It's been some interesting days at Svalbard, in the Chinese sense of the word.
> One can chose to go grumpy or see it as part of the Arctic experience...
> Anyways, tonight we saw a sudden break in the weather, and I scuttled
> out (as far as that is possible with skis...) and did my best in a
> radius of about 1 km from the guesthouse I stay at. Here's one of my
> catches:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/gruve-2b.html
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Re: The Unfortunate [K-5 + DA15, FA31]

[David J Brooks]

Nice galley, well done.

Dave

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Re: I See The Train Acommin Down The Track

[David J Brooks]

I love trains, and i own CN stock, so I love it.

Dave

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> I finally got an angle I liked on the local CN locomotive. Comments from
> train picture haters or lovers always welcome.
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> http://donspix.posterous.com/
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PESO - Cash Advances

[frank theriault]

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/03/cash-advances.html

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Re: PESO - Cash Advances

[David J Brooks]

:-)

Dave

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:04 AM, frank theriault
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> Comments always welcome.
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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[Walter Gilbert]

On 3/19/2011 1:43 AM, steve harley wrote:

On 2011-03-18 20:28 , Paul Stenquist wrote:
He's Obama's prisoner. Are you trying to say that our liberal 
democrat president is torturing a U.S. citizen?


Obama sucks

there, i said it


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Re: X100 video review

[Cotty]

On 19/3/11, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed:

>That's quite a lovely love letter to Hong Kong as well.

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Re: The way-back machine: 25 years ago

[John Sessoms]

From: Paul Stenquist


While I sometimes caused flames to come out of editors. The objective
here was to have flames coming out of the headers.


Still, what you wrote has a certain poetic quality that what you meant 
lacks.


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Re: The Unfortunate [K-5 + DA15, FA31]

[Jack Davis]

Especially like "Hopeville". All well done, Andy!

Jack

--- On Sat, 3/19/11, Andrew Allen  wrote:

> From: Andrew Allen 
> Subject: The Unfortunate [K-5 + DA15, FA31]
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 12:59 AM
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> of my favorite lenses.  Comments/questions/critique
> welcome and
> appreciated.   http://andrewallenphoto.com/p296735198/e3d295987#h3d295987
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Re: OT Mac users only

[John Sessoms]

From: Eric Weir


On Mar 17, 2011, at 1:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote:


Less than you would have gotten from BellSouth ... which was ZIP

Who do you recommend in the South? I migrated to Bellsouth from
Mindspring/Earthlink after their shipped their vaunted customer
service offshore.


I can't recommend anyone. There is no ISP that I'm aware of who offers 
good customer service and/or technical support. I also have used 
Mindspring and Earthlink.


I would rate my experiences (in order from BAD to WORSE):

TWC RoadRunner (Cable)
Earthlink (dialup)
BellSouth (ADSL)
.
.
.
.
Mindspring (dialup)

I can't actually say Mindspring had the "worst" customer service and/or 
technical support only because when I was with them they provided NO 
SUPPORT WHATSOEVER.


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Re: PESO - Cash Advances

[Jack Davis]

Would be even sadder if not for that super warm looking coat and generous scarf.
One of your better catches, Frank!

Jack

--- On Sat, 3/19/11, frank theriault  wrote:

> From: frank theriault 
> Subject: PESO - Cash Advances
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 5:04 AM
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/03/cash-advances.html
> 
> Comments always welcome.
> 
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> frank
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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at,, PayPal

[John Sessoms]

From: Scott Loveless


On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:21 AM, William Robb  
wrote:

> American = Wikileaks bad.
> Rest of world = Wikileaks good.
> And frankly, I don't think Wikileaks has hurt any innocent people.

Don't lump us all in together.  What with security theater at
airports, warrantless wire taps and the government's constant droning
of "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear", it's
freakin' obvious that a big chunk of the US gov't doesn't trust a big
chunk of the US.  The only people harmed by wikileaks are the
two-faced bastards in DC.  If they hadn't done anything wrong, they
wouldn't have anything to hide...


Hasn't really done that much harm to "the two-faced bastards in DC", 
other than creating a small amount of embarrassment over certain earthy 
and entirely accurate assessments of foreign government personalities 
made by our own ambassadors.


The innocents put in harms way are those local people in other countries 
who cooperated with the US to improve their own situations in their own 
countries - the village headmen in Afghanistan who mediated between 
their own people and NATO troops; the mid-level Taliban members who were 
open to finding a negotiated end to the current war, etc.


Like I said, just because Assange and Wikileaks are trying to stick it 
to the U.S. Government doesn't make them good guys.


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Re: Getting prints mounted and/or framed

[Jack Davis]

Mounting the print can be as simple as suspending it from a line of "acid free" 
double sided tape across the top or an array of roller glue applicator stripes. 
Print size could possibly bear on the chosen method.
Over the years I've had prints mounted; heat, sticky board, vacuum and spray 
glued. For some time, however, it's all been as initially noted  above.

Jack

--- On Sat, 3/19/11, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> From: Paul Stenquist 
> Subject: Re: Getting prints mounted and/or framed
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 4:04 AM
> To add to what Ann said, most good
> art stores and some photo stores now have precut matts in
> sizes that are more accommodating for modern film and sensor
> sizes. For example, 12 x 18 and 8 x 12 precut matts are
> widely available in a range of styles and colors. I've also
> seen 17 x 12, 11 x 15, 12 x 12 and 8 x 8.
> Paul
> 
> 
> On Mar 19, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> 
> > sure -
> > A good art supply store should have frames with precut
> matts for not too much...  just make your print a
> standard size...
> > You can easily matt the photo yourself  11 x
> 14  frame with essentially and 8 x 10 mat opening 
> can probably be accomplished for
> > about $15
> > 
> > ann
> > 
> > 
> > Larry Colen wrote:
> > 
> >> The college age daughter of a friend of mine wants
> to give him one of my prints as a gift for his 60th
> birthday.  
> >> We probably want to do something a bit nicer than
> just giving it to him in a costco envelope.  I don't
> know how big we'd go, 8x12, 12x18 or maybe bigger.  Are
> there cost effective ways of mounting or framing it that
> look nice, but don't cost on the order of hundreds of
> dollars? 
> >> 
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Re: OT Thirty Five years ago.

[Larry Colen]

On Mar 18, 2011, at 6:26 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

> What were you doing 35 years ago about this time.??

Thinking about this question made me feel old. Some of the answers made me feel 
young, some made me feel even older.

A few years previously we had moved from 2-3 miles from where it turns out a 
kid named Steve Cottrell was raising ruckus, to the place I'm currently buying 
from my mom, near Santa Cruz.  

A couple of people mentioned VW bugs, It was about this time of year that I got 
my learner's permit, and Dad and I would occasionally head to the parking lot 
at the school where I'd try to learn to drive a clutch, in a VW Thing. 

I was a sophomore in high school, and was active in the Brotherhood of Natural 
Philosophers, Chemistry and Physics Affiliated, and would hang out at the house 
of the club advisor, on P.Q. Boomer, who for a couple decades had let the kids 
come up to his place, have water fights, build a castle, towers and a pipe 
organ that I was eventually involved in converting from electro-mechanical 
operation to pure tracker action.
http://home.comcast.net/~pqboom/tour/tour.html

Photographically, I was spending a fair chunk of time in Dad's and my darkroom. 
 My photographic kit consisted of a Minolta SRT-101 with a 58/1.4 lens, a 2x 
teleconverter and a polarizer.  I'd occasionally borrow my dads Spotty II. I 
didn't like his camera as much as mine, since mine could meter without stopping 
down the lens. I did, however, like his Vivitar Series I, 70-210.

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Re: Further earthquake information

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
It's sad to see your beautiful city with such destruction.
I'm surprised your fatalities were as low as they were.
I sure wouldn't want to be finishing lunch at a sidewalk cafe that noon!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 2:10 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:35 PM, David Mann wrote:
>
>> At the beginning of the ceremony they played a 15-minute film of scenes from 
>> the CBD but I've only found a short clip so far.  The opening scene is the 
>> street I was walking on at the time, but I was a few blocks further south 
>> from what they show (they are travelling north, towards the river).
>>
>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/videos/4784380
>
> I've been told that the Christchurch City Council has its own Youtube channel 
> and they have all the footage on there, split into in three parts.  They're 
> about 5 minutes each.
>
> Part 1:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=i3-Kdt5XpHo
>
> Part 2:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=bPGsX3rd7vQ
>
> Part 3:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=kJNbibsQxjE
>
> Dave
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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 6:44 PM, eckinator  wrote:
> my problem is I have no idea what the iPad is practical for; thus far
> I've ignored iProducts altogether - what are the most common storage
> intensive things that you use it for?

For me, it works for:

- the usual stuff (mobile access to web, email, address book)
- audio playback of podcasts and music
- ebooks (epubs and kindle)
- viewing photos and videos
- drawing, sketching, etc
- showing and viewing photographs

It's also a testing platform for a couple of products I'd like to develop.

It can do a lot more, all a matter of what you want to do and what
software is out there. There's tons.
-- 
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Re: PESO - Coalmine#2b

[Paul Stenquist]

Great shot. A fascinating landscape.
Paul
On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

> Wow.  That's beautiful, but I prefer the early spring here in Philly.
> 
> Rick
> 
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 3/18/11, AlunFoto  wrote:
> 
>> It's been some interesting days at
>> Svalbard, in the Chinese sense of the word.
>> One can chose to go grumpy or see it as part of the Arctic
>> experience...
>> Anyways, tonight we saw a sudden break in the weather, and
>> I scuttled
>> out (as far as that is possible with skis...) and did my
>> best in a
>> radius of about 1 km from the guesthouse I stay at. Here's
>> one of my
>> catches:
>> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/gruve-2b.html
>> 
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>> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com
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Re: X100 video review

[Steven Desjardins]

It's a great vid.  I think a lot of the fun with this camera seems to
be the way it fits in your hand.  As you watch he vid, notice how the
camera flips around in his hand, not like he has a death grip on a
huge DSLR.  I don't think Id ever get the camera because 35 equivalent
is not my favorite FOV, but it bodes well for future systems.



On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> On 19/3/11, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>That's quite a lovely love letter to Hong Kong as well.
>
> Isn't it just!
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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at,, PayPal

[Bob Sullivan]

>Like I said, just because Assange and Wikileaks are trying to stick it to the 
>U.S. Government doesn't make them good guys.

John,
You're right.  I think he's a form of pond scum.  And not too tough of
a target to hit either!
The US Government gets slightly embarrased.  The people mentioned face
grave danger.
...pond scum...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:22 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Scott Loveless
>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:21 AM, William Robb
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> > American = Wikileaks bad.
>>> > Rest of world = Wikileaks good.
>>> > And frankly, I don't think Wikileaks has hurt any innocent people.
>>
>> Don't lump us all in together.  What with security theater at
>> airports, warrantless wire taps and the government's constant droning
>> of "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear", it's
>> freakin' obvious that a big chunk of the US gov't doesn't trust a big
>> chunk of the US.  The only people harmed by wikileaks are the
>> two-faced bastards in DC.  If they hadn't done anything wrong, they
>> wouldn't have anything to hide...
>
> Hasn't really done that much harm to "the two-faced bastards in DC", other
> than creating a small amount of embarrassment over certain earthy and
> entirely accurate assessments of foreign government personalities made by
> our own ambassadors.
>
> The innocents put in harms way are those local people in other countries who
> cooperated with the US to improve their own situations in their own
> countries - the village headmen in Afghanistan who mediated between their
> own people and NATO troops; the mid-level Taliban members who were open to
> finding a negotiated end to the current war, etc.
>
> Like I said, just because Assange and Wikileaks are trying to stick it to
> the U.S. Government doesn't make them good guys.
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Re: The Unfortunate [K-5 + DA15, FA31]

[Steven Desjardins]

I really like "Mystavandalism" and "Dread Dreamer".  Nice gallery
overall.  You have a good eye, or at least your style appeals to me.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Especially like "Hopeville". All well done, Andy!
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Andrew Allen  wrote:
>
>> From: Andrew Allen 
>> Subject: The Unfortunate [K-5 + DA15, FA31]
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 12:59 AM
>> Hello Pentax Folk!
>>
>> Here is a recent series I shot (street/texture) with the
>> K-5 and two
>> of my favorite lenses.  Comments/questions/critique
>> welcome and
>> appreciated.   http://andrewallenphoto.com/p296735198/e3d295987#h3d295987
>>
>> -Andy
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RE: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)

[Jeffery Johnson]

Walt,
Well for the most part it has come along pretty good. Just across the way
though the houses that were along Richland Creek are waiting to be bought
and I am guessing torn down. It really was surreal watching the news and
seeing the stretch of I-24 around Bell Rd. exit completely under water. I
drive back and forth that direction when I head to work in Antioch. I drove
to work that Monday morning and it was surreal again seeing all that debris
and what not that the flood waters carried along. A car sat upside down on
the banks of the creek for a long time until water subsided long enough I
suppose for them to get a tow truck to be able to move the car.

Jeffery

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)

Thanks, Jeffery.

And, yes -- Nashville is pretty close-by.  Only about an hour and half
drive, give or take.  I haven't been there in a couple of years, but I'll be
flying out of there next week.  Last time I went, I was sitting in an
executive skybox watching the Titans with a good friend.  I'm curious to see
how far the city has come along since the flood.

-- Walt



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Re: OT Thirty Five years ago.

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:26 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> What were you doing 35 years ago about this time.??


Hmmm...

At this time in 1976 I would have been working in accounts receivable
for (the now long since closed down) Kaufman Footwear in Kitchener,
Ontario.  It was my year off between high school and university;  by
the next year I had embarked on a rather longish post-secondary career
(long, not due to lots of degrees, but due to lots of - e -
"diversions").

Among other things, Kaufman made Sorel winter boots - at that time
they were very unfashionable snowmobile and work boots for subzero
temps.

I bet Dave wore them whilst surveying up north!

When Kaufman went under, someone bought the rights to that line.
Right now they're the hottest winter boot fashion around, to be seen
adorning the feet of all sorts of young hotties and hipsters.

Of course they're made in China now, and they don't say "Sorels by
Kaufman" like they used to, they're just "Sorels".  Actually, now that
I think of it, I worked in the Kaufman factory as a summer job when I
was at university and was on the Sorel assembly line.  Worst job I
ever did, grinding down the soles so they'd be flush with the upper.
Got rubber bits all over me and in my clothing.  Yuck!

But that was later.  35 years ago it was in the office, for my year
after high school.

Pretty much didn't take any pix to speak of, except a few forays to
Mosport Raceway for CanAms and F1 races with my trusty Praktica SLR.

cheers,
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Re: Getting prints mounted and/or framed

[Ann Sanfedele]

Larry - check this link out
http://www.dickblick.com/?wmcp=google&wmckw=%22art%20supplies%22&wmcid=adwords&gclid=CLus0vLv2qcCFYbb4AodgjwG9g

ann

Igor Roshchin wrote:


Larry,

As others have suggested, - you want to use a standard size mat and frame.
One of a good (chain) stores for finding reasonable frames
(and mats) is Aaron Brothers (if you have that in the vicinity).

Also, - one of the ways of mounting a photo (I've done that with
photos printed on canvas and watercolor paper), - is a self-adhesive
foam board that you can find at a good art-supplies store.
It is usually sold in pieces that are something like 24x36,
but still inexpensive. Sometimes you can find it in smaller sizes.

Igor


On 3/18/2011 11:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 


The college age daughter of a friend of mine wants to give him one of
my prints as a gift for his 60th birthday.

We probably want to do something a bit nicer than just giving it to
him in a costco envelope.  I don't know how big we'd go, 8x12, 12x18
or maybe bigger.  Are there cost effective ways of mounting or framing
it that look nice, but don't cost on the order of hundreds of dollars?


   





 





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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at,, PayPal

[Walter Gilbert]

On 3/19/2011 8:22 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Scott Loveless

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:21 AM, William Robb 
 wrote:

> American = Wikileaks bad.
> Rest of world = Wikileaks good.
> And frankly, I don't think Wikileaks has hurt any innocent people.

Don't lump us all in together.  What with security theater at
airports, warrantless wire taps and the government's constant droning
of "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear", it's
freakin' obvious that a big chunk of the US gov't doesn't trust a big
chunk of the US.  The only people harmed by wikileaks are the
two-faced bastards in DC.  If they hadn't done anything wrong, they
wouldn't have anything to hide...


Hasn't really done that much harm to "the two-faced bastards in DC", 
other than creating a small amount of embarrassment over certain 
earthy and entirely accurate assessments of foreign government 
personalities made by our own ambassadors.


The innocents put in harms way are those local people in other 
countries who cooperated with the US to improve their own situations 
in their own countries - the village headmen in Afghanistan who 
mediated between their own people and NATO troops; the mid-level 
Taliban members who were open to finding a negotiated end to the 
current war, etc.


Like I said, just because Assange and Wikileaks are trying to stick it 
to the U.S. Government doesn't make them good guys.


The whole Wikileaks phenomenon is just about as irony-soaked as it 
gets.  At this point, there's absolutely nothing about the entire 
project that anyone can point to as a redeeming value.  Its titular 
leader is almost universally scorned by people on either side of the 
issue, and the cause it purportedly seeks to advance has been set back 
irreparably for generations.  Does anyone honestly believe that what has 
occurred will cause any of its targeted entities -- governmental, 
quasi-governmental, or non-governmental -- to operate in a more open 
fashion as a result of any of these leaks?


I'd submit that it's had the exact opposite effect, causing every entity 
that's been targeted to review its security procedures and make 
draconian adjustments, along with causing every potentially impacted 
entity get out in front of the possibility of similar leaks.  And, so 
far, the only marginal benefit that's occurred as a consequence of any 
of the leaks has amounted to little more than a confirmation of 
long-held suspicions among people on both sides.  The only real "shock" 
experienced by anyone over the information that's been uncovered is over 
the fact that none of it had come to light long ago.


And then there was the supreme irony of Assange petitioning the courts 
to keep secret the address listed in his bond information -- something 
that has always been a matter of public record.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338832/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-asked-judge-bail-address-secret.html

The world has been taken for a ride by the Don King of international 
intrigue.


-- Walt


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OT free software offer

[eckinator]

hi gang
thanks to mail being archived and thus essentially public I can't go
into detail here but it is useful for programmers, consultants and
basically everyone dealing with structures of cause and effect. please
contact me offlist if interested.
cheers
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Re: OT: PhotoShop and memory recognition on a Mac

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-03-19 12:41 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:


And this might be a great time to do it as Adobe is having a fire sale right 
now.

Do you have a pointer to somewhere I can see/buy, assuming the sale applies to 
my region?  I've been putting off an upgrade for far too long and I don't see 
anything special on the Adobe website.

Cheers,
Dave


Looks like that sale is over, sorry. Somebody on another list pointed it 
out last weekend and I had a quick look out of curiosity, but I didn't 
note the expiry date.


Not to worry, Adobe has promos and sales quite often. The mother of all 
sales is on Black Friday in October, so if you're not in a hurry ... :)  
BTW, be sure and sign up to their email list for the promo notices.


-bmw

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Re: PESO - Coalmine#2b

[Matthew Hunt]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:47 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> Erie

And Superior as well.

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Re: The Unfortunate [K-5 + DA15, FA31]

[Tim Øsleby]

If I where you I think I've let the opening shot go.
But overall a _very_ nice series. Hard to pick favourites, and that's
a good sign :-)

Interesting and well done concept.

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>
> Here is a recent series I shot (street/texture) with the K-5 and two
> of my favorite lenses.  Comments/questions/critique welcome and
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Re: PESO - Coalmine#2b

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-03-19 11:33 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:47 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:


Erie

And Superior as well.


Huron the money there. I too quite lake it.

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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[William Robb]

On 19/03/2011 5:06 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:







And of course the information his lawyer provides is completely accurate:-))) !


Paul, your military and CIA are pretty well known to use torture of 
prisoners.
IIRC, it was George Bush who had waterboarding redefined into the 
equivalent of asking questions over a glass of soda.
Next you'll be telling us that Guantanamo Bay is a health spa and there 
has never been extraordinary rendition

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/fact-sheet-extraordinary-rendition

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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[William Robb]

On 19/03/2011 6:26 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:







Obama sucks



Actually, the American government sucks, it doesn't matter which puppet 
is at the helm.


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Re: PESO - Coalmine#2b

[Ann Sanfedele]

Bruce Walker wrote:


On 11-03-19 11:33 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:47 AM, David J Brooks  
wrote:



Erie


And Superior as well.



Huron the money there. I too quite lake it.

-bmw 


Yeah, it was great

ann








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Re: OT Thirty Five years ago.

[Walter Hamler]

I remember my wife and our two dogs watching those firewarks on the
Mall from our den in Pt. Mugu and 6:00 PM local time while it was
still bright daylight outside!

Walt

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> Thanks for reminding me J.C.O..
>
> Patricia, my soon to be wife and I had gone and watched the Washington D.C. 
> Bicentennial Fireworks from the top of the hill in Arlington National 
> Cemetery. A fantastic evening, culminating in a party during which the 
> Colonel in charge of "The Colony" asked my bride to be to serve as his 
> assistant. Which ultimately allowed her to leave home and move to 
> Frederickburg, then marry me later that same year!
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:43 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> All I remember about '76 was going to see a great July 4 fireworks
>> display at Ft Lauderdale beach for the bicentennial celebration.
>> They had barges achored out on the water launching them off.
>
> Joseph McAllister
> Lots of gear, not much time
>
> http://gallery.me.com/jomac
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Re: OT Thirty Five years ago.

[Tim Bray]

Oh, and I forgot the photographic bit... I was majoring in s&d&r&r and
left-wing politics, the latter mostly in the capacity of working on
the student paper (the University of Guelph "Ontarion") for which we
shot a few rolls of Tri-X every week and processed it in a
sweltering-hot darkroom.  It was primitive but the enlarger was not
terrible.  This happened mostly late at night and often under the
influence.  Ah, youth. -T

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> Thanks for reminding me J.C.O..
>
> Patricia, my soon to be wife and I had gone and watched the Washington D.C. 
> Bicentennial Fireworks from the top of the hill in Arlington National 
> Cemetery. A fantastic evening, culminating in a party during which the 
> Colonel in charge of "The Colony" asked my bride to be to serve as his 
> assistant. Which ultimately allowed her to leave home and move to 
> Frederickburg, then marry me later that same year!
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:43 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> All I remember about '76 was going to see a great July 4 fireworks
>> display at Ft Lauderdale beach for the bicentennial celebration.
>> They had barges achored out on the water launching them off.
>
> Joseph McAllister
> Lots of gear, not much time
>
> http://gallery.me.com/jomac
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Re: The Unfortunate [K-5 + DA15, FA31]

[Tim Bray]

Nice, intense pictures.  Thanks. -T

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Andrew Allen  wrote:
> Hello Pentax Folk!
>
> Here is a recent series I shot (street/texture) with the K-5 and two
> of my favorite lenses.  Comments/questions/critique welcome and
> appreciated.   http://andrewallenphoto.com/p296735198/e3d295987#h3d295987
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Re: PESO - Mt. Vernon

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Bulent.  That is what attracted me, too.

Rick

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> I loved that shadow of the tree on
> the building; seems to add an extra
> dimension...
> 
> Bulent
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Re: Getting prints mounted and/or framed

[Paul Sorenson]

Check out Michael's...

http://www.michaels.com/Art-Supplies/departments-artsupplies,default,sc.html

Ready made frames and pre-cut mattes and double mattes.  The regularly 
have their ready made frames on sale.  You can get a decent ready made 
and double matte for about 12 bucks.


-p

On 3/18/2011 10:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

The college age daughter of a friend of mine wants to give him one of my prints 
as a gift for his 60th birthday.

We probably want to do something a bit nicer than just giving it to him in a 
costco envelope.  I don't know how big we'd go, 8x12, 12x18 or maybe bigger.  
Are there cost effective ways of mounting or framing it that look nice, but 
don't cost on the order of hundreds of dollars?


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Re: OT Thirty Five years ago.

[Steve Sharpe]

In February 1976 I was hit by a car while riding my 10-speed bike 
home from my part time job at the Miracle Food Mart. I was in my 
first year the the University of Western Ontario, and because of the 
accident was forced to withdraw for that term. I had a badly broken 
leg and was in a cast and crutches for the next nine months. 
But...every cloud has a silver lining...as I discovered that a cast 
and crutches were girl magnets! Woo-hoo! My male friends with fully 
functional legs could not believe the way the babes flocked to me! 
Alas, eventually I had to return to two-legged transport and things 
returned to normal. Oh well.


Photography was done with my father's Instamatic camera. However, I 
did sue the guy who ran me over and with the settlement bought my 
first SLR: a Miranda dx-3.



At 10:28 AM -0700 3/19/11, Tim Bray wrote:

Oh, and I forgot the photographic bit... I was majoring in s&d&r&r and
left-wing politics, the latter mostly in the capacity of working on
the student paper (the University of Guelph "Ontarion") for which we
shot a few rolls of Tri-X every week and processed it in a
sweltering-hot darkroom.  It was primitive but the enlarger was not
terrible.  This happened mostly late at night and often under the
influence.  Ah, youth. -T

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:

 Thanks for reminding me J.C.O..

 > Patricia, my soon to be wife and I had gone and watched the 
Washington D.C. Bicentennial Fireworks from the top of the hill in 
Arlington National Cemetery. A fantastic evening, culminating in a 
party during which the Colonel in charge of "The Colony" asked my 
bride to be to serve as his assistant. Which ultimately allowed her 
to leave home and move to Frederickburg, then marry me later that 
same year!




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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[P. J. Alling]

On 3/19/2011 5:48 AM, eckinator wrote:

2011/3/19 Paul Stenquist:

 From what I've read, seriously disturbed sounds much more likely.

If you look at how he's treated in prison there will be no telling how
sane he may have been once they're done with him. He's on POI watch
and in isolated confinement. He walks figure 8s for a while once a day
and the rest of the day (and night if his face is not visible) he is
asked if he is OK every 5 minutes. that is sleep and interaction
deprivation torture. sorry but that makes wikileaks even more
necessary. his lawyer, david r coombs has all the details if you care

I deal with lawyers every day, so it's not as if I'd believe the one of 
them at this point.  Manning's lawyer not a neutral observer, he's an 
advocate, and there's no penalty if he lies, unless he's actually in 
court. There's even less penalty if the Government lies. as well. 
However  I find the story of torture to be unbelievable for a number of 
reasons not the least of which is that there's no percentage in it   
There''s no new information the military can squeeze out of him, and if 
he ever actually goes to trial, any actual torture will come out.


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PESO - For St. Patrick's Day

[Rick Womer]

Two days late for St. Patrick's Day; and actually I shot this in Chicago last 
May.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12835735

(K10D, DA 16-45)

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Re: PESO - For St. Patrick's Day

[Jack Davis]

Nice shot of some well turned ankles, Rick!

Jack

--- On Sat, 3/19/11, Rick Womer  wrote:

> From: Rick Womer 
> Subject: PESO - For St. Patrick's Day
> To: "Pentax List" 
> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 11:02 AM
> Two days late for St. Patrick's Day;
> and actually I shot this in Chicago last May.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12835735
> 
> (K10D, DA 16-45)
> 
> Rick
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> 
> 
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Re: Enablements (or: holy crap this thing's awesome)

[John Celio]

It took forever for my K-5 battery to charge last night, but as soon as that 
light turned off I upgraded the firmware and started playing around with the 
settings. The first photos (and video) I took were all of my cat, so I will 
spare you from having to see that.


Holy crap, this thing is lightyears ahead of my K10D. I was thinking of 
keeping the K10D as a backup, but I think it may just end up in permanent 
storage (no one will want this lemon of a camera, so I'm not going to try to 
sell it). The build and layout feels nothing like the Pentaxes I'm used to. 
I was out of the loop for so long!


My only negative comment so far is that the focus-assist lamp is almost 
useless when using a large lens like the DA* 16-50. You have to be back 
pretty far for the light to illuminate near the center of the frame. I have 
no idea where they could have put it that would have been better, however.


Anyway, I'm going to spend a good chunk of today looking for things to 
photograph and playing with this amazing piece of technology. It feels great 
to finally be excited about photography again!


John

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-Original Message- 
From: John Celio

Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 1:46 PM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: Enablements

My K-5 is here! The UPS guy dropped it off this morning, but since I'm
at work I haven't had a chance to dive in yet. The box has been
whispering at me all day, begging me to open it up and retrieve my
prize, but I must resist its siren call and finish this damn project my
boss gave me this morning. Oh the torture! Quiet your song, digital
temptress!

Did I mention last month that I got a new laptop? Well, more of a
netbook. It was free from Google and came installed with Chrome OS
(beta, of course). I was picked to be part of the Chrome OS Pilot
Program, so I've been helping test the OS and the hardware, and so far I
think it's pretty great for a netbook. Still buggy and there are lots of
features that haven't been implemented yet (like a working file browser
and controls for the built-in webcam), but since it's pretty much the
Chrome browser running a laptop, it does what I expect and performs
pretty well. It should be pretty awesome when it's ready for general
consumption.


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Re: PESO - For St. Patrick's Day

[Ann Sanfedele]

Nice grab there, Rick

ann

Rick Womer wrote:


Two days late for St. Patrick's Day; and actually I shot this in Chicago last 
May.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12835735

(K10D, DA 16-45)

Rick



 

 





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RE: Another bird - sunbathing- uncropped

[J.C. O'Connell]

OK, heres an alternate version with slightly 
less cropping on on the right:

>http://www.jchriso.com/bird1s.jpg

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Subject: Re: Another bird - sunbathing


On 18/3/11, J.C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.jchriso.com/bird%2001s.jpg
>
>comments welcome.

Very impressive - I could do with a little more looking room on the right.

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PESO - On top of the Sarcophagus

[AlunFoto]

http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/topptur-sarkofagen.html

This shouldn't be too dark for anyone's eyes. :-)

Still gives me a memory of vertigo, though.

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Re: PESO - On top of the Sarcophagus

[P. J. Alling]

That's very nice.

On 3/19/2011 2:47 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/topptur-sarkofagen.html

This shouldn't be too dark for anyone's eyes. :-)

Still gives me a memory of vertigo, though.

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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[eckinator]

2011/3/19 P. J. Alling :
>>
> I deal with lawyers every day, so it's not as if I'd believe the one of them
> at this point.  Manning's lawyer not a neutral observer, he's an advocate,
> and there's no penalty if he lies, unless he's actually in court. There's
> even less penalty if the Government lies. as well. However  I find the story
> of torture to be unbelievable for a number of reasons not the least of which
> is that there's no percentage in it   There''s no new information the
> military can squeeze out of him, and if he ever actually goes to trial, any
> actual torture will come out.

that is why "prevention of injury watch" is so smart - the argument is
they had to do it to keep him from committing suicide. they did it for
his own good. asking someone if he is ok every five minutes around the
clock has enormous impact on mental stability in the long run.
combined with the monotony it breaksup your life into a repetitive 5
minute cycle. you lose track of time in a matter of days and temporal
disorientation is known to accelerate all sorts of other ill effects.

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Re: PESO - On top of the Sarcophagus

[Tim Bray]

That's astounding.  Is it a statue over there on the right?  -T

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 11:47 AM, AlunFoto  wrote:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/topptur-sarkofagen.html
>
> This shouldn't be too dark for anyone's eyes. :-)
>
> Still gives me a memory of vertigo, though.
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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[eckinator]

roflmao these are brilliant... seems I will have to get an iRack for my iPad =)

2011/3/19 Igor Roshchin :
>
> Ecke,
>
> You should watch this old clip about iPad:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs
>
> I also hope you saw these old clips about i-products:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZKjJt-TkU
>
> Cheers,
>
> Igor
>
> PS. And it blends well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko
>
>
> Fri Mar 18 20:44:44 CDT 2011
> eckinator wrote:
>
>> thanks, guys
>> my problem is I have no idea what the iPad is practical for; thus far
>> I've ignored iProducts altogether - what are the most common storage
>> intensive things that you use it for?
>> thanks again
>> ecke
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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[eckinator]

thanks godfrey - does it handle ms office and pdf files? and how much
do you spend on apps? and i hear it doesn't support flash - how much
of a problem is that? also what about content restrictions you read
about?
thanks again
ecke

2011/3/19 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 6:44 PM, eckinator  wrote:
>> my problem is I have no idea what the iPad is practical for; thus far
>> I've ignored iProducts altogether - what are the most common storage
>> intensive things that you use it for?
>
> For me, it works for:
>
> - the usual stuff (mobile access to web, email, address book)
> - audio playback of podcasts and music
> - ebooks (epubs and kindle)
> - viewing photos and videos
> - drawing, sketching, etc
> - showing and viewing photographs
>
> It's also a testing platform for a couple of products I'd like to develop.
>
> It can do a lot more, all a matter of what you want to do and what
> software is out there. There's tons.
> --
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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[eckinator]

thanks steve - you wrote "most apps useless"
I'm a bit worried i might wind up with a 700 € movie player plus
browser status symbol
can it for example be used to provide remote support or for
system/network documentation purposes? are there IT tools available to
run on it?
thanks again
ecke

2011/3/19 steve harley :
> On 2011-03-18 19:44 , eckinator wrote:
>>
>> thanks, guys
>> my problem is I have no idea what the iPad is practical for; thus far
>> I've ignored iProducts altogether - what are the most common storage
>> intensive things that you use it for?
>
> i have a 16GB iPhone 4, which is comparable to an iPad in some important
> respects; i don't do much video, but at the moment i have about 1000 photos,
> 200+ apps (most of them relatively useless) and about 9 hours of music on my
> iPhone; you can see what that amounts to in storage here:
>
> 
>
> apps are generally small, a couple contain reference databases and are
> larger than 100MB; the iPhone is a great notebook, and i do things like
> transfer PDFs to it that i need to be able to look at in a meeting; iPads
> can do the same and are big enough to better as a reading device and more
> comfortable for video, detailed presentations and fairly serious writing
> (with an external keyboard); you can plug them into an HDMI monitor as well
> (i think you'll get 720p)
>
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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[P. J. Alling]

On 3/19/2011 3:09 PM, eckinator wrote:

2011/3/19 P. J. Alling:

I deal with lawyers every day, so it's not as if I'd believe the one of them
at this point.  Manning's lawyer not a neutral observer, he's an advocate,
and there's no penalty if he lies, unless he's actually in court. There's
even less penalty if the Government lies. as well. However  I find the story
of torture to be unbelievable for a number of reasons not the least of which
is that there's no percentage in it   There''s no new information the
military can squeeze out of him, and if he ever actually goes to trial, any
actual torture will come out.

that is why "prevention of injury watch" is so smart - the argument is
they had to do it to keep him from committing suicide. they did it for
his own good. asking someone if he is ok every five minutes around the
clock has enormous impact on mental stability in the long run.
combined with the monotony it breaksup your life into a repetitive 5
minute cycle. you lose track of time in a matter of days and temporal
disorientation is known to accelerate all sorts of other ill effects.
Once again, you are postulating torture for torture sake.  There's no 
percentage in it.  The Government gains nothing and can lose 
everything.  Rational beings don't risk that.  Manning is a known 
prisoner.  Even the most repressive government would think twice about 
the public relations disaster actually torturing such a prisoner would 
be.  You are exhibiting a fairly paranoid attitude about this.  No 
officer in the US military that cared about his career would allow this 
to happen, because eventually someone will have to be punished, and they 
know it wouldn't be a politician.


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Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)

[Walter Gilbert]

   Glad to hear y'all are making steady (if slow in some areas) 
progress.  I do love Nashville, having had some of the best times of my 
youth down there.


I guess at this point, you just have to take solace in the fact that you 
witnessed history firsthand, and that it probably won't happen again in 
your lifetime.


-- Walt

On 3/19/2011 9:42 AM, Jeffery Johnson wrote:

Walt,
Well for the most part it has come along pretty good. Just across the way
though the houses that were along Richland Creek are waiting to be bought
and I am guessing torn down. It really was surreal watching the news and
seeing the stretch of I-24 around Bell Rd. exit completely under water. I
drive back and forth that direction when I head to work in Antioch. I drove
to work that Monday morning and it was surreal again seeing all that debris
and what not that the flood waters carried along. A car sat upside down on
the banks of the creek for a long time until water subsided long enough I
suppose for them to get a tow truck to be able to move the car.

Jeffery

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 Thanks, Jeffery.

And, yes -- Nashville is pretty close-by.  Only about an hour and half
drive, give or take.  I haven't been there in a couple of years, but I'll be
flying out of there next week.  Last time I went, I was sitting in an
executive skybox watching the Titans with a good friend.  I'm curious to see
how far the city has come along since the flood.

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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[Toine]

Yes remote support apps for RDP or even better Logmein Ignition. My
primary use is as a pdf reader. iAnnotate is very handy. I rarely use
the browser.

Toine

On 19 March 2011 20:23, eckinator  wrote:
> thanks steve - you wrote "most apps useless"
> I'm a bit worried i might wind up with a 700 € movie player plus
> browser status symbol
> can it for example be used to provide remote support or for
> system/network documentation purposes? are there IT tools available to
> run on it?
> thanks again
> ecke
>
> 2011/3/19 steve harley :
>> On 2011-03-18 19:44 , eckinator wrote:
>>>
>>> thanks, guys
>>> my problem is I have no idea what the iPad is practical for; thus far
>>> I've ignored iProducts altogether - what are the most common storage
>>> intensive things that you use it for?
>>
>> i have a 16GB iPhone 4, which is comparable to an iPad in some important
>> respects; i don't do much video, but at the moment i have about 1000 photos,
>> 200+ apps (most of them relatively useless) and about 9 hours of music on my
>> iPhone; you can see what that amounts to in storage here:
>>
>> 
>>
>> apps are generally small, a couple contain reference databases and are
>> larger than 100MB; the iPhone is a great notebook, and i do things like
>> transfer PDFs to it that i need to be able to look at in a meeting; iPads
>> can do the same and are big enough to better as a reading device and more
>> comfortable for video, detailed presentations and fairly serious writing
>> (with an external keyboard); you can plug them into an HDMI monitor as well
>> (i think you'll get 720p)
>>
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Re: Getting prints mounted and/or framed

[Larry Colen]

It seems that costco also can do prints on posterboard.  Has anyone tried this 
product?  How did it work?


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Re: OT Mac users only

[steve harley]

On 2011-03-19 07:05 , John Sessoms wrote:

From: Eric Weir



Who do you recommend in the South? I migrated to Bellsouth from
Mindspring/Earthlink after their shipped their vaunted customer
service offshore.


I can't recommend anyone. There is no ISP that I'm aware of who offers
good customer service and/or technical support.


i would look for a local ISP that offers ADSL over the telephone 
provider's network (i believe traditional copper-wire pairs are required 
to be available to other providers, but fiber optic is not); i have such 
an arrangement in Denver -- for twelve years i have rented the wires 
from Qwest but ForeThought.net is my ISP, and i get prompt, helpful 
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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[Larry Colen]

On Mar 19, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Bob W wrote:

> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Igor Roshchin
>> 
>> You should watch this old clip about iPad:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs
>> 
>> I also hope you saw these old clips about i-products:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZKjJt-TkU
>> 
> 
> I think that's Godfrey sitting next to Cotty in the audience.

Odd, when it comes to Apple products, Godfrey is usually beside himself.


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Re: PESO - On top of the Sarcophagus

[Chris Mitchell]

Lovely shot Jostein. And very intrepid of you.

I still don't get the 645D though (Chris lights blue touchpaper and retires)...

Chris

AlunFoto  wrote:

>http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/topptur-sarkofagen.html
>
>This shouldn't be too dark for anyone's eyes. :-)
>
>Still gives me a memory of vertigo, though.
>
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Re: Another bird - sunbathing- uncropped

[steve harley]

On 2011-03-19 12:41 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:

OK, heres an alternate version with slightly
less cropping on on the right:


http://www.jchriso.com/bird1s.jpg


i like this version better, maybe even crop a little on the left

great exposure considering the sun is behind the chick

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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[steve harley]

On 2011-03-19 13:23 , eckinator wrote:

thanks steve - you wrote "most apps useless"


well, more than half of the 200+ i never use, thus they are literally 
useless to me; most of these were free, so i just wasted a little time 
trying them out once; but there are also very useful apps, it pretty 
much has what most people want from a computer, as long as your 
expectations of configurability, processing power and efficiency are 
lowered a bit




I'm a bit worried i might wind up with a 700 € movie player plus
browser status symbol
can it for example be used to provide remote support or for
system/network documentation purposes? are there IT tools available to
run on it?


yes, many options; i've even used iPhones to ssh into servers, an 
experience that would be vastly superior on the iPad; logmein and others 
are available; for diagramming i'd look at OmniGraffle (a favorite tool 
of mine on the desktop, but i've never used it on an iPad); i'm not sure 
what kinds of IT tools you might mean (after decades as a programmer, 
i'm still never sure what people mean when by "IT") -- a web search with 
the name or category of a tool and "ipad" will usually answer your 
questions quickly


iOS does very well with PDFs; it can open (and edit) Office formats, and 
there quite a few ways to use it for "productivity"; most apps are under 
$5, and many truly useful ones are free, but some prices are justifiably 
higher (OmniGraffle is $50)


i don't feel much impact from the lack of Flash -- it is mostly 
restaurants and other inconsequential sites that provide no alternative 
to their Flash interfaces; but then, i customarily block Flash on the 
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especially for Cotty - he knows why :-)

[Ann Sanfedele]

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PESO - Swinger

[Paul Stenquist]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12836332

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Re: Another bird - sunbathing- uncropped

[Ann Sanfedele]

They're both nice -- but yeah, this is a tad better ...

A bird we all know and love :-)

ann


J.C. O'Connell wrote:

OK, heres an alternate version with slightly 
less cropping on on the right:


 


http://www.jchriso.com/bird1s.jpg
   



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On 18/3/11, J.C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


http://www.jchriso.com/bird%2001s.jpg

comments welcome.
   



Very impressive - I could do with a little more looking room on the right.

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Re: PESO - On top of the Sarcophagus

[Ann Sanfedele]

Well I sure can see that one! Thanks, my friend :-)

brr.  and lovely -- so tell me, is that tiny person on the end of 
the arrete a person or a piece of sculpture?
I like to think you sent one of your buddies out there to pose - someone 
as crazy as Mark Roberts...


ann

AlunFoto wrote:


http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/topptur-sarkofagen.html

This shouldn't be too dark for anyone's eyes. :-)

Still gives me a memory of vertigo, though.

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Re: PESO - Swinger

[Ann Sanfedele]

nice gracie, nice

ann

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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[eckinator]

2011/3/19 P. J. Alling :
>
> Once again, you are postulating torture for torture sake.  There's no
> percentage in it.  The Government gains nothing and can lose everything.
>  Rational beings don't risk that.  Manning is a known prisoner.  Even the
> most repressive government would think twice about the public relations
> disaster actually torturing such a prisoner would be.  You are exhibiting a
> fairly paranoid attitude about this.  No officer in the US military that
> cared about his career would allow this to happen, because eventually
> someone will have to be punished, and they know it wouldn't be a politician.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20029688-503543.html

even the UN are investigating it. the brig commander at quantico was
replaced following a complaint by coombs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365493/Pentagon-tells-Obama-Bradley-Mannings-prison-treatment-appropriate--gets-just-hour-outside-cell.html

oh and this quote says it all: "Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell told
ABC News: ‘Assertions by liberal bloggers, or network reporters or
others that he is being mistreated, or somehow treated differently
than others, in isolation, are just not accurate.’"

liberal seems to be the new communist. mccarthy rears his ugly head if
you ask me...

can't agree with you at all about my attitude being paranoid - what
makes Manning so dangerous that he is on 23 hour lockdown with all of
his clothes and his prescription eyeglasses taken away from him? but
hey I guess anythingshort of extraordinary rendition is fair treatment
if you're a liberal...

obama should return his nobel peace prize - it was an advance payment
and he didn't deliver

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RE: PESO - Swinger

[Jeffery Johnson]

Nice capture and brings back memories of trying to touch the sky.

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RE: PESO - On top of the Sarcophagus

[Jeffery Johnson]

The capture is nice but well I am so over snow and the cold.

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http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/topptur-sarkofagen.html

This shouldn't be too dark for anyone's eyes. :-)

Still gives me a memory of vertigo, though.

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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[Walter Gilbert]

On 3/19/2011 4:14 PM, eckinator wrote:

liberal seems to be the new communist. mccarthy rears his ugly head if
you ask me...
If it's any consolation, conservative has been the new Nazi for many 
years now.


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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

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2011/3/19 Walter Gilbert :
>
>> liberal seems to be the new communist. mccarthy rears his ugly head if
>> you ask me...
>
> If it's any consolation, conservative has been the new Nazi for many years
> now.

haha yes it is - to each their own flavour of fascism I guess =/

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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[steve harley]

On 2011-03-19 13:20 , P. J. Alling wrote:

Once again, you are postulating torture for torture sake. There's no
percentage in it. The Government gains nothing and can lose everything.


apparently, the US government has figured out its percentages on torture 
outcomes and decided it's worth doing as long as the blame can be 
deflected somewhat; don't ask me for the analysis that led to this 
conclusion




Rational beings don't risk that.


governments, like corporations, are not "rational beings", they are 
subject to a decision-making dynamic that can defy rationality in 
startlingly different ways than human beings themselves defy rationality



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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't know about MS Office ... I don't use Office at all, I use
Numbers, Pages and Keynote from Apple's iWork package on my desktop
and laptop computers. All three for the iPad are about $30 if I want
to buy them.

Normally, I don't use these sorts of things on the iPad though. I
output documents for display into PDF and show that. If I want to do
more sophisticated presentations, or data manipulation, I'd buy them.

Other software ... I haven't bought much. I'm not a huge software
collector, I only buy what I use. Most of what I use are a couple of
freebies (like the Amazon Kindle Reader), a couple of inexpensive
photo massaging gizmos, etc. I've probably spent 10:1 on buying
content (ebooks, videos and music) rather than applications.

No, it does not support flash media. I abhor flash websites anyway:
have a flash blocker on my desktop systems, so I don't tend to go to
websites that are flash anyway.

I haven't found any issues with loading content. What content
restrictions are you referring to? I load PDFs, epubs, Kindle books,
videos, photographs, etc. Most of them I get free or generate myself.


On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, eckinator  wrote:
> thanks godfrey - does it handle ms office and pdf files? and how much
> do you spend on apps? and i hear it doesn't support flash - how much
> of a problem is that? also what about content restrictions you read
> about?
> thanks again
> ecke
>
> 2011/3/19 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 6:44 PM, eckinator  wrote:
>>> my problem is I have no idea what the iPad is practical for; thus far
>>> I've ignored iProducts altogether - what are the most common storage
>>> intensive things that you use it for?
>>
>> For me, it works for:
>>
>> - the usual stuff (mobile access to web, email, address book)
>> - audio playback of podcasts and music
>> - ebooks (epubs and kindle)
>> - viewing photos and videos
>> - drawing, sketching, etc
>> - showing and viewing photographs
>>
>> It's also a testing platform for a couple of products I'd like to develop.
>>
>> It can do a lot more, all a matter of what you want to do and what
>> software is out there. There's tons.
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PESO(s)- ...

[Bong Manayon]

Just having fun, life has been too serious* lately...

http://bongmanayon.posterous.com/46557673

*Well, usually...for those in Facebook, you would have gotten wind of
a recent exhibit of mostly my photos hosted by the local government of
Quezon City (Philippines).

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Re: OT: iPad - how much memory is enough?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM, steve harley  wrote:
>> thanks steve - you wrote "most apps useless"
>
> well, more than half of the 200+ i never use, thus they are literally
> useless to me; most of these were free, so i just wasted a little time
> trying them out once; but there are also very useful apps, it pretty much
> has what most people want from a computer, as long as your expectations of
> configurability, processing power and efficiency are lowered a bit

There are about 65,000 application titles for the iPad now. Many of
those are content delivery apps, though, as opposed to "make or
control your own stuff" apps.

I don't use the iPad or iPod Touch to do things I normally do with the
laptop ... :-)
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RE: OT Thirty Five years ago.

[John Coyle]

Seems a long way from here...
35 years ago I had just started working for an engineering company in the
Midlands in England.  Just bought a house in a pleasant village about 20
miles from work, settled my 15-year old daughter and 6-year old son into
their new schools, and loved the environment.  Played badminton in the
village hall once a week, and walked the dog every Sunday: once for five
miles in fresh snow and before that I didn't know how good that could be!
Owned a crap car, a 1967 Ford Escort which had definitely seen better days,
but at least it kept going.
Photographically, I was still shell-shocked at the theft of my Pentax kit
from my car, complete with photos of a concert by Ella Fitzgerald and the
Count Basie band at London's Festival Hall the year before.  I had filled
the gap with a Fujica st605n (or 705n), which was good and took K-mount
lens.  I'd also joined a photo club locally, and was having a great time
once a month shooting real live girls in various stages of undress!  One of
them eventually went on to become a Page 3 girl, so the quality (of the
girls, not necessarily my photos) was pretty high.
Happy days


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
David J Brooks
Sent: Friday, 18 March 2011 11:27 PM
To: Pentax Discuss
Subject: OT Thirty Five years ago.

Paul's comments on a photo he did 35 years ago an new adjustments got me
thinking.

I use to do a "way back when" column for my companies Newsletter, jobs we
had done 30 years ago,  so i just thought i would put this out there.

What were you doing 35 years ago about this time.??

Me i was doing my first of many Trans Canada Pipeline jobs, providing
precise elevations on a series of bench marks North of Toronto.

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Re: PESO(s)- ...

[Ann Sanfedele]

:-)  that _is_ funny!

ann

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Just having fun, life has been too serious* lately...

http://bongmanayon.posterous.com/46557673

*Well, usually...for those in Facebook, you would have gotten wind of
a recent exhibit of mostly my photos hosted by the local government of
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Re: OT Thirty Five years ago.

[Bill Owens]

In 1976 we were living in Lewisburg, WV, where I was an agent for
Piedmont Airlines.  Our daughter was 3 years old and our son was 2
years away from being born.  Things were much simpler back then

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Re: PESO - On top of the Sarcophagus

[Steven Desjardins]

"I still don't get the 645D though (Chris lights blue touchpaper and
retires)..."

Every faith has its infidels. ;-)  Nice shot of an amazing landscape.


On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Jeffery Johnson
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> The capture is nice but well I am so over snow and the cold.
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/topptur-sarkofagen.html
>
> This shouldn't be too dark for anyone's eyes. :-)
>
> Still gives me a memory of vertigo, though.
>
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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[P. J. Alling]

On 3/19/2011 6:48 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2011-03-19 13:20 , P. J. Alling wrote:

Once again, you are postulating torture for torture sake. There's no
percentage in it. The Government gains nothing and can lose everything.


apparently, the US government has figured out its percentages on 
torture outcomes and decided it's worth doing as long as the blame can 
be deflected somewhat; don't ask me for the analysis that led to this 
conclusion




Rational beings don't risk that.


governments, like corporations, are not "rational beings", they are 
subject to a decision-making dynamic that can defy rationality in 
startlingly different ways than human beings themselves defy rationality



It's not the government that's rational, but the humans who run it and 
do it's bidding that are.  If you think that there are no consequences 
improper behavior should, just ask the General in charge of Abu Ghraib, 
she no longer has a career in the US military, the subordinates that 
were directly responsible were court-martialed and most received long 
prison sentences.  If Manning is being mistreated it will come out and 
heads will roll.  Maybe not the heads you want to roll but someone in 
the chain of responsibility will pay.  Hell, the US Navy just relieved 
the Skipper of the Enterprise for actions he took as the executive 
officer, that didn't even come close to mistreating a prisoner.  His 
immediate superiors who knew of his actions and tacitly allowed them to 
continue will be taking early retirement with loss of pay and rank.  
Their careers ruined as his.


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Re: Enablements (or: holy crap this thing's awesome)

[Steven Desjardins]

Like you, I was never a big fan of my K10D.  I like my K7 much better.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM, John Celio  wrote:
> It took forever for my K-5 battery to charge last night, but as soon as that
> light turned off I upgraded the firmware and started playing around with the
> settings. The first photos (and video) I took were all of my cat, so I will
> spare you from having to see that.
>
> Holy crap, this thing is lightyears ahead of my K10D. I was thinking of
> keeping the K10D as a backup, but I think it may just end up in permanent
> storage (no one will want this lemon of a camera, so I'm not going to try to
> sell it). The build and layout feels nothing like the Pentaxes I'm used to.
> I was out of the loop for so long!
>
> My only negative comment so far is that the focus-assist lamp is almost
> useless when using a large lens like the DA* 16-50. You have to be back
> pretty far for the light to illuminate near the center of the frame. I have
> no idea where they could have put it that would have been better, however.
>
> Anyway, I'm going to spend a good chunk of today looking for things to
> photograph and playing with this amazing piece of technology. It feels great
> to finally be excited about photography again!
>
> John
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> -Original Message- From: John Celio
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> My K-5 is here! The UPS guy dropped it off this morning, but since I'm
> at work I haven't had a chance to dive in yet. The box has been
> whispering at me all day, begging me to open it up and retrieve my
> prize, but I must resist its siren call and finish this damn project my
> boss gave me this morning. Oh the torture! Quiet your song, digital
> temptress!
>
> Did I mention last month that I got a new laptop? Well, more of a
> netbook. It was free from Google and came installed with Chrome OS
> (beta, of course). I was picked to be part of the Chrome OS Pilot
> Program, so I've been helping test the OS and the hardware, and so far I
> think it's pretty great for a netbook. Still buggy and there are lots of
> features that haven't been implemented yet (like a working file browser
> and controls for the built-in webcam), but since it's pretty much the
> Chrome browser running a laptop, it does what I expect and performs
> pretty well. It should be pretty awesome when it's ready for general
> consumption.
>
>
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Re: PESO - On top of the Sarcophagus

[Tim Bray]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Chris Mitchell
 wrote:

> I still don't get the 645D though

It's really, really simple.  You see, if you had a 645D you could take
beautiful pictures like Jostein does.  Because you can take better
pictures with more expensive cameras.   Isn't that how it works?   -T

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Re: PESO(s)- ...

[Steven Desjardins]

That's great.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> :-)  that _is_ funny!
>
> ann
>
> Bong Manayon wrote:
>
>> Just having fun, life has been too serious* lately...
>>
>> http://bongmanayon.posterous.com/46557673
>>
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>> Quezon City (Philippines).
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Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal

[eckinator]

2011/3/20 P. J. Alling :
>>
> It's not the government that's rational, but the humans who run it and do
> it's bidding that are.  If you think that there are no consequences improper
> behavior should, just ask the General in charge of Abu Ghraib, she no longer
> has a career in the US military, the subordinates that were directly
> responsible were court-martialed and most received long prison sentences.
>  If Manning is being mistreated it will come out and heads will roll.  Maybe
> not the heads you want to roll but someone in the chain of responsibility
> will pay.  Hell, the US Navy just relieved the Skipper of the Enterprise for
> actions he took as the executive officer, that didn't even come close to
> mistreating a prisoner.  His immediate superiors who knew of his actions and
> tacitly allowed them to continue will be taking early retirement with loss
> of pay and rank.  Their careers ruined as his.

yes but how many get away with similar things? and how do you know
those weren't just pawn sacrifices... my impression is you don't do
such things unless you are in an athmosphere that condones or
encourages such conduct... any government that allows waterboarding
and other forms of torture must not act surprised when their
executives vary the routine a bit...

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