Re: What next in an SLR?

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - From: "John Francis" 
>> 
>> Furthermore, such a camera would only cannibalise K-5 sales.  There's
>> not really any incentive for Pentax to destroy their own market,
> 
> 
> That's true, but I really wasn't thinking about Pentax profit--just imagining 
> a slimmed down camera that I'd be interested in.  Cheers, Christine

If you want near K-5 performance for a fraction of the price, get a K-r.
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Re: What next in an SLR?

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 17, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
> 
> 5. Quality GPS encoding into EXIF. Software options for setting defaults to 
> be used when satellite reception is insufficient for a good fix.

Wifi would give you your remote ability, plus the ability to get GPS from a GPS 
enabled smartphone.

> 6. More control over bracketing. When doing macro, for example, why can't I 
> bracket on depth of field (i.e., variations in f-stop) and let the camera 
> adjust shutter and/or ISO to maintain proper EV? (This idea stolen from my 
> brother. If there is already a way to do this, he and I would both love to 
> hear about it!) 

I was just bemoaning the lack of this myself and was told just to use the 
extended bracketing in JPEG only mode.
> Another thing the camera needs is lenses to put on the camera. The Pentax 
> vaunted backward compatibility has allowed them to get away with ignoring 
> their lens development in many areas, but they need to produce some modern 
> lenses already!
>   - DA* 250-600/5.6?
>   - DA* 600/4.0?
>   - DA 800/5.6?
> Yes, I know that these would be big and heavy and expensive, but the option 
> for a special order, at least, should be there.

I'd like a 
DA* 30/1.4
DA* 85/1.4  
DA* 100/2.0

but if they came out with those, then I'd really need to find a job.

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Cool photo opportunity: Raygun Gothic Rocketship

[Larry Colen]

I just saw a cool shot a friend took of this on the Embarcadero in SF:

http://www.raygungothicrocket.com/

one of many articles on it:
http://slyder24.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/the-raygun-gothic-rocketship/

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Re: paw week 15 skyscraper and cloud

[Chris Mitchell]

Great clouds Christine, but I feel that the skyscrapers are truncated
too much. They sort of sprout from nowhere. Personal view, but I'd
like to see where they sprout from the ground - it would give
continuity.

Cheers, Chris

On 18 April 2011 00:27, Christine  Aguila  wrote:
> Some neat clouds today in my part of the world--nice day too--cooler by the
> lake to be sure, but very pleasant!  Cheers, Christine
>
> http://aguilapaw.posterous.com/
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Re: "Pair of binoculars" (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

[Igor Roshchin]

Joseph,

Sorry, I don't think I understand you here.. Are you referring to the
abbreviations I used? Why? I missed the connection.

Igor


> Igor, did you look up at the same time the definitions of the
> internet-ese you used in posting this message?

> The English and my distant relative Webster would be beside themselves.
> : -)


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Re: What next in an SLR?

[John Francis]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 03:41:38PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:38 -0500, "Christine  Aguila"
>  wrote:
> > No, not really interested in that.  Cheers, Christine
> > 
> 
> 
> Well, I would be.  Or, at least I think I would be.
> 
> I've only briefly played with the original EP-1 and I liked it a lot.  I
> might have a totally different opinion once I've looked at a mirrorless
> camera seriously, though

I must admit that I definitely like the convenience and portability
of the E-PL1 (nominally my wife's camera ...)

http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW1031

Something about that size that would take my Pentax glass (without
losing any functionality) would certainly make me take a look at it.

It might not make a lot of sense on the back of telephoto lenses;
as another poster has mentioned, the balance of a DSLR on long glass
is much improved by the addition of a battery grip. But I don't use
long glass all the time, and a smaller, lighter body would be handy.
I'm not too bothered about the format - either APS-C or 4/3.

> 
> > From: "Steven Desjardins" 
> > 
> > Mirrorless with K-5 sensor?

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Re: "Pair of binoculars" (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

[Tim Bray]

>> BTW, AFAIK, OED is focused more on British English. . .

Um, no, it's not.  It tries with great energy to span all the
Englishes, and doesn't do a bad job.  I worked on the OED for some
years starting in 1987 and have to shut up right here lest I become
boring on the topic.  -T

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Re: What next in an SLR?

[Brian Walters]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:38 -0500, "Christine  Aguila"
 wrote:
> No, not really interested in that.  Cheers, Christine
> 


Well, I would be.  Or, at least I think I would be.

I've only briefly played with the original EP-1 and I liked it a lot.  I
might have a totally different opinion once I've looked at a mirrorless
camera seriously, though



Cheers

Brian

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> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steven Desjardins" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: What next in an SLR?
> 
> 
> Mirrorless with K-5 sensor?
> 
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine  Aguila
>  wrote:
> > Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-). 
> > I'd
> > want the weather sealing, Steve! Cheers, Christine
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" 
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: What next in an SLR?
> >
> >
> > Would leaving any of that out really save any money? Isn't most of
> > that already on the chip or mostly firmware? Maybe a KX style plastic
> > body with no weather sealing.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine Aguila
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must.
> >>
> >> 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera.
> >> K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural
> >> shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then
> >> add
> >> improved lowlight autofocus.
> >>
> >> Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure
> >> shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up
> >> camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of 
> >> the
> >> K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the
> >> K5 if needed.
> >>
> >> Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers,
> >> Christine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" 
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM
> >> Subject: What next in an SLR?
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take
> >>> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma
> >>> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't
> >>> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need,
> >>> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels
> >>> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so
> >>> on and so on.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out
> >>> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start.
> >>>
> >>> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
> >>> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
> >>> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.
> >>>
> >>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T
> >>>
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Re: Jumpy Video.

[Cotty]

On 17/4/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqU2EQExic

Of interest is that the way Youtube compresses video here - you're
presenting the system with a difficult video!! Moving water like that is
testing the encoder to the max and it can't keep up with the changes in
the water as it moves. How old is your Mac. It's quite possible the
video processor can't cope with displaying all that water in full
resolution on your display.

here's a test - simply make the window displaying the video of your
original a lot smaller - say a quarter the size of your screen - now
does it still jump? If it doesn't, you are hereby enabled to go buy a
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Re: Screwed by the mailman

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 17, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 17/4/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I saw a movie with title when I was in college.
> 
> Must be the same one I saw last week.

Sounds like a movie you watch five minutes at a time.
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Re: PESOs- First photos with the K-5

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 17, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Bong Manayon wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Lovely, Bong! The K-5 improves all my lenses. :)
>> 
> 
> Thanks!  I will be revisiting my older lenses...

Hitting info to zoom in Live View is a boon for manual focusing, especially in 
low light with fidgety lenses.

It is very tough, however to use LV to focus on moving objects because of the 
lag time.
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Re: "Pair of binoculars" (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

[John Francis]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:59:10PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> 
> BTW, AFAIK, OED is focused more on British English. . .

Well, of course it is.
But who else are you going to accept as the authority on the language?

An anectode I fondly remember from my past:

At one of the Cambridge Union debates, the principal guest speaker
was Peter Ustinov.  He was his usual erudite self, and used a couple
of particularly florid expressions, provoking some mild heckling.

They should have known better; he was prepared for that, en explained
that he'd checked the usage first by looking the expression up in the OED.
When this in turn was met by the anticipated cat-calls, he explained that
he would have used some other dictionary, but apparently Cambridge didn't
publish one!

What he was not prepared for, though, was the immediate response from some
unknown wit in the back benches: "We don't need to - we know all the words!"

(No - I don't know who made the wisecrack.  I couldn't see the speaker from
where I was sitting up in the gallery, and I didn't recognise the voice.)


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Re: Wood ducks redux + other fauna and flora

[Christine Aguila]

I remember seeing the ducks at the end--don't remember the birds with the 
stick in their beaks--pretty cool there.  I like the goose--you should name 
him Garfield  :-).  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Stan Halpin" 

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Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 8:48 PM
Subject: GESO: Wood ducks redux + other fauna and flora


The final (?) version of my wood duck shots from a week ago, plus nesting 
herons, misc geese, turtles, etc. from the same outing. All shot with my 
FA* 200/4 macro because it was the longest lens I had with me.


http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p612969039

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Re: Private Waterfall

[Christine Aguila]

Focus is a bit off, Dan.  Neat find with respect to subject.  Cheers, 
Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 

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Subject: PESO: Private Waterfall



http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12945056

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Re: paw week 15 skyscraper and cloud

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Bob, Steve, & Jack.  I used the sunny 16 rule with ISO & shutter at 
80.  It looked ok on the LCD, but in post processing I increased had to 
increase exposure .  There's something about the DA 21mm that does a lovely 
job on blue skies--in my view anyway.  This shot was actually my 3rd 
composition--the others are slightly different--but I thought in this one 
the cloud best complemented the skyscrapers.  Cheers, Christine



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To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: paw week 15 skyscraper and cloud


Very well rendered, Christine. Beautiful color treatment!

Jack

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From: Christine  Aguila 
Subject: paw week 15 skyscraper and cloud
To: pdml@pdml.net
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 4:27 PM
Some neat clouds today in my part of
the world--nice day too--cooler by the lake to be sure, but
very pleasant! Cheers, Christine

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Re: "Pair of binoculars" (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

[Joseph McAllister]

Igor, did you look up at the same time the definitions of the internet-ese you 
used in posting this message?

The English and my distant relative Webster would be beside themselves.   :-)

On Apr 17, 2011, at 19:59 , Igor Roshchin wrote:

> [See the most interesting for PDML finging on this questions a bit
> further in the text.]
> 
> Apparently, when I looked up "binocular" at M-W.com, 
> I didn't notice that for the second meaning, they mention that
> it is used in the plural form.
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/binocular?show=1
> OED has the same.
> (BTW, AFAIK, OED is focused more on British English, - hence, "binocle"
> seems to be more British than American. "Binocle" appears to come from
> French, while "binocular" originates as short for "binocular glass") 
> 
> So, I stand corrected about usage of "binoculars" for a single object.
> 
> I still dislike "pair of binoculars" being used for just one object.
> If I were a sales person, and a customer would order that way,
> I would sell two!

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Re: Tornadoes in North Carolina

[Christine Aguila]

Wow!  Glad you're ok, John.  Stay safe.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "John Sessoms" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:44 PM
Subject: OT: Tornadoes in North Carolina


One of them apparently was fairly near my house. I heard it ... the 
distinctive "sounded like a freight train going past", but did not see 
anything.


Haven't been able to get any real news. My cable was still off at home 
when I left for my internship this morning.


Came down to Asheboro after I got off work to make my weekly check on my 
apartment & the internet is on here, but none of the news gives me any 
overview. It's all about specific homes in some subdivisions that were 
destroyed, but no context to tell me where the subdivisions are located.


Even the TV news reports don't tell me anything other than some Raleigh PD 
spokesman droning on and on and on about how a tree fell on a trailer and 
this child was in this room and that child was there and this other child 
was ... all gory details I don't need and nothing to tell me where the 
damage is.


Local newspaper has close up images of damaged buildings, but no captions 
to tell me what building it was, or where it's located.


Not names for streets that are closed.


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Re: What next in an SLR?

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis" 


Furthermore, such a camera would only cannibalise K-5 sales.  There's
not really any incentive for Pentax to destroy their own market,



That's true, but I really wasn't thinking about Pentax profit--just 
imagining a slimmed down camera that I'd be interested in.  Cheers, 
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Re: What next in an SLR?

[Christine Aguila]

No, not really interested in that.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Desjardins" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: What next in an SLR?


Mirrorless with K-5 sensor?

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-). 
I'd

want the weather sealing, Steve! Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: What next in an SLR?


Would leaving any of that out really save any money? Isn't most of
that already on the chip or mostly firmware? Maybe a KX style plastic
body with no weather sealing.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine Aguila
 wrote:


1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must.

2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera.
K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural
shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then
add
improved lowlight autofocus.

Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure
shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up
camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of 
the

K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the
K5 if needed.

Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers,
Christine



- Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: What next in an SLR?



I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take
flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma
30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't
given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need,
and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels
as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so
on and so on.

I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out
what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start.

Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.

Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T

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Re: What next in an SLR?

[Bob Sullivan]

Stan,
Amen to the longer lenses and the tele converters.
We need more of these.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
>
> On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
>>
>> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
>> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
>> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.
>>
>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on?  -T
>
> 1. I don't want smaller. It is hard to manage a large heavy lens on a tiny 
> camera body. I've tried it with my EP-L2. I don't have the K-5 yet but have 
> played with one a bit, and quickly realized that I would not be able to use 
> it comfortably, even with something like the 21mm, without adding the battery 
> grip. With my K-20 I can go either way, and tend to use the grip mostly with 
> larger lenses.
> 2. Auto-focus will never be fast enough or precise enough, but that doesn't 
> mean that continued work should not go into that aspect of the system.
> 3. Why should I have to manually adjust each lens to the camera to achieve 
> proper focus? Give me a firmware fix that evaluates the lens and develops a 
> unique solution for that lens. Allow me to edit it, just in case.
> 4. I don't want a tethered camera. I want a camera with a high speed 
> Bluetooth type of transmitter/receiver that allows me to remotely control the 
> camera, and do on-the-fly auto downloads of images, without plugging in a 
> tether. Give me a transponder in a separate box to boost speed and distance 
> if need be, but no tethers!
> 5. Quality GPS encoding into EXIF. Software options for setting defaults to 
> be used when satellite reception is insufficient for a good fix.
> 6. More control over bracketing. When doing macro, for example, why can't I 
> bracket on depth of field (i.e., variations in f-stop) and let the camera 
> adjust shutter and/or ISO to maintain proper EV? (This idea stolen from my 
> brother. If there is already a way to do this, he and I would both love to 
> hear about it!)
> 7. I would like to be able to chose whether the camera defaults to HSM vs. 
> screw-drive AF for any given lens. And to change that on the fly. (So that I 
> could use an HSM lens on an auto-focus-capable tele-extender.)
>
> Another thing the camera needs is lenses to put on the camera. The Pentax 
> vaunted backward compatibility has allowed them to get away with ignoring 
> their lens development in many areas, but they need to produce some modern 
> lenses already!
>        - DA* 250-600/5.6?
>        - DA* 600/4.0?
>        - DA 800/5.6?
> Yes, I know that these would be big and heavy and expensive, but the option 
> for a special order, at least, should be there.
>
> And where are the DA 1.4 and DA 2.0 tele-extenders?!?
>
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Re: What next in an SLR?

[Stan Halpin]

On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
> 
> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.
> 
> Once again, what should Pentax be working on?  -T

1. I don't want smaller. It is hard to manage a large heavy lens on a tiny 
camera body. I've tried it with my EP-L2. I don't have the K-5 yet but have 
played with one a bit, and quickly realized that I would not be able to use it 
comfortably, even with something like the 21mm, without adding the battery 
grip. With my K-20 I can go either way, and tend to use the grip mostly with 
larger lenses. 
2. Auto-focus will never be fast enough or precise enough, but that doesn't 
mean that continued work should not go into that aspect of the system.
3. Why should I have to manually adjust each lens to the camera to achieve 
proper focus? Give me a firmware fix that evaluates the lens and develops a 
unique solution for that lens. Allow me to edit it, just in case.
4. I don't want a tethered camera. I want a camera with a high speed Bluetooth 
type of transmitter/receiver that allows me to remotely control the camera, and 
do on-the-fly auto downloads of images, without plugging in a tether. Give me a 
transponder in a separate box to boost speed and distance if need be, but no 
tethers!
5. Quality GPS encoding into EXIF. Software options for setting defaults to be 
used when satellite reception is insufficient for a good fix.
6. More control over bracketing. When doing macro, for example, why can't I 
bracket on depth of field (i.e., variations in f-stop) and let the camera 
adjust shutter and/or ISO to maintain proper EV? (This idea stolen from my 
brother. If there is already a way to do this, he and I would both love to hear 
about it!) 
7. I would like to be able to chose whether the camera defaults to HSM vs. 
screw-drive AF for any given lens. And to change that on the fly. (So that I 
could use an HSM lens on an auto-focus-capable tele-extender.)

Another thing the camera needs is lenses to put on the camera. The Pentax 
vaunted backward compatibility has allowed them to get away with ignoring their 
lens development in many areas, but they need to produce some modern lenses 
already!
- DA* 250-600/5.6?
- DA* 600/4.0?
- DA 800/5.6?
Yes, I know that these would be big and heavy and expensive, but the option for 
a special order, at least, should be there.

And where are the DA 1.4 and DA 2.0 tele-extenders?!? 

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Re: OT: Tornadoes in North Carolina

[Paul Sorenson]

Another article I found cited Stony Brook North mobile home park, off 
Brentwood Rd in Raleigh.  At least three killed, all children, and about 
half of the 200 trailers are considered unlivable.


On 4/17/2011 9:57 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

Glad to hear that you weren't directly affected! I had been wondering.
Meg has friends in Raleigh who reported that there was tornado damage "6-8 blocks 
away" but I couldn't begin to tell you where they are.

stan

On Apr 17, 2011, at 10:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote:


One of them apparently was fairly near my house. I heard it ... the distinctive 
"sounded like a freight train going past", but did not see anything.

Haven't been able to get any real news. My cable was still off at home when I 
left for my internship this morning.

Came down to Asheboro after I got off work to make my weekly check on my 
apartment&  the internet is on here, but none of the news gives me any 
overview. It's all about specific homes in some subdivisions that were destroyed, 
but no context to tell me where the subdivisions are located.

Even the TV news reports don't tell me anything other than some Raleigh PD 
spokesman droning on and on and on about how a tree fell on a trailer and this 
child was in this room and that child was there and this other child was ... 
all gory details I don't need and nothing to tell me where the damage is.

Local newspaper has close up images of damaged buildings, but no captions to 
tell me what building it was, or where it's located.

Not names for streets that are closed.


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Re: PESO: Private Waterfall

[Jack Davis]

Very soft, Dan. Looks like it may be from movement rather than focus.(?)

Jack

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> Subject: PESO: Private Waterfall
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 7:39 PM
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Re: GESO: Wood ducks redux + other fauna and flora

[Jack Davis]

Much, much nicer renderings, Stan! Well done! 

Jack

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> From: Stan Halpin 
> Subject: GESO: Wood ducks redux + other fauna and flora
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 6:48 PM
> The final (?) version of my wood duck
> shots from a week ago, plus nesting herons, misc geese,
> turtles, etc. from the same outing. All shot with my FA*
> 200/4 macro because it was the longest lens I had with me. 
> 
> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p612969039
> 
> If you are not familiar with the Zenfolio interface, note
> that clicking on a thumbnail in the Grid view will bring up
> a larger version of that image, with the Grid along the
> right hand side. Click again on the image to get a full size
> version, and use right/left arrows to navigate.
> 
> stan
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Re: "Pair of binoculars" (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

[Igor Roshchin]

[See the most interesting for PDML finging on this questions a bit
further in the text.]

Apparently, when I looked up "binocular" at M-W.com, 
I didn't notice that for the second meaning, they mention that
it is used in the plural form.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/binocular?show=1
OED has the same.
(BTW, AFAIK, OED is focused more on British English, - hence, "binocle"
seems to be more British than American. "Binocle" appears to come from
French, while "binocular" originates as short for "binocular glass") 

So, I stand corrected about usage of "binoculars" for a single object.


I still dislike "pair of binoculars" being used for just one object.
If I were a sales person, and a customer would order that way,
I would sell two!

> Similar usage as "a pair of pants." The binoculars have two oculars,
> pants have two legs.
>
> stan

"bi-" already stands for two.
You don't say "a pair of bicycles" for just one bike, even though there 
are two (mono-)cycles in each.


Joseph: it would be "people's brains" ;-)

Steven wrote:
> No, that would be "a couple of pairs of binoculars".  I am personally
> holding out for "multiple binoculi".
> ;-)

Steven, binoculi is plural for binoculus... :-)


And now, - the most interesting on the subject of this word for PDMLers:
>From OED:
"1935Discovery Nov. 330/2   We were busy watching the parties of
cormorant through the binoculars."





Bob: you are correct.
Yes, "pantaloons" originates from the Italian comedy character, 
Venetian Pantaleone, who was wearing long and wide pants.
This word propagated to various European languages: pantaloni (Italian)
pantalons (German), pantalones (Spanish), pantaloons (English)
I learned this some 3 years ago when I was investigating the origin
of these "pairs of ...".
(And OED suggests "pantaloons" as the contemporary spelling.
M-W - gives this and "Pantalone" for the character,
but seems to suggest only the former one for the breeches.)


Here is what OED said then about ethymology of this word (I am copying
from my 2008 notes, it may have changed since that):
(OED online, Draft Revision, Mar.  2008):
Pantaloon [< French pantalon the character Pantaloon (1583-4 as
Panthalon), person who changes his behaviour, opinions, etc., 
out of self-interest (1651), a comically hypocritical character (1679), 
costume of Pantaloon (1585 as pantaleon), close-fitting garment going
from the neck or shoulders to the feet with straight legs (1628), type
of (1650), long trousers (1790; also 1797 denoting a woman's undergarment) 
and its etymon Italian pantalone the Venetian character Pantaloon 
(1561 or earlier), so called from the frequency of Pantalone as a male 
forename among Venetians, which was in turn after the name of San 
Pantaleone or San Pantalone, the patron saint of the city (from at least the
10th cent.). Cf. Italian pantaloni trousers (1799; < French).]


Igor



> From s...@trantor.komkon.org Sun Apr 17 14:19:31 2011
> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:19:30 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Igor Roshchin 
> To: PDML@pdml.net
> Subject: "Pair of binoculars" (Was:  OT: Possible enablement - Pentax 
> binoculars?)
>
>
>
> "A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_? 
> ;-)
>
>
> My ears/eyes are irritated even when people use "pair of ..." with the
> nouns which are usually not used in a singular form (at least in the
> contemporary language), such as "pants" ("pantaloons"), "trousers", 
> "shorts", etc, while talking about a single object.
> At least, in that situation, it is based on the "etymology" of the
> object itself, as AFAIK, first, pants were not sewed together.[*]
> ... And that usage is considered acceptable.
>
>
> But one optical device in question is called a binocular, not binoculars!
> (Binocular is a pair of monoculars or telescopes.)
>
> So, people who own just one binocular [#] and talk about 
> _their_ "pair of binoculars" are half-similar to me bragging about
> _my_ "pair of 645D's" (as I have none).
> :-)
>
>
> --
> [*] I spent some time investigating this question, and found that this
> usage and word etymology is very similar in many languages from the
> Indo-European family, including English, French, Russian and several
> other slavic languages. And, in particular, it extrapolated on the
> objects that never had separate parts, such as "shorts" (aka "short
> pants").
>
> [#] Unlike e.g. Bob S. who owns two binoculars.
>
>
> Igor
>
> PS. This reminded me of a question I wanted to ask some time ago.
> Question for Italian speakers (Dario?): I wonder if "pair of 'pantaloni'"
> ("accoppiamento dei pantaloni"[?] - or whatever it is) is a common 
> expression in Italian?
>

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Re: OT: Tornadoes in North Carolina

[Stan Halpin]

Glad to hear that you weren't directly affected! I had been wondering.
Meg has friends in Raleigh who reported that there was tornado damage "6-8 
blocks away" but I couldn't begin to tell you where they are.

stan

On Apr 17, 2011, at 10:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> One of them apparently was fairly near my house. I heard it ... the 
> distinctive "sounded like a freight train going past", but did not see 
> anything.
> 
> Haven't been able to get any real news. My cable was still off at home when I 
> left for my internship this morning.
> 
> Came down to Asheboro after I got off work to make my weekly check on my 
> apartment & the internet is on here, but none of the news gives me any 
> overview. It's all about specific homes in some subdivisions that were 
> destroyed, but no context to tell me where the subdivisions are located.
> 
> Even the TV news reports don't tell me anything other than some Raleigh PD 
> spokesman droning on and on and on about how a tree fell on a trailer and 
> this child was in this room and that child was there and this other child was 
> ... all gory details I don't need and nothing to tell me where the damage is.
> 
> Local newspaper has close up images of damaged buildings, but no captions to 
> tell me what building it was, or where it's located.
> 
> Not names for streets that are closed.
> 
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Re: OT: Tornadoes in North Carolina

[Paul Sorenson]

John -

From the New York Times...

   "There were 92 tornadoes reported across North Carolina on Saturday
   night. At least 14 people were killed and 50 seriously injured in
   Bertie, N.C., according to state officials. Major avenues in
   downtown Raleigh were blocked by fallen trees. A Lowe’s store, in
   Lee County, above, was damaged extensively."

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/17/us/tornado.html

-p



On 4/17/2011 9:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
One of them apparently was fairly near my house. I heard it ... the 
distinctive "sounded like a freight train going past", but did not see 
anything.


Haven't been able to get any real news. My cable was still off at home 
when I left for my internship this morning.


Came down to Asheboro after I got off work to make my weekly check on 
my apartment & the internet is on here, but none of the news gives me 
any overview. It's all about specific homes in some subdivisions that 
were destroyed, but no context to tell me where the subdivisions are 
located.


Even the TV news reports don't tell me anything other than some 
Raleigh PD spokesman droning on and on and on about how a tree fell on 
a trailer and this child was in this room and that child was there and 
this other child was ... all gory details I don't need and nothing to 
tell me where the damage is.


Local newspaper has close up images of damaged buildings, but no 
captions to tell me what building it was, or where it's located.


Not names for streets that are closed.


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OT: Tornadoes in North Carolina

[John Sessoms]

One of them apparently was fairly near my house. I heard it ... the 
distinctive "sounded like a freight train going past", but did not see 
anything.


Haven't been able to get any real news. My cable was still off at home 
when I left for my internship this morning.


Came down to Asheboro after I got off work to make my weekly check on my 
apartment & the internet is on here, but none of the news gives me any 
overview. It's all about specific homes in some subdivisions that were 
destroyed, but no context to tell me where the subdivisions are located.


Even the TV news reports don't tell me anything other than some Raleigh 
PD spokesman droning on and on and on about how a tree fell on a trailer 
and this child was in this room and that child was there and this other 
child was ... all gory details I don't need and nothing to tell me where 
the damage is.


Local newspaper has close up images of damaged buildings, but no 
captions to tell me what building it was, or where it's located.


Not names for streets that are closed.


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PESO: Private Waterfall

[Daniel J. Matyola]

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Re: Well this is interesting...

[John Sessoms]

From: Bob Sullivan


Paul, Paul, Paul!
Mutual funds go up and mutual funds go down.  :-(
This money goes into FDIC insured Certificates of Deposit.
The return is terrible, but at least the principal is still there.
Regards,  Bob S.


Yeah, but there's an odd consistency to how they always went up just 
before I bought, and always go down just before I sell.



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Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

[John Sessoms]

I have a pair of Nikon binoculars I keep in the car for "just in case". 
I would have bought Pentax, but at the time I was in the market, no one 
around here stocked Pentax.


The binoculars I've looked at, I thought the Pentax binoculars were 
better quality than the equivalent Nikon binoculars.


From: Bob Sullivan


Stan, I am very happy with my Pentax 8x42 DCF HR II binoculars. Phase
coated, nitrogen filled, water proof, and astoundingly bright! I
liked them so much, I bought a 2nd pair so we both have them. You
won't be happy with Bushnel and I don't know about Nikon or Canon.
See the write-ups at Willowby's in NYC. Regards,  Bob and Lynn

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:

Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars
for birding. Something in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit
better than the $40-50 compact everyday binocs we have now, but
not anything in the $1000+ "serious birder" category.

My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to buy Pentax, all other
things equal. But the few reviews I have found (e.g., in
Cornell's birding magazine) put Pentax toward the bottom of the
list. And I don't want to buy a clearly inferior product just for
the Pentax name.



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Re: What next in an SLR?

[William Robb]

On 17/04/2011 2:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I'd like the tethering solution as well.


It's been proven that the hardware is already capable.
PK Tether does work.

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GESO: Wood ducks redux + other fauna and flora

[Stan Halpin]

The final (?) version of my wood duck shots from a week ago, plus nesting 
herons, misc geese, turtles, etc. from the same outing. All shot with my FA* 
200/4 macro because it was the longest lens I had with me. 

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p612969039

If you are not familiar with the Zenfolio interface, note that clicking on a 
thumbnail in the Grid view will bring up a larger version of that image, with 
the Grid along the right hand side. Click again on the image to get a full size 
version, and use right/left arrows to navigate.

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Re: PESO - Pussy willows

[drd1135]

I like the " bokehed shadow" bud to the left, but that's just taste. A really 
interesting shot. 
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Shortened link to blog image only this time, since the text in the
article has no connection to the motif.
http://turl.no/fkb

I've been playing around with a two-flash setup for macro in the last
couple of days, using an AF540FGZ in addition to the AF160-FC ring
flash. Getting the right balance between the two is an interesting
exercise. When using the 540 to provide background illumination, I
find it most predictable to set it to wireless slave mode, put it on
manual and home in on the right illumination for the particular
background. Pretty sure I haven't actually nailed it with this one,
but even getting to a proof of concept is a small victory for me.

Comments on lighting techniques most appreciated.

Jostein


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Re: Jumpy Video.

[Joseph McAllister]

On Apr 17, 2011, at 18:05 , Steven Desjardins wrote:

> This was mostly "Hey, I have video, right?".  I never have done video.
> As a matter of fact, I really don't understand your comment :-)


I should treat you to my continuous video, handheld, while my dog and I hiked 
several miles in the hills east of the coast of northern California. Sometimes 
following the dog, sometimes looking at the view, zooming in and out to frame 
the shot. 50 minutes of bouncy video, whipped about pans, and nauseating zooms 
while panning. The camera was a very early $250 digital piece of crap, that 
shot a proprietary AVI that could not be played via Quicktime until it was run 
through a DivX translator. Oh yes, the sensor was somehow messed up so the 
color across the width of the frame was striated and multicolored.

Artsy, is the way I described it!

:-)



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Re: OT: IMAC's and digital movie files

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-04-17 6:00 PM, Cotty wrote:

On 17/4/11, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:


Is there a program that will convert the files to the ones that IMovie
can use?

Here's one that every professional editor I know of has on his/her system:

Mpeg Streamclip:




Yes, I just finished playing around with that tonight and I'm quite 
impressed with it. Especially so since it solved a big problem we were 
having. Turns out that iMovie and iDVD between them cannot author a 
standard 4:3 DVD with a letterboxed 16:9 movie on it. Simply refuses. IT 
either squishes the 16:9 or stupidly crops the sides.


But if you export the 16:9 video from iMovie from MPEG Streamclip with 
Aspect 4:3 and Zoom X/Y of 1.333, you get your vid at 16:9 perfectly 
letterboxed in a 4:3 container!


Two thumbs up. Excellent utility.

-bmw

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Re: OT: IMAC's and digital movie files

[Walter Hamler]

I uploaded one clip to my smugmug page.   http://www.walthamler.smugmug.com

I can open these avi's in QT but my version doesn't allow saving them
again. I will ask my son what version of IMovie he has. It may need
upgrading.

Walt

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Walter Hamler  wrote:
>> I shot a movie for a friend that I now need to edit and add sound.
>> Unfortunately my PC has limited abilities with Microsoft Movie Maker.
>> My son has an IMAC and the movie capabilities of IMovie look great,
>> exactly what I need. Unfortunately it won't work with AVI files that
>> my E-PL2 shoots.
>> Is there a program that will convert the files to the ones that IMovie can 
>> use?
>
> Walter,
>
> Hmm. iMovie '11 has no difficulty importing and editing Motion JPEG
> .AVI file from my Olympus E-5. Similarly, Final Cut Express v4 has no
> problem with it.
>
> I can't imagine that the Motion JPEG .AVI file from the E-PL2 is
> anything different from that ... ?
>
> If you put a short .AVI file somewhere I can get to it, I'd be happy
> to give it a try. You can upload an example into the "whamler" folder
> at
>  http://public.mac.com/ramarren
> if you'd like. Please send an email to me at "godfreydigiorgi at me
> dot com" when you do so.
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Re: OT: IMAC's and digital movie files

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-04-17 6:10 PM, Cotty wrote:

On 17/4/11, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:

I shot a movie for a friend that I now need to edit and add sound.
Unfortunately my PC has limited abilities with Microsoft Movie Maker.
My son has an IMAC and the movie capabilities of IMovie look great,
exactly what I need. Unfortunately it won't work with AVI files that
my E-PL2 shoots.
Is there a program that will convert the files to the ones that IMovie
can use?

BTW, if you do any more than one or two videos a year, or would like
some much better functionality (iMovie is comparatively limited AFAIK)
then you can do a lot worse that Final Cut Express.


Cotty, you should give iMovie '11 a try sometime; it's gotten much more 
powerful that you might imagine. Plus it appears to be the way that 
Apple may be headed with their DV software. Have a look at this Final 
Cut Pro X sneak peek ...


http://goo.gl/gOacn

There's some controversy in the comments about whether Final Cut Pro X 
is really intended to replace FC Express or what.


Actually, we are on the verge of getting Final Cut Express 4 as we have 
run into limitations and annoyances with iMovie ourselves.


-bmw

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Re: "Pair of binoculars" (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

[Matthew Hunt]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:

> But one optical device in question is called a binocular, not binoculars!
> (Binocular is a pair of monoculars or telescopes.)

You are correct, and this usage is observed by professionals in the
field. For example, on Zeiss's web page: "This is corrected by folding
in or separating the barrels of the binocular." Leica: "the most
powerful binocular in the 42mm class"

However, "pair of binoculars" is so much more common in colloquial
American English, that it sounds stilted to talk about "a binocular"
as a layperson.

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Re: Back Fence Quail

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Steve! The background proves the Quail actually came to my 
neighborhood. ;)

Jack

--- On Sun, 4/17/11, Steven Desjardins  wrote:

> From: Steven Desjardins 
> Subject: Re: Back Fence Quail
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 5:53 PM
> Great shot.  I missed this
> originally.  The background is funny but
> the purple nicely frames the bird.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> > Thanks for commenting, Ken. I honestly don't know why
> I posted it except for its being such a surprise to see.
> We're in a medium small population area ('prox 65,000) and
> it's not something I expected, especially when I had a
> camera handy.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Ken Waller 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Ken Waller 
> >> Subject: Re: Back Fence Quail
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 2:46 PM
> >> Very nice capture, just wish the
> >> background was a touch less prominent.
> >> Inclusion of the fence is a real plus IMO.
> >>
> >> Kenneth Waller
> >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> >>
> >> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis"
> 
> >> Subject: PESO: Back Fence Quail
> >>
> >>
> >> > First one of these I've seen perched on
> anything in
> >> our yard. Per my Field Guide, it's a California
> Quail. I
> >> might have guessed that.
> >> > We have a Finch feeder on a garden-poll just
> to the
> >> right. It's obvious we've seen many downloading
> their
> >> thistle seed residue on said fence.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Comments welcome!
> >> >
> >> > Jack
> >> >
> >> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=591
> >> >
> >> > K-5, DA 55-300@300, 1/500, ISO 3200, hand
> held.
> >>
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Re: Jumpy Video.

[Steven Desjardins]

This was mostly "Hey, I have video, right?".  I never have done video.
 As a matter of fact, I really don't understand your comment :-)

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> It looks fine on my iMac, on YouTube. Can't vouch for what you see playing it 
> in Qtime or what you are using.
>
> On a critical note: It is easier for the eye to wander around several 
> un-panned shots than to try to follow the artist's pan, unless on a good 
> tripod with limited use of it.
>
> Of course, I understand if you wanted to get the shot and get out of there 
> before the bridge collapsed.   :-)
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2011, at 16:44 , Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>> Damn, it looks much better on youtube.  Must be the Mac.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqU2EQExic
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Re: "Pair of binoculars" (Was: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?)

[Steven Desjardins]

"A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?

No, that would be "a couple of pairs of binoculars".  I am personally
holding out for "multiple binoculi".
;-)
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
>
>
> "A pair of binoculars" - is this two binoculars or just one _binocular_?
> ;-)
>
>
> My ears/eyes are irritated even when people use "pair of ..." with the
> nouns which are usually not used in a singular form (at least in the
> contemporary language), such as "pants" ("pantaloons"), "trousers",
> "shorts", etc, while talking about a single object.
> At least, in that situation, it is based on the "etymology" of the
> object itself, as AFAIK, first, pants were not sewed together.[*]
> ... And that usage is considered acceptable.
>
>
> But one optical device in question is called a binocular, not binoculars!
> (Binocular is a pair of monoculars or telescopes.)
>
> So, people who own just one binocular [#] and talk about
> _their_ "pair of binoculars" are half-similar to me bragging about
> _my_ "pair of 645D's" (as I have none).
> :-)
>
>
> --
> [*] I spent some time investigating this question, and found that this
> usage and word etymology is very similar in many languages from the
> Indo-European family, including English, French, Russian and several
> other slavic languages. And, in particular, it extrapolated on the
> objects that never had separate parts, such as "shorts" (aka "short
> pants").
>
> [#] Unlike e.g. Bob S. who owns two binoculars.
>
>
> Igor
>
> PS. This reminded me of a question I wanted to ask some time ago.
> Question for Italian speakers (Dario?): I wonder if "pair of 'pantaloni'"
> ("accoppiamento dei pantaloni"[?] - or whatever it is) is a common
> expression in Italian?
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Re: Jumpy Video.

[Joseph McAllister]

It looks fine on my iMac, on YouTube. Can't vouch for what you see playing it 
in Qtime or what you are using.

On a critical note: It is easier for the eye to wander around several un-panned 
shots than to try to follow the artist's pan, unless on a good tripod with 
limited use of it.

Of course, I understand if you wanted to get the shot and get out of there 
before the bridge collapsed.   :-)


On Apr 17, 2011, at 16:44 , Steven Desjardins wrote:

> Damn, it looks much better on youtube.  Must be the Mac.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqU2EQExic

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Re: Back Fence Quail

[Steven Desjardins]

Great shot.  I missed this originally.  The background is funny but
the purple nicely frames the bird.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Thanks for commenting, Ken. I honestly don't know why I posted it except for 
> its being such a surprise to see. We're in a medium small population area 
> ('prox 65,000) and it's not something I expected, especially when I had a 
> camera handy.
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Ken Waller  wrote:
>
>> From: Ken Waller 
>> Subject: Re: Back Fence Quail
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 2:46 PM
>> Very nice capture, just wish the
>> background was a touch less prominent.
>> Inclusion of the fence is a real plus IMO.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" 
>> Subject: PESO: Back Fence Quail
>>
>>
>> > First one of these I've seen perched on anything in
>> our yard. Per my Field Guide, it's a California Quail. I
>> might have guessed that.
>> > We have a Finch feeder on a garden-poll just to the
>> right. It's obvious we've seen many downloading their
>> thistle seed residue on said fence.
>> >
>> >
>> > Comments welcome!
>> >
>> > Jack
>> >
>> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=591
>> >
>> > K-5, DA 55-300@300, 1/500, ISO 3200, hand held.
>>
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Re: PESO - Find Dining

[Steven Desjardins]

Stopped at a Louisiana truck stop once and had "Legs and Eggs".  For
some reason I thought chicken, but of course I got frog.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Steve,
> May you frequent nothing but 'Greasy Spoons for Truckers' on the Interstate.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> Interstate.On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Steven Desjardins
>  wrote:
>> I thought it was a clever joke.  That's certainly how I think about
>> Mickie D's on the interstate.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>>> Thanks Steve. Should have been "Fine Dining" of course. But it really 
>>> doesn't matter, does it?
>>> Paul
>>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>>
 uhh, and me on a diet.  Charming as always.  When she's in her teens,
 you're going to have to trade that DSLR in for shotgun.

 On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  
 wrote:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12974280
>
> K-5, DA* 16-50, ISO 1250
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Re: paw week 15 skyscraper and cloud

[Jack Davis]

Very well rendered, Christine. Beautiful color treatment!

Jack

--- On Sun, 4/17/11, Christine  Aguila  wrote:

> From: Christine  Aguila 
> Subject: paw week 15 skyscraper and cloud
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 4:27 PM
> Some neat clouds today in my part of
> the world--nice day too--cooler by the lake to be sure, but
> very pleasant!  Cheers, Christine
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Re: PESOs- First photos with the K-5

[Bong Manayon]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> Awww, they're lovely, and so are the pictures.  What's the occasion
> they're dressing up for?  -T
>

It's an annual festival here in Manila called Aliwan Festival.  The
whole country has a lot of spring/summer festivals celebrating
anything from the planting season, harvest, a Catholic patron saint or
a Muslim wedding; given the fact that we are an archipelago it is
difficult to visit all those places so someone had this idea of
bringing all (or regional representatives) of those traditions in to
one big fiesta.  It is a photographer's paradise with all those
participants all dressed up (here are some from two years ago >
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/sets/72157617454987467/).

Instead of trying to shoot the actual parade, what I usually do is go
to the assembly area/staging ground to shoot portraits of the
participants while they are prepping/waiting for the parade to start.
Usually happens around April...an excuse to visit the Philippines ;-)

Bong

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Re: PESO: Black Cat on Frozen Lake

[Ann Sanfedele]

He did, and I voted for it :-)

ann

Steven Desjardins wrote:


BTW, you did submit this to the PPG, right?

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
 


Here's high praise:  When I saw this post I went back and looked at
the picture again, which is a very rare event.  It's a very pleasing
image.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
   


On 3/17/2011 09:19, Bulent Celasun wrote:
 


From a recent trip to easternmost Turkey.
 


http://500px.com/photo/437321

Bulent

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Let me join the chorus of praises of this most successful shot, even though
I am coming late here...

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Re: Back Fence Quail

[Jack Davis]

Thanks for commenting, Christine. Really, I was just reporting the Quail's 
surprise visit and have no future plans for the image.

Jack

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> From: Christine  Aguila 
> Subject: Re: Back Fence Quail
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 4:00 PM
> I like it Jack.  The bird and
> fence look good.  Like Ken said, though, background a
> bit distracting.  Maybe some cloning?  :-) 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:14 AM
> Subject: PESO: Back Fence Quail
> 
> 
> > First one of these I've seen perched on anything in
> our yard. Per my Field Guide, it's a California Quail. I
> might have guessed that.
> > We have a Finch feeder on a garden-poll just to the
> right. It's obvious we've seen many downloading their
> thistle seed residue on said fence.
> > 
> > 
> > Comments welcome!
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=591
> > 
> > K-5, DA 55-300@300, 1/500, ISO 3200, hand held.
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Re: PESOs- First photos with the K-5

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Very nice.  I like the smile on the second one.

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> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Lovely, Bong! The K-5 improves all my lenses. :)
>>
>
> Thanks!  I will be revisiting my older lenses...
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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

[Charles Robinson]

On Apr 17, 2011, at 17:31, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Anyway, all good immigrants are supposed to view the Statue of Liberty
> as they sail into New Your harbor, but as luck would have it we
> arrives in the wee hours of the morning and missed it. I've still
> never visited it, though I'd rather like to
> 

My brother just dug out some old photos we took from inside the head/crown back 
in 1975.  Even back then as a small kid, I felt it was too crowded and maybe a 
little dangerous.  

Glad we got to go in there while we could, though!

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Re: paw week 15 skyscraper and cloud

[Steven Desjardins]

Nicely composed.

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> Some neat clouds today in my part of the world--nice day too--cooler by the
> lake to be sure, but very pleasant!  Cheers, Christine
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Re: Back Fence Quail

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Paul! I'll pass it along to the K-5. ;)

Jack

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> From: Paul Stenquist 
> Subject: Re: Back Fence Quail
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 3:56 PM
> Super sharp, well done. 
> Paul
> 
> On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for commenting, Ken. I honestly don't know why
> I posted it except for its being such a surprise to see.
> We're in a medium small population area ('prox 65,000) and
> it's not something I expected, especially when I had a
> camera handy.
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Ken Waller 
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Ken Waller 
> >> Subject: Re: Back Fence Quail
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 2:46 PM
> >> Very nice capture, just wish the
> >> background was a touch less prominent.
> >> Inclusion of the fence is a real plus IMO.
> >> 
> >> Kenneth Waller
> >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> >> 
> >> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis"
> 
> >> Subject: PESO: Back Fence Quail
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> First one of these I've seen perched on
> anything in
> >> our yard. Per my Field Guide, it's a California
> Quail. I
> >> might have guessed that.
> >>> We have a Finch feeder on a garden-poll just
> to the
> >> right. It's obvious we've seen many downloading
> their
> >> thistle seed residue on said fence.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Comments welcome!
> >>> 
> >>> Jack
> >>> 
> >>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=591
> >>> 
> >>> K-5, DA 55-300@300, 1/500, ISO 3200, hand
> held.
> >> 
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Re: Jumpy Video.

[Steven Desjardins]

I misspoke.  It must be something ON the Mac.  ;-)

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> On 18 April 2011 09:44, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> Damn, it looks much better on youtube.  Must be the Mac.
>
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Re: PESOs- First photos with the K-5

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On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Lovely, Bong! The K-5 improves all my lenses. :)
>

Thanks!  I will be revisiting my older lenses...

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Re: K-5 Conundrum definition from Lurker

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On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Morris Galloway
 wrote:
> I suppose I could read the manual, but here is the deal.
> Took some 'K-5 Movies' with sound from a Rode Microphone. Sound is great.
> Video is great. But the Sound and Video are mis-synchronized. Mouths open,
> sound starts later. Like seconds later. And mouths close, and sound
> continues on for four seconds.
>
> Certainly this is operator error; is there a cause? And is there a fix?

Which video player/software were you viewing it on?  Something like
that happens to me when I shoot video with my K-x and run it on my
desktop using XP; but not with my laptop on Win7 where it runs fine.

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Re: paw week 15 skyscraper and cloud

[Bob Sullivan]

Christine,
Charming study.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Some neat clouds today in my part of the world--nice day too--cooler by the
> lake to be sure, but very pleasant!  Cheers, Christine
>
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Re: PESO - Find Dining

[Bob Sullivan]

Steve,
May you frequent nothing but 'Greasy Spoons for Truckers' on the Interstate.
Regards,  Bob S.

Interstate.On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Steven Desjardins
 wrote:
> I thought it was a clever joke.  That's certainly how I think about
> Mickie D's on the interstate.
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Thanks Steve. Should have been "Fine Dining" of course. But it really 
>> doesn't matter, does it?
>> Paul
>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>
>>> uhh, and me on a diet.  Charming as always.  When she's in her teens,
>>> you're going to have to trade that DSLR in for shotgun.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>>> wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12974280

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Re: Jumpy Video.

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On 18 April 2011 09:44, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Damn, it looks much better on youtube.  Must be the Mac.

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Re: K-5 Conundrum definition from Lurker

[Joseph McAllister]

Very easily fixed in most movie editing programs. Just have to move the entire 
audio track, before you start cutting, so the sound of the first spoken word 
syncs to the mouth. Before any editing!


On Apr 17, 2011, at 14:03 , Morris Galloway wrote:

> I suppose I could read the manual, but here is the deal.
> Took some 'K-5 Movies' with sound from a Rode Microphone. Sound is great. 
> Video is great. But the Sound and Video are mis-synchronized. Mouths open, 
> sound starts later. Like seconds later. And mouths close, and sound continues 
> on for four seconds.
> 
> Certainly this is operator error; is there a cause? And is there a fix?
> 
> Galloway, constant lurker and general pain in the rump.


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Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

[Steven Desjardins]

An aside:  I remember back in 2000 on a safari in Tanzania.  Various
brands of binoculars, but one woman had Leica.  The difference in
brightness and clarity was astonishing.  Our native guide borrowed
them once and did a literal double take.  Hide told me after that he
didn't know the such things even existed.

There is pertinent advice here:  don't look through Leicas.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Peter Jordan  wrote:
> I have a Pentax spotting scope and the reaction of other birders with more 
> "popular" brands is to come over and have a look, then go "Holy cr@p that's 
> good".
>
> I had a top of the range Nikon scope and wanted to change to something with 
> more light gathering power and looked at a bunch of 80mm scopes and the 
> Pentax beat them all hands down, at least IMHO.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 17 Apr 2011, at 04:25, Stan Halpin wrote:
>
>> Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for 
>> birding. Something in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the 
>> $40-50 compact everyday binocs we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ 
>> "serious birder" category.
>>
>> My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to buy Pentax, all other things 
>> equal. But the few reviews I have found (e.g., in Cornell's birding 
>> magazine) put Pentax toward the bottom of the list. And I don't want to buy 
>> a clearly inferior product just for the Pentax name.
>>
>> So, anyone here with experience with Pentax binoculars? Can you provide any 
>> comparisons with other brands in the same price range? Can you convince me 
>> that I should (or should not) go for a Pentax? Note that I am not that 
>> concerned with the price as long as it is in my general price range; if 
>> there is a Pentax model that costs $499 that is equivalent in features and 
>> performance to something else that costs $349, I would probably buy Pentax. 
>> I just don't want to pay the same or more for the Pentax if it is clearly 
>> inferior. And I don't have any local stores where I can go and see and try 
>> out any of those I am thinking about.
>>
>> I am also toying with the notion of a spotting scope, and Pentax has an 
>> eyepiece adapter that converts their scopes to a 780mm or 1000mm f/12 
>> K-mount lens. But, again, the reviews put Pentax spotting scopes toward the 
>> bottom of the list. Anyone here with experience with this class of product?
>>
>> Any information, opinions (informed or otherwise), pointers to good web 
>> resources, etc. would be greatly appreciated!
>>
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Re: What next in an SLR?

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I'm not surprised that's it's not popular on the PDML.  But they do
sell and Pentax could find that market profitable.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
> On Apr 17, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>> Mirrorless with K-5 sensor?
>
> I'll pass on that.
>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine  Aguila
>>  wrote:
>>> Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-).  I'd
>>> want the weather sealing, Steve!  Cheers, Christine
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" 
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: What next in an SLR?
>>>
>>>
>>> Would leaving any of that out really save any money?  Isn't most of
>>> that already on the chip or mostly firmware?  Maybe a KX style plastic
>>> body with no weather sealing.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine  Aguila
>>>  wrote:

 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must.

 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera.
 K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural
 shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then
 add
 improved lowlight autofocus.

 Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure
 shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up
 camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the
 K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the
 K5 if needed.

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 Christine



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 Subject: What next in an SLR?


> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take
> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma
> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't
> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need,
> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels
> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so
> on and so on.
>
> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out
> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start.
>
> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.
>
> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T
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Re: What next in an SLR?

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On Apr 17, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> Mirrorless with K-5 sensor?

I'll pass on that.

> 
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine  Aguila
>  wrote:
>> Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-).  I'd
>> want the weather sealing, Steve!  Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: What next in an SLR?
>> 
>> 
>> Would leaving any of that out really save any money?  Isn't most of
>> that already on the chip or mostly firmware?  Maybe a KX style plastic
>> body with no weather sealing.
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine  Aguila
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must.
>>> 
>>> 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera.
>>> K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural
>>> shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then
>>> add
>>> improved lowlight autofocus.
>>> 
>>> Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure
>>> shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up
>>> camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the
>>> K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the
>>> K5 if needed.
>>> 
>>> Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers,
>>> Christine
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" 
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM
>>> Subject: What next in an SLR?
>>> 
>>> 
 I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take
 flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma
 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't
 given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need,
 and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels
 as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so
 on and so on.
 
 I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out
 what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start.
 
 Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
 K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
 deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.
 
 Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T
 
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Re: What next in an SLR?

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On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 06:20:05PM -0500, Christine  Aguila wrote:
> 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must.
> 
> 2) But, here's what I'd like to see:  a stripped down camera.
> K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature,
> natural shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes,  white balance
> features--then add improved lowlight autofocus.
> 
> Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple
> exposure shooting,  etc.  I think  a stripped down camera would make
> a nice back-up camera or primary camera for that matter.  It would
> have the quality of the K5 but hopefully at a lower cost.

Not an economically feasible solution.  You wouldn't be able to sell
enough of them to make the cost appreciably lower than the cost of
the same camera with those features enabled - just about everything
you mention is a "software only" feature, and doesn't affect the
unit cost of manufacturing.  About the only hardware difference 
would be if there were variations in the FPS rate, and my guess is
that the cost of providing two complete sets of electronics (with
different bus & CPU speeds) would far outweigh any potential savings.

Furthermore, such a camera would only cannibalise K-5 sales.  There's
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Re: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera

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That was a hard call.  The MX was a beauty.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
> The MX.  But I just recently purchased an MX from a PDMler.  It's in
> excellent condition.  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera
>
>
> What was it?
>
> Nosy Steve
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Christine  Aguila
>  wrote:
>>
>> I sold it to pay for a security deposit on housing when I was in
>> college--and stopped doing photography. I could kick myself for that.
>> Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl"
>> 
>> To: "pdml" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:30 PM
>> Subject: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera
>>
>>
>>> I was in college and had shot 35mm during HS and had also made good use
>>> of
>>> my GIII just before getting the K1000. So when a popular speaker came to
>>> the college I got there early and got a front-row set. Then I sat on the
>>> floor and shot up at him as he spoke, walked, and gestured. He got quite
>>> animated for the cameras. (Some people really enjoy being photographed.)
>>>
>>> Anyway, afterward I noticed that the film rewound too quickly. And we all
>>> know what that means. (Or is that assuming too much these days? Have
>>> people forgotten?)
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Collin Brendemuehl
>>> http://kerygmainstitute.org
>>>
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>>> -- Jim Elliott
>>>
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Re: What next in an SLR?

[Steven Desjardins]

Mirrorless with K-5 sensor?

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
> Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-).  I'd
> want the weather sealing, Steve!  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: What next in an SLR?
>
>
> Would leaving any of that out really save any money?  Isn't most of
> that already on the chip or mostly firmware?  Maybe a KX style plastic
> body with no weather sealing.
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine  Aguila
>  wrote:
>>
>> 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must.
>>
>> 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera.
>> K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural
>> shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then
>> add
>> improved lowlight autofocus.
>>
>> Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure
>> shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up
>> camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the
>> K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the
>> K5 if needed.
>>
>> Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers,
>> Christine
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM
>> Subject: What next in an SLR?
>>
>>
>>> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take
>>> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma
>>> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't
>>> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need,
>>> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels
>>> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so
>>> on and so on.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out
>>> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start.
>>>
>>> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
>>> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
>>> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.
>>>
>>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T
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Re: PDML FAQ

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Wow, I didn't know this is a photography list.  That would explain all
the pictures.  Thanks, Brian.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
> Looks good, Brian!  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Brian Walters" 
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> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:38 PM
> Subject: PDML FAQ
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>> G'day all
>>
>> Just posting the FAQ link for the benefit of new members (or long time
>> members who are still wondering what PDML is all about)
>>
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
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Re: What next in an SLR?

[Christine Aguila]

Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-).  I'd 
want the weather sealing, Steve!  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Desjardins" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: What next in an SLR?


Would leaving any of that out really save any money?  Isn't most of
that already on the chip or mostly firmware?  Maybe a KX style plastic
body with no weather sealing.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:

1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must.

2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera.
K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural
shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then 
add

improved lowlight autofocus.

Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure
shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up
camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the
K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the
K5 if needed.

Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers,
Christine



- Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: What next in an SLR?



I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take
flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma
30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't
given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need,
and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels
as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so
on and so on.

I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out
what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start.

Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.

Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T

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Re: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera

[Christine Aguila]

The MX.  But I just recently purchased an MX from a PDMler.  It's in 
excellent condition.  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Desjardins" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera


What was it?

Nosy Steve

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:

I sold it to pay for a security deposit on housing when I was in
college--and stopped doing photography. I could kick myself for that.
Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl"

To: "pdml" 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera


I was in college and had shot 35mm during HS and had also made good use 
of

my GIII just before getting the K1000. So when a popular speaker came to
the college I got there early and got a front-row set. Then I sat on the
floor and shot up at him as he spoke, walked, and gestured. He got quite
animated for the cameras. (Some people really enjoy being photographed.)

Anyway, afterward I noticed that the film rewound too quickly. And we all
know what that means. (Or is that assuming too much these days? Have
people forgotten?)

Sincerely,

Collin Brendemuehl
http://kerygmainstitute.org

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Re: PDML FAQ

[Christine Aguila]

Looks good, Brian!  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:38 PM
Subject: PDML FAQ



G'day all

Just posting the FAQ link for the benefit of new members (or long time
members who are still wondering what PDML is all about)


http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html



Cheers

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Re: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera

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What was it?

Nosy Steve

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
> I sold it to pay for a security deposit on housing when I was in
> college--and stopped doing photography.  I could kick myself for that.
> Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl"
> 
> To: "pdml" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:30 PM
> Subject: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera
>
>
>> I was in college and had shot 35mm during HS and had also made good use of
>> my GIII just before getting the K1000.  So when a popular speaker came to
>> the college I got there early and got a front-row set.  Then I sat on the
>> floor and shot up at him as he spoke, walked, and gestured.  He got quite
>> animated for the cameras.  (Some people really enjoy being photographed.)
>>
>> Anyway, afterward I noticed that the film rewound too quickly.  And we all
>> know what that means.  (Or is that assuming too much these days?  Have
>> people forgotten?)
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Collin Brendemuehl
>> http://kerygmainstitute.org
>>
>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose"
>> -- Jim Elliott
>>
>>
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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

[Sasha Sobol]

Nice.
I like this smile:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5625381526/in/set-72157626511238830
--S

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
> I like it!  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: High ISO noise on the K-5
>
>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>>
>>> Nice set, Larry.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>>  I think 5183 has some real potential.  The couple's expressions are
>>> great.  Maybe a bw conversion would work.
>>
>> I had considered that, but liked the blues in the background. However,
>> giving it a try was a great excuse to procrastinate getting back to work on
>> my little construction project for a few minutes:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5628839771/in/set-72157626511238830
>>
>> the color version
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5624794029/in/set-72157626511238830
>>
>>
>>> Cheers, Christine
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:32 PM
>>> Subject: High ISO noise on the K-5
>>>
>>>
 There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various
 reasons I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available 
 light.
 The musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept having to boost
 the ISO to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up shooting at ISO
 20,00. The thing that impresses me the most isn't the lack of noise, but 
 the
 quality of the noise.

 With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the
 K-5 even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of 
 those
 paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling? 
 Impressionistic?

 Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The
 thing that I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range,
 when there are bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In
 some cases I get this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that 
 it
 might have something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright
 lights in the background out of clipping and into color.

 pictures at:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
 or:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/

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Re: What next in an SLR?

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Would leaving any of that out really save any money?  Isn't most of
that already on the chip or mostly firmware?  Maybe a KX style plastic
body with no weather sealing.

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 wrote:
> 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must.
>
> 2) But, here's what I'd like to see:  a stripped down camera.
> K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural
> shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes,  white balance features--then add
> improved lowlight autofocus.
>
> Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure
> shooting,  etc.  I think  a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up
> camera or primary camera for that matter.  It would have the quality of the
> K5 but hopefully at a lower cost.  One could use the fancy features on the
> K5 if needed.
>
> Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.  :-)  Cheers,
> Christine
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM
> Subject: What next in an SLR?
>
>
>> I'm awfully happy with the K-5.  (I was out last night trying to take
>> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma
>> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't
>> given up).  Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need,
>> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels
>> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so
>> on and so on.
>>
>> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out
>> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start.
>>
>> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
>> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
>> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.
>>
>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on?  -T
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Re: Jumpy Video.

[Steven Desjardins]

Damn, it looks much better on youtube.  Must be the Mac.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqU2EQExic
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Cotty  wrote:
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>>
>>>I took some video of the little creek gone mad.  I'm always
>>>disappointed by how tame it all looks in stills and suddenly
>>>remembered the K7 has a video mode.  Thje quality is fine but it seems
>>>a little "jumpy" like it can't read the file fast enough.  I
>>>downloaded to the HD, so that is as good as it's going to get.  Any
>>>thoughts.
>>
>> What size were you shooting in? Framerate? Interlaced or progressive?
>> (for that matter does the K7 give you a choice??
>>
>> URL?
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Re: Jumpy Video.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqU2EQExic

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>
>>I took some video of the little creek gone mad.  I'm always
>>disappointed by how tame it all looks in stills and suddenly
>>remembered the K7 has a video mode.  Thje quality is fine but it seems
>>a little "jumpy" like it can't read the file fast enough.  I
>>downloaded to the HD, so that is as good as it's going to get.  Any
>>thoughts.
>
> What size were you shooting in? Framerate? Interlaced or progressive?
> (for that matter does the K7 give you a choice??
>
> URL?
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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

[Bran Everseeking]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:52:48 +0300
Boris Liberman  wrote:

> It strikes me as an entirely non-trivial matter - which of the two -
> the real one or the Vegas replica has been seen by more people. It
> very well may be that the replica is the genuine article, so to say.

Seems odd that no one has mentioned that the one Up North is French.

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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

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I like it!  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: High ISO noise on the K-5




On Apr 17, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:


Nice set, Larry.


Thanks.

 I think 5183 has some real potential.  The couple's expressions are 
great.  Maybe a bw conversion would work.


I had considered that, but liked the blues in the background. However, 
giving it a try was a great excuse to procrastinate getting back to work 
on my little construction project for a few minutes:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5628839771/in/set-72157626511238830

the color version

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5624794029/in/set-72157626511238830



Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: High ISO noise on the K-5


There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various 
reasons I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available 
light. The musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept 
having to boost the ISO to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up 
shooting at ISO 20,00. The thing that impresses me the most isn't the 
lack of noise, but the quality of the noise.


With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the 
K-5 even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of 
those paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling? 
Impressionistic?


Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The 
thing that I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic 
range, when there are bright lights in the background, posterization 
abounds. In some cases I get this weird halo effect around the people, I 
suspect that it might have something to do with the out of focus blur 
bringing the bright lights in the background out of clipping and into 
color.


pictures at:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
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paw week 15 skyscraper and cloud

[Christine Aguila]

Some neat clouds today in my part of the world--nice day too--cooler by the 
lake to be sure, but very pleasant!  Cheers, Christine


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Re: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera

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I sold it to pay for a security deposit on housing when I was in 
college--and stopped doing photography.  I could kick myself for that. 
Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
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To: "pdml" 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera


I was in college and had shot 35mm during HS and had also made good use of 
my GIII just before getting the K1000.  So when a popular speaker came to 
the college I got there early and got a front-row set.  Then I sat on the 
floor and shot up at him as he spoke, walked, and gestured.  He got quite 
animated for the cameras.  (Some people really enjoy being photographed.)


Anyway, afterward I noticed that the film rewound too quickly.  And we all 
know what that means.  (Or is that assuming too much these days?  Have 
people forgotten?)


Sincerely,

Collin Brendemuehl
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Re: What next in an SLR?

[Christine Aguila]

1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must.

2) But, here's what I'd like to see:  a stripped down camera.
K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural 
shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes,  white balance features--then add 
improved lowlight autofocus.


Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure 
shooting,  etc.  I think  a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up 
camera or primary camera for that matter.  It would have the quality of the 
K5 but hopefully at a lower cost.  One could use the fancy features on the 
K5 if needed.


Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.  :-)  Cheers, 
Christine




- Original Message - 
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To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: What next in an SLR?



I'm awfully happy with the K-5.  (I was out last night trying to take
flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma
30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't
given up).  Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need,
and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels
as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so
on and so on.

I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out
what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start.

Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the
K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks
deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on.

Once again, what should Pentax be working on?  -T

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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

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On Apr 17, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> Nice set, Larry.

Thanks.

>  I think 5183 has some real potential.  The couple's expressions are great.  
> Maybe a bw conversion would work.  

I had considered that, but liked the blues in the background. However, giving 
it a try was a great excuse to procrastinate getting back to work on my little 
construction project for a few minutes:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5628839771/in/set-72157626511238830

the color version

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5624794029/in/set-72157626511238830


> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:32 PM
> Subject: High ISO noise on the K-5
> 
> 
>> There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various 
>> reasons I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available light. 
>> The musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept having to boost 
>> the ISO to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up shooting at ISO 
>> 20,00. The thing that impresses me the most isn't the lack of noise, but the 
>> quality of the noise.
>> 
>> With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the K-5 
>> even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of those 
>> paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling? Impressionistic?
>> 
>> Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The thing 
>> that I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range, when 
>> there are bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In some 
>> cases I get this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that it 
>> might have something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright 
>> lights in the background out of clipping and into color.
>> 
>> pictures at:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
>> or:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
>> 
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Re: Screwed by the mailman

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The classics are timeless.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Cotty  wrote:
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>
>>I saw a movie with title when I was in college.
>
> Must be the same one I saw last week.
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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

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The quality of the noise at very high ISOs on the K5 is very film like---to 
my eye anyway.  I actually want to do some work at high ISOs converting to 
black and white and keeping the noise/grain.  Just want to see what it might 
yield.  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: High ISO noise on the K-5


Looking again, they have a certain "feel" to them just like old B&W's
did.  At least for now, there is a look to high iso color that is very
emotive.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:

Nice set, Larry. I think 5183 has some real potential. The couple's
expressions are great. Maybe a bw conversion would work. Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: High ISO noise on the K-5



There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various
reasons I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available 
light.
The musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept having to 
boost

the ISO to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up shooting at ISO
20,00. The thing that impresses me the most isn't the lack of noise, but 
the

quality of the noise.

With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad. With the
K-5 even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of 
those
paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling? 
Impressionistic?


Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing. The thing
that I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range, 
when

there are bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In some
cases I get this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that it
might have something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright
lights in the background out of clipping and into color.

pictures at:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
or:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/

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Re: Back Fence Quail

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I like it Jack.  The bird and fence look good.  Like Ken said, though, 
background a bit distracting.  Maybe some cloning?  :-)  Cheers, Christine




- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: PESO: Back Fence Quail


First one of these I've seen perched on anything in our yard. Per my Field 
Guide, it's a California Quail. I might have guessed that.
We have a Finch feeder on a garden-poll just to the right. It's obvious 
we've seen many downloading their thistle seed residue on said fence.



Comments welcome!

Jack

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Re: peso - elkscape

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Sweet!  Cheers, Christine


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http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5628177540/lightbox/

Any kind of critique and comments is welcome.

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Re: PESO: Table Mt. Barn

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Nice color, Jack.  My eye sees a slight tilt to the left.  Very pleasant 
shot.  Cheers, Christine



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Subject: Re: PESO: Table Mt. Barn



Very good Jack. The foreground colour is excellent and the overall
feel is good. Doesn't look tilted to me.

Chris

On 16 April 2011 23:22, Jack Davis  wrote:

Discovered on a drive this PM.

Cliche comments invited.

Jack

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K-5, DA 16-45@45mm, f/13, 1/800, ISO 800, bean bag resting on a strand of 
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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

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Looking again, they have a certain "feel" to them just like old B&W's
did.  At least for now, there is a look to high iso color that is very
emotive.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
> Nice set, Larry.  I think 5183 has some real potential.  The couple's
> expressions are great.  Maybe a bw conversion would work.  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:32 PM
> Subject: High ISO noise on the K-5
>
>
>> There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various
>> reasons I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available light.
>> The musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept having to boost
>> the ISO to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up shooting at ISO
>> 20,00. The thing that impresses me the most isn't the lack of noise, but the
>> quality of the noise.
>>
>> With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the
>> K-5 even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of those
>> paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling? Impressionistic?
>>
>> Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The thing
>> that I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range, when
>> there are bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In some
>> cases I get this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that it
>> might have something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright
>> lights in the background out of clipping and into color.
>>
>> pictures at:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
>> or:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
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Re: peso: Turbulent Waters

[Christine Aguila]

That's pretty cool, Steve.  Very sharp.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: Re: peso: Turbulent Waters


On 11-04-16 7:25 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

As you may have heard, we had some bad storms in Virginia today,
including so local flooding.  Of course, some idiot always brings his
camera.  This one is right over the edge of the bridge, which was
still barely above water.

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1254227545_dFk9Lvf-L-LB


Wow! I wasn't expecting that. The anti-thesis of clichéd. Well done!

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Re: Back Fence Quail

[Paul Stenquist]

Super sharp, well done. 
Paul

On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Thanks for commenting, Ken. I honestly don't know why I posted it except for 
> its being such a surprise to see. We're in a medium small population area 
> ('prox 65,000) and it's not something I expected, especially when I had a 
> camera handy.
> 
> Jack
> 
> --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Ken Waller  wrote:
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>> From: Ken Waller 
>> Subject: Re: Back Fence Quail
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 2:46 PM
>> Very nice capture, just wish the
>> background was a touch less prominent.
>> Inclusion of the fence is a real plus IMO.
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" 
>> Subject: PESO: Back Fence Quail
>> 
>> 
>>> First one of these I've seen perched on anything in
>> our yard. Per my Field Guide, it's a California Quail. I
>> might have guessed that.
>>> We have a Finch feeder on a garden-poll just to the
>> right. It's obvious we've seen many downloading their
>> thistle seed residue on said fence.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Comments welcome!
>>> 
>>> Jack
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=591
>>> 
>>> K-5, DA 55-300@300, 1/500, ISO 3200, hand held.
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Re: Find Dining, the Movie

[Christine Aguila]

That's cute, Paul.  Good quality too!  cheers, Christine


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Subject: Find Dining, the Movie


A short clip of video from the K-5. I saved it as HD in iMovie. Don't know 
what YouTube does to tit when processing. Shot with the DA* 16-50, f8, ISO 
1250


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeHz1rLsTiQ
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Re: Back Fence Quail

[Jack Davis]

Thanks for commenting, Ken. I honestly don't know why I posted it except for 
its being such a surprise to see. We're in a medium small population area 
('prox 65,000) and it's not something I expected, especially when I had a 
camera handy.

Jack

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> From: Ken Waller 
> Subject: Re: Back Fence Quail
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 2:46 PM
> Very nice capture, just wish the
> background was a touch less prominent.
> Inclusion of the fence is a real plus IMO.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" 
> Subject: PESO: Back Fence Quail
> 
> 
> > First one of these I've seen perched on anything in
> our yard. Per my Field Guide, it's a California Quail. I
> might have guessed that.
> > We have a Finch feeder on a garden-poll just to the
> right. It's obvious we've seen many downloading their
> thistle seed residue on said fence.
> > 
> > 
> > Comments welcome!
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=591
> > 
> > K-5, DA 55-300@300, 1/500, ISO 3200, hand held.
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Find Dining, the Movie

[Paul Stenquist]

A short clip of video from the K-5. I saved it as HD in iMovie. Don't know what 
YouTube does to tit when processing. Shot with the DA* 16-50, f8, ISO 1250

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeHz1rLsTiQ
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Re: Creating sun light in studio.

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks for posting, Dave.  Now if I just had just a bit of studio space. 
Cheers, Christine



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Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Creating sun light in studio.



This link was posted on Lightrooms face book site. Thought it was
interesting. Atleast you can see the step by step in the process.
There is a quick smart phone ad at the start.
http://www.learnmyshot.com/How-to-Create-Sunshine-Effect-in-Studio-with-Artificial-Sunlight

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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

[Christine Aguila]

Nice set, Larry.  I think 5183 has some real potential.  The couple's 
expressions are great.  Maybe a bw conversion would work.  Cheers, Christine



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Subject: High ISO noise on the K-5


There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various 
reasons I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available 
light. The musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept having 
to boost the ISO to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up shooting 
at ISO 20,00. The thing that impresses me the most isn't the lack of 
noise, but the quality of the noise.


With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the 
K-5 even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of 
those paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling? 
Impressionistic?


Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The thing 
that I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range, when 
there are bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In some 
cases I get this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that it 
might have something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright 
lights in the background out of clipping and into color.


pictures at:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
or:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/

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Re: PESO - Find Dining

[Paul Stenquist]

Clever frequently eludes me.

On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> I thought it was a clever joke.  That's certainly how I think about
> Mickie D's on the interstate.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Thanks Steve. Should have been "Fine Dining" of course. But it really 
>> doesn't matter, does it?
>> Paul
>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>> 
>>> uhh, and me on a diet.  Charming as always.  When she's in her teens,
>>> you're going to have to trade that DSLR in for shotgun.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>>> wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12974280
 
 K-5, DA* 16-50, ISO 1250
 
 
 
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Re: PESOs- First photos with the K-5

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What Christine said. Superb!
Paul
On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> Beautiful!  That 1st one is a stunner, Bong!  Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bong Manayon" 
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> 
>> Just some photos from my K-5's initiation...
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/5627085006/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/5627085062/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/5627085178/
>> 
>> Performed as expected; the pleasant surprise was how it handled the FA
>> 80-320/4.5-5.6; I have a new DA 55-300 but opted to have James use
>> that on his K-r.  More later...
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Re: PAW67 - at 11

[Christine Aguila]

What Dave said.  Cheers, Christine


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Excellent detail and expression

Dave

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, DagT  wrote:

Sorry, I guess the father instinct won this week...

http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
K-5, DA*50-135mm@135, 1/400s, f/3.5, ISO100


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Re: PESO - Find Dining

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I thought it was a clever joke.  That's certainly how I think about
Mickie D's on the interstate.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Thanks Steve. Should have been "Fine Dining" of course. But it really doesn't 
> matter, does it?
> Paul
> On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>> uhh, and me on a diet.  Charming as always.  When she's in her teens,
>> you're going to have to trade that DSLR in for shotgun.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12974280
>>>
>>> K-5, DA* 16-50, ISO 1250
>>>
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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

[Mark Roberts]

Ken Waller wrote:

>When I lived in Jersey, growing up I could see it from my bedroom window. It 
>took moving to Michigan before I ever went to the Statue.

When I immigrated to the U.S. in 1967 my family came by ship (the
Queen Elizabeth I). I guess that, aside from refugees on rafts and
such, we were part of the last wave of the last generation to do so.
Cunard stopped transatlantic service later than summer.

Anyway, all good immigrants are supposed to view the Statue of Liberty
as they sail into New Your harbor, but as luck would have it we
arrives in the wee hours of the morning and missed it. I've still
never visited it, though I'd rather like to
 
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Re: OT: IMAC's and digital movie files

[Paul Stenquist]

If i coubl click on a Pentax AVI file on either of my Macs, it opens in Quick 
Time. I can then save it as a .mov file, which can be edited in iMovie.
Paul
On Apr 17, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> John,
> 
> Most of the information found on the web using a search on AVI and Mac
> OS X is out of date. Of ten sites I looked at, 9 had not been updated
> since 2004 and one was recent at 2008.
> 
> iMovie '11 and Final Cut Express version 4 both import most AVI files
> without any problems now. I think the issue Walter had was an old
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