PESO 2011 - self-portrait - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

New A12 Camera Mount for the Ricoh GXR arrived and, of course, I'm busy as all 
heck right now. 

I had some time, just a little, to play with it this evening. I did a 40 second 
HD video with the Nokton 40 ... results are superb. 

And I made a self-portrait: 

  http://homepage.mac.com/godders/110920-0012753.jpg
  Ricoh GXR+A12 Camera Mount+Nokton 40mm f/1.4
  ISO 2500 @ f/2 @ 1/40 second

This lens has lovely character in its rendering. 

enjoy
Godfrey

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Re: My backyard is humbling me

[Larry Colen]

On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:57 PM, steve harley wrote:

> on 2011-09-20 23:21 Larry Colen wrote
>> As you might guess, when I was taking a break this afternoon, I noticed how 
>> the angle of the light brought out the texture of the bark on one of the 
>> trees, inspiring me to grab the camera, and give another try. I think that 
>> this shot does a fair job of showing the texture of the bark, even if it 
>> fails to give any idea of scale:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6168039027/in/set-72157627594004271/lightbox/
>> 
>> This shot, which has trees  in both the foreground and the background, might 
>> be starting to give some idea of scale:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6168577810/lightbox/
>> 
>> Does anyone have suggestions for what I might do?
> 
> these images are interesting, but it's your words that add the context and 
> start to convey the scale; both shots are fairly abstract if i don't imagine 
> the context
> 
> having seen your other work, i can't help imagining photos of dancers among 
> the trees -- could you capture people leaping into the air in a way that 
> shows how puny is their striving below these trees?

Interesting concept.  I have photographed people in my redwood grove, but never 
in an attempt to give scale to the trees.  I'll have to think of some photos 
with the trees as subjects and people as props, rather than the other way 
around.
> 
> i also wonder if you've seen James Balog's work depicting big trees by 
> assembling multiple images taken while ascending, or otherwise; i met him 
> when he'd just come out with _Survivors_, his series of animals on white 
> backgrounds (we used several of his photos in a magazine i produced), and i 
> have since been intrigued by each of what i think of as his experiments in 
> context (though, as experiments, they often are better at breaking ground 
> than at being aesthetic masterpieces)
> 
> just a taste here, but interesting text:
> 
> 

No, I haven't seen his work. Thanks for the link.  I'm afraid that his 
technique is probably a bit beyond my meagre abilities, at least when it comes 
to climbing trees, not to mention stitching photos.  But, if there were a way 
to photograph down, rather than up, that could do wonders for placing them in 
scale.

I wonder if I could photograph them from the roof of the neighbor's house?

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Re: My backyard is humbling me

[steve harley]

on 2011-09-20 23:21 Larry Colen wrote

As you might guess, when I was taking a break this afternoon, I noticed how the 
angle of the light brought out the texture of the bark on one of the trees, 
inspiring me to grab the camera, and give another try. I think that this shot 
does a fair job of showing the texture of the bark, even if it fails to give 
any idea of scale:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6168039027/in/set-72157627594004271/lightbox/

This shot, which has trees  in both the foreground and the background, might be 
starting to give some idea of scale:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6168577810/lightbox/

Does anyone have suggestions for what I might do?


these images are interesting, but it's your words that add the context and 
start to convey the scale; both shots are fairly abstract if i don't imagine 
the context


having seen your other work, i can't help imagining photos of dancers among the 
trees -- could you capture people leaping into the air in a way that shows how 
puny is their striving below these trees?


i also wonder if you've seen James Balog's work depicting big trees by 
assembling multiple images taken while ascending, or otherwise; i met him when 
he'd just come out with _Survivors_, his series of animals on white backgrounds 
(we used several of his photos in a magazine i produced), and i have since been 
intrigued by each of what i think of as his experiments in context (though, as 
experiments, they often are better at breaking ground than at being aesthetic 
masterpieces)


just a taste here, but interesting text:



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My backyard is humbling me

[Larry Colen]

A few of you have been to my house, and have seen my redwood grove.  Even 
though they are young and small for redwoods, at about 100' tall and 4' in 
diameter, they're still pretty big by human standards.  I recently picked up a 
work from home programming contract, and when I need to clear my mind, I tend 
to walk out into the back yard.  It's interesting how such a simple change in 
pace can give me a newfound appreciation of the trees.

Even at my most jaded, simply wandering out into the redwood grove, and looking 
up, has always been a good reminder of my place in the universe. For many 
years, I've occasionally tried to take pictures of the redwood grove and always 
completely fail to convey the emotional impact. If my camera is aimed anything 
close to horizontal, all you see is a bunch of tree trunks, with no context of 
how little of tree that you are seeing.  Aim the camera up, and/or try to 
photograph from a distance, detail is lost and everything seems to blend 
together. In addition to that, there is also the challenge of shooting 
something in fairly deep shade against patchy views of bright sky.

Have any of you succeeded in showing the scale of something this size? either a 
tree, or even a building.  Is it even possible on the scale of a computer 
monitor, or even a print that is less than three feet on it's longest edge?

As you might guess, when I was taking a break this afternoon, I noticed how the 
angle of the light brought out the texture of the bark on one of the trees, 
inspiring me to grab the camera, and give another try. I think that this shot 
does a fair job of showing the texture of the bark, even if it fails to give 
any idea of scale:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6168039027/in/set-72157627594004271/lightbox/

This shot, which has trees  in both the foreground and the background, might be 
starting to give some idea of scale:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6168577810/lightbox/

Does anyone have suggestions for what I might do?

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Re: PESO: Indignity

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Yes, indeed it is.

Dan
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:36 PM, wendy beard  wrote:
> Indignity?
> Nah - THIS is indignity!
> http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/138022017
>
> :-)
>
> Wendy
> (poor Bandit :-) )
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
>  wrote:
>> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=132
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>> Comments are always appreciated.
>>
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Re: PESO: Indignity

[wendy beard]

Indignity?
Nah - THIS is indignity!
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/138022017

:-)

Wendy
(poor Bandit :-) )

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Re: OT But is it art?

[Jack Davis]

Apparently to some the butt is art.

Jack
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What a bum!

On 11-09-20 8:35 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> Cheeky bastard.
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Bob W wrote:
>>
>>
>>> while we're on the subject of critics and assholes, you might enjoy the
>>> following from critic and art-lover Kenneth Tynan: "The buttocks are the
>>> most aesthetically pleasing part of the body because they are
>>> non-functional. Although they conceal an essential orifice, these pointless
>>> globes are as near as the human form can ever come to abstract art."
>> Now there's a critic who knows his shit.
>> Paul
>>
>>> B


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Re: OT But is it art?

[John Francis]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:09:47PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
> 
> while we're on the subject of critics and assholes, you might enjoy the
> following from critic and art-lover Kenneth Tynan: "The buttocks are the
> most aesthetically pleasing part of the body because they are
> non-functional. Although they conceal an essential orifice, these pointless
> globes are as near as the human form can ever come to abstract art."
> 

Much the same could be said of boobies ...


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Re: OT But is it art?

[Bruce Walker]

What a bum!

On 11-09-20 8:35 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Cheeky bastard.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Bob W wrote:



while we're on the subject of critics and assholes, you might enjoy the
following from critic and art-lover Kenneth Tynan: "The buttocks are the
most aesthetically pleasing part of the body because they are
non-functional. Although they conceal an essential orifice, these pointless
globes are as near as the human form can ever come to abstract art."

Now there's a critic who knows his shit.
Paul


B



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Re: OT But is it art?

[Steven Desjardins]

Cheeky bastard.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Bob W wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>>> William Robb
>>> Sent: 20 September 2011 22:58
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: OT But is it art?
>>>
>>> On 20/09/2011 1:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

>>>

 You're the list dickweed? I thought I was the list dickweed and you
>>> were
 the list asshole. Now I'm confused.


>>> We don't actually have an official list asshole at the moment.
>>> I transferred to the Dickweed department a while back, and left the
>>> position open.
>>> If you think you are qualified for the job, I suppose you could have
>>> it,
>>> I haven't seen all that many people vying for it..
>>> I didn't think it paid well, but there was, sometimes, a certain amount
>>> of satisfaction.
>>>
>>
>> while we're on the subject of critics and assholes, you might enjoy the
>> following from critic and art-lover Kenneth Tynan: "The buttocks are the
>> most aesthetically pleasing part of the body because they are
>> non-functional. Although they conceal an essential orifice, these pointless
>> globes are as near as the human form can ever come to abstract art."
>
> Now there's a critic who knows his shit.
> Paul
>
>>
>> B
>>
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Re: PDMLers... talk me in off the ledge, pls!

[Paul Stenquist]

On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:23 PM, William Robb wrote:

> On 20/09/2011 3:06 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>> 
> 
>> 
>> Thanks.  A little girl talk always helps!
>> 
>> 
> I feel dirty now.
> 
With good reason. If the PDML engages in little girl talk, we could all end up 
in hot water.

Paul


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Re: PDMLers... talk me in off the ledge, pls!

[William Robb]

On 20/09/2011 3:06 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:






Thanks.  A little girl talk always helps!



I feel dirty now.

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Re: OT But is it art?

[Paul Stenquist]

On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Bob W wrote:

> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> William Robb
>> Sent: 20 September 2011 22:58
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>> 
>> On 20/09/2011 1:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> You're the list dickweed? I thought I was the list dickweed and you
>> were
>>> the list asshole. Now I'm confused.
>>> 
>>> 
>> We don't actually have an official list asshole at the moment.
>> I transferred to the Dickweed department a while back, and left the
>> position open.
>> If you think you are qualified for the job, I suppose you could have
>> it,
>> I haven't seen all that many people vying for it..
>> I didn't think it paid well, but there was, sometimes, a certain amount
>> of satisfaction.
>> 
> 
> while we're on the subject of critics and assholes, you might enjoy the
> following from critic and art-lover Kenneth Tynan: "The buttocks are the
> most aesthetically pleasing part of the body because they are
> non-functional. Although they conceal an essential orifice, these pointless
> globes are as near as the human form can ever come to abstract art."

Now there's a critic who knows his shit.
Paul

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RE: OT But is it art?

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
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> William Robb
> Sent: 20 September 2011 22:58
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> 
> On 20/09/2011 1:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >
> 
> >
> > You're the list dickweed? I thought I was the list dickweed and you
> were
> > the list asshole. Now I'm confused.
> >
> >
> We don't actually have an official list asshole at the moment.
> I transferred to the Dickweed department a while back, and left the
> position open.
> If you think you are qualified for the job, I suppose you could have
> it,
> I haven't seen all that many people vying for it..
> I didn't think it paid well, but there was, sometimes, a certain amount
> of satisfaction.
> 

while we're on the subject of critics and assholes, you might enjoy the
following from critic and art-lover Kenneth Tynan: "The buttocks are the
most aesthetically pleasing part of the body because they are
non-functional. Although they conceal an essential orifice, these pointless
globes are as near as the human form can ever come to abstract art."

B


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Re: OT But is it art?

[William Robb]

On 20/09/2011 1:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


I wonder how much of Adams' work is underappreciated by not seeing the
original prints,


I saw an original (signed by St. Ansel himself) print of Moonrise over 
Hernandez in a gallery in Santa Fe. I was struck by the depth and sheer 
richness of the tonality of the print.
I also noted that the crosses in the graveyard were just a smidge out of 
focus


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Re: OT But is it art?

[William Robb]

On 20/09/2011 1:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote:






You're the list dickweed? I thought I was the list dickweed and you were
the list asshole. Now I'm confused.



We don't actually have an official list asshole at the moment.
I transferred to the Dickweed department a while back, and left the 
position open.
If you think you are qualified for the job, I suppose you could have it, 
I haven't seen all that many people vying for it..
I didn't think it paid well, but there was, sometimes, a certain amount 
of satisfaction.


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Re: PDMLers... talk me in off the ledge, pls!

[Christine Nielsen]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Girlfriend, get the K5!!!   I'm working towards getting a 2nd one for back-up.
>
> 1) The other day I was shooting long with the K-7 & wide with the K-5 for 
> action stuff, and I couldn't believe the difference.  Auto focus on the K-5 
> is way better.  I didn't really notice the difference before for general 
> photography, but with the action stuff I did.  I was surprised.  I didn't 
> think there was that much difference, but there is.
>
> 2) The high ISO, to my mind is important because it allows to you to go light 
> with camera gear--don't have to lug a flash around, which keeps you nicely 
> mobile and doesn't strain the back.   Also, I do a lot of indoor family snap 
> shots.  I used to bring the flash along, but with the K-5, it's not as 
> necessary.  This past Saturday night I met up with some old high school 
> friends at a dark pizza place.  After dinner everyone wanted to do a group 
> shot, so folks got out their point'n shoots and turned their flashes on and 
> shot until we were blinded and seeing yellow spots.  I shot last--at ISO 5000 
> with the 40mm pancake.  Shot came out great--just a tiny hint of noise, which 
> went away using noise  reduction in Lightroom 3.  Everyone loves the shot.

Girrrlfriend... yer killin' me! Gonna have to seriously slash my
latte/mani/shoe/handbag/pinot grigio budget to make it work, though...

>
> 3)  I love how the K-5 fits in my hands.  I don't have a battery grip.  At 
> one point I thought that I would get one, but I haven't really felt the need. 
>  I'm so happy with the size.  I think the K20D is a great camera, but it's so 
> much heavier.

I know.  Same with the k-7.  I don't know why other dslrs have to be
so big.  They're huge.  It's like holding a dinner plate up to your
face to take a picture.  Only, it weighs as much as a pot roast...

>
> 4) I love, love, love my Pentax lenses; I'd buy more if I could afford too, 
> but it's not urgent.  I've got nice range coverage with the ones I have.

MMM-mmm-mm!  They *are* dreamy.
>

> 5) It's gonna be ok.

Thanks.  A little girl talk always helps!

:D
-c


Cheers, Christine/Chicago
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>
>> So... I've been thinking more & more about stepping up to the k-5
>> recently.  In the interests of research, I wandered over to Pentax
>> Forums, just to see if there was any buzz, any good gossip, that might
>> influence my decision, or at least, timing.
>>
>> Well, I think that was a mistake.
>>
>> Down the rabbit-hole I went, for more precious weekend hours than I
>> care to admit.  I got totally sucked in to the hand-wringing &
>> rumor-mongering & back and forthing over k-5 "issues".  And what about
>> the the k-5 vs d7000 vs d700?  Will there ever be a ff pentax
>> offering?  Will it be mirrorless?  What will ricoh do?  Is there a
>> roadmap?  New products this fall?  Maybe in Feb, then?  How about fall
>> 2012?  Should we wait?  Should we buy?  Should we sell it all & move
>> to nikon?  Can I get Hello Kitty on my next camera
>>
>> I know this is nothing new, but it's really the first time I ever
>> waded in this far.  I think I may have PFOD'd.  And now, I can't get
>> rid of the anxiety. Tell me it's gonna be ok...
>>
>> :)
>> -c
>> (Thanks for listening.)
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Scanning again!

[Mark Roberts]

I finally got my Minolta Scan Multi II operational again. What a slog,
though...

It's a SCSI scanner so I got a SCSI card with 64-bit driver support
for my computer. But I couldn't get the card to recognize the scanner
no matter what I did. Card problem? Scanner problem? Who knows... So I
tried my old Ratoc SCSI-to-IEEE1394 adapter. No go - it doesn't like
the 64-bit OS. New drivers? Ratoc wanted 20 bucks. OK, I gave it a go
for 20 bucks. Still no joy and I find that even the new drivers won't
work on a 64-bit OS. Ah, but my laptop is running a 32-bit OS! But it
doesn't have a FireWire connector! I found my old IEEE1394 card... but
it's CardBus type and my current laptop has only the newer ExpressCard
type slot.

Well, today my new ExpressCard IEEE1394 card arrived and, much to my
surprise, it all works: The computer works with the card; the card
works with theIEEE1394-SCSI adapter; the adapter recognizes the
scanner; the OS accepts the whole lot!

Now I can scan in the MF slides I've had in storage for about a year
(and also batch-scan some slides I need to re-do). Life is good!
 
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Re: GESO - Band on the Run

[John Francis]

The telling day for that thought was June 18th 2006 ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3chFhCP5mQ


(Good photos, BTW, Tom!)


On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 03:17:44PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Paul, That's kinda what I was thinking...
> 
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
> > Well done. God, he's old!
> >
> > Paul
> > On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Tom C wrote:
> >
> >> http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=539118
> >>
> >> By you know who.
> >>
> >> Tom C.

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RE: OT But is it art?

[Bob W]

> 
> I have an acquaintance who fancies himself a movie director though
> he's never sold anything commercially. I've found I've stopped
> discussing movies I like because I watch a movie to be entertained. He
> watches a movie to critique it, and that takes all the fun out of it.
> 
> Tom C.

That may be because of his approach rather than criticism in general.

Since starting my French cinema class last year I've found that I enjoy all
films far more than I ever did before because I watch them with a critical
eye rather than 'just' to be entertained - it adds a new dimension to my
enjoyment. 

Some of the films we've watched can be quite hard work, but the analysis and
criticism itself is enjoyable, and we learn a lot so that we can appreciate
the films even if we don't enjoy them.

My approach generally is to make notes and come to my own conclusions about
them, write my essay, then read what other critics have to say, and listen
carefully to our prof when she gives her analysis. This is always very
enriching.

The same approach works for pretty much anything - photography, paintings,
theatre, literature, whatever. That's the true function of critics.

B


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Re: GESO - Band on the Run

[Bob Sullivan]

Paul, That's kinda what I was thinking...

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Well done. God, he's old!
>
> Paul
> On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Tom C wrote:
>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=539118
>>
>> By you know who.
>>
>> Tom C.
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Re: GESO - Band on the Run

[Paul Stenquist]

Well done. God, he's old!

Paul
On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Tom C wrote:

> http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=539118
> 
> By you know who.
> 
> Tom C.
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RE: OT But is it art?

[Bob W]

> I wonder how much of Adams' work is underappreciated by not seeing the
> original prints, but only seeing it on posters on office walls, or
> perhaps on the web.  Kind of like watching Star Wars via VHS on a 12"
> CRT TV in 2000, versus watching it in the theater in July 1977.
> 
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I've seen his work in original prints, and I think he's over-rated. That
doesn't mean I think he's bad or that I don't like his stuff, it means I
think he's over-rated.

I note that few people have seen originals of Leonardo da Vinci, Botticelli,
Rembrandt, Vermeer, Turner, Picasso, Monet, Hopper, Cartier-Bresson, or the
exotic woman draped over the branch of a tree, but they don't seem to be
underappreciated. 

It seems like special pleading when people say you have to see the originals
of Adams' work, especially when his estate exerts such tight control over
the quality of the printing in his books and posters. I have some of his
books, and they are excellently printed. It suggests to me that the
technical qualities are seen as more important than the 'art', and that may
be why he doesn't receive the attention from the art establisment that some
people think he deserves.

B


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Re: OT But is it art?

[Tom C]

Bob W wrote, in repsonse to Darren Addy:

>> I am suggesting that I personally value Accomplishment, no matter how
>> small, over Criticism (no matter how highly-regarded).
>>
>> The function of critics is to provide an opinion for those with an
>> insufficient mental capacity to form one of their own.
>
>> "Like all other
>> perennial human activities, criticism exists because it gives pleasure
>> to those who perform it."
>>
>> Darren Addy
>> Kearney, Nebraska
>>
>
> that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
> Congratulations.
>

I guess I'm arrogant too then. :-)

It's one thing to view something with a critical eye as in one
definitition of the word critical - "characterized by careful analysis
and judgment".

Too often the words of critics more often resemble this definition -
"tending to find fault; censorious".

I do believe that in the world of what I would call 'professional
critique', many critics do so as a mechanism to boost their own egos
by devaluing the work of others (and make money by expressing an
opinion that generates a reaction). And many people turn to them for
opinion because they're either unable or unwilling to expend the
effort to exercise 'careful analysis and judgement' of their own, or
feel unqualified.

I have an acquaintance who fancies himself a movie director though
he's never sold anything commercially. I've found I've stopped
discussing movies I like because I watch a movie to be entertained. He
watches a movie to critique it, and that takes all the fun out of it.

Tom C.

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Re: OT But is it art?

[Charles Robinson]

On Sep 20, 2011, at 13:56, Tom C wrote:
> 
> Nice quote and I'll agree to that last statement. :-) Budweiser still
> goes better with pizza than anything non-beer.
> 

Cheap white wine from a box - with ice cubes - works for me!  I have no class.

 -Charles

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Re: OT But is it art?

[Larry Colen]

On 9/20/2011 12:05 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:



Kenneth Brower does an admirable and thorough job of fending off all 
of Adam's critics, including an accidental critic: John Szarkowski ...


http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/07/brower.htm



I wonder how much of Adams' work is underappreciated by not seeing the 
original prints, but only seeing it on posters on office walls, or 
perhaps on the web.  Kind of like watching Star Wars via VHS on a 12" 
CRT TV in 2000, versus watching it in the theater in July 1977.


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Re: PESO - Yellow Guy

[Ken Waller]

A female American Goldfinch.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" 

Subject: Re: PESO - Yellow Guy


Frank,
He/she is a young goldfinch.
It takes 'em a while for their colors to come in.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:13 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:

Not a great photo, I just wanted an ID on this guy. He was hanging
around with the goldfinches several weeks ago (before they left) but
he doesn't look like a goldfinch, just a wannabe.

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/yellow-guy.html

Any ideas?

Thanks!

cheers,
frank



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Re: On All Pentax Imaging Web Properties

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Igor Roshchin" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:40 AM
Subject: On All Pentax Imaging Web Properties




Hi All:

I received this message from the Pentax Gallery website people.
I suspect that many of you received a similar message.

I noticed the sentence:
"However, if you prefer
not to display your images on all PENTAX Imaging web properties, please
contact us by October 3 at opt...@pentax.com and we will disable your
account."

".. on all PENTAX Imaging web properties"?
What does it mean? Somebody at Pentax doesn't know how to write, or do
they mean that now they can use your images beyond the Pentax Gallery?

I am not paranoid, but just curious.


Just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get 
you.< ; + )




Igor


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Subject: New PENTAX Photo Gallery. Coming October 24th.


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If you already have an account on the current PENTAX Photo Gallery, it 
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We are very excited about the improvements to the PENTAX Imaging web sites
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Re: OT But is it art?

[Larry Colen]

On 9/20/2011 11:52 AM, William Robb wrote:

On 20/09/2011 12:35 PM, Bob W wrote:






that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.

Dammit Bob, does this mean I have to revert back to being the list 
dickweed?


You're the list dickweed? I thought I was the list dickweed and you were 
the list asshole.  Now I'm confused.



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Re: OT But is it art?

[Larry Colen]

On 9/20/2011 11:56 AM, Tom C wrote:


Nice quote and I'll agree to that last statement. :-) Budweiser still
goes better with pizza than anything non-beer.


I'll keep that in mind.  I've never enjoyed it with anything else 
non-beer.  Generally, when I've had it I've been sadder budweiser.


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Re: OT But is it art?

[Larry Colen]

On 9/20/2011 11:35 AM, Bob W wrote:

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Darren Addy

I think you've misunderstood the function of critics. Are you

suggesting

that noone should criticise something unless they have personally

done

better? That would be absurd.

I am suggesting that I personally value Accomplishment, no matter how
small, over Criticism (no matter how highly-regarded).

The function of critics is to provide an opinion for those with an
insufficient mental capacity to form one of their own.

that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
Congratulations.



While both of those statements are markworthy, neither is entirely 
correct.  Since I'm too cheap to pay for cable, I don't get any TV 
reception at my house, so I have very little idea what movies are 
playing, or worth watching.  I find that the movie critics in the local 
entertainment magazines very helpful.  For example if Lisa Jensen rates 
a move three stars (out of four) and then complains about excessive 
pyrotechnics, or some other way in which it is politically correct, I'll 
probably enjoy it.  One or two stars with the same commentary,  I won't. 
Four stars and extolling it's artistic virtues, or political 
correctness, and I won't particularly enjoy it, though my girlfriend might.


These movie critics help me optimize my spending, on movies that I'll 
enjoy.  I suspect that if I were considering plopping down $100, or even 
$K5 on a pair of concert tickets, I'd particularly want some idea 
whether I'd enjoy the show.


And, lets face it, every time one of us comments on another's photo, 
we're being critics.  Note, however, in the case of the stairway to 
nowhere, each version appealed to different people for different 
reasons. Frankly, I don't really care whether what Adams did was art, 
craftsmanship, or obsessive technical masturbation, I'd rather see some 
beautiful, soulless craftsmanship than a steaming ugly pile of art.


I think that it's all too easy for people to forget the significance, 60 
or 70 years later, of things that at the time were state of the art, 
whether it's an Adams print or a Jimi Hendrix guitar solo.  It's quite 
possible that Mark could take his big Sony, drive out to glacier point 
and take photos where the prints rival the technical quality of pictures 
that Adams took 65 years ago, lugging 50 pounds of gear down a dirt 
path, and then hand processing the film and prints in the darkroom.  If 
I nail the exposure of a photo, that's usually because I bracket the 
hell out of it, and chimp the histogram. Adams would do so in one 
exposure, metering the various portions of the scene and then adjusting 
the processing of the film.  I barely understand the zone system, he 
bloody well invented it.


Similarly, just because I can plug 9.8 into 1/2At^2, and calculate how 
far a rock will fall in t seconds, that doesn't make me Isaac Freakin' 
Newton.




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Re: OT But is it art?

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-09-20 2:11 PM, Bob W wrote:

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Paul Stenquist

I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And while he
admits to an Adams renaissance, t's clear that he doesn't understand
the artistry of Adams' work and how he was able to bend light in the
darkroom to idealize a scene. He seems dismissive of the zone system, a
a way of working that redefined photographic excellence. The writer
continues to demonstrate his lack of photographic knowledge in
asserting that an f64 aperture results in both optimum depth of field
and clarity. Depth of field, yes. Clarity, no.

Art takes many forms, and the elitists of every generation are always
anxious to dismiss the heroes of a previous era. But Adams, like his
literary siblings, Whitman and Thoreau,  will still be revered when
some of the pretentious crap that now passes for artful photography has
long been forgotten.


I think you're misreading the article. I think Bruce is right about it being
a fashion thing, but I think his characterisation of the critics of AA is a
strawman, not what they actually claim.


Well, perhaps not words as strong as kitsch, but there's this remark 
from no less than HCB himself:


William Turnage: Well, he and Edward Weston ...were both criticized 
because they weren't photographing the social crisis of the 1930s, and 
Cartier-Bresson said that, "The world is going to pieces and Adams and 
Weston are photographing rocks and trees"


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ansel/filmmore/pt.html


[Vicki Goldberg] "In the 1960s, art lost faith in beauty too, preferring 
Campbell's soup cans and rows of bricks to sunsets," Goldberg writes. 
"At the same time, people were becoming aware that the land Adams found 
so achingly beautiful scarcely existed outside his photographs any 
longer." She repeats this notion later on: "In fact, a good part of the 
wilderness that is left exists mainly in Ansel Adams's photographs, 
which is what most people see anyway—landscapes not of earth but of 
emulsion."


Kenneth Brower does an admirable and thorough job of fending off all of 
Adam's critics, including an accidental critic: John Szarkowski ...


http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/07/brower.htm




I read the article as pointing out the mainstream thinking among the
chattering classes about Adams, then going on to give a different
perspective by placing him squarely in the American tradition of sublime
landscape painting and writing.

As for Darren's comment in a different reply about critics, this is exactly
their function - to explain the works, suggest where they belong in whatever
tradition, and then perhaps to give a personal comment about the work, one
that's informed by a broad knowledge about the subject.

Seemed like a fairly reasonable article to me, given that it was just a
review for a newspaper. The thing about f/64 isn't important - it's not a
technical article for photographers.

B


Paul
On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Talk about Ansel Adams (see "A door to nowhere" thread) had me

searching for something about a repeated criticism of Ansel Adams that
I've run across: that he's the Normal Rockwell of photogs; that his
output is kitsch rather than art; that his belief in beauty above all
rather then social relevance, left him on the bottom rung of fine arts.

So I located this excellent essay:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/ansel-adams-but-is-

it-art-749574.html

Criticism of AA seems to boil down to a fashion thing. It seems to be

safe to like Adams again. :)

-bmw



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RE: OT But is it art?

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> William Robb
> >
> > that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
> >
> Dammit Bob, does this mean I have to revert back to being the list
> dickweed?
> 

you're gonna need to pick up the pace a bit, I think

B


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GESO - Band on the Run

[Tom C]

http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=539118

By you know who.

Tom C.

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Re: OT But is it art?

[Tom C]

Darren Addy wrote:

> I'm sure I would enjoy seeing the photo galleries of any Ansel Adams critic.
>
> "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the
> strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them
> better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
> whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives
> valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is
> not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually
> strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great
> devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows
> in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he
> fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall
> never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor
> defeat."                                              - Theodore
> Roosevelt
>
> There are those who think that anyone/thing which attains "popular"
> acclaim must be crap. This is sometimes true (Budweiser) and sometimes
> not (songs written by McCartney/Lennon).
>
>
> Darren Addy
> Kearney, Nebraska
>

Nice quote and I'll agree to that last statement. :-) Budweiser still
goes better with pizza than anything non-beer.

Tom C.

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Re: A door to nowhere

[William Robb]

On 20/09/2011 9:43 AM, Tom C wrote:


LOL. I like you, is that redeeming enough? :-)




Fine. We can still be friends.



Tom C. (ALL my work is derivative)

What utter bullshit. Your work is some of the most original and non 
derivative work I've seen.


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Re: OT But is it art?

[William Robb]

On 20/09/2011 12:35 PM, Bob W wrote:






that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.


Dammit Bob, does this mean I have to revert back to being the list dickweed?

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Re: OT But is it art?

[Darren Addy]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Bob W  wrote:

>> The function of critics is to provide an opinion for those with an
>> insufficient mental capacity to form one of their own.
>
> that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
> Congratulations.

But you can't be SURE until you read a critic that says so.
: )

Darren Addy
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RE: OT But is it art?

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Darren Addy
> > I think you've misunderstood the function of critics. Are you
> suggesting
> > that noone should criticise something unless they have personally
> done
> > better? That would be absurd.
> 
> I am suggesting that I personally value Accomplishment, no matter how
> small, over Criticism (no matter how highly-regarded).
> 
> The function of critics is to provide an opinion for those with an
> insufficient mental capacity to form one of their own. 

that's probably the most arrogant thing I've ever read on the PDML.
Congratulations.



> "Like all other
> perennial human activities, criticism exists because it gives pleasure
> to those who perform it."
> 
> Darren Addy
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Re: OT But is it art?

[Darren Addy]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> I think you've misunderstood the function of critics. Are you suggesting
> that noone should criticise something unless they have personally done
> better? That would be absurd.

I am suggesting that I personally value Accomplishment, no matter how
small, over Criticism (no matter how highly-regarded).

The function of critics is to provide an opinion for those with an
insufficient mental capacity to form one of their own. "Like all other
perennial human activities, criticism exists because it gives pleasure
to those who perform it."

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RE: OT But is it art?

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Darren Addy
> 
> I'm sure I would enjoy seeing the photo galleries of any Ansel Adams
> critic.
> 

I think you've misunderstood the function of critics. Are you suggesting
that noone should criticise something unless they have personally done
better? That would be absurd.

[...]
> 
> There are those who think that anyone/thing which attains "popular"
> acclaim must be crap. This is sometimes true (Budweiser) and sometimes
> not (songs written by McCartney/Lennon).

And there are those who think that anything popular must be good, and
anything difficult must be pretentious and elitist.

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RE: OT But is it art?

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> 
> I find the essayist's snoopy metaphor silly and demeaning. And while he
> admits to an Adams renaissance, t's clear that he doesn't understand
> the artistry of Adams' work and how he was able to bend light in the
> darkroom to idealize a scene. He seems dismissive of the zone system, a
> a way of working that redefined photographic excellence. The writer
> continues to demonstrate his lack of photographic knowledge in
> asserting that an f64 aperture results in both optimum depth of field
> and clarity. Depth of field, yes. Clarity, no.
> 
> Art takes many forms, and the elitists of every generation are always
> anxious to dismiss the heroes of a previous era. But Adams, like his
> literary siblings, Whitman and Thoreau,  will still be revered when
> some of the pretentious crap that now passes for artful photography has
> long been forgotten.
> 

I think you're misreading the article. I think Bruce is right about it being
a fashion thing, but I think his characterisation of the critics of AA is a
strawman, not what they actually claim. 

I read the article as pointing out the mainstream thinking among the
chattering classes about Adams, then going on to give a different
perspective by placing him squarely in the American tradition of sublime
landscape painting and writing. 

As for Darren's comment in a different reply about critics, this is exactly
their function - to explain the works, suggest where they belong in whatever
tradition, and then perhaps to give a personal comment about the work, one
that's informed by a broad knowledge about the subject.

Seemed like a fairly reasonable article to me, given that it was just a
review for a newspaper. The thing about f/64 isn't important - it's not a
technical article for photographers.

B

> Paul
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> 
> > Talk about Ansel Adams (see "A door to nowhere" thread) had me
> searching for something about a repeated criticism of Ansel Adams that
> I've run across: that he's the Normal Rockwell of photogs; that his
> output is kitsch rather than art; that his belief in beauty above all
> rather then social relevance, left him on the bottom rung of fine arts.
> >
> > So I located this excellent essay:
> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/ansel-adams-but-is-
> it-art-749574.html
> >
> > Criticism of AA seems to boil down to a fashion thing. It seems to be
> safe to like Adams again. :)
> >
> > -bmw
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Re: A door to nowhere

[Bob Sullivan]

I Coulda, woulda, shoulda is always trumped by I DID.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
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Re: A door to nowhere

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The distance between "I could have done" something and "I have done"
something (particularly done it First) is vast indeed.

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Re: A door to nowhere

[John Sessoms]

From: Tom C

William Robb wrote:

Not liking Ansel Adams certainly strains a friendship, but I'll grant
you are still a more or less worthwhile human being until you say
something to redeem yourself.
The monochrome needs to be cropped to more or less square, and then it
works.

,mark.
One cannot try to see the same way with B&W as one does with colour and
expect to get good black and white.


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LOL. I like you, is that redeeming enough?

I like Ansel Adams, I'm just not in love with his *body* of work as
many seem to be. I was listening to a children' poetry story on the
way to work. The poetry was entertaining and quite simple really. It
made me think 'I could have written that'. That led me to think back
to this discussion and think that many of the acknowledged 'great'
artists achieved that stature because they happened to be noticed,
have the the right connections, or they were at the right spot in the
timeline to receive recognition. I would venture to say there's many
many unknown photographers that made, and are making, Adams-like
prints (not even in imitation of) that I'd like as much or better than
Adams, and they likely only receive(d) the acclamation of friends,
family, or simply the self-satisfaction of enjoying one's own work.

I hope this doesn't sound like sour grapes or a taking away from
Adams. I openly acknowledge that he had a skill that has been measured
as greatness and it isn't just ALL mere happenstance that one is
recognized. Effort IS involved. Somehow, at least in my present mood,
I think the attention and adulation heaped on a few, tends to eclipse
the work done by many that are at least equal (not saying I am).

Didn't attend to write this much.


The value of Ansel Adams work is that he was a pioneer. Yes, I could 
have written that poem; I could have taken those photographs. Because I 
was inspired by the pioneers who actually did it. Still trying to find 
my own niche; my own style where I can lead the way.


It's the old cliche' We stand so tall because we're standing on the 
shoulders of Giants.


I like Ansel Adams color work a lot more because he was so dissatisfied 
with it himself. Helps me with my own self doubt to know that the master 
had them too.


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Re: PESO - Yellow Guy

[John Sessoms]

From: frank theriault


Not a great photo, I just wanted an ID on this guy.  He was hanging
around with the goldfinches several weeks ago (before they left) but
he doesn't look like a goldfinch, just a wannabe.

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/yellow-guy.html

Any ideas?


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Re: On All Pentax Imaging Web Properties

[John Sessoms]

From: "Brian Walters"

On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:40 AM, "Igor Roshchin"
 wrote:

Hi All:

I received this message from the Pentax Gallery website people.
I suspect that many of you received a similar message.

I noticed the sentence:
"However, if you prefer
not to display your images on all PENTAX Imaging web properties, please
contact us by October 3 at opt...@pentax.com and we will disable your
account."

".. on all PENTAX Imaging web properties"?
What does it mean? Somebody at Pentax doesn't know how to write, or do
they mean that now they can use your images beyond the Pentax Gallery?

I am not paranoid, but just curious.



I assumed that if you don't want to participate in the Pentax Gallery
any more or if you don't want to have your photos on "our mobile site",
they won't transfer your photos and data to the new site(s) if you
notify them by Oct 3.

I'm not sure what "our mobile site" refers to, though.



Optimized for smart phones perhaps?

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Re: Did It! K-5 On The Way

[John Sessoms]

Right. Your new camera is weather sealed, so it doesn't matter if *YOU* 
get soaked and catch your death from cold.


I hope it doesn't rain either Mark.

From: Jack Davis

Just read this and am likely not the first one to comment about this, but them 
K5 is grommeted and sealed against moisture and dust. So, you needn't worry 
about the rain.

Jack

- Original Message -
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Subject: Did It! K-5 On The Way

Paul's comments on the non-incremental improvement of the K-5 over the K-7 gave me 
the impetus to finally commit, and I just placed my order for a K-5 and a couple of 
8 gig cards with B&H.

I hope it doesn't rain this weekend...

MCC



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Re: PESO - Swirl

[Charles Robinson]

On Sep 10, 2011, at 8:48, Rick Womer wrote:

> Leaping effortlessly through time and space, this is from our trip to Toronto 
> in May:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14149418&size=lg
> 

I like this quite a bit.  I can't really tell where the light's coming from so 
it's very interesting to study!

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Re: OT But is it art?

[Darren Addy]

I'm sure I would enjoy seeing the photo galleries of any Ansel Adams critic.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them
better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives
valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is
not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually
strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great
devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows
in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he
fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall
never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor
defeat."  - Theodore
Roosevelt

There are those who think that anyone/thing which attains "popular"
acclaim must be crap. This is sometimes true (Budweiser) and sometimes
not (songs written by McCartney/Lennon).


Darren Addy
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Re: PESO - The End

[Charles Robinson]

On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:50, Tom C wrote:

>> That's a nice shot, Tom.
>> 
>> Judging by the angles, it doesn't even appear to be that extreme of a 
>> telephoto shot, either.
>> 
>> One shudders to consider the cost of those tickets.  Somewhat stratospheric, 
>> wasn't it?
>> 
>>  -Charles
>> 
> 
> Thanks. You're correct, third row center. Almost exactly the same as
> the current price of a K-5. Was it worth it? I still think so. Do I
> wish I had a K-5, yes.
> 

I think I paid $7 for 2nd-row center for the Queen concert I saw in 1980.

Yow.

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RE: OT But is it art?

[John Sessoms]

From: Bruce Walker

Talk about Ansel Adams (see "A door to nowhere" thread) had me searching
for something about a repeated criticism of Ansel Adams that I've run
across: that he's the Normal Rockwell of photogs; that his output is
kitsch rather than art; that his belief in beauty above all rather then
social relevance, left him on the bottom rung of fine arts.


Could be worse. "They" could have accused him of being the "KEN 
Rockwell" of photogs ...


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Re: PESO - Yellow Guy

[Ann Sanfedele]

OK 3 votes for Goldy... there ya go Frank!

I thought youngster first, then molting male and settled on the latter

ann

On 9/20/2011 10:17, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Bob's right.  Either it is a young goldfinch, or it is a male that is
molting to change into his drab winter outfit.

Dan
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

Frank,
He/she is a young goldfinch.
It takes 'em a while for their colors to come in.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:13 AM, frank theriault
  wrote:

Not a great photo, I just wanted an ID on this guy.  He was hanging
around with the goldfinches several weeks ago (before they left) but
he doesn't look like a goldfinch, just a wannabe.

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/yellow-guy.html

Any ideas?

Thanks!

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Yellow Guy

[Ann Sanfedele]

Looks like a goldfinch preparing for winter

ann

On 9/20/2011 08:13, frank theriault wrote:

Not a great photo, I just wanted an ID on this guy.  He was hanging
around with the goldfinches several weeks ago (before they left) but
he doesn't look like a goldfinch, just a wannabe.

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/yellow-guy.html

Any ideas?

Thanks!

cheers,
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Re: A door to nowhere

[Tom C]

> On 11-09-19 4:24 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:
>> The 1st set in a series. Of these 3 pix of the same thing I can't pick
>> my favorite treatment. Your opinion would be valued.
>>
>> http://donspix.posterous.com/doors-to-nowhere-3-pix-for-the-indecisive-pho
>>
>>
>

#3, the bright yellow posts jump out and draw in my attention and make
me take the time to look at the rest of the image. My eye more or less
wanders and doesn't examine with the other two.

Tom C.

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Re: PESO - The End

[Tom C]

> That's a nice shot, Tom.
>
> Judging by the angles, it doesn't even appear to be that extreme of a 
> telephoto shot, either.
>
> One shudders to consider the cost of those tickets.  Somewhat stratospheric, 
> wasn't it?
>
>  -Charles
>

Thanks. You're correct, third row center. Almost exactly the same as
the current price of a K-5. Was it worth it? I still think so. Do I
wish I had a K-5, yes.

Tom C.

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Re: A door to nowhere

[Tom C]

William Robb wrote:

> Not liking Ansel Adams certainly strains a friendship, but I'll grant
> you are still a more or less worthwhile human being until you say
> something to redeem yourself.
> The monochrome needs to be cropped to more or less square, and then it
> works.
>
> ,mark.
> One cannot try to see the same way with B&W as one does with colour and
> expect to get good black and white.
> 
>
> --
>
> William Robb
>

LOL. I like you, is that redeeming enough? :-)

I like Ansel Adams, I'm just not in love with his *body* of work as
many seem to be. I was listening to a children' poetry story on the
way to work. The poetry was entertaining and quite simple really. It
made me think 'I could have written that'. That led me to think back
to this discussion and think that many of the acknowledged 'great'
artists achieved that stature because they happened to be noticed,
have the the right connections, or they were at the right spot in the
timeline to receive recognition. I would venture to say there's many
many unknown photographers that made, and are making, Adams-like
prints (not even in imitation of) that I'd like as much or better than
Adams, and they likely only receive(d) the acclamation of friends,
family, or simply the self-satisfaction of enjoying one's own work.

I hope this doesn't sound like sour grapes or a taking away from
Adams. I openly acknowledge that he had a skill that has been measured
as greatness and it isn't just ALL mere happenstance that one is
recognized. Effort IS involved. Somehow, at least in my present mood,
I think the attention and adulation heaped on a few, tends to eclipse
the work done by many that are at least equal (not saying I am).

Didn't attend to write this much.

Tom C. (ALL my work is derivative)

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Re: A door to nowhere

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> #3 is my favorite.  The stairs need to touch the ground,
> and the 6 yellow posts are a plus in the color photo.
> B&W is boring...
> Regards,  Bob S.

Agreed

Dave
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
>> The 1st set in a series. Of these 3 pix of the same thing I can't pick my
>> favorite treatment. Your opinion would be valued.
>>
>> http://donspix.posterous.com/doors-to-nowhere-3-pix-for-the-indecisive-pho
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Re: PESO - Yellow Guy

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Bob's right.  Either it is a young goldfinch, or it is a male that is
molting to change into his drab winter outfit.

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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Frank,
> He/she is a young goldfinch.
> It takes 'em a while for their colors to come in.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:13 AM, frank theriault
>  wrote:
>> Not a great photo, I just wanted an ID on this guy.  He was hanging
>> around with the goldfinches several weeks ago (before they left) but
>> he doesn't look like a goldfinch, just a wannabe.
>>
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/yellow-guy.html
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
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Re: PESO - Yellow Guy

[Bob Sullivan]

Frank,
He/she is a young goldfinch.
It takes 'em a while for their colors to come in.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:13 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> Not a great photo, I just wanted an ID on this guy.  He was hanging
> around with the goldfinches several weeks ago (before they left) but
> he doesn't look like a goldfinch, just a wannabe.
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/yellow-guy.html
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> cheers,
> frank
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PESO - Yellow Guy

[frank theriault]

Not a great photo, I just wanted an ID on this guy.  He was hanging
around with the goldfinches several weeks ago (before they left) but
he doesn't look like a goldfinch, just a wannabe.

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/yellow-guy.html

Any ideas?

Thanks!

cheers,
frank

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Re: A door to nowhere

[Tom Ivar Helbekkmo]

Don Guthrie  writes:

> http://donspix.posterous.com/doors-to-nowhere-3-pix-for-the-indecisive-pho

I like the b/w one best. The yellow posts unbalance #3 by grabbing
attention, and cropping them out weakens the composition in #1.

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Re: On All Pentax Imaging Web Properties

[Paul Stenquist]

I suppose they will use some images to promote the gallery as they've done in 
the past. It's a typical disclaimer and not worth losing sleep over, IMO.
Paul


On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

> 
> Hi All:
> 
> I received this message from the Pentax Gallery website people.
> I suspect that many of you received a similar message.
> 
> I noticed the sentence:
> "However, if you prefer
> not to display your images on all PENTAX Imaging web properties, please
> contact us by October 3 at opt...@pentax.com and we will disable your
> account."
> 
> ".. on all PENTAX Imaging web properties"?
> What does it mean? Somebody at Pentax doesn't know how to write, or do 
> they mean that now they can use your images beyond the Pentax Gallery?
> 
> I am not paranoid, but just curious.
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:00:33 +
>> From: PENTAX 
> Subject: New PENTAX Photo Gallery. Coming October 24th.
> 
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> Pentax: Be Interesting.
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> 
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> images
> 
>   Greater exposure for your talents
> 
> All the photos in the new gallery will be public on our Pentaximaging.com
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> and their inclusion of the new PENTAX Photo Gallery. However, if you prefer
> not to display your images on all PENTAX Imaging web properties, please
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> account.
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Re: On All Pentax Imaging Web Properties

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-09-20 1:23 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
I assumed that if you don't want to participate in the Pentax Gallery 
any more or if you don't want to have your photos on "our mobile 
site", they won't transfer your photos and data to the new site(s) if 
you notify them by Oct 3. I'm not sure what "our mobile site" refers 
to, though.


Probably the Pentax Gallery optimized for iPhone/Android/iPad viewing. 
It's becoming all the rage now to have a "mobile site".


-bmw

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RE: Clever ways of storing and carrying light stands, tripods etc?

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> steve harley
> on 2011-09-19 16:26 Stan Halpin wrote
> > You can probably buy crutches in all sizes in those same stores . . .
> 
> not sure what your point is — perhaps to disparage thrift stores? — but
> indeed,
> that was where i got some of those fancy crutches pro athletes use for
> my
> partner when she broke her foot
> 

go to ski store
buy skis
go skiing
break legs
get wheeled to thrift store
sell skis
buy crutches




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