date:20120815

Compacts are used for snapshots.  Many times that's exactly what I'm
doing, but I want to use a decent camera.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> On 8/14/2012 12:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>> http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html
>>>
>>
>> It's a nice exercise in design.
>
> It's a masturbatory exercise in form over function.
>
>> I sincerely am uncertain as to actual functionality of this apparatus.
>
> It would be completely useless for anyone that uses their camera for anything 
> but a fashion accessory, or possibly an autonomous photobot that relieves the 
> person holding it of any of the thought processes behind photography, except 
> possibly what general direction to point the camera and whether their camera 
> looks good with their clothes.
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Re: Pentax Si

2012-08-15 Thread Bruce Walker

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> On 8/14/2012 12:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>> http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html
>>>
>>
>> It's a nice exercise in design.
>
> It's a masturbatory exercise in form over function.
>
>> I sincerely am uncertain as to actual functionality of this apparatus.
>
> It would be completely useless for anyone that uses their camera for
> anything but a fashion accessory, or possibly an autonomous photobot
> that relieves the person holding it of any of the thought processes
> behind photography, except possibly what general direction to point
> the camera and whether their camera looks good with their clothes.

Then you will be quite surprised to hear that cameras with exactly
this level of automation and a complete lack of manual control have
been incorporated into cellphones. And the uptake is surprisingly
strong.

Do you remember the Polaroid SX-70? Entire UI: button to open the
camera, button to trigger shutter. Slot where image comes out. Door to
change film. People loved them -- still do, in fact.

There's a market for a camera where "you point it and we do the rest."
Whether that can actually be achieved in reality is another matter.

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Re: Peso, thirty years ago, today.......

2012-08-15 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Our 1981 wedding pic looks similar.
I also had a great amount of facial hair
but got rid of it as soon as I had the chance.

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Re: PAW134-136 - I´m back :-)

2012-08-15 Thread Rick Womer

136 is my favorite (Berlin?), but as usual they're all distressingly excellent.

Rick
 
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Three first results from a long trip (mostly) through Germany.

134
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1002-full.html
K-5, DA*50-135@50mm, 1/160s, f/9, ISO100.

135
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1001-full.html
K-5, DA*16-50@26mm, 1/50s, f/4, ISO100.

136
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
K-5, DA*50-135@135mm, 1/200s, f/6.3, ISO100.

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OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.

2012-08-15 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

http://themetapicture.com/why-teenagers-think-they-are-photographers/
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Re: PAW134-136 - I´m back :-)

2012-08-15 Thread Bruce Walker

Agreed. All bear closer scrutiny.


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 136 is my favorite (Berlin?), but as usual they're all distressingly 
> excellent.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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> Subject: PAW134-136 - I´m back :-)
>
> Three first results from a long trip (mostly) through Germany.
>
> 134
> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1002-full.html
> K-5, DA*50-135@50mm, 1/160s, f/9, ISO100.
>
> 135
> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1001-full.html
> K-5, DA*16-50@26mm, 1/50s, f/4, ISO100.
>
> 136
> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
> K-5, DA*50-135@135mm, 1/200s, f/6.3, ISO100.
>
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Re: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.

2012-08-15 Thread Bruce Walker

Har!  Hipsters too:

http://www.hayibo.com/hipsters-stunned-as-vintage-cameras-fail-to-make-them-professional-photographers/


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Re: PESO: NEED A HAT, BUD?

As a bald guy I appreciate this picture.

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Re: Peso: How we make bananas yellow

Not unless you've been having lunch at the Harley-Davidson Parts
Department.  ;-)

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:33 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Or dye made from urine?
>
> From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>
>
>> Is that dye or urine in those flasks?
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Steven Desjardins 
>> wrote:
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>>> http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/i-wcdDK8T/0/L/yellow-L.jpg
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Re: OT: How to ruin a car

2012-08-15 Thread Jack Davis

I believe they forgot the steering wheel necker's knob, mud flaps, fender 
skirts and a fox tail on the radio antenna.

Jack Davis
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http://www.photolightimages.com/


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Subject: OT: How to ruin a car

Not my pics, but a  tragic situation.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631081340882/

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Re: Pentax Si

2012-08-15 Thread Jeffery Smith

Olympus seems to be hinting that all 43 lenses will be fully usable on m43 
bodies (via a future adaptor), which is somewhat comforting. 

Regards,

Jeffery
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On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> Jeffery,
> 
> Micro-FourThirds is the sensible direction for future FourThirds
> format cameras. It delivers on all the promises of FourThirds format.
> The E-M5 is a very fine camera, as are the Pens. (Panasonic's G1 was
> to me the best of the Panasonics. As it usually does, Panasonic puts a
> huge effort into their introductory camera and then they seem to peter
> out. However, their mFT lenses are pretty darn nice.) The Olympus EVF,
> however, and image stabilization is state of the art.
> 
> That said, Olympus is continuing to produce the E-5 (and it is a
> marvelous camera) and their state of the art lenses for it for their
> professional community, which is larger than most people think. For
> many professional purposes, the SLR is still the best choice in
> responsiveness and versatility. Another generation or two on the mFT
> and the moving mirror  camera will be well superceded.
> 
> The Sony RX100 is selling very well. However, it's not a "Rollei 35
> killer" at all. It's a good performer, but without a view finder and
> without simple to see and set, discrete controls it just does nothing
> to make me want to trade it for my Rollei 35S. The Leica X2, on the
> other hand, is the closest thing I've seen to a Rollei 35S in a
> digital camera: I'm loving it.
> 
> G
> 
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jeffery Smith  wrote:
>> Not to stray OT, but 43 seems extinct (with the future apparently entirely 
>> m43 for Olympus). I have an m43 Panasonic, and don't like it even with the 
>> optional EVF. The new Sony 20mp no-VF Rollei-35 killer isn't catching the 
>> world by storm. Who are the enthusiasts who love a high-end camera the size 
>> of a pack of Camels? Is the dSLR market driven entirely by Facebook posters? 
>> Won't their iPhone cameras suffice?
>> 
>> Not to vent here, but I'm thinking that I'd better pick up an Olympus E-5 
>> simply because I'm already invested in fourthirds. And it makes me 
>> appreciate more that Pentax will continue to make cameras that can be held 
>> with 6-8 fingers rather than just 4.
>> 
>> Jeffery
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> Jeffery L. Smith
>> New Orleans, Louisiana
>> USA
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 20:39, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:17 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
 
 From: Bruce Walker
 
> http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html
 
 
 Still no eye-level viewfinder. Not for the bi-focal impaired, shaky hands
 generation.
>>> 
>>> I love the description that Kirk Tuck uses for the way you have to use
>>> rear-screen-only cameras: the dirty diaper hold.
>>> 
>>> It's entirely possible that cameras that the far-sighted, shaky-hands
>>> set can use might effectively disappear. Look what's happened with
>>> phones: there isn't one on the market that I can use without glasses.
>>> They are all designed by people with excellent vision, so they don't
>>> give a flying fuck whether far-sighted folks can use them. I've
>>> learned to use my SLR pretty much by feel, and the viewfinder with
>>> diopter adjustment makes that possible. I don't use my iPod or cell
>>> phone unless I absolutely have to; I've learned to detest cellphones.
>>> 
>>> The trending seems to be toward P&S's being folded into cell phones
>>> and mirrorless designs replacing everything else. SLRs would gravitate
>>> upward into the rarified, ultra-pricey Pro market along with medium
>>> format digital back types of kit. Probably talking $3000 bodies and up
>>> only.
>>> 
>>> Where would that leave us? Screwed. Maybe EVFs with diopters will save
>>> the day. Remains to be seen.
>>> 
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Pentax Q: the best camera combined with the worst marketing in the history of the universe?

2012-08-15 Thread Darren Addy

I mentioned in an earlier post that I (a K-5 owner) was considering
also getting a Pentax Q and I thought I would follow-up with a little
bit of my reasons why (for those who may be interested).

Frankly, what got my attention was ONE POST on Pentax Forums.
Interestingly, it was a post that was rebutting a poster's assertion
that a Full Frame camera was useful for (among other things) macro and
wildlife. The poster's images were taken with a Pentax Q.
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/194622-k5-replacement-4.html#post2052306

Prior to this post, I had really not even considered looking at the Q
because I saw it as gimmicky ("Smallest, lightest interchangeable lens
camera in the world") and I, frankly, couldn't believe that a sensor
that small could produce anything that worthwhile. Also it was
expensive. In my mind it was to DSLRs what the Pentax 110 was to 35mm
film cameras. Turns out that is a very bad analogy.

Prior to the post linked to above, the same poster wrote this very
complete "Real World Review" of the Pentax Q and I think it bears
consideration:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-q/194467-pentax-q-real-world-user-review.html
The photographer's Q stuff on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/sets/72157630529268492/

For starters, the heart of the Q is the Sony Exmor R backlit sensor.
Secondly, the Q was the first (not sure if it is still the only)
camera to use the Exmor R and also produce RAW files. (This is
significant, not only because it opens up your post-processing
toolbox, but because it also makes possible a lot of data for the
in-camera "filters" to process in creating those fun effects.)

As a manual focus lens lover, the other thing that is great about the
Q is that with adapters you can put virtually any lens in the world on
the front of this camera and see what it can do. Olympus OM mount,
Minolta MD mount, Canon FD mount, C-mount movie camera lenses, m42
screwmount lenses ... the list is endless. When doing so, you have to
keep in mind that a sensor this small comes with a large (5.6) crop
factor and that brings me to the other reason that "serious"
photographers should consider the Q a valuable "accessory". Consider
what one can do with a 100mm f2.8 macro on this camera. It at once
becomes a 560mm macro (with the benefit of greater DOF than you get on
larger sensor) and a 560mm telephoto faster than anything you can get
on a larger sensor camera. A lens like the Tokina AT-X 80-200mm f2.8
becomes a (35mm equiv) 450-1120mm super telephoto. This makes it a
super set-up for not only macro but wildlife/birding (sitting birds,
at least). Especially if using a lens set at hyperfocal distance, the
Q would also make an extremely good (as in hardly noticed)
shoot-from-the-hip street photography camera. In fact, anytime you
need a "stealth" camera (like getting into most big concert venues
these days, where a DSLR will get stopped at the door, the Q could be
a great choice.

Check out this comparison of a shot of the moon taken with the same
lens on the Pentax Q and the K-5 (and the larger K-5 image cropped to
the equiv. composition)
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-q/185934-new-pentax-red-dot-finder-q-da-300-img-3.html#post2003699
and I think you'll begin to see that you may be turning up your nose
at the small sensor size in the Q a little bit too fast (at least I
was).

How about a shoot on the Q and process on the iPad set-up? Can't get a
lot more lightweight than that!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/travelchick67/6397329885/

For some of my purposes, I think the Q will require a magnifying hood
such as this well-reviewed one:
http://www.amazon.com/Hoodman-H-LPP3-HoodLoupe-Professional-3-Inch/dp/B001N0KEWU/

I think that this camera's "Smallest in the world" campaign might work
in Japan and in Women's magazines (if Pentax advertised there). But
this camera has so much going for it that I think it could have been
marketed in multiple ways: to the Lomo-loving crowd. To the
stealth-shooter. And most of all in a VW Beetle "Small is Beautiful"
way to get people to look beyond the small sensor size to what amazing
things it can produce. Check out the (multiple) posts of user
"official tomoduch" on this page, to see what sort of FUN combined
with great images the Q can produce.
http://www.seriouscompacts.com/f90/pentax-q-samples-4129/index2.html

I think that this guy's sentiments kind of nail the reality of where
things are at the moment:
http://pyktures.blogspot.com/2011/06/small-reality-check-on-state-of-digital.html

After all of this examination, I've decided to pull the trigger on a
used Q kit with the normal prime f1.9 lens, and an extra battery for
$330. I'm also getting the C to Q adapter and K to C adapters that the
seller is offering for another $50. As was pointed out yesterday, if
you keep your eye on Amazon Deals, it is possible to get a returned Q
kit (all-but-new) for around $335 and that makes it a "BUY"
recommendation, in my boo

Re: OT: How to ruin a car

2012-08-15 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

>I believe they forgot the steering wheel necker's knob, mud flaps, 
>fender skirts and a fox tail on the radio antenna.

Hey now, fender skirts can be cool on some cars.

But just as long as there's no confederate stuff in the back window,
or a gun rack and an "I'd Rather Be Killing Communists" bumper sticker.

Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
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RE: PAW134-136 - I?m back:-)

2012-08-15 Thread Don Guthrie

And back with your usual style talent. In order for me 135 134 135. 
Thanks for sharing.



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Three first results from a long trip (mostly) through Germany.

134
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1002-full.html
K-5, DA*50-135@50mm, 1/160s, f/9, ISO100.

135
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1001-full.html
K-5, DA*16-50@26mm, 1/50s, f/4, ISO100.

136
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
K-5, DA*50-135@135mm, 1/200s, f/6.3, ISO100.

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Re: PESO - Patio at the Drake

2012-08-15 Thread Don Guthrie

A bike surrounded by lovely young ladies and you see the bike 1st. 
Priorities I guess. Nice bike photo though.





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The bike first caught my eye, but then I noticed the young lady on the
right with the cigarette and cell phone:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/08/patio-at-drake.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

cheers,
frank




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Re: PDML Digest, Vol 76, Issue 96

2012-08-15 Thread Don Guthrie

Gosh I like this one. My only quibble is I'd think it is stronger w/o 
tent in upper left. Thinking about venue distracts me from the hats.




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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195076&size=md

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PESO: What the HELL is this?

So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to work 
on my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of the 
corner of my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is pretty 
damned sizable.


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/
ISO 320, 1/180, f/7.1

If it's some kind of bee, it's not like any I've ever seen before. But, 
I'm sure some PDML'er will be able to inform me.


-- Walt

P/S: I also got a couple of hummer shots while I was out there:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789469050/

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789466064/

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Re: Pentax Si

2012-08-15 Thread Anthony Farr

On 16 August 2012 01:14, Jeffery Smith  wrote:
> Olympus seems to be hinting that all 43 lenses will be fully usable on m43 
> bodies (via a future adaptor), which is somewhat comforting.
>

There have been 4/3 to m43 adapters since the beginning of m43.  The
Olympus version conveys every function of Olympus 4/3 lenses.  The
Panasonic version adds the extra function of in-lens optical image
stabilization which is particular to their lenses and was developed
outside of the 4/3 blueprint, a bit like RIcoh's independent
development of aperture control linkage for K-mount lenses.

Despite this you can still use an Olympus adapter between Panasonic
m43 cameras and 4/3 lenses, because it is the principle of the 4/3
concept to be a universal fit regardless of brand.  You simply
sacrifice the OIS function which Olympus gear was never meant to
support.

regards, Anthony

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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?

2012-08-15 Thread Matthew Hunt

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:

> So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to work on
> my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of the corner of
> my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is pretty damned sizable.
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/
> ISO 320, 1/180, f/7.1

I think it's a sphynx moth... they are noted for their resemblance to
hummingbirds. One species is even called the "Hummingbird Hawk Moth."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphingidae

Nice shot of it!

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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?


On 8/15/2012 12:26 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:


So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to work on
my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of the corner of
my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is pretty damned sizable.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/
ISO 320, 1/180, f/7.1

I think it's a sphynx moth... they are noted for their resemblance to
hummingbirds. One species is even called the "Hummingbird Hawk Moth."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphingidae

Nice shot of it!

Thanks, Matthew! I'd have never guessed it was a moth, but based on 
this, I suspect you're right on the money:


http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=novembergale&number=214

I'm just glad I got a cool-looking one.

Thanks again!

-- Walt

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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?

It's a flying crawdad.  They are rare but delicious.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:
> On 8/15/2012 12:26 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:
>>
>>> So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to work on
>>> my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of the corner
>>> of
>>> my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is pretty damned
>>> sizable.
>>>
>>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/
>>> ISO 320, 1/180, f/7.1
>>
>> I think it's a sphynx moth... they are noted for their resemblance to
>> hummingbirds. One species is even called the "Hummingbird Hawk Moth."
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphingidae
>>
>> Nice shot of it!
>>
> Thanks, Matthew! I'd have never guessed it was a moth, but based on this, I
> suspect you're right on the money:
>
> http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=novembergale&number=214
>
> I'm just glad I got a cool-looking one.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -- Walt
>
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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?


Ha! There is a definite crawdad-like look about it, isn't there?

-- Walt

On 8/15/2012 12:39 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

It's a flying crawdad.  They are rare but delicious.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:

On 8/15/2012 12:26 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:


So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to work on
my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of the corner
of
my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is pretty damned
sizable.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/
ISO 320, 1/180, f/7.1

I think it's a sphynx moth... they are noted for their resemblance to
hummingbirds. One species is even called the "Hummingbird Hawk Moth."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphingidae

Nice shot of it!


Thanks, Matthew! I'd have never guessed it was a moth, but based on this, I
suspect you're right on the money:

http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=novembergale&number=214

I'm just glad I got a cool-looking one.

Thanks again!

-- Walt


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Re: Pentax Si

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Anthony Farr  wrote:
> On 16 August 2012 01:14, Jeffery Smith  wrote:
>> Olympus seems to be hinting that all 43 lenses will be fully usable on m43 
>> bodies (via a future adaptor), which is somewhat comforting.
>>
>
> There have been 4/3 to m43 adapters since the beginning of m43.  The
> Olympus version conveys every function of Olympus 4/3 lenses.  The
> Panasonic version adds the extra function of in-lens optical image
> stabilization which is particular to their lenses and was developed
> outside of the 4/3 blueprint, a bit like RIcoh's independent
> development of aperture control linkage for K-mount lenses.
>
> Despite this you can still use an Olympus adapter between Panasonic
> m43 cameras and 4/3 lenses, because it is the principle of the 4/3
> concept to be a universal fit regardless of brand.  You simply
> sacrifice the OIS function which Olympus gear was never meant to
> support.

Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in
function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150
mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies
(although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS).
Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and
only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not).

Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the
different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the
firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or
14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off
by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1
(continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body
controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1.

All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all
Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and
Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All
Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not
particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough
on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF
logic built into them on the earliest bodies.

The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds
SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been
improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module
in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like
Sony has done.

Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-)
-- 
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Re: Pentax Q: the best camera combined with the worst marketing in the history of the universe?

I always thought the lomo crowd was a good target group for this
camera.  Fotodiox also makes a great non-electronic K to Q adapter (I
always feel like I'm taking about cards when I write that).  It has a
built in tripod mount, which is very nice.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I mentioned in an earlier post that I (a K-5 owner) was considering
> also getting a Pentax Q and I thought I would follow-up with a little
> bit of my reasons why (for those who may be interested).
>
> Frankly, what got my attention was ONE POST on Pentax Forums.
> Interestingly, it was a post that was rebutting a poster's assertion
> that a Full Frame camera was useful for (among other things) macro and
> wildlife. The poster's images were taken with a Pentax Q.
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/194622-k5-replacement-4.html#post2052306
>
> Prior to this post, I had really not even considered looking at the Q
> because I saw it as gimmicky ("Smallest, lightest interchangeable lens
> camera in the world") and I, frankly, couldn't believe that a sensor
> that small could produce anything that worthwhile. Also it was
> expensive. In my mind it was to DSLRs what the Pentax 110 was to 35mm
> film cameras. Turns out that is a very bad analogy.
>
> Prior to the post linked to above, the same poster wrote this very
> complete "Real World Review" of the Pentax Q and I think it bears
> consideration:
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-q/194467-pentax-q-real-world-user-review.html
> The photographer's Q stuff on Flickr:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/sets/72157630529268492/
>
> For starters, the heart of the Q is the Sony Exmor R backlit sensor.
> Secondly, the Q was the first (not sure if it is still the only)
> camera to use the Exmor R and also produce RAW files. (This is
> significant, not only because it opens up your post-processing
> toolbox, but because it also makes possible a lot of data for the
> in-camera "filters" to process in creating those fun effects.)
>
> As a manual focus lens lover, the other thing that is great about the
> Q is that with adapters you can put virtually any lens in the world on
> the front of this camera and see what it can do. Olympus OM mount,
> Minolta MD mount, Canon FD mount, C-mount movie camera lenses, m42
> screwmount lenses ... the list is endless. When doing so, you have to
> keep in mind that a sensor this small comes with a large (5.6) crop
> factor and that brings me to the other reason that "serious"
> photographers should consider the Q a valuable "accessory". Consider
> what one can do with a 100mm f2.8 macro on this camera. It at once
> becomes a 560mm macro (with the benefit of greater DOF than you get on
> larger sensor) and a 560mm telephoto faster than anything you can get
> on a larger sensor camera. A lens like the Tokina AT-X 80-200mm f2.8
> becomes a (35mm equiv) 450-1120mm super telephoto. This makes it a
> super set-up for not only macro but wildlife/birding (sitting birds,
> at least). Especially if using a lens set at hyperfocal distance, the
> Q would also make an extremely good (as in hardly noticed)
> shoot-from-the-hip street photography camera. In fact, anytime you
> need a "stealth" camera (like getting into most big concert venues
> these days, where a DSLR will get stopped at the door, the Q could be
> a great choice.
>
> Check out this comparison of a shot of the moon taken with the same
> lens on the Pentax Q and the K-5 (and the larger K-5 image cropped to
> the equiv. composition)
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-q/185934-new-pentax-red-dot-finder-q-da-300-img-3.html#post2003699
> and I think you'll begin to see that you may be turning up your nose
> at the small sensor size in the Q a little bit too fast (at least I
> was).
>
> How about a shoot on the Q and process on the iPad set-up? Can't get a
> lot more lightweight than that!
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/travelchick67/6397329885/
>
> For some of my purposes, I think the Q will require a magnifying hood
> such as this well-reviewed one:
> http://www.amazon.com/Hoodman-H-LPP3-HoodLoupe-Professional-3-Inch/dp/B001N0KEWU/
>
> I think that this camera's "Smallest in the world" campaign might work
> in Japan and in Women's magazines (if Pentax advertised there). But
> this camera has so much going for it that I think it could have been
> marketed in multiple ways: to the Lomo-loving crowd. To the
> stealth-shooter. And most of all in a VW Beetle "Small is Beautiful"
> way to get people to look beyond the small sensor size to what amazing
> things it can produce. Check out the (multiple) posts of user
> "official tomoduch" on this page, to see what sort of FUN combined
> with great images the Q can produce.
> http://www.seriouscompacts.com/f90/pentax-q-samples-4129/index2.html
>
> I think that this guy's sentiments kind of nail the reality of where
> things are at the moment:
> http://pyktures.blogspot.com/2011/06/small-reality-check-on

Re: Pentax Si

2012-08-15 Thread Anthony Farr

That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I
buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier.  Are Panasonic's
shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies?

I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the
stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my
Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens.  Did the G1 use a switch
on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did?

regards, Anthony


On 16 August 2012 03:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
(older stuff snipped)
>
> Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in
> function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150
> mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies
> (although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS).
> Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and
> only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not).
>
> Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the
> different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the
> firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or
> 14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off
> by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1
> (continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body
> controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1.
>
> All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all
> Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and
> Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All
> Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not
> particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough
> on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF
> logic built into them on the earliest bodies.
>
> The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds
> SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been
> improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module
> in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like
> Sony has done.
>
> Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-)
> --
> Godfrey
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>

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RE: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.

2012-08-15 Thread Bob W

that sounds like the area where I work...

B

> -Original Message-
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> Bruce Walker
> Sent: 15 August 2012 15:03
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> Subject: Re: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.
> 
> Har!  Hipsters too:
> 
> http://www.hayibo.com/hipsters-stunned-as-vintage-cameras-fail-to-make-
> them-professional-photographers/
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
>  wrote:
> > http://themetapicture.com/why-teenagers-think-they-are-photographers/
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: OT: How to ruin a car

2012-08-15 Thread Jack Davis

Actually, "cool" was a long shackle dropped rear end, fender skirts and a set 
of Smitty equipped rumbling duel pipes.

Jack Davis
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http://www.photolightimages.com/


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To: pdml 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: OT: How to ruin a car 

>I believe they forgot the steering wheel necker's knob, mud flaps, 
>fender skirts and a fox tail on the radio antenna.

Hey now, fender skirts can be cool on some cars.

But just as long as there's no confederate stuff in the back window,
or a gun rack and an "I'd Rather Be Killing Communists" bumper sticker.

Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
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Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer


From: "knarftheriault


I thought that "Fine Art" is art that is created primarily for the purpose of 
being sold...

Cheers,
frank


According to the woman who owns the gallery, photography is not art.

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Re: Replacement for Pentax K-5


From: Boris Liberman


On 8/15/2012 2:27 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Pentax's problem is that they have a nice niche product, that they can't
seem to sell for better than commodity product prices, and they have to
sell it on line with pretty much word of mouth advertising.  All in all
they do pretty well with those limitations...


Peter, do you think marketing is actually more complex than rocket
science? It is not like Pentax has been founded two years ago and voila
- K-5 takes its rightful place up the ranks...


Customers have to be able to find a dealer who can sell them your product.

If that's not the number one rule of marketing, it should be.

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Re: Pentax Si

Not to hijack the thread (but here I go), I have the Oly version of this adapter

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842941-REG/Olympus_V3230500W000_MMF_3_Four_Thirds_Adapter.html

and no more 43 lenses.  If anyone is interested, just shoot me an email.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Anthony Farr  wrote:
> That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I
> buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier.  Are Panasonic's
> shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies?
>
> I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the
> stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my
> Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens.  Did the G1 use a switch
> on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did?
>
> regards, Anthony
>
>
> On 16 August 2012 03:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> (older stuff snipped)
>>
>> Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in
>> function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150
>> mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies
>> (although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS).
>> Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and
>> only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not).
>>
>> Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the
>> different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the
>> firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or
>> 14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off
>> by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1
>> (continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body
>> controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1.
>>
>> All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all
>> Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and
>> Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All
>> Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not
>> particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough
>> on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF
>> logic built into them on the earliest bodies.
>>
>> The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds
>> SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been
>> improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module
>> in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like
>> Sony has done.
>>
>> Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-)
>> --
>> Godfrey
>>   godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com
>>
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Re: Pentax Si

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Anthony Farr  wrote:
> That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I
> buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier.  Are Panasonic's
> shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies?
>
> I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the
> stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my
> Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens.  Did the G1 use a switch
> on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did?

Panasonic uses an optical image stabilization mechanism built into
each lens that supports it. The Micro-FourThirds lens delivered with
the G1 had the on/off switch to enable it built into the lens. Later
mFT lenses (and body firmware) move the on-off capability into the
body firmware and later lenses lack the on-off switch.

In the body firmware for both mFT and FT were the other OIS control
options (mode 1,2 and 3 operation :: continuous, at exposure time
only, panning) all the way along. On Olympus FT bodies without IBIS,
you use the in-lens OIS in the default Mode 1 operation. On Olympus
mFT bodies, you're best to turn off the OIS and engage the body's IBIS
system.

All three of the Panasonic FT lenses which supported OIS had the
on/off switch on the lens.

Prices for the FT to mFT adapters have varied back and forth depending
on market region and brand. The most expensive one is the latest one
from Olympus which is weather-sealed and completes the weather-sealing
provided by the E-M5 and (FT) ZD HG and SHG lenses. It's not important
if you don't have a weather-sealed body or lens.

I'm a little confused by what adapter you plan to buy. No adapter is
needed to use Panasonic FT lenses on Olympus FT bodies, and vice
versa. Similarly, no adapter is needed to use Panasonic mFT lenses on
Olympus mFT bodies and vice-versa. You only need an FT to mFT adapter
to use FT SLR lenses on mFT bodies, and which adapter you choose from
Olympus or Panasonic makes no difference other than for the weather
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Re: Pentax Si

Your comment is a little ambiguous. I don't need an FT to mFT adapter,
but you pointed to the latest Olympus MMF-3 adapter with the weather
sealing. Is that the one you have, or do you have the MMF-1 or MMF-2?

G

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Not to hijack the thread (but here I go), I have the Oly version of this 
> adapter
>
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842941-REG/Olympus_V3230500W000_MMF_3_Four_Thirds_Adapter.html
>
> and no more 43 lenses.  If anyone is interested, just shoot me an email.
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Anthony Farr  wrote:
>> That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I
>> buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier.  Are Panasonic's
>> shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies?
>>
>> I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the
>> stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my
>> Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens.  Did the G1 use a switch
>> on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did?
>>
>> regards, Anthony
>>
>>
>> On 16 August 2012 03:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> (older stuff snipped)
>>>
>>> Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in
>>> function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150
>>> mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies
>>> (although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS).
>>> Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and
>>> only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not).
>>>
>>> Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the
>>> different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the
>>> firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or
>>> 14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off
>>> by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1
>>> (continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body
>>> controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1.
>>>
>>> All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all
>>> Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and
>>> Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All
>>> Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not
>>> particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough
>>> on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF
>>> logic built into them on the earliest bodies.
>>>
>>> The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds
>>> SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been
>>> improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module
>>> in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like
>>> Sony has done.
>>>
>>> Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-)
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Re: Pentax Si

2012-08-15 Thread Anthony Farr

On 16 August 2012 04:49, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> I'm a little confused by what adapter you plan to buy. No adapter is
> needed to use Panasonic FT lenses on Olympus FT bodies, and vice
> versa. Similarly, no adapter is needed to use Panasonic mFT lenses on
> Olympus mFT bodies and vice-versa. You only need an FT to mFT adapter
> to use FT SLR lenses on mFT bodies, and which adapter you choose from
> Olympus or Panasonic makes no difference other than for the weather
> sealing I mentioned above, and price.

I have Oly 4/3 lenses which I'd someday like to use on my Panny mFT
camera body.  I wanted to leave the door open to use Panny 4/3 lenses
if I ever found such a beast at an affordable price.  Thanks to you
I've learned that the humble Oly adapter will suffice, I thought I'd
need the Panny adapter to get OIS function.

regards, Anthony

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Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer

So how did I get a Bachelors Degree in Fine Art Photography in 1970?

On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:38 , John Sessoms wrote:

> From: "knarftheriault
> 
>> I thought that "Fine Art" is art that is created primarily for the purpose 
>> of being sold...
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> frank
> 
> According to the woman who owns the gallery, photography is not art.

She's a bitch.

Truth is, it is easier for galleries to sell big mark-up sculptures and 
paintings than photographs. Photos still elicit a thought "I can do that!" 
unless looking at a master's work. By masters, I mean those willing and able to 
travel to where masterful photos can be taken. Frequently off the beaten path. 
They know their equipment so well, the final product can hold even duffers like 
me in respect, if not awe.

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Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer

Addendum: Most, if not all major museums of ART hold vast collections of 
photographs they drag out to show. Many of them have some part of their 
collection on display in other museums around the world.

Here in Seattle, there are several "galleries" devoted only to photography.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:38 , John Sessoms wrote:

> From: "knarftheriault
> 
>> I thought that "Fine Art" is art that is created primarily for the purpose 
>> of being sold...
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> frank
> 
> According to the woman who owns the gallery, photography is not art.

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Re: Replacement for Pentax K-5

On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:41 , John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Boris Liberman
> 
>> On 8/15/2012 2:27 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>> Pentax's problem is that they have a nice niche product, that they can't
>>> seem to sell for better than commodity product prices, and they have to
>>> sell it on line with pretty much word of mouth advertising.  All in all
>>> they do pretty well with those limitations...
>> 
>> Peter, do you think marketing is actually more complex than rocket
>> science? It is not like Pentax has been founded two years ago and voila
>> - K-5 takes its rightful place up the ranks...
> 
> Customers have to be able to find a dealer who can sell them your product.
> 
> If that's not the number one rule of marketing, it should be.

For whatever reason, Pentax has not been able to hold on to counter space in 
Costco, or any of the major big box stores. Contract too limiting? Sales not 
there? No one ever calls on them to try? That is where cameras are sold 
nowadays if the customer has to have "hands on".

Since film has diminished in the world of the "consumer", few frequent camera 
stores anymore, unless it's in the mall. They have in the last few years 
shuttered many of those.

I would say that most cameras are sold online now. Where people go when the 
advertising on TV by Canikon, even Sony. TV ad = sit down at computer = buy 
that brand = sign for FedEx package 1-7 days later = then spend 6 months 
figuring out how to use it as a point and shoot if you bought a DSLR, or the 
reverse.

Keep in mind, when the TV camera pans the audience at a concert, no one is 
holding up a camera. It's iPhones and iPads capturing video for U Tubulars. 
Poor video.

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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?

Liking you less Walt. Put that rig away!

(I'm impressed)

On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:20 , Walt Gilbert wrote:

> So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to work on my 
> manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of the corner of my 
> eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is pretty damned sizable.
> 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/
> ISO 320, 1/180, f/7.1
> 
> If it's some kind of bee, it's not like any I've ever seen before. But, I'm 
> sure some PDML'er will be able to inform me.
> 
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> 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789469050/
> 
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Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer

2012-08-15 Thread David Parsons

I saw a photography exhibit at the MFA (Museum of Fine Art) in Boston,
and it was as moving as any work by one of the old masters.  They had
a copy of Eggelston's tricycle, and it's amazing in person.

If anyone has a chance to, you really should go to a good museum and
look at all the art.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> Addendum: Most, if not all major museums of ART hold vast collections of 
> photographs they drag out to show. Many of them have some part of their 
> collection on display in other museums around the world.
>
> Here in Seattle, there are several "galleries" devoted only to photography.
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:38 , John Sessoms wrote:
>
>> From: "knarftheriault
>>
>>> I thought that "Fine Art" is art that is created primarily for the purpose 
>>> of being sold...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> frank
>>
>> According to the woman who owns the gallery, photography is not art.
>
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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?


Thank you, Joseph!

Now that I don't have to be afraid of getting stung, I may try getting 
up-close & personal and shooting it with one of my 50mm primes if it 
keeps coming around. It's a cool-looking critter, ain't it?


-- Walt

On 8/15/2012 2:51 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

Liking you less Walt. Put that rig away!

(I'm impressed)

On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:20 , Walt Gilbert wrote:


So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to work on my 
manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of the corner of my eye 
-- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is pretty damned sizable.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/
ISO 320, 1/180, f/7.1

If it's some kind of bee, it's not like any I've ever seen before. But, I'm 
sure some PDML'er will be able to inform me.

-- Walt

P/S: I also got a couple of hummer shots while I was out there:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789469050/

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789466064/



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Re: Pentax Q: the best camera combined with the worst marketing in the history of the universe?

2012-08-15 Thread Mark Roberts

Steven Desjardins wrote:

>I always thought the lomo crowd was a good target group for this
>camera. 

Ouch! The most damning comment yet!
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Re: Pentax Si

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Anthony Farr  wrote:
> I have Oly 4/3 lenses which I'd someday like to use on my Panny mFT
> camera body.  I wanted to leave the door open to use Panny 4/3 lenses
> if I ever found such a beast at an affordable price.  Thanks to you
> I've learned that the humble Oly adapter will suffice, I thought I'd
> need the Panny adapter to get OIS function.

Ah. Well, just to be clear, you'll never have the Panasonic OIS
functionality from Olympus lenses on any body. That's a function built
into the specific lens. There are only three FourThirds SLR lenses
with OIS
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PESO: Critter

I have been so uninspired I haven't even felt like picking my camera up 
for several months. I think the last photos I took were at GFM Nature 
Photography Weekend.


Yesterday while I was cutting the grass, this little fellow got dumped 
out when I was emptying the catcher bag. I kind of scooped him up and 
dropped him on my rose bush so he would be out of the way. He was still 
hanging on the rose bush when I finished my yard work, so I went and got 
my camera & put my A* 100 f/2.8 macro on it.


I took about 50 frames before he got irritated and left. This is one of 
the two I'm relatively happy with:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7790647954/lightbox/

K20D, A*100 f/2.8 macro @ f/8 and I'm not going to walk back into the 
other room just to see what the shutter speed was.


When I was prepping it in Bridge, I noticed I've got a hot pixel that 
causes a sharp line to appear across the frame. I tried to clone it out, 
but I can see I need to go back and work on it again in some places.


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Re: PESO: Critter

2012-08-15 Thread Bulent Celasun

That fellow seems to be having a good time watching you!

 ;)

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2012/8/15 John Sessoms :
> I have been so uninspired I haven't even felt like picking my camera up for
> several months. I think the last photos I took were at GFM Nature
> Photography Weekend.
>
> Yesterday while I was cutting the grass, this little fellow got dumped out
> when I was emptying the catcher bag. I kind of scooped him up and dropped
> him on my rose bush so he would be out of the way. He was still hanging on
> the rose bush when I finished my yard work, so I went and got my camera &
> put my A* 100 f/2.8 macro on it.
>
> I took about 50 frames before he got irritated and left. This is one of the
> two I'm relatively happy with:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7790647954/lightbox/
>
> K20D, A*100 f/2.8 macro @ f/8 and I'm not going to walk back into the other
> room just to see what the shutter speed was.
>
> When I was prepping it in Bridge, I noticed I've got a hot pixel that causes
> a sharp line to appear across the frame. I tried to clone it out, but I can
> see I need to go back and work on it again in some places.
>
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RE: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.


From: "Daniel J. Matyola"


http://themetapicture.com/why-teenagers-think-they-are-photographers/


I'm not sure what Instagram is. Spell check thinks it should be Instamatic.

I've heard of it several times, but never bothered to look it up. I 
figure it's something like Facebook, and I think I've mentioned before 
how I feel about that.


Lately, I've been thinking about prices & such if I ever bother to 
actually find work as a photographer.


I've decided my session fee will be $300 for adults & children, with the 
exception of teen-age girls, where it's going to be $3000 unless they 
will sign a contract that they promise that I do not have to listen to 
them talk during the session.


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Re: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.


From: Bruce Walker


Har! Hipsters too:

http://www.hayibo.com/hipsters-stunned-as-vintage-cameras-fail-to-make-them-professional-photographers/

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

http://themetapicture.com/why-teenagers-think-they-are-photographers/
Dan Matyola


Now that was funny.

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Re: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.

2012-08-15 Thread kwaller

Basically an app for minimal image altering and an image sharing site. My 
son is quite heavily into it and some of the work shown there is very good. 
Alot is over HDR'd IMO.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instagram

I woud have thought your charge for teen age girls would be lower.


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From: "John Sessoms" 

Subject: RE: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.



From: "Daniel J. Matyola"


http://themetapicture.com/why-teenagers-think-they-are-photographers/


I'm not sure what Instagram is. Spell check thinks it should be 
Instamatic.


I've heard of it several times, but never bothered to look it up. I figure 
it's something like Facebook, and I think I've mentioned before how I feel 
about that.


Lately, I've been thinking about prices & such if I ever bother to 
actually find work as a photographer.


I've decided my session fee will be $300 for adults & children, with the 
exception of teen-age girls, where it's going to be $3000 unless they will 
sign a contract that they promise that I do not have to listen to them 
talk during the session.



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Re: Pentax Si

Sorry.  It's the MMF-1, the first one.  I didn't even realize there
was a later model.  I haven't used it in so long and I was just
reminded that I had it sitting around.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Your comment is a little ambiguous. I don't need an FT to mFT adapter,
> but you pointed to the latest Olympus MMF-3 adapter with the weather
> sealing. Is that the one you have, or do you have the MMF-1 or MMF-2?
>
> G
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> Not to hijack the thread (but here I go), I have the Oly version of this 
>> adapter
>>
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842941-REG/Olympus_V3230500W000_MMF_3_Four_Thirds_Adapter.html
>>
>> and no more 43 lenses.  If anyone is interested, just shoot me an email.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Anthony Farr  wrote:
>>> That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I
>>> buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier.  Are Panasonic's
>>> shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies?
>>>
>>> I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the
>>> stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my
>>> Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens.  Did the G1 use a switch
>>> on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did?
>>>
>>> regards, Anthony
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 August 2012 03:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> (older stuff snipped)

 Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in
 function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150
 mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies
 (although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS).
 Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and
 only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not).

 Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the
 different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the
 firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or
 14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off
 by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1
 (continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body
 controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1.

 All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all
 Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and
 Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All
 Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not
 particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough
 on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF
 logic built into them on the earliest bodies.

 The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds
 SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been
 improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module
 in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like
 Sony has done.

 Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-)
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Re: Pentax Q: the best camera combined with the worst marketing in the history of the universe?

I thought it was appropriate in the context of the hipster thread. ;-)
Actually, it had lots of manual controls and it's kind of a waste on
the all automatic types.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Mark Roberts
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> Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>>I always thought the lomo crowd was a good target group for this
>>camera.
>
> Ouch! The most damning comment yet!
> ;-)
>
>
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Re: PESO: Critter

"You got a problem, dude?"   Nice shot.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Bulent Celasun
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> That fellow seems to be having a good time watching you!
>
>  ;)
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> 2012/8/15 John Sessoms :
>> I have been so uninspired I haven't even felt like picking my camera up for
>> several months. I think the last photos I took were at GFM Nature
>> Photography Weekend.
>>
>> Yesterday while I was cutting the grass, this little fellow got dumped out
>> when I was emptying the catcher bag. I kind of scooped him up and dropped
>> him on my rose bush so he would be out of the way. He was still hanging on
>> the rose bush when I finished my yard work, so I went and got my camera &
>> put my A* 100 f/2.8 macro on it.
>>
>> I took about 50 frames before he got irritated and left. This is one of the
>> two I'm relatively happy with:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7790647954/lightbox/
>>
>> K20D, A*100 f/2.8 macro @ f/8 and I'm not going to walk back into the other
>> room just to see what the shutter speed was.
>>
>> When I was prepping it in Bridge, I noticed I've got a hot pixel that causes
>> a sharp line to appear across the frame. I tried to clone it out, but I can
>> see I need to go back and work on it again in some places.
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Re: PESO: Critter

2012-08-15 Thread Jack Davis

Did the mower possibly cut off part its two front legs? They appear to be 
somewhat incomplete.


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Subject: PESO: Critter

I have been so uninspired I haven't even felt like picking my camera up for 
several months. I think the last photos I took were at GFM Nature Photography 
Weekend.

Yesterday while I was cutting the grass, this little fellow got dumped out when 
I was emptying the catcher bag. I kind of scooped him up and dropped him on my 
rose bush so he would be out of the way. He was still hanging on the rose bush 
when I finished my yard work, so I went and got my camera & put my A* 100 f/2.8 
macro on it.

I took about 50 frames before he got irritated and left. This is one of the two 
I'm relatively happy with:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7790647954/lightbox/

K20D, A*100 f/2.8 macro @ f/8 and I'm not going to walk back into the other 
room just to see what the shutter speed was.

When I was prepping it in Bridge, I noticed I've got a hot pixel that causes a 
sharp line to appear across the frame. I tried to clone it out, but I can see I 
need to go back and work on it again in some places.

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Re: Pentax K-30 experience

2012-08-15 Thread Jaume Lahuerta

Great information, many thanks Margus.

Jaume



>
> De: Margus Männik 
>Para: pdml@pdml.net 
>Enviado: Lunes 13 de agosto de 2012 17:09
>Asunto: Pentax K-30 experience
> 
>Now I have walked a week with (literally) K-30 in one hand and K-5 in other. I 
>wrote a review for our local press, but obviously I'm not going to translate 
>the whole thing, but just want to share some points (and please forgive me if 
>my English is not good enough).
>
>+ Nice body. I'm not very happy with K-7/K-5 body design (especially w/o 
>battery grip attached) and K-30 feels better. First it looks a bit suspicious, 
>but it's really comfortable in hand, even for a long carrying/shooting.
>+ Two-wheel user interface. I've never liked single-wheel cameras like K-r 
>(and many other). Considering the price, it's really nice feature.
>+ Very good viewfinder and possibility to change focusing screen. Once again, 
>I wouldn't expect those features from less-than-top-line camera, especially 
>Pentax (who has such a short line of cameras).
>+ The picture quality is nearly the same compared to K-5 under ~ISO 6400. I've 
>really compared around 100 "parallel" shots and just sometimes K-5 images seem 
>to have a tiny bit more dynamic range. At very high ISOs K-30 noise becomes 
>more prominent and has different nature (rougher grain). Considering that 
>Pentax K-5 have been named as the very best APS-C SLR, it seems that now the 
>second best is also Pentax.
>+ Video quality is superior to K-5. It's not much surprising as K-30 utilizes 
>the same PRIME M processor that we've already seen in K-01. Focusing in video 
>mode has made a significant leap forward compared both to K-5 and K-01.
>0 Much praised modifications to focusing system are nearly unnoticeable. K-30 
>may be a bit more self-confident with SDM lenses, but can not drive older ones 
>as fast as K-5.
>- Battery life is not impressive and there's no battery grip either. Of 
>course, 450 shots per charging is not THAT bad, but serious enthusiasts will 
>definitely need a spare battery.
>- Shutter is noisy, about the same as K20D. Continuous drive at 6 fps sounds 
>quite scary.
>- Video soundtrack is mono and camera has no external mic connector.
>- Image buffer could be larger. Nowadays the memory chips are inexpensive, 
>after all.
>
>All together, we have got an really impressive camera. IQ is much better than 
>K20D and almost the same as K-5. My personal favorite is still K-5 (I need 
>battery grip and don't care about video), but I'm quite sure many existing 
>pentaxians will prefer K-30.
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PESO: Leaves and Crows

2012-08-15 Thread Tim Bray

There was a thunderstorm (rare in these parts) coming in fast, and the
crows were seriously spooked, boiling out the trees, the cacaphony of
caws sounded cool over the underlying growl of thunder:
https://plus.google.com/photos/107606703558161507946/albums/posts/5777045791334175058

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Re: Found something

You should buy a Q and a K to Q adapter.  That 300 would be a 1650
equivalent.  ;-)  That M* is a nice pickup.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Collin Brendemuehl
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> Found a gentleman in Manitoba with his LX outfit for sale.
> I wasn't interested in that, but got several lenses from him.
> (M* 300/4, M28/2.8 v2, M100/4 Macro)
> He's got other goodies.  If anyone is interested, let me know
> and I will pass you his email address.
>
> (Really looking forward to shooting the two longer lenses.
> Got the 28 just because the price was right.)
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Re: Found something

2012-08-15 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

>You should buy a Q and a K to Q adapter.  That 300 would be a 1650
>equivalent.  ;-)  That M* is a nice pickup.

Not of much use since I don't have a Q.
I like the M* images better than the A*.
I think the only diff is the coating color cast.

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Re: PESO: Leaves and Crows

2012-08-15 Thread Larry Colen

Excellent shot. Wonderfully evocative of mood.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> There was a thunderstorm (rare in these parts) coming in fast, and the
> crows were seriously spooked, boiling out the trees, the cacaphony of
> caws sounded cool over the underlying growl of thunder:
> https://plus.google.com/photos/107606703558161507946/albums/posts/5777045791334175058
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Re: PAW134-136 - I´m back :-)

I agree with Rick. 136 is my favourite, and "distressingly excellent" pretty 
much sums it up.

:-)

cheers,
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From: Rick Womer 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
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Subject: Re: PAW134-136 - I´m back :-)

136 is my favorite (Berlin?), but as usual they're all distressingly excellent.

Rick
 
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Three first results from a long trip (mostly) through Germany.

134
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1002-full.html
K-5, DA*50-135@50mm, 1/160s, f/9, ISO100.

135
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1001-full.html
K-5, DA*16-50@26mm, 1/50s, f/4, ISO100.

136
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
K-5, DA*50-135@135mm, 1/200s, f/6.3, ISO100.

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OT - Hipsters and Vintage Cameras

I laughed so hard I almost...

Well, I enjoyed it:

 
http://www.hayibo.com/hipsters-stunned-as-vintage-cameras-fail-to-make-them-professional-photographers/

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Re: PESO: Leaves and Crows


Agreed. Very melancholic.

-- Walt

On 8/15/2012 7:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Excellent shot. Wonderfully evocative of mood.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Tim Bray wrote:


There was a thunderstorm (rare in these parts) coming in fast, and the
crows were seriously spooked, boiling out the trees, the cacaphony of
caws sounded cool over the underlying growl of thunder:
https://plus.google.com/photos/107606703558161507946/albums/posts/5777045791334175058

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Re: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.

Damn! You beat me to it (just posted the same url). You're about 12 hours ahead 
of me...

;-)

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From: Bruce Walker 
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Har!  Hipsters too:

http://www.hayibo.com/hipsters-stunned-as-vintage-cameras-fail-to-make-them-professional-photographers/


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> http://themetapicture.com/why-teenagers-think-they-are-photographers/
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Re: GESO: Castells

2012-08-15 Thread Paul Stenquist

A very weird custom, well recorded by you:-). Seriously, a nice set, and it 
looks like the participants have a good time. 
Paul
On Aug 15, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

> Hellooo out there!
> 
> Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
> did I miss anything? :)
> 
> Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
> ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
> live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
> human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
> contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
> incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
> I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
> waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
> from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
> top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/
> 
> Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
> participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/
> 
> Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
> point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
> shots off while I dove for cover:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560
> 
> I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
> closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
> grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!
> 
> :)
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RE: PESO: NEED A HAT, BUD?

:-)

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From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
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Subject: PESO: NEED A HAT, BUD?

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195076&size=md

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Re: OT: How to ruin a car

I didn't see any fuzzy dice hanging from the rearview either.

;-)

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Subject: Re: OT: How to ruin a car

I believe they forgot the steering wheel necker's knob, mud flaps, fender 
skirts and a fox tail on the radio antenna.

Jack Davis
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:55 AM
Subject: OT: How to ruin a car

Not my pics, but a  tragic situation.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631081340882/

Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
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Re: PESO - Patio at the Drake

Yes. 

Bike first.

What's your point?

;-)

Btw, while I did notice it first that doesn't mean that I particularly liked 
it. Yes, all bikes are good (in and of themselves) but this one screams 
"hipster" a bit too loudly.

;-)

Thanks for the comment!

cheers,
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From: Don Guthrie 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - Patio at the Drake

A bike surrounded by lovely young ladies and you see the bike 1st. 
Priorities I guess. Nice bike photo though.




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> The bike first caught my eye, but then I noticed the young lady on the
> right with the cigarette and cell phone:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/08/patio-at-drake.html
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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RE: PESO: What the HELL is this?

Well, it's a heck of a photo for starters.

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From: Walt Gilbert 
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Subject: PESO: What the HELL is this?

So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to work 
on my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of the 
corner of my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is pretty 
damned sizable.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/
ISO 320, 1/180, f/7.1

If it's some kind of bee, it's not like any I've ever seen before. But, 
I'm sure some PDML'er will be able to inform me.

-- Walt

P/S: I also got a couple of hummer shots while I was out there:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789469050/

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789466064/

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Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer

...which exactly why I shy away from silly discussions about "what art is." The 
word is practically meaningless due to people like that gallery owner.

I will, however, happily participate in a "Who is Art?" discussion.

Clearly the answer to the latter is "Garfunkel".

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Subject: Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer


According to the woman who owns the gallery, photography is not art.

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RE: PESO: Critter

Excellent! (too bad about his front legs, though)

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Subject: PESO: Critter

I have been so uninspired I haven't even felt like picking my camera up 
for several months. I think the last photos I took were at GFM Nature 
Photography Weekend.

Yesterday while I was cutting the grass, this little fellow got dumped 
out when I was emptying the catcher bag. I kind of scooped him up and 
dropped him on my rose bush so he would be out of the way. He was still 
hanging on the rose bush when I finished my yard work, so I went and got 
my camera & put my A* 100 f/2.8 macro on it.

I took about 50 frames before he got irritated and left. This is one of 
the two I'm relatively happy with:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7790647954/lightbox/

K20D, A*100 f/2.8 macro @ f/8 and I'm not going to walk back into the 
other room just to see what the shutter speed was.

When I was prepping it in Bridge, I noticed I've got a hot pixel that 
causes a sharp line to appear across the frame. I tried to clone it out, 
but I can see I need to go back and work on it again in some places.

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RE: PESO: Leaves and Crows

Dark and foreboding.

Love it!

cheers,
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From: Tim Bray 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
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Subject: PESO: Leaves and Crows

There was a thunderstorm (rare in these parts) coming in fast, and the
crows were seriously spooked, boiling out the trees, the cacaphony of
caws sounded cool over the underlying growl of thunder:
https://plus.google.com/photos/107606703558161507946/albums/posts/5777045791334175058

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Re: OT - Hipsters and Vintage Cameras

I've seen this in a few places.  It's really funny.  Check out the
nearby "end of Olympics" article.

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> I laughed so hard I almost...
>
> Well, I enjoyed it:
>
>  
> http://www.hayibo.com/hipsters-stunned-as-vintage-cameras-fail-to-make-them-professional-photographers/
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?


From: Walt Gilbert


So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to
work on my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of
the corner of my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is
pretty damned sizable.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/ ISO 320,
1/180, f/7.1

If it's some kind of bee, it's not like any I've ever seen before.
But, I'm sure some PDML'er will be able to inform me.


It's a hummingbird moth. They're about the size of a bumble-bee.

I don't know the scientific name.

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Re: Peso, thirty years ago, today.......

2012-08-15 Thread Doug Franklin


On 2012-08-15 7:05, David J Brooks wrote:


I would if i could only remember it.:-)


It was thirty (twenty) years ago today, Sgt. Pepper taught the band to 
play ... Congratulations!


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Re: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.

When I was a teen-age boy they would have been. Somehow I lost my 
fascination for them in the intervening years.


I Like 'em just fine until they start talking.

From: 
Basically an app for minimal image altering and an image sharing site. My
son is quite heavily into it and some of the work shown there is very good.
Alot is over HDR'd IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instagram

I woud have thought your charge for teen age girls would be lower.


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Subject: RE: OT: Why some teens think they are photographers.



From: "Daniel J. Matyola"


http://themetapicture.com/why-teenagers-think-they-are-photographers/


I'm not sure what Instagram is. Spell check thinks it should be
Instamatic.

I've heard of it several times, but never bothered to look it up. I figure
it's something like Facebook, and I think I've mentioned before how I feel
about that.

Lately, I've been thinking about prices & such if I ever bother to
actually find work as a photographer.

I've decided my session fee will be $300 for adults & children, with the
exception of teen-age girls, where it's going to be $3000 unless they will
sign a contract that they promise that I do not have to listen to them
talk during the session.


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Re: GESO: Castells

Weird? As opposed to, say, American football? 

;-)

And yes, I'll readily admit that ~ice~ hockey is pretty weird, too.

Cheers,
frank

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From: Paul Stenquist 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
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Subject: Re: GESO: Castells

A very weird custom, 
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RE: GESO: Castells

Very cool!

And wonderful photos, too.

Cheers,
frank

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From: Christine Nielsen 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: GESO: Castells

Hellooo out there!

Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
did I miss anything? :)

Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/

Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/

Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
shots off while I dove for cover:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560

I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!

:)
-c

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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?

Hummicum Mothicae

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:19 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Walt Gilbert
>
>
>> So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to
>> work on my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of
>> the corner of my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is
>> pretty damned sizable.
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/ ISO 320,
>> 1/180, f/7.1
>>
>> If it's some kind of bee, it's not like any I've ever seen before.
>> But, I'm sure some PDML'er will be able to inform me.
>
>
> It's a hummingbird moth. They're about the size of a bumble-bee.
>
> I don't know the scientific name.
>
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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?


Thank you, Frank!

-- Walt

On 8/15/2012 9:00 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, it's a heck of a photo for starters.

cheers,
frank

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From: Walt Gilbert 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PESO: What the HELL is this?

So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to work
on my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of the
corner of my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is pretty
damned sizable.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/
ISO 320, 1/180, f/7.1

If it's some kind of bee, it's not like any I've ever seen before. But,
I'm sure some PDML'er will be able to inform me.

-- Walt

P/S: I also got a couple of hummer shots while I was out there:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789469050/

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789466064/




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Re: GESO: Castells

Most sports are pretty weird if you really think about them.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Very cool!
>
> And wonderful photos, too.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Christine Nielsen 
> Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: GESO: Castells
>
> Hellooo out there!
>
> Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
> did I miss anything? :)
>
> Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
> ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
> live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
> human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
> contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
> incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
> I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
> waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
> from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
> top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/
>
> Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
> participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/
>
> Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
> point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
> shots off while I dove for cover:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560
>
> I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
> closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
> grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!
>
> :)
> -c
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Re: PESO: What the HELL is this?


This appears to be the one:

http://www.birds-n-garden.com/snowberry_clearwing_hummingbird_moths.html

/Hemaris diffinis/, according to that page. And it looks to be a pretty 
good match for the one in the photo.


-- Walt

On 8/15/2012 9:39 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Hummicum Mothicae

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:19 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

From: Walt Gilbert



So, I took the K20D with the Promaster 70-300 out this morning to
work on my manual focusing skills, and happened to catch this out of
the corner of my eye -- thinking it was a hummingbird. The thing is
pretty damned sizable.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7789467090/ ISO 320,
1/180, f/7.1

If it's some kind of bee, it's not like any I've ever seen before.
But, I'm sure some PDML'er will be able to inform me.


It's a hummingbird moth. They're about the size of a bumble-bee.

I don't know the scientific name.


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Re: PESO: Critter

He just has them folded under and they're kind of hidden from the angle 
I was photographing him.


When he got tired of me poking the lens in his face he hopped down from 
the rose bush and tried to escape by climbing a maple tree. Once he got 
up about tripod level I was able to get a couple more good shots.


Here's the other one I liked:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7792517030/lightbox/
K20D, A* 100 f/2.8 macro @ f/5.6, 1/50

You can see the front legs are intact.

From: Jack Davis


Did the mower possibly cut off part its two front legs? They?appear to be 
somewhat incomplete.


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From: John Sessoms 
To: pdml@pdml.net
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: PESO: Critter

I have been so uninspired I haven't even felt like picking my camera
up for several months. I think the last photos I took were at GFM
Nature Photography Weekend.

Yesterday while I was cutting the grass, this little fellow got
dumped out when I was emptying the catcher bag. I kind of scooped him
up and dropped him on my rose bush so he would be out of the way. He
was still hanging on the rose bush when I finished my yard work, so I
went and got my camera & put my A* 100 f/2.8 macro on it.

I took about 50 frames before he got irritated and left. This is one
of the two I'm relatively happy with:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7790647954/lightbox/

K20D, A*100 f/2.8 macro @ f/8 and I'm not going to walk back into the
other room just to see what the shutter speed was.

When I was prepping it in Bridge, I noticed I've got a hot pixel that
causes a sharp line to appear across the frame. I tried to clone it
out, but I can see I need to go back and work on it again in some
places.


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Re: GESO: Castells

My point exactly.

Cheers,
frank

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Christopher Hitchens

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From: Steven Desjardins 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: GESO: Castells

Most sports are pretty weird if you really think about them.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Very cool!
>
> And wonderful photos, too.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Christine Nielsen 
> Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: GESO: Castells
>
> Hellooo out there!
>
> Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
> did I miss anything? :)
>
> Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
> ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
> live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
> human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
> contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
> incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
> I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
> waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
> from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
> top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/
>
> Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
> participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/
>
> Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
> point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
> shots off while I dove for cover:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560
>
> I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
> closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
> grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!
>
> :)
> -c
>
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RE: GESO: Castells


From: Christine Nielsen


Hellooo out there!

Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
did I miss anything? :)

Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/

Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/

Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
shots off while I dove for cover:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560

I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!

:)
-c


Looks like they have the little kids wearing helmets.

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Re: PESO: Critter

Another amazing shot!

Thanks for the clarification wrt the legs. I doubt he'd survive long were they 
cut off where they seem to be in the first photo. I imagine he wouldn't be able 
to capture and eat prey without full use of those front appendages.

Cheers,
frank

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From: John Sessoms 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Critter

He just has them folded under and they're kind of hidden from the angle 
I was photographing him.

When he got tired of me poking the lens in his face he hopped down from 
the rose bush and tried to escape by climbing a maple tree. Once he got 
up about tripod level I was able to get a couple more good shots.

Here's the other one I liked:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7792517030/lightbox/
K20D, A* 100 f/2.8 macro @ f/5.6, 1/50

You can see the front legs are intact.

From: Jack Davis

> Did the mower possibly cut off part its two front legs? They?appear to be 
> somewhat incomplete.
>
>
> Jack Davis
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis
> http://www.photolightimages.com/
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: John Sessoms 
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:42 PM
> Subject: PESO: Critter
>
> I have been so uninspired I haven't even felt like picking my camera
> up for several months. I think the last photos I took were at GFM
> Nature Photography Weekend.
>
> Yesterday while I was cutting the grass, this little fellow got
> dumped out when I was emptying the catcher bag. I kind of scooped him
> up and dropped him on my rose bush so he would be out of the way. He
> was still hanging on the rose bush when I finished my yard work, so I
> went and got my camera & put my A* 100 f/2.8 macro on it.
>
> I took about 50 frames before he got irritated and left. This is one
> of the two I'm relatively happy with:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7790647954/lightbox/
>
> K20D, A*100 f/2.8 macro @ f/8 and I'm not going to walk back into the
> other room just to see what the shutter speed was.
>
> When I was prepping it in Bridge, I noticed I've got a hot pixel that
> causes a sharp line to appear across the frame. I tried to clone it
> out, but I can see I need to go back and work on it again in some
> places.

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Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer


From: "knarftheriault


...which exactly why I shy away from silly discussions about "what
art is." The word is practically meaningless due to people like that
gallery owner.

I will, however, happily participate in a "Who is Art?" discussion.

Clearly the answer to the latter is "Garfunkel".

cheers,
frank


I would have thought it would be "Carney".

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Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer


On 8/15/2012 10:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: "knarftheriault


...which exactly why I shy away from silly discussions about "what
art is." The word is practically meaningless due to people like that
gallery owner.

I will, however, happily participate in a "Who is Art?" discussion.

Clearly the answer to the latter is "Garfunkel".

cheers,
frank


I would have thought it would be "Carney".


I was thinking "Vandelay".

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Re: Peso, thirty years ago, today.......


From: Doug Franklin


On 2012-08-15 7:05, David J Brooks wrote:


I would if i could only remember it.:-)


It was thirty (twenty) years ago today, Sgt. Pepper taught the band to
play ... Congratulations!



For some reason I keep hearing that as "twenty years ago today, Doctor 
Pepper taught the band to play ..."


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Re: GESO: Castells


In my second Seinfeld reference of the night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WSD6Y2YWj4

On 8/15/2012 10:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

My point exactly.

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Steven Desjardins 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: GESO: Castells

Most sports are pretty weird if you really think about them.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Very cool!

And wonderful photos, too.

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
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--- Original Message ---

From: Christine Nielsen 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: GESO: Castells

Hellooo out there!

Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
did I miss anything? :)

Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/

Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/

Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
shots off while I dove for cover:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560

I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!

:)
-c

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Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer

...of Vandelay Industries...

LMAO 

Cheers,
frank

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--- Original Message ---

From: Walt Gilbert 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
Subject: Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer


I was thinking "Vandelay".


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Re: GESO: Castells

And Seinfeld wrt helmets:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgOUgrOHuFc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

cheers,
frank 

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From: Walt Gilbert 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: GESO: Castells

In my second Seinfeld reference of the night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WSD6Y2YWj4

On 8/15/2012 10:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> My point exactly.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Steven Desjardins 
> Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: GESO: Castells
>
> Most sports are pretty weird if you really think about them.
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> Very cool!
>>
>> And wonderful photos, too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>>
>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
>> Christopher Hitchens
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>> From: Christine Nielsen 
>> Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: GESO: Castells
>>
>> Hellooo out there!
>>
>> Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
>> did I miss anything? :)
>>
>> Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
>> ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
>> live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
>> human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
>> contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
>> incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
>> I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
>> waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
>> from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
>> top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/
>>
>> Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
>> participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/
>>
>> Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
>> point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
>> shots off while I dove for cover:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560
>>
>> I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
>> closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
>> grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!
>>
>> :)
>> -c
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Re: GESO: Castells

Thanks, Paul.  They do indeed have a good time (barring serious
mishaps...), it's very festive!

:)
-c

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> A very weird custom, well recorded by you:-). Seriously, a nice set, and it 
> looks like the participants have a good time.
> Paul
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>
>> Hellooo out there!
>>
>> Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
>> did I miss anything? :)
>>
>> Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
>> ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
>> live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
>> human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
>> contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
>> incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
>> I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
>> waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
>> from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
>> top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/
>>
>> Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
>> participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/
>>
>> Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
>> point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
>> shots off while I dove for cover:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560
>>
>> I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
>> closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
>> grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!
>>
>> :)
>> -c
>>
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Re: GESO: Castells

Thanks, Frank.  I thought it was pretty cool, too... we have our own
"weird" sports, but this is something else...

:)
-c

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Very cool!
>
> And wonderful photos, too.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Christine Nielsen 
> Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: GESO: Castells
>
> Hellooo out there!
>
> Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
> did I miss anything? :)
>
> Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
> ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
> live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
> human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
> contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
> incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
> I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
> waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
> from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
> top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/
>
> Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
> participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/
>
> Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
> point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
> shots off while I dove for cover:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560
>
> I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
> closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
> grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!
>
> :)
> -c
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Re: GESO: Castells

Yes, and the helmets on the kids are padded on the exterior, as well
as interior.  Safer for the other castellers that way...

:)
-c

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:03 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Christine Nielsen
>
>
>> Hellooo out there!
>>
>> Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
>> did I miss anything? :)
>>
>> Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
>> ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
>> live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
>> human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
>> contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
>> incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
>> I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
>> waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
>> from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
>> top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/
>>
>> Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
>> participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/
>>
>> Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
>> point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
>> shots off while I dove for cover:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560
>>
>> I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
>> closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
>> grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!
>>
>> :)
>> -c
>
>
> Looks like they have the little kids wearing helmets.
>
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Re: GESO: Castells

Oops! I completely forgot to comment on the set, which was great! I 
especially liked 2012_07 and 2012_23.


It certainly looks like a fun spectacle to witness!

-- Walt

On 8/15/2012 10:43 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

Thanks, Frank.  I thought it was pretty cool, too... we have our own
"weird" sports, but this is something else...

:)
-c

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Very cool!

And wonderful photos, too.

Cheers,
frank

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Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Christine Nielsen 
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: GESO: Castells

Hellooo out there!

Summer vacation & travels have kept me off the list for a while...
did I miss anything? :)

Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of weeks
ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
contest, Catalan cultural event & performance art.  It's really quite
incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom "lawsuit
waiting to happen"...)  People from all walks of life participate,
from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/

Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/

Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
shots off while I dove for cover:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560

I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!

:)
-c

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Re: GESO: Castells