Re: GESO San Francisco Lindy Exchange:

2012-09-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:36 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Didn't get all the way through them but there are some amazing photos in 
> there. Obviously being a dancer yourself you know the timing and can 
> anticipate the perfect moment to snap.
> 
> Wonderful stuff.

Thank you.  Those photos are the one percenters.   I shot about 4200 frames 
last weekend.  For my facebook snapshot albums I winnowed them down to about 
600 frames, trying to have decent coverage of all the events, and of as many 
dancers and all of the musicians.  
I narrowed that down to about 200 in sets on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157631567605816/

I'd like to narrow the "best of" set down a bit more, but having spent way too 
much time over the past week sorting, rating and processing, it's impossible 
for me to look at them objectively.

> 
> Perhaps you should have used a flash though...  

I did use a flash.  If you look carefully, you can probably even tell which 
photos I used one on.  If I'm the sort of guy who will eat bacon on Yom Kippur, 
I'm not going to be afraid to use a flash, even at a dance, when it's 
appropriate to do so.


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Re: PESO Ford

2012-09-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:22 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Like the fourth one best. Those orange highlights are weird but oddly work 
> well with the black or grey matt.

There are several rat rods around painted black primer with orange highlights.  

> 
> Well shot.

Thank you.


> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: Larry Colen 
> Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: PESO Ford
> 
> Between rescuing two damsels in distress today, I took a few shots of this 
> relic parked in front of the thrift store in downtown Felton:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8025866914/
> 
> set of 4: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631626251196/
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RE: So, I have this Spotmatic...

2012-09-26 Thread Tanya Love
Oh, thanks for  the help John, lovely to hear from you!

Are you guys going to be enjoying Riverfire from your lovely vantage point
this weekend?


Tan.x

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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:39 PM
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Subject: RE: So, I have this Spotmatic...

Tan - Joseph McAllister has covered just about every point, but there is one
more thing.
All my Spotmatics don't have the magic needle film loading mechanism, each
has the slotted take-up spool.  Just push the tongue of the film down into
any one of the slots,  until the end pokes through the other side.  Ensure
the film is flat down on the sprocket roller
(to the left of the take up spool).   I tend to turn the take up spool by
hand (remember
it turns clock-wise - i.e. backwards!) to make sure it is tight.  Close the
back and wind on until you get frame 1 showing in the frame counter window
If the film isn't being taken up the release lever button on the left top
will not revolve.

I do have a dummy film cartridge with a roll of blank film (processed) you
can use to practice with if you like.

HTH


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


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Tanya Love
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012 6:23 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: So, I have this Spotmatic...

...that my father-in-law gave me a while back.  It comes with a super tak
135mm, 28mm, and 50mm and Hanimex 2x teleconverter.

I thought I'd get it out and have a play with a roll of film at the Brisbane
Riverfire Festival this weekend.

The thing has screwmount lenses!  WTF! 

Where's the metering on it?!

How do I even open the back to put the film in?!  How the heck did they do
it back in the "old days" anyways?!

Crap, I'm spent, think I'm going to put it back in  the display cabinet!  

Too bloody funny!  And here I was thinking I was like, all hip and stuff!

Think I'll just pack the K5, new 12-24mm and a tripod instead! Lol.


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So, I have this Spotmatic

2012-09-26 Thread Bipin Gupta
Hey Tanya, (my grand daughter too is Tanya), if you ain't ever going
to use the Spotmatic with all the M42 screw mount lenses, just send
them to me. The one I have broke anyway and can't be repaired for want
of parts, even though externally it is like new.
Being a master mechanic perhaps I can canabalise parts and make my old
lady well again.
Regards.
Bipin.

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Re: About those $2000.00 full-frame cameras...

2012-09-26 Thread mike wilson

On 26/09/2012 20:42, Bob W wrote:

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
mike wilson

On 25/09/2012 14:15, Mark Roberts wrote:

A Pentax Spotmatic cost $289.00 in 1967. According to
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com that works out to be $1,993.00

in

today's money.



  From the same source a 1986 LX (body only at UK price but US currency)
would be $8407.99.



about $84.01 in US prices then.

I think I paid about £400- for each of my LXes.



I would imagine only someone named Croesus would have paid full retail 
price at that point.


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RE: So, I have this Spotmatic...

2012-09-26 Thread John Coyle
Tan - Joseph McAllister has covered just about every point, but there is one 
more thing.
All my Spotmatics don't have the magic needle film loading mechanism, each has 
the slotted
take-up spool.  Just push the tongue of the film down into any one of the 
slots,  until
the end pokes through the other side.  Ensure the film is flat down on the 
sprocket roller
(to the left of the take up spool).   I tend to turn the take up spool by hand 
(remember
it turns clock-wise - i.e. backwards!) to make sure it is tight.  Close the 
back and wind
on until you get frame 1 showing in the frame counter window  If the film isn't 
being
taken up the release lever button on the left top will not revolve.

I do have a dummy film cartridge with a roll of blank film (processed) you can 
use to
practice with if you like.

HTH


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tanya 
Love
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012 6:23 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: So, I have this Spotmatic...

...that my father-in-law gave me a while back.  It comes with a super tak 
135mm, 28mm, and
50mm and Hanimex 2x teleconverter.

I thought I'd get it out and have a play with a roll of film at the Brisbane 
Riverfire
Festival this weekend.

The thing has screwmount lenses!  WTF! 

Where's the metering on it?!

How do I even open the back to put the film in?!  How the heck did they do it 
back in the
"old days" anyways?!

Crap, I'm spent, think I'm going to put it back in  the display cabinet!  

Too bloody funny!  And here I was thinking I was like, all hip and stuff!

Think I'll just pack the K5, new 12-24mm and a tripod instead! Lol.


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Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Where did I make him out to be a bad guy? I spoke to him one of the times I was 
at GFM and he is a very personable, pleasant fellow. 

He's a very good photographer who has come up with or adapted an idea and uses 
it along with his other tools to take very unique and beautiful photos.

I have a problem with those who think he cheats or breaks or bends the rules; 
he does no such thing. 

My personal preference is to take nature photos completely in their natural 
surroundings, as found. He brings a mini-studio and enhances his subjects 
before shooting them.

Nothing wrong or unethical about that.

I am still puzzled what I said that makes you think I think he's a "bad guy"?

cheers,
frank 



"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Bob Sullivan 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?

Frank,
I believe that I talked to Charles at GFM this year.
He's not really the bad guy you make him out to be.
He did post an 'over the top' drops photo that won a prize,
but freely shared all his tricks the next year.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Well, I did actually ask the young lady if I could take a photo of her book, 
> coffee and muffin. That's more than I usually do...
>
> My reference with the backdrop and glycerin was (as some no doubt recognized) 
> a reference to a certain Mr. Brazwell (sp?), a perennial winner in the Nature 
> Photography Contest ay GFM. Brought along a little collapsing frame and 
> velvet backdrops of various colours, sprayed glycerine on flowers and leaves 
> for the "just after a rainfall" look and away he went; won every year. Shot 
> with Pentax for a while iirc. Was on this list for a while (may still lurk 
> for all I know).
>
> Lots of jealous people thought it was against the rules but it clearly wasn't.
>
> And it looked very good. He was very good at it - and I guess he still is. 
> Probably still goes to GFM (sadly I don't). Probably still wins. Mark? Doug? 
> Anyone else at GFM? Charles still around?
>
> So your scrim story reminded me of him.
>
> Easy to do in a forest, not so much in an urban setting.
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Bruce Walker 
> Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?
>
> My tongue was very firmly in my cheek when I suggested a lighting mod,
> Frank. But you knew that didn't you? :-)
>
> I had a crazy mental image of a woman settling in with her coffee and
> muffin when she's suddenly surrounded by technicians. Two guys are
> erecting a portable 4x8 foot scrim, one is spraying her food with
> glycerine. A makeup artist and hairstylist pounce and transform her.
> Finally Frank leans in, shoots a few frames, smiles at the woman and
> exits along with the assistants. Woman absently bites her muffin,
> grimaces and spits it out. Fade.
>
> Hey if Bruce Gilden can spring up and flash people in NY, why not?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> Not going to comment on the scrim. I takes my photos as I find 'em. 
>> Collapsible  scrims? What's next:  velvet backdrops and spray bottles of 
>> glycerin?
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Okay, on the gustatory issue: Please be aware that those are not my coffee 
>> or muffin. They belong to the hands of the lovely young lady at the next 
>> table.
>>
>> For me, generally speaking, espresso is a stand-alone beverage. No need for 
>> cake, cookies, pastry or sweets.
>> Like you I will have baked goods or pastry with a regular coffee. Not the 
>> chocolate chip muffin in the photo, however; it's not vegan.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Thanks for the comment and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
>> Christopher Hitchens
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>> From: Bruce Walker 
>> Sent: September 25, 2012 9/25/12
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?
>>
>> Ditto what Peter says. I do like the shot though.
>>
>> Next time you go there, Frank, take a collapsible scrim with you to
>> control the glare and let you raise the exposure so we can see the
>> muffin properly. I'll come with you if you need an assistant. Mmm,
>> chocolate.
>>
>> On a more technical note: don't you find that pairing a muffin with an
>> espresso means that you run out of liquid long before you finish the
>> muffin? It's usually three or four sips or one quick swallow and that
>> espresso is done.
>>
>> I'd rather have a cup of coffee with that chocolate muffin. With an
>> espresso, it should be a biscotti, I think.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at

RE: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?

2012-09-26 Thread Bob W
I know what you look like. The bloke on the train didn't look as miserable
as you.

After I posted that about the dream I thought about the Freudian
interpretation of dreaming about trains, pipes, and men with big bowler
hats, and decided I probably ought to get some therapy. Either that or start
going on Pride Parades dressed only in lederhosen and little downy, white
wings.

B

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> knarftheria...@gmail.com
> 
> That was me on the train smoking the pipe. You didn't know it was me
> because you never met me...
> 
> 
> From: Bob W 
> Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?
> 
> > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
> > Of Steven Desjardins
> >
> > Don't try it.  I took up the pipe when I quit cigarettes and got
> > hooked on it for 10 years.  Cigarettes taste pretty flat after a
> pipe.
> >
> 
> by a strange coincidence I dreamt last night that I was on a train and
> some guy in one of the seats near me lit a pipe and somehow managed to
> smoke it surreptitiously.
> 
> Then a very large and unpleasant Orangeman
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order) with tattoos of King Billy
> on his arm took my seat and wouldn't get out when I objected.
> 
> B



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Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?

2012-09-26 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank,
I believe that I talked to Charles at GFM this year.
He's not really the bad guy you make him out to be.
He did post an 'over the top' drops photo that won a prize,
but freely shared all his tricks the next year.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Well, I did actually ask the young lady if I could take a photo of her book, 
> coffee and muffin. That's more than I usually do...
>
> My reference with the backdrop and glycerin was (as some no doubt recognized) 
> a reference to a certain Mr. Brazwell (sp?), a perennial winner in the Nature 
> Photography Contest ay GFM. Brought along a little collapsing frame and 
> velvet backdrops of various colours, sprayed glycerine on flowers and leaves 
> for the "just after a rainfall" look and away he went; won every year. Shot 
> with Pentax for a while iirc. Was on this list for a while (may still lurk 
> for all I know).
>
> Lots of jealous people thought it was against the rules but it clearly wasn't.
>
> And it looked very good. He was very good at it - and I guess he still is. 
> Probably still goes to GFM (sadly I don't). Probably still wins. Mark? Doug? 
> Anyone else at GFM? Charles still around?
>
> So your scrim story reminded me of him.
>
> Easy to do in a forest, not so much in an urban setting.
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Bruce Walker 
> Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?
>
> My tongue was very firmly in my cheek when I suggested a lighting mod,
> Frank. But you knew that didn't you? :-)
>
> I had a crazy mental image of a woman settling in with her coffee and
> muffin when she's suddenly surrounded by technicians. Two guys are
> erecting a portable 4x8 foot scrim, one is spraying her food with
> glycerine. A makeup artist and hairstylist pounce and transform her.
> Finally Frank leans in, shoots a few frames, smiles at the woman and
> exits along with the assistants. Woman absently bites her muffin,
> grimaces and spits it out. Fade.
>
> Hey if Bruce Gilden can spring up and flash people in NY, why not?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> Not going to comment on the scrim. I takes my photos as I find 'em. 
>> Collapsible  scrims? What's next:  velvet backdrops and spray bottles of 
>> glycerin?
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Okay, on the gustatory issue: Please be aware that those are not my coffee 
>> or muffin. They belong to the hands of the lovely young lady at the next 
>> table.
>>
>> For me, generally speaking, espresso is a stand-alone beverage. No need for 
>> cake, cookies, pastry or sweets.
>> Like you I will have baked goods or pastry with a regular coffee. Not the 
>> chocolate chip muffin in the photo, however; it's not vegan.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Thanks for the comment and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
>> Christopher Hitchens
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>> From: Bruce Walker 
>> Sent: September 25, 2012 9/25/12
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?
>>
>> Ditto what Peter says. I do like the shot though.
>>
>> Next time you go there, Frank, take a collapsible scrim with you to
>> control the glare and let you raise the exposure so we can see the
>> muffin properly. I'll come with you if you need an assistant. Mmm,
>> chocolate.
>>
>> On a more technical note: don't you find that pairing a muffin with an
>> espresso means that you run out of liquid long before you finish the
>> muffin? It's usually three or four sips or one quick swallow and that
>> espresso is done.
>>
>> I'd rather have a cup of coffee with that chocolate muffin. With an
>> espresso, it should be a biscotti, I think.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:59 PM, P. J. Alling
>>  wrote:
>>> I assume that's chocolate, which is undeniably one of life's great
>>> pleasures.  However while the glare off the table can be forgiven, the
>>> blacks are too blocked to convey an inviting texture to the pastry and the
>>> coffee cup needs a bit more separation from it's shadow/reflection in the
>>> saucer . Aside from that the composition is quite pleasing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/24/2012 9:51 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I suppose there could be a huge debate on what life's greatest pleasures
 really are but a good book, a muffin and an espresso would be a
 consideration for me:


 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/09/lifes-greatest-pleasures.html?m=1

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

 Cheers,
 frank


 "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." --
 Christopher Hitchens
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Don't lose h

RE: PESO 2012 - Balda photos - GDG

2012-09-26 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Tim Bray
> 
> Nice shots, Mr G.
> 
> My Dad's original camera, and one I shot with for a few years as a kid,
> was a Balda "Baldini".  Here are some of its pictures, the oldest from
> 1953:
> 
> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/11/04/FSS
> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/11/25/FSS
> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/13/FSS
> 

that shot of the Meander River Trading Post is really nice. 1956, huh? I
might have been a foetus when that was taken.

B




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RE: GESO San Francisco Lindy Exchange:

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Didn't get all the way through them but there are some amazing photos in there. 
Obviously being a dancer yourself you know the timing and can anticipate the 
perfect moment to snap.

Wonderful stuff.

Perhaps you should have used a flash though...  

cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Larry Colen 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: GESO  San Francisco Lindy Exchange:

Here is my first cut at my 46 best photos from the Lindy Exchange about a week 
ago.  I've posted a few of these already:

http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631631427532/

I have a few examples that show why the K-5 is such an amazing camera:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8027991101/in/set-72157631631427532
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8027917037/in/set-72157631631427532

At first blush, these two shots seem a bit rough.  Consider that they were shot 
at 1/100 f/3.2 ISO 800

And  for example, this shot of the dancers, was shot at 1/30 f/1.8 ISO12,800: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8027915854  

The practical dynamic range of this camera continues to gobsmack me.  There 
wasn't enough light to easily photograph the dancers, and I'm pulling 
reasonable images of the dancers, while exposing for musicians under stage 
lights.


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RE: Peso Back yard jays

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
The second one is terrific.

The first one might be if the tip of the head weren't cut off.

Cheers, 
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: David J Brooks 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
To: Pentax Discuss , Petch Dianne , 
Barbara Brooks , Harry Bolton , David 
Button , Darryl Button 
Subject: Peso Back yard jays

Hey all

Its been a while since the jays have been in abundance in the back
yard. We have gone from two to about six or seven, so i got the K-5
out Tuesday.


Up, up and a way:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485834

You started with out me.??
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485835

K-5, D FA 50-200 AF360 -0.5 fill

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Re: PESO - Worn Down - A Self Portrait

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Don't worry, I always listen to my doctors.

;-)

And I always let Judy wait on me when she insists.

;-)

Thanks to all for the comments. As I said earlier I was just surprised at how 
miserable I looked. I know I was pretty cranky on Sunday but I had no idea how 
everything was being shown on my face.

Now I need to take a happy self portrait to balance it out.

;-)

cheers,
frank

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--- Original Message ---

From: Ann Sanfedele 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Worn Down - A Self Portrait





On 9/26/2012 18:27, David J Brooks wrote:
> Thats quite good Frank. Orther than the magenta cast.
Don't see Magenta cast on my nice new monitor...
just blown-out finger..

Kinda reminds me
> of Saturday morning at GFM:-)
>
> Dave
Oh, yeah... I remember that look too!
But he wasn't in quite such pain back then...

Frank, just be good and do what doc says and let
Judy wait on you

ann



>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:44 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> I was at Jet Fuel cafe in Toronto on Sunday morning. A friend of mine just 
>> got a Samsung Galaxy S III and we were comparing it to my S II. I was 
>> fooling around with mine a bit and "flipped" the camera around and took my 
>> own photo.
>>
>> Didn't think much of it until I looked at it again tonight. This was after 
>> two sleepless, painful nights since my accident. I am shocked at how bad I 
>> looked:
>>
>>   
>> http://www.photoshop.com/users/knarftheriault/assets/789af21513e448b5927d53aebf499270
>>
>>   *http://tinyurl.com/8moy833*
>>
>> Can't imagine what having a chronic ailment must do to a person.
>>
>> I have been told that sometimes the subjects of my street photos are not 
>> portrayed in a good light. I guess part of me wants to show that I can do 
>> the same for myself when I am down in the dumps.
>>
>> Don't worry though. Feeling much better now. A proper diagnosis and knowing 
>> what I am dealing with (along with a sling for my arm!) have alleviated the 
>> pain considerably.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
>>
>>
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RE: PESO Ford

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Like the fourth one best. Those orange highlights are weird but oddly work well 
with the black or grey matt.

Well shot.

Cheers,
frank

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From: Larry Colen 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
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Subject: PESO Ford

Between rescuing two damsels in distress today, I took a few shots of this 
relic parked in front of the thrift store in downtown Felton:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8025866914/

set of 4: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631626251196/
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Re: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread Jack Davis
Sorry to read this, Paul. I feel I can put myself in your predicament.  I can't 
relate a like story, but I can sense and understand your disappointment with 
the failure of such a faithful tool.
Hope it's back soon and ready to provide another 20,000 beautiful frames.

Jack 
 

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Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must be 
about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail on an 
expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back I 
started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and turning 
the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple assignments, 
so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather started to get 
bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely. Couldn't get a shot off. 
That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have another lens between 135 and 
400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I get in the 200 to 250 range. 
But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400. That 400 is getting harder to 
focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames of each shot, refocusing after 
every couple. Should have hung onto the DA 50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to 
help cover the cost of the DA* lens.

In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the kind of 
ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.

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Re: GESO Tasha and Friends -- the rest of the story

2012-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
Did they shoot it with DSLRs?  Great Gallery.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> The wrap party must have been amazing.
>
> ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Bruce Walker 
> Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
> To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List 
> Subject: GESO Tasha and Friends -- the rest of the story
>
> If you enjoyed my "Tasha and Friend" PESO Saturday, then here's just
> the gallery for you ...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157631606597351/
>
> I was freely roaming the production set (a producer's basement) of
> this indie horror/comedy/puppet movie scheduled for 2013 release.
>
> This flick is coming from the same team that created "The Post-Lifers"
> (2011), a zombie mockumentary that's touring all the indie film
> festivals this year. If you can, I urge you to see it. It's hilarious
> and really, really well done. Here's their IMDB & Facebook pages:
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2133348/
> https://www.facebook.com/thepostlifers
> http://postlifeproductions.ca/
>
>
> All gallery shots: K20D, mostly DA*55/1.4, a few DA*16-50/2.8. Post in
> Lightroom 4.1.
>
> Comments welcome.
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Re: Peso Back yard jays

2012-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
It looks like he stepped backwards and fell off.  Great shot.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>
>
> On 9/26/2012 20:58, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> I like "You started without me." Fun stuff.
>> Paul
>
> me too!
> ann
>
>
>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:44 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all
>>>
>>> Its been a while since the jays have been in abundance in the back
>>> yard. We have gone from two to about six or seven, so i got the K-5
>>> out Tuesday.
>>>
>>>
>>> Up, up and a way:
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485834
>>>
>>> You started with out me.??
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485835
>>>
>>> K-5, D FA 50-200 AF360 -0.5 fill
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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Re: Mileage on a K5 shutter

2012-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
Yikes.  That's an expensive malfunction.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:21 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> Just curious, Dave.  What way did you deviate from the average.
>
> My D2H shutter blew up at around 4000
>
> Dave
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback folks.  I decided not pursue this particular
>> used K5.  I may wait and see what "you're the beta tester" problesm
>> will arise with the new K5 II and K30 and then buy later  ;-)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:28 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:29 AM, David Parsons  
>>> wrote:
 About 13% of the nominal rated life of the shutter.

 The rated life 100,000 actuations.  Like any other rating, it's an
 average, and not a countdown to failure.
>>>
>>> Tell that to my D2H:-)
>>>
>>> Dave

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> Looking at a used K5 with 13K actuations on the shutter.  In good
> shape other wise.  How much wear is this, really?
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Re: "student" cameras still film?

2012-09-26 Thread David Parsons
What gets me about those listings is that they usually over $100 in
the Boston area.  A 35 year old camera that regularly goes for $125.
I stopped looking for Pentax on CL because it's so ridiculous.

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> I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for
> sale as "student" cameras.  Question is are they still using
> film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in
> high schools and colleges?  Seems like a basic DSLR would be
> more appropriate in today's day and age.
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Re: "student" cameras still film?

2012-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
We have two sections of film photography each at W&L.  They use the
two 8 person darkrooms.  They always fill up. They use a lot of Pentax
film camera, two of which I donated.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Bong Manayon  wrote:
> There are two programs in the school I teach in
> (http://www.dls-csb.edu.ph); one is a multi-media arts program (MMA) a
> sort of generic track and a photography specific (AB Photo) program.
> The MMA has long gone digital but has a black and white photo elective
> (which I teach).  The AB Photo has a Alternative Processing subject
> which taught salt paper prints, albumen then we recently incorporated
> black & white into it since that is now "alternative" given that
> digital is mainstream.  There is also large format photography.
>
> Right now we are suffering from a shortage of black and white film,
> our only supplier is Fuji and someone from another school bought the
> existing 35mm stock (I managed to buy a bulk of the 120).  Wet
> printing is done for demo purposes since the quality of paper we have
> here is iffy.  For final plates and exhibits we go hybrid and scan the
> negatives.
>
> "Student" film cameras is a sliding issue since most have DSLRs to
> begin with and may dabble only in film cam for a particular subject
> (we have Nikon loaners--all in bad shape).  Eventually some actually
> discover film and invest in their own; but in the meantime I have a
> group of students bringing their Dianas...
>
> Bong
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> While my niece was taking photography in high-school (2 years) they
>> gave them 35mm film cameras (I don't know what make). The curriculum
>> was big on old-school methods and basics. They even did stuff like
>> photograms.
>>
>> As far as I know they did not graduate to digital cameras. The niece
>> has one though, as I made sure of that. I very nice K-x. :-)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
>>> I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for
>>> sale as "student" cameras.  Question is are they still using
>>> film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in
>>> high schools and colleges?  Seems like a basic DSLR would be
>>> more appropriate in today's day and age.
>>>
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Re: PESO - From a Position of Power

2012-09-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele

yeah...!

ann

On 9/26/2012 22:15, frank theriault wrote:

Having a camera downtown during the week is fun:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/09/from-position-of-power.html

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Re: PESO - From a Position of Power

2012-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
Why do I feel like I'm in trouble when I see those two?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
> The upper gentleman looks very, very serious.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:15 PM, frank theriault
>  wrote:
>> Having a camera downtown during the week is fun:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/09/from-position-of-power.html
>>
>> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>>
>> cheers,
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Re: PESO - From a Position of Power

2012-09-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
The upper gentleman looks very, very serious.

Dan Matyola
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> Having a camera downtown during the week is fun:
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> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/09/from-position-of-power.html
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Re: Peso Back yard jays

2012-09-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 9/26/2012 20:58, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I like "You started without me." Fun stuff.
Paul

me too!
ann


On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:44 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:


Hey all

Its been a while since the jays have been in abundance in the back
yard. We have gone from two to about six or seven, so i got the K-5
out Tuesday.


Up, up and a way:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485834

You started with out me.??
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485835

K-5, D FA 50-200 AF360 -0.5 fill

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PESO - From a Position of Power

2012-09-26 Thread frank theriault
Having a camera downtown during the week is fun:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/09/from-position-of-power.html

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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Tim Bray
O boy O boy, a chance to talk about storage strategies.  Thanks to
those who outlined theirs, there was some thought-provoking stuff in
there.  Here’s mine.

I have a folder named “Current” on my small fast SSD boot disk.  I
have a hierarchy /-MM on a big slow old-fashioned disk drive.

I always import into Current on the small fast boot disk.  That’s
where they live while I’m actually working on them, discarding duds,
etc.  When there are several months worth of photos built up there, I
run through the oldest couple of months, do a quick keywording pass,
and move them (with Lightroom, so it can keep the catalog pointers
right) into the appropriate /-MM.  Keywording is definitely
faster when you do a few hundred in a row, the Lr keyword picker
remembers what you’ve been using.

Not claiming it’d work for anyone else, but it sure is easy to
understand and remember.  -T

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>
> Finally, after years of using Picasa, IrfanView and a few Photoshop plugins,
> I finally decided to break down and get some decent image editing software
> for my new setup. It's definitely going to take a while to get comfortable
> with it. I've checked out a few of the tutorial videos at the Adobe website,
> which were reasonably helpful, and wonder if anyone can suggest some others
> that would be worth taking a look at.
>
> Any suggestions, tips, and/or advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Walt
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Re: DA 35 & DA 55-300 on film

2012-09-26 Thread Bong Manayon
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> Nice pix!  Maybe a little dark? -T

Are they?  Can someone confirm?  I just bought a new monitor and have
not gotten use to it (Viewsonic LED).

Btw, thank you all for your comments.

Cheers!

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Re: "student" cameras still film?

2012-09-26 Thread Bong Manayon
There are two programs in the school I teach in
(http://www.dls-csb.edu.ph); one is a multi-media arts program (MMA) a
sort of generic track and a photography specific (AB Photo) program.
The MMA has long gone digital but has a black and white photo elective
(which I teach).  The AB Photo has a Alternative Processing subject
which taught salt paper prints, albumen then we recently incorporated
black & white into it since that is now "alternative" given that
digital is mainstream.  There is also large format photography.

Right now we are suffering from a shortage of black and white film,
our only supplier is Fuji and someone from another school bought the
existing 35mm stock (I managed to buy a bulk of the 120).  Wet
printing is done for demo purposes since the quality of paper we have
here is iffy.  For final plates and exhibits we go hybrid and scan the
negatives.

"Student" film cameras is a sliding issue since most have DSLRs to
begin with and may dabble only in film cam for a particular subject
(we have Nikon loaners--all in bad shape).  Eventually some actually
discover film and invest in their own; but in the meantime I have a
group of students bringing their Dianas...

Bong

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> While my niece was taking photography in high-school (2 years) they
> gave them 35mm film cameras (I don't know what make). The curriculum
> was big on old-school methods and basics. They even did stuff like
> photograms.
>
> As far as I know they did not graduate to digital cameras. The niece
> has one though, as I made sure of that. I very nice K-x. :-)
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
>> I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for
>> sale as "student" cameras.  Question is are they still using
>> film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in
>> high schools and colleges?  Seems like a basic DSLR would be
>> more appropriate in today's day and age.
>>
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Re: DA 35 & DA 55-300 on film

2012-09-26 Thread Tim Bray
Nice pix!  Maybe a little dark? -T

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Bong Manayon  wrote:
> Delurking...
>
> For the full frame monger: I used a DA 35/2.4 AL & a DA 55-300/4-5.8
> ED on a film camera (MZ-3+Ilford XP-2).
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/sets/72157631620661628/
>
> The backstory: went shooting with my kids.  When my daughter got tired
> and the light was getting too low for the FA 28-105 on the MZ-3, I
> swapped her DA 35.  Surprised with how it worked; the next day I went
> out with the DA 55-300.
>
> So there.
>
> Back lurking...
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Re: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Autofocus is fine for shooting cars off a tripod, which is my most critical 
work. It's not hard to lock onto a headlight or bumper edge. I shot a group of 
executive portraits for a consulting company last week and used the DA( 50-135, 
focusing on the close eye with a single point. Almost all were critically sharp 
at full magnification. Missed maybe 2 or 3 out of about 100 frames.

i think you're correct about the 400/5.6 being particularly difficult to focus 
with the small wide-open stop. I'll have to dig out my K series 85/1.8 and 
shoot some pics of Grace in the studio. I'll see if my tired old right eye can 
still manage. I do get enough diopter correction to get a sharp focusing 
screen, but I'm not sure that's all that's involved.

Paul
On Sep 26, 2012, at 9:05 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:

> I think the A400/f5.6 is an exception, because its so slow. I even have
> trouble with mine. Most of my MF SMCK lenses are shorter and faster like
> F2.8 or faster, making them easy to MF. Having a split image screen doesnt
> hurt either. I just dont like AF, it misses too much or hunts too long
> ruining the decisive moment. I will concede AF is better for fast action
> where its impossible to keep up manually focusing, but thats a special case.
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul
> Stenquist
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:56 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.
> 
> What Bruce said. Forty years ago I could manual focus any lens, every time.
> I could even pull focus on a car moving toward me. But eyes wear out faster
> than old manual lenses. I had a heck of a time focusing the 400 yesterday,
> particularly when working from my knees with the camera on a low tripod.
> Manual focus is largely in my past. 
> Paul
> 
> On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Nothing tricky to go wrong? Yes there is: the gel-filled lenses in
>> your head. That's part of my issue and why I don't do much successful
>> manual focussing. I'd be in trouble without AF.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
>>> This is one of the reasons I like my prime SMCK MF lenses.
>>> Nothing tricky to go wrong, still going strong after 35 yrs.
>>> Sorry to hear your having problems with your newish lens...
>>> -
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>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Paul
>>> Stenquist
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.
>>> 
>>> The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must
> be
>>> about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail
> on
>>> an expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back
> I
>>> started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and
> turning
>>> the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple
>>> assignments, so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather
>>> started to get bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely.
> Couldn't
>>> get a shot off. That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have
> another
>>> lens between 135 and 400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I
> get
>>> in the 200 to 250 range. But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400.
> That
>>> 400 is getting harder to focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames
> of
>>> each shot, refocusing after every couple. Should have hung onto the DA
>>> 50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to help cover the cost of the DA* lens.
>>> 
>>> In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the
> kind
>>> of ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.
>>> 
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Re: PESO 2012 - Balda photos - GDG

2012-09-26 Thread Tim Bray
Nice shots, Mr G.

My Dad's original camera, and one I shot with for a few years as a
kid, was a Balda “Baldini”.  Here are some of its pictures, the oldest
from 1953:

http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/11/04/FSS
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/11/25/FSS
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/13/FSS

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> I've been itching to take the old Balda (1955ish Baldix 6x6 folder) for a 
> walk since it arrived, finally had a chance to do so over the weekend.
>
> I loaded it with Fuji Acros 100 for testing. I made a loading mistake this 
> first time which cost me one frame out of the twelve. I know what I did wrong 
> so I'll not do that one again.
>
> Otherwise, the camera performed very nicely other than for opening it. The 
> lens standard mechanism is sticky and I think there's something bent or 
> slightly out of alignment in it. It opens and snaps into place properly, 
> eventually, but it takes a lot of careful fussing to make that happen. I'll 
> bring it by the camera repair shop and see what Fred can do to massage it. 
> Otherwise, the lens seems good, the shutter seems pretty accurate and the 
> images have that lovely vintage look to them ... I felt good about posting a 
> couple:
>
> #2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8019828444/lightbox
>
> #6: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8019827304/lightbox
>
> It's a lot of fun to let go of all the bits and bytes with a camera like 
> this. And I still love the look of 6x6 photographs.
>
> Thanks for looking! Comments are always appreciated.
>
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RE: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Since I have turned 50, my near range vision is no longer any good
and I need reading glasses or bifocals now for reading, but fortunately my
infinity vision (which is what a camera finder requires) is still 20-20 so I
dont have any problem MF focusing even without glasses at this point.

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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walt
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:10 PM
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Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

Maybe I need to start setting aside some money for a future Lasik 
procedure. I truly dread the day when my eyeballs finally betray me.

(Not that they haven't before, but it usually only happens around 
closing time.)

-- Walt

On 9/26/2012 7:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> What Bruce said. Forty years ago I could manual focus any lens, every
time. I could even pull focus on a car moving toward me. But eyes wear out
faster than old manual lenses. I had a heck of a time focusing the 400
yesterday, particularly when working from my knees with the camera on a low
tripod. Manual focus is largely in my past.
> Paul
>
> On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
>> Nothing tricky to go wrong? Yes there is: the gel-filled lenses in
>> your head. That's part of my issue and why I don't do much successful
>> manual focussing. I'd be in trouble without AF.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell 
wrote:
>>> This is one of the reasons I like my prime SMCK MF lenses.
>>> Nothing tricky to go wrong, still going strong after 35 yrs.
>>> Sorry to hear your having problems with your newish lens...
>>> -
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>>> hifis...@gate.net
>>> -
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Paul
>>> Stenquist
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.
>>>
>>> The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must
be
>>> about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever
fail on
>>> an expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks
back I
>>> started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and
turning
>>> the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple
>>> assignments, so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the
weather
>>> started to get bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely.
Couldn't
>>> get a shot off. That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have
another
>>> lens between 135 and 400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I
get
>>> in the 200 to 250 range. But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400.
That
>>> 400 is getting harder to focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames
of
>>> each shot, refocusing after every couple. Should have hung onto the DA
>>> 50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to help cover the cost of the DA* lens.
>>>
>>> In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the
kind
>>> of ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.
>>>
>>> Paul
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Re: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread Walt
Maybe I need to start setting aside some money for a future Lasik 
procedure. I truly dread the day when my eyeballs finally betray me.


(Not that they haven't before, but it usually only happens around 
closing time.)


-- Walt

On 9/26/2012 7:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

What Bruce said. Forty years ago I could manual focus any lens, every time. I 
could even pull focus on a car moving toward me. But eyes wear out faster than 
old manual lenses. I had a heck of a time focusing the 400 yesterday, 
particularly when working from my knees with the camera on a low tripod. Manual 
focus is largely in my past.
Paul

On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:


Nothing tricky to go wrong? Yes there is: the gel-filled lenses in
your head. That's part of my issue and why I don't do much successful
manual focussing. I'd be in trouble without AF.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:

This is one of the reasons I like my prime SMCK MF lenses.
Nothing tricky to go wrong, still going strong after 35 yrs.
Sorry to hear your having problems with your newish lens...
-
J.C.O'Connell
hifis...@gate.net
-

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Stenquist
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must be
about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail on
an expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back I
started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and turning
the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple
assignments, so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather
started to get bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely. Couldn't
get a shot off. That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have another
lens between 135 and 400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I get
in the 200 to 250 range. But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400. That
400 is getting harder to focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames of
each shot, refocusing after every couple. Should have hung onto the DA
50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to help cover the cost of the DA* lens.

In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the kind
of ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.

Paul
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Re: Peso Back yard jays

2012-09-26 Thread Walt
Bluejays, for all their aggression, are really handsome birds. "You 
Started Without Me?" captures them very nicely.


Have you considered hanging some fake ivy over the brickwork to give it 
a more "natural" look when you're shooting the jays? I think it might 
add a little something to your images, so long as it looks relatively 
realistic.


-- Walt


On 9/26/2012 7:44 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Hey all

Its been a while since the jays have been in abundance in the back
yard. We have gone from two to about six or seven, so i got the K-5
out Tuesday.


Up, up and a way:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485834

You started with out me.??
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485835

K-5, D FA 50-200 AF360 -0.5 fill

Dave




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RE: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
I think the A400/f5.6 is an exception, because its so slow. I even have
trouble with mine. Most of my MF SMCK lenses are shorter and faster like
F2.8 or faster, making them easy to MF. Having a split image screen doesnt
hurt either. I just dont like AF, it misses too much or hunts too long
ruining the decisive moment. I will concede AF is better for fast action
where its impossible to keep up manually focusing, but thats a special case.

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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Stenquist
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:56 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

What Bruce said. Forty years ago I could manual focus any lens, every time.
I could even pull focus on a car moving toward me. But eyes wear out faster
than old manual lenses. I had a heck of a time focusing the 400 yesterday,
particularly when working from my knees with the camera on a low tripod.
Manual focus is largely in my past. 
Paul

On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Nothing tricky to go wrong? Yes there is: the gel-filled lenses in
> your head. That's part of my issue and why I don't do much successful
> manual focussing. I'd be in trouble without AF.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
>> This is one of the reasons I like my prime SMCK MF lenses.
>> Nothing tricky to go wrong, still going strong after 35 yrs.
>> Sorry to hear your having problems with your newish lens...
>> -
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>> hifis...@gate.net
>> -
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Paul
>> Stenquist
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.
>> 
>> The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must
be
>> about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail
on
>> an expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back
I
>> started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and
turning
>> the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple
>> assignments, so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather
>> started to get bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely.
Couldn't
>> get a shot off. That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have
another
>> lens between 135 and 400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I
get
>> in the 200 to 250 range. But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400.
That
>> 400 is getting harder to focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames
of
>> each shot, refocusing after every couple. Should have hung onto the DA
>> 50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to help cover the cost of the DA* lens.
>> 
>> In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the
kind
>> of ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.
>> 
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Re: Peso Back yard jays

2012-09-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
I like "You started without me." Fun stuff.
Paul
On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:44 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> Hey all
> 
> Its been a while since the jays have been in abundance in the back
> yard. We have gone from two to about six or seven, so i got the K-5
> out Tuesday.
> 
> 
> Up, up and a way:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485834
> 
> You started with out me.??
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16485835
> 
> K-5, D FA 50-200 AF360 -0.5 fill
> 
> Dave
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Re: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
What Bruce said. Forty years ago I could manual focus any lens, every time. I 
could even pull focus on a car moving toward me. But eyes wear out faster than 
old manual lenses. I had a heck of a time focusing the 400 yesterday, 
particularly when working from my knees with the camera on a low tripod. Manual 
focus is largely in my past. 
Paul

On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Nothing tricky to go wrong? Yes there is: the gel-filled lenses in
> your head. That's part of my issue and why I don't do much successful
> manual focussing. I'd be in trouble without AF.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
>> This is one of the reasons I like my prime SMCK MF lenses.
>> Nothing tricky to go wrong, still going strong after 35 yrs.
>> Sorry to hear your having problems with your newish lens...
>> -
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul
>> Stenquist
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.
>> 
>> The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must be
>> about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail on
>> an expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back I
>> started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and turning
>> the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple
>> assignments, so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather
>> started to get bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely. Couldn't
>> get a shot off. That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have another
>> lens between 135 and 400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I get
>> in the 200 to 250 range. But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400. That
>> 400 is getting harder to focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames of
>> each shot, refocusing after every couple. Should have hung onto the DA
>> 50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to help cover the cost of the DA* lens.
>> 
>> In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the kind
>> of ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.
>> 
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RE: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

2012-09-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Nice photos and car but the car would look better with stock rims/hubcaps on
it. Im not a fan of big wheels on vintage autos...

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Thanks Bob. And thanks to all who commented or had a look.
Paul
On Sep 26, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Paul,
> Thanks for the extra info on the car.  That's a great shot.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:
>> Shot a car today at what is left of the Packard Proving
>> grounds in Shelby, Michigan:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483795
>> 
>> The car was a 1959 Chrysler Imperial two-seat roadster -- a car that
never exacted, save in one man's fantasy. The proving ground venue just
happened to be handy and aesthetically a nice match for the car. Here it is
in front of the old Packard garage:

>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483792&size=lg
>> 
>> And smoking the hides on the remains of the Packard test track, which was
once a 2 1/2- mile oval (if memory serves me). All that remains is a few
hundred feet of track and guardrail:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483794&size=lg
>> 
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Re: Autographer (wearable camera) - not entirely OT

2012-09-26 Thread Bruce Walker
At $650 US to buy one, it will be a similar cult to the Leica one, I'd say.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> The ultimate "spray and pray" approach.  I'm sure it's bound to get
> some nice shots.  Obviously not for me; taking the shots is my hobby.
> I doubt it will supplant cell phone cameras, and most people are not
> going to want to go through all those shots.  Could be a cult thing, I
> guess.
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> Don't know what I really think of this:
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/24/omg-life-creates-autographer-wearable-automatic-camera
>> but I saw it shortly after viewing this neat instructional video
>> http://cinematography-howto.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-time-lapse-video-with-dslr-and-intervalometer-269678/
>> and it gave me an idea:
>>
>> It would be interesting to wear the Pentax Q around one's neck and
>> just have it set to take images with its built-in intervalometer while
>> walking around the streets or something (hands-off). People would
>> pretty much ignore a camera that doesn't have the wearer's hands on
>> it. This idea would work for any camera with a built-in intervalometer
>> (like the K-5) but it think it probably becomes a little more
>> problematic (in multiple ways) to handle the larger the camera in this
>> way. The built-in intervalometer can take up to 999 images, so you'd
>> have to do the math to determine how often to have it take a photo for
>> the length of time you wanted it to "run" (also your card capacity and
>> whether you were shooting JPEG or RAW/+).
>>
>> Another (related) idea would be to use this to create time-lapse video
>> from still shots. Imagine walking through a crowded rush hour city
>> sidewalk and into a cafe shooting this way at 1 image every 3 seconds.
>> That's 20 frames per minute and if you put that together (for example
>> in QuickTime Pro) at 20 fps you have a 1 minute of real life = 1
>> second of your time-lapse video. 1 hour of real life = 1 minute of
>> time-lapse video.
>>
>> Think this is dumb or does it have merit?
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RE: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Id be in trouble without MF.

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-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Bruce Walker
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:40 PM
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Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

Nothing tricky to go wrong? Yes there is: the gel-filled lenses in
your head. That's part of my issue and why I don't do much successful
manual focussing. I'd be in trouble without AF.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> This is one of the reasons I like my prime SMCK MF lenses.
> Nothing tricky to go wrong, still going strong after 35 yrs.
> Sorry to hear your having problems with your newish lens...
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Paul
> Stenquist
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.
>
> The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must be
> about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail
on
> an expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back
I
> started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and
turning
> the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple
> assignments, so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather
> started to get bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely.
Couldn't
> get a shot off. That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have another
> lens between 135 and 400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I get
> in the 200 to 250 range. But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400. That
> 400 is getting harder to focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames
of
> each shot, refocusing after every couple. Should have hung onto the DA
> 50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to help cover the cost of the DA* lens.
>
> In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the
kind
> of ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.
>
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RE: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
you could also buy a 200 or 250mm F4 prime as a backup to fill the 
gap between 135 and 400. Pentax 200mm F4 prime are cheap. I think
vivitar made a 250mm F4.5 which is also cheap. If you must have a 
zoom there was a tokina at-x 100-300 F4 that is superb. Cost more than
a prime though.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30 PM
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Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must be
about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail on
an expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back I
started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and turning
the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple
assignments, so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather
started to get bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely. Couldn't
get a shot off. That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have another
lens between 135 and 400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I get
in the 200 to 250 range. But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400. That
400 is getting harder to focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames of
each shot, refocusing after every couple. Should have hung onto the DA
50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to help cover the cost of the DA* lens.

In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the kind
of ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.

Paul
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Re: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Nothing tricky to go wrong? Yes there is: the gel-filled lenses in
your head. That's part of my issue and why I don't do much successful
manual focussing. I'd be in trouble without AF.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> This is one of the reasons I like my prime SMCK MF lenses.
> Nothing tricky to go wrong, still going strong after 35 yrs.
> Sorry to hear your having problems with your newish lens...
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> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul
> Stenquist
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.
>
> The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must be
> about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail on
> an expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back I
> started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and turning
> the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple
> assignments, so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather
> started to get bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely. Couldn't
> get a shot off. That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have another
> lens between 135 and 400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I get
> in the 200 to 250 range. But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400. That
> 400 is getting harder to focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames of
> each shot, refocusing after every couple. Should have hung onto the DA
> 50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to help cover the cost of the DA* lens.
>
> In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the kind
> of ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.
>
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Re: "student" cameras still film?

2012-09-26 Thread Bruce Walker
While my niece was taking photography in high-school (2 years) they
gave them 35mm film cameras (I don't know what make). The curriculum
was big on old-school methods and basics. They even did stuff like
photograms.

As far as I know they did not graduate to digital cameras. The niece
has one though, as I made sure of that. I very nice K-x. :-)


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for
> sale as "student" cameras.  Question is are they still using
> film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in
> high schools and colleges?  Seems like a basic DSLR would be
> more appropriate in today's day and age.
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RE: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
This is one of the reasons I like my prime SMCK MF lenses.
Nothing tricky to go wrong, still going strong after 35 yrs.
Sorry to hear your having problems with your newish lens...
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Stenquist
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must be
about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail on
an expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back I
started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and turning
the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple
assignments, so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather
started to get bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely. Couldn't
get a shot off. That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have another
lens between 135 and 400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I get
in the 200 to 250 range. But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400. That
400 is getting harder to focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames of
each shot, refocusing after every couple. Should have hung onto the DA
50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to help cover the cost of the DA* lens.

In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the kind
of ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.

Paul
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DA* 60-250 to C.R.I.S.

2012-09-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
The SDM motor of my workhorse lens seems to have failed after what must be 
about 20,000 frames. Not too bad, although I guess it shouldn't ever fail on an 
expensive lens that is marketed as a premium product. A few weeks back I 
started getting intermittent focus failures. Unmounting the lens and turning 
the focus barrel manually would wake it up again. I had a couple assignments, 
so I held onto it, figuring I'd send it out when the weather started to get 
bad. But at yesterday's shoot it failed completely. Couldn't get a shot off. 
That was inconvenient as hell, since I didn't have another lens between 135 and 
400, and the Mopar Action editor likes the look I get in the 200 to 250 range. 
But I made do with the 50-135 and the A 400. That 400 is getting harder to 
focus as my eyes age, so I shot numerous frames of each shot, refocusing after 
every couple. Should have hung onto the DA 50-200 as a spare, but I sold it to 
help cover the cost of the DA* lens.

In any case, I hope C.R.I.S. has the part. Don't want to go through the kind of 
ordeal that accompanied my K-5 repair in July.

Paul
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Re: Mileage on a K5 shutter

2012-09-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Just curious, Dave.  What way did you deviate from the average.

My D2H shutter blew up at around 4000

Dave
>
> Thanks for the feedback folks.  I decided not pursue this particular
> used K5.  I may wait and see what "you're the beta tester" problesm
> will arise with the new K5 II and K30 and then buy later  ;-)
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:28 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:29 AM, David Parsons  
>> wrote:
>>> About 13% of the nominal rated life of the shutter.
>>>
>>> The rated life 100,000 actuations.  Like any other rating, it's an
>>> average, and not a countdown to failure.
>>
>> Tell that to my D2H:-)
>>
>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Steven Desjardins  
>>> wrote:
 Looking at a used K5 with 13K actuations on the shutter.  In good
 shape other wise.  How much wear is this, really?

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Re: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

2012-09-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Bob. And thanks to all who commented or had a look.
Paul
On Sep 26, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Paul,
> Thanks for the extra info on the car.  That's a great shot.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Shot a car today at what is left of the Packard Proving
>> grounds in Shelby, Michigan:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483795
>> 
>> The car was a 1959 Chrysler Imperial two-seat roadster -- a car that never 
>> exacted, save in one man's fantasy. The proving ground venue just happened 
>> to be handy and aesthetically a nice match for the car. Here it is in front 
>> of the old Packard garage:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483792&size=lg
>> 
>> And smoking the hides on the remains of the Packard test track, which was 
>> once a 2 1/2- mile oval (if memory serves me). All that remains is a few 
>> hundred feet of track and guardrail:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483794&size=lg
>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO - Worn Down - A Self Portrait

2012-09-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele





On 9/26/2012 18:27, David J Brooks wrote:

Thats quite good Frank. Orther than the magenta cast.

Don't see Magenta cast on my nice new monitor...
just blown-out finger..

Kinda reminds me

of Saturday morning at GFM:-)

Dave

Oh, yeah... I remember that look too!
But he wasn't in quite such pain back then...

Frank, just be good and do what doc says and let
Judy wait on you

ann





On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:44 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:

I was at Jet Fuel cafe in Toronto on Sunday morning. A friend of mine just got a Samsung 
Galaxy S III and we were comparing it to my S II. I was fooling around with mine a bit 
and "flipped" the camera around and took my own photo.

Didn't think much of it until I looked at it again tonight. This was after two 
sleepless, painful nights since my accident. I am shocked at how bad I looked:

  
http://www.photoshop.com/users/knarftheriault/assets/789af21513e448b5927d53aebf499270

  *http://tinyurl.com/8moy833*

Can't imagine what having a chronic ailment must do to a person.

I have been told that sometimes the subjects of my street photos are not 
portrayed in a good light. I guess part of me wants to show that I can do the 
same for myself when I am down in the dumps.

Don't worry though. Feeling much better now. A proper diagnosis and knowing 
what I am dealing with (along with a sling for my arm!) have alleviated the 
pain considerably.

:-)

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Re: GPS menu on RAW/Fx button (was: Annoying glitch)

2012-09-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 September 2012 20:56, Jan van Wijk  wrote:

> Good find!
>
>>I just checked, and setting raw/fx to astrotracer is actually useful

Yeah, great tip, thanks

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Re: a legendary FA 35 f/2 AL...

2012-09-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 September 2012 04:06, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Regarding the $2000 Pentax-A* 135mm f1.8. Some say it is one of the 4
> or 5 best lenses Pentax has ever made, but I would love to see a
> comparison between it and the K 135mm f2.5 (or the same optics in the
> S-M-C Takumar 135mm f2.5 (version 2). *That* is a stellar lens (albeit
> without "A" functionality) that is a FRACTION of the weight and cost.

Having owned the Pentax-A* 135mm f1.8 and the K 135mm f2.5
concurrently along side the V Lanthar 125/2.5 I can confidently say
that the Lanthar was better than the f1.8 wide open and the f1.8 at
any aperture did not perform as well as the Lanthar. And at f1.8 the
contrast and resolution was so poor that it was little point using it
at that stop. The K2.5 was a nice lens but even stopped down had
inferior resolution to the other lenses. I think that the Pentax-A*
135mm f1.8's legendary status is more to do with its relative rarity
than its actual real world performance.

I only still own the Lanthar, I couldn't justify retaining the other two lenses.

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Re: "student" cameras still film?

2012-09-26 Thread Paul Ewins
I'm studying part-time at a college equivalent level and they have been all 
digital here for around five years. I think the darkrooms became extra studio 
space.

According to the lecturers the biggest downside is the loss of the contact 
sheet. With students shooting hundreds of frames a week the lecturers can only 
view what the students think is worth seeing and potentially interesting images 
may get left behind because the student can't see the value in them. With a 
couple of contact sheets they can see all of the work quite quickly.

In every other respect digital makes life easier and the learning quicker, 
except of course for that whole Photoshop thing.

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia


 
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> I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for
> sale as "student" cameras.  Question is are they still using
> film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in
> high schools and colleges?  Seems like a basic DSLR would be
> more appropriate in today's day and age.
> 
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"student" cameras still film?

2012-09-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
I still see film cameras like the K1000 and MX listed for
sale as "student" cameras.  Question is are they still using
film cameras rather than digital in photography classes in
high schools and colleges?  Seems like a basic DSLR would be
more appropriate in today's day and age.

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RE: Elizabeth Street Gallery

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Love them all (as I always do) but especially the first one and the photo of 
the children looking at the bunnies hanging by their ears. They'll have 
nightmares about that for years, followed by decades of therapy but it's a 
great shot!

cheers,
frank

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From: Derby Chang 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
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Subject: Elizabeth Street Gallery


I got a quick heads-up on this last week before the Art and About 
opening. Only had a bit of time to grab a snap 
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_09/12_09_sydneylife/01.htm) 
but looking at it in better light it is outstanding. Entertaining vid up 
on the 'tube this week. Andrew Quilty is the man. Amazing family the 
Quiltys (I use to work with on of his cousins)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwGm9ZGPcHc

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GESO San Francisco Lindy Exchange:

2012-09-26 Thread Larry Colen
Here is my first cut at my 46 best photos from the Lindy Exchange about a week 
ago.  I've posted a few of these already:

http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631631427532/

I have a few examples that show why the K-5 is such an amazing camera:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8027991101/in/set-72157631631427532
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8027917037/in/set-72157631631427532

At first blush, these two shots seem a bit rough.  Consider that they were shot 
at 1/100 f/3.2 ISO 800

And  for example, this shot of the dancers, was shot at 1/30 f/1.8 ISO12,800: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8027915854  

The practical dynamic range of this camera continues to gobsmack me.  There 
wasn't enough light to easily photograph the dancers, and I'm pulling 
reasonable images of the dancers, while exposing for musicians under stage 
lights.


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RE: GESO Tasha and Friends -- the rest of the story

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
The wrap party must have been amazing.

;-)

Cheers,
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--- Original Message ---

From: Bruce Walker 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List 
Subject: GESO Tasha and Friends -- the rest of the story

If you enjoyed my "Tasha and Friend" PESO Saturday, then here's just
the gallery for you ...

http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157631606597351/

I was freely roaming the production set (a producer's basement) of
this indie horror/comedy/puppet movie scheduled for 2013 release.

This flick is coming from the same team that created "The Post-Lifers"
(2011), a zombie mockumentary that's touring all the indie film
festivals this year. If you can, I urge you to see it. It's hilarious
and really, really well done. Here's their IMDB & Facebook pages:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2133348/
https://www.facebook.com/thepostlifers
http://postlifeproductions.ca/


All gallery shots: K20D, mostly DA*55/1.4, a few DA*16-50/2.8. Post in
Lightroom 4.1.

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Re: OT: 2013 will be the year of the Great Comets

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
You just wet your pants and it's visible in daylight. 

That's more information than I really need, thank you very much.

;-)

So the Russians discovered this comet, eh? Sounds just like back in the cold 
war. No matter what we in the West ~really invented~ they claimed to have 
invented it first. From the television to the light bulb to being first to 
orbit the earth. Wait, they really were in space first.

Oh well. This comet really does sound amazing. Hope we'll be able to see it in 
New Toronto...

;-)

cheers,
frank

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--- Original Message ---

From: Toine 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT: 2013 will be the year of the Great Comets

Wow, I think I just wet my pants. Visible in daylight!

Toine

On 26 September 2012 16:10, Darren Addy  wrote:
> If you have ever wanted to get into astrophotography, you have reason
> to "gear up" now. I don't know if it is making national news yet, but
> a comet was just days ago discovered by a couple of Russian
> astronomers that appears to have all of the ingredients to be one of
> the greatest comets in our lifetimes, and maybe one of the greatest in
> human civilization's history.
> http://www.astronomynow.com/news/n1209/25comet/
>
> Normally it takes a while after discovery to calculate an accurate
> orbit, but this comet was found on pre-discovery sky surveys (where it
> was previously overlooked as a comet) and so they have 9 months of
> data (over 50 orbital datapoints). What makes it incredible is the
> nearness with which it is going to skim past the sun (.012 AU) and
> then the nearness with which is flies past the earth (.4 AU). This
> comet has the chance of being visible in a broad daylight sky,
> brighter than the moon. This will be an incredible object from Nov. to
> Jan. in 2013/2014. Currently, this comet is known by the following
> designation: C/2012 S1 (ISON)
>
> If you want to hang out with the comet nerds, including at least one
> of the discoverers of this comet:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/comets-ml/
>
> Before this, we were looking forward to another great comet in the
> Spring of 2013 (known by the designation C/2011 L4 PANSTARRS ) This
> comet alone would be enough to make most comet lovers wet their pants,
> as it is expected to flirt with negative visual magnitudes in March
> 2013: http://www.aerith.net/comet/catalog/2011L4/2011L4.html but it
> has now been joined by a very big brother that looks to wildly
> overshadow it.
>
> 2013 is going to be a once-in-a-lifetime year for comets.
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Re: Mileage on a K5 shutter

2012-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
Just curious, Dave.  What way did you deviate from the average.

Thanks for the feedback folks.  I decided not pursue this particular
used K5.  I may wait and see what "you're the beta tester" problesm
will arise with the new K5 II and K30 and then buy later  ;-)

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:28 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:29 AM, David Parsons  
> wrote:
>> About 13% of the nominal rated life of the shutter.
>>
>> The rated life 100,000 actuations.  Like any other rating, it's an
>> average, and not a countdown to failure.
>
> Tell that to my D2H:-)
>
> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>>> Looking at a used K5 with 13K actuations on the shutter.  In good
>>> shape other wise.  How much wear is this, really?
>>>
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Re: Autographer (wearable camera) - not entirely OT

2012-09-26 Thread Steven Desjardins
The ultimate "spray and pray" approach.  I'm sure it's bound to get
some nice shots.  Obviously not for me; taking the shots is my hobby.
I doubt it will supplant cell phone cameras, and most people are not
going to want to go through all those shots.  Could be a cult thing, I
guess.

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> Don't know what I really think of this:
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/24/omg-life-creates-autographer-wearable-automatic-camera
> but I saw it shortly after viewing this neat instructional video
> http://cinematography-howto.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-time-lapse-video-with-dslr-and-intervalometer-269678/
> and it gave me an idea:
>
> It would be interesting to wear the Pentax Q around one's neck and
> just have it set to take images with its built-in intervalometer while
> walking around the streets or something (hands-off). People would
> pretty much ignore a camera that doesn't have the wearer's hands on
> it. This idea would work for any camera with a built-in intervalometer
> (like the K-5) but it think it probably becomes a little more
> problematic (in multiple ways) to handle the larger the camera in this
> way. The built-in intervalometer can take up to 999 images, so you'd
> have to do the math to determine how often to have it take a photo for
> the length of time you wanted it to "run" (also your card capacity and
> whether you were shooting JPEG or RAW/+).
>
> Another (related) idea would be to use this to create time-lapse video
> from still shots. Imagine walking through a crowded rush hour city
> sidewalk and into a cafe shooting this way at 1 image every 3 seconds.
> That's 20 frames per minute and if you put that together (for example
> in QuickTime Pro) at 20 fps you have a 1 minute of real life = 1
> second of your time-lapse video. 1 hour of real life = 1 minute of
> time-lapse video.
>
> Think this is dumb or does it have merit?
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RE: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
That was me on the train smoking the pipe. You didn't know it was me because 
you never met me...

Cheers,
frank

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--- Original Message ---

From: Bob W 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
Subject: RE: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Steven Desjardins
> 
> Don't try it.  I took up the pipe when I quit cigarettes and got hooked
> on it for 10 years.  Cigarettes taste pretty flat after a pipe.
> 

by a strange coincidence I dreamt last night that I was on a train and some
guy in one of the seats near me lit a pipe and somehow managed to smoke it
surreptitiously. 

Then a very large and unpleasant Orangeman
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order) with tattoos of King Billy on
his arm took my seat and wouldn't get out when I objected.

B

> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:41 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
> > Never tried a pipe. Nor a ~good~ cigar. Smoked cheap cigars and I
> always found them nasty.
> >
> > Even though I quit tobacco (cigarettes) long ago K have always been
> curious about pipes and (good) cigars. Not curious enough to try either
> though...
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
> >
> > "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."
> > -- Christopher Hitchens
> >
> > --- Original Message ---
> >
> > From: Steven Desjardins 
> > Sent: September 25, 2012 9/25/12
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Subject: Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?
> >
> > Chocolate, coffee, and once upon a time pipe tobacco.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 11:06 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
> >  wrote:
> >> Thanks, Peter. That's the kind of constructive criticism that I find
> particularly helpful!
> >>
> >> And it was, I believe, a chocolate chip muffin.
> >>
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> frank
> >>
> >> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."
> >> -- Christopher Hitchens
> >>
> >> --- Original Message ---
> >>
> >> From: "P. J. Alling" 
> >> Sent: September 24, 2012 9/24/12
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> Subject: Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?
> >>
> >> I assume that's chocolate, which is undeniably one of life's great
> >> pleasures.  However while the glare off the table can be forgiven,
> >> the blacks are too blocked to convey an inviting texture to the
> >> pastry and the coffee cup needs a bit more separation from it's
> >> shadow/reflection in the saucer . Aside from that the composition is
> quite pleasing.
> >>
> >> On 9/24/2012 9:51 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> I suppose there could be a huge debate on what life's greatest
> pleasures really are but a good book, a muffin and an espresso would be
> a consideration for me:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/09/lifes-greatest-
> pleasures.h
> >>> tml?m=1
> >>>
> >>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> frank
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without
> proof."
> >>> -- Christopher Hitchens
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> avoid a lengthly search.
> >>
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Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?

2012-09-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Well, I did actually ask the young lady if I could take a photo of her book, 
coffee and muffin. That's more than I usually do...

My reference with the backdrop and glycerin was (as some no doubt recognized) a 
reference to a certain Mr. Brazwell (sp?), a perennial winner in the Nature 
Photography Contest ay GFM. Brought along a little collapsing frame and velvet 
backdrops of various colours, sprayed glycerine on flowers and leaves for the 
"just after a rainfall" look and away he went; won every year. Shot with Pentax 
for a while iirc. Was on this list for a while (may still lurk for all I know).

Lots of jealous people thought it was against the rules but it clearly wasn't. 

And it looked very good. He was very good at it - and I guess he still is. 
Probably still goes to GFM (sadly I don't). Probably still wins. Mark? Doug? 
Anyone else at GFM? Charles still around?

So your scrim story reminded me of him.

Easy to do in a forest, not so much in an urban setting.

;-)

cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Bruce Walker 
Sent: September 26, 2012 9/26/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?

My tongue was very firmly in my cheek when I suggested a lighting mod,
Frank. But you knew that didn't you? :-)

I had a crazy mental image of a woman settling in with her coffee and
muffin when she's suddenly surrounded by technicians. Two guys are
erecting a portable 4x8 foot scrim, one is spraying her food with
glycerine. A makeup artist and hairstylist pounce and transform her.
Finally Frank leans in, shoots a few frames, smiles at the woman and
exits along with the assistants. Woman absently bites her muffin,
grimaces and spits it out. Fade.

Hey if Bruce Gilden can spring up and flash people in NY, why not?


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Not going to comment on the scrim. I takes my photos as I find 'em. 
> Collapsible  scrims? What's next:  velvet backdrops and spray bottles of 
> glycerin?
>
> Sheesh!
>
> ;-)
>
> Okay, on the gustatory issue: Please be aware that those are not my coffee or 
> muffin. They belong to the hands of the lovely young lady at the next table.
>
> For me, generally speaking, espresso is a stand-alone beverage. No need for 
> cake, cookies, pastry or sweets.
> Like you I will have baked goods or pastry with a regular coffee. Not the 
> chocolate chip muffin in the photo, however; it's not vegan.
>
> :-)
>
> Thanks for the comment and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Bruce Walker 
> Sent: September 25, 2012 9/25/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Life's Greatest Pleasures?
>
> Ditto what Peter says. I do like the shot though.
>
> Next time you go there, Frank, take a collapsible scrim with you to
> control the glare and let you raise the exposure so we can see the
> muffin properly. I'll come with you if you need an assistant. Mmm,
> chocolate.
>
> On a more technical note: don't you find that pairing a muffin with an
> espresso means that you run out of liquid long before you finish the
> muffin? It's usually three or four sips or one quick swallow and that
> espresso is done.
>
> I'd rather have a cup of coffee with that chocolate muffin. With an
> espresso, it should be a biscotti, I think.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:59 PM, P. J. Alling
>  wrote:
>> I assume that's chocolate, which is undeniably one of life's great
>> pleasures.  However while the glare off the table can be forgiven, the
>> blacks are too blocked to convey an inviting texture to the pastry and the
>> coffee cup needs a bit more separation from it's shadow/reflection in the
>> saucer . Aside from that the composition is quite pleasing.
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/2012 9:51 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I suppose there could be a huge debate on what life's greatest pleasures
>>> really are but a good book, a muffin and an espresso would be a
>>> consideration for me:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/09/lifes-greatest-pleasures.html?m=1
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> frank
>>>
>>>
>>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." --
>>> Christopher Hitchens
>>
>>
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RE: Mileage on a K5 shutter

2012-09-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
based on reports of various failures of Pentax DSLRS, it seems that
the focal plane shutter may not be the weak link in the useful life
of the body.

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On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:29 AM, David Parsons 
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> About 13% of the nominal rated life of the shutter.
>
> The rated life 100,000 actuations.  Like any other rating, it's an
> average, and not a countdown to failure.

Tell that to my D2H:-)

Dave
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Steven Desjardins 
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>> Looking at a used K5 with 13K actuations on the shutter.  In good
>> shape other wise.  How much wear is this, really?
>>
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Re: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

2012-09-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Nice set, the last one being the money shot.  What a nice car.

Totally

Dave
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Shot a car today at what is left of the Packard Proving
>> grounds in Shelby, Michigan:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483795
>>
>> The car was a 1959 Chrysler Imperial two-seat roadster -- a car that never 
>> exacted, save in one man's fantasy. The proving ground venue just happened 
>> to be handy and aesthetically a nice match for the car. Here it is in front 
>> of the old Packard garage:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483792&size=lg
>>
>> And smoking the hides on the remains of the Packard test track, which was 
>> once a 2 1/2- mile oval (if memory serves me). All that remains is a few 
>> hundred feet of track and guardrail:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483794&size=lg
>>
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Re: Mileage on a K5 shutter

2012-09-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:29 AM, David Parsons  wrote:
> About 13% of the nominal rated life of the shutter.
>
> The rated life 100,000 actuations.  Like any other rating, it's an
> average, and not a countdown to failure.

Tell that to my D2H:-)

Dave
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> Looking at a used K5 with 13K actuations on the shutter.  In good
>> shape other wise.  How much wear is this, really?
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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Matthew Hunt  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:46 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>
>> See that was my problem. My file would be 9-8-12-wedding and
>> subfolders of NEF and JPG. When i imported the folder i would juts ask
>> for nefs to be lodaed, not realizing until just recently, that that
>> was the folder now, nef ,not 9-8-12-wedding, nef
>
> I think what you may want is:
>
> In the Lightroom Library module, find the "nef" folder under Folders
> on the left side of the screen. Right-click on "nef" and pick "Show
> Parent Folder". Repeat until you're happy with the number of levels
> shown.

I'll try that thanks

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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> I was responding to the suggestion that it is wrong-headed to insist on
> organizing files rather than just relying on LightRoom's keywording.

But you turned that into an attack on the product: "It's LightRoom
that's being tyrannical with its demand that everything
be organized by keywords."

Lightroom does not require any particular organization on disk.
Lightroom does not require you to use keywords at all. There is no
tyrrany.

I'm tired of seeing people scared away from from quality product
because they read false claims that it "makes you" work in some
particular way.

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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread David Parsons
If you presume that you'll always be using LR, and that the catalog
structure will be able to be read by any future software that you may
end up using, then it's true that you don't need to organize on disk.

I prefer to future proof and organize files on the disk.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> John Sessoms
>>
>> Y'all act as if you have to choose between key wording & hierarchical
>> folders.
>>
>
> Not at all - people can do both if they want to. John of Occam wouldn't
> though, and nor do I.
>
> B
>
>> From: "Bob W"
>> >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
>> >> Of Walt
>> >>
>> >> I'll be sure to keep in mind the keyword stuff. But, sadly, I'm just
>> >> horrible about doing stuff like that -- it's a procrastination
>> thing,
>> >> I guess.
>> >>
>> >> Thankfully, I don't have many older photos, so it won't be a huge
>> >> deal
>> >> -- at least until I put off adding keywords to my newer images for
>> so
>> >> long that it gets to be too much of an ordeal to mess with. ;)
>> >>
>> >
>> > If you do the basic keywords (who, what, where, why) at the time you
>> > import the pictures you can avoid the procrastination problem. The
>> > keyword entry box is on the right hand panel of the import dialog.
>> >
>> > Keywords are more helpful and more flexible than deriving a folder
>> > structure, and it doesn't take any longer to use them. For example,
>> if
>> > your folder structure is say \Holidays\Paris\Cafe de Rostand\Fifi\,
>> > just enter the keywords holidays, paris, Caf? de Rostand and fifi
>> > instead (I would make caf? a separate keyword).
>> >
>> > You're liberated from the tyranny of the fixed structure, and the
>> > problem of what to do with something that belongs in more than one
>> > folder, For example if Fifi also belongs in Family\Nieces\Pretend\
>> and
>> > in Mistresses\No longer\ you just include as keywords family, nieces,
>> > etc. You can search on any equal or proper subset of the keywords, in
>> > any order, rather than having to find your way through all the levels
>> > of a folder structure that you will lose track of.
>> >
>> > You can put keywords themselves in hierarchies if you want, although
>> I
>> > stopped doing that a long time ago. For example, Europe > France >
>> > Paris, Europe > France > Lyon, Europe > Germany > Neuschwanstein. If
>> > you then keyword something as Neuschwanstein it will turn up in
>> > searches for Europe, without you having to put Europe as a keyword
>> > against the picture, and any search for France will include both
>> Paris and Lyon.
>> >
>> > The problem, for me, is maintaining the hierarchies and also making
>> > sure that what you are doing is a real, genuine, hierarchy, and
>> that's
>> > not always obvious until it's too late. A keyword can belong to more
>> > than one hierarchy, I think, so it's slightly better than a folder
>> > structure in
>> > (most) hierarchical file systems.
>> >
>> > B
>> >
>> > B
>>
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Autographer (wearable camera) - not entirely OT

2012-09-26 Thread Darren Addy
Don't know what I really think of this:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/24/omg-life-creates-autographer-wearable-automatic-camera
but I saw it shortly after viewing this neat instructional video
http://cinematography-howto.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-time-lapse-video-with-dslr-and-intervalometer-269678/
and it gave me an idea:

It would be interesting to wear the Pentax Q around one's neck and
just have it set to take images with its built-in intervalometer while
walking around the streets or something (hands-off). People would
pretty much ignore a camera that doesn't have the wearer's hands on
it. This idea would work for any camera with a built-in intervalometer
(like the K-5) but it think it probably becomes a little more
problematic (in multiple ways) to handle the larger the camera in this
way. The built-in intervalometer can take up to 999 images, so you'd
have to do the math to determine how often to have it take a photo for
the length of time you wanted it to "run" (also your card capacity and
whether you were shooting JPEG or RAW/+).

Another (related) idea would be to use this to create time-lapse video
from still shots. Imagine walking through a crowded rush hour city
sidewalk and into a cafe shooting this way at 1 image every 3 seconds.
That's 20 frames per minute and if you put that together (for example
in QuickTime Pro) at 20 fps you have a 1 minute of real life = 1
second of your time-lapse video. 1 hour of real life = 1 minute of
time-lapse video.

Think this is dumb or does it have merit?

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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:46 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> See that was my problem. My file would be 9-8-12-wedding and
> subfolders of NEF and JPG. When i imported the folder i would juts ask
> for nefs to be lodaed, not realizing until just recently, that that
> was the folder now, nef ,not 9-8-12-wedding, nef

I think what you may want is:

In the Lightroom Library module, find the "nef" folder under Folders
on the left side of the screen. Right-click on "nef" and pick "Show
Parent Folder". Repeat until you're happy with the number of levels
shown.

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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread John Sessoms

From: Matthew Hunt

It's LightRoom that's being tyrannical with its demand that everything
be organized by keywords. Keyword the hell out of everything, but leave
the folder structure the way that makes sense to you. That way, when
LightRoom crashes & burns, you'll still know where your photos are.

LightRoom's utility is directly proportional to how easily it allows me
to organize photos the way *I* want them organized.


At worst, Lightroom makes in no harder to put your files where you
want them on disk. (Put them where you want them, then add them to the
catalog in place.) At best, it makes it easier, by letting you import
them in a systematic way (e.g. /MM/shootname, if a system like
that works for you.)

I don't understand the implication that Lightroom somehow prevents you
from organizing files on disk however you'd like.


I was responding to the suggestion that it is wrong-headed to insist on 
organizing files rather than just relying on LightRoom's keywording.


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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Stan Halpin

On Sep 26, 2012, at 3:36 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: David J Brooks
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walt  wrote:
>>> Thanks for the advice, Larry!
>>> 
>>> I've always imported my RAW files into directories with a -MM-DD naming
>>> convention,
>> 
>> See that was my problem. My file would be 9-8-12-wedding and
>> subfolders of NEF and JPG. When i imported the folder i would juts ask
>> for nefs to be lodaed, not realizing until just recently, that that
>> was the folder now, nef ,not 9-8-12-wedding, nef
>> 
>> Live and learn
>> 
>> Dave
> 
> You should still have the original folders. AFAIK, LR doesn't actually
> move anything, it just makes a database of virtual folders and points to
> where the photos physically reside. 

John, as Bob W. pointed out, all folders are virtual. File names, folder names, 
directory names, sub-directory names - they are all just part of an addressing 
scheme that allows the OS to find the address header in a file. Said file 
potentially residing in many little pieces scattered across your drive, with 
each fragment ending in a pointer to the next fragment. Most often, a given 
file is contiguous, but with an older drive that has experienced many 
writes/rewrites/deletions, stuff gets fragmented. Hence the need for utilities 
that defrag hard drives.

LR works with the resident OS. If you rename a folder or file in LR, the folder 
or file is renamed. The OS knows that and if you do a directory sort, for 
example, you will see your folder or file under its new name. Or should I say 
it's new name? Yes, LR keeps track of file locations in its data base, just as 
the OS does. Different algorithms and heuristics possibly, but  the same 
function. In a restaurant with bilingual staff, you can order your food in 
either language and get the same food. On your computer you can use LR or the 
OS to find/move/rename your files and you get the same result. Use whichever 
language you are more comfortable with, or, if you are bilingual, use whichever 
happens to be more appropriate for the task at hand.

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Re: OT Enablement

2012-09-26 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 26/9/12, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:

>We are going for a holiday and although they offered me a preproduction
>K-r I bought a Fujifilm x100 instead as a backup camera (I don¨t need
>another system camera).
>
>The x100 is really nice. Compact and light, sharp lens and it looks very
>similar to my first camera, Olympus 35RC from the 70s. Aperture ring
>around the lens, shutter speed dial on top and even a threaded hole in
>the shutter button for the old fashioned cable release. 
>
>The most interesting part for me is the viewfinder. For those who don´t
>know the x100 view finder is a mixture where you can choose between the
>old type glass viewfinder with frame and some information, and an EVF. I
>find that I like the EVF a lot, even if it lags a bit on this camera. It
>is nice to see the effect of the exposure compensation in the
>viewfinder. I think the focus screens of the K-5 (and most other new
>cameras) is not very good with large aperture lenses as you neither are
>able to get an impression of the out of focus background nor the precise
>focus.

I've briefly handled Bob W's X100 and it feels so good in the hands. I
am seriously considering a black X100 to go with my X10 :)

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OT Enablement

2012-09-26 Thread DagT
I sent the K-5 for cleaning and focus adjustment along with the DA40 for 
repairs, and when the part for the lens finally appeared they found that the 
K-5 had "stains" and the sensor should be changed. So it will be gone for three 
more weeks.

We are going for a holiday and although they offered me a preproduction K-r I 
bought a Fujifilm x100 instead as a backup camera (I don¨t need another system 
camera).

The x100 is really nice. Compact and light, sharp lens and it looks very 
similar to my first camera, Olympus 35RC from the 70s. Aperture ring around the 
lens, shutter speed dial on top and even a threaded hole in the shutter button 
for the old fashioned cable release. 

The most interesting part for me is the viewfinder. For those who don´t know 
the x100 view finder is a mixture where you can choose between the old type 
glass viewfinder with frame and some information, and an EVF. I find that I 
like the EVF a lot, even if it lags a bit on this camera. It is nice to see the 
effect of the exposure compensation in the viewfinder. I think the focus 
screens of the K-5 (and most other new cameras) is not very good with large 
aperture lenses as you neither are able to get an impression of the out of 
focus background nor the precise focus.

So actually I´m starting to hope for an EVF K-3. What-you-see-is-what-you-get 
finder and maybe even more compact, and the same great lenses.

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RE: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> John Sessoms
> 
> 
> Someone mentioned "the tyranny of physical hierarchies", which I think
> gets it just backwards. 

that would be me. 

> The physical hierarchies allow me to be the
> boss over the software. My photos are where I want them to be; where I
> told the computer to put them.
> 

No they're not. The system decides where they go. The catalogue in the file
system is just a way of labelling them in a way that humans can read - the
folder structure is essentially part of the name, like
william\jefferson\clinton - and a very inflexible way since you have to know
how to navigate through the hierarchy to get at something. Windows only
provides one label, which is even more inflexible. Some file systems provide
a means of assigning a file to several hierarchies (ie, giving it several
names), which is a bit more flexible.

> It's LightRoom that's being tyrannical with its demand that everything
> be organized by keywords. 

it doesn't demand anything of the sort. There's absolutely no requirement
whatsoever to use keywords. As you mentioned above, if you want to organise
your pictures in a folder structure outside of LR you can do so, and LR
handles it with ease.

> Keyword the hell out of everything, but leave
> the folder structure the way that makes sense to you. That way, when
> LightRoom crashes & burns, you'll still know where your photos are.
> 
> LightRoom's utility is directly proportional to how easily it allows me
> to organize photos the way *I* want them organized.

You can use it to organise them anyway you like, or not organise them at
all. It's up to you.

B


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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:36 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> It's LightRoom that's being tyrannical with its demand that everything
> be organized by keywords. Keyword the hell out of everything, but leave
> the folder structure the way that makes sense to you. That way, when
> LightRoom crashes & burns, you'll still know where your photos are.
>
> LightRoom's utility is directly proportional to how easily it allows me
> to organize photos the way *I* want them organized.

At worst, Lightroom makes in no harder to put your files where you
want them on disk. (Put them where you want them, then add them to the
catalog in place.) At best, it makes it easier, by letting you import
them in a systematic way (e.g. /MM/shootname, if a system like
that works for you.)

I don't understand the implication that Lightroom somehow prevents you
from organizing files on disk however you'd like.

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GESO Tasha and Friends -- the rest of the story

2012-09-26 Thread Bruce Walker
If you enjoyed my "Tasha and Friend" PESO Saturday, then here's just
the gallery for you ...

http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157631606597351/

I was freely roaming the production set (a producer's basement) of
this indie horror/comedy/puppet movie scheduled for 2013 release.

This flick is coming from the same team that created "The Post-Lifers"
(2011), a zombie mockumentary that's touring all the indie film
festivals this year. If you can, I urge you to see it. It's hilarious
and really, really well done. Here's their IMDB & Facebook pages:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2133348/
https://www.facebook.com/thepostlifers
http://postlifeproductions.ca/


All gallery shots: K20D, mostly DA*55/1.4, a few DA*16-50/2.8. Post in
Lightroom 4.1.

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Re: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

2012-09-26 Thread Bob Sullivan
Paul,
Thanks for the extra info on the car.  That's a great shot.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Shot a car today at what is left of the Packard Proving
> grounds in Shelby, Michigan:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483795
>
> The car was a 1959 Chrysler Imperial two-seat roadster -- a car that never 
> exacted, save in one man's fantasy. The proving ground venue just happened to 
> be handy and aesthetically a nice match for the car. Here it is in front of 
> the old Packard garage:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483792&size=lg
>
> And smoking the hides on the remains of the Packard test track, which was 
> once a 2 1/2- mile oval (if memory serves me). All that remains is a few 
> hundred feet of track and guardrail:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483794&size=lg
>
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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread John Sessoms

From: David J Brooks

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walt  wrote:

Thanks for the advice, Larry!

I've always imported my RAW files into directories with a -MM-DD naming
convention,


See that was my problem. My file would be 9-8-12-wedding and
subfolders of NEF and JPG. When i imported the folder i would juts ask
for nefs to be lodaed, not realizing until just recently, that that
was the folder now, nef ,not 9-8-12-wedding, nef

Live and learn

Dave


You should still have the original folders. AFAIK, LR doesn't actually
move anything, it just makes a database of virtual folders and points to
where the photos physically reside. Just re-import them and make
LightRoom use an appropriate naming/keywording/organizing convention.

Someone mentioned "the tyranny of physical hierarchies", which I think
gets it just backwards. The physical hierarchies allow me to be the boss
over the software. My photos are where I want them to be; where I told
the computer to put them.

It's LightRoom that's being tyrannical with its demand that everything
be organized by keywords. Keyword the hell out of everything, but leave
the folder structure the way that makes sense to you. That way, when
LightRoom crashes & burns, you'll still know where your photos are.

LightRoom's utility is directly proportional to how easily it allows me
to organize photos the way *I* want them organized.

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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Walt

On 9/26/2012 2:19 PM, Bob W wrote:

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Walt

My current inclination is to go ahead and stick with both, as there are
times when I like to access my images with applications other than
Lightroom (Picasa, IrfanView, etc.) simply because they perform some
tasks a little more handily than LR appears to (at least at first
blush): Cropping, resizing, accessing some of the old .8BF filters that
I still like using, et. al.

that makes sense, but bear in mind that LR doesn't make any changes to the
original file. When you use it to crop, all it's doing is, in effect,
putting a mask over the original and enlarging it. And resizing isn't really
a LR concept - size is only applied when you export a jpg, tiff or whatever,
or build a web page or book. Again, the original isn't changed.

So if you changed something in LR, then worked on the original in another
application you probably wouldn't see the changes you'd made in LR. If you
then went back into LR the changes you'd made before using the external
application would be applied over a different baseline, and I'd guess 'the
result is undefined' as programming manuals used to say.

So if you'll be working with external apps then you'll probably need to
export from LR and work on a copy. If you don't re-import it in LR
afterwards then you'll need to use a different filing system.

B
Picasa does essentially the same thing unless you do a "Save" from 
within its interface -- and even then, it'll make a backup copy of the 
original image (which is nice, and has saved me on more than one 
occasion after some ham-handed editing). I used to do my RAW editing in 
Picasa, then export a full-sized jpg into a different "Picasa Exports" 
directory, which opens on the desktop when the export completes, and 
from there I could do the work with the old .8BF filters in IrfanView. 
Right now, the biggest advantage I see in LR is the 16-bit/channel 
color, which I've never had before.


The one complaint I have with LR, though, is that the slider controls 
seem a tad balky -- likely due to the fact that I only have 4 GB RAM. 
Beyond that, it's pretty wonderful, I have to say.





I find that I regularly use Windows
Explorer's thumbnail view to find specific photos and use the context
menu to open them in those other applications. Keeping my old
hierarchical directories would keep that process fairly simple, and
adopting the keywording aspect in LR would simplify the process within
LR itself.

It may be a tad more cumbersome than necessary, but as a matter of
keeping old habits to make things more convenient across the board with
regard to my already established workflow, it strikes me that I
probably shouldn't completely abandon my old ways. At least not until
I've gotten more comfortable with and reliant on LR.

-- Walt

On 9/26/2012 1:50 PM, Bob W wrote:

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
Of John Sessoms

Y'all act as if you have to choose between key wording &

hierarchical

folders.


Not at all - people can do both if they want to. John of Occam
wouldn't though, and nor do I.

B


From: "Bob W"

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On
Behalf Of Walt

I'll be sure to keep in mind the keyword stuff. But, sadly, I'm
just horrible about doing stuff like that -- it's a

procrastination

thing,

I guess.

Thankfully, I don't have many older photos, so it won't be a huge
deal
-- at least until I put off adding keywords to my newer images for

so

long that it gets to be too much of an ordeal to mess with. ;)


If you do the basic keywords (who, what, where, why) at the time

you

import the pictures you can avoid the procrastination problem. The
keyword entry box is on the right hand panel of the import dialog.

Keywords are more helpful and more flexible than deriving a folder
structure, and it doesn't take any longer to use them. For example,

if

your folder structure is say \Holidays\Paris\Cafe de Rostand\Fifi\,
just enter the keywords holidays, paris, Caf? de Rostand and fifi
instead (I would make caf? a separate keyword).

You're liberated from the tyranny of the fixed structure, and the
problem of what to do with something that belongs in more than one
folder, For example if Fifi also belongs in Family\Nieces\Pretend\

and

in Mistresses\No longer\ you just include as keywords family,
nieces, etc. You can search on any equal or proper subset of the
keywords, in any order, rather than having to find your way through
all the levels of a folder structure that you will lose track of.

You can put keywords themselves in hierarchies if you want,

although

I

stopped doing that a long time ago. For example, Europe > France >
Paris, Europe > France > Lyon, Europe > Germany > Neuschwanstein.

If

you then keyword something as Neuschwanstein it will turn up in
searches for Europe, without you having to put Europe as a keyword
against the picture, and any search fo

RE: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Walt
> 
> My current inclination is to go ahead and stick with both, as there are
> times when I like to access my images with applications other than
> Lightroom (Picasa, IrfanView, etc.) simply because they perform some
> tasks a little more handily than LR appears to (at least at first
> blush): Cropping, resizing, accessing some of the old .8BF filters that
> I still like using, et. al. 

that makes sense, but bear in mind that LR doesn't make any changes to the
original file. When you use it to crop, all it's doing is, in effect,
putting a mask over the original and enlarging it. And resizing isn't really
a LR concept - size is only applied when you export a jpg, tiff or whatever,
or build a web page or book. Again, the original isn't changed.

So if you changed something in LR, then worked on the original in another
application you probably wouldn't see the changes you'd made in LR. If you
then went back into LR the changes you'd made before using the external
application would be applied over a different baseline, and I'd guess 'the
result is undefined' as programming manuals used to say.

So if you'll be working with external apps then you'll probably need to
export from LR and work on a copy. If you don't re-import it in LR
afterwards then you'll need to use a different filing system.

B

> I find that I regularly use Windows
> Explorer's thumbnail view to find specific photos and use the context
> menu to open them in those other applications. Keeping my old
> hierarchical directories would keep that process fairly simple, and
> adopting the keywording aspect in LR would simplify the process within
> LR itself.
> 
> It may be a tad more cumbersome than necessary, but as a matter of
> keeping old habits to make things more convenient across the board with
> regard to my already established workflow, it strikes me that I
> probably shouldn't completely abandon my old ways. At least not until
> I've gotten more comfortable with and reliant on LR.
> 
> -- Walt
> 
> On 9/26/2012 1:50 PM, Bob W wrote:
> >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
> >> Of John Sessoms
> >>
> >> Y'all act as if you have to choose between key wording &
> hierarchical
> >> folders.
> >>
> > Not at all - people can do both if they want to. John of Occam
> > wouldn't though, and nor do I.
> >
> > B
> >
> >> From: "Bob W"
>  From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On
>  Behalf Of Walt
> 
>  I'll be sure to keep in mind the keyword stuff. But, sadly, I'm
>  just horrible about doing stuff like that -- it's a
> procrastination
> >> thing,
>  I guess.
> 
>  Thankfully, I don't have many older photos, so it won't be a huge
>  deal
>  -- at least until I put off adding keywords to my newer images for
> >> so
>  long that it gets to be too much of an ordeal to mess with. ;)
> 
> >>> If you do the basic keywords (who, what, where, why) at the time
> you
> >>> import the pictures you can avoid the procrastination problem. The
> >>> keyword entry box is on the right hand panel of the import dialog.
> >>>
> >>> Keywords are more helpful and more flexible than deriving a folder
> >>> structure, and it doesn't take any longer to use them. For example,
> >> if
> >>> your folder structure is say \Holidays\Paris\Cafe de Rostand\Fifi\,
> >>> just enter the keywords holidays, paris, Caf? de Rostand and fifi
> >>> instead (I would make caf? a separate keyword).
> >>>
> >>> You're liberated from the tyranny of the fixed structure, and the
> >>> problem of what to do with something that belongs in more than one
> >>> folder, For example if Fifi also belongs in Family\Nieces\Pretend\
> >> and
> >>> in Mistresses\No longer\ you just include as keywords family,
> >>> nieces, etc. You can search on any equal or proper subset of the
> >>> keywords, in any order, rather than having to find your way through
> >>> all the levels of a folder structure that you will lose track of.
> >>>
> >>> You can put keywords themselves in hierarchies if you want,
> although
> >> I
> >>> stopped doing that a long time ago. For example, Europe > France >
> >>> Paris, Europe > France > Lyon, Europe > Germany > Neuschwanstein.
> If
> >>> you then keyword something as Neuschwanstein it will turn up in
> >>> searches for Europe, without you having to put Europe as a keyword
> >>> against the picture, and any search for France will include both
> >> Paris and Lyon.
> >>> The problem, for me, is maintaining the hierarchies and also making
> >>> sure that what you are doing is a real, genuine, hierarchy, and
> >> that's
> >>> not always obvious until it's too late. A keyword can belong to
> more
> >>> than one hierarchy, I think, so it's slightly better than a folder
> >>> structure in
> >>> (most) hierarchical file systems.
> >>>
> >>> B
> >>>
> >>> B
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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Walt
My current inclination is to go ahead and stick with both, as there are 
times when I like to access my images with applications other than 
Lightroom (Picasa, IrfanView, etc.) simply because they perform some 
tasks a little more handily than LR appears to (at least at first 
blush): Cropping, resizing, accessing some of the old .8BF filters that 
I still like using, et. al. I find that I regularly use Windows 
Explorer's thumbnail view to find specific photos and use the context 
menu to open them in those other applications. Keeping my old 
hierarchical directories would keep that process fairly simple, and 
adopting the keywording aspect in LR would simplify the process within 
LR itself.


It may be a tad more cumbersome than necessary, but as a matter of 
keeping old habits to make things more convenient across the board with 
regard to my already established workflow, it strikes me that I probably 
shouldn't completely abandon my old ways. At least not until I've gotten 
more comfortable with and reliant on LR.


-- Walt

On 9/26/2012 1:50 PM, Bob W wrote:

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
John Sessoms

Y'all act as if you have to choose between key wording & hierarchical
folders.


Not at all - people can do both if they want to. John of Occam wouldn't
though, and nor do I.

B


From: "Bob W"

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
Of Walt

I'll be sure to keep in mind the keyword stuff. But, sadly, I'm just
horrible about doing stuff like that -- it's a procrastination

thing,

I guess.

Thankfully, I don't have many older photos, so it won't be a huge
deal
-- at least until I put off adding keywords to my newer images for

so

long that it gets to be too much of an ordeal to mess with. ;)


If you do the basic keywords (who, what, where, why) at the time you
import the pictures you can avoid the procrastination problem. The
keyword entry box is on the right hand panel of the import dialog.

Keywords are more helpful and more flexible than deriving a folder
structure, and it doesn't take any longer to use them. For example,

if

your folder structure is say \Holidays\Paris\Cafe de Rostand\Fifi\,
just enter the keywords holidays, paris, Caf? de Rostand and fifi
instead (I would make caf? a separate keyword).

You're liberated from the tyranny of the fixed structure, and the
problem of what to do with something that belongs in more than one
folder, For example if Fifi also belongs in Family\Nieces\Pretend\

and

in Mistresses\No longer\ you just include as keywords family, nieces,
etc. You can search on any equal or proper subset of the keywords, in
any order, rather than having to find your way through all the levels
of a folder structure that you will lose track of.

You can put keywords themselves in hierarchies if you want, although

I

stopped doing that a long time ago. For example, Europe > France >
Paris, Europe > France > Lyon, Europe > Germany > Neuschwanstein. If
you then keyword something as Neuschwanstein it will turn up in
searches for Europe, without you having to put Europe as a keyword
against the picture, and any search for France will include both

Paris and Lyon.

The problem, for me, is maintaining the hierarchies and also making
sure that what you are doing is a real, genuine, hierarchy, and

that's

not always obvious until it's too late. A keyword can belong to more
than one hierarchy, I think, so it's slightly better than a folder
structure in
(most) hierarchical file systems.

B

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Re: PESO Ford

2012-09-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Sep 26, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> hmmm
> I like this one the best of the set..
> 20120925-LRC76572.jpg

Thanks.

> 
> Too much background clutter to get a shot of the whole car?

There were two issues.  The first was background clutter.  Now that I think 
about it, I could try going back at night and shooting it with a flash.  Not 
only will there be fewer cars, as in none, in the parking lot around it, and 
the sign won't be in front of it, but by using a flash and taking advantage of 
the inverse square law, you won't be able to see ugly buildings in the 
background.

The other issue is that while I was taking those photos, Zab called me to say 
that a friend had left a desperate plea on my facebook page that her car was 
broken down by the side of the road forty miles from home.  I ended up going 
home, hooking the trailer to my van and driving out to Gilroy to rescue her.  

Yesterday was quite the day.  I was on my way home after another friend texted 
me that she needed emergency help with a broken toilet.

> would have liked to have seen it :-)

That is easily rectified.  On my way home from breakfast, I swung by and took a 
few more shots for you:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631626251196/

My guess is that it is a Model A pickup.  


> 
> ann
> 
> On 9/26/2012 04:10, Larry Colen wrote:
>> Between rescuing two damsels in distress today, I took a few shots of this 
>> relic parked in front of the thrift store in downtown Felton:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8025866914/
>> 
>> set of 4: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631626251196/
>> --
>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: PAW142 - Balloon

2012-09-26 Thread DagT
Thanks Rick, and Dave, Ann, Bruce, Steve and knarf :-)

I´ll have to wait a week before the next one. We are taking the kids to 
Santorini on saturday. It will be the first vacation without a Pentax for 33 
years, because the K-5 is on its way to Japan to get a new sensor. It was in 
for cleaning when the service guy found stains. Weak, but still present.

DagT


Den 25. sep. 2012 kl. 19:44 skrev Rick Womer:

> Wonderful shot!  The color contrast, the texture contrast, and the geometric 
> contrast work together beautifully.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rick
>  
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: DagT 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:17 PM
> Subject: PAW142 - Balloon
> 
> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
> K-5, DA21mm, 1/160s, f/11, ISO400.
> 
> DagT
> http://www.thrane.name/
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RE: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> John Sessoms
> 
> Y'all act as if you have to choose between key wording & hierarchical
> folders.
> 

Not at all - people can do both if they want to. John of Occam wouldn't
though, and nor do I.

B

> From: "Bob W"
> >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
> >> Of Walt
> >>
> >> I'll be sure to keep in mind the keyword stuff. But, sadly, I'm just
> >> horrible about doing stuff like that -- it's a procrastination
> thing,
> >> I guess.
> >>
> >> Thankfully, I don't have many older photos, so it won't be a huge
> >> deal
> >> -- at least until I put off adding keywords to my newer images for
> so
> >> long that it gets to be too much of an ordeal to mess with. ;)
> >>
> >
> > If you do the basic keywords (who, what, where, why) at the time you
> > import the pictures you can avoid the procrastination problem. The
> > keyword entry box is on the right hand panel of the import dialog.
> >
> > Keywords are more helpful and more flexible than deriving a folder
> > structure, and it doesn't take any longer to use them. For example,
> if
> > your folder structure is say \Holidays\Paris\Cafe de Rostand\Fifi\,
> > just enter the keywords holidays, paris, Caf? de Rostand and fifi
> > instead (I would make caf? a separate keyword).
> >
> > You're liberated from the tyranny of the fixed structure, and the
> > problem of what to do with something that belongs in more than one
> > folder, For example if Fifi also belongs in Family\Nieces\Pretend\
> and
> > in Mistresses\No longer\ you just include as keywords family, nieces,
> > etc. You can search on any equal or proper subset of the keywords, in
> > any order, rather than having to find your way through all the levels
> > of a folder structure that you will lose track of.
> >
> > You can put keywords themselves in hierarchies if you want, although
> I
> > stopped doing that a long time ago. For example, Europe > France >
> > Paris, Europe > France > Lyon, Europe > Germany > Neuschwanstein. If
> > you then keyword something as Neuschwanstein it will turn up in
> > searches for Europe, without you having to put Europe as a keyword
> > against the picture, and any search for France will include both
> Paris and Lyon.
> >
> > The problem, for me, is maintaining the hierarchies and also making
> > sure that what you are doing is a real, genuine, hierarchy, and
> that's
> > not always obvious until it's too late. A keyword can belong to more
> > than one hierarchy, I think, so it's slightly better than a folder
> > structure in
> > (most) hierarchical file systems.
> >
> > B
> >
> > B
> 
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RE: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> George Sinos
> 
> Not having a folder structure sounds like a tempting idea, but in the
> rapid changing world of technology it can lead to a huge mess.
> 
> I like Lightroom and take advantage of it's organizational features,
> but my fundamental organization is still contained in the folder
> structure, file naming and exif data.
> 
> If, for some currently unforeseeable reason, I decide to use something
> other than Lightroom.  Or, should Adobe go away, get bought, or
> otherwise stop supporting lightroom,  I don't want to re-organize
> everything from a zero starting point.
> 

You wouldn't have to. The data is in the catalogue, which is a SQL database
and therefore readily queryable. Even if you couldn't do it yourself, and
market would quickly spring up of products which could do it for you.

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RE: About those $2000.00 full-frame cameras...

2012-09-26 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> mike wilson
> 
> On 25/09/2012 14:15, Mark Roberts wrote:
> > A Pentax Spotmatic cost $289.00 in 1967. According to
> > http://www.usinflationcalculator.com that works out to be $1,993.00
> in
> > today's money.
> >
> 
>  From the same source a 1986 LX (body only at UK price but US currency)
> would be $8407.99.
> 

about $84.01 in US prices then.

I think I paid about £400- for each of my LXes.

B


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Re: Comet news may raise demand/prices for Pentax O-GPS1

2012-09-26 Thread Darren Addy
I do not recommend clicking the following link either:
if you do not have a K-r/K-5 or 645D
OR
if you do have one but do not want to be induced to purchase an O-GPS1.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=39284452

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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walt  wrote:
> Thanks for the advice, Larry!
>
> I've always imported my RAW files into directories with a -MM-DD naming
> convention,

See that was my problem. My file would be 9-8-12-wedding and
subfolders of NEF and JPG. When i imported the folder i would juts ask
for nefs to be lodaed, not realizing until just recently, that that
was the folder now, nef ,not 9-8-12-wedding, nef

Live and learn

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Re: DA 35 & DA 55-300 on film

2012-09-26 Thread Igor Roshchin

Joseph, 

Sorry, - I thought you were trying to calculate the "equivalent"
aperture, while you just didn't quite remember what the aperture was.
(And I was not talking about the "equivalent focal length")

Thanks for the clarification.

Igor


Wed Sep 26 03:56:35 EDT 2012
Joseph McAllister wrote:

> I'm afraid your misinterpreted what I wrote, or, I misinterpreted what
> my brain was thinking.  :-)
> 
> My reference to the speed of the lens as "or thereabouts" was my saying
> I am not going to go out to the car and drag the camera case out to look
> at the lens to see what it's spec. is, nor am I going to hop on over to
> Boz's site to see if it's listed (it is, I recall). 
> 
> For you, just this once, I will open my spreadsheet inventory and see
> what I wrote:
> 
> Pentax SMCP-FA-J 75-300mm f4.5-5.8 ED
> 
> See. Worse than I recalled.
> 
> What I was referring to was the total cone of light being (on most
> lenses other than flat field & macro) sharper in the center than the
> edges. Therefore, a FF lens on an APS sensor would be using the sharper,
> cleaner part of the optical circle than the FF camera would.
> 
> On Sep 26, 2012, at 00:21 , Igor Roshchin wrote:
> 
> > Tue Sep 25 22:48:50 EDT 2012
> > Joseph McAllister wrote:
> > 
> >> I have the far inferior FA-J  75-300 that came with a FF body last
> >> year. FF Coverage, of course. I was surprised that it took pretty
> >> damn
> >> good pictures on the K-5. Another of course is that it is only using
> >> the center of the image, so the best it can give for DA size. It's
> >> essentially a 105-450mm f3.5-5.6 (or thereabouts)
> > 
> > Joseph, it is incorrect. There is no "equivalent" aperture of the lens 
> > for a different crop factor if you are talking about the lens ability
> > to let the light through (aka lens "speed").
> > So, each point of the APS sensor will get the same amount of light as
> > any point on a FF sensor.
> > 
> > What is affected by the sensor size is DOF (depth of field).





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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread George Sinos
Not having a folder structure sounds like a tempting idea, but in the
rapid changing world of technology it can lead to a huge mess.

I like Lightroom and take advantage of it's organizational features,
but my fundamental organization is still contained in the folder
structure, file naming and exif data.

If, for some currently unforeseeable reason, I decide to use something
other than Lightroom.  Or, should Adobe go away, get bought, or
otherwise stop supporting lightroom,  I don't want to re-organize
everything from a zero starting point.

Don't get caught thinking Adobe is big and won't go away.  Think about
Kodak, Polaroid and several other companies that we thought would be
around till the end of time.

GS

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On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walt  wrote:
>>
>> It's a pretty clunky naming convention, but it helps me to identify which
>> camera I shot with (my K-x is just the straight camera-assigned number, my
>> K20D as WJG prepended to the camera file name, and the K100D photos I can
>> usually identify fairly easily by the file size), but I've somehow always
>> managed to make it work.
>
> Lr lets you search by EXIF meta, Walt. You don't need to create naming
> conventions or even add tags for things like camera or lens.
>
> Left-hand side, under Catalog, select All Photographs;
> Middle, in the Library Filters strip, click Metadata;
> You'll see a column called Camera and all the cameras you used should
> appear there.
> Click one of them and all the shots taken with that camera will appear
> in the thumbnails area.
>
> Similarly you can see all shots you took with specific lenses, and the count.
>
> I just let all my K100D and K20D shots intermingle in the db. I can
> sort them out anytime.
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Re: About those $2000.00 full-frame cameras...

2012-09-26 Thread William Robb

On 26/09/2012 6:03 AM, Postmaster wrote:


It occurred to me recently that a lot of people could use memory cards
just once - never delete images and when the card is full simply buy a
new one - and still spend less than they would on film/processing for
the same number of shots. Amazing how far we've come in so little
time.

I had customers who did that, They would come in and have an index print 
made of the card contents as well as whatever prints they wanted at the 
time, and off they would go.


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Re: Annoying glitch

2012-09-26 Thread William Robb

On 26/09/2012 12:57 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


How have you got the RAW button programmed? It can be set to toggle
RAW -> JPEG and stay that way.


I have it set to RAW+ and cancel after one shot.

Whoever designed the way that button works rendered it absolutely useless. 
Rather than it being a toggle between the way you have it set, and some other 
function, if you press it, it will go to an occasionally useful setting (like 
RAW+) but you can't set it back, or if you press it again it sets the camera to 
some totally brain dead and useless default (like jpeg only).



I programmed it long ago to toggle from RAW to RAW so it simply can't
damage anything. It's just too easy to hit by mistake.


That's how I set mine.  But, I just noticed that it seems to have an 
astrotracer mode, which could actually be very useful, considering what a pain 
in the ass it is to get to astrotracer mode, and how looking at a capture takes 
you all of the way out.


There, you see? Learn to live within the design parameters of the equipment.

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Re: About those $2000.00 full-frame cameras...

2012-09-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Looks like I could have bought an iPod in 1975 for $46. Damn! Wish I'd
known that then.


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> A Pentax Spotmatic cost $289.00 in 1967. According to
> http://www.usinflationcalculator.com that works out to be $1,993.00 in
> today's money.
>
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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walt  wrote:
>
> It's a pretty clunky naming convention, but it helps me to identify which
> camera I shot with (my K-x is just the straight camera-assigned number, my
> K20D as WJG prepended to the camera file name, and the K100D photos I can
> usually identify fairly easily by the file size), but I've somehow always
> managed to make it work.

Lr lets you search by EXIF meta, Walt. You don't need to create naming
conventions or even add tags for things like camera or lens.

Left-hand side, under Catalog, select All Photographs;
Middle, in the Library Filters strip, click Metadata;
You'll see a column called Camera and all the cameras you used should
appear there.
Click one of them and all the shots taken with that camera will appear
in the thumbnails area.

Similarly you can see all shots you took with specific lenses, and the count.

I just let all my K100D and K20D shots intermingle in the db. I can
sort them out anytime.

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Re: About those $2000.00 full-frame cameras...

2012-09-26 Thread mike wilson

On 25/09/2012 14:15, Mark Roberts wrote:

A Pentax Spotmatic cost $289.00 in 1967. According to
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com that works out to be $1,993.00 in
today's money.



From the same source a 1986 LX (body only at UK price but US currency) 
would be $8407.99.



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Re: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

2012-09-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hi Ann, 

Thanks. It may end up in the Times -- hope so. But the shoot and an article are 
for an enthusiast magazine called Mopar Action. I frequently double up on these 
jobs, so will try to market it elsewhere as well.

Paul
On Sep 26, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> Fun stuff !  gorgeous car - but I clicked on the first image expecting to see 
> the car that is in the other two shots - reading Walt's comment...
> DIdn't see the other links at first so I thought he was being a wiseass :-)
> 
> Is this for the Times?
> 
> ann
> 
> On 9/26/2012 02:48, Walt wrote:
>> Damn, what a beautiful car!
>> 
>> Great shots, too!
>> 
>> -- Walt
>> 
>> On 9/25/2012 8:56 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> Shot a car today at what is left of the Packard Proving
>>> grounds in Shelby, Michigan:
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483795
>>> 
>>> The car was a 1959 Chrysler Imperial two-seat roadster -- a car that
>>> never exacted, save in one man's fantasy. The proving ground venue
>>> just happened to be handy and aesthetically a nice match for the car.
>>> Here it is in front of the old Packard garage:
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483792&size=lg
>>> 
>>> And smoking the hides on the remains of the Packard test track, which
>>> was once a 2 1/2- mile oval (if memory serves me). All that remains is
>>> a few hundred feet of track and guardrail:
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483794&size=lg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: So, I have this Spotmatic...

2012-09-26 Thread Darren Addy
In the form of the classic Spotmatic it appears that we have found
something other than Youth that is wasted on the young.
(Just kidding Tanya).

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Re: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

2012-09-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Christine. The car was built by a Royal Oak automotive designer. It's 
his vision of what a Chrysler sports car of the fifties could have been. Virgil 
Exner spent a lot of time with Ghia back in the day developing designs for just 
such a car, but none were ever executed. This car is based on a '59 Chrysler 
Imperial that was narrowed 8 inches and shortened by several feet. Top chopped 
off of course and the sports racing style windshield built. The chassis is an 
aftermarket product meant for building high-performance cars with Dodge Viper 
rear end and suspension. The engine is a 6.1-liter 2012 Dodge SRT V-8, 
generating about 500 horsepower. Ten thousand hours of labor invested in the 
effort.


On Sep 26, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:

> Sweet ride, and great shots.
> 
> The Detroit-bred car guy reading over my shoulder wants to know:
> What's the story behind the car?  It's a one of a kind?  Was it built
> that way, or did someone modify?
> 
> :)
> -c
> 
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Shot a car today at what is left of the Packard Proving
>> grounds in Shelby, Michigan:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483795
>> 
>> The car was a 1959 Chrysler Imperial two-seat roadster -- a car that never 
>> exacted, save in one man's fantasy. The proving ground venue just happened 
>> to be handy and aesthetically a nice match for the car. Here it is in front 
>> of the old Packard garage:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483792&size=lg
>> 
>> And smoking the hides on the remains of the Packard test track, which was 
>> once a 2 1/2- mile oval (if memory serves me). All that remains is a few 
>> hundred feet of track and guardrail:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483794&size=lg
>> 
>> 
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Re: Enablement: LR4

2012-09-26 Thread Bruce Walker
I just don't think there's any point to maintaining hierarchical
folders beyond what Lr does for you itself.

If you need to find the original files, locate the image(s) in Lr,
right-click and select Show in Finder. Bingo!

I basically keyword all shots using something like Bob's
Who/What/Where system, along with some extras like Issues (soft, oof,
under/over-exposed). I do maintain hierarchical tags, but make sure
they don't export meaningless parent tags so the EXIF isn't cluttered.
These automatically show up in Flickr when uploaded and help folks
find my shots in searches.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:29 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Y'all act as if you have to choose between key wording & hierarchical
> folders.
>
> From: "Bob W"
>>>
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Walt
>>>
>>> I'll be sure to keep in mind the keyword stuff. But, sadly, I'm just
>>> horrible about doing stuff like that -- it's a procrastination thing, I
>>> guess.
>>>
>>> Thankfully, I don't have many older photos, so it won't be a huge deal
>>> -- at least until I put off adding keywords to my newer images for so
>>> long that it gets to be too much of an ordeal to mess with. ;)
>>>
>>
>> If you do the basic keywords (who, what, where, why) at the time you
>> import
>> the pictures you can avoid the procrastination problem. The keyword entry
>> box is on the right hand panel of the import dialog.
>>
>> Keywords are more helpful and more flexible than deriving a folder
>> structure, and it doesn't take any longer to use them. For example, if
>> your
>> folder structure is say \Holidays\Paris\Cafe de Rostand\Fifi\, just enter
>> the keywords holidays, paris, Caf? de Rostand and fifi instead (I would
>> make
>> caf? a separate keyword).
>>
>>
>> You're liberated from the tyranny of the fixed structure, and the problem
>> of
>> what to do with something that belongs in more than one folder, For
>> example
>> if Fifi also belongs in Family\Nieces\Pretend\ and in Mistresses\No
>> longer\
>> you just include as keywords family, nieces, etc. You can search on any
>> equal or proper subset of the keywords, in any order, rather than having
>> to
>> find your way through all the levels of a folder structure that you will
>> lose track of.
>>
>> You can put keywords themselves in hierarchies if you want, although I
>> stopped doing that a long time ago. For example, Europe > France > Paris,
>> Europe > France > Lyon, Europe > Germany > Neuschwanstein. If you then
>> keyword something as Neuschwanstein it will turn up in searches for
>> Europe,
>> without you having to put Europe as a keyword against the picture, and any
>> search for France will include both Paris and Lyon.
>>
>> The problem, for me, is maintaining the hierarchies and also making sure
>> that what you are doing is a real, genuine, hierarchy, and that's not
>> always
>> obvious until it's too late. A keyword can belong to more than one
>> hierarchy, I think, so it's slightly better than a folder structure in
>> (most) hierarchical file systems.
>>
>> B
>>
>> B
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Re: OT: 2013 will be the year of the Great Comets

2012-09-26 Thread Darren Addy
Yes! Interesting to note that the most recent daylight comet was in 1910:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_January_comet_of_1910

If you notice the box with the orbital characteristics of that 1910
comet, you will see: Perihelion = 0.128975 AU
C/2012 S1 (ISON) has a calculated Perihelion of 0.012 (10 TIMES CLOSER
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Re: About those $2000.00 full-frame cameras...

2012-09-26 Thread Doug Brewer

On 9/26/12 7:45 AM, Peter Jordan wrote:

OTOH, I shot 1200 frames last weekend, mainly of empty air where hummingbirds 
had just been.


You would have fit right in with many other entrants in this last 
spring's contest at the GFM Nature Photo Weekend. There were a whole 
pile of photos of places where subjects had once been.


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