RE: OT - Dr. Alex Moulton, inventor of small-wheeled bicycle dies

[Bob W]

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> knarftheria...@gmail.com
> 
> I had no idea he also worked on the suspension of the original Mini.
> 
> His bikes were very cool:
> 
>  http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-20691388
> 

I had a Moulton Continental when I was a kid in Gibraltar.

B


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PESO blue piano player

[Larry Colen]

Went to SF last night to catch a show by Johnny Boyd, who was the lead singer 
for one of my favorite swing bands about 15 years ago (Indigo Swing).  Of 
course I brought my camera.  There were three other people shooting with DSLRs, 
so I didn't spend much time taking pictures, though I did get a few good ones.  
Mostly with the 80-200.  An autofocus version of that lens would be rather 
handy, I lost a lot of my photos to sloppy focus.

I think that my favorite shot of the evening is this one of the piano player:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268403231/

Though I also really like this shot of a couple members of Stompy Jones, who 
opened the show:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268399151/

For them that are interested, the set of 18 is at:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632237743666/

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Adobe DNG Converter 7.3

[Dario Bonazza]

For those wanting to convert other file formats into DNG (e.g. for using RAW 
files of newer cameras with older releases of Photoshop), the latest 
software from Adobe is available.

Windows:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=5519&fileID=5528
Mac:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=5518&fileID=5529
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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Christine Nielsen]

(Ok, I'll start...)

Just when I thought things couldn't get any more "niche-y" than a Q, a
K-01, or a $10k camera...

;)
-c

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Darren Addy]

Speaking of Nietzsche
"We have already gone beyond whatever we have words for. In all talk
there is a grain of contempt."

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> (Ok, I'll start...)
>
> Just when I thought things couldn't get any more "niche-y" than a Q, a
> K-01, or a $10k camera...
>
> ;)
> -c
>
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PESO - Redwood Sculpture

[Eactivist]

Taken at Big Basin Redwoods State Park in  the Santa Cruz Mountains, this 
past  year.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/redsculpt.html

Comments  welcome.

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Christine Nielsen]

Sounds like Nietzsche was a Pentaxian...

:)
-c

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> Speaking of Nietzsche
> "We have already gone beyond whatever we have words for. In all talk
> there is a grain of contempt."
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>> (Ok, I'll start...)
>>
>> Just when I thought things couldn't get any more "niche-y" than a Q, a
>> K-01, or a $10k camera...
>>
>> ;)
>> -c
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza
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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[David J Brooks]

Nice, but my Hoya R72 is cheaper:-)

Dave

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Re: PESO - Flowering corn plant

[Eactivist]

Lovely as stated. :-) You certainly can keep  house plants alive a lot 
longer than I can. Totally cool it bloomed on your  bday. 

Marnie aka Doe 

In a message dated 12/12/2012 4:09:59 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
ann...@nyc.rr.com writes:
There is a story with it,  told in the  caption

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_S
rB5XV/1/2269117846_PqBcg7S/Large

the  next photo in the gallery is a shot of the whole plant - just for
perspective  - not happy with that shot.

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Re: PESO - Wheeeee!

[Eactivist]

Thanks!, frank. I took about 10-12 of them  falling and this was the best I 
think because of her expression.

Well,  "street photography" in the sense of  
"taking-pictures-of-people-I-don't-know-in-public-places" or "taking-  
pictures-of-people-in-public-places" (I guess I can leave out the I don't know  
part, because it's sort of 
assumed). But not literally "on the street." The same  idea and I am not sure 
what else to call it. Heh. So I think it sort of  qualifies. 

Marnie aka Doe  :-)
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In a message dated  12/12/2012 4:44:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
knarftheria...@gmail.com  writes:
Don't see that as street photography although I do note the quotation  
marks around the term.

Most importantly the photo is wonderful! The  moment is opportune in terms 
of the expressions on the faces, and I really like  the way the ride is 
framed by the green structure (guessing it's another ride)  in the background.

Definitely "like"!

cheers,
frank, still  decompressing from forced FB exile during list outtage  ;-)

---  Original Message ---

From: eactiv...@aol.com
Sent: December 12, 2012  12/12/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: PESO - Whe!

They are  dropping... I was in a raised area that  put me level with them a 
 
little above mid-way.

Pretty bright,  high-contrast day, but  I've lightened shadows about as 
much 
as I am comfortable   with.

One of my rare attempts at "street photography", taken at San  Cruz  
Broadwalk, California, this past   year.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/whe.html

Comments   welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  


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Re: PESO blue piano player

[Eactivist]

Blue Paino Player is good, all nice, though the last two head shots 2nd  
from the end don't do much for me.

But I reeeally like the Sax player  with his big baggie pants, nice angle, 
nice shot. Captures the  mood.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  (Think it's a Sax.)  Also like the  head shot of the 
Black Guy, again, nice angle.
---

In a message  dated 12/13/2012 1:12:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
l...@red4est.com  writes:
Went to SF last night to catch a show by Johnny Boyd, who was the  lead 
singer for one of my favorite swing bands about 15 years ago (Indigo  Swing).  
Of course I brought my camera.  There were three other people  shooting with 
DSLRs, so I didn't spend much time taking pictures, though I did  get a few 
good ones.  Mostly with the 80-200.  An autofocus version of  that lens 
would be rather handy, I lost a lot of my photos to sloppy  focus.

I think that my favorite shot of the evening is this one of the  piano 
player:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268403231/

Though  I also really like this shot of a couple members of Stompy Jones, 
who opened the  show:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268399151/

For them that  are interested, the set of 18 is  at:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632237743666/

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Re: PESO - Wild Blue Yonder

[Eactivist]

Thanks, frank.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

In a message dated 12/12/2012 7:50:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
knarftheria...@gmail.com writes:
Missed this one earlier.

Agree with  Ann. Cool!

cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From:  Ann Sanfedele 
Sent: December 11, 2012  12/11/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re:  PESO - Wild Blue Yonder

Oooh gald that one is still up here
I like  it

ann

On 12/11/2012 10:11, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
>  Thanks, Jack!
>
> Marnie aka Doe  ;-)
>  
>
> In a message dated  12/11/2012  5:48:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> jdavi...@yahoo.com  writes:
> I hadn't seen  this. Glad now to have the chance to  compliment you on the
> composition and usual  quality  image.
>
> Jack
>
> From: "eactiv...@aol.com"   
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Sent: Monday,  December 10,  2012 11:55 PM
> Subject: Re: PESO - Wild Blue  Yonder
>
> Thanks to everyone  who looked and to those  who  commented (I guess ;-)).
>
> Marnie aka  Doe
>
> It reminded me of a blue  & white 57 Ford I once  had, my first  car 
(about
> age 16). We thought it was  dying,  sold it to a friend  (cheap) with a
> warning
> and,   surprisingly, it ran another 5 years for  her. But I knew it was
>  probably  later, it had big fins and this  didn't.
>  --
>
> In  a message dated   12/10/2012 12:43:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>  webstertwenty...@gmail.com writes:
> My parents owned a '55 Chevy,   painted  black with exactly that hood
> ornament.  The only  thing on  the car that  didn't break.  The interior
> cloth  upholstery was  notable for it's being  woven out of mouse  hair.
>
> On 12/10/2012 12:06  PM, eactiv...@aol.com   wrote:
>> The full title of this actually is  "Taking Off   Into The  Wild Blue
> Yonder."
>> But I thought  that  might be a little long for  the  subject  line.
>>
>>   Taken in old town Fremont, CA. A  friend  and I were there  for  
another
>> photographic  reason when we ran into  some enthusiasts (I  think there
> had  been a
>> show  earlier).
>>
>> I  haven't  seen very many of these ornaments. I  liked itsshadow.
>>
>> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/blueyonder.html
>>
>> Comments  welcome.
>>
>
>> Marnie aka Doe :-)   No idea as  to  year and all that, but  the make  is
>> obvious.
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: PESO - St. Nicholas

[Eactivist]

I like it with the people spread out, because it  looks like a "working 
church." But it strikes me as being crooked and because it  is so geometric, if 
it was me, I'd probably rotate it a bit and crop it a bit  for more impact.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-)  (You wouldn't believe how  many pics I have to 
straighten out. Heh.)  
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In a message dated 12/12/2012  7:11:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
rwomer1...@yahoo.com writes:
There are  two St. Nicholas churches in Prague.  This is in the larger one, 
west of  the  river:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16664154&size=lg

Comments  appreciated!

Cheers,

Rick

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Re: PESO - Redwood Sculpture

[Jack Davis]

I like it, Marnie. Interesting and I'm sure would appeal to many.
The uneven lighting is a little distracting. Maybe a little smoother gradation 
on the left(?)

Jack

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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:33 AM
Subject: PESO - Redwood Sculpture


Taken at Big Basin Redwoods State Park in  the Santa Cruz Mountains, this 
past  year.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/redsculpt.html

Comments  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  


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OT: drawing for a free Nikon D800 or Canon 5D Mk iii

[Darren Addy]

A small chance is better than no chance (to win a Nikon D800E or a
Canon 5D Mk III) eh?
And unlike the lottery, this one costs you nothing but apparently does
require you have a Facebook log-in.
The only reason I have one is for crap like this.
:)
http://woobox.com/oxfrt9/2gxd40

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Re: PESO - Redwood Sculpture

[Eactivist]

Thanks. Interesting reaction, I thought the  lighting was part of it. But I 
did bump up the contrast so I could bump it back  down. I may put up one 
later with less light and see if you like it  better.

Thanks for looking and the comments.

Marnie :-)

In  a message dated 12/13/2012 8:14:39 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jdavi...@yahoo.com writes:
I like it, Marnie. Interesting and I'm sure would  appeal to many.
The uneven lighting is a little distracting. Maybe a little  smoother 
gradation on the left(?)

Jack

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To:  pdml@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:33 AM
Subject:  PESO - Redwood Sculpture


Taken at Big Basin Redwoods State Park  in  the Santa Cruz Mountains, this 
past   year.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/redsculpt.html

Comments   welcome.

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[Don Guthrie]

Darren thanks for taking time to view & comment. Yes, no software can 
replicate the DOF of a true fast lens wide open. The one drawback of the 
Rokinon is it doesn't focus close like I'm sure the 50mm did.



pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:38:25 -0600
From: Darren Addy
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Speaking to the photograph, I liked it. DOF reminded me of some shots
I took with the Pentax SMC K 50mm f1.2 wide open (back before I sold
that lens).




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Re: PESO - Uncle Dropsy

[Don Guthrie]

Well he looks like a character. No really like a character in a movie.


pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:38:18 + (UTC)
From:"knarftheria...@gmail.com"  
To:PDML@pdml.net
Subject: PESO - Uncle Dropsy
Message-ID:

<123585372.9942.1355351915701.javamail.se...@ap0.p2.fra.samsungsocialhub.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Another of Toronto's more charismatic messengers, this is David "Uncle Dropsy", 
messenger by day, hip hop artist by night:

  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/12/uncle-dropsy.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.

Cheers,
frank

"If the world were clear, art would not exist." -- Albert Camus



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[Don Guthrie]

Thank you for your comments after browsing. Appreciated.

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:41:26 -0800
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:

>But Godfrey it was raining & I would have to have gotten out of the car.
>Actually this was a test to see how well it worked handheld. I like shooting
>from a tripod it is a whole different way to take pictures.

:-)


>Did anyone look at the photo to see whether worked?
>
>http://donspix.posterous.com/#

Yes indeed, a very nice photo.

Actually, I took the opportunity to look through your posterous blog
which I hadn't done for a while. A lot of lovely photos in there.
Bravo!

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Re: PESO 2012 - 138 - GDG

[Don Guthrie]

Very interesting. Did not realize it was 6x6. I have a small collection 
of old folding cameras but I can't imagine putting any of them in 
service even if I had the film. Thanks for doing it so I don't have to.



pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

If you will indulge my curious nature, what specifically did this camera
>bring to this scene.

Thanks for commenting, Don!

Balda made quite a lot of nice, compact cameras once upon a time, but
that time was now quite long ago. I first heard of their cameras about
a decade and a half ago from a good friend who enjoyed them.

Well, first off the very compact nature of the camera when folded
makes it a pleasure to slip in my jacket pocket or a small bag when I
go for a walk. Combine that with a natural, wide-normal field of view
and the kind of focus zone control you can only get with a big
negative format (6x6cm in this case), and the "softly sharp" qualities
of the Baltar three-element lens.

It's simply a pleasantly unsophisticated camera to shoot with at a
leisurely pace, and I like the rendering that this lens and 6x6 film
produces. It's never going to compete on the nanoparticle resolution
scale of modern cameras and lenses ...;-)  ... but I'm moving away
from that aesthetic vogue in recent times.

In this exposure, I was shooting in the bright, heavily overcast
morning light, which spread soft flare across the frame. I set the
focus and aperture to slightly blur infinity by 'shorting' the
hyperfocal a little bit, looking for the geometry and flare to meld
together into a cool, winter morning feel with that sinuous path
drawing you towards the light.

I've got a few more shots from this roll (about 7 out of 12 exposures
seem worth a second glance, maybe one or two more will make the cut
for posting) ... I like this pace in photography. 12 exposures a week,
whether I need them or not.;-)

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[Don Guthrie]

Thanks for the look Steve, it was sort of an effect of the rain and the 
lens. If I ever print it I would try to PS that branch out.



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Message: 12 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:22:29 -0700 From: steve harley
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Subject: Re: Rokinon 85/1.4 on sale at B&H Message-ID:
<50c911b5.1090...@paper-ape.com> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8; format=flowed on 2012-12-12 15:34 Don Guthrie wrote

>Did anyone look at the photo to see whether worked?

i enjoyed the composition, but was put off by the odd glow around the
out-of-focus twig ? a failing of the lens, not the photographer



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Re: PESO - Flowering corn plant

[Don Guthrie]

Ann, my wife and I care for a hundred houseplants & succulents including 
the odd "corn plant" but I have never seen or heard of one flowering. 
Color me impressed and even amazed. Oh nice photograph of same.



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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:07:28 -0500
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There is a story with it, told in the caption

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2269117846_PqBcg7S/Large

the next photo in the gallery is a shot of the whole plant - just for
perspective - not happy with that shot.

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Re: PESO - Flowering corn plant

[Ann Sanfedele]

Neither had I and I was super amazed... then I googled "flowering corn 
plant" and read a bunch of emails in plant chat rooms.


I'm still reeling with delight... and it is still powerfully fragrant in 
the _evening_  less so by day. fascinating stuff


ann

On 12/13/2012 12:18, Don Guthrie wrote:

Ann, my wife and I care for a hundred houseplants & succulents including
the odd "corn plant" but I have never seen or heard of one flowering.
Color me impressed and even amazed. Oh nice photograph of same.


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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:07:28 -0500
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There is a story with it, told in the caption

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2269117846_PqBcg7S/Large


the next photo in the gallery is a shot of the whole plant - just for
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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[P. J. Alling]

Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800 
pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in a 
35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution 
improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.


On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

Looks like it is:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html




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Re: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

[Walt]

Thanks, Jack!

-- Walt

On 12/12/2012 12:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Nice!

Jack
- Original Message -
From: Walt 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:21 AM
Subject: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

Taking another shot at posting a few images from yesterday morning, taken just 
before I finally rolled in from a night of revelry and debauchery.

Taken with my K20D and FA 50/1.4

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157632224235652/

As always, comments and suggestions are eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[steve harley]

on 2012-12-12 20:24 John Sessoms wrote

He's done some "transportation" stuff that LOOKED Ok - rockets & jet planes,
although the little car is kind of ugly. I think the little car might be
drivable, but the rockets ain't never going to fly.


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RE: Pentax 645D IR

[J.C. O'Connell]

And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.

-
J.C.O'Connell
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Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800 
pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in a 
35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution 
improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.

On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Looks like it is:
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html
>


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Re: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

[Walt]

Thank you, Marnie.

It's actually a steam column from a cooling tower at a uranium 
enrichment plant, which lends a little credence to the post-apocalyptic 
look, now that I think about it. ;)


Also, I agree with you on that little bit poking in on the left. I'll 
give it a shot, and if I can't do a credible job, I may just crop it out 
completely.


Thanks again!

-- Walt

On 12/12/2012 12:11 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Nice Geso. Top one is a very unusual cloud, sort  of end of the worldish.
Is that a flock of birds in front of the cloud? Nice  shot.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  To give it more impact, I'd clone out the  little bit
of cloud sticking in on the left. But that is me.

In  a message dated 12/12/2012 9:21:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ldott...@gmail.com writes:
Taking another shot at posting a few images from  yesterday morning,
taken just before I finally rolled in from a night of  revelry and
debauchery.

Taken with my K20D and FA  50/1.4

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157632224235652/

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Re: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

[Walt]

Thank you, Frank!

I always try to take advantage of nice, warm light whenever it presents 
itself.


-- Walt


On 12/12/2012 9:58 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

The first one is amazing.

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Walt 
Sent: December 12, 2012 12/12/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

Taking another shot at posting a few images from yesterday morning,
taken just before I finally rolled in from a night of revelry and
debauchery.

Taken with my K20D and FA 50/1.4

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157632224235652/

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Thanks!

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Re: Cameras and Photography

[John Francis]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:53:22PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> >> 
> >> On the flip side, I don't know why image processing software can't bin the 
> >> smaller pixels, when resolution isn't needed, to produce the same effect 
> >> as larger pixels.  Arguably, equivalent noise and higher resolution by 
> >> being better able to guess which spikes are noise and which are part of 
> >> the signal.
> > 
> > Some cameras do exactly that.  I can't remember which off the top of my 
> > head right now.
> 
> I'd rather have the feature in lightroom, unless there is some hardware 
> related reason to do it in the camera.  

I think you already have.  From a mathematical standpoint I have difficulty 
seeing how this is in any way different from simple image size reduction (with 
a suitable filter kernel).

You can't really make use of signals sampled above the Nyquist limit for the 
final image without risking aliasing.


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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is a crappy toilet.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> on 2012-12-12 20:24 John Sessoms wrote
>>
>> He's done some "transportation" stuff that LOOKED Ok - rockets & jet
>> planes,
>> although the little car is kind of ugly. I think the little car might be
>> drivable, but the rockets ain't never going to fly.
>
>
> his $1300 toilet looks pretty cool, but i have my doubts about that square
> seat
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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Tom C]

> From: "J.C. O'Connell" 
>
> And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:53 PM
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>
> Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800
> pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in a
> 35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution
> improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.
>
> On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>> Looks like it is:
>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html
>>

Don't worry though Pentax isn't behind...

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Re: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The first image is incredibly dramatic, and I like the "star" in the second.
Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Walt  wrote:
> Thanks, Jack!
>
> -- Walt
>
> On 12/12/2012 12:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>
>> Nice!
>>
>> Jack
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Walt 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012
>>
>> Taking another shot at posting a few images from yesterday morning, taken
>> just before I finally rolled in from a night of revelry and debauchery.
>>
>> Taken with my K20D and FA 50/1.4
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157632224235652/
>>
>> As always, comments and suggestions are eagerly accepted.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -- Walt
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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[P. J. Alling]

On 12/13/2012 12:56 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2012-12-12 20:24 John Sessoms wrote
He's done some "transportation" stuff that LOOKED Ok - rockets & jet 
planes,

although the little car is kind of ugly. I think the little car might be
drivable, but the rockets ain't never going to fly.


his $1300 toilet looks pretty cool, but i have my doubts about that 
square seat


 



If you've got $1300 for a square toilet, you can afford to have your 
butt reshaped to fit, I guess.


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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Darren Addy]

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>> From: "J.C. O'Connell" 
>>
>> And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:53 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Pentax 645D IR
>>
>> Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800
>> pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in a
>> 35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution
>> improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.
>>
>> On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>>> Looks like it is:
>>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html
>>>
>
> Don't worry though Pentax isn't behind...
>
> Tom C.


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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Paul Sorenson]

Designed for "square shooters".  Do you suppose the design carries 
through to the opening in the inner seat?  Would sure shorten one's time 
in the "reading room".


-p

On 12/13/2012 12:29 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is a crappy toilet.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM, steve harley  wrote:

on 2012-12-12 20:24 John Sessoms wrote


He's done some "transportation" stuff that LOOKED Ok - rockets & jet
planes,
although the little car is kind of ugly. I think the little car might be
drivable, but the rockets ain't never going to fly.



his $1300 toilet looks pretty cool, but i have my doubts about that square
seat



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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Bob Sullivan]

LOL

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>>> From: "J.C. O'Connell" 
>>>
>>> And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:53 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: Pentax 645D IR
>>>
>>> Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800
>>> pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in a
>>> 35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution
>>> improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
 Looks like it is:
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html

>>
>> Don't worry though Pentax isn't behind...
>>
>> Tom C.
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Re: Filters

[Darren Addy]

The image set linked to was not mine, so I'm afraid I can't give you
personal experience yet. If you have a Flickr/Yahoo account you can
probably ask the photographer with a comment on the image you are
referring to.

After reading about this some time ago, I did procure a couple good
quality 77mm polarizer filters (on circular and one linear) from off
ebay for a total of $40. Somebody couldn't get them apart and sold
them that way, as a set. (Wasn't that tough to get them apart.) Have
not done any experiments with them myself yet, however.

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Re: OT - Dr. Alex Moulton, inventor of small-wheeled bicycle dies

[John Francis]

Not just the Mini - he was also responsible for putting torsion-bar
suspension into a cheap for-the-masses vehicle (the Morris Minor), and
the "Hydrolastic" suspension on the Morris 1100 (although Citroen had
been using something similar on their DS models for several years).


On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:17:22AM +, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> I had no idea he also worked on the suspension of the original Mini.
> 
> His bikes were very cool:
> 
>  http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-20691388
> 
> cheers,
> frank 
> 
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Final release of Lightroom 4.3 now available

[Darren Addy]

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/12/lightroom-4-3-now-available.html

Includes support for the new Pentax K-5ii, K-5iis, and Q10.

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New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[Jack Davis]

Doug,
 
Was a bit of a surprise when in poped up, but am getting along very well with 
the logic of the new site design.
 
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Re: PESO blue piano player

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 13, 2012, at 7:58 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

> Blue Paino Player is good, all nice, though the last two head shots 2nd  
> from the end don't do much for me.

Thanks.  I was getting pretty experimental with the last two head shots (of the 
piano player).

> 
> But I reeeally like the Sax player  with his big baggie pants, nice angle, 
> nice shot. Captures the  mood.

Thanks.  I've gotten some great shots of Erv over the years.  He emotes well 
with his body when playing.

> 
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)  (Think it's a Sax.)  Also like the  head shot of the 
> Black Guy, again, nice angle.
> ---
> 
> In a message  dated 12/13/2012 1:12:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
> l...@red4est.com  writes:
> Went to SF last night to catch a show by Johnny Boyd, who was the  lead 
> singer for one of my favorite swing bands about 15 years ago (Indigo  Swing). 
>  
> Of course I brought my camera.  There were three other people  shooting with 
> DSLRs, so I didn't spend much time taking pictures, though I did  get a few 
> good ones.  Mostly with the 80-200.  An autofocus version of  that lens 
> would be rather handy, I lost a lot of my photos to sloppy  focus.
> 
> I think that my favorite shot of the evening is this one of the  piano 
> player:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268403231/
> 
> Though  I also really like this shot of a couple members of Stompy Jones, 
> who opened the  show:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268399151/
> 
> For them that  are interested, the set of 18 is  at:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632237743666/
> 
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> 
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Re: Cameras and Photography

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 13, 2012, at 10:17 AM, John Francis wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:53:22PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 
 On the flip side, I don't know why image processing software can't bin the 
 smaller pixels, when resolution isn't needed, to produce the same effect 
 as larger pixels.  Arguably, equivalent noise and higher resolution by 
 being better able to guess which spikes are noise and which are part of 
 the signal.
>>> 
>>> Some cameras do exactly that.  I can't remember which off the top of my 
>>> head right now.
>> 
>> I'd rather have the feature in lightroom, unless there is some hardware 
>> related reason to do it in the camera.  
> 
> I think you already have.  From a mathematical standpoint I have difficulty 
> seeing how this is in any way different from simple image size reduction 
> (with a suitable filter kernel).

I expect that normal downsizing is usually with some sort of boxcar filter, 
where the data is simply averaged, rather than analyzed for anomalous spikes 
and such.


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> You can't really make use of signals sampled above the Nyquist limit for the 
> final image without risking aliasing.
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Re: Cameras and Photography

[John Francis]

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:07:33PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> I expect that normal downsizing is usually with some sort of boxcar filter, 
> where the data is simply averaged, rather than analyzed for anomalous spikes 
> and such.

It's usually a bit more sophisticated than that - even PS Elements, for 
example, offers a BiCubic smoothing filter.

But you miss my main point.  Analysing spikes that are lesss than a 
(re-sampled) output pixel in spread is using data that has a higher spatial 
frequency than the Nyquist limit for the re-sampled data. You generally don't 
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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Tom C]

> From: Darren Addy 
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>>> From: "J.C. O'Connell" 
>>>
>>> And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:53 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: Pentax 645D IR
>>>
>>> Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800
>>> pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in a
>>> 35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution
>>> improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
 Looks like it is:
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html

>>
>> Don't worry though Pentax isn't behind...
>>
>> Tom C.
>
>
> Just a reminder: The odds may be long that you will beat Tom, but
> nominations for PDML Troll of the Year are still open until Dec. 31st.

It's a shame when that word's misused to label one's who simply don't
agree with a viewpoint or don't share one's enthusiasm.However, if you
feel the word applies, so be it. At least I'm an honest one.

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Re: PESO - St. Nicholas

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Marnie.  

To make it "squarer" it will need perspective correction, not just rotation and 
cropping.  I may try playing with that.

Rick
 
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I like it with the people spread out, because it  looks like a "working 
church." But it strikes me as being crooked and because it  is so geometric, if 
it was me, I'd probably rotate it a bit and crop it a bit  for more impact.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-)  (You wouldn't believe how  many pics I have to 
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There are  two St. Nicholas churches in Prague.  This is in the larger one, 
west of  the  river:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16664154&size=lg

Comments  appreciated!

Cheers,

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Tom C]

If I was a troll I'd say thinks like the next new release may be the
"Pentax Twinkie". But you see, I'm not a troll, so I wouldn't say
things like that, in anything but jest. :)

Tom C.

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>> From: Darren Addy 
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Tom C  wrote:
 From: "J.C. O'Connell" 

 And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.


 -Original Message-
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:53 PM
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 Subject: Re: Pentax 645D IR

 Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800
 pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in a
 35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution
 improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.

 On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Looks like it is:
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html
>
>>>
>>> Don't worry though Pentax isn't behind...
>>>
>>> Tom C.
>>
>>
>> Just a reminder: The odds may be long that you will beat Tom, but
>> nominations for PDML Troll of the Year are still open until Dec. 31st.
>
> It's a shame when that word's misused to label one's who simply don't
> agree with a viewpoint or don't share one's enthusiasm.However, if you
> feel the word applies, so be it. At least I'm an honest one.
>
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Re: PESO - St. Nicholas

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Bob.
 
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I like including the people in the picture.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> There are two St. Nicholas churches in Prague.  This is in the larger one, 
> west of the river:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16664154&size=lg
>
> Comments appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
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Re: PESO - St. Nicholas

[Ann Sanfedele]

I likes it as it is
ann

On 12/13/2012 16:05, Rick Womer wrote:

Thanks, Marnie.

To make it "squarer" it will need perspective correction, not just rotation and 
cropping.  I may try playing with that.

Rick

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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - St. Nicholas

I like it with the people spread out, because it  looks like a "working
church." But it strikes me as being crooked and because it  is so geometric, if
it was me, I'd probably rotate it a bit and crop it a bit  for more impact.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-)  (You wouldn't believe how  many pics I have to
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There are  two St. Nicholas churches in Prague.  This is in the larger one,
west of  the  river:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16664154&size=lg

Comments  appreciated!

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Stan Halpin]

On Dec 13, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Tom C wrote:

>> From: Darren Addy 
>> 
>> Just a reminder: The odds may be long that you will beat Tom, but
>> nominations for PDML Troll of the Year are still open until Dec. 31st.
> 
> It's a shame when that word's misused to label one's who simply don't
> agree with a viewpoint or don't share one's enthusiasm.However, if you
> feel the word applies, so be it. At least I'm an honest one.
> 
> Tom C.

Tom, it is always useful and refreshing to hear a contrarian view from an 
accomplished photographer, even when you are dead wrong. Without differing 
views, we would be the PML, and what is the fun of that? So, I say, hang in 
there!

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B&H sale on the Bigma for Pentax (and other mounts)

[Darren Addy]

$1299 when you put it in your cart (it doesn't look that cheap
otherwise). Amazon's best price is $1509.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/682767-USA/Sigma_738109_50_500mm_F_4_5_6_3_APO_DG.html

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Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Jack Davis :


Doug,
 
Was a bit of a surprise when in poped up, but am getting along very  
well with the logic of the new site design.



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OT - McCullin in Syria

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Christine Aguila]

All around--the whole thread--too funny!  :-)  Cheers, Christine 



On Dec 13, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Stan Halpin  wrote:

> 
> On Dec 13, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Tom C wrote:
> 
>>> From: Darren Addy 
>>> 
>>> Just a reminder: The odds may be long that you will beat Tom, but
>>> nominations for PDML Troll of the Year are still open until Dec. 31st.
>> 
>> It's a shame when that word's misused to label one's who simply don't
>> agree with a viewpoint or don't share one's enthusiasm.However, if you
>> feel the word applies, so be it. At least I'm an honest one.
>> 
>> Tom C.
> 
> Tom, it is always useful and refreshing to hear a contrarian view from an 
> accomplished photographer, even when you are dead wrong. Without differing 
> views, we would be the PML, and what is the fun of that? So, I say, hang in 
> there!
> 
> stan
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Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[Christine Aguila]

I was wondering that as well!  Cheers, Christine 



On Dec 13, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:

> Quoting Jack Davis :
> 
>> Doug,
>>  
>> Was a bit of a surprise when in poped up, but am getting along very well 
>> with the logic of the new site design.
> 
> 
> There's a new PDML site design?
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Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[Doug Brewer]

What new site design? 

Dougbrewer.wordpress.com

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Re: OT - McCullin in Syria

[Christine Aguila]

Cotty:  have you seen his photos on the Times web site?  Since a subscription 
is required, I can't see them.  But perhaps you have?  Impressions?   Cheers, 
Christine 




On Dec 13, 2012, at 3:47 PM, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:

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Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[Steve Cottrell]

On 13/12/12, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Was a bit of a surprise when in poped up, but am getting along very well
>with the logic of the new site design.

Lay off the jungle juice mate.

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Re: OT - McCullin in Syria

[Steve Cottrell]

On 13/12/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty:  have you seen his photos on the Times web site?  Since a
>subscription is required, I can't see them.  But perhaps you have? 
>Impressions?

No I haven't. Anyone?

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Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[P. J. Alling]

On 12/13/2012 4:35 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Jack Davis :


Doug,
 
Was a bit of a surprise when in poped up, but am getting along very 
well with the logic of the new site design.



There's a new PDML site design?



Yea, there's a donate button at the bottom left.

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Steve Cottrell]

On 13/12/12, Stan Halpin, discombobulated, unleashed:

>it is always useful and refreshing to hear a contrarian view from an
>accomplished photographer, even when you are dead wrong. 

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Re: PESO blue piano player

[Steve Cottrell]

On 13/12/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I think that my favorite shot of the evening is this one of the piano player:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268403231/

Jesus Lar, give a guy some warning! I'm now blind in half the bloody
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Re: PESO blue piano player

[Steve Cottrell]

On 13/12/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>Though I also really like this shot of a couple members of Stompy Jones,
>who opened the show:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268399151/

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

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On 13/12/12, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:

>

Half-arsed Pez dispenser!


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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[John Sessoms]

From: Darren Addy

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Tom C  wrote:

From: "J.C. O'Connell" 

And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.


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Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800
pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in a
35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution
improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.

On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

Looks like it is:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html



Don't worry though Pentax isn't behind...

Tom C.



Just a reminder: The odds may be long that you will beat Tom, but
nominations for PDML Troll of the Year are still open until Dec. 31st.


Fat lot of good that'll do me when I can't even get organized enough to 
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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Darren Addy]

Ya coulda been a CONTENDA, John!
A contenda, I tell ya.

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Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[Jack Davis]

UH HU, but guess I'm the only one to receive it. Always knew I was special.

Jack

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> Doug,
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Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[P. J. Alling]

So your bus is even shorter than the one we're on, ours is petty short.

On 12/13/2012 6:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

UH HU, but guess I'm the only one to receive it. Always knew I was special.

Jack

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Subject: Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

Quoting Jack Davis :


Doug,
 
Was a bit of a surprise when in poped up, but am getting along very well with 
the logic of the new site design.


There's a new PDML site design?


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OT: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[John Sessoms]

This is the computer I use for goofing off on the internet. WindozeXP SP3.

Sometimes this computer will just freeze. Whatever is on the display at 
that time will continue. Mouse pointer won't move. If there's something 
coming from the speakers it will stutter continuously until power is 
shut off. It does this at rare random times.


I turn the speakers off and do a hard power off to reboot. The windoze 
start-up sound is too loud, so I keep the speakers off any time I 
reboot. The windoze volume control doesn't become active until after the 
start-up wave plays.


I thought it might be a defect in the memory, but I recently replaced 
the memory. I removed the existing 1GB DDR2 667 to install 2GB DDR2 800. 
DDR2 667 was no longer available. When I last rebuilt this system DDR2 
667 was the most expensive memory available & when I upgraded memory a 
couple of weeks ago DDR2 800 was the least expensive memory.


One thing I have noticed - when I upgraded the hard-drive a year or so 
ago, I got a local computer shop to clone my old drive onto the new 
drive & expand the volume to fit ... which left me with a 200GB FAT32 
volume. I tried converting to NTFS, but it failed.


I had some other problems and it wasn't until earlier this summer I 
finally figured out how to get SP3 to install. Don't remember the whole 
thing now, but one of the precursor patches wouldn't install because of 
an invalid registry entry for the keyboard. Once I corrected that, the 
precursor patch installed and then SP3 would install.


Once SP3 installed, the NTFS conversion worked as well.

And what I noticed is that on the old FAT32 volume it would run CHKDSK 
every time it started from a hard reboot. With the NTFS volume, it 
doesn't. No log file is generated. It's not a BSOD, so there's no memory 
dump.


The power supply is reasonably new & I put a new, more powerful cooler 
fan on the CPU the last time I replaced the power supply.


What else should I look at?

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Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[Ann Sanfedele]

sorry - you are not special - that's what I used to donate -
OTOH maybe you and I aRE special :-)

ann

On 12/13/2012 18:04, Jack Davis wrote:

UH HU, but guess I'm the only one to receive it. Always knew I was special.

Jack

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Doug,
 
Was a bit of a surprise when in poped up, but am getting along very well with 
the logic of the new site design.



There's a new PDML site design?


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RE: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[Bob W]

I had similar problems with a Dell laptop that I used to use and I never
found out the cause. It started with some problems on  the sound card, and
issues with the fan and overheating. I think the issue was that Windows just
became too fat for the machine to support. I did several re-installs, and
maxed the memory, stripped everything back to basics (as far as that's
possible with Windows and consistent with running something useful and
secure).

It was an old machine so I gave up and bought a new machine with Win7 -
life's too short. I use the old one occasionally for playing with other
operating systems. It currently has Minix on, and someday I'll play about
with it.

B

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms
> 
> This is the computer I use for goofing off on the internet. WindozeXP
> SP3.
> 
> Sometimes this computer will just freeze. Whatever is on the display at
> that time will continue. Mouse pointer won't move. If there's something
> coming from the speakers it will stutter continuously until power is
> shut off. It does this at rare random times.
> 
[...]
> 
> The power supply is reasonably new & I put a new, more powerful cooler
> fan on the CPU the last time I replaced the power supply.
> 
> What else should I look at?



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RE: OT - McCullin in Syria

[Bob W]

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell
> 
> 
> 

He must be mad, at his age.

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[William Robb]

On 13/12/2012 11:57 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.


How is it obsolete? I don't think they stop working when another camera 
comes out, and when the 645D was introduced, it was rather a game changer.
I have spent some time with the 645D. It will take more than a 36mp 
small format camera to make the 645D obsolete.

But, one would have to use both to know this.
I have.
Have you?

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Re: PESO blue piano player

[lrc]

That would explain some of your photos. 
:-)

Steve Cottrell  wrote:

>On 13/12/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I think that my favorite shot of the evening is this one of the piano
>player:
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268403231/
>
>Jesus Lar, give a guy some warning! I'm now blind in half the bloody
>spectrum!!!

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Re: OT: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[Bruce Walker]

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> This is the computer I use for goofing off on the internet. WindozeXP SP3.
>
> Sometimes this computer will just freeze. Whatever is on the display at that
> time will continue. Mouse pointer won't move. If there's something coming
> from the speakers it will stutter continuously until power is shut off. It
> does this at rare random times.
>
> [...]
>
> The power supply is reasonably new & I put a new, more powerful cooler fan
> on the CPU the last time I replaced the power supply.
>
> What else should I look at?

You should look at a Mac.



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Re: PESO - St. Nicholas

[Bruce Walker]

Not only are the people essential to this, but it's great how the
seated ones are well lit.

I see no need to play with warping it at all.

NIce shot!


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> There are two St. Nicholas churches in Prague.  This is in the larger one, 
> west of the river:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16664154&size=lg
>
> Comments appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
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PESO 2012 - 139 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Another Balda photo from the Saturday walk ... The light changed just as I went 
to make this exposure, which gives it a different feel.

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/
or
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/lightbox

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Re: PESO - Redwood Sculpture

[Bruce Walker]

Very nice abstract composition, Marnie. Would be great as a series.

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM,   wrote:
>
> Taken at Big Basin Redwoods State Park in  the Santa Cruz Mountains, this
> past  year.
>
> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/redsculpt.html
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Re: PESO 2012 - 139 - GDG

[Christine Aguila]

That's very nice, Godfrey--nice rich rendering.  Showed to Darrel just now and 
he like it too!  Cheers, Christine 






On Dec 13, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> Another Balda photo from the Saturday walk ... The light changed just as I 
> went to make this exposure, which gives it a different feel.
> 
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/
> or
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/lightbox
> 
> thanks for looking! comments always appreciated.
> 
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PESO -- New Sheriff in Town.

[P. J. Alling]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20newsheriffintown.html

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Re: PESO 2012 - 139 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thank you, Christine!

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> That's very nice, Godfrey--nice rich rendering.  Showed to Darrel just now 
> and he like it too!  Cheers, Christine
>
> On Dec 13, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
>> Another Balda photo from the Saturday walk ... The light changed just as I 
>> went to make this exposure, which gives it a different feel.
>>
>>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/
>> or
>>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/lightbox
>>
>> thanks for looking! comments always appreciated.


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Re: PESO -- New Sheriff in Town.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very cute and appealing!
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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Re: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

[Walt]

Thanks, Dan!

I was really happy that it turned out as well as it did. I wasn't sure 
the birds would come out as discernible as they did.


-- Walt

On 12/13/2012 12:32 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The first image is incredibly dramatic, and I like the "star" in the second.
Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Walt  wrote:

Thanks, Jack!

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On 12/12/2012 12:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Nice!

Jack
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Subject: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

Taking another shot at posting a few images from yesterday morning, taken
just before I finally rolled in from a night of revelry and debauchery.

Taken with my K20D and FA 50/1.4

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157632224235652/

As always, comments and suggestions are eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

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Re: PESO -- New Sheriff in Town.

[Bruce Walker]

That's really cute! Great portrait.


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RE: PESO -- New Sheriff in Town.

[Gerrit Visser]

Nice display of attitude, eyes are rather captivating.

Gerrit

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 13, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Tom C wrote:

>> From: Darren Addy 
>> 
>> Just a reminder: The odds may be long that you will beat Tom, but
>> nominations for PDML Troll of the Year are still open until Dec. 31st.
> 
> It's a shame when that word's misused to label one's who simply don't
> agree with a viewpoint or don't share one's enthusiasm.However, if you
> feel the word applies, so be it. At least I'm an honest one.
> 
> Tom C.


Tom, your recent "Pentax is dead" post may not have been meant as a troll, 
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Re: PESO - St. Nicholas

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Bruce!

Rick
 
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Not only are the people essential to this, but it's great how the
seated ones are well lit.

I see no need to play with warping it at all.

NIce shot!


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> There are two St. Nicholas churches in Prague.  This is in the larger one, 
> west of the river:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16664154&size=lg
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> Comments appreciated!
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>
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Re: PESO -- New Sheriff in Town.

[Bob Sullivan]

PJ,  Love her eyes...  Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO -- New Sheriff in Town.

[Eactivist]

Cute. Boy, she has some eyes.

Marnie aka  Doe :-)

In a message dated 12/13/2012 5:46:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
webstertwenty...@gmail.com  writes:
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Re: New PDML Site Design (Doug)

[Eactivist]

New is obviously a relative word (but the donate  button was new to me too).

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

In a message dated  12/13/2012 1:35:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
apathy...@lyons-ryan.org  writes:
Quoting Jack Davis :

>  Doug,
>  
> Was a bit of a surprise when in poped up, but  am getting along very  
> well with the logic of the new site  design.


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Re: PESO - Redwood Sculpture

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Thanks, Bruce.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

In a message dated 12/13/2012 4:51:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  br
uce.wal...@gmail.com writes:
Very nice abstract composition, Marnie. Would  be great as a series.

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM,wrote:
>
> Taken at Big Basin Redwoods  State Park in  the Santa Cruz Mountains, this
> past   year.
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Does anyone use Jeffrey Friedl's LR plugins?

[Gerrit Visser]

Specifically folder-status and folder-publisher?

I am trying to prepare for a 90+ day photo shoot and I think I might need
some help in reminding myself what I have and haven't done to my (and my
wife's ) DNG/PEF's. Also to have a folder structure parallel to the 'real'
stuff for blog quality photos. It seems that these 2 plugins would fit the
bill.
http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-publisher
http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-status 

Any comments on these?


Gerrit


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Re: OT - McCullin in Syria

[David Mann]

On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Bob W  wrote:

>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> He must be mad, at his age.

My thought wasn't "mad", it was "hard".  Maybe he should join Sir Ranulph 
Fiennes on his upcoming adventure.  Those old buggers are showing us young ones 
how it's done.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Anthony Farr]

On 13 December 2012 14:24, John Sessoms  wrote:
> None of his chairs looked like they'd be comfortable to sit in.

And if you did sit on one, I'm certain you'd be shown the door and
asked not to return.  They're for looking at, not using.

regards, Anthony

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Re: Does anyone use Jeffrey Friedl's LR plugins?

[David Parsons]

I don't use those plugins, but his work is very thorough and well
thought out, even if there is a bit of a learning curve to some of
them.

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
> Specifically folder-status and folder-publisher?
>
> I am trying to prepare for a 90+ day photo shoot and I think I might need
> some help in reminding myself what I have and haven't done to my (and my
> wife's ) DNG/PEF's. Also to have a folder structure parallel to the 'real'
> stuff for blog quality photos. It seems that these 2 plugins would fit the
> bill.
> http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-publisher
> http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-status
>
> Any comments on these?
>
>
> Gerrit
>
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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Tom C]

> From: William Robb 
>
> On 13/12/2012 11:57 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>> And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.
>>
>>
> How is it obsolete? I don't think they stop working when another camera
> comes out, and when the 645D was introduced, it was rather a game changer.
> I have spent some time with the 645D. It will take more than a 36mp
> small format camera to make the 645D obsolete.
> But, one would have to use both to know this.
> I have.
> Have you?

Not intending to butt heads with you Bill. It's obviously not
obsolete, but it loses a degree of relevance. If one can arguably get
a camera that's quite close in resolution and other performance
factors, with a huge lens catalog to choose from. for about 1/3 the
price...

I looked yesterday  and cannot remember the figures, but the DxO
scores were fairly close between the aforementioned bodies (one troll
to another).

Tom C,

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Anthony Farr]

Answering my own message because I'm addressing a raft of issues from
various correspondents in this thread and reaching back through the
life of the K-01.  I don't want to single out anyone, it's a
collective thang.

A Google image search for  "toilet suite" will find a lot of square
and rectangular toilets.  I've been seeing them (and using them) for
years now, if people got out more they'd be less amazed by the
concept.  Or was it an opportunity to infer that Marc Newson is a
shithouse designer because he designed a toilet?  In fact he designed
an entire bathroom range, it'd be a serious omission if a toilet suite
wasn't a part of it.

I think the attitude to the K-01 is one of "Get your stinking paws off
Pentax, you damn dirty foreign designer".  How many times does it need
to be said that the form factor and the feature list of the K-01 were
Pentax's decisions, not Marc Newson's.  Once again, the form factor
and the feature list of the K-01 were Pentax's decisions, not Marc
Newson's.  For the hard of hearing I'll repeat it, the form factor and
the feature list of the K-01 were Pentax's decisions, not Marc
Newson's.  And for the visually impaired,   T H E   F O R M   F A C T
O R   A N D   T H E   F E A T U R E   L I S T   O F   T H E   K - 0 1
 W E R E   P E N T A X ' S   D E C I S I O N S ,   N O T   M A R C   N
E W S O N ' S  .

Is the K-01 any squarer than an LX?  You'd think it was a cinderblock
from the gripes I've read.  For the record it's 22.5mm narrower,
11.5mm shorter, 8mm thicker and 4g lighter than a gripless LX.  And
the LX was praised for it's feel in the hand.  And, by the way, the
next time anyone complains of the K-01's thickness, consider that it
will do screwdriver AF with any K-AF lens since Pentax made AF lenses.
 An mount adapter won't give that, the body needed screwdriver AF to
ensure backwards AF compatibility.  A short mount would only have been
AF-adaptable to SDM lenses, and AFAIK no-one has ever produced a mount
adapter with an integrated AF motor.

If Pentax had taken the short mount plus adapter route we'd still be
hearing the squealing and whining and moaning today, even from people
who wouldn't buy a K-01 anyway.

There's the rub, the biggest complaints appear to be coming from
people who were the most unlikely to ever buy one.  OTOH I've read
some reports from people who bought a K-01 and seem to be OK with
their choice.

Over the years I've observed that single-lens-reflex purists are the
most uncompromising group of photographers around, with respect to
their acceptance of any other type of viewfinder (or no viewfinder).
For them I suggest a future PUG theme, "No Viewfinders Allowed - A
Gallery of From-the-Hip and Overhead Shooting".  I'd also suggest that
enough is enough, we know how you feel about optical frame 'finders
and wire frame 'finders and live-view-on-the LCD 'finders and no
'finders.  Just don't buy them and see if I care.

Finally, pardon my grumpiness.  I have prostate cancer, and last week
underwent a brachytherapy implant after a year of hormone blockers.  I
still hurt (a cough or sneeze is unbearable), have no endurance, scant
tolerance, and I have to carry a sieve and a lead container everywhere
in case a radioactive pellet gets loose when I pee.  Have a nice day.

regards, Anthony

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Geminids tonight (Thursday)

[Igor Roshchin]

A colleague of mine, astronomer, just sent e-mail:

> If you have never seen a meteor shower, tonight is your night. The
> Geminids are particularly active - 1 meteor a minute or so. It could get
> even better as we go into morning.

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Paul Sorenson]

Sorry to hear about your condition, Anthony.  Here's hoping the pellets 
do their job...


-p

On 12/13/2012 11:28 PM, Anthony Farr wrote:

Answering my own message because I'm addressing a raft of issues from
various correspondents in this thread and reaching back through the
life of the K-01.  I don't want to single out anyone, it's a
collective thang.

A Google image search for  "toilet suite" will find a lot of square
and rectangular toilets.  I've been seeing them (and using them) for
years now, if people got out more they'd be less amazed by the
concept.  Or was it an opportunity to infer that Marc Newson is a
shithouse designer because he designed a toilet?  In fact he designed
an entire bathroom range, it'd be a serious omission if a toilet suite
wasn't a part of it.

I think the attitude to the K-01 is one of "Get your stinking paws off
Pentax, you damn dirty foreign designer".  How many times does it need
to be said that the form factor and the feature list of the K-01 were
Pentax's decisions, not Marc Newson's.  Once again, the form factor
and the feature list of the K-01 were Pentax's decisions, not Marc
Newson's.  For the hard of hearing I'll repeat it, the form factor and
the feature list of the K-01 were Pentax's decisions, not Marc
Newson's.  And for the visually impaired,   T H E   F O R M   F A C T
O R   A N D   T H E   F E A T U R E   L I S T   O F   T H E   K - 0 1
  W E R E   P E N T A X ' S   D E C I S I O N S ,   N O T   M A R C   N
E W S O N ' S  .

Is the K-01 any squarer than an LX?  You'd think it was a cinderblock
from the gripes I've read.  For the record it's 22.5mm narrower,
11.5mm shorter, 8mm thicker and 4g lighter than a gripless LX.  And
the LX was praised for it's feel in the hand.  And, by the way, the
next time anyone complains of the K-01's thickness, consider that it
will do screwdriver AF with any K-AF lens since Pentax made AF lenses.
  An mount adapter won't give that, the body needed screwdriver AF to
ensure backwards AF compatibility.  A short mount would only have been
AF-adaptable to SDM lenses, and AFAIK no-one has ever produced a mount
adapter with an integrated AF motor.

If Pentax had taken the short mount plus adapter route we'd still be
hearing the squealing and whining and moaning today, even from people
who wouldn't buy a K-01 anyway.

There's the rub, the biggest complaints appear to be coming from
people who were the most unlikely to ever buy one.  OTOH I've read
some reports from people who bought a K-01 and seem to be OK with
their choice.

Over the years I've observed that single-lens-reflex purists are the
most uncompromising group of photographers around, with respect to
their acceptance of any other type of viewfinder (or no viewfinder).
For them I suggest a future PUG theme, "No Viewfinders Allowed - A
Gallery of From-the-Hip and Overhead Shooting".  I'd also suggest that
enough is enough, we know how you feel about optical frame 'finders
and wire frame 'finders and live-view-on-the LCD 'finders and no
'finders.  Just don't buy them and see if I care.

Finally, pardon my grumpiness.  I have prostate cancer, and last week
underwent a brachytherapy implant after a year of hormone blockers.  I
still hurt (a cough or sneeze is unbearable), have no endurance, scant
tolerance, and I have to carry a sieve and a lead container everywhere
in case a radioactive pellet gets loose when I pee.  Have a nice day.

regards, Anthony



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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Anthony Farr]

Thanks, Paul.  Sympathy is a good soother, yours is appreciated.

regards, Anthony



On 14 December 2012 17:02, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> Sorry to hear about your condition, Anthony.  Here's hoping the pellets do
> their job...
>
> -p
>
>

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