date:20130719

It's quite appropriate that a bird known for his superb night vision
is captured by a camera renowned for the same. Beautiful animal,
Larry.

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I was killing time waiting for my sister's plane to arrive, by taking photos
> of planes landing at San Jose airport.  It was a bit after sunset and I was
> walking along the fence and I saw this little guy sitting on the fence.
> The photos are a bit rough, but for hand held, after sunset, at 500mm and
> at ISO 10,000 they aren't too bad.
>
> This is probably the clearest:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9310682903/in/set-72157634684347823
>
> If anyone wants to ID it for me, here's the whole set:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157634684347823/
>
> My first thought was that it was some sort of owl, but maybe a little falcon?
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Re: PESO: Favorite from Wednesday portrait session

A very pretty girl, Walt, with a pleasant expression. Nicely oof background.

I'd darken her ear somewhat. A little rim light from behind would have
been nice to separate her hair from the black background, esp. near
her upper forehead, right. Perhaps that line is clearer in the colour
original?

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt  wrote:
> Dealing with the horrid heat and humidity sucked pretty badly, but it wasn't
> without its rewards. This one is of the oldest child of the family, Amaya.
> She has really beautiful skin, and it's a shame I had to photograph her in
> the weather as it was, but I thought this turned out pretty damned well in
> spite of it all.
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9319667018/
> K-5, F50/1.7, 1/90 sec., ISO 100, f/5.6
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> Comments, critiques and suggestions eagerly accepted.
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RE: PESO: Favorite from Wednesday portrait session

You caught a wonderful expression there. Works really well in monochrome.

Gerrit

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Dealing with the horrid heat and humidity sucked pretty badly, but it wasn't
without its rewards. This one is of the oldest child of the family, Amaya.
She has really beautiful skin, and it's a shame I had to photograph her in
the weather as it was, but I thought this turned out pretty damned well in
spite of it all.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9319667018/
K-5, F50/1.7, 1/90 sec., ISO 100, f/5.6

Comments, critiques and suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

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RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-)
http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/

My wife took the photo with her K100D.

Gerrit

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On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:

> Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious 
> conversation into absurdity or something? :)

I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.

Cheers,
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Re: Boris PESO #32 - Communications


Quoting Boris Liberman :


Hi!

Managed to capture this little funny scene...

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/07/2013-32-communications.html




It's a bit tight at the top but, other than that, well spotted.

A very unusual scene.


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Re: PESO for the foot enthusiasts


Quoting Bruce Walker :


One in a red shoe, one escaped ...

http://flic.kr/p/fbCZ2z



That apple has certainly earned its keep  :-)>

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Re: PESO: ladies' man


Quoting Paul Stenquist :


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17463209&size=lg



He's certainly enjoying the attention - can't say I blame him...



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Re: PESO: Race Wheels


Quoting David Mann :

Not a serious photo, just thought the bike enthusiasts might like  
it.  I've been keeping an eye out for some carbon aero race wheels  
for my triathlon bike and finally found a suitable set at a good  
price, from a trustworthy seller.


So I can now look fast... actually being fast is another matter!

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/635/#peso




That looks like serious gear.  Where do you stash the bricks?

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Re: Annoyed by BuyDig -- big Boo!

2013-07-19 Thread Eric Weir

On Jul 18, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:

> Never used BuyDig, but several years ago, when we were young and young
> people still used email, my husband had the foresight to set up a
> "junk" email account for us... We never give our personal email
> addresses out when shopping, making a donation, setting up login
> accounts, etc..  Even the kids' sports teams or other organizations
> get the "junk" address... We check it every  now & then for something
> interesting, but for the most part, that's where our spam is….

Cool idea. Wish I'd thought of it. Especially at the beginning.

> I am lax at weeding out email... there are currently
> over 5100 unread messages in my inbox, 7340 in the pdml folder, and
> over 11,456 in the junk pile...  Is that bad?

For me it would be. I'm not that bad, but it drives me nuts to have folders 
full of stuff that now way will I ever have time even to glance at let alone 
read. Culling mail folders is work. I've taken a lesson from my lex-wife. I 
make a realistic assessment: Am I ever gonna do anything with this? If not, it 
goes in the trash---when I get around to it. Seems like i'm always behind.

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts

Bill wrote:

>On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>> And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for 
>> change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of 
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>> do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And 
>> since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for 
>> switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any 
>> other wrong comments.)
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>topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than  reply to 
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>Why can't you just leave well enough alone?

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

Now that's a chill cat. :)

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Mark Roberts
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> Bill wrote:
>
>>On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>> And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for
>>> change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of
>>> affairs as "that's the way we've always done it". If people actually
>>> do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And
>>> since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for
>>> switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any
>>> other wrong comments.)
>>Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the added
>>beauty that one can participate in several different conversations at
>>the same time, and can take a conversation off list if it goes off
>>topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than  reply to
>>list would result in confusion and suicide.
>>Why can't you just leave well enough alone?
>
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RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

Thank you Zos. 
We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3
months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered
(cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than
before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-)

gerrit

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Now that's a chill cat. :)



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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

She did a great job, Gerrit.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
> I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-)
> http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/
>
> My wife took the photo with her K100D.
>
> Gerrit
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>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>
>> Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
>> conversation into absurdity or something? :)
>
> I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Race Wheels

You need a kick-stand for it, Dave. ;-)

Woah, that looks so fast standing still I'm surprised there isn't
motion blur in the shot.

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> Not a serious photo, just thought the bike enthusiasts might like it.  I've 
> been keeping an eye out for some carbon aero race wheels for my triathlon 
> bike and finally found a suitable set at a good price, from a trustworthy 
> seller.
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> So I can now look fast... actually being fast is another matter!
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> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/635/#peso
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Re: PESO for the foot enthusiasts

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Quoting Bruce Walker :
>
>> One in a red shoe, one escaped ...
>>
>> http://flic.kr/p/fbCZ2z
>
>
> That apple has certainly earned its keep  :-)>

I thought about putting it on eBay. ;-)


> Nice composition.  I like it!

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PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall


G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of  
the most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way  
many homes have decorations on their external walls.


This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html

I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html


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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

This is my cat Miss Kitty...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3731137000741&set=a.1858581428022.2094779.1345484924&type=3&theater

Not taken with a pentax though. This was the last picture I took with
my good old Panny FZ-35 before I sold it to a friend for a song.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a
> term lease on it which has now expired.
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
>> Thank you Zos.
>> We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3
>> months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered
>> (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than
>> before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-)
>>
>> gerrit
>>
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>> Now that's a chill cat. :)
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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a
term lease on it which has now expired.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
> Thank you Zos.
> We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3
> months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered
> (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than
> before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-)
>
> gerrit
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RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

Good capture of the cat attitude of 'when are you going to spoil me some
more'

Gerrit

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This is my cat Miss Kitty...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3731137000741&set=a.1858581428022.20
94779.1345484924&type=3&theater

Not taken with a pentax though. This was the last picture I took with my
good old Panny FZ-35 before I sold it to a friend for a song.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Bruce Walker 
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>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser 
wrote:
>> Thank you Zos.
>> We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 
>> 3 months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost 
>> recovered (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even 
>> more spoiled than before. That used to be my lounge chair on the 
>> balcony :-)
>>
>> gerrit
>>
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>> Now that's a chill cat. :)
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Cat lounger (was: [meta] Reply-to list)

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Gerrit Visser wrote:
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> We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3
> months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered
> (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than
> before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-)

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote:
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> Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the
> default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want
> replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense.

Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing
their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists
I've been on were not reply-to list.  As for why, aside from the issue
about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list
volume.  Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access
and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be
cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that.

Finally, some wankers have religion about Holy Computers and believe that
Reply-To is a sacrilege; I'm not in that category.  ;-)

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)




On 7/19/2013 01:13, David Mann wrote:

On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:


Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
conversation into absurdity or something? :)


I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.

Cheers,
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MARK!

(I'd be sure Mark had read this, ecept he is editing his vacation photos :-)

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)


Look how sharp the cat hairs are on the lounger, too!

sweet photo

ann

On 7/19/2013 08:18, Bruce Walker wrote:

It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a
term lease on it which has now expired.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:

Thank you Zos.
We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3
months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered
(cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than
before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-)

gerrit

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)


That cat has attitude!
love it -
ann

On 7/19/2013 08:38, Zos Xavius wrote:

This is my cat Miss Kitty...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3731137000741&set=a.1858581428022.2094779.1345484924&type=3&theater

Not taken with a pentax though. This was the last picture I took with
my good old Panny FZ-35 before I sold it to a friend for a song.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a
term lease on it which has now expired.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:

Thank you Zos.
We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3
months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered
(cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than
before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-)

gerrit

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts

Aahz Maruch wrote:

>On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the
>> default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want
>> replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense.
>
>Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing
>their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists
>I've been on were not reply-to list.  As for why, aside from the issue
>about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list
>volume.  Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access
>and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be
>cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that.

I can see how one might accidentally slip and send a private message
to the list  been there, done that  but if I compare the ratio of
private emails to public (entire list) emails I've sent in reply to
PDML messages it's well over 100:1. 

Signing on to an email list and then replying to individuals as
standard practice seems like walking onto a stage before an audience
of 1000 people and then shutting off the microphone to the P.A. and
making a cell phone call to a single audience member. It might be
useful on occasion but it's a bizarre default setting.

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread David J Brooks

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:

>
> Signing on to an email list and then replying to individuals as
> standard practice seems like walking onto a stage before an audience
> of 1000 people and then shutting off the microphone to the P.A. and
> making a cell phone call to a single audience member. It might be
> useful on occasion but it's a bizarre default setting.

Something to consider for next years NFW

Dave
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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Jack Davis

Some would be a bigger hit by so doing.

Jack

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Aahz Maruch wrote:

>On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the
>> default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want
>> replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense.
>
>Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing
>their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists
>I've been on were not reply-to list.  As for why, aside from the issue
>about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list
>volume.  Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access
>and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be
>cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that.

I can see how one might accidentally slip and send a private message
to the list been there, done that but if I compare the ratio of
private emails to public (entire list) emails I've sent in reply to
PDML messages it's well over 100:1. 

Signing on to an email list and then replying to individuals as
standard practice seems like walking onto a stage before an audience
of 1000 people and then shutting off the microphone to the P.A. and
making a cell phone call to a single audience member. It might be
useful on occasion but it's a bizarre default setting.

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Re: PESO: Favorite from Wednesday portrait session


Thanks, Gerrit.

The expression kind of reminded me of the old Hollywood headshots from 
the 30's & 40's, so I went with it.


-- Walt


On 7/19/2013 4:38 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote:

You caught a wonderful expression there. Works really well in monochrome.

Gerrit

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Dealing with the horrid heat and humidity sucked pretty badly, but it wasn't
without its rewards. This one is of the oldest child of the family, Amaya.
She has really beautiful skin, and it's a shame I had to photograph her in
the weather as it was, but I thought this turned out pretty damned well in
spite of it all.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9319667018/
K-5, F50/1.7, 1/90 sec., ISO 100, f/5.6

Comments, critiques and suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

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Re: Available model photography


Great tip-sheet, Larry.

In my extremely limited experience of getting people to pose for me 
(though, I suppose the family portraiture I've been doing lately is 
somewhat applicable), I've found that simply reassuring people that it's 
not in my interest to take crappy photographs of them seems to help.


Still, there are some people who, when placed in front of a camera, see 
a firing squad. I'm one of them, so I can sympathize. And maybe that 
helps a little. I was able to get one particular lady to laugh a few 
times by not berating her, but poking a little good-natured fun at her 
obvious fear. And what I ended up capturing was a moment of shy laughter 
-- which, as it happens, captured her personality. And once I captured 
that, I made sure to let her know, "Now THAT'S what I'm looking for!" 
And that seemed to help her relax.


Now that I think about it, one of my quirks when I'm shooting and the 
photos just aren't going my way is to utter an occasional, "Hmm..." or 
"Mm-kay..." as the clunkers pile up, until I finally get a good one -- 
at which point I'll let them know in no uncertain terms. That little bit 
of positive reinforcement seems to work much better than simply doling 
out compliments in getting people to drop their guards. It's as though 
they sense my excitement at getting a good shot and want to do whatever 
it takes to help me get more -- as if the whole matter stops being about 
themselves and suddenly becomes a matter of making good pictures. I've 
even noticed that people will start coming up with their own ideas -- 
some good, some less so -- but I humor them anyway, and it seems to 
foster a cooperative relationship.


With regard to showing them the photos, I've only done that on the back 
of the camera. One thing I've learned is that some images look great on 
the camera display but horrible on a laptop screen, and I don't want to 
risk showing them a photo that might disappoint them. I guess it's a 
little imperious, but my attitude is that it's my job to go through the 
photos and decide which ones are keepers and which ones aren't, and I 
don't have any way of knowing that until I've gone through them all and 
processed them. After all, they have no idea what a photo might look 
like when converted to black & white with a red or blue filter. And 
there's no point in letting them see blemishes that won't be there after 
a little bit of touching up. So, I tell them that I'm going to take them 
home, go through them, pick out the good ones, do some processing and 
get back to them in a few days. They seem more than happy with that 
arrangement (so far).


-- Walt

On 7/7/2013 4:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Certain topics of discussion tend to get a lot of attention in photography
fora, equipment, lighting, composition, and occasionally even things that
you can do to improve your skill as a photographer. Models don't get a lot
of discussion beyond "Where can I find someone willing to pose for me for
free?".

I've been working for a while on the concept of making my subjects feel more
comfortable in front of the camera, but I'm realizing that it is just part
of the bigger question of how to teach your subjects to be better at
modeling. So, first, I will pose (heh!) this question:
"What to people need to be taught to enable the photographer to get better
pictures of them?"

I can see answers ranging from "The model doesn't need to understand anything,
it's the photographer's job to know all that and just tell the model what to
do" to "It's good for the model to understand at least the basics of how
certain poses and their position relative to the light affect their appearance".

I started out from the premise of "Photo sessions for the shy", and here is
what I wrote on the subject of making people feel comfortable in front of the
camera.  I would greatly appreciate feedback, suggestions and further
ideas for future iterations on these topics:

For many, if not most, people, the idea of a photo shoot is both enticing
and intimidating. If you are like most people, you do not have any photos
of your self that are not horrible, which makes the thought of good photos
seem at best, a pleasant fantasy.

How many of the photos of you were taken by someone shoving a point and shoot
camera (or a cellphone) in your face, and then berating you for not smiling?
Even most movie stars are not going to look good in those conditions. Even
apart from the technical limitiations of the camera, the background will
probably be cluttered, the lighting bad, and very few people can give a
genuine, relaxed smile in those conditions.

One very important thing to keep in mind is that a good photograph of
you is not necessarily one that makes you look like a movie star. For me
a good photograph of someone is a beautiful photo, that looks like the
person being photographed.

The most important aspect of getting a good photograph of someone is
getting them to relax. It is hard to relax, however, when just abou

Re: PESO: Favorite from Wednesday portrait session


Thanks, Bruce.

I'll see if I can burn that ear in a bit and maybe dodge the background 
some in Lightroom. I was so focused on getting rid of the shine on her 
skin (that was one of the last shots of the day, so it was pretty 
pronounced by then) that I didn't even notice.


The line is clearer in the original version, but I have similar shots 
that I left in color. I just thought that one was better suited to black 
& white, and with your suggestions, I think it'll be just right.


Thanks again!

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 4:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

A very pretty girl, Walt, with a pleasant expression. Nicely oof background.

I'd darken her ear somewhat. A little rim light from behind would have
been nice to separate her hair from the black background, esp. near
her upper forehead, right. Perhaps that line is clearer in the colour
original?

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt  wrote:

Dealing with the horrid heat and humidity sucked pretty badly, but it wasn't
without its rewards. This one is of the oldest child of the family, Amaya.
She has really beautiful skin, and it's a shame I had to photograph her in
the weather as it was, but I thought this turned out pretty damned well in
spite of it all.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9319667018/
K-5, F50/1.7, 1/90 sec., ISO 100, f/5.6

Comments, critiques and suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Bill


On 18/07/2013 9:49 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote:

On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for
change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of
affairs as "that's the way we've always done it". If people
actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for
change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a
preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except
for addressing any other wrong comments.)

Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the
added beauty that one can participate in several different
conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list
if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather
than  reply to list would result in confusion and suicide.
Why can't you just leave well enough alone?

Really?  That explains why my other lists have died, then.  

So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you.

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

Very cute.
My son's 130 pound Golden Retriever is almost 10 and slowed by the
heat and age.  It will be a sad day when he passes, and they'll need
another dog.  It will be hard to find one with as much personality and
friendly disposition.  Maybe another Golden, but not so big next time.
 This one's a giant!
I know you train dogs and favor Rotties.  I wonder about disposition
with their fearsome reputation.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bill  wrote:
> On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>>
>>> Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
>>> conversation into absurdity or something? :)
>>
>> I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>
> I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do?
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html
>
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whoever is maintaining this list is doing a fine job. sorry i've been
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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

Bruce,
I like the color better as the pot has some interesting color detail.
I know you were sick on this trip, but you got some great images.
Keep them coming.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G'day all
>
> Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.
>
> This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of the
> most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way many homes
> have decorations on their external walls.
>
> This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:
>
> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html
>
> I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex
>
> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html
>
>
> Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or monochrome
> version is preferable.
>
>
> --
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>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
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RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

That is an excellent alternative to the other spam.
He has ind of a 'I need a full frame toy, not this thing' look.

Gerrit

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On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote:
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>
>> Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious 
>> conversation into absurdity or something? :)
> I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>

I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do?

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html

bill

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Re: Oh great ...

Considering Flickr is under the Yahoo banner, I wonder if this isn't 
related to the problems with the Flickr API's that weren't working earlier.


In any event, flickriver and the Flickr Uploadr seem to be working now, 
so maybe the Yahoo issue has straightened out, too.


-- Walt


On 7/19/2013 11:56 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

Now Yahoo is being an ass!

Having trouble replying because I keep getting a message "resources 
are not available" when I hit send & the reply just goes away.


Has the little arrow in Thunderbird that shows I replied to the 
message & message window disappears, but it's nowhere in my local sent 
messages folder & I've never stored the sent messages on the Yahoo 
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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread John Francis

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:49:21PM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote:
> > On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
> >>
> >>And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for
> >>change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of
> >>affairs as "that's the way we've always done it". If people
> >>actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for
> >>change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a
> >>preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except
> >>for addressing any other wrong comments.)
> >
> > Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the
> > added beauty that one can participate in several different
> > conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list
> > if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather
> > than  reply to list would result in confusion and suicide.
> > Why can't you just leave well enough alone?
> 
> Really?  That explains why my other lists have died, then.  

You're not making yourself any friends here, you know.

A lot of this people here have been part of this list for many years.
The way the list works now has served us well for all that time, and
we really don't need somebody telling us how we could do it "better",
for some particular personal viewpoint of what "better" might be.

"Reply" goes to the list; MIME attachements get the message rejected.
(and if your inbox fills up, you get your list account suspended).

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Re: PESO: Amaya II


Thanks again, Gerrit.

The K-5's shake reduction must be a bit better than the K-x's. I was 
able to get reasonably sharp images with it as slow as 1/30 sec., but I 
had to brace or rest my elbows on a solid surface to do it.


The K-5 just seems to keep on doing different impressive things.

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 11:59 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote:

She again has a wondeful look, very natural.

Welcome to K5 land with slow shutter speed not losing you the shot :-)

Gerrit

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Subject: PESO: Amaya II

Here's a color shot of Amaya (the young lady from my last PESO). As a
capture of the subject, I really like it. The background, though, I'm not
sure of.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9322765514/
K-5, F50/1.7, ISO 100, 1/25 sec(!), f/5.6

(Didn't realize the shutter speed until I just now looked it up to post the
info. Yikes!)

Thoughts?

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PESO: Amaya II

Here's a color shot of Amaya (the young lady from my last PESO). As a 
capture of the subject, I really like it. The background, though, I'm 
not sure of.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9322765514/
K-5, F50/1.7, ISO 100, 1/25 sec(!), f/5.6

(Didn't realize the shutter speed until I just now looked it up to post 
the info. Yikes!)


Thoughts?

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)


On 7/19/2013 12:48 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I already posted Birthday  Girl Ashley's so I won't add more cat photos..

But we could always get back to - what was it now.., the Aperture
simulator?

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On 7/19/2013 12:36, Gerrit Visser wrote:

That is an excellent alternative to the other spam.
He has ind of a 'I need a full frame toy, not this thing' look.

Gerrit

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WR kit
zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote:

On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:


Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
conversation into absurdity or something? :)

I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.

Cheers,
Dave



I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do?

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html

bill


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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

Brian I like them both but flipping back & forth I think the B&W is more 
dramatic which may be what a static subject needs. I'd keep them both 
and use as needed says Polonius



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G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of
the most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way
many homes have decorations on their external walls.

This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html

I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html


Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or
monochrome version is preferable.


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Re: Available model photography

On Sun, Jul 07, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
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> I started out from the premise of "Photo sessions for the shy", and here is
> what I wrote on the subject of making people feel comfortable in front of the
> camera.  I would greatly appreciate feedback, suggestions and further 
> ideas for future iterations on these topics:

Looks like a good start, don't forget to do a plain copyediting and
proofreading session before you publish this.  (You have a couple of
spots where the wording is a bit awkward, I assumed you didn't want a
writing critique at this point.)

> The most important aspect of getting a good photograph of someone is
> getting them to relax. It is hard to relax, however, when just about
> every photo that has been taken of you sucks. What this means is that
> the first step in getting good photos of someone, is to take, and show
> them, photos of themself that simply do not suck.

One thing you didn't mention is the option of taking photos of someone
doing an activity.  (Although this is far from guaranteed to work, I took
a really nice photo of my mom cooking and she hated it because it made
her look angry, so I deleted it.)

That reminds me, I've seen advice somewhere (probably this list) that the
photographer should make clear that any photos the model hates will get
deleted.  That probably helps reluctant models relax.
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Re: Question about Tokina Zoom 28-210 vis a vis Pentax


On 7/19/2013 12:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


the friend whose wedding I'm shooting ended up acquiring a Tokina 28-210
zoom which he intentds to give me... He knows nothing about such things
, and is away from home now, but it is a bayonet mount and the rear
element had a red dot on it.  What I don't remember is if Pentax
is the only SLR with clue to positioning the lens to body for mounting
or are there several?

I didn't see it, this was me asking questions over phone but I figured
Bayonet mount, good zoom - worth checking out more anyway.

ann




Every K-mount Tokina lens I've had, the red dot on the rear flange was 
in the right place.


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Re: Favorite from Wednesday portrait session


Thanks, Kenneth.

I have quite a few color shots from the session. The expression in this 
one just seemed to lend itself to B&W -- at least to my eye, anyway.


I'll do a crop and see how it comes out without the flowers. For some 
reason, it just seemed necessary to have something there. But, I reckon 
I could've framed it better.


-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 12:33 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
It seems to me that beautiful skin deserves a color image - tho I'm 
not one for B + W anyhow.


I'd definitely eliminate the flora in the LRH corner.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Walt" 
Subject: PESO: Favorite from Wednesday portrait session


Dealing with the horrid heat and humidity sucked pretty badly, but it 
wasn't without its rewards. This one is of the oldest child of the 
family, Amaya. She has really beautiful skin, and it's a shame I had 
to photograph her in the weather as it was, but I thought this turned 
out pretty damned well in spite of it all.


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9319667018/
K-5, F50/1.7, 1/90 sec., ISO 100, f/5.6

Comments, critiques and suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

-- Walt






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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)


I already posted Birthday  Girl Ashley's so I won't add more cat photos..

But we could always get back to - what was it now.., the Aperture 
simulator?


ann


On 7/19/2013 12:36, Gerrit Visser wrote:

That is an excellent alternative to the other spam.
He has ind of a 'I need a full frame toy, not this thing' look.

Gerrit

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Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit
zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote:

On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:


Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
conversation into absurdity or something? :)

I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.

Cheers,
Dave



I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do?

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html

bill

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RE: Oh great ...

Maybe it sent a very very private message instead of to a list?

Gerrit

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Subject: Oh great ...

Now Yahoo is being an ass!

Having trouble replying because I keep getting a message "resources are not
available" when I hit send & the reply just goes away.

Has the little arrow in Thunderbird that shows I replied to the message &
message window disappears, but it's nowhere in my local sent messages folder
& I've never stored the sent messages on the Yahoo server.

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)


aww

ann

On 7/19/2013 12:05, Charles Robinson wrote:

On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann  wrote:


On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:


Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
conversation into absurdity or something? :)


I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.



Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy.  From 2005:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg

  -Charles

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Re: FSF: LX body, Super Tak 35mm f2.0, SMC K 35mm f2 and more...

If I weren't up to my eyeballs in trying to get something resembling a
studio set up, I'd be all over that 35-105mm.

Strikes me as a potentially excellent portrait lens. [Grumble.]

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 11:42 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I've got a few items that need to find new homes. Actual shipping will
need to be added to the prices below. I'll be happy to ship WORLDWIDE
to pdml members.

Firstly,
I've got a nice working LX body (the later version that goes to 3200
ASA). It's main apology is a dimple dent to the right of the film
advance lever (top side, towards the rear). Doesn't seem to have
affected anything, just a cosmetic boo-boo (and one that isn't seen
from the subject's side)... $195

Next,
I have a minty looking Super Takumar 35mm f/2 (yep, 2.0), It comes
with original caps, and new looking case. It also comes with the
matching Takumar metal hood which comes in it's own new looking case.
This lens has the thorium element and I haven't given it UV treatment
yet, so may require color temp. correction in post. Cosmetically this
kit looks new, except that the previous owner decided to scratch out
the word Takumar on the hood and front ring. (I KNOW!).$189

Next,
Hard to find, SMC K 35mm f2.0 with original caps & hard case (third
party) ... $339
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231240-sale-scarce-super-multi-coated-k-35mm-f2-yep-2-0-gorgeous-case-worldwide.html

Next,
A really Top Shelf, Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 with Genuine Pentax UV filter ... $89
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231238-sale-top-shelf-pentax-m-28mm-f2-8-genuine-pentax-uv-filter-worldwide.html

Pentax-M 50mm f1.7.$39

Pentax-A 35-105mm macro (the famous stack of primes)...$149

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Re: Favorite from Wednesday portrait session

2013-07-19 Thread kwaller

It seems to me that beautiful skin deserves a color image - tho I'm not one 
for B + W anyhow.


I'd definitely eliminate the flora in the LRH corner.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Walt" 

Subject: PESO: Favorite from Wednesday portrait session


Dealing with the horrid heat and humidity sucked pretty badly, but it 
wasn't without its rewards. This one is of the oldest child of the family, 
Amaya. She has really beautiful skin, and it's a shame I had to photograph 
her in the weather as it was, but I thought this turned out pretty damned 
well in spite of it all.


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9319667018/
K-5, F50/1.7, 1/90 sec., ISO 100, f/5.6

Comments, critiques and suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

-- Walt



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RE: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

I really like the colour view. On the BW ithe texture makes it look very
grainy, not so on the colour one.

Gerrit

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Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:36 AM
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Subject: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of the
most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way many homes
have decorations on their external walls.

This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.ht
ml

I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso
.html

Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or monochrome
version is preferable.

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Cheers

Brian

++
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Western Sydney Australia
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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

*gets popcorn*

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Amen!
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Bill  wrote:
>> On 18/07/2013 9:49 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote:

 On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>
> And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for
> change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of
> affairs as "that's the way we've always done it". If people
> actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for
> change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a
> preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except
> for addressing any other wrong comments.)

 Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the
 added beauty that one can participate in several different
 conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list
 if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather
 than  reply to list would result in confusion and suicide.
 Why can't you just leave well enough alone?
>>>
>>> Really?  That explains why my other lists have died, then.  
>>
>> So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you.
>>
>> bill
>>
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Re: FSF: LX body, Super Tak 35mm f2.0, SMC K 35mm f2 and more...

Thanks, Zos.

At least I feel a little less covetous, now. ;)

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 1:03 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Its not great for portraits. Bokeh is a bit busy

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt wrote:

If I weren't up to my eyeballs in trying to get something resembling a
studio set up, I'd be all over that 35-105mm.

Strikes me as a potentially excellent portrait lens. [Grumble.]

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 11:42 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I've got a few items that need to find new homes. Actual shipping will
need to be added to the prices below. I'll be happy to ship WORLDWIDE
to pdml members.

Next,
Hard to find, SMC K 35mm f2.0 with original caps & hard case (third
party) ... $339

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231240-sale-scarce-super-multi-coated-k-35mm-f2-yep-2-0-gorgeous-case-worldwide.html

Next,
A really Top Shelf, Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 with Genuine Pentax UV filter ...
$89

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231238-sale-top-shelf-pentax-m-28mm-f2-8-genuine-pentax-uv-filter-worldwide.html

Pentax-M 50mm f1.7.$39

Pentax-A 35-105mm macro (the famous stack of primes)...$149

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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

That's a terrific image, Brian. And much as I like the colour one, I
think your b&w is the better photo. Marvellous.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G'day all
>
> Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.
>
> This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of the
> most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way many homes
> have decorations on their external walls.
>
> This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:
>
> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html
>
> I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex
>
> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html
>
>
> Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or monochrome
> version is preferable.
>
>
> --
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>
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Re: PESO: Amaya II

2013-07-19 Thread Jack Davis

Nicely composed, Walt.

Jack

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Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: PESO: Amaya II

Here's a color shot of Amaya (the young lady from my last PESO). As a 
capture of the subject, I really like it. The background, though, I'm 
not sure of.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9322765514/
K-5, F50/1.7, ISO 100, 1/25 sec(!), f/5.6

(Didn't realize the shutter speed until I just now looked it up to post 
the info. Yikes!)

Thoughts?

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Charles Robinson

On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann  wrote:

> On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> 
>> Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
>> conversation into absurdity or something? :)
> 
> I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
> 

Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy.  From 2005:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread John


Cool kitty. You ought to submit that one to The Online Photographer.

On 7/19/2013 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote:

I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-)
http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/

My wife took the photo with her K100D.

Gerrit

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On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:


Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
conversation into absurdity or something? :)


I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Favorite from Wednesday portrait session


On 7/19/2013 12:59 AM, Walt wrote:

Dealing with the horrid heat and humidity sucked pretty badly, but it
wasn't without its rewards. This one is of the oldest child of the
family, Amaya. She has really beautiful skin, and it's a shame I had to
photograph her in the weather as it was, but I thought this turned out
pretty damned well in spite of it all.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9319667018/
K-5, F50/1.7, 1/90 sec., ISO 100, f/5.6

Comments, critiques and suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

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Re: PESO: Amaya II


Thanks, Jack.

I really was ambivalent about the background, and couldn't decide 
whether it detracted from the image or not. So, that's reassuring.


-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 1:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Nicely composed, Walt.

Jack


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Subject: PESO: Amaya II

Here's a color shot of Amaya (the young lady from my last PESO). As a
capture of the subject, I really like it. The background, though, I'm
not sure of.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9322765514/
K-5, F50/1.7, ISO 100, 1/25 sec(!), f/5.6

(Didn't realize the shutter speed until I just now looked it up to post
the info. Yikes!)

Thoughts?

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Re: FSF: LX body, Super Tak 35mm f2.0, SMC K 35mm f2 and more...

296 images taken with the Pentax-A 35-105mm on Flickriver
http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa35105mmf35/

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Walt  wrote:
> Thanks, Zos.
>
> At least I feel a little less covetous, now. ;)
>
> -- Walt
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2013 1:03 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>
>> Its not great for portraits. Bokeh is a bit busy
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt  wrote:
>>>
>>> If I weren't up to my eyeballs in trying to get something resembling a
>>> studio set up, I'd be all over that 35-105mm.
>>>
>>> Strikes me as a potentially excellent portrait lens. [Grumble.]
>>>
>>> -- Walt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2013 11:42 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

 I've got a few items that need to find new homes. Actual shipping will
 need to be added to the prices below. I'll be happy to ship WORLDWIDE
 to pdml members.

 Firstly,
 I've got a nice working LX body (the later version that goes to 3200
 ASA). It's main apology is a dimple dent to the right of the film
 advance lever (top side, towards the rear). Doesn't seem to have
 affected anything, just a cosmetic boo-boo (and one that isn't seen
 from the subject's side)... $195

 Next,
 I have a minty looking Super Takumar 35mm f/2 (yep, 2.0), It comes
 with original caps, and new looking case. It also comes with the
 matching Takumar metal hood which comes in it's own new looking case.
 This lens has the thorium element and I haven't given it UV treatment
 yet, so may require color temp. correction in post. Cosmetically this
 kit looks new, except that the previous owner decided to scratch out
 the word Takumar on the hood and front ring. (I KNOW!).$189

 Next,
 Hard to find, SMC K 35mm f2.0 with original caps & hard case (third
 party) ... $339

 http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231240-sale-scarce-super-multi-coated-k-35mm-f2-yep-2-0-gorgeous-case-worldwide.html

 Next,
 A really Top Shelf, Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 with Genuine Pentax UV filter ...
 $89

 http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231238-sale-top-shelf-pentax-m-28mm-f2-8-genuine-pentax-uv-filter-worldwide.html

 Pentax-M 50mm f1.7.$39

 Pentax-A 35-105mm macro (the famous stack of primes)...$149

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Re: FSF: LX body, Super Tak 35mm f2.0, SMC K 35mm f2 and more...

You are a scoundrel and a knave, Mr. Addy.

Does it have the built-in retractable hood?

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 1:29 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

296 images taken with the Pentax-A 35-105mm on Flickriver
http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa35105mmf35/

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Walt wrote:

Thanks, Zos.

At least I feel a little less covetous, now. ;)

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 1:03 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Its not great for portraits. Bokeh is a bit busy

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt wrote:

If I weren't up to my eyeballs in trying to get something resembling a
studio set up, I'd be all over that 35-105mm.

Strikes me as a potentially excellent portrait lens. [Grumble.]

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 11:42 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I've got a few items that need to find new homes. Actual shipping will
need to be added to the prices below. I'll be happy to ship WORLDWIDE
to pdml members.

Next,
Hard to find, SMC K 35mm f2.0 with original caps & hard case (third
party) ... $339

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231240-sale-scarce-super-multi-coated-k-35mm-f2-yep-2-0-gorgeous-case-worldwide.html

Next,
A really Top Shelf, Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 with Genuine Pentax UV filter ...
$89

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231238-sale-top-shelf-pentax-m-28mm-f2-8-genuine-pentax-uv-filter-worldwide.html

Pentax-M 50mm f1.7.$39

Pentax-A 35-105mm macro (the famous stack of primes)...$149

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Bill


On 19/07/2013 10:12 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Very cute.
My son's 130 pound Golden Retriever is almost 10 and slowed by the
heat and age.  It will be a sad day when he passes, and they'll need
another dog.  It will be hard to find one with as much personality and
friendly disposition.  Maybe another Golden, but not so big next time.
  This one's a giant!

Goldens can be very big dogs. Fortunately, they are also very soft tempered.

I know you train dogs and favor Rotties.  I wonder about disposition
with their fearsome reputation.

Intact male Rotties need a very strong willed owner, as they are 
generally a pretty dominant breed. Having said that, Jester is a 
dominant asshole, high drive dog from a high drive litter. As such, he 
is somewhat of a special case in this regard. At he same time, he 
doesn't have a mean bone in his body, he just wants his own way, and is 
prepared to do whatever doggie thing he needs to do to get it. A weak 
willed owner who is in the habit of letting the dog make his own 
decisions would be what we call a fail of an owner.


Our last male (Rollei) had a very gentle disposition, was relatively 
willing to please, and for the most part, was on the same page as we were.



Most Rotties that get in trouble do so because they have idiot owners 
who don't understand the level of engagement they have to have with 
their dog. When I am out with my dog, that is all I am doing. I'm not 
talking on my cell phone, or texting or really doing much of anything 
other than being with my dog. This is quite different from when I had 
Leica. I could trust her to not cause anyone any problems. Jester, OTOH, 
is quite dog aggressive (Bella, our Belgian Shepherd is worse), and will 
also get very aggressive with anyone who he thinks might be a threat. 
Hold his gaze for more than a few seconds at your own risk.
As I said, he is a special case, a very exceptional dog, but not one for 
a weak handler, and honestly, not really a good dog in public.


Investigate your breeder carefully, Rotties, while not as prone to 
genetic problems as Goldens, are prone to a few cancers, as well as 
elbow and hip dysplasia, and also, take the time to investigate your 
puppy's lineage.
Had I done this prior to getting Jester, I would have asked for a 
different dog than the high drive male pick. After having him for a few 
months, I finally got around to tracing his lineage. Amazingly, I was 
able to trace his sire's side back to 1912 or thereabouts. Every male on 
his sire's side had a Schutzhund title, and his line had been used for 
all sorts of guard work in Germany, including guarding POW and 
concentration camps during WWII.

He's a tough dog from a line of tough dogs.

A good starter Rottweiler would be a soft tempered female. Leica (my 
first Rottie) was such a dog. Very smart, wanted to please, and didn't 
like to displease. As such, she was easy to train, and never made the 
same mistake twice (and only made a few mistakes in her nearly 11 year 
life).


I would recommend the breed to anyone with the following caveats:
*If you are not an experienced owner, pick the softest female you can 
from the litter. You will end up with a dog that acts sort of like a 
Labrador, except calmer and with a lot more brains.
*If you are an experienced owner, but haven't owned a guard breed 
before, a soft male would be an OK choice, be prepared to put the puppy 
well and truly in it's place the first time it steps out of line and you 
will likely never have a problem again.
*If you are an experienced owner, with extensive experience with guard 
breeds, then by all means, choose a drivey male. They are a lot of fun, 
and the rewards are tremendous, but they have to be handled with care 
around people who aren't experienced with dogs. They will push their 
boundaries, so it is very important to be ready, willing and ABLE to put 
the dog in his place at a moment's notice.


In all cases, Rotties need some sort of job to keep them occupied. They 
are a very smart breed, and they get bored easily. Like all bored dogs, 
they can get destructive.
Fortunately, they are quite easy to keep engaged. They like obedience 
work, and this should be started the same day that they come into the 
house. Jester carries my camera gear in a backpack when we are out. It 
gives him something to concentrate on, and it keeps him settled. Don't 
just take your dog for a walk, do some formal obedience training for a 
few minutes, and then walk for a while, and then do some more obedience.
Find out what sort of reward system makes your dog happy, and use it. 
Leica was good with a tickle on the ear and being told she done good. 
Jester, being a lot drivier, needs more engagement from me. A nice game 
of tug turns his crank quite nicely, and keeps him very happy, and very 
willing to work. If you aren't physically up to the task of playing tug 
with a 125 or so pound dog with a lot of determination, a high drive 
male might not be the best choice, si

Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-19 Thread kwaller


Wow Brian a hard choice to pick from.

The color version eeks out the B+W by a bit but both are nice.
I like the simplicity antd the composition.

I agree about Sante Fe but I think Taos beats it in that regard.

Glad you enjoyed it. I enjoyed hearing your reactions to your trip on your 
blog.

Was this your first visit?

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" 

Subject: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall



G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of  the 
most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way  many 
homes have decorations on their external walls.


This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html

I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html


Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or  monochrome 
version is preferable.



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Brian

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RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

A wonderful pose, playful.

Gerrit

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On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann  wrote:

> On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> 
>> Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious 
>> conversation into absurdity or something? :)
> 
> I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
> 

Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy.  From 2005:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Bill


On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote:

On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:


Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
conversation into absurdity or something? :)

I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.

Cheers,
Dave



I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do?

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html

bill

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, , > WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Nice!

A lot better than cat images, that's for certain!  

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace & tranquility of the group
> I offer this small geso  They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two
> that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out!
>
> Whoops did I forget a link?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/
>
>
>
> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500
>> From: Charles Robinson
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body,
>> WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
>> Message-ID:<3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann  wrote:
>>
>>> >On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>>> >
 >>Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
 >>conversation into absurdity or something?:)
>>> >
>>> >I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
>>> >
>> Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy.  From 2005:
>>
>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg
>>
>>   -Charles
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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

Bill,
Thanks, I appreciate your insight and will forward on to my son Bill.
His Golden really likes people and kids in particular.
My daughter-in-law is a special ed teacher who had 'behavior
disorders' classrooms until this year.  She is probably better with
the dog than he is, certainly better reading the dog.
But all good advice and insights from you.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Bill  wrote:
> On 19/07/2013 10:12 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Very cute.
>> My son's 130 pound Golden Retriever is almost 10 and slowed by the
>> heat and age.  It will be a sad day when he passes, and they'll need
>> another dog.  It will be hard to find one with as much personality and
>> friendly disposition.  Maybe another Golden, but not so big next time.
>>   This one's a giant!
>
> Goldens can be very big dogs. Fortunately, they are also very soft tempered.
>
>> I know you train dogs and favor Rotties.  I wonder about disposition
>> with their fearsome reputation.
>>
> Intact male Rotties need a very strong willed owner, as they are generally a
> pretty dominant breed. Having said that, Jester is a dominant asshole, high
> drive dog from a high drive litter. As such, he is somewhat of a special
> case in this regard. At he same time, he doesn't have a mean bone in his
> body, he just wants his own way, and is prepared to do whatever doggie thing
> he needs to do to get it. A weak willed owner who is in the habit of letting
> the dog make his own decisions would be what we call a fail of an owner.
>
> Our last male (Rollei) had a very gentle disposition, was relatively willing
> to please, and for the most part, was on the same page as we were.
>
>
> Most Rotties that get in trouble do so because they have idiot owners who
> don't understand the level of engagement they have to have with their dog.
> When I am out with my dog, that is all I am doing. I'm not talking on my
> cell phone, or texting or really doing much of anything other than being
> with my dog. This is quite different from when I had Leica. I could trust
> her to not cause anyone any problems. Jester, OTOH, is quite dog aggressive
> (Bella, our Belgian Shepherd is worse), and will also get very aggressive
> with anyone who he thinks might be a threat. Hold his gaze for more than a
> few seconds at your own risk.
> As I said, he is a special case, a very exceptional dog, but not one for a
> weak handler, and honestly, not really a good dog in public.
>
> Investigate your breeder carefully, Rotties, while not as prone to genetic
> problems as Goldens, are prone to a few cancers, as well as elbow and hip
> dysplasia, and also, take the time to investigate your puppy's lineage.
> Had I done this prior to getting Jester, I would have asked for a different
> dog than the high drive male pick. After having him for a few months, I
> finally got around to tracing his lineage. Amazingly, I was able to trace
> his sire's side back to 1912 or thereabouts. Every male on his sire's side
> had a Schutzhund title, and his line had been used for all sorts of guard
> work in Germany, including guarding POW and concentration camps during WWII.
> He's a tough dog from a line of tough dogs.
>
> A good starter Rottweiler would be a soft tempered female. Leica (my first
> Rottie) was such a dog. Very smart, wanted to please, and didn't like to
> displease. As such, she was easy to train, and never made the same mistake
> twice (and only made a few mistakes in her nearly 11 year life).
>
> I would recommend the breed to anyone with the following caveats:
> *If you are not an experienced owner, pick the softest female you can from
> the litter. You will end up with a dog that acts sort of like a Labrador,
> except calmer and with a lot more brains.
> *If you are an experienced owner, but haven't owned a guard breed before, a
> soft male would be an OK choice, be prepared to put the puppy well and truly
> in it's place the first time it steps out of line and you will likely never
> have a problem again.
> *If you are an experienced owner, with extensive experience with guard
> breeds, then by all means, choose a drivey male. They are a lot of fun, and
> the rewards are tremendous, but they have to be handled with care around
> people who aren't experienced with dogs. They will push their boundaries, so
> it is very important to be ready, willing and ABLE to put the dog in his
> place at a moment's notice.
>
> In all cases, Rotties need some sort of job to keep them occupied. They are
> a very smart breed, and they get bored easily. Like all bored dogs, they can
> get destructive.
> Fortunately, they are quite easy to keep engaged. They like obedience work,
> and this should be started the same day that they come into the house.
> Jester carries my camera gear in a backpack when we are out. It gives him
> something to concentrate on, and it keeps him settled. Don't just take your
> dog for a walk, do some formal obedience training for a few minutes, and
> t

RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

thank you, I will check that out.

Gerrit


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Cool kitty. You ought to submit that one to The Online Photographer.

On 7/19/2013 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote:
> I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-) 
> http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/
>
> My wife took the photo with her K100D.
>
> Gerrit
>
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> On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>
>> Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious 
>> conversation into absurdity or something? :)
>
> I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Question about Tokina Zoom 28-210 vis a vis Pentax



the friend whose wedding I'm shooting ended up acquiring a Tokina 28-210 
zoom which he intentds to give me... He knows nothing about such things 
, and is away from home now, but it is a bayonet mount and the rear 
element had a red dot on it.  What I don't remember is if Pentax

is the only SLR with clue to positioning the lens to body for mounting
or are there several?

I didn't see it, this was me asking questions over phone but I figured
Bayonet mount, good zoom - worth checking out more anyway.

ann


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FSF: LX body, Super Tak 35mm f2.0, SMC K 35mm f2 and more...

I've got a few items that need to find new homes. Actual shipping will
need to be added to the prices below. I'll be happy to ship WORLDWIDE
to pdml members.

Pentax-M 50mm f1.7.$39

Pentax-A 35-105mm macro (the famous stack of primes)...$149

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Re: Aarrrgggh! Minty

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body,,> WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace & tranquility of the 
group I offer this small geso  They were mostly taken with K-01 
including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out!


Whoops did I forget a link?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/


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> On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann  wrote:
>
>> >On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>> >
>>> >>Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
>>> >>conversation into absurdity or something?:)
>> >
>> >I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
>> >
> Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy.  From 2005:
>
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg
>
>   -Charles

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Re: Aarrrgggh! Minty

Language is a fluid thing. However, after checking the Urban
Dictionary I can see why there might be a translation problem with our
friends in the UK.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minty



On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Damn it people, when referring to a lens in good condition, the adjective
> is "mint", technically "mint condition", as in perfect condition, like a
> coin that has just left the mint, where coins are produced.
>
> If your lens is minty, then you should look for toothpaste smeared on
> it giving it that minty smell.
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Re: PESO: Amaya II

2013-07-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

that is a strong portrait, with a great pose and expression.  I also
like the way the colors of the flowers, the blouse and the lipstick
harmonize.

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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Walt  wrote:
> Here's a color shot of Amaya (the young lady from my last PESO). As a
> capture of the subject, I really like it. The background, though, I'm not
> sure of.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9322765514/
> K-5, F50/1.7, ISO 100, 1/25 sec(!), f/5.6
>
> (Didn't realize the shutter speed until I just now looked it up to post the
> info. Yikes!)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -- Walt
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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

The monochrome brings out the texture in the wall, but it doesn't do 
anything for the Pot.


I wonder if selectively de-saturating the wall might be effective? 
Perhaps not quite all the way to monochrome.



On 7/19/2013 8:35 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of
the most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way
many homes have decorations on their external walls.

This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html


I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html



Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or
monochrome version is preferable.




PS: Yahoo is being an ass!

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Re: FSF: LX body, Super Tak 35mm f2.0, SMC K 35mm f2 and more...

It does not. This lens has a slight flare at the end to accommodate
the larger optics housed there.
http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-A-35-105mm-F3.5-Zoom-Lens.html


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt  wrote:
> You are a scoundrel and a knave, Mr. Addy.
>
> Does it have the built-in retractable hood?
>
> -- Walt
>
>
> On 7/19/2013 1:29 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> 296 images taken with the Pentax-A 35-105mm on Flickriver
>> http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa35105mmf35/
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Walt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Zos.
>>>
>>> At least I feel a little less covetous, now. ;)
>>>
>>> -- Walt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2013 1:03 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

 Its not great for portraits. Bokeh is a bit busy

 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt  wrote:
>
> If I weren't up to my eyeballs in trying to get something resembling a
> studio set up, I'd be all over that 35-105mm.
>
> Strikes me as a potentially excellent portrait lens. [Grumble.]
>
> -- Walt
>
>
> On 7/19/2013 11:42 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> I've got a few items that need to find new homes. Actual shipping will
>> need to be added to the prices below. I'll be happy to ship WORLDWIDE
>> to pdml members.
>>
>> Firstly,
>> I've got a nice working LX body (the later version that goes to 3200
>> ASA). It's main apology is a dimple dent to the right of the film
>> advance lever (top side, towards the rear). Doesn't seem to have
>> affected anything, just a cosmetic boo-boo (and one that isn't seen
>> from the subject's side)... $195
>>
>> Next,
>> I have a minty looking Super Takumar 35mm f/2 (yep, 2.0), It comes
>> with original caps, and new looking case. It also comes with the
>> matching Takumar metal hood which comes in it's own new looking case.
>> This lens has the thorium element and I haven't given it UV treatment
>> yet, so may require color temp. correction in post. Cosmetically this
>> kit looks new, except that the previous owner decided to scratch out
>> the word Takumar on the hood and front ring. (I KNOW!).$189
>>
>> Next,
>> Hard to find, SMC K 35mm f2.0 with original caps & hard case (third
>> party) ... $339
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231240-sale-scarce-super-multi-coated-k-35mm-f2-yep-2-0-gorgeous-case-worldwide.html
>>
>> Next,
>> A really Top Shelf, Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 with Genuine Pentax UV filter
>> ...
>> $89
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231238-sale-top-shelf-pentax-m-28mm-f2-8-genuine-pentax-uv-filter-worldwide.html
>>
>> Pentax-M 50mm f1.7.$39
>>
>> Pentax-A 35-105mm macro (the famous stack of
>> primes)...$149
>>
>> Darren Addy
>> Kearney, Nebraska
>>
>>
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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

The colors are quite subdued and very pleasing.  I think the color
version works better.

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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G'day all
>
> Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.
>
> This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of the
> most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way many homes
> have decorations on their external walls.
>
> This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:
>
> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html
>
> I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex
>
> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html
>
>
> Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or monochrome
> version is preferable.
>
>
> --
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
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Re: Question about Tokina Zoom 28-210 vis a vis Pentax

2013-07-19 Thread John Francis

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 01:36:55PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> On 7/19/2013 12:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> >
> >the friend whose wedding I'm shooting ended up acquiring a Tokina 28-210
> >zoom which he intentds to give me... He knows nothing about such things
> >, and is away from home now, but it is a bayonet mount and the rear
> >element had a red dot on it.  What I don't remember is if Pentax
> >is the only SLR with clue to positioning the lens to body for mounting
> >or are there several?
> >
> >I didn't see it, this was me asking questions over phone but I figured
> >Bayonet mount, good zoom - worth checking out more anyway.
> >
> >ann
> >
> >
> 
> Every K-mount Tokina lens I've had, the red dot on the rear flange
> was in the right place.

That's not the question Ann had, though.

My Olympus 4/3 lenses have a bayonet mount, and a red dot for positioning.

I would not be at all surprised to find that there are other systems that
also have red dots, so even though the Tokina 28-810 lens has a bayonet
mount and a red dot there is no guarantee that it is, in fact, a K-mount.


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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, ,,> > WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

Ha! Oh no Dan if I agree with better, half the group will hate me. Glad 
you liked.



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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:19:55 -0400
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Nice!

A lot better than cat images, that's for certain!  

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:

>I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace & tranquility of the group
>I offer this small geso  They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two
>that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out!
>
>Whoops did I forget a link?
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/
>
>



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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)


Flogging a dead horse here.

On 7/19/2013 10:58 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote:

Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote:


Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the
default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want
replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense.


Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing
their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists
I've been on were not reply-to list.  As for why, aside from the issue
about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list
volume.  Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access
and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be
cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that.


I can see how one might accidentally slip and send a private message
to the list - been there, done that - but if I compare the ratio of
private emails to public (entire list) emails I've sent in reply to
PDML messages it's well over 100:1.


That's almost certainly true for me for all mailing lists I've been on.
But the point is that the cost of sending a private e-mail public is
also much higher, and I've seen a lot of mildly embarrassing, some
moderately embarrasing, and a few outright damaging (e.g. disclosing
major secrets).  I don't think it's 100:1 in that direction, but I also
don't think it's a slam dunk that the cost/benefit analysis is totally
oriented toward reply-to list on this one ground.

(I do realize, of course, that reply-to sender doesn't completely prevent
stupid disclosure of private/secret info, one only needs to look at
damnyouautocorrect.com to prove otherwise.)



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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

Amen!

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Bill  wrote:
> On 18/07/2013 9:49 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

 And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for
 change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of
 affairs as "that's the way we've always done it". If people
 actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for
 change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a
 preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except
 for addressing any other wrong comments.)
>>>
>>> Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the
>>> added beauty that one can participate in several different
>>> conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list
>>> if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather
>>> than  reply to list would result in confusion and suicide.
>>> Why can't you just leave well enough alone?
>>
>> Really?  That explains why my other lists have died, then.  
>
> So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you.
>
> bill
>
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RE: PESO: Amaya II

She again has a wondeful look, very natural.

Welcome to K5 land with slow shutter speed not losing you the shot :-)

Gerrit

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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walt
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:47 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO: Amaya II

Here's a color shot of Amaya (the young lady from my last PESO). As a
capture of the subject, I really like it. The background, though, I'm not
sure of.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9322765514/
K-5, F50/1.7, ISO 100, 1/25 sec(!), f/5.6

(Didn't realize the shutter speed until I just now looked it up to post the
info. Yikes!)

Thoughts?

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, , > WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Jeffery Smith

Link!


On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:

> I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace & tranquility of the group I 
> offer this small geso  They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two 
> that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out!
> 
> 
> 
> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
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>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500
>> From: Charles Robinson
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body,
>>  WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
>> Message-ID:<3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann  wrote:
>> 
>>> >On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>>> >
 >>Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
 >>conversation into absurdity or something?:)
>>> >
>>> >I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
>>> >
>> Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy.  From 2005:
>> 
>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg
>> 
>>  -Charles
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Aarrrgggh! Minty

2013-07-19 Thread Larry Colen

Damn it people, when referring to a lens in good condition, the adjective
is "mint", technically "mint condition", as in perfect condition, like a 
coin that has just left the mint, where coins are produced.

If your lens is minty, then you should look for toothpaste smeared on 
it giving it that minty smell.

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body,,> WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace & tranquility of the 
group I offer this small geso  They were mostly taken with K-01 
including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out!




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On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann  wrote:


>On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>

>>Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious
>>conversation into absurdity or something?:)

>
>I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down.
>

Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy.  From 2005:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg

  -Charles



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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, > WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-19 Thread Tom C

> From: Bill 
> So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you.
>
> bill

Hey, it's like I asked him before... if he was stupid or just pretending to be.

Setting up a list with the default not being 'reply to list' is self-defeating.

You'll notice how he often appears to deliberately misunderstand
things and then pontificates.

Tom C.

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Re: FSF: LX body, Super Tak 35mm f2.0, SMC K 35mm f2 and more...

The ol' Good Cop-Bad Cop routine . . .

As for whether or not it's ideally suited for portraiture, I really
can't mount an argument against you. I guess what I like about it is the
focal range (which seems near-ideal for portraiture) in combination with
the sharpness. I have an A 28-135 that is "reasonably" sharp and I've
managed to get some decent shots with it, but it just doesn't stack up
to the F 50/1.7 -- which is a hell of a lot to live up to. But, as best
I can tell, that A 35-105 comes pretty damned close -- and I really like
the close-focusing.

Anyway ... yes, I DO want that lens. Now I just have to figure out how
I'm going to pay for the blasted thing. Though, I do have a little chump
change coming to me from my most recent portrait shoot.

Hmm.

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 2:11 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Its not all bad. It just wouldn't be my first choice. Yeah, bokeh
doesn't get any busier when you stop down. Its also really pretty
sharp wide open. That background in the picture I posted is *super*
busy, so that's like a worst case scenario there. I take it all back.
You *WANT* this lens! :P

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Walt wrote:

I doubt I'd ever use it wide-open on portraits.

In fact, just about the only time I use any lens wide-open is when I
absolutely have to have the shutter speed, or am just tinkering to see how
shallow a DOF I can get. Generally, I shoot my F50/1.7 at f/2.8 or higher. I
tend to like a lot of sharpness in my portraits for catch lights and fine
hair detail, and just smooth out any skin imperfections in post.

The shots at the flickriver link Darren sent seemed to have pretty nice,
smooth bokeh at f/5 -- which is likely where I'd tend to use it most often.

And now, I'm once again filled with envy and resentment.

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 1:43 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Its an amazing lens. My copy is pretty beat up, but I wouldn't part
with it for anything. In fact I want to fix it up. I think even my
"awful" takumar 70-210 is a better lens for portraits. in fact I think
its kind of a sleeper.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Darren Addy
wrote:

It does not. This lens has a slight flare at the end to accommodate
the larger optics housed there.

http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-A-35-105mm-F3.5-Zoom-Lens.html

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt wrote:

You are a scoundrel and a knave, Mr. Addy.

Does it have the built-in retractable hood?

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 1:29 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

296 images taken with the Pentax-A 35-105mm on Flickriver
http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa35105mmf35/

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Walt wrote:

Thanks, Zos.

At least I feel a little less covetous, now. ;)

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 1:03 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Its not great for portraits. Bokeh is a bit busy

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt wrote:

If I weren't up to my eyeballs in trying to get something resembling
a
studio set up, I'd be all over that 35-105mm.

Strikes me as a potentially excellent portrait lens. [Grumble.]

-- Walt

On 7/19/2013 11:42 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I've got a few items that need to find new homes. Actual shipping
will
need to be added to the prices below. I'll be happy to ship
WORLDWIDE
to pdml members.

Firstly,
I've got a nice working LX body (the later version that goes to
3200
ASA). It's main apology is a dimple dent to the right of the film
advance lever (top side, towards the rear). Doesn't seem to have
affected anything, just a cosmetic boo-boo (and one that isn't seen
from the subject's side)... $195

Next,
I have a minty looking Super Takumar 35mm f/2 (yep, 2.0), It comes
with original caps, and new looking case. It also comes with the
matching Takumar metal hood which comes in it's own new looking
case.
This lens has the thorium element and I haven't given it UV
treatment
yet, so may require color temp. correction in post. Cosmetically
this
kit looks new, except that the previous owner decided to scratch
out
the word Takumar on the hood and front ring. (I KNOW!).$189

Next,
Hard to find, SMC K 35mm f2.0 with original caps & hard case (third
party) ... $339

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231240-sale-scarce-super-multi-coated-k-35mm-f2-yep-2-0-gorgeous-case-worldwide.html

Next,
A really Top Shelf, Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 with Genuine Pentax UV
filter
...
$89

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231238-sale-top-shelf-pentax-m-28mm-f2-8-genuine-pentax-uv-filter-worldwide.html

Pentax-M 50mm f1.7.$39

Pentax-A 35-105mm macro (the famous stack of
primes)...$149

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska

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Re: PESO: Amaya II


Thank you, Dan.

That's the reason I dragged her by the ear over to those flowers when I 
saw them.


-- Walt


On 7/19/2013 2:22 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

that is a strong portrait, with a great pose and expression.  I also
like the way the colors of the flowers, the blouse and the lipstick
harmonize.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Walt  wrote:

Here's a color shot of Amaya (the young lady from my last PESO). As a
capture of the subject, I really like it. The background, though, I'm not
sure of.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9322765514/
K-5, F50/1.7, ISO 100, 1/25 sec(!), f/5.6

(Didn't realize the shutter speed until I just now looked it up to post the
info. Yikes!)

Thoughts?

-- Walt

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Re: Question about Tokina Zoom 28-210 vis a vis Pentax

2013-07-19 Thread Jeffery Smith

My 28-80 2.8 Tokina zoom is built like a tank and is better with film than with 
digital. The zooms that really seem to have gone up in quality (optical and 
build) are the Sigmas and Tamrons, IMO. Since the Tokina is a gift, that trumps 
paying for a Pentax, Tamron, or Sigma. :-)

Jeffery

On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> 
> the friend whose wedding I'm shooting ended up acquiring a Tokina 28-210 zoom 
> which he intentds to give me... He knows nothing about such things , and is 
> away from home now, but it is a bayonet mount and the rear element had a red 
> dot on it.  What I don't remember is if Pentax
> is the only SLR with clue to positioning the lens to body for mounting
> or are there several?
> 
> I didn't see it, this was me asking questions over phone but I figured
> Bayonet mount, good zoom - worth checking out more anyway.
> 
> ann
> 
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Re: PESO: Race Wheels


On 7/18/2013 10:18 PM, David Mann wrote:

Not a serious photo, just thought the bike enthusiasts might like it.  I've 
been keeping an eye out for some carbon aero race wheels for my triathlon bike 
and finally found a suitable set at a good price, from a trustworthy seller.

So I can now look fast... actually being fast is another matter!

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/635/#peso

Cheers,
Dave




Half-fast?

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Re: Annoyed by BuyDig -- big Boo!

2013-07-19 Thread steve harley


on 2013-07-18 14:16 Larry Colen wrote

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 03:58:15PM -0400, Zos Xavius wrote:

My e-mail has probably well over 30,000 messages in it at the moment.
I feel your pain. :P


my email archive has well over a million messages in it; it's not at all 
painful; i just ignore them unless i need to search, and one of the best 
arguments for OS X Spotlight is how quickly it searches email



Embrace the power of procmail.


or use an email service that supports catch-all email addresses and Sieve 
filtering (Fastmail does this for me)




since i give each vendor an unique email address, i can easily tell which 
signups have led to spam, etc.; i made a BuyDig purchase in December and 
allowed them to send me promotional emails (which i Sieve into my 
easily-ignored "deals" folder); i've just turned off that preference and i'll 
see if i notice them sending anything further




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PESO 2013 - Houston Airport - GDG

2013-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Quick trip to NY.  Three hour layover in Houston. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9320745793/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9323529288/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9323518082/lightbox

Thanks for looking!

Godfrey - godfreydigio...@me.com


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Re: FSF: LX body, Super Tak 35mm f2.0, SMC K 35mm f2 and more...

Those photos do a pretty nice job of summarizing my feelings about the
A35-105/3.5.
It's a bit bigger lens but takes nice pictures...and it's an A series
too! (no green button needed)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 296 images taken with the Pentax-A 35-105mm on Flickriver
> http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa35105mmf35/
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Walt  wrote:
>> Thanks, Zos.
>>
>> At least I feel a little less covetous, now. ;)
>>
>> -- Walt
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 1:03 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>>
>>> Its not great for portraits. Bokeh is a bit busy
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt  wrote:

 If I weren't up to my eyeballs in trying to get something resembling a
 studio set up, I'd be all over that 35-105mm.

 Strikes me as a potentially excellent portrait lens. [Grumble.]

 -- Walt


 On 7/19/2013 11:42 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>
> I've got a few items that need to find new homes. Actual shipping will
> need to be added to the prices below. I'll be happy to ship WORLDWIDE
> to pdml members.
>
> Firstly,
> I've got a nice working LX body (the later version that goes to 3200
> ASA). It's main apology is a dimple dent to the right of the film
> advance lever (top side, towards the rear). Doesn't seem to have
> affected anything, just a cosmetic boo-boo (and one that isn't seen
> from the subject's side)... $195
>
> Next,
> I have a minty looking Super Takumar 35mm f/2 (yep, 2.0), It comes
> with original caps, and new looking case. It also comes with the
> matching Takumar metal hood which comes in it's own new looking case.
> This lens has the thorium element and I haven't given it UV treatment
> yet, so may require color temp. correction in post. Cosmetically this
> kit looks new, except that the previous owner decided to scratch out
> the word Takumar on the hood and front ring. (I KNOW!).$189
>
> Next,
> Hard to find, SMC K 35mm f2.0 with original caps & hard case (third
> party) ... $339
>
>
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231240-sale-scarce-super-multi-coated-k-35mm-f2-yep-2-0-gorgeous-case-worldwide.html
>
> Next,
> A really Top Shelf, Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 with Genuine Pentax UV filter ...
> $89
>
>
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231238-sale-top-shelf-pentax-m-28mm-f2-8-genuine-pentax-uv-filter-worldwide.html
>
> Pentax-M 50mm f1.7.$39
>
> Pentax-A 35-105mm macro (the famous stack of primes)...$149
>
> Darren Addy
> Kearney, Nebraska
>
>
>
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> Peter Galassi
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Re: FSF: LX body, Super Tak 35mm f2.0, SMC K 35mm f2 and more...

Its an amazing lens. My copy is pretty beat up, but I wouldn't part
with it for anything. In fact I want to fix it up. I think even my
"awful" takumar 70-210 is a better lens for portraits. in fact I think
its kind of a sleeper.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> It does not. This lens has a slight flare at the end to accommodate
> the larger optics housed there.
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-A-35-105mm-F3.5-Zoom-Lens.html
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt  wrote:
>> You are a scoundrel and a knave, Mr. Addy.
>>
>> Does it have the built-in retractable hood?
>>
>> -- Walt
>>
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 1:29 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>>
>>> 296 images taken with the Pentax-A 35-105mm on Flickriver
>>> http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa35105mmf35/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Walt  wrote:

 Thanks, Zos.

 At least I feel a little less covetous, now. ;)

 -- Walt



 On 7/19/2013 1:03 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>
> Its not great for portraits. Bokeh is a bit busy
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Walt  wrote:
>>
>> If I weren't up to my eyeballs in trying to get something resembling a
>> studio set up, I'd be all over that 35-105mm.
>>
>> Strikes me as a potentially excellent portrait lens. [Grumble.]
>>
>> -- Walt
>>
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 11:42 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got a few items that need to find new homes. Actual shipping will
>>> need to be added to the prices below. I'll be happy to ship WORLDWIDE
>>> to pdml members.
>>>
>>> Firstly,
>>> I've got a nice working LX body (the later version that goes to 3200
>>> ASA). It's main apology is a dimple dent to the right of the film
>>> advance lever (top side, towards the rear). Doesn't seem to have
>>> affected anything, just a cosmetic boo-boo (and one that isn't seen
>>> from the subject's side)... $195
>>>
>>> Next,
>>> I have a minty looking Super Takumar 35mm f/2 (yep, 2.0), It comes
>>> with original caps, and new looking case. It also comes with the
>>> matching Takumar metal hood which comes in it's own new looking case.
>>> This lens has the thorium element and I haven't given it UV treatment
>>> yet, so may require color temp. correction in post. Cosmetically this
>>> kit looks new, except that the previous owner decided to scratch out
>>> the word Takumar on the hood and front ring. (I KNOW!).$189
>>>
>>> Next,
>>> Hard to find, SMC K 35mm f2.0 with original caps & hard case (third
>>> party) ... $339
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231240-sale-scarce-super-multi-coated-k-35mm-f2-yep-2-0-gorgeous-case-worldwide.html
>>>
>>> Next,
>>> A really Top Shelf, Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 with Genuine Pentax UV filter
>>> ...
>>> $89
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231238-sale-top-shelf-pentax-m-28mm-f2-8-genuine-pentax-uv-filter-worldwide.html
>>>
>>> Pentax-M 50mm f1.7.$39
>>>
>>> Pentax-A 35-105mm macro (the famous stack of
>>> primes)...$149
>>>
>>> Darren Addy
>>> Kearney, Nebraska
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Peter Galassi
>>>
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just got FA 50mm f 1.4 back

2013-07-19 Thread Christine Aguila

Hello PDML:

Well, I sent in my FA 50mm f1.4 & my DA* 50-135mm f2.8 in to CRIS.  The FA 
returned pretty quick--just got it an hour ago, and looks to be ok.  Here are 
two quickie test shots.  Metadata is above the photo.

http://www.caguila.com/darreltest/index.html

I'm getting a replacement motor for the DA*.  I purchased the lens 4th quarter 
of 2007, and this is the first repair I've had on the lens--so that makes 
nearly a 6 year run with absolutely no hiccups until this recent service.  Not 
too bad I guess.

Curious thing about the replacement motor though.  The service guy at CRIS said 
they had to order the part, which seem well curious to me.  Isn't replacing the 
motor a common repair?  Wouldn't they have motors on hand?

Anyway, the DA* repair takes about two-four weeks.  I got the FA 50mm back 10 
days after I called to give go-ahead on repairs after getting estimate via 
email.

Well, so far, so good.  Keep your fingers crossed for the DA*.

Cheers, Christine

P.S.  Still keeping up with PAW but the last three shots are so boring I 
decided to spare the list the pain.  :-)
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Re: OT: Thanks

2013-07-19 Thread Doug Brewer


On 7/19/13 11:09 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

whoever is maintaining this list is doing a fine job. sorry i've been
so poor lately (damn lba!). I need to donate.

-A near starving artist



thank you

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Re: just got FA 50mm f 1.4 back

Murphy's Law of parts departments: If you have the part in stock you
will never need it again. It will sit on the shelf until the end of
time.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Hello PDML:
>
> Well, I sent in my FA 50mm f1.4 & my DA* 50-135mm f2.8 in to CRIS.  The FA 
> returned pretty quick--just got it an hour ago, and looks to be ok.  Here are 
> two quickie test shots.  Metadata is above the photo.
>
> http://www.caguila.com/darreltest/index.html
>
> I'm getting a replacement motor for the DA*.  I purchased the lens 4th 
> quarter of 2007, and this is the first repair I've had on the lens--so that 
> makes nearly a 6 year run with absolutely no hiccups until this recent 
> service.  Not too bad I guess.
>
> Curious thing about the replacement motor though.  The service guy at CRIS 
> said they had to order the part, which seem well curious to me.  Isn't 
> replacing the motor a common repair?  Wouldn't they have motors on hand?
>
> Anyway, the DA* repair takes about two-four weeks.  I got the FA 50mm back 10 
> days after I called to give go-ahead on repairs after getting estimate via 
> email.
>
> Well, so far, so good.  Keep your fingers crossed for the DA*.
>
> Cheers, Christine
>
> P.S.  Still keeping up with PAW but the last three shots are so boring I 
> decided to spare the list the pain.  :-)
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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>> Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the
>>> default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want
>>> replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense.
>>
>>Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing
>>their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists
>>I've been on were not reply-to list.  As for why, aside from the issue
>>about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list
>>volume.  Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access
>>and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be
>>cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that.
> 
> I can see how one might accidentally slip and send a private message
> to the list - been there, done that - but if I compare the ratio of
> private emails to public (entire list) emails I've sent in reply to
> PDML messages it's well over 100:1. 

That's almost certainly true for me for all mailing lists I've been on.
But the point is that the cost of sending a private e-mail public is
also much higher, and I've seen a lot of mildly embarrassing, some
moderately embarrasing, and a few outright damaging (e.g. disclosing
major secrets).  I don't think it's 100:1 in that direction, but I also
don't think it's a slam dunk that the cost/benefit analysis is totally
oriented toward reply-to list on this one ground.

(I do realize, of course, that reply-to sender doesn't completely prevent
stupid disclosure of private/secret info, one only needs to look at
damnyouautocorrect.com to prove otherwise.)
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