GESO: Spring flowers

[David Mann]

I'd still call it winter but our garden is starting to come into flower.

These photos could do with some better lighting but the sun is still a bit too 
low in the sky when it's at the right angle.  I know the first one is out of 
focus but it's the only one of that flower I managed to get with decent light...

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/43/#geso

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: A little bit of rhythm and a lot of soul

[Chris Mitchell]

Timeless. Well done.

On 4 August 2013 22:42, Bob W  wrote:
> A shot from this weekend:
>
> http://www.web-options.com/Locomotion.jpg
>
> I'll put up a gallery in the next day or two, and hopefully also some photos
> from my trip to Rouen.
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PESOs: Not sepia

[Chris Mitchell]

http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/MikeCath100/slides/DSCF2622.html

OK, I lied:
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/MikeCath100/slides/DSCF2646.html

And Bob Baffled at the evening ceilidh:
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/MikeCath100/slides/DSCF2688.html

Chris

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Re: PESO - Anna, pronounced Ahna

[Doug Brewer]

On 8/5/13 11:00 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Love it!

cheers,
frank

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https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/46sU316B2da



thank you, Frank, and for the +1 as well.

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Re: help wanted, doubts about 200mm by Pentax

[Boris Liberman]

Luiz, I have had two copies of F 70-210/4-5.6 (which I think is also ED 
but such a marking is not present). This one:

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/zooms/long/F70-210f4-5.6.html

I cannot possibly recommend it enough. Gorgeous optic.

On 8/5/2013 9:35 PM, luiz felipe wrote:

thanks P.J.

I had little luck with 70-210 by Takumar (M42) and Pentax, but probably
because both lenses were rather banged when I got them. used for a short
while a diff 70-210 sample that I remember as good, but being a borrowed
lens I never got to test it.

I'll be quickly testing the SMC-M next week, and probably I'll trade.
these nights I'll be testing the 80-320, the SMC Takumar 200mm/4 and
whatever other long lens I gather against a far wall with tiles and
street lamps. if possible, I'd test both 200mm with this scene, but
don't think this will be possible. we'll see...

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Re: Few PESOs and new gear report

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Don. The good things about art museums is that they have very 
interesting lighting even in the cafeterias, so that museum visit is 
always an opportunity for some photography.


On 8/5/2013 7:25 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:

Boris, I think etude is especially fine and well titled.

pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

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Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 21:16:16 +0300
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Hi!

I admit that having Flickr integrated into LightRoom makes me lazy, and
so my blog does not get the attention it deserves. Playing a catch up
game here:

Etude:
http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/08/2013-34-etude.html

Eye contact:
http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/08/2013-35-eye-contact.html

Additionally, I'm slowly making my way into Leica M-mount lenses. Just a
few days ago Voigtlander Heliar 15/4.5 arrived and here is a brief blog
post about it:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/08/voigtlander-super-wide-heliar-15mm-f45.html


Wonderful lens, this little Heliar is...

As usual, please brutally and honestly comment and critique my
photographs:-).

Boris








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Re: Few PESOs and new gear report

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Ann!

On 8/5/2013 4:00 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

late to the party - nicely done, Boris

ann

On 8/5/2013 00:18, Boris Liberman wrote:

Thank you, Christine, Darren and Marco!

On 8/5/2013 5:00 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Me three. I actually think both of them are wonderful.

-Marco

On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Darren Addy wrote:


Absolutely agree with Christine on this one. It is helped out a lot by
the ambient lighting on the wall & images, but love the composition
and exposure.

On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Christine Aguila
 wrote:

Eye Contact is fantastic, Boris.  Love it!  Cheers, Christine


On Aug 3, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:


Hi!

I admit that having Flickr integrated into LightRoom makes me lazy,
and so my blog does not get the attention it deserves. Playing a
catch up game here:

Etude:
http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/08/2013-34-etude.html

Eye contact:
http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/08/2013-35-eye-contact.html

Additionally, I'm slowly making my way into Leica M-mount lenses.
Just a few days ago Voigtlander Heliar 15/4.5 arrived and here is a
brief blog post about it:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/08/voigtlander-super-wide-heliar-15mm-f45.html



Wonderful lens, this little Heliar is...

As usual, please brutally and honestly comment and critique my
photographs :-).

Boris

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Re: An overdose of sepia

[Darren Addy]

Especially loved this one:
http://www.web-options.com/MandCC/content/P0030137_large.html
and this one:
http://www.web-options.com/MandCC/content/P0030032_large.html

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> A nice record of the weekend, Bob!
>
> G
>
> On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>
>> Here are some more pictures from the events of this weekend:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hope you enjoy looking at them as much as I enjoyed taking them.
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Re: An overdose of sepia

[kwaller]

Nice use of the 'way back' machine !

Kenneth Waller
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From: "Bob W" 

Subject: An overdose of sepia



Here are some more pictures from the events of this weekend:



Hope you enjoy looking at them as much as I enjoyed taking them.

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PESO: Mass Ascension

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17484069
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO - The Smooch

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Nice, very intimate. :-)

G

On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:06 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> A fun snap of some friends mugging for the camera. This is Sunny D and Moto:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/07/the-smooch.html?m=1
> 
> Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank 


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Re: PESO - The Smooch

[Daniel J. Matyola]

He doesn't look like he was enjoying it!

Great scene, Frank;  lots of humanity there.

Dan Matyola
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> A fun snap of some friends mugging for the camera. This is Sunny D and Moto:
>
>  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/07/the-smooch.html?m=1
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.
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> Cheers,
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Re: An overdose of sepia

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A nice record of the weekend, Bob! 

G

On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Bob W  wrote:

> Here are some more pictures from the events of this weekend:
> 
> 
> 
> Hope you enjoy looking at them as much as I enjoyed taking them.


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Re: PESO: In the Gondola

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Frank!
As to the color, I thought it was due to the early morning (7:00)
light, but I will see if I can make it look more natural.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
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> Love their expressions! Looks like they're having a great time.
>
> I am loathe to comment on colour since I'm looking at this on my android but 
> their skin tones seem very yellow to me. Not golden but yellow.
>
> But as I said, maybe it's me.
>
> Otherwise a lovely photo, and if I'm right it's certainly fixable.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
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> From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> Sent: August 5, 2013 8/5/13
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: PESO: In the Gondola
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17484057&size=md
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Re: PESO - Focusing Before the Race

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

That's his real name, too!

I agree, that would be a great title.

Thanks for the kind words. 

Thanks as well to all who looked and commented. Appreciated!

cheers,
frank


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Sent: August 5, 2013 8/5/13
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Subject: Re: PESO - Focusing Before the Race

The title 'Jimmy Pants' works for me!

Nice capture. I like the moment you caught.

Kenneth Waller
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> Excuse the banal title.
>
> This is Jimmy Pants, eventual race winner of last when's Alleycat race, 
> moments before the first heat:
>
> http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2013/08/focusing-before-race.html?m=1
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
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Re: PESO - Focusing Before the Race

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He's got a typical road racer's body: wiry upper body, big thighs, skinny 
calves. The camera angle and wide focal length don't give a sense of his lower 
body proportions and exaggerate his slim upper body.

Thanks for the comment, Jack!

Cheers,
frank

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From: Jack Davis 
Sent: August 5, 2013 8/5/13
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Subject: Re: PESO - Focusing Before the Race

I think this person should cut waaay back on his race schedule. If an emaciated 
appearance is what he's going for, he's made it. 

Jack



From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
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Subject: PESO - Focusing Before the Race


Excuse the banal title.

This is Jimmy Pants, eventual race winner of last when's Alleycat race, moments 
before the first heat:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2013/08/focusing-before-race.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

Cheers,
frank 

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PESO - The Smooch

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

A fun snap of some friends mugging for the camera. This is Sunny D and Moto:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/07/the-smooch.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Waterfight!

[Joseph McAllister]

You were monumentally tall back in the day, it seems!   :) :)

On Aug 5, 2013, at 07:19 , George Sinos wrote:

> This is one of my favorite photos.  Taken long ago with a Spotmatic.
> 
> I missed the focus.  They ran from a brightly lit part of the yard
> into shadow and I didn't react fast enough so the original was
> underexposed.  Just think, if I had the fancy auto-focus,
> auto-exposure camera of today it would be be a technical masterpiece!
> Well, probably not.  More likely it would be mis-focused and poorly
> exposed in a different way.
> 
> I scanned it from a 13 year old faded slide, cropped it, tried to fix
> the exposure, and cloned out a bunch of junk that was cluttering up
> the yard.
> 
> Anyway, as technically poor as it is, this photo has always been and
> continues to be a favorite because of the content. I'm going to make a
> small print.  It will make a nice addition to the family photos that
> hang on the wall.
> 
> 
> 
> gs


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RE: PESO - Anna, pronounced Ahna

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Love it!

cheers,
frank

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https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/46sU316B2da

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RE: PESO Paper Moon

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Lovely!

Terrific smile.

Cheers,
frank 

--- Original Message ---

From: Bruce Walker 
Sent: August 5, 2013 8/5/13
To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List 
Subject: PESO Paper Moon

Zoey Adams of the jazz trio Paper Moon:

http://flic.kr/p/fovcBi

Louise and I joined Gerrit and his wife at Gate 403 in Toronto last
evening for jazz, friendship, drink and food. A success on all counts.

K20D, DA* 55/1.4, f/3.2, 1/100th, ISO 3200.
Lr + Ps + Nik.

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RE: PESO: In the Gondola

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Love their expressions! Looks like they're having a great time.

I am loathe to comment on colour since I'm looking at this on my android but 
their skin tones seem very yellow to me. Not golden but yellow.

But as I said, maybe it's me.

Otherwise a lovely photo, and if I'm right it's certainly fixable.

Cheers,
frank

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From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
Sent: August 5, 2013 8/5/13
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PESO: In the Gondola

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17484057&size=md
Comments are invited.

Dan Matyola
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Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem

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On Aug 3, 2013, at 14:44 , Bill wrote:

> On 03/08/2013 9:14 AM, Walt wrote:
>> Finished? Hell, I'm not sure my portfolio is even started! ;)
>> 
>> My biggest difficulty has been deciding which of my images are appropriate 
>> to the context. The vast majority of my portraiture is casual/unposed, 
>> environmental stuff -- hardly any of which is geared toward accentuating 
>> beauty. Unfortunately, some of my best work reflects some ugly aspects of 
>> humanity.
>> 
> 
> Toss a girl into an old bathtub, splash some stage blood around the set and 
> on her, and take pictures.
> You'll fit right in.
> 
> bill

One of the much used props in the studio a partner and I shared with some 
architects in the 60s. Dry ice in a bowl in the tub worked, as did having just 
their eyes and hair peering over the side.

84 Vanderwater. Still there, but empty and dark, trash scattered street. 

Of course, it was a different time, but when we had time to spare we just 
called the major agencies and asked for a model or two from their head-shot 
book. I usually spoke of the phone with the girls to give them an idea of my 
interests, which gave them ideas on what clothes to bring and what lighting to 
make up for. 

I helped with makeup if needed, and preferred to keep it simple. Now-a-days you 
have to be an artist to pencil and color in "smokey eyes" as well as deal with 
whether to accentuate or hide the multicolor inks decorating so much skin.

My favorite shoots were day long trips into the abandoned towns and buildings 
in the SF / Sacramento area. Never had a model be skittish about going off with 
me. In fact, changing in the open next to my VW Bus seemed to be their choice. 
Even with inexperienced models both there and in Seattle 20 years ago none 
seemed embarrassed to be nude or almost nude when changing without knowing me 
well if at all. 

My professional attitude and non-threatening manor seemed to allay fears by the 
models. If they were nervous or timid the planned shoots were designed to calm 
them. Always seemed to work out. 



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Re: An overdose of sepia

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very interesting and engaging.  I love the vintage touches.

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>
> 
>
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>
> B
>
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An overdose of sepia

[Bob W]

Here are some more pictures from the events of this weekend:



Hope you enjoy looking at them as much as I enjoyed taking them.

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RE: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Bill Sawyer]

Thanks, Ken.  I've been in lurk mode for quite a while - I haven't taken a
serious photo in months, just no motivation.

The Wildlife Photographer of the Year at back at the Detroit Zoo until next
month, you should check it out.

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Hey Bill - long time no post !

Good to hear from you !

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Sawyer" 
Subject: RE: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron


> Paul,
>
> I think #2 is an immature Green Heron. They're fairly common around here.
>
> http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/green_heron/id
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 12:35 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron
>
> A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of 
> feathers
> -- as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in flight.
> I'm sure he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this was a
> different bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on the
> Audubon pages, I think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>
>> I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul ann
>>
>> On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River 
>>> feeder
> stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I
> followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that
> appeared to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, 
> against
> a busy background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight up and
> brown markings on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this morning,
> I've come to the conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons all have
> that crown of feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them 
> extended.
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg


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Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon

[Bob Sullivan]

No, he's in his white sequined jumpsuit singing 'Hound Dog.'
The black velvet canvas really makes him stand out.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 04:25:11PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>> Steve,
>> Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet.
>
> Are those the potos of Elvis playing poker with the dogs?
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Re: My Water Lily

[Bob Sullivan]

Thanks Bruce.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> That's a beauty, Bob, and in really fine light.
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently.
>> Thanks to Dan for the inspiration.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486504
>>
>> Comments, thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: PESO - Anna, pronounced Ahna

[Doug Brewer]

On 8/5/13 5:21 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 5/8/13, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:


https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/46sU316B2da


Superb!



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Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon

[Larry Colen]

On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 04:25:11PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Steve,
> Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet.

Are those the potos of Elvis playing poker with the dogs?


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Last Call - August PUG

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

I'll be closing submissions on Thursday morning (Sydney time).

We have 14 submissions so far.

Theme:  Signs of the Times.

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body  
or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to  
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Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon

[steve harley]

on 2013-08-05 15:25 Bob Sullivan wrote

Steve,
Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet.
Just the thing for over the couch in the family room.


no i have not seen them - you were there at the viewing of his corpse?

i don't have a family room, but i do have a couch; unfortunately for Elvis, 
only works depicting children are on that wall at the moment


i don't suppose it's likely, but if you happen to crack open his coffin, and 
you can get a child into the scene and take another photo, i'd be interested in 
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Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon

[Bruce Walker]

Exactly, Don. You have to put yourself in the mindset of folks going
to craft fairs: looking for inexpensive gifts for friends and
relatives. Maybe something decorative for the bathroom. They are not
looking for expensive art, especially large framed objects.

OTOH, people going into galleries are possibly in the market and frame
of mind for art.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Larry I have had the same thoughts & reaction to our local Saturday crafts
> fairs. One very good local pro offers about 20 different photos all done in
> exactly same style (sorta Instagram look.) As the summer has gone on her
> inventory has dwindled so she is selling. I do think people may like one
> photo and buy a different one as they are looking more for something to go
> with their decor more than they are looking for art to treasure.
> I have been told it is difficult to sell large matted prints.But if you want
> to sell, your best bet is 5 note-cards with photos wrapped in a ribbon and
> priced around 15-20 bucks. Everybody needs greeting cards or knows someone
> who does.
>
> Someday when I retire I may like you set up and find out for myself.
>
> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:25:24 -0700
>> From: Larry Colen
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
>> Message-ID:<20130805172524.gh22...@platypus.gruk.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>> There was a little street fair in Santa Cruz this weekend, and while
>> I was downtown I took a few minutes to peruse the booths.  There
>> were a couple of photographers there selling prints. I didn't talk
>> to them, and can only assume that they've been selling at fairs long
>> enough to tune their inventory to what sells.  Based on that assumption,
>>
>> if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I,
>> or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death.
>>
>> When I was in high school, the father of one of my best friends would
>> sell his paintings at art shows.  He basically had three paintings
>> that he'd do, with minor variations on the boat, the dock, and maybe
>> the sky. He found what sold, and that was what he painted.
>>
>> I suspect that it would be educational sometime to print up a bunch
>> of my photos, and set up a booth at a street fair sometime, just to
>> see what photosi, if any, people liked well enough to spend money on.
>>
>> I'm sure that I would learn a lot from such a weekend. I just don't
>> know whether I'd learn more about my photography, or the artistic
>> tastes of the American public.
>>
>> -- Larry Colen
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Re: My Water Lily

[Bruce Walker]

That's a beauty, Bob, and in really fine light.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently.
> Thanks to Dan for the inspiration.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486504
>
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Re: Way OT - to the neighbors

[Bill]

On 05/08/2013 12:18 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


To quote a classic meme: "All your base are belong to us".
(Google it if you don't know this phrase.)

Dear neighbors from Canada and Mexico, welcome to the [US] Homeland!
http://rt.com/usa/mexico-canada-us-homeland-961/
http://o.canada.com/2013/08/01/canada-homeland-map/

I'm sure Stephen Harper's is happy that all his hard work as a toadie 
for Obama is paying off.


bill

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Re: Any one using.....

[Philip Northeast]

Corel bought bibble 5 and re-branded it as aftershotpro.

I have use bibble for many years. Version 5 was a big step and they ran 
out of resources to properly develop 5 so they sold to Corel and 
bibble's main man went an worked for Corel.


He felt that with more backing they could provide the resources to 
finish the job properly.


Well worth a look

Philip Northeast

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On 6/08/13 12:26 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

.Corel's

  AftershotPro.??

Looking for cheaper edit programs for our camer club memebrs. I have
downloaded the trial but not used it yet.

dave





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Re: PESO Paper Moon

[kwaller]

Great expression & capture!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Walker" 

Subject: PESO Paper Moon



Zoey Adams of the jazz trio Paper Moon:

http://flic.kr/p/fovcBi

Louise and I joined Gerrit and his wife at Gate 403 in Toronto last
evening for jazz, friendship, drink and food. A success on all counts.

K20D, DA* 55/1.4, f/3.2, 1/100th, ISO 3200.
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Re: PESO Paper Moon

[Jack Davis]

Very nice catch, Bruce. Mood and pose are a terrific match.

Jack


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Subject: PESO Paper Moon

Zoey Adams of the jazz trio Paper Moon:

http://flic.kr/p/fovcBi

Louise and I joined Gerrit and his wife at Gate 403 in Toronto last
evening for jazz, friendship, drink and food. A success on all counts.

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Re: My Water Lily

[Bob Sullivan]

Thanks Ken,
More of a figurative stumble than a literal one.
(Had to keep the 4 year old out of the pond!)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:14 PM,   wrote:
>> Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently
>
>
> How wet did you get Bob?
>
> Nice capture !
>
> Kenneth Waller
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> - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" 
> Subject: My Water Lily
>
>
>> Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently.
>> Thanks to Dan for the inspiration.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486504
>>
>> Comments, thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[kwaller]

Hey Bill - long time no post !

Good to hear from you !

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Sawyer" 

Subject: RE: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron



Paul,

I think #2 is an immature Green Heron. They're fairly common around here.

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/green_heron/id

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Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 12:35 PM
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A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of 
feathers

-- as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in flight.
I'm sure he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this was a
different bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on the
Audubon pages, I think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.


On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul ann

On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:
This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River 
feeder

stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I
followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that
appeared to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, 
against

a busy background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight up and
brown markings on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this morning,
I've come to the conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons all have
that crown of feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them 
extended.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg



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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[kwaller]

('I may be wrong now, but I don't think so...' )


Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken


I have to admit the bird is a Green Heron

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- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Sanfedele" 

Subject: Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron


well it was fun to examine the evidence, even if wrong conclusion - we 
shall have to remember to shout out to Matthew and Darren next time.

I do think i"m right about Stan's Phoebe tho -

('I may be wrong now, but I don't think so...' )
I've been watching Monk reruns partly due to the CBS blackout in NYC :-(

ann



On 8/5/2013 13:35, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Could be you're right, Ann. Although the brown markings on the neck of 
your juvenile heron are similar to those on the neck of my guy. It could 
be that the heron I shot in flight disappeared into the brush somewhere 
and this guy was a co-conspirator. BTW, this little stretch of wetland 
river is in a suburban area, across the street form office buildings, but 
I've shot numerous herons and egrets there. There are numerous lakes in 
the area, so it's not too surprising, but at a glance no one would 
mistake it for a bird sanctuary. Shot some kind of tern-looking thing 
there yesterday as well.


Paul
On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

well between googling and my National Geo print book, I still come up 
with bittern for you guy...


Note the shortness and color of legs

.. Great blue's don't have yellow legs... and bittern's toupee could 
just be wind-blown


Browsing google , one thing that came up was a spectacular shot of
a juvenile great blue which convinced me more your's is a bittern,
although I can certainly see why the confusion.
Fun to do this - its like we were out birding together :-)

http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840/image/70910463

ann




On 8/5/2013 12:34, Paul Stenquist wrote:
A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of 
feathers -- as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot 
in flight. I'm sure he landed in the water. I was convinced at first 
that this was a different bird, but after looking at some pics of 
juvenile herons on the Audubon pages, I think this is the same bird. 
Could b wrong of course.



On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul
ann

On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:
This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River 
feeder stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took 
flight. I followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw 
another bird that appeared to be a different species standing on a 
log (unfortunately, against a busy background). He had a crown of 
feathers standing straight up and brown markings on his neck. After 
studying the Audubon guide this morning, I've come to the conclusion 
that they're one and the same. Herons all have that crown of 
feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them extended.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg



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Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon

[Bob Sullivan]

Steve,
Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet.
Just the thing for over the couch in the family room.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> on 2013-08-05 11:25 Larry Colen wrote
>
>>  Based on that assumption,
>> if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I,
>> or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death.
>
>
> i am a strong art (and craft) appreciator and often visit galleries and some
> street fairs in Denver (and when i travel); in general, i will not go to
> just any street fair because the "artistry" is much as you describe; at the
> better fairs (e.g. Cherry Creek Arts Festival), i still find that painting
> and photography are the most oft-debased art forms; something about the fair
> audiences means that success seems to pair with (artistic and personal)
> glibness
>
> i find myself spending much longer in the booths of fabric, glass, ceramic,
> jewelry and other artists; still a mixed bag, but there's something about
> these other arts that allows more true creativity in the commercial context
> of a street fair; i am more often challenged by these artists' works
>
> galleries are another matter; good ones keep truly interesting and
> challenging art coming, and painting and photography seem stronger in the
> gallery world; despite the many flaws of the gallery system, i would
> probably be much happier pursuing an art career through galleries
>
>
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Re: What if Pentax did a Kickstarter?

[Bob Sullivan]

Soon as Pentax wants to do some, I'm in.
Fast, longer glass would be useful.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Don't know if anyone has seen the follow-up story on Petapixel, but
> Zenit's Kickstarter has raised over $1 MILLION dollars and has 18 days
> still left to go in the campaign. Roughly 2500 copies of the lens have
> been "pre-ordered".
>
> I do think that there are some lessons that Pentax (and other
> companies) could learn from this. Over half of the million dollars was
> raised by the people buying this lens for $350 or $400 ("funding" at a
> level that gets a production lens, I should say). People paid MORE for
> the privilege of getting one of the FIRST lenses produced (low serial
> numbers), or having something engraved on the lens, and some people
> paid up to $2600 for packages that included a trip and the lens. Zenit
> was also smart in making two versions (brass and black) available for
> this lens, so they could effectively double the number of funding
> points (making separate ones for each lens version).
>
> I have to believe that this has wildly exceeded Zenit's initial goals.
> Knowing exactly how many are "preordered" will allow them to source
> the materials at bulk quantity prices, as well as gauge potential
> future demand (should they wish to continue offering it into the
> future, or have some to sell as stock).
>
> It is also worth noting that this is for a lens design that is highly
> "flawed" by modern optical standards.
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>>
>> Yes, Boeing wanted to get out from under the Engineers and Machinists 
>> Unions, who kept winning against Boeing in the negotiations over most 
>> anything.
>>
>> S. Carolina (or wherever) offered Boeing a union-free facility and of course 
>> many tax breaks. The Everett gangs won after a walkout that delayed the 787, 
>> along with dozens of other snags that apparently are still occurring. 
>> Building the future of aircraft design is tough.
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>>
>> On Jul 27, 2013, at 09:52 , kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
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>>> I remember an issue a while back where the union/government was trying to 
>>> prevent Boeing from moving some production out of Washington state to S 
>>> Carolina. Apparently the company won.
>>>
>>> http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/charleston/
>>>
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>>> - Original Message - From: "John" 
>>> Subject: Re: What if Pentax did a Kickstarter?
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>>>
 On 7/26/2013 11:48 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
> I'd bet that the parts for a lens come from many different sources
> that specialize in the part they are producing for such a lens, or
> even a camera body.

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Re: PESO - Anna, pronounced Ahna

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/8/13, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/46sU316B2da

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Re: My Water Lily

[kwaller]

Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently


How wet did you get Bob?

Nice capture !

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" 

Subject: My Water Lily



Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently.
Thanks to Dan for the inspiration.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486504

Comments, thoughts?

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Re: My Water Lily

[Bob Sullivan]

Thanks Don, I didn't really stumble.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> A very different composition and ergo different feel. Hope you did not fall
> in when you stumbled. And I  do like the photo.
> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 13:00:48 -0500
>> From: Bob Sullivan
>> To: PDML
>> Subject: My Water Lily
>> Message-ID:
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>> Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently.
>> Thanks to Dan for the inspiration.
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>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486504
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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[kwaller]

My 'Birds of Michigan' book agrees with you Paul.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron


A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of 
feathers -- as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in 
flight. I'm sure he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this 
was a different bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on 
the Audubon pages, I think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.



On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul
ann

On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:
This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River 
feeder stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took 
flight. I followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another 
bird that appeared to be a different species standing on a log 
(unfortunately, against a busy background). He had a crown of feathers 
standing straight up and brown markings on his neck. After studying the 
Audubon guide this morning, I've come to the conclusion that they're one 
and the same. Herons all have that crown of feathers, but this is the 
first time I've seen them extended.


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Re: PESO - Focusing Before the Race

[kwaller]

The title 'Jimmy Pants' works for me!

Nice capture. I like the moment you caught.

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- Original Message - 
From: 

Subject: PESO - Focusing Before the Race



Excuse the banal title.

This is Jimmy Pants, eventual race winner of last when's Alleycat race, 
moments before the first heat:


http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2013/08/focusing-before-race.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[kwaller]

Both very nice captures but the first gets my vote for the OOF background 
and the dynamic capture.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron


This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River feeder 
stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I 
followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that 
appeared to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, 
against a busy background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight 
up and brown markings on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this 
morning, I've come to the conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons 
all have that crown of feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them 
extended.


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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Bill. That seems to be the consensus. Now I wonder what became of the 
bird I shot in flight. Never saw him rise from the river, so he must have been 
in hiding. I believe he had to be a Great Blue Heron -- perhaps not all that 
immature.

Paul
On Aug 5, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Bill Sawyer  wrote:

> Paul,
> 
> I think #2 is an immature Green Heron. They're fairly common around here. 
> 
> http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/green_heron/id
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> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist
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> 
> A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of feathers
> -- as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in flight.
> I'm sure he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this was a
> different bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on the
> Audubon pages, I think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.
> 
> 
> On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
>> I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul ann
>> 
>> On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River feeder
> stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I
> followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that
> appeared to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, against
> a busy background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight up and
> brown markings on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this morning,
> I've come to the conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons all have
> that crown of feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them extended.
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg
>>> 
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Re: Re: Geso My fair entries for this year

[Don Guthrie]

Our county fair had photography contest for the 1st time this year 
9several hundred entries). I entered 5 prints & won one best in show 
(for the vineyard photo I posted here awhile back) 2 blues and a purple 
ribbon ( explained to me as second place for best in show) I will try to 
post the latter tomorrow for any who might be interested. The Iowa State 
fair starts this week & I have nothing entered but hope to get there to 
check out the competition which I expect to be stiff. Our cash rewards 
about the same as I remember. No digital entries.


All this is my way of wishing you much success!


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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:39:24 -0400
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:

>Nice selection some of which I have liked here before. Fair? Do you submit
>as prints or digital.

Both, the file names that start with a # are digital entries.


Vying for ribbons or cash?

Both, first to 5th place ribbons and then you get a small amount of
cash for each ribbon. from $2.00 to $0.50 depending on the placement

Dave

>
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>>Message: 10
>>Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:03:56 -0400
>>From: David J Brooks
>>To: Pentax Discuss, Petch Dianne
>> ,   Barbara Brooks
>>Subject: Geso My fair entries for this year
>>Message-ID:
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>>http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-fair1/album/index.html
>>
>>Dave
>>
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>>http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/  York Region, Ontario, Canada

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Re: Geso My fair entries for this year

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I like your selections ! A great slice of rural/farming life.

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: Geso My fair entries for this year



http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-fair1/album/index.html

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Re: PESO: In the Gondola

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Don.

I believe the two on the right are passengers, who paid to ride in the
balloon, and the guy who is barely visible on the left is the operator
of the balloon.  This is probably their first flight, and at this
point they would be only a couple of minutes past lift off.

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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> I love the excitement in those faces.
>
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:50:53 -0400
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>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17484057&size=md
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>>
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Re: My Water Lily

[Daniel J. Matyola]

You just HAD to show me up didn't you, Bob!  

Seriously, it is a fine image.  I see yours has a white spot in the
water as well.
That can't be a coincidence.

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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently.
> Thanks to Dan for the inspiration.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486504
>
> Comments, thoughts?
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> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: PESO Paper Moon

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nice smile, and very well lit.

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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Zoey Adams of the jazz trio Paper Moon:
>
> http://flic.kr/p/fovcBi
>
> Louise and I joined Gerrit and his wife at Gate 403 in Toronto last
> evening for jazz, friendship, drink and food. A success on all counts.
>
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Re: OT/PESO: Pentax hard at work

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Not a very good likeness of you, but a fun shot.
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> The Cleveland Plain Dealer has an image of yours truly capturing the funky 
> oddness that is "Twins Days" with my K5.
>
> http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/pgmain/img/plain-dealer/photo/2013/08/-d624308c43eed270.jpg
>
> (Noah, Moses, and Jonas Alooh in their "fairy-tale-themed" costumes for the 
> parade)
>
> Bonus: The triplet on the far right shoots with a K5 as well.
>
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Re: PESO: Water Lily

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Bob and Don.

Don, I see the spot also.  It was really there, in the water.  I
thought about cloning it out, but then I looked at all the
imperfections in the lily pads, and decided once I go down that road,
I might never stop.

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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Very nice Dan. I do find water lilies hard to photograph and usually in the
> wrong light. There is one little white spec in the water on the right I kept
> trying to wipe off my monitor.
>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 01:12:55 -0400
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>> From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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>> Message-ID:
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>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17485155
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>>
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OT/PESO: Pentax hard at work

[Charles Robinson]

The Cleveland Plain Dealer has an image of yours truly capturing the funky 
oddness that is "Twins Days" with my K5.

http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/pgmain/img/plain-dealer/photo/2013/08/-d624308c43eed270.jpg

(Noah, Moses, and Jonas Alooh in their "fairy-tale-themed" costumes for the 
parade)

Bonus: The triplet on the far right shoots with a K5 as well.

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Re: PESO - Focusing Before the Race

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He certainly looks intense.
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Excuse the banal title.
>
> This is Jimmy Pants, eventual race winner of last when's Alleycat race, 
> moments before the first heat:
>
>  http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2013/08/focusing-before-race.html?m=1
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
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PESO Paper Moon

[Bruce Walker]

Zoey Adams of the jazz trio Paper Moon:

http://flic.kr/p/fovcBi

Louise and I joined Gerrit and his wife at Gate 403 in Toronto last
evening for jazz, friendship, drink and food. A success on all counts.

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Lr + Ps + Nik.

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Re: My Water Lily

[Alan C]

Thanks, Bob & Dan. They are amazing plants, able to survive the dry 
(totally) season & then burst into life & bloom as soon as the pans fill up.


Alan C

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From: Bob Sullivan

Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 8:00 PM
To: PDML
Subject: My Water Lily

Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently.
Thanks to Dan for the inspiration.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486504

Comments, thoughts?

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re:Geso Old Fashioned Threshing Bee

[Don Guthrie]

Well I was so busy catching up on all the wonder photos on pdml as well 
as the photo discussions that I almost forgot to thank everyone who 
commented on my threshing pictures


So thanks to everyone who looked and I appreciated the comments and 
suggestions. Warning! you are just encouraging me to post more.


Don

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Re: Geso My fair entries for this year

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Nice selection some of which I have liked here before. Fair? Do you submit
> as prints or digital.
Both, the file names that start with a # are digital entries.


Vying for ribbons or cash?

Both, first to 5th place ribbons and then you get a small amount of
cash for each ribbon. from $2.00 to $0.50 depending on the placement

Dave
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>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:03:56 -0400
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>> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-fair1/album/index.html
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Re:I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon

[Don Guthrie]

Pronounced simply lovely around here.

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Re:I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon

[Don Guthrie]

Larry I have had the same thoughts & reaction to our local Saturday 
crafts fairs. One very good local pro offers about 20 different photos 
all done in exactly same style (sorta Instagram look.) As the summer has 
gone on her inventory has dwindled so she is selling. I do think people 
may like one photo and buy a different one as they are looking more for 
something to go with their decor more than they are looking for art to 
treasure.
I have been told it is difficult to sell large matted prints.But if you 
want to sell, your best bet is 5 note-cards with photos wrapped in a 
ribbon and priced around 15-20 bucks. Everybody needs greeting cards or 
knows someone who does.


Someday when I retire I may like you set up and find out for myself.

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:25:24 -0700
From: Larry Colen
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There was a little street fair in Santa Cruz this weekend, and while
I was downtown I took a few minutes to peruse the booths.  There
were a couple of photographers there selling prints. I didn't talk
to them, and can only assume that they've been selling at fairs long
enough to tune their inventory to what sells.  Based on that assumption,
if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I,
or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death.

When I was in high school, the father of one of my best friends would
sell his paintings at art shows.  He basically had three paintings
that he'd do, with minor variations on the boat, the dock, and maybe
the sky. He found what sold, and that was what he painted.

I suspect that it would be educational sometime to print up a bunch
of my photos, and set up a booth at a street fair sometime, just to
see what photosi, if any, people liked well enough to spend money on.

I'm sure that I would learn a lot from such a weekend. I just don't
know whether I'd learn more about my photography, or the artistic
tastes of the American public.

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Re:My Water Lily

[Don Guthrie]

A very different composition and ergo different feel. Hope you did not 
fall in when you stumbled. And I  do like the photo.

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 13:00:48 -0500
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Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently.
Thanks to Dan for the inspiration.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486504

Comments, thoughts?

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Re: What if Pentax did a Kickstarter?

[Darren Addy]

Don't know if anyone has seen the follow-up story on Petapixel, but
Zenit's Kickstarter has raised over $1 MILLION dollars and has 18 days
still left to go in the campaign. Roughly 2500 copies of the lens have
been "pre-ordered".

I do think that there are some lessons that Pentax (and other
companies) could learn from this. Over half of the million dollars was
raised by the people buying this lens for $350 or $400 ("funding" at a
level that gets a production lens, I should say). People paid MORE for
the privilege of getting one of the FIRST lenses produced (low serial
numbers), or having something engraved on the lens, and some people
paid up to $2600 for packages that included a trip and the lens. Zenit
was also smart in making two versions (brass and black) available for
this lens, so they could effectively double the number of funding
points (making separate ones for each lens version).

I have to believe that this has wildly exceeded Zenit's initial goals.
Knowing exactly how many are "preordered" will allow them to source
the materials at bulk quantity prices, as well as gauge potential
future demand (should they wish to continue offering it into the
future, or have some to sell as stock).

It is also worth noting that this is for a lens design that is highly
"flawed" by modern optical standards.





On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> Thanks for reminding me Ken.
>
> Yes, Boeing wanted to get out from under the Engineers and Machinists Unions, 
> who kept winning against Boeing in the negotiations over most anything.
>
> S. Carolina (or wherever) offered Boeing a union-free facility and of course 
> many tax breaks. The Everett gangs won after a walkout that delayed the 787, 
> along with dozens of other snags that apparently are still occurring. 
> Building the future of aircraft design is tough.
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2013, at 09:52 , kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
>
>> I remember an issue a while back where the union/government was trying to 
>> prevent Boeing from moving some production out of Washington state to S 
>> Carolina. Apparently the company won.
>>
>> http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/charleston/
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "John" 
>> Subject: Re: What if Pentax did a Kickstarter?
>>
>>
>>> On 7/26/2013 11:48 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
 I'd bet that the parts for a lens come from many different sources
 that specialize in the part they are producing for such a lens, or
 even a camera body.
>>>
>
>
>
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Re:PESO: In the Gondola

[Don Guthrie]

I love the excitement in those faces.

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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17484057&size=md
Comments are invited.

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Re:Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Don Guthrie]

I vote with Dan on this one. Plus I like the action of this one.

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Both are great captures.  I really like the one of the heron in
flight, especially the shape of its wings.
Well done.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

>This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River feeder 
stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I followed 
it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that appeared to be a 
different species standing on a log (unfortunately, against a busy background). He 
had a crown of feathers standing straight up and brown markings on his neck. After 
studying the Audubon guide this morning, I've come to the conclusion that they're 
one and the same. Herons all have that crown of feathers, but this is the first 
time I've seen them extended.
>
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg
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Re: PDML Digest, Vol 88, Issue 33

[Don Guthrie]

George, honestly I think a photo like that defies and and supersedes any 
technical issues. Technical perfection can sometimes be sterile.


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This is one of my favorite photos.  Taken long ago with a Spotmatic.

I missed the focus.  They ran from a brightly lit part of the yard
into shadow and I didn't react fast enough so the original was
underexposed.  Just think, if I had the fancy auto-focus,
auto-exposure camera of today it would be be a technical masterpiece!
Well, probably not.  More likely it would be mis-focused and poorly
exposed in a different way.

  I scanned it from a 13 year old faded slide, cropped it, tried to fix
the exposure, and cloned out a bunch of junk that was cluttering up
the yard.

Anyway, as technically poor as it is, this photo has always been and
continues to be a favorite because of the content. I'm going to make a
small print.  It will make a nice addition to the family photos that
hang on the wall.



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Re:Geso My fair entries for this year

[Don Guthrie]

Nice selection some of which I have liked here before. Fair? Do you 
submit as prints or digital. Vying for ribbons or cash?


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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:03:56 -0400
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http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-fair1/album/index.html

Dave

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RE: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Bill Sawyer]

Paul,

I think #2 is an immature Green Heron. They're fairly common around here. 

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/green_heron/id

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A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of feathers
-- as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in flight.
I'm sure he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this was a
different bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on the
Audubon pages, I think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.


On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul ann
> 
> On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River feeder
stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I
followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that
appeared to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, against
a busy background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight up and
brown markings on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this morning,
I've come to the conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons all have
that crown of feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them extended.
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg
>> 
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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Darren Addy]

That makes two of us, Ann.
: )

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> I didn't see your comment until I ka-chinged Darrens.. :-)
>
> Enjoyed this whole thread
> ann
>
>
>
> On 8/5/2013 13:50, Matthew Hunt wrote:
>>
>> I would go with juvenile Green Heron for Paul's photograph:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg
>>
>> See this illustration from Sibley's field guide (conveniently in the same
>> pose):
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/Cph7z1u.png
>>
>> Or the juvenile photograph here:
>>
>> http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/green_heron/id
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Paul Stenquist 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Could be you're right, Ann. Although the brown markings on the neck of
>>> your juvenile heron are similar to those on the neck of my guy. It could be
>>> that the heron I shot in flight disappeared into the brush somewhere and
>>> this guy was a co-conspirator. BTW, this little stretch of wetland river is
>>> in a suburban area, across the street form office buildings, but I've shot
>>> numerous herons and egrets there. There are numerous lakes in the area, so
>>> it's not too surprising, but at a glance no one would mistake it for a bird
>>> sanctuary. Shot some kind of tern-looking thing there yesterday as well.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>>>
 well between googling and my National Geo print book, I still come up
 with bittern for you guy...

 Note the shortness and color of legs

 .. Great blue's don't have yellow legs... and bittern's toupee could
 just be wind-blown

 Browsing google , one thing that came up was a spectacular shot of
 a juvenile great blue which convinced me more your's is a bittern,
 although I can certainly see why the confusion.
 Fun to do this - its like we were out birding together :-)

 http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840/image/70910463

 ann




 On 8/5/2013 12:34, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
> A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of
> feathers -- as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in
> flight. I'm sure he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that 
> this
> was a different bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on
> the Audubon pages, I think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>
>> I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul
>> ann
>>
>> On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>>
>>> This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River
>>> feeder stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took 
>>> flight.
>>> I followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that
>>> appeared to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, 
>>> against
>>> a busy background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight up and
>>> brown markings on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this 
>>> morning,
>>> I've come to the conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons all 
>>> have
>>> that crown of feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them 
>>> extended.
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg
>>>
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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Ann Sanfedele]

well it was fun to examine the evidence, even if wrong conclusion - we 
shall have to remember to shout out to Matthew and Darren next time.

I do think i"m right about Stan's Phoebe tho -

('I may be wrong now, but I don't think so...' )
I've been watching Monk reruns partly due to the CBS blackout in NYC :-(

ann



On 8/5/2013 13:35, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Could be you're right, Ann. Although the brown markings on the neck of your 
juvenile heron are similar to those on the neck of my guy. It could be that the 
heron I shot in flight disappeared into the brush somewhere and this guy was a 
co-conspirator. BTW, this little stretch of wetland river is in a suburban 
area, across the street form office buildings, but I've shot numerous herons 
and egrets there. There are numerous lakes in the area, so it's not too 
surprising, but at a glance no one would mistake it for a bird sanctuary. Shot 
some kind of tern-looking thing there yesterday as well.

Paul
On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


well between googling and my National Geo print book, I still come up with 
bittern for you guy...

Note the shortness and color of legs

.. Great blue's don't have yellow legs... and bittern's toupee could just be 
wind-blown

Browsing google , one thing that came up was a spectacular shot of
a juvenile great blue which convinced me more your's is a bittern,
although I can certainly see why the confusion.
Fun to do this - its like we were out birding together :-)

http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840/image/70910463

ann




On 8/5/2013 12:34, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of feathers -- 
as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in flight. I'm sure 
he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this was a different 
bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on the Audubon pages, I 
think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.


On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul
ann

On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:

This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River feeder 
stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I 
followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that appeared 
to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, against a busy 
background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight up and brown markings 
on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this morning, I've come to the 
conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons all have that crown of 
feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them extended.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg



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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Ann Sanfedele]

I didn't see your comment until I ka-chinged Darrens.. :-)

Enjoyed this whole thread
ann


On 8/5/2013 13:50, Matthew Hunt wrote:

I would go with juvenile Green Heron for Paul's photograph:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg

See this illustration from Sibley's field guide (conveniently in the same pose):

http://i.imgur.com/Cph7z1u.png

Or the juvenile photograph here:

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/green_heron/id

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Could be you're right, Ann. Although the brown markings on the neck of your 
juvenile heron are similar to those on the neck of my guy. It could be that the 
heron I shot in flight disappeared into the brush somewhere and this guy was a 
co-conspirator. BTW, this little stretch of wetland river is in a suburban 
area, across the street form office buildings, but I've shot numerous herons 
and egrets there. There are numerous lakes in the area, so it's not too 
surprising, but at a glance no one would mistake it for a bird sanctuary. Shot 
some kind of tern-looking thing there yesterday as well.

Paul
On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


well between googling and my National Geo print book, I still come up with 
bittern for you guy...

Note the shortness and color of legs

.. Great blue's don't have yellow legs... and bittern's toupee could just be 
wind-blown

Browsing google , one thing that came up was a spectacular shot of
a juvenile great blue which convinced me more your's is a bittern,
although I can certainly see why the confusion.
Fun to do this - its like we were out birding together :-)

http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840/image/70910463

ann




On 8/5/2013 12:34, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of feathers -- 
as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in flight. I'm sure 
he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this was a different 
bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on the Audubon pages, I 
think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.


On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul
ann

On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:

This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River feeder 
stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I 
followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that appeared 
to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, against a busy 
background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight up and brown markings 
on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this morning, I've come to the 
conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons all have that crown of 
feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them extended.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg



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Re: Heron, Bittern, or ?

[Ann Sanfedele]

ka-ching!

Glad to have your expertise here...
wish I'd thought of it :-)
ann

On 8/5/2013 14:36, Darren Addy wrote:

I believe that is a juvenile Green Heron.
http://www.pbase.com/jwaldorff/image/84030037



On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bob W  wrote:

That's an archaeopteryx, mate.

B

On 5 Aug 2013, at 18:45, Paul Stenquist  wrote:


I have one more shot of the mystery bird, but it's soft so I didn't include it 
in my earlier post. But it may help with identification. It's here:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486502&size=lg

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help wanted, doubts about 200mm by Pentax

[luiz felipe]

thanks, Darren. will add to search options. FWIW, I'm quite happy with 
the Super Multi Coated Takumar, hope the SMC-M is at least as good.


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Re: A little bit of rhythm and a lot of soul

[Don Guthrie]

Yes! Love the Tom Sayer hat. Great B&W treatment .

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A shot from this weekend:

http://www.web-options.com/Locomotion.jpg

I'll put up a gallery in the next day or two, and hopefully also some photos
from my trip to Rouen.

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Re: PAW187 - Night

[Don Guthrie]

Ah most excellent, tone subject light all wonderful.
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http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
Pentax K-5, DA*50-135mm@135mm, 1/100s, f/2.8, ISO100,

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photo ops: perseids meteor shower aug 11-13, best after midnight...

[luiz felipe]

...but they already have been captured, so heads and cameras up...

lf

http://earthsky.org/space/perseid-fireballs

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PESO - Anna, pronounced Ahna

[Doug Brewer]

https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/46sU316B2da

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Re: help wanted, doubts about 200mm by Pentax

[Darren Addy]

If you want to try a 200mm that will surprise you, give the old
Tele-Takumar 200mm f5.6 preset lens a try. Very lightweight (49mm
filter size) and wonderful colors and contrast in sunlight situations.
Cheap too.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:35 PM, luiz felipe  wrote:
> thanks P.J.
>
> I had little luck with 70-210 by Takumar (M42) and Pentax, but probably
> because both lenses were rather banged when I got them. used for a short
> while a diff 70-210 sample that I remember as good, but being a borrowed
> lens I never got to test it.
>
> I'll be quickly testing the SMC-M next week, and probably I'll trade. these
> nights I'll be testing the 80-320, the SMC Takumar 200mm/4 and whatever
> other long lens I gather against a far wall with tiles and street lamps. if
> possible, I'd test both 200mm with this scene, but don't think this will be
> possible. we'll see...
>
> lf
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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[steve harley]

on 2013-08-05 11:50 Matthew Hunt wrote

I would go with juvenile Green Heron for Paul's photograph:


me too; i have encountered one once, quite closely, and their proportions are 
notable and similar to the black-crowned night herons i see fairly often


the blue heron is a cool shot; i like how the wings ghost and the good contrast 
with background


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Re: Heron, Bittern, or ?

[Darren Addy]

I believe that is a juvenile Green Heron.
http://www.pbase.com/jwaldorff/image/84030037



On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> That's an archaeopteryx, mate.
>
> B
>
> On 5 Aug 2013, at 18:45, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
>> I have one more shot of the mystery bird, but it's soft so I didn't include 
>> it in my earlier post. But it may help with identification. It's here:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486502&size=lg
>>
>> Paul
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help wanted, doubts about 200mm by Pentax

[luiz felipe]

thanks P.J.

I had little luck with 70-210 by Takumar (M42) and Pentax, but probably 
because both lenses were rather banged when I got them. used for a short 
while a diff 70-210 sample that I remember as good, but being a borrowed 
lens I never got to test it.


I'll be quickly testing the SMC-M next week, and probably I'll trade. 
these nights I'll be testing the 80-320, the SMC Takumar 200mm/4 and 
whatever other long lens I gather against a far wall with tiles and 
street lamps. if possible, I'd test both 200mm with this scene, but 
don't think this will be possible. we'll see...


lf

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Re: PESO sunset planespotting

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/8/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>Where one person will look at two photos and like the uncluttered 
>photo of the airplane against the sky, and wonder why I even bothered
>showing the photo with the cluttered distracting background, another
>person will wonder why I bothered with the picture of just an airplane
>with no context, and will really like the one that shows the hustle
>and bustle of an active airport in the background.
>
>I would much rather a photo evoke strong feelings of both love and
>hate, rather than have it disappear without a ripple into a sea
>of indifference.

Beautifully put mate.

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Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon

[steve harley]

on 2013-08-05 11:25 Larry Colen wrote

 Based on that assumption,
if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I,
or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death.


i am a strong art (and craft) appreciator and often visit galleries and some 
street fairs in Denver (and when i travel); in general, i will not go to just 
any street fair because the "artistry" is much as you describe; at the better 
fairs (e.g. Cherry Creek Arts Festival), i still find that painting and 
photography are the most oft-debased art forms; something about the fair 
audiences means that success seems to pair with (artistic and personal) glibness


i find myself spending much longer in the booths of fabric, glass, ceramic, 
jewelry and other artists; still a mixed bag, but there's something about these 
other arts that allows more true creativity in the commercial context of a 
street fair; i am more often challenged by these artists' works


galleries are another matter; good ones keep truly interesting and challenging 
art coming, and painting and photography seem stronger in the gallery world; 
despite the many flaws of the gallery system, i would probably be much happier 
pursuing an art career through galleries






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Re: Heron, Bittern, or ?

[Bob W]

That's an archaeopteryx, mate.

B

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> I have one more shot of the mystery bird, but it's soft so I didn't include 
> it in my earlier post. But it may help with identification. It's here:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486502&size=lg
> 
> Paul
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My Water Lily

[Bob Sullivan]

Here's a water lily I stumbled across recently.
Thanks to Dan for the inspiration.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486504

Comments, thoughts?

Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Matthew Hunt]

I would go with juvenile Green Heron for Paul's photograph:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg

See this illustration from Sibley's field guide (conveniently in the same pose):

http://i.imgur.com/Cph7z1u.png

Or the juvenile photograph here:

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/green_heron/id

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Could be you're right, Ann. Although the brown markings on the neck of your 
> juvenile heron are similar to those on the neck of my guy. It could be that 
> the heron I shot in flight disappeared into the brush somewhere and this guy 
> was a co-conspirator. BTW, this little stretch of wetland river is in a 
> suburban area, across the street form office buildings, but I've shot 
> numerous herons and egrets there. There are numerous lakes in the area, so 
> it's not too surprising, but at a glance no one would mistake it for a bird 
> sanctuary. Shot some kind of tern-looking thing there yesterday as well.
>
> Paul
> On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>
>> well between googling and my National Geo print book, I still come up with 
>> bittern for you guy...
>>
>> Note the shortness and color of legs
>>
>> .. Great blue's don't have yellow legs... and bittern's toupee could just be 
>> wind-blown
>>
>> Browsing google , one thing that came up was a spectacular shot of
>> a juvenile great blue which convinced me more your's is a bittern,
>> although I can certainly see why the confusion.
>> Fun to do this - its like we were out birding together :-)
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840/image/70910463
>>
>> ann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/2013 12:34, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of feathers 
>>> -- as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in flight. 
>>> I'm sure he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this was a 
>>> different bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on the 
>>> Audubon pages, I think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>>>
 I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul
 ann

 On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River feeder 
> stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I 
> followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that 
> appeared to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, 
> against a busy background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight 
> up and brown markings on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this 
> morning, I've come to the conclusion that they're one and the same. 
> Herons all have that crown of feathers, but this is the first time I've 
> seen them extended.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg
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Heron, Bittern, or ?

[Paul Stenquist]

I have one more shot of the mystery bird, but it's soft so I didn't include it 
in my earlier post. But it may help with identification. It's here:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486502&size=lg

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Re: PESO Birthday Grafitti

[Larry Colen]

On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 09:09:02AM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> Gerrit - I think the fisheye is a bit of overkill - the stuff you
> are shooting is fun and the brick around the door is nice, too -
> would like to see your straight shot(s?)

Ann,
Don't blame Gerrit for the fisheye, that was my photo.

Here is a straight shot of the door, in B&W:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9443077414/

The whole set is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157634934279093/

> 
> ann
> 
> On 8/5/2013 08:12, Gerrit Visser wrote:
> >Of the series, that one is the best. I'll bet she is happy not to be in the
> >shot however :-)
> >
> >Gerrit
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
> >Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:17 AM
> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >Subject: PESO Birthday Grafitti
> >
> >I went to a friend's birthday party today, and a couple of people grafittied
> >her front door with chalk.  I thought it worth a quick photographic attempt.
> >After a few tries with the 16-50, I realized that lens was too serious for
> >the subject matter, and grabbed my Korean fisheye:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9440293115/in/set-72157634934279093
> >
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Re: PESO: The Bread Line

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Don.

Grounds for Sculpture is a magical place because of the combination of
the art works and the magnificent landscaping.  It also happens to
have a great restaurant:
http://www.groundsforsculpture.org/RatsRestaurant/

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Nice rendering of great sculpture. If I ever I get within a 500 miles of
> that place I must go. Meanwhile your photos must suffice.
> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:24:52 -0400
>> From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: PESO: The Bread Line
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>>
>> Another from the Grounds for Sculpture:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17485539
>> Comments are invited.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Paul Stenquist]

Could be you're right, Ann. Although the brown markings on the neck of your 
juvenile heron are similar to those on the neck of my guy. It could be that the 
heron I shot in flight disappeared into the brush somewhere and this guy was a 
co-conspirator. BTW, this little stretch of wetland river is in a suburban 
area, across the street form office buildings, but I've shot numerous herons 
and egrets there. There are numerous lakes in the area, so it's not too 
surprising, but at a glance no one would mistake it for a bird sanctuary. Shot 
some kind of tern-looking thing there yesterday as well. 

Paul
On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> well between googling and my National Geo print book, I still come up with 
> bittern for you guy...
> 
> Note the shortness and color of legs
> 
> .. Great blue's don't have yellow legs... and bittern's toupee could just be 
> wind-blown
> 
> Browsing google , one thing that came up was a spectacular shot of
> a juvenile great blue which convinced me more your's is a bittern,
> although I can certainly see why the confusion.
> Fun to do this - its like we were out birding together :-)
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840/image/70910463
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/5/2013 12:34, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of feathers 
>> -- as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in flight. 
>> I'm sure he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this was a 
>> different bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on the 
>> Audubon pages, I think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul
>>> ann
>>> 
>>> On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River feeder 
 stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I 
 followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that 
 appeared to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, 
 against a busy background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight 
 up and brown markings on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this 
 morning, I've come to the conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons 
 all have that crown of feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them 
 extended.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg
 
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I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon

[Larry Colen]

There was a little street fair in Santa Cruz this weekend, and while
I was downtown I took a few minutes to peruse the booths.  There 
were a couple of photographers there selling prints. I didn't talk
to them, and can only assume that they've been selling at fairs long
enough to tune their inventory to what sells.  Based on that assumption,
if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I,
or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death.  

When I was in high school, the father of one of my best friends would 
sell his paintings at art shows.  He basically had three paintings
that he'd do, with minor variations on the boat, the dock, and maybe 
the sky. He found what sold, and that was what he painted.

I suspect that it would be educational sometime to print up a bunch 
of my photos, and set up a booth at a street fair sometime, just to 
see what photosi, if any, people liked well enough to spend money on. 

I'm sure that I would learn a lot from such a weekend. I just don't 
know whether I'd learn more about my photography, or the artistic
tastes of the American public.

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Re: Peso - Up, Up and away

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 8/5/2013 12:18, Don Guthrie wrote:

I like the composition. There is a sense she is hesitating before
stepping into the bright lights.

Maybe because she is on an escalator  actually


I have not even tried the new Smug Mug sandbox. I think I will wait for
you & George to look in the nooks & corners for me.


and I'm waiting for George and my friend Gary to get it down pat :-)

seriously, I've played but very little and not sure I want to change at 
all... MOst of the pages are too much IN YOUR FACE in their examples..

and I've got So many galleries - some I want to hide..

They are overwhelmed on the help desk - don't think I should migrate 
until about a month after the wedding I'm shooting (Aug 25) have so

much other work to do _before_ Aug 25th .  working on the site has
to be low priority - I dont' get paid for it.

ann




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http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Learning-the-K-5/30564911_mcsJ8s/1/2675444041_rBxT55v/Large


with the 28 - straight out of the can, as it were.

I think I have to leave stuff alone on Smugmug for a while
too many things that are critical right now to deal with

dentist on tuesday:(

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Re: PESO sunset planespotting

[Larry Colen]

Thanks Dan and Rick.  

In any set of photos, there will rarely be a unanimous favorite.
For that matter, with just about any artistic expression, the
stronger that some people will like something, the more that 
other people will dislike it, and often for the same reasons. 

Where one person will look at two photos and like the uncluttered 
photo of the airplane against the sky, and wonder why I even bothered
showing the photo with the cluttered distracting background, another
person will wonder why I bothered with the picture of just an airplane
with no context, and will really like the one that shows the hustle
and bustle of an active airport in the background.

I would much rather a photo evoke strong feelings of both love and
hate, rather than have it disappear without a ripple into a sea
of indifference.

On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 08:59:50AM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Airports by their very nature and design are cluttered.  I amire the
> way Larry handled that in his images.
> 
> Dan Matyola
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> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> > Larry, the SW 737s landing and taking off (top row center and bottom row 
> > center) are my favorites.  Some of the others are rather cluttered.
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Re: PESOs Juvenile Great Blue Heron

[Ann Sanfedele]

well between googling and my National Geo print book, I still come up 
with bittern for you guy...


Note the shortness and color of legs

.. Great blue's don't have yellow legs... and bittern's toupee could 
just be wind-blown


Browsing google , one thing that came up was a spectacular shot of
a juvenile great blue which convinced me more your's is a bittern,
although I can certainly see why the confusion.
Fun to do this - its like we were out birding together :-)

http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840/image/70910463

ann




On 8/5/2013 12:34, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A good guess, Ann, but the Bittern has brown wings and no crown of feathers -- 
as far as I can tell. And I did follow the bird that I shot in flight. I'm sure 
he landed in the water. I was convinced at first that this was a different 
bird, but after looking at some pics of juvenile herons on the Audubon pages, I 
think this is the same bird. Could b wrong of course.


On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


I think the second one is a Bittern, Paul
ann

On 8/5/2013 10:21, Paul Stenquist wrote:

This somewhat immature Heron was standing in a shallow Rouge River feeder 
stream in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. As I approached it took flight. I 
followed it downstream a couple hundred feet and saw another bird that appeared 
to be a different species standing on a log (unfortunately, against a busy 
background). He had a crown of feathers standing straight up and brown markings 
on his neck. After studying the Audubon guide this morning, I've come to the 
conclusion that they're one and the same. Herons all have that crown of 
feathers, but this is the first time I've seen them extended.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486421&size=lg

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17486422&size=lg



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Re: PESO sunset planespotting

[Larry Colen]

Thanks Cotty.

On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 03:27:18PM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> Actually, I really love this one:
> 
> 
> 
> Very evocative of warm summer evenings, going away somewhere on a red-
> eye overnight service, the smell of aviation fuel in the nostrils,
> amazing sights as you lift into the sly with a million twinkling lights
> below, a sight that always surprises and pleases.
> 
> Love it!
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> Cheers,
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Re:PESO: The Bread Line

[Don Guthrie]

Nice rendering of great sculpture. If I ever I get within a 500 miles of 
that place I must go. Meanwhile your photos must suffice.

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Another from the Grounds for Sculpture:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17485539
Comments are invited.

Dan Matyola
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Re: some Lightroom 5 play

[Don Guthrie]

I used LR5 on my threshing set but only standard things so I have not 
checked out some of the new features.


I think the vignetting works on all but #7. Liked the whole set with 
2,5,8 as my favs. Great to have you back posting your work & your comments.


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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 12:49:41 -0500
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Hi Everyone:

A few weeks ago, I finally upgraded to Lightroom 5 and spent some time watching 
Julian Kost's  tutorial videos, which I think are done very well.


  I took a few minutes here to play with the Upright/Perspective Tool 
and the Radial Filter and thought I'd share.   Has anyone else tried 
these tools?  Do you like them?


 What are the general impressions of Lightroom 5?


Cheers, Christine

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